Guest guest Posted February 23, 2001 Report Share Posted February 23, 2001 Dear Frank, Namaste. Both are correct, but one is on the Vaikuntha-Avatar level, while the other is on the Devata level, which is lower. You can also link the 10 Sikh Gurus or the Deities of Christianity, as the planets will describe all this. Parasara also gives the same list for demigods, but he says that the Grahas are the incarnations if the Dasavatar, while the demigods are represented by the Grahas. So the topmost level is the Avatars, the the Devatas and then comes the personalities of the planets like Sukracharya, Brihaspati, Sanaischarya, etc. who are also distinct persons. I hope this helps. Yours, Gauranga Das Vedic Astrologer <gauranga Jyotish Remedies: WWW.BRIHASPATI.NET Phone:+36-309-140-839 -----Eredeti üzenet----- Feladó: Frank in Austin Címzett: varahamihira Elküldve: 2001. február 23. 2:12 Tárgy: [Jaya Jagannath] Graha's Dasavatar aadityaaya somaaya mangalaaya budhaaya cha guru shukra shanibhyashcha raahaveketave namah Namaste , Can someone spend a few minutes and explain why some see the following relationships for the Graha'sas compared to Maharishi Parasara's list below - why the differences? Sun: Lord Siva Moon: Goddess Parvathi Mars: Lord Karthikeya (Subramanya) Mercury: MahaVishnu Jupiter: Lord Dakshinamurthi Venus: Mahalakshmi Saturn: Lord Yama Rahu: Goddess Durga Kethu: Lord Ganesa or Indra Maharishi Parasara names the following: Surya - Sri Rama Chandra - Sri Krisna Mangala - Sri Narasimha Buddhi - Sri Buddha Guru - Sri Vamama Sukra - Sri Parasurama Sani - Sri Koorma Rahi - Sri Varaha Ketui - Sri Matsya Frank In Austin/ fschmidt OM TAT SATArchive: varahamihiraInfo: varahamihira/info.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 23, 2001 Report Share Posted February 23, 2001 JAYA JAGANNATHA! Dear Visti, Namaste. Dear Frank, Namaste. 1. The deities (i.e. lord Siva, Vishnu, Yama etc.) aren't Dasaavatars. Dasaavatars are said to be incarnations of Vishnu, and are physical beings, that have been born on this earth. I isagree with this statement. Please refer to Bhagavad-gita 4.6: ajo'pi sann avyayaatmaa bhuutaanaam ishvaro'pi san prakritim svaam adhisthaayaa sambhavaamy aatma-maayayaa Translation by Srila Prabhupada: "Although I am unborn and My transcendental body never deteriorates, and although I am the lord of all living entities, I still appear in every millenium in My original transcendental form". So as Krishna is the source of the Avataars, they are also situated transcendentally, even though appearing in this world." Also Bg. 9.11: avajaananti maam muudhaa maanusim tanum aasritam param bhaavam ajananto mama bhuuta-maheshvaram "Fools deride me when I descend in the human form. They do not know My transcendental nature as the Supreme Lord of all that be." So the bodies of the Avataars should eb accepted as transcendental and eternal as per the Bghagavad-gita. I also noticed such a quotation in Gurudeva's book Vedic Remeides. It's in the footnote on page 92.: " Sri Guru Brihaspati chided Indra fro his foolish act and for not being able to recognize Narayana in the physical form of Krishna . . ." As per the above shlokas from the Gita my understanding is that Krishna's for mis eternally transcendental. Mya I ask You Gurudeva to clarify this statement? Your shishya, Gauranga Das Vedic Astrologer <gauranga Jyotish Remedies: WWW.BRIHASPATI.NET Phone:+36-309-140-839 2. Parasara was clearly a Vaisnava as he states to worship the Avatara of Vishnu, whereas the Deity list is for the general population. If one had given a list of the grahas compared to the Avataras of Durga, or the Christian deities, then you might not have been thinking in these terms. Sidenotes. Bellow it states that Mercury is MahaVishnu, however MahaVishnu is usually compared to Narayan or Vasudevaya, so it should only read Vishnu, and MahaLakshmi should also only read Lakshmi as MahaLakshmi is Shakti the female incarnation of Narayan. Further, Jupiter is Indra, and Saturn is Brahma. Ultimately the list seems to be constricted to ones faith, yet the energies are the same. I've heard that Prasna Marga has an elaborate list of deities, but i won't comment on that as i'm not in possession of it. Best wishes, Visti. Sun: Lord Siva Moon: Goddess Parvathi Mars: Lord Karthikeya (Subramanya) Mercury: MahaVishnu Jupiter: Lord Dakshinamurthi Venus: Mahalakshmi Saturn: Lord Yama Rahu: Goddess Durga Kethu: Lord Ganesa or Indra Maharishi Parasara names the following: Surya - Sri Rama Chandra - Sri Krisna Mangala - Sri Narasimha Buddhi - Sri Buddha Guru - Sri Vamama Sukra - Sri Parasurama Sani - Sri Koorma Rahi - Sri Varaha Ketui - Sri Matsya OM TAT SATArchive: varahamihiraInfo: varahamihira/info.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 24, 2001 Report Share Posted February 24, 2001 Visti, If memory serves, in the remedial measures section of BPHS, the deities to seek relief of planetary affliction during certain periods are extremely varied and they are not the avatars. However, I do concede that at the beginning of BPHS, Parasara does invoke the blessings of Mahavishnu. Gary Gomes - Visti Larsen varahamihira Friday, February 23, 2001 4:45 AM Sv: [Jaya Jagannath] Graha's Dasavatar Dear Frank, Namaste. 1. The deities (i.e. lord Siva, Vishnu, Yama etc.) aren't Dasaavatars. Dasaavatars are said to be incarnations of Vishnu, and are physical beings, that have been born on this earth. 2. Parasara was clearly a Vaisnava as he states to worship the Avatara of Vishnu, whereas the Deity list is for the general population. If one had given a list of the grahas compared to the Avataras of Durga, or the Christian deities, then you might not have been thinking in these terms. Sidenotes. Bellow it states that Mercury is MahaVishnu, however MahaVishnu is usually compared to Narayan or Vasudevaya, so it should only read Vishnu, and MahaLakshmi should also only read Lakshmi as MahaLakshmi is Shakti the female incarnation of Narayan. Further, Jupiter is Indra, and Saturn is Brahma. Ultimately the list seems to be constricted to ones faith, yet the energies are the same. I've heard that Prasna Marga has an elaborate list of deities, but i won't comment on that as i'm not in possession of it. Best wishes, Visti. Sun: Lord Siva Moon: Goddess Parvathi Mars: Lord Karthikeya (Subramanya) Mercury: MahaVishnu Jupiter: Lord Dakshinamurthi Venus: Mahalakshmi Saturn: Lord Yama Rahu: Goddess Durga Kethu: Lord Ganesa or Indra Maharishi Parasara names the following: Surya - Sri Rama Chandra - Sri Krisna Mangala - Sri Narasimha Buddhi - Sri Buddha Guru - Sri Vamama Sukra - Sri Parasurama Sani - Sri Koorma Rahi - Sri Varaha Ketui - Sri Matsya OM TAT SATArchive: varahamihiraInfo: varahamihira/info.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 25, 2001 Report Share Posted February 25, 2001 Frank, The list of deities from Parasara is a representation of the planets through the avataras. The other list is simply from other traditions (probably the Smartist tradition established by Shankara.) Within their frame of reference, they probably both work well. (My bias--not meant to offend any of my Vaishnava friends!) Gary Gomes - Frank in Austin varahamihira Thursday, February 22, 2001 5:12 PM [Jaya Jagannath] Graha's Dasavatar aadityaaya somaaya mangalaaya budhaaya cha guru shukra shanibhyashcha raahaveketave namah Namaste , Can someone spend a few minutes and explain why some see the following relationships for the Graha'sas compared to Maharishi Parasara's list below - why the differences? Sun: Lord Siva Moon: Goddess Parvathi Mars: Lord Karthikeya (Subramanya) Mercury: MahaVishnu Jupiter: Lord Dakshinamurthi Venus: Mahalakshmi Saturn: Lord Yama Rahu: Goddess Durga Kethu: Lord Ganesa or Indra Maharishi Parasara names the following: Surya - Sri Rama Chandra - Sri Krisna Mangala - Sri Narasimha Buddhi - Sri Buddha Guru - Sri Vamama Sukra - Sri Parasurama Sani - Sri Koorma Rahi - Sri Varaha Ketui - Sri Matsya Frank In Austin/ fschmidt OM TAT SATArchive: varahamihiraInfo: varahamihira/info.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 25, 2001 Report Share Posted February 25, 2001 Aadityaaya somaaya mangalaaya budhaaya cha guru shukra shanibhyashcha raahaveketave namah Namaste and thank you all for your feedback on this... It would be of great intert to compare the following: Graha Dasavatar Other Deva/Divi Nature and power Simularities/Difference/Conclusions Surya/Ravi Sri Rama Sri Siva Chandra - Sri Krisna Goddess Parvathi Mangala - Sri Narasimha- Lord Karthikeya (Subramanya) Buddhi - Sri Buddha Sri Vishni Guru - Sri Vamama Lord Dakshinamurthi Sukra - Sri Parasurama Lakshmi Devi Sani - Sri Koorma Lord Yama ( Brahma?) Rahu - Sri Varaha Goddess Durga Ketu - Sri Matsya Sri Ganesha ( Vignaraja) Thoughts here? Crystal Expectations [crystalx]Sunday, February 25, 2001 1:36 PMvarahamihira Subject: Re: [Jaya Jagannath] Graha's Dasavatar Frank, The list of deities from Parasara is a representation of the planets through the avataras. The other list is simply from other traditions (probably the Smartist tradition established by Shankara.) Within their frame of reference, they probably both work well. (My bias--not meant to offend any of my Vaishnava friends!) Gary Gomes - Frank in Austin varahamihira Thursday, February 22, 2001 5:12 PM [Jaya Jagannath] Graha's Dasavatar aadityaaya somaaya mangalaaya budhaaya cha guru shukra shanibhyashcha raahaveketave namah Namaste , Can someone spend a few minutes and explain why some see the following relationships for the Graha'sas compared to Maharishi Parasara's list below - why the differences? Sun: Lord Siva Moon: Goddess Parvathi Mars: Lord Karthikeya (Subramanya) Mercury: MahaVishnu Jupiter: Lord Dakshinamurthi Venus: Mahalakshmi Saturn: Lord Yama Rahu: Goddess Durga Kethu: Lord Ganesa or Indra Maharishi Parasara names the following: Surya - Sri Rama Chandra - Sri Krisna Mangala - Sri Narasimha Buddhi - Sri Buddha Guru - Sri Vamama Sukra - Sri Parasurama Sani - Sri Koorma Rahi - Sri Varaha Ketui - Sri Matsya Frank In Austin/ fschmidt OM TAT SATArchive: varahamihiraInfo: varahamihira/info.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 25, 2001 Report Share Posted February 25, 2001 ( Spelling correction req'd, excuse the 2nd email transmission ) Aadityaaya somaaya mangalaaya budhaaya cha guru shukra shanibhyashcha raahaveketave namah Namaste and thank you all for your feedback on this... It would be of great interest to compare the following: Graha Dasavatar Other Deva/Divi Nature Simularities/Difference/Conclusions Surya/Ravi Sri Rama Sri Siva Chandra - Sri Krisna Goddess Parvathi Mangala - Sri Narasimha- Lord Karthikeya (Subramanya) Buddhi - Sri Buddha Sri Vishni Guru - Sri Vamama Lord Dakshinamurthi Sukra - Sri Parasurama Lakshmi Devi Sani - Sri Koorma Lord Yama ( Brahma?) Rahu - Sri Varaha Goddess Durga Ketu - Sri Matsya Sri Ganesha ( Vignaraja) Thoughts here? Crystal Expectations [crystalx]Sunday, February 25, 2001 1:36 PMvarahamihira Subject: Re: [Jaya Jagannath] Graha's Dasavatar Frank, The list of deities from Parasara is a representation of the planets through the avataras. The other list is simply from other traditions (probably the Smartist tradition established by Shankara.) Within their frame of reference, they probably both work well. (My bias--not meant to offend any of my Vaishnava friends!) Gary Gomes - Frank in Austin varahamihira Thursday, February 22, 2001 5:12 PM [Jaya Jagannath] Graha's Dasavatar aadityaaya somaaya mangalaaya budhaaya cha guru shukra shanibhyashcha raahaveketave namah Namaste , Can someone spend a few minutes and explain why some see the following relationships for the Graha'sas compared to Maharishi Parasara's list below - why the differences? Sun: Lord Siva Moon: Goddess Parvathi Mars: Lord Karthikeya (Subramanya) Mercury: MahaVishnu Jupiter: Lord Dakshinamurthi Venus: Mahalakshmi Saturn: Lord Yama Rahu: Goddess Durga Kethu: Lord Ganesa or Indra Maharishi Parasara names the following: Surya - Sri Rama Chandra - Sri Krisna Mangala - Sri Narasimha Buddhi - Sri Buddha Guru - Sri Vamama Sukra - Sri Parasurama Sani - Sri Koorma Rahi - Sri Varaha Ketui - Sri Matsya Frank In Austin/ fschmidt OM TAT SATArchive: varahamihiraInfo: varahamihira/info.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 26, 2001 Report Share Posted February 26, 2001 Jaya Jagannath Dear Frank, In a letter that I cc'ed to this list yeastereday on the KSY, i had mentioned about worshipping a form of Vishnu if the natural benefic is in Lagna and Shiva if in the seventh house..this is only a corollary to the rule of the Ista devata. The Ista is seen from the Navamsa. Nav means nine and the ninth house is a house connected with Dharma and Vishnu. For example if lagna lord is in the ninth house then we see a Vaishnava. Now the Atmakaraka is like the Sun and the sugnificator of the ninth house. In the navamsa the 12th from the Karakamsa should be associated with the Ista devata and this has to be a form of Vishnu.. see the links. Take the case of Jupiter as a Graha. You can recite the Graha Mantra. Now, if you want to be a preist (Livelihood-Amatyakaraka Yoga), then the ideal should be Brihaspati (Bhagavat Gita) and so, recite the Brihaspati Gayatri . If you want the knowledge of the tradition then worshipping Dattatreya, the snakes of ignorance will go and knowledge of all the scriptures will be yours. This is the Trimurti Rupa and symbolises AUM. If you want the knowledge of the occult and the deepest secrets of any vidya (including te Dasa Mahavidya) then worship Dakshinamurti. But if you want to be a perfect person (Perfection is akin to divinity) then recite the Dharma Gayatri of Vamana Avatar. Trinipada Vichakrame Vishnurgopa-adabhya Atho Dharmani dharayan..(rig Ved) What do you want? I hail from Puri and consider people who say you are Vaishnava and I am shaivaite to be very very ignorant fools just like the followers of Ramanuja who had come to change the tradition of Puri but were thrown out over a thousand miles in one night during their sleep! Here Jagannath and Lokanath live in perfect harmony looking after the world. We know that in every being be he a claimant of Christianity, Islam or any other faith in any form or manner, there resides in his heart our " Common " God Jagannath (Vishnu) and in his mind like the cresent moon, sits Lokanath (Shiva) his Guru, intellect and guide. We also know that for some the head shall rule over the heart (Shaivaite claims) and for others the heart rules over the head (Vaishnava claims). But fortunate are those who shall have a clear head and a clean heart with both working towards a common goal. So, Frank, we clean our hearts by saying OM NAMO NARAYANAYA and clear our heads by saying OM NAMAH SHIVAYA and there is peace in our mind and happiness in our heart. May this also become your path and you love every atom of His creation realising that He resides everywhere. The forms of deities are for our minds that does not stop to reason. It is in the mind that the man works with these mantra. It is in these various forms that we alleviate our sufferings as we start worshipping them and gradually start liking, loving and adoring the deities..so also the Grahas associated with the deities become neutral, freindly and protective in that order. The deities of the Graha's (List-2) are to be worshipped when associated with the Devatakaraka as they become the Guru Rupa and shall guide the intellect like Shiva sitting in our heads. Thus List-1 associates with the AK while List-2 should associate with the AmK or BK or other grahas in the Rasi and other charts. Another important point for Visti. I read that he claims that Parasara was a Vaishnava because of that list-1. This is ridiculous. everybody knows that PARASARA WAS AMONG THE FOREMOST WORSHIPPERS OF SHIVA. In fact so strong was His tapasya that Shiva had to be born (if I can use that term) as His son in the form of Sri Veda Vyasa. Vyasa deva the Greatest exponent of this Dharma has a similar beejakshara as that of Mritunjaya. OM HOUM JUM SAH VYAM VYASADEVAYA NAMAH ... This beejakshara HOUM & JUM are Sadashiva and Mritunjaya Beeja respectively and the deity is associated with the NEELA PADMA..read more from the site www.sjvc.net under Mritunjaya Mantra. the problem I see is that inspite of everybody reading the matter in the lessons and the web few are really thinking. Think..you must think hard and try to reason out things in your mind till perfect clarity is achieved. And when this happens, thank Shiva. Jaya Jaya Karunabdhe Sri Mahadeva Sambhu.... With best wishes Sanjay Rath PS Do read the Vedic remedies in Astrology thoroughly. - Frank in Austin <fschmidt <varahamihira > Monday, February 26, 2001 4:05 AM RE: [Jaya Jagannath] Graha's Dasavatar > ( Spelling correction req'd, excuse the 2nd email transmission ) > Aadityaaya somaaya mangalaaya budhaaya cha > guru shukra shanibhyashcha raahaveketave namah > > Namaste and thank you all for your feedback on this... > It would be of great interest to compare the following: > > Graha Dasavatar Other Deva/Divi > Nature Simularities/Difference/Conclusions > Surya/Ravi Sri Rama Sri Siva > Chandra - Sri Krisna Goddess Parvathi > Mangala - Sri Narasimha- Lord Karthikeya (Subramanya) > Buddhi - Sri Buddha Sri Vishni > Guru - Sri Vamama Lord Dakshinamurthi > Sukra - Sri Parasurama Lakshmi Devi > Sani - Sri Koorma Lord Yama ( Brahma?) > Rahu - Sri Varaha Goddess Durga > Ketu - Sri Matsya Sri Ganesha ( Vignaraja) > > > Thoughts here? > > Crystal Expectations [crystalx] > Sunday, February 25, 2001 1:36 PM > varahamihira > Re: [Jaya Jagannath] Graha's Dasavatar > > > Frank, > > The list of deities from Parasara is a representation of the planets > through the avataras. The other list is simply from other traditions > (probably the Smartist tradition established by Shankara.) Within their > frame of reference, they probably both work well. (My bias--not meant to > offend any of my Vaishnava friends!) > > Gary Gomes > - > Frank in Austin > varahamihira > Thursday, February 22, 2001 5:12 PM > [Jaya Jagannath] Graha's Dasavatar > > > aadityaaya somaaya mangalaaya budhaaya cha > guru shukra shanibhyashcha raahaveketave namah > > Namaste , > Can someone spend a few minutes and explain why some see the following > relationships for the Graha's > as compared to Maharishi Parasara's list below - why the differences? > > Sun: Lord Siva > Moon: Goddess Parvathi > Mars: Lord Karthikeya (Subramanya) Mercury: MahaVishnu > Jupiter: Lord Dakshinamurthi > Venus: Mahalakshmi Saturn: Lord Yama > Rahu: Goddess Durga > Kethu: Lord Ganesa or Indra > > > Maharishi Parasara names the following: > Surya - Sri Rama > Chandra - Sri Krisna > Mangala - Sri Narasimha > Buddhi - Sri Buddha > Guru - Sri Vamama > Sukra - Sri Parasurama > Sani - Sri Koorma > Rahi - Sri Varaha > Ketui - Sri Matsya > > Frank In Austin > / fschmidt > > > > OM TAT SAT > Archive: varahamihira > Info: varahamihira/info.html > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 27, 2001 Report Share Posted February 27, 2001 Jaya Jagannath Dear Gary, You got the point out here. The remedial measures normally relate to emancipation from affliction and mundane problems and thus they do not relate to the Avatars. The avatars relate to emancipation from the cycle of rebirth. Best Wishes Sanjay Rath - Crystal Expectations <crystalx <varahamihira > Sunday, February 25, 2001 2:09 AM Re: [Jaya Jagannath] Graha's Dasavatar Visti, If memory serves, in the remedial measures section of BPHS, the deities to seek relief of planetary affliction during certain periods are extremely varied and they are not the avatars. However, I do concede that at the beginning of BPHS, Parasara does invoke the blessings of Mahavishnu. Gary Gomes - Visti Larsen varahamihira Friday, February 23, 2001 4:45 AM Sv: [Jaya Jagannath] Graha's Dasavatar Dear Frank, Namaste. 1. The deities (i.e. lord Siva, Vishnu, Yama etc.) aren't Dasaavatars. Dasaavatars are said to be incarnations of Vishnu, and are physical beings, that have been born on this earth. 2. Parasara was clearly a Vaisnava as he states to worship the Avatara of Vishnu, whereas the Deity list is for the general population. If one had given a list of the grahas compared to the Avataras of Durga, or the Christian deities, then you might not have been thinking in these terms. Sidenotes. Bellow it states that Mercury is MahaVishnu, however MahaVishnu is usually compared to Narayan or Vasudevaya, so it should only read Vishnu, and MahaLakshmi should also only read Lakshmi as MahaLakshmi is Shakti the female incarnation of Narayan. Further, Jupiter is Indra, and Saturn is Brahma. Ultimately the list seems to be constricted to ones faith, yet the energies are the same. I've heard that Prasna Marga has an elaborate list of deities, but i won't comment on that as i'm not in possession of it. Best wishes, Visti. Sun: Lord Siva Moon: Goddess Parvathi Mars: Lord Karthikeya (Subramanya) Mercury: MahaVishnu Jupiter: Lord Dakshinamurthi Venus: Mahalakshmi Saturn: Lord Yama Rahu: Goddess Durga Kethu: Lord Ganesa or Indra Maharishi Parasara names the following: Surya - Sri Rama Chandra - Sri Krisna Mangala - Sri Narasimha Buddhi - Sri Buddha Guru - Sri Vamama Sukra - Sri Parasurama Sani - Sri Koorma Rahi - Sri Varaha Ketui - Sri Matsya Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 27, 2001 Report Share Posted February 27, 2001 Om Purnamadah purnamidam purnat purnam-udacyatePurnasya purnam-adaya purnam evavasisyate Namste Sanjay, First let me thank you for laying out a cogent reply to my email...Also, I must agree with you on distinguishing one's alignment with Vishnu ( Infinity and the Absolute) Vaishnavaor Siva ( Infinity and the Absolute) Shaivaite - it turns out to be the age old discussion that "my infinity is betterthan yours!" re: "Do read the Vedic remedies in Astrology thoroughly" - yes, I am on my 3rd or 4th reading ... thank you for this writing.Every time I re-read it, another gem of knowledge gets established in my understanding. re: as to your question of what do I want ( or desire to accomplish) - nothing more then to be established in Dharmamegha Samadhi ... something I must be chasing birth after re-birth till I get it right...this is were I hope Jyotish knowledge can assist me in shortening the journey. Pranaam, Frank In Austin/ fschmidt Sanjay Rath [srath]Sunday, February 25, 2001 8:11 PMvarahamihira Subject: Re: [Jaya Jagannath] Graha's DasavatarJaya JagannathDear Frank,In a letter that I cc'ed to this list yeastereday on the KSY, i hadmentionedabout worshipping a form of Vishnu if the natural benefic is in Lagna andShiva if in the seventh house..this is only a corollary to the rule of theIsta devata. The Ista is seen from the Navamsa. Nav means nine and the ninthhouse is a house connected with Dharma and Vishnu. For example if lagna lordis in the ninth house then we see a Vaishnava. Now the Atmakaraka is likethe Sun and the sugnificator of the ninth house. In the navamsa the 12thfrom the Karakamsa should be associated with the Ista devata and this has tobe a form of Vishnu.. see the links. Take the case of Jupiter as a Graha.You can recite the Graha Mantra. Now, if you want to be a preist(Livelihood-Amatyakaraka Yoga), then the ideal should be Brihaspati(Bhagavat Gita) and so, recite the Brihaspati Gayatri . If you want theknowledge of the tradition then worshipping Dattatreya, the snakes ofignorance will go and knowledge of all the scriptures will be yours. This isthe Trimurti Rupa and symbolises AUM. If you want the knowledge of theoccult and the deepest secrets of any vidya (including te Dasa Mahavidya)then worship Dakshinamurti. But if you want to be a perfect person(Perfection is akin to divinity) then recite the Dharma Gayatri of VamanaAvatar.Trinipada Vichakrame Vishnurgopa-adabhya Atho Dharmani dharayan..(rig Ved)What do you want? I hail from Puri and consider people who say you areVaishnava and I am shaivaite to be very very ignorant fools just like thefollowers of Ramanuja who had come to change the tradition of Puri but werethrown out over a thousand miles in one night during their sleep! HereJagannath and Lokanath live in perfect harmony looking after the world. Weknow that in every being be he a claimant of Christianity, Islam or anyother faith in any form or manner, there resides in his heart our "Common"God Jagannath (Vishnu) and in his mind like the cresent moon, sits Lokanath(Shiva) his Guru, intellect and guide.We also know that for some the head shall rule over the heart (Shaivaiteclaims) and for others the heart rules over the head (Vaishnava claims). Butfortunate are those who shall have a clear head and a clean heart with bothworking towards a common goal.So, Frank, we clean our hearts by saying OM NAMO NARAYANAYA and clear ourheads by saying OM NAMAH SHIVAYA and there is peace in our mind andhappiness in our heart. May this also become your path and you love everyatom of His creation realising that He resides everywhere.The forms of deities are for our minds that does not stop to reason. It isin the mind that the man works with these mantra. It is in these variousforms that we alleviate our sufferings as we start worshipping them andgradually start liking, loving and adoring the deities..so also the Grahasassociated with the deities become neutral, freindly and protective in thatorder. The deities of the Graha's (List-2) are to be worshipped whenassociated with the Devatakaraka as they become the Guru Rupa and shallguide the intellect like Shiva sitting in our heads. Thus List-1 associateswith the AK while List-2 should associate with the AmK or BK or other grahasin the Rasi and other charts.Another important point for Visti. I read that he claims that Parasara was aVaishnava because of that list-1. This is ridiculous. everybody knows thatPARASARA WAS AMONG THE FOREMOST WORSHIPPERS OF SHIVA. In fact so strong wasHis tapasya that Shiva had to be born (if I can use that term) as His son inthe form of Sri Veda Vyasa. Vyasa deva the Greatest exponent of this Dharmahas a similar beejakshara as that of Mritunjaya.OM HOUM JUM SAH VYAM VYASADEVAYA NAMAH ...This beejakshara HOUM & JUM are Sadashiva and Mritunjaya Beeja respectivelyand the deity is associated with the NEELA PADMA..read more from the sitewww.sjvc.net under Mritunjaya Mantra. the problem I see is that inspite ofeverybody reading the matter in the lessons and the web few are reallythinking. Think..you must think hard and try to reason out things in yourmind till perfect clarity is achieved. And when this happens, thank Shiva.Jaya Jaya Karunabdhe Sri Mahadeva Sambhu....With best wishesSanjay RathPS Do read the Vedic remedies in Astrology thoroughly.-Frank in Austin <fschmidt<varahamihira >Monday, February 26, 2001 4:05 AMRE: [Jaya Jagannath] Graha's Dasavatar> ( Spelling correction req'd, excuse the 2nd email transmission )> Aadityaaya somaaya mangalaaya budhaaya cha> guru shukra shanibhyashcha raahaveketave namah>> Namaste and thank you all for your feedback on this...> It would be of great interest to compare the following:>> Graha Dasavatar Other Deva/Divi> Nature Simularities/Difference/Conclusions> Surya/Ravi Sri Rama Sri Siva> Chandra - Sri Krisna Goddess Parvathi> Mangala - Sri Narasimha- Lord Karthikeya (Subramanya)> Buddhi - Sri Buddha Sri Vishni> Guru - Sri Vamama Lord Dakshinamurthi> Sukra - Sri Parasurama Lakshmi Devi> Sani - Sri Koorma Lord Yama ( Brahma?)> Rahu - Sri Varaha Goddess Durga> Ketu - Sri Matsya Sri Ganesha ( Vignaraja)>>> Thoughts here?> > Crystal Expectations [crystalx]> Sunday, February 25, 2001 1:36 PM> varahamihira > Re: [Jaya Jagannath] Graha's Dasavatar>>> Frank,>> The list of deities from Parasara is a representation of the planets> through the avataras. The other list is simply from other traditions> (probably the Smartist tradition established by Shankara.) Within their> frame of reference, they probably both work well. (My bias--not meant to> offend any of my Vaishnava friends!)>> Gary Gomes> -> Frank in Austin> varahamihira > Thursday, February 22, 2001 5:12 PM> [Jaya Jagannath] Graha's Dasavatar>>> aadityaaya somaaya mangalaaya budhaaya cha> guru shukra shanibhyashcha raahaveketave namah>> Namaste ,> Can someone spend a few minutes and explain why some see thefollowing> relationships for the Graha's> as compared to Maharishi Parasara's list below - why thedifferences?>> Sun: Lord Siva> Moon: Goddess Parvathi> Mars: Lord Karthikeya (Subramanya) Mercury: MahaVishnu> Jupiter: Lord Dakshinamurthi> Venus: Mahalakshmi Saturn: Lord Yama> Rahu: Goddess Durga> Kethu: Lord Ganesa or Indra>>> Maharishi Parasara names the following:> Surya - Sri Rama> Chandra - Sri Krisna> Mangala - Sri Narasimha> Buddhi - Sri Buddha> Guru - Sri Vamama> Sukra - Sri Parasurama> Sani - Sri Koorma> Rahi - Sri Varaha> Ketui - Sri Matsya>> Frank In Austin> / fschmidt>>> OM TAT SAT> Archive: varahamihira> Info: varahamihira/info.html>>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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