Guest guest Posted March 6, 2007 Report Share Posted March 6, 2007 Dear Scholars, Consider the chart of Male : 06-06-1961, 1726Hrs IST, Shimoga (Karnataka state), India In this case, Taurus Lagna rises in D-7, without any parivartana. For 1st child, I started looking to 5th house in reverse count and landed to Capricorn whose lord Saturn is placed in Leo, a male sign. Exalted Sun itself aspects Leo. Thus, I concluded that the first issue should have been a male child. Actually, the first issue born to this native is a female child. There is no other previous conception or miscarriage etc. Am I missing something very vital ?? Your inputs are required. Thanks, Vijay Kumar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 8, 2007 Report Share Posted March 8, 2007 Om Namah Shivaya, Dear Vijay, Obviously, the Moon dominates. Change the ghati. The first child is seen in 5th house. (Jaimini Sutra). Zoran RadosavljevicAdministrator at SIVA INSTITUTEwww.siva-edu.com - Vijay Kumar sohamsa Wednesday, March 07, 2007 4:22 AM Childbirth doubt Dear Scholars, Consider the chart of Male : 06-06-1961, 1726Hrs IST, Shimoga (Karnataka state), India In this case, Taurus Lagna rises in D-7, without any parivartana. For 1st child, I started looking to 5th house in reverse count and landed to Capricorn whose lord Saturn is placed in Leo, a male sign. Exalted Sun itself aspects Leo. Thus, I concluded that the first issue should have been a male child. Actually, the first issue born to this native is a female child. There is no other previous conception or miscarriage etc. Am I missing something very vital ?? Your inputs are required. Thanks, Vijay Kumar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 8, 2007 Report Share Posted March 8, 2007 Dear Mr.Zoran, Do we have any justification for changing the ghati. Taurus is an even rasi and the counting needs to be in reverse making Capricon as the rasi of first child, hence could not follow the thinking of changing the ghati to make virgo as the rasi for first child. Would appreciate a little more elaboration. Regards Ravi Nair Zoran Radosavljevic <ahimsa wrote: Om Namah Shivaya, Dear Vijay, Obviously, the Moon dominates. Change the ghati. The first child is seen in 5th house. (Jaimini Sutra). Zoran RadosavljevicAdministrator at SIVA INSTITUTEwww.siva-edu.com - Vijay Kumar sohamsa Wednesday, March 07, 2007 4:22 AM Childbirth doubt Dear Scholars, Consider the chart of Male : 06-06-1961, 1726Hrs IST, Shimoga (Karnataka state), India In this case, Taurus Lagna rises in D-7, without any parivartana. For 1st child, I started looking to 5th house in reverse count and landed to Capricorn whose lord Saturn is placed in Leo, a male sign. Exalted Sun itself aspects Leo. Thus, I concluded that the first issue should have been a male child. Actually, the first issue born to this native is a female child. There is no other previous conception or miscarriage etc. Am I missing something very vital ?? Your inputs are required. Thanks, Vijay Kumar Expecting? Get great news right away with email Auto-Check.Try the Mail Beta. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 8, 2007 Report Share Posted March 8, 2007 Hare Rama Krishna Dear Vijay is this time correct? if we change the time just for 5 min, first child would be doughter. This change will change Navamsa too. Please chack. Best wishes, Bojan Hari Om Tat Sat --- Zoran Radosavljevic <ahimsa wrote: > Om Namah Shivaya, > Dear Vijay, > Obviously, the Moon dominates. Change the ghati. The > first child is seen in 5th house. (Jaimini Sutra). > Zoran Radosavljevic > Administrator at SIVA INSTITUTE > www.siva-edu.com > - > Vijay Kumar > sohamsa > Wednesday, March 07, 2007 4:22 AM > Childbirth doubt > > > > Dear Scholars, > > Consider the chart of Male : 06-06-1961, 1726Hrs > IST, Shimoga (Karnataka state), India > > In this case, Taurus Lagna rises in D-7, without > any parivartana. For 1st child, I started looking to > 5th house in reverse count and landed to Capricorn > whose lord Saturn is placed in Leo, a male sign. > Exalted Sun itself aspects Leo. Thus, I concluded > that the first issue should have been a male child. > > Actually, the first issue born to this native is a > female child. There is no other previous conception > or miscarriage etc. > > Am I missing something very vital ?? > > Your inputs are required. > > Thanks, > > Vijay Kumar > > Best wishes, Bojan Vidakovic http://www.jatavedas.com ______________________________\ ____ No need to miss a message. Get email on-the-go with Mail for Mobile. Get started. http://mobile./mail Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 8, 2007 Report Share Posted March 8, 2007 Dear Sh. Bojan, Yes, your point is well taken. If the birth had been 5 minutes later, the first issue would have been detected as a female child. My emphasis was to detect, if I had committed any mistake in reading the chart. Infact, there is no way, the birth time could be corrected at a snapshot before reading such important issues. Thanks, Vijay Kumar - Bojan Vidakovic sohamsa Thursday, March 08, 2007 2:03 PM Re: Childbirth doubt Hare Rama KrishnaDear Vijay is this time correct? if we change the timejust for 5 min, first child would be doughter. Thischange will change Navamsa too. Please chack. Bestwishes, BojanHari Om Tat Sat--- Zoran Radosavljevic <ahimsa.yu> wrote:> Om Namah Shivaya,> Dear Vijay,> Obviously, the Moon dominates. Change the ghati. The> first child is seen in 5th house. (Jaimini Sutra).> Zoran Radosavljevic> Administrator at SIVA INSTITUTE> www.siva-edu.com> - > Vijay Kumar > sohamsa > Wednesday, March 07, 2007 4:22 AM> Childbirth doubt> > > > Dear Scholars,> > Consider the chart of Male : 06-06-1961, 1726Hrs> IST, Shimoga (Karnataka state), India> > In this case, Taurus Lagna rises in D-7, without> any parivartana. For 1st child, I started looking to> 5th house in reverse count and landed to Capricorn> whose lord Saturn is placed in Leo, a male sign.> Exalted Sun itself aspects Leo. Thus, I concluded> that the first issue should have been a male child.> > Actually, the first issue born to this native is a> female child. There is no other previous conception> or miscarriage etc.> > Am I missing something very vital ??> > Your inputs are required.> > Thanks,> > Vijay Kumar> > Best wishes, Bojan Vidakovichttp://www.jatavedas.com________No need to miss a message. Get email on-the-go with Mail for Mobile. Get started.http://mobile./mail -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 8, 2007 Report Share Posted March 8, 2007 OM SHRI RAGHAVENDRAAYA NAMAH OM SHRI LAKSHMI NRUSIMHAAYA NAMAH Dear Mr.Ravi, Just look at the 5th house of Rashi chart where Chandra is placed there in Meena Rashi lorded by Guru ® who is in a even sign of Makara Rashi lorded by Shani ® who himself aspects Meena Rashi ie., 5th house. Now if we look at 5th house in D-7 chart,Makara Rashi falls which is a even sign and indicates a female child 1st.If you say its lord Shani ® is in Simha Rashi lorded by Surya who is exalted in Mesha Rashi who aspects Shani ®,then the child born is a female one.It also has Rashi drishti of Guru ®.Now just look at both Grahas, Surya and Guru and both planets are in Rohini and Shravana which are ruled by Chandra only which is a female planet.So you can not neglect the Nakshatra lord of a Graha which gives more results than the Graha itself. So Chandra being a female Graha, the 1st child will be a female one. I hope this helps you. With Shri Hari Vaayu Guru Naama Smarana, Ramadas Rao."A. Ravindran Nair" <rain13club wrote: Dear Mr.Zoran, Do we have any justification for changing the ghati. Taurus is an even rasi and the counting needs to be in reverse making Capricon as the rasi of first child, hence could not follow the thinking of changing the ghati to make virgo as the rasi for first child. Would appreciate a little more elaboration. Regards Ravi Nair Zoran Radosavljevic <ahimsa.yu> wrote: Om Namah Shivaya, Dear Vijay, Obviously, the Moon dominates. Change the ghati. The first child is seen in 5th house. (Jaimini Sutra). Zoran RadosavljevicAdministrator at SIVA INSTITUTEwww.siva-edu.com - Vijay Kumar sohamsa Wednesday, March 07, 2007 4:22 AM Childbirth doubt Dear Scholars, Consider the chart of Male : 06-06-1961, 1726Hrs IST, Shimoga (Karnataka state), India In this case, Taurus Lagna rises in D-7, without any parivartana. For 1st child, I started looking to 5th house in reverse count and landed to Capricorn whose lord Saturn is placed in Leo, a male sign. Exalted Sun itself aspects Leo. Thus, I concluded that the first issue should have been a male child. Actually, the first issue born to this native is a female child. There is no other previous conception or miscarriage etc. Am I missing something very vital ?? Your inputs are required. Thanks, Vijay Kumar Expecting? Get great news right away with email Auto-Check.Try the Mail Beta. Here’s a new way to find what you're looking for - Answers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 8, 2007 Report Share Posted March 8, 2007 shucim arkair brihaspatim adhvareshu namasyata| anaamy oja aa cake|| RV 3.062.05 Dear Vijay, namaste I had a look at the chart based on the details furnished by you. Assuming that the birth time needs no rectification, here is what I found, when delineating from rasi to saptamsa: 1. In rasi, the fifth lord is debilitated and under a curse by Sani vakra & debilitated Mangal. Mars is the chara AK here and although the 8th lord does not appear to be involved, there should have been some suffering due to this. In navamsa, the fifth lord is under direct affliction by two malefics. Since the fifth lord is in a saturnine sign and conjunct Sani, posyaputra yoga is suspected here. The upagraha Mandi aspects the 5th house and the upapada lord is in the 5th house as the 5th lord is involved in the posyaputra yoga. 2. The arudha of the 3rd from lagna & 9th from Sun is in the 6th from Sun while the arudha of the 9th from lagna and the 3rd from Sun is in a kendra to Sun. 3. Venus & Mercury are in trines to saptamsa lagna while Saturn is the fifth lord. In view of the above, there is sufficient reason to conclude denial of children. The fifth lord from Jupiter is Venus which is in maranakarakasthana in rasi chart. Then I notice that Sani aspects the 9th from UL while Mangal is there in UL. However Jaimini says emphatically that Moon in 9th from UL gives one son, more the so as the rasi is fruitful Meena. I could be totally wrong but my observations point to the likely adoption of the child. Comments welcome. best regards Hari On 06 Mar 2007 19:22:19 -0800, Vijay Kumar <v_kumar wrote: Dear Scholars, Consider the chart of Male : 06-06-1961, 1726Hrs IST, Shimoga (Karnataka state), India In this case, Taurus Lagna rises in D-7, without any parivartana. For 1st child, I started looking to 5th house in reverse count and landed to Capricorn whose lord Saturn is placed in Leo, a male sign. Exalted Sun itself aspects Leo. Thus, I concluded that the first issue should have been a male child. Actually, the first issue born to this native is a female child. There is no other previous conception or miscarriage etc. Am I missing something very vital ?? Your inputs are required. Thanks, Vijay Kumar .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2007 Report Share Posted March 9, 2007 Dear Vijay and Bojan, Go easy on this. If you always change the birth to suit the predictions, you may easily fall into a trap.Anyway the ghati you've taken was not correct. Give us a childbirth time and that would give the correct saptamsha. Zoran RadosavljevicAdministrator at SIVA INSTITUTEwww.siva-edu.com - Vijay Kumar sohamsa Thursday, March 08, 2007 10:54 AM Re: Childbirth doubt Dear Sh. Bojan, Yes, your point is well taken. If the birth had been 5 minutes later, the first issue would have been detected as a female child. My emphasis was to detect, if I had committed any mistake in reading the chart. Infact, there is no way, the birth time could be corrected at a snapshot before reading such important issues. Thanks, Vijay Kumar - Bojan Vidakovic sohamsa Thursday, March 08, 2007 2:03 PM Re: Childbirth doubt Hare Rama KrishnaDear Vijay is this time correct? if we change the timejust for 5 min, first child would be doughter. Thischange will change Navamsa too. Please chack. Bestwishes, BojanHari Om Tat Sat--- Zoran Radosavljevic <ahimsa.yu> wrote:> Om Namah Shivaya,> Dear Vijay,> Obviously, the Moon dominates. Change the ghati. The> first child is seen in 5th house. (Jaimini Sutra).> Zoran Radosavljevic> Administrator at SIVA INSTITUTE> www.siva-edu.com> - > Vijay Kumar > sohamsa > Wednesday, March 07, 2007 4:22 AM> Childbirth doubt> > > > Dear Scholars,> > Consider the chart of Male : 06-06-1961, 1726Hrs> IST, Shimoga (Karnataka state), India> > In this case, Taurus Lagna rises in D-7, without> any parivartana. For 1st child, I started looking to> 5th house in reverse count and landed to Capricorn> whose lord Saturn is placed in Leo, a male sign.> Exalted Sun itself aspects Leo. Thus, I concluded> that the first issue should have been a male child.> > Actually, the first issue born to this native is a> female child. There is no other previous conception> or miscarriage etc.> > Am I missing something very vital ??> > Your inputs are required.> > Thanks,> > Vijay Kumar> > Best wishes, Bojan Vidakovichttp://www.jatavedas.com________No need to miss a message. Get email on-the-go with Mail for Mobile. Get started.http://mobile./mail -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2007 Report Share Posted March 9, 2007 Dear Guruji, Yes, this justification leads to the answer, even though it is a little hard for a student like me. I was getting confused with the analysis but was definitely not able to buy the theory of changing ghati. Thanks for the enlightening response. Guruji, you may remember me. When I joined SJC I wanted to be under your guidance since you were from Vashi and I was from Ambernath, but you could not accommodate me because of precommitments. My studies are not in full swing as I am at Fujairah, UAE and has access to SJC studies only through audios and through this forum. I have very less interaction with my designated guruji Mr. Dewavrat Buit from Nagpur since he is very seldom active through the medium. Regards Ravi Nair Regards Ravi Nair Ramadas Rao <ramadasrao wrote: OM SHRI RAGHAVENDRAAYA NAMAH OM SHRI LAKSHMI NRUSIMHAAYA NAMAH Dear Mr.Ravi, Just look at the 5th house of Rashi chart where Chandra is placed there in Meena Rashi lorded by Guru ® who is in a even sign of Makara Rashi lorded by Shani ® who himself aspects Meena Rashi ie., 5th house. Now if we look at 5th house in D-7 chart,Makara Rashi falls which is a even sign and indicates a female child 1st.If you say its lord Shani ® is in Simha Rashi lorded by Surya who is exalted in Mesha Rashi who aspects Shani ®,then the child born is a female one.It also has Rashi drishti of Guru ®.Now just look at both Grahas, Surya and Guru and both planets are in Rohini and Shravana which are ruled by Chandra only which is a female planet.So you can not neglect the Nakshatra lord of a Graha which gives more results than the Graha itself. So Chandra being a female Graha, the 1st child will be a female one. I hope this helps you. With Shri Hari Vaayu Guru Naama Smarana, Ramadas Rao."A. Ravindran Nair" <rain13club > wrote: Dear Mr.Zoran, Do we have any justification for changing the ghati. Taurus is an even rasi and the counting needs to be in reverse making Capricon as the rasi of first child, hence could not follow the thinking of changing the ghati to make virgo as the rasi for first child. Would appreciate a little more elaboration. Regards Ravi Nair Zoran Radosavljevic <ahimsa.yu> wrote: Om Namah Shivaya, Dear Vijay, Obviously, the Moon dominates. Change the ghati. The first child is seen in 5th house. (Jaimini Sutra). Zoran RadosavljevicAdministrator at SIVA INSTITUTEwww.siva-edu.com - Vijay Kumar sohamsa Wednesday, March 07, 2007 4:22 AM Childbirth doubt Dear Scholars, Consider the chart of Male : 06-06-1961, 1726Hrs IST, Shimoga (Karnataka state), India In this case, Taurus Lagna rises in D-7, without any parivartana. For 1st child, I started looking to 5th house in reverse count and landed to Capricorn whose lord Saturn is placed in Leo, a male sign. Exalted Sun itself aspects Leo. Thus, I concluded that the first issue should have been a male child. Actually, the first issue born to this native is a female child. There is no other previous conception or miscarriage etc. Am I missing something very vital ?? Your inputs are required. Thanks, Vijay Kumar Expecting? Get great news right away with email Auto-Check.Try the Mail Beta. Here’s a new way to find what you're looking for - Answers Looking for earth-friendly autos? Browse Top Cars by "Green Rating" at Autos' Green Center. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2007 Report Share Posted March 9, 2007 Hare Rama Krishna Yes you are right child birth time will give picture. I still didn-t take any gati. Bu as lord of fifth is ucha (lagna is even sign so counting goes from 5th in female charts) and as per ruls should give sun. I am not sure if you are saying this yuti with ch can change it? Best wishes, Bojan Hari Om Tat Sat --- Zoran Radosavljevic <ahimsa wrote: > Dear Vijay and Bojan, > Go easy on this. If you always change the birth to > suit the predictions, you may easily fall into a > trap.Anyway the ghati you've taken was not correct. > Give us a childbirth time and that would give the > correct saptamsha. > Zoran Radosavljevic > Administrator at SIVA INSTITUTE > www.siva-edu.com > - > Vijay Kumar > sohamsa > Thursday, March 08, 2007 10:54 AM > Re: Childbirth doubt > > > > Dear Sh. Bojan, > > Yes, your point is well taken. If the birth had > been 5 minutes later, the first issue would have > been detected as a female child. > > My emphasis was to detect, if I had committed any > mistake in reading the chart. Infact, there is no > way, the birth time could be corrected at a snapshot > before reading such important issues. > > Thanks, > > Vijay Kumar > > > - > Bojan Vidakovic > sohamsa > Thursday, March 08, 2007 2:03 PM > Re: Childbirth doubt > > > Hare Rama Krishna > Dear Vijay is this time correct? if we change > the time > just for 5 min, first child would be doughter. > This > change will change Navamsa too. Please chack. > Best > wishes, Bojan > Hari Om Tat Sat > --- Zoran Radosavljevic <ahimsa > wrote: > > > Om Namah Shivaya, > > Dear Vijay, > > Obviously, the Moon dominates. Change the > ghati. The > > first child is seen in 5th house. (Jaimini > Sutra). > > Zoran Radosavljevic > > Administrator at SIVA INSTITUTE > > www.siva-edu.com > > - > > Vijay Kumar > > sohamsa > > Wednesday, March 07, 2007 4:22 AM > > Childbirth doubt > > > > > > > > Dear Scholars, > > > > Consider the chart of Male : 06-06-1961, > 1726Hrs > > IST, Shimoga (Karnataka state), India > > > > In this case, Taurus Lagna rises in D-7, > without > > any parivartana. For 1st child, I started > looking to > > 5th house in reverse count and landed to > Capricorn > > whose lord Saturn is placed in Leo, a male > sign. > > Exalted Sun itself aspects Leo. Thus, I > concluded > > that the first issue should have been a male > child. > > > > Actually, the first issue born to this native > is a > > female child. There is no other previous > conception > > or miscarriage etc. > > > > Am I missing something very vital ?? > > > > Your inputs are required. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Vijay Kumar > > > > > > Best wishes, Bojan Vidakovic > http://www.jatavedas.com > > > ________ > No need to miss a message. Get email on-the-go > with Mail for Mobile. Get started. > http://mobile./mail > > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is > believed to be clean. > > Best wishes, Bojan Vidakovic http://www.jatavedas.com ______________________________\ ____ Looking for earth-friendly autos? Browse Top Cars by " Green Rating " at Autos' Green Center. http://autos./green_center/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2007 Report Share Posted March 9, 2007 हरे राम कृष्ण॥ Namaskar Zoki, I hope all is well at Parashara SJC - I don't see it in your signature. The word is gati - ghati is a measurement of time. Jaimini, Kalyana Varma, Vaidyanatha Dikshita and even Varahamihira all say: when Sun, Moon and Lagna are in even signs, then a girl is born... i.e. female is stronger. Now, you have mentioned that because the Moon is dominating that the gati should reverse to the fifth house. I accept that the use of the three, viz. surya, chandra and lagna can be used in the D7 but you must explain how the Moon in a female sign in this chart will change the gati from starting in the fifth house instead of ninth house. Otherwise we already have both lagna and moon in female signs, so why shouldn't we start the gati from the ninth house? Do explain in detail with more chart examples. Yours sincerely, -- Visti Larsen - SJC Guru Jaimini SJC - Denmark email: visti For consultations, free mp3's and articles visit: http://srigaruda.com Zoran Radosavljevic wrote: Dear Vijay and Bojan, Go easy on this. If you always change the birth to suit the predictions, you may easily fall into a trap.Anyway the ghati you've taken was not correct. Give us a childbirth time and that would give the correct saptamsha. Zoran Radosavljevic Administrator at SIVA INSTITUTE www.siva-edu.com ----- Original Message ----- Vijay Kumar To: sohamsa Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2007 10:54 AM Subject: Re: Childbirth doubt Dear Sh. Bojan, Yes, your point is well taken. If the birth had been 5 minutes later, the first issue would have been detected as a female child. My emphasis was to detect, if I had committed any mistake in reading the chart. Infact, there is no way, the birth time could be corrected at a snapshot before reading such important issues. Thanks, Vijay Kumar ----- Original Message ----- Bojan Vidakovic To: sohamsa Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2007 2:03 PM Subject: Re: Childbirth doubt Hare Rama Krishna Dear Vijay is this time correct? if we change the time just for 5 min, first child would be doughter. This change will change Navamsa too. Please chack. Best wishes, Bojan Hari Om Tat Sat --- Zoran Radosavljevic <ahimsa.yu> wrote: > Om Namah Shivaya, > Dear Vijay, > Obviously, the Moon dominates. Change the ghati. The > first child is seen in 5th house. (Jaimini Sutra). > Zoran Radosavljevic > Administrator at SIVA INSTITUTE > www.siva-edu.com > - > Vijay Kumar > sohamsa > Wednesday, March 07, 2007 4:22 AM > Childbirth doubt > > > > Dear Scholars, > > Consider the chart of Male : 06-06-1961, 1726Hrs > IST, Shimoga (Karnataka state), India > > In this case, Taurus Lagna rises in D-7, without > any parivartana. For 1st child, I started looking to > 5th house in reverse count and landed to Capricorn > whose lord Saturn is placed in Leo, a male sign. > Exalted Sun itself aspects Leo. Thus, I concluded > that the first issue should have been a male child. > > Actually, the first issue born to this native is a > female child. There is no other previous conception > or miscarriage etc. > > Am I missing something very vital ?? > > Your inputs are required. > > Thanks, > > Vijay Kumar > > Best wishes, Bojan Vidakovic http://www.jatavedas.com ________ No need to miss a message. Get email on-the-go with Mail for Mobile. Get started. http://mobile./mail -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2007 Report Share Posted March 9, 2007 Namaskar Visti, Yes, I will have to add it. All is fine. As far as your query, Remember we discussed it on our list. It is not the moon, it is the sign taurus changing the ghati. In such case, 5th lord Mercury conjoins Chandra and Rahu. If that is correct time, obviously Chandra dominates, since Rahu would give a son. Best wishes Zoki > > Namaskar Zoki, > I hope all is well at Parashara SJC - I don't see it in your signature. > > The word is /gati /- /ghati /is a measurement of time. > > Jaimini, Kalyana Varma, Vaidyanatha Dikshita and even Varahamihira all > say: when Sun, Moon and Lagna are in even signs, then a girl is born... > i.e. female is stronger. > Now, you have mentioned that because the Moon is dominating that the > /gati /should reverse to the fifth house. I accept that the use of the > three, viz. surya, chandra and lagna can be used in the D7 but you must > explain how the Moon in a female sign in this chart will change the > /gati/ from starting in the fifth house instead of ninth house. > > Otherwise we already have both lagna and moon in female signs, so why > shouldn't we start the /gati /from the ninth house? > Do explain in detail with more chart examples. > > Yours sincerely, > > -- > Visti Larsen - SJC Guru > Jaimini SJC - Denmark > email: visti <visti > For consultations, free mp3's and articles visit: http://srigaruda.com > <http://srigaruda.com> > > Zoran Radosavljevic wrote: >> >> Dear Vijay and Bojan, >> Go easy on this. If you always change the birth to suit the >> predictions, you may easily fall into a trap.Anyway the ghati you've >> taken was not correct. Give us a childbirth time and that would give >> the correct saptamsha. >> Zoran Radosavljevic >> Administrator at SIVA INSTITUTE >> www.siva-edu.com <http://www.siva-edu.com> >> >> - >> ** Vijay Kumar <v_kumar >> *To:* sohamsa <sohamsa > >> *Sent:* Thursday, March 08, 2007 10:54 AM >> *Subject:* Re: Childbirth doubt >> >> *Dear Sh. Bojan*, >> >> Yes, your point is well taken. If the birth had been 5 minutes >> later, the first issue would have been detected as a female child. >> >> My emphasis was to detect, if I had committed any mistake in >> reading the chart. Infact, there is no way, the birth time could >> be corrected at a snapshot before reading such important issues. >> >> Thanks, >> >> *Vijay Kumar* >> >> >> >> - >> ** Bojan Vidakovic <janbovid >> *To:* sohamsa <sohamsa > >> *Sent:* Thursday, March 08, 2007 2:03 PM >> *Subject:* Re: Childbirth doubt >> >> Hare Rama Krishna >> Dear Vijay is this time correct? if we change the time >> just for 5 min, first child would be doughter. This >> change will change Navamsa too. Please chack. Best >> wishes, Bojan >> Hari Om Tat Sat >> --- Zoran Radosavljevic <ahimsa >> <ahimsa> wrote: >> >> > Om Namah Shivaya, >> > Dear Vijay, >> > Obviously, the Moon dominates. Change the ghati. The >> > first child is seen in 5th house. (Jaimini Sutra). >> > Zoran Radosavljevic >> > Administrator at SIVA INSTITUTE >> > www.siva-edu.com >> > - >> > Vijay Kumar >> > sohamsa <sohamsa%40> >> > Wednesday, March 07, 2007 4:22 AM >> > Childbirth doubt >> > >> > >> > >> > Dear Scholars, >> > >> > Consider the chart of Male : 06-06-1961, 1726Hrs >> > IST, Shimoga (Karnataka state), India >> > >> > In this case, Taurus Lagna rises in D-7, without >> > any parivartana. For 1st child, I started looking to >> > 5th house in reverse count and landed to Capricorn >> > whose lord Saturn is placed in Leo, a male sign. >> > Exalted Sun itself aspects Leo. Thus, I concluded >> > that the first issue should have been a male child. >> > >> > Actually, the first issue born to this native is a >> > female child. There is no other previous conception >> > or miscarriage etc. >> > >> > Am I missing something very vital ?? >> > >> > Your inputs are required. >> > >> > Thanks, >> > >> > Vijay Kumar >> > >> > >> >> Best wishes, Bojan Vidakovic >> http://www.jatavedas.com <http://www.jatavedas.com> >> >> ________ >> No need to miss a message. Get email on-the-go >> with Mail for Mobile. Get started. >> http://mobile./mail <http://mobile./mail> >> >> >> -- >> This message has been scanned for viruses and >> dangerous content by *MailScanner* >> <http://www.mailscanner.info/>, and is >> believed to be clean. >> >> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2007 Report Share Posted March 9, 2007 हरे राम कृष्ण॥ Dear Zoki, Namaskar Ahh yes... the samapada/vimsapada rule. However, i did check this in Gurujis examples in COVA and found that he didn't use this exception with Taurus Lagna in the chart analysis. For the chart, fifth lord Mercury is yuti Moon (female) and rahu (male) in virgo (female). Since there is a predominance of female the first child can be a girl. The avastha of Budha is ignored as the other planets have determined the sex. Yours sincerely, -- Visti Larsen - SJC Guru Jaimini SJC - Denmark email: visti For consultations, free mp3's and articles visit: http://srigaruda.com ahimsa wrote: Namaskar Visti, Yes, I will have to add it. All is fine. As far as your query, Remember we discussed it on our list. It is not the moon, it is the sign taurus changing the ghati. In such case, 5th lord Mercury conjoins Chandra and Rahu. If that is correct time, obviously Chandra dominates, since Rahu would give a son. Best wishes Zoki > > Namaskar Zoki, > I hope all is well at Parashara SJC - I don't see it in your signature. > > The word is /gati /- /ghati /is a measurement of time. > > Jaimini, Kalyana Varma, Vaidyanatha Dikshita and even Varahamihira all > say: when Sun, Moon and Lagna are in even signs, then a girl is born... > i.e. female is stronger. > Now, you have mentioned that because the Moon is dominating that the > /gati /should reverse to the fifth house. I accept that the use of the > three, viz. surya, chandra and lagna can be used in the D7 but you must > explain how the Moon in a female sign in this chart will change the > /gati/ from starting in the fifth house instead of ninth house. > > Otherwise we already have both lagna and moon in female signs, so why > shouldn't we start the /gati /from the ninth house? > Do explain in detail with more chart examples. > > Yours sincerely, > > -- > Visti Larsen - SJC Guru > Jaimini SJC - Denmark > email: visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) com <visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) com> > For consultations, free mp3's and articles visit: http://srigaruda.com > <http://srigaruda.com> > > Zoran Radosavljevic wrote: >> >> Dear Vijay and Bojan, >> Go easy on this. If you always change the birth to suit the >> predictions, you may easily fall into a trap.Anyway the ghati you've >> taken was not correct. Give us a childbirth time and that would give >> the correct saptamsha. >> Zoran Radosavljevic >> Administrator at SIVA INSTITUTE >> www.siva-edu.com <http://www.siva-edu.com> >> >> - >> ** Vijay Kumar <v_kumar (AT) cdotb (DOT) ernet.in> >> *To:* sohamsa <sohamsa > >> *Sent:* Thursday, March 08, 2007 10:54 AM >> *Subject:* Re: Childbirth doubt >> >> *Dear Sh. Bojan*, >> >> Yes, your point is well taken. If the birth had been 5 minutes >> later, the first issue would have been detected as a female child. >> >> My emphasis was to detect, if I had committed any mistake in >> reading the chart. Infact, there is no way, the birth time could >> be corrected at a snapshot before reading such important issues. >> >> Thanks, >> >> *Vijay Kumar* >> >> >> >> - >> ** Bojan Vidakovic <janbovid > >> *To:* sohamsa <sohamsa > >> *Sent:* Thursday, March 08, 2007 2:03 PM >> *Subject:* Re: Childbirth doubt >> >> Hare Rama Krishna >> Dear Vijay is this time correct? if we change the time >> just for 5 min, first child would be doughter. This >> change will change Navamsa too. Please chack. Best >> wishes, Bojan >> Hari Om Tat Sat >> --- Zoran Radosavljevic <ahimsa.yu >> <ahimsa.yu>> wrote: >> >> > Om Namah Shivaya, >> > Dear Vijay, >> > Obviously, the Moon dominates. Change the ghati. The >> > first child is seen in 5th house. (Jaimini Sutra). >> > Zoran Radosavljevic >> > Administrator at SIVA INSTITUTE >> > www.siva-edu.com >> > - >> > Vijay Kumar >> > sohamsa <sohamsa%40> >> > Wednesday, March 07, 2007 4:22 AM >> > Childbirth doubt >> > >> > >> > >> > Dear Scholars, >> > >> > Consider the chart of Male : 06-06-1961, 1726Hrs >> > IST, Shimoga (Karnataka state), India >> > >> > In this case, Taurus Lagna rises in D-7, without >> > any parivartana. For 1st child, I started looking to >> > 5th house in reverse count and landed to Capricorn >> > whose lord Saturn is placed in Leo, a male sign. >> > Exalted Sun itself aspects Leo. Thus, I concluded >> > that the first issue should have been a male child. >> > >> > Actually, the first issue born to this native is a >> > female child. There is no other previous conception >> > or miscarriage etc. >> > >> > Am I missing something very vital ?? >> > >> > Your inputs are required. >> > >> > Thanks, >> > >> > Vijay Kumar >> > >> > >> >> Best wishes, Bojan Vidakovic >> http://www.jatavedas.com <http://www.jatavedas.com> >> >> ________ >> No need to miss a message. Get email on-the-go >> with Mail for Mobile. Get started. >> http://mobile./mail <http://mobile./mail> >> >> >> -- >> This message has been scanned for viruses and >> dangerous content by *MailScanner* >> <http://www.mailscanner.info/>, and is >> believed to be clean. >> >> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2007 Report Share Posted March 9, 2007 Dear Visti, Thanks for your kind suggestions. Your dialog with Sh. Zoki sounds something more than what is mentioned in COVA. Would it be possible to kindly consolidate the working rules for delineating with children in D-7 with certain exceptions (such as you mentioned in case of Taurus Lagna) and in case, if the D-7 Lagna occupies Ketu or any other... Your consolidation on this issue would help all of us. Thanks in advance Vijay Kumar - Visti Larsen sohamsa Friday, March 09, 2007 6:28 PM Re: Childbirth doubt हरे राम कृष्ण॥ Dear Zoki, NamaskarAhh yes... the samapada/vimsapada rule. However, i did check this in Gurujis examples in COVA and found that he didn't use this exception with Taurus Lagna in the chart analysis. For the chart, fifth lord Mercury is yuti Moon (female) and rahu (male) in virgo (female). Since there is a predominance of female the first child can be a girl. The avastha of Budha is ignored as the other planets have determined the sex. Yours sincerely, -- Visti Larsen - SJC GuruJaimini SJC - Denmark email: visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) comFor consultations, free mp3's and articles visit: http://srigaruda.com ahimsa.yu wrote: Namaskar Visti,Yes, I will have to add it. All is fine.As far as your query, Remember we discussed it on our list. It is not themoon, it is the sign taurus changing the ghati. In such case, 5th lordMercury conjoins Chandra and Rahu. If that is correct time, obviouslyChandra dominates, since Rahu would give a son.Best wishesZoki>> Namaskar Zoki,> I hope all is well at Parashara SJC - I don't see it in your signature.>> The word is /gati /- /ghati /is a measurement of time.>> Jaimini, Kalyana Varma, Vaidyanatha Dikshita and even Varahamihira all> say: when Sun, Moon and Lagna are in even signs, then a girl is born...> i.e. female is stronger.> Now, you have mentioned that because the Moon is dominating that the> /gati /should reverse to the fifth house. I accept that the use of the> three, viz. surya, chandra and lagna can be used in the D7 but you must> explain how the Moon in a female sign in this chart will change the> /gati/ from starting in the fifth house instead of ninth house.>> Otherwise we already have both lagna and moon in female signs, so why> shouldn't we start the /gati /from the ninth house?> Do explain in detail with more chart examples.>> Yours sincerely,>> --> Visti Larsen - SJC Guru> Jaimini SJC - Denmark> email: visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) com <visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) com>> For consultations, free mp3's and articles visit: http://srigaruda.com> <http://srigaruda.com>>> Zoran Radosavljevic wrote:>>>> Dear Vijay and Bojan,>> Go easy on this. If you always change the birth to suit the>> predictions, you may easily fall into a trap.Anyway the ghati you've>> taken was not correct. Give us a childbirth time and that would give>> the correct saptamsha.>> Zoran Radosavljevic>> Administrator at SIVA INSTITUTE>> www.siva-edu.com <http://www.siva-edu.com>>>>> ->> ** Vijay Kumar <v_kumar (AT) cdotb (DOT) ernet.in>>> *To:* sohamsa <sohamsa >>> *Sent:* Thursday, March 08, 2007 10:54 AM>> *Subject:* Re: Childbirth doubt>>>> *Dear Sh. Bojan*,>>>> Yes, your point is well taken. If the birth had been 5 minutes>> later, the first issue would have been detected as a female child.>>>> My emphasis was to detect, if I had committed any mistake in>> reading the chart. Infact, there is no way, the birth time could>> be corrected at a snapshot before reading such important issues.>>>> Thanks,>>>> *Vijay Kumar*>>>>>>>> ->> ** Bojan Vidakovic <janbovid >>> *To:* sohamsa <sohamsa >>> *Sent:* Thursday, March 08, 2007 2:03 PM>> *Subject:* Re: Childbirth doubt>>>> Hare Rama Krishna>> Dear Vijay is this time correct? if we change the time>> just for 5 min, first child would be doughter. This>> change will change Navamsa too. Please chack. Best>> wishes, Bojan>> Hari Om Tat Sat>> --- Zoran Radosavljevic <ahimsa.yu>> <ahimsa.yu>> wrote:>>>> > Om Namah Shivaya,>> > Dear Vijay,>> > Obviously, the Moon dominates. Change the ghati. The>> > first child is seen in 5th house. (Jaimini Sutra).>> > Zoran Radosavljevic>> > Administrator at SIVA INSTITUTE>> > www.siva-edu.com>> > ->> > Vijay Kumar>> > sohamsa <sohamsa%40>>> > Wednesday, March 07, 2007 4:22 AM>> > Childbirth doubt>> >>> >>> >>> > Dear Scholars,>> >>> > Consider the chart of Male : 06-06-1961, 1726Hrs>> > IST, Shimoga (Karnataka state), India>> >>> > In this case, Taurus Lagna rises in D-7, without>> > any parivartana. For 1st child, I started looking to>> > 5th house in reverse count and landed to Capricorn>> > whose lord Saturn is placed in Leo, a male sign.>> > Exalted Sun itself aspects Leo. Thus, I concluded>> > that the first issue should have been a male child.>> >>> > Actually, the first issue born to this native is a>> > female child. There is no other previous conception>> > or miscarriage etc.>> >>> > Am I missing something very vital ??>> >>> > Your inputs are required.>> >>> > Thanks,>> >>> > Vijay Kumar>> >>> >>>>> Best wishes, Bojan Vidakovic>> http://www.jatavedas.com <http://www.jatavedas.com>>>>> ________>> No need to miss a message. Get email on-the-go>> with Mail for Mobile. Get started.>> http://mobile./mail <http://mobile./mail>>>>>>> -->> This message has been scanned for viruses and>> dangerous content by *MailScanner*>> <http://www.mailscanner.info/>, and is>> believed to be clean.>>>>> -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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