Guest guest Posted March 14, 2001 Report Share Posted March 14, 2001 Namaste Visti and thank you for your reply... let me go one step furter so I can gain clarity. As I ponder this subject on dasa timing and effects let me be sure I understand the rules to apply-I then can "shade" the rules with other influences e.g. rasi and Graha dristi, Sahams, etc. 1. Lets say I am in the dasa and antar dasa of Sani : a. it runs for 3yrs and 3 days ( One rule that Robert Koch informed me about and I am not apply for this example to keep the conversation simple is: " According to many scholars (and experience) the first sub-period does not give the dasa-phala") b. Sani resides 16D 07min Vi or has traveled 54% of the bhava. c. Because it resides in the middle of the bhava, it's ( max.) effects for this sub-dasha period should happen during the middle of the dasa? QUESTION: - this means in the middle of the Antar dasa period, correct? so in this case in the middle of the the 3 yrs 3 days or 1 yr 1.5 days or more specifically it would be 54% X 3 yrs or 1.62 yrs. - Assumption: the effects would build (or crescendo if you will) amd be at its maximum at 1.62 years , so the influence for this sub-dasa would be a bell shaped curve of influence - gradually rising till its peak at 1.62 years then subsiding. 2. Testing my understanding on the next period: Sani-Buddhi is next dasa -antar dasa. it runs for 2 yr. 8 mo. and 9 days or 2.68 yrs. Question: When does max influence happen? Sani's longitudinal position in Virgo suggest the middle of the dasa period in question, yet Buddhi resides at 28Degrees 32 Min Cn , the last 1/3rd ( Drekkna) of the Bhava. How do you blend the max timing of the two influences together? does one dominate over the other? MORE IMPORTANTLY - am I thinking correctly about this subject? is there a different direction I should be takingin my thinking on this ? Pranam, Frank In Austin/ fschmidt I've been experimenting with this technique, and i can tell you that its for all levels of Dasa's. But one must keep very close scrutiny. 1. The position of the Graha will bring its effects in the various Drekkanas of a sign. 2. This applies to all levels of Dasa. You must also keep planets that aspect in mind, as their drekkana position will also have influence. i.e. if Venus aspects the Maha Dasa lord, and is potent to bring an event, it will manifest in the drekkana position of Venus, not the Maha Dasa lord, yet will happen in the same Maha Dasa. I was about to give some predictions using my chart which seems to work well with Vimshottari Dasa, but decided to experiment with some variations at the time, to see if they also could explain it. Also check out the Lessons, the one on Vimshottari Dasa should be interesting in this regard. Best wishes, Visti.OM TAT SATArchive: varahamihiraInfo: varahamihira/info.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 14, 2001 Report Share Posted March 14, 2001 Just a thought - I wonder whether the dictum that a graha does not give results in its own subperiod comes from the observation that 2/3 times the graha is not in the first drekkana. As a result, the first sub-period belonging to that dasa does not fall within the period of strongest influence and therefore may not give the results. If this is the case, then grahas in the first drekkana MAY give their results during their own sub-periods too. Another thought - has anyone tested the proportion of the sign passed and its correlation with dasa events? The drekkana method seems to imply this. If this is tested, especially in the sub-sub-periods, it may produce very exact times. I just checked a critical date for me - 17th/18th of September 1999 when I had an emergency op. Saturn-Venus-Moon was running and moon is on the 8th house cusp right at the end of the sign and rules the 2nd, conjoined with rahu - good maraka qualifications. The dasa changed to Sat-Ven-Mars just the next day or so. Mars is in the 12th and the operation fits in well there too - however it is the very last part of the sign and should have instigated it towards the end of its period. Venus is in the first drekkana, and rules the 12th - this happened in the first part of venus' sub period. Saturn is at the very last of the sign and therefore should have given its results in the last 1/3rd. - Frank in Austin varahamihira Wednesday, March 14, 2001 8:55 PM RE: [Jaya Jagannath] Dasa effects Namaste Visti and thank you for your reply... let me go one step furter so I can gain clarity. As I ponder this subject on dasa timing and effects let me be sure I understand the rules to apply-I then can "shade" the rules with other influences e.g. rasi and Graha dristi, Sahams, etc. 1. Lets say I am in the dasa and antar dasa of Sani : a. it runs for 3yrs and 3 days ( One rule that Robert Koch informed me about and I am not apply for this example to keep the conversation simple is: " According to many scholars (and experience) the first sub-period does not give the dasa-phala") b. Sani resides 16D 07min Vi or has traveled 54% of the bhava. c. Because it resides in the middle of the bhava, it's ( max.) effects for this sub-dasha period should happen during the middle of the dasa? QUESTION: - this means in the middle of the Antar dasa period, correct? so in this case in the middle of the the 3 yrs 3 days or 1 yr 1.5 days or more specifically it would be 54% X 3 yrs or 1.62 yrs. - Assumption: the effects would build (or crescendo if you will) amd be at its maximum at 1.62 years , so the influence for this sub-dasa would be a bell shaped curve of influence - gradually rising till its peak at 1.62 years then subsiding. 2. Testing my understanding on the next period: Sani-Buddhi is next dasa -antar dasa. it runs for 2 yr. 8 mo. and 9 days or 2.68 yrs. Question: When does max influence happen? Sani's longitudinal position in Virgo suggest the middle of the dasa period in question, yet Buddhi resides at 28Degrees 32 Min Cn , the last 1/3rd ( Drekkna) of the Bhava. How do you blend the max timing of the two influences together? does one dominate over the other? MORE IMPORTANTLY - am I thinking correctly about this subject? is there a different direction I should be takingin my thinking on this ? Pranam, Frank In Austin/ fschmidt I've been experimenting with this technique, and i can tell you that its for all levels of Dasa's. But one must keep very close scrutiny. 1. The position of the Graha will bring its effects in the various Drekkanas of a sign. 2. This applies to all levels of Dasa. You must also keep planets that aspect in mind, as their drekkana position will also have influence. i.e. if Venus aspects the Maha Dasa lord, and is potent to bring an event, it will manifest in the drekkana position of Venus, not the Maha Dasa lord, yet will happen in the same Maha Dasa. I was about to give some predictions using my chart which seems to work well with Vimshottari Dasa, but decided to experiment with some variations at the time, to see if they also could explain it. Also check out the Lessons, the one on Vimshottari Dasa should be interesting in this regard. Best wishes, Visti.OM TAT SATArchive: varahamihiraInfo: varahamihira/info.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 15, 2001 Report Share Posted March 15, 2001 Dear Frank, I think you got that mantra wrong. I think it is from one of the Jyotish texts, but cannot recall exactly which one. It should read Bhoota instead of Bhoodha. Ganadhi-sevitam Kapittha-Phala-sara Bhaakshanam (eating) .... Drekkana phala of the dasa planet needs to be considered with the nature of the planet as well. sazturn and Moon give good results in the last drekkana, Sun & Mars in the begining and Jupiter and Venus in the middle. Mercury at all times. Now what do we mean that aplanet gives its results in the middle or last part of its dasa? Who then gives the results in the begining or other parts? Here we need to understand the concept of tri-bhagi-phala. This concept is also used in the Rasi dasa where the dasa sign shall give its results based on the nature of the sign it is placed in. In this case the other results are of (a) planets placed in its sign and (b) planets aspecting it. thus if a planet is placed in the first drekkana then its results of placement and aspect shall be felt in the begining of the dasa; thereafter aspect of benefics and then the aspect of malefics and finally the results iof disposition of planets in its sign depending on whether the sign is malefic or benefic. Best wishes Sanjay Rath - Frank in Austin <fschmidt <varahamihira > Monday, March 12, 2001 1:02 AM [Jaya Jagannath] Dasa effects > Om Gajaananam bhoodha ghanaathi sevitham > kabhitha jamboo palasara pakshitham > umaasutham sokha vinaasakaranam > namaami vigneswara paadha pankajam > > Namaste, > Regarding Dasa systems - > BPHS calls out in Chapt 49 the effects of the dasa. The > commentary on consequentual effects of the Grahas be felt in > 3 different segments of the dasa: > 1. Grahas positioned 0 to 10 degeees - the effects will be > considerd in the first part of the dasa. > 2. 10 to 20 degress , the second or middle of the dasa > 3. 20 to 30 degees, the last part of the dasa. > > A few questions: > a. I will assume the Graha being considered is the ruling > Graha of the Maha dasa, correct? > b. Or do we need to consider the other Graha's positions in > a sign ( 0 to 10, 10 to 20 and 20 -30 degrees) to determine > their affects during the Antar dasa periods? > c. If the Graha in question has a Bhava position of 15 > degree, what then is the influence for the first part of the > dasa period; in other words , if the Graha's main influence > does not commence until the middle of the dasa period, what > is influencing > the first ( 1/3rd) part of the dasa period? > > Pls. advise... > Pranams, > > Frank In Austin > / fschmidt > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 16, 2001 Report Share Posted March 16, 2001 This is the opening shlok of BPHS. Sanjay, you can transliterate better than I but Frank's version is closer to the devanagari. Jaya Jagannatha, Steve --- Sanjay Rath <srath wrote: > Dear Frank, > I think you got that mantra wrong. I think it is > from one of the Jyotish > texts, but cannot recall exactly which one. > It should read Bhoota instead of Bhoodha. > Ganadhi-sevitam > Kapittha-Phala-sara Bhaakshanam (eating) > ... > Drekkana phala of the dasa planet needs to be > considered with the nature of > the planet as well. sazturn and Moon give good > results in the last drekkana, > Sun & Mars in the begining and Jupiter and Venus in > the middle. Mercury at > all times. Now what do we mean that aplanet gives > its results in the middle > or last part of its dasa? Who then gives the results > in the begining or > other parts? > > Here we need to understand the concept of > tri-bhagi-phala. This concept is > also used in the Rasi dasa where the dasa sign shall > give its results based > on the nature of the sign it is placed in. In this > case the other results > are of (a) planets placed in its sign and (b) > planets aspecting it. thus if > a planet is placed in the first drekkana then its > results of placement and > aspect shall be felt in the begining of the dasa; > thereafter aspect of > benefics and then the aspect of malefics and finally > the results iof > disposition of planets in its sign depending on > whether the sign is malefic > or benefic. > > Best wishes > Sanjay Rath > - > Frank in Austin <fschmidt > <varahamihira > > Monday, March 12, 2001 1:02 AM > [Jaya Jagannath] Dasa effects > > > > Om Gajaananam bhoodha ghanaathi sevitham > > kabhitha jamboo palasara pakshitham > > umaasutham sokha vinaasakaranam > > namaami vigneswara paadha pankajam > > > > Namaste, > > Regarding Dasa systems - > > BPHS calls out in Chapt 49 the effects of the > dasa. The > > commentary on consequentual effects of the Grahas > be felt in > > 3 different segments of the dasa: > > 1. Grahas positioned 0 to 10 degeees - the > effects will be > > considerd in the first part of the dasa. > > 2. 10 to 20 degress , the second or middle of the > dasa > > 3. 20 to 30 degees, the last part of the dasa. > > > > A few questions: > > a. I will assume the Graha being considered is the > ruling > > Graha of the Maha dasa, correct? > > b. Or do we need to consider the other Graha's > positions in > > a sign ( 0 to 10, 10 to 20 and 20 -30 degrees) to > determine > > their affects during the Antar dasa periods? > > c. If the Graha in question has a Bhava position > of 15 > > degree, what then is the influence for the first > part of the > > dasa period; in other words , if the Graha's main > influence > > does not commence until the middle of the dasa > period, what > > is influencing > > the first ( 1/3rd) part of the dasa period? > > > > Pls. advise... > > Pranams, > > > > Frank In Austin > > / fschmidt > > > > > > > > > > Get email at your own domain with Mail. http://personal.mail./ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 18, 2001 Report Share Posted March 18, 2001 Om Gurave NamahDear Stephen, This is not the opening sloka of BPHS. Santanam has inserted this on his own thereby corrupting the original as everybody now thinks that this is a part of the original BPHS. In fact this is the prayer in Suka Nadi. Best Wishes Sanjay Rath - Stephen K. Sufian varahamihira Friday, March 16, 2001 5:27 PM Re: [Jaya Jagannath] Dasa effects This is the opening shlok of BPHS. Sanjay, you cantransliterate better than I but Frank's version iscloser to the devanagari.Jaya Jagannatha,Steve--- Sanjay Rath <srath wrote:> Dear Frank,> I think you got that mantra wrong. I think it is> from one of the Jyotish> texts, but cannot recall exactly which one.> It should read Bhoota instead of Bhoodha.> Ganadhi-sevitam> Kapittha-Phala-sara Bhaakshanam (eating)> ...> Drekkana phala of the dasa planet needs to be> considered with the nature of> the planet as well. sazturn and Moon give good> results in the last drekkana,> Sun & Mars in the begining and Jupiter and Venus in> the middle. Mercury at> all times. Now what do we mean that aplanet gives> its results in the middle> or last part of its dasa? Who then gives the results> in the begining or> other parts?> > Here we need to understand the concept of> tri-bhagi-phala. This concept is> also used in the Rasi dasa where the dasa sign shall> give its results based> on the nature of the sign it is placed in. In this> case the other results> are of (a) planets placed in its sign and (b)> planets aspecting it. thus if> a planet is placed in the first drekkana then its> results of placement and> aspect shall be felt in the begining of the dasa;> thereafter aspect of> benefics and then the aspect of malefics and finally> the results iof> disposition of planets in its sign depending on> whether the sign is malefic> or benefic.> > Best wishes> Sanjay Rath> -> Frank in Austin <fschmidt> <varahamihira >> Monday, March 12, 2001 1:02 AM> [Jaya Jagannath] Dasa effects> > > > Om Gajaananam bhoodha ghanaathi sevitham> > kabhitha jamboo palasara pakshitham> > umaasutham sokha vinaasakaranam> > namaami vigneswara paadha pankajam> >> > Namaste,> > Regarding Dasa systems -> > BPHS calls out in Chapt 49 the effects of the> dasa. The> > commentary on consequentual effects of the Grahas> be felt in> > 3 different segments of the dasa:> > 1. Grahas positioned 0 to 10 degeees - the> effects will be> > considerd in the first part of the dasa.> > 2. 10 to 20 degress , the second or middle of the> dasa> > 3. 20 to 30 degees, the last part of the dasa.> >> > A few questions:> > a. I will assume the Graha being considered is the> ruling> > Graha of the Maha dasa, correct?> > b. Or do we need to consider the other Graha's> positions in> > a sign ( 0 to 10, 10 to 20 and 20 -30 degrees) to> determine> > their affects during the Antar dasa periods?> > c. If the Graha in question has a Bhava position> of 15> > degree, what then is the influence for the first> part of the> > dasa period; in other words , if the Graha's main> influence> > does not commence until the middle of the dasa> period, what> > is influencing> > the first ( 1/3rd) part of the dasa period?> >> > Pls. advise...> > Pranams,> >> > Frank In Austin> > / fschmidt >> >> >> >> > Get email at your own domain with Mail. http://personal.mail./OM TAT SATArchive: varahamihiraInfo: varahamihira/info.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 18, 2001 Report Share Posted March 18, 2001 Thanks, Sanjay, By the way, my comment about accuracy didn't refer to the word " bhakshitam " . The devanagari certainly supports your interpretation rather than Frank's. But you left out the word " Jambu " prior to phala. Wherever the prayer is from, it's certainly a nice invocation. Do you have another one you prefer? Steve --- Sanjay Rath <srath wrote: > > Om Gurave Namah > Dear Stephen, > This is not the opening sloka of BPHS. Santanam has > inserted this on his own thereby corrupting the > original as everybody now thinks that this is a part > of the original BPHS. In fact this is the prayer in > Suka Nadi. > Best Wishes > Sanjay Rath > - > Stephen K. Sufian > varahamihira > Friday, March 16, 2001 5:27 PM > Re: [Jaya Jagannath] Dasa effects > > > This is the opening shlok of BPHS. Sanjay, you can > transliterate better than I but Frank's version is > closer to the devanagari. > Jaya Jagannatha, > Steve > --- Sanjay Rath <srath wrote: > > Dear Frank, > > I think you got that mantra wrong. I think it is > > from one of the Jyotish > > texts, but cannot recall exactly which one. > > It should read Bhoota instead of Bhoodha. > > Ganadhi-sevitam > > Kapittha-Phala-sara Bhaakshanam (eating) > > ... > > Drekkana phala of the dasa planet needs to be > > considered with the nature of > > the planet as well. sazturn and Moon give good > > results in the last drekkana, > > Sun & Mars in the begining and Jupiter and Venus > in > > the middle. Mercury at > > all times. Now what do we mean that aplanet gives > > its results in the middle > > or last part of its dasa? Who then gives the > results > > in the begining or > > other parts? > > > > Here we need to understand the concept of > > tri-bhagi-phala. This concept is > > also used in the Rasi dasa where the dasa sign > shall > > give its results based > > on the nature of the sign it is placed in. In this > > case the other results > > are of (a) planets placed in its sign and (b) > > planets aspecting it. thus if > > a planet is placed in the first drekkana then its > > results of placement and > > aspect shall be felt in the begining of the dasa; > > thereafter aspect of > > benefics and then the aspect of malefics and > finally > > the results iof > > disposition of planets in its sign depending on > > whether the sign is malefic > > or benefic. > > > > Best wishes > > Sanjay Rath > > - > > Frank in Austin <fschmidt > > <varahamihira > > > Monday, March 12, 2001 1:02 AM > > [Jaya Jagannath] Dasa effects > > > > > > > Om Gajaananam bhoodha ghanaathi sevitham > > > kabhitha jamboo palasara pakshitham > > > umaasutham sokha vinaasakaranam > > > namaami vigneswara paadha pankajam > > > > > > Namaste, > > > Regarding Dasa systems - > > > BPHS calls out in Chapt 49 the effects of the > > dasa. The > > > commentary on consequentual effects of the > Grahas > > be felt in > > > 3 different segments of the dasa: > > > 1. Grahas positioned 0 to 10 degeees - the > > effects will be > > > considerd in the first part of the dasa. > > > 2. 10 to 20 degress , the second or middle of > the > > dasa > > > 3. 20 to 30 degees, the last part of the dasa. > > > > > > A few questions: > > > a. I will assume the Graha being considered is > the > > ruling > > > Graha of the Maha dasa, correct? > > > b. Or do we need to consider the other Graha's > > positions in > > > a sign ( 0 to 10, 10 to 20 and 20 -30 degrees) > to > > determine > > > their affects during the Antar dasa periods? > > > c. If the Graha in question has a Bhava position > > of 15 > > > degree, what then is the influence for the first > > part of the > > > dasa period; in other words , if the Graha's > main > > influence > > > does not commence until the middle of the dasa > > period, what > > > is influencing > > > the first ( 1/3rd) part of the dasa period? > > > > > > Pls. advise... > > > Pranams, > > > > > > Frank In Austin > > > / fschmidt > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Get email at your own domain with Mail. > http://personal.mail./ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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