Guest guest Posted March 5, 2007 Report Share Posted March 5, 2007 Hare Rama Krishna According to this we can conclude that Ch, Gu and Sk should be very good (without aflictions)in every chart. If we cosider Sy as Atma and Ch as the one who is driving us (and aflicted) where will it drive us through life? Plus if there are wrong advices and decisions (Gu as karaka for Paka lagna) and (aflicted Gu and Sk) when would we go left, when right?...Than I would say Atma will not be happy and can go further in another body...Hence the mantra Hare Rama Krisna - will make us happy Best wishes, Bojan Hari Om Tat Sat --- Sanjay Rath <sanjayrath wrote: > > > +om gurave namah+ > Dear Rafal > All these devas actualy work through the mana, and > hence the mind is > crucial. All reactions etc are based on the quality > of the mind, the Moon. > Detailed list is in Saravali with results of > planetary aspect on the Moon in > signs. > Remember the Gita... > The Moon is the charioteer, th Sun sits in the > chariot and the body is the > chariot. > Who is going to be my minds charioteer is the > question of the Gita. So it is > the Moon that gives the driving skills. what is > being driven, the conveyance > is from Venus. The one enjoying the drive is the > Sun. The Moon usesall the > other grahas/devas to control and run the vehicle. > Jup/Ven give the guidance...turn right, turn left. > Venus shows the > practicality in driving, Jupter shows the subtle > sixth sense that connects > with all other drivers on the road and keeps > millions of people driving with > a minimum of accidents. Jupiter really protects as > it gives the awareness of > driving rules while venus gives the awareness of the > vehicle that is being > driven. > Mars is the rashness that comes to the mind that > causes accidents as Jupiter > fails in front of this madness - remember how thay > exalt in opposite signs. > Saturn is the forgetfulness by which one loses the > way > Rahu is the craziness that seizes people when they > drive races while going > to office! > Ketu is the mistake that leads to an accident. > Buddha is the use of special navigation tools that > help steer the course as > Buddha knows geography - thats wh he gets prthvi > tatva. > ...so many do so many things. > ok what was the question? > Best wishes and warm regards, > Sanjay Rath > Webpages: http://SRath.com <http://srath.com/> > Founder: http://SriJagannath.org > <http://.org/> > Editor: http://TheJyotishDigest.com > <http://thejyotishdigest.com/> > > > > _____ > > sohamsa > [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of > Rafal Gendarz > Monday, March 05, 2007 3:25 AM > sohamsa > Re: Re: Driving > > > > > II hraum namah adityaya II > Dear Nixen , Namaskar > _____ > > There were many grahas proposed by Jyotishas like > Venus, Guru, Mangal & now > Buddha...all can be part of something we called > reflex..the closest is > Mangal of course but the substance which enables one > to be good driver is > not only reflex. Im waiting from Sanjay Ji final > response. I call it final > because of its broadness and authority. > > > > _____ > > Regards, > Rafal Gendarz, > www.rohinaa. <http://www.rohinaa.com> com > > > nix_nixen napisaù(a): > > Hare Rama Krishna > Pranam Rafalji. > I`m interested to know why do you judge position > from the Moon. Also > reflex should be related to Budha as it is exanging > the information > between the brain and the organ and action should be > Mars. Perception > (Venus) is important factor for driving too and > could be responsible > for coordination, or is it akasha tatwa (Guru)? I > hope You`ll clear > my doubts. > Regards, > Nixen > > sohamsa@ > <sohamsa%40> .com, Rafal > Gendarz <starsuponme wrote: > > > > II hraum namah adityaya II > > Dear Guruji , Namaskar > > > ------------------------- > ---- > > Sixth bhava would have more to say with reaction's > while third with > > actions in sense of defense. In Your case Mangal > lords the third > and > > Rahu/Sani lords the sixth. Sarpa Yoga and Mangal > in badhaksthan > (lot of > > agni tattwa) aspecting Lagna will change a lot. > You have also > Scorpio > > Lagna with Ketu which gives agni tattwa within > realm of Tapasvi > Yoga. I > > think Your reflex is good but there can be many > mistakes due to > Ketu in > > Arudhapada (the most with medicines / health as > You once told in > Your > > lecture, Guruji). Mangal in D30 Lagna will also > give reflex. > > > ------------------------- > ---- > > Regards, > > *Rafal Gendarz,* > > www.rohinaa.com <http://www.rohinaa. > <http://www.rohinaa.com> com> > > > > > > Sanjay Rath napisa³(a): > > > > > > > > > > > > *+om gurave namah+* > > > Dear Rafal > > > I have Moon in 6th from Mars - how do you think > is my reflex?? > > > Best wishes and warm regards, > > > Sanjay Rath > > > Webpages: http://SRath. <http://SRath.com> com > <http://srath. > <http://srath.com/> com/> > > > Founder: http://SriJagannath > <http://SriJagannath.org> .org > <http:// <http://.org/> > .org/> > > > Editor: http://TheJyotishDi > <http://TheJyotishDigest.com> gest.com > <http://thejyotishdi <http://thejyotishdigest.com/> > gest.com/> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------- > ------ > > > ** sohamsa@ > <sohamsa%40> .com > [sohamsa@ > <sohamsa%40> .com] > *On > > > Behalf Of *Rafal Gendarz > > > *Sent:* Friday, March 02, 2007 10:07 PM > > > *To:* sohamsa@ > <sohamsa%40> .com > > > *Subject:* Re: Driving > > > > > > II hraum namah adityaya II > > > Dear Aru , Namaskar > > > > ------------------------- > ------ > > > One thing is driving, second thing are abilities > which makes one > GOOD > > > DRIVER. > > > > > > Reflex is very important - 3,6 from Mars > associated === message truncated === Best wishes, Bojan Vidakovic http://www.jatavedas.com ______________________________\ ____ TV dinner still cooling? 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Guest guest Posted March 5, 2007 Report Share Posted March 5, 2007 Hare Ram Krishna Dear Sanjay ji, Namaskar, Your exact and well reasoned analysis of ' driving ' was very enlightening. It quite fits in with my chart. I have Libra asc, Su- Ve- Me in 5H. Mo is aspecting from 10H, Ma from 8 th and Sa from 2 nd are aspecting Mo. I have a poor sense of direction, sometimes do lose my way.(?Sa) Hence have started using a satellite navigation system for guidance.(Me). I have always wondered why I have poor direction sense and ...who controls that ..Ve or Me ? Also what makes one drive and drive...I drive about 400 miles / week...whew!! Thanks and regards Sharat - Sanjay Rath sohamsa Monday, March 05, 2007 2:53 AM RE: Re: Driving +om gurave namah+ Dear Rafal All these devas actualy work through the mana, and hence the mind is crucial. All reactions etc are based on the quality of the mind, the Moon. Detailed list is in Saravali with results of planetary aspect on the Moon in signs. Remember the Gita... The Moon is the charioteer, th Sun sits in the chariot and the body is the chariot. Who is going to be my minds charioteer is the question of the Gita. So it is the Moon that gives the driving skills. what is being driven, the conveyance is from Venus. The one enjoying the drive is the Sun. The Moon usesall the other grahas/devas to control and run the vehicle. Jup/Ven give the guidance...turn right, turn left. Venus shows the practicality in driving, Jupter shows the subtle sixth sense that connects with all other drivers on the road and keeps millions of people driving with a minimum of accidents. Jupiter really protects as it gives the awareness of driving rules while venus gives the awareness of the vehicle that is being driven. Mars is the rashness that comes to the mind that causes accidents as Jupiter fails in front of this madness - remember how thay exalt in opposite signs. Saturn is the forgetfulness by which one loses the way Rahu is the craziness that seizes people when they drive races while going to office! Ketu is the mistake that leads to an accident. Buddha is the use of special navigation tools that help steer the course as Buddha knows geography - thats wh he gets prthvi tatva. ....so many do so many things. ok what was the question? Best wishes and warm regards, Sanjay Rath Webpages: http://SRath.com Founder: http://SriJagannath.org Editor: http://TheJyotishDigest.com sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of Rafal GendarzMonday, March 05, 2007 3:25 AMsohamsa Subject: Re: Re: Driving II hraum namah adityaya II Dear Nixen , Namaskar There were many grahas proposed by Jyotishas like Venus, Guru, Mangal & now Buddha...all can be part of something we called reflex..the closest is Mangal of course but the substance which enables one to be good driver is not only reflex. Im waiting from Sanjay Ji final response. I call it final because of its broadness and authority. Regards, Rafal Gendarz, www.rohinaa.comnix_nixen napisaù(a): Hare Rama KrishnaPranam Rafalji.I`m interested to know why do you judge position from the Moon. Also reflex should be related to Budha as it is exanging the information between the brain and the organ and action should be Mars. Perception (Venus) is important factor for driving too and could be responsible for coordination, or is it akasha tatwa (Guru)? I hope You`ll clear my doubts.Regards,Nixensohamsa , Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme wrote:>> II hraum namah adityaya II> Dear Guruji , Namaskar> -----------------------------> Sixth bhava would have more to say with reaction's while third with > actions in sense of defense. In Your case Mangal lords the third and > Rahu/Sani lords the sixth. Sarpa Yoga and Mangal in badhaksthan (lot of > agni tattwa) aspecting Lagna will change a lot. You have also Scorpio > Lagna with Ketu which gives agni tattwa within realm of Tapasvi Yoga. I > think Your reflex is good but there can be many mistakes due to Ketu in > Arudhapada (the most with medicines / health as You once told in Your > lecture, Guruji). Mangal in D30 Lagna will also give reflex.> -----------------------------> Regards,> *Rafal Gendarz,*> www.rohinaa.com <http://www.rohinaa.com>> > > Sanjay Rath napisa³(a):> >> > > > > > *+om gurave namah+*> > Dear Rafal> > I have Moon in 6th from Mars - how do you think is my reflex??> > Best wishes and warm regards,> > Sanjay Rath> > Webpages: http://SRath.com <http://srath.com/>> > Founder: http://SriJagannath.org <http://.org/>> > Editor: http://TheJyotishDigest.com <http://thejyotishdigest.com/>> > > > > >> > -------------------------------> > ** sohamsa [sohamsa ] *On > > Behalf Of *Rafal Gendarz> > *Sent:* Friday, March 02, 2007 10:07 PM> > *To:* sohamsa > > *Subject:* Re: Driving> >> > II hraum namah adityaya II> > Dear Aru , Namaskar> > -------------------------------> > One thing is driving, second thing are abilities which makes one GOOD > > DRIVER.> >> > Reflex is very important - 3,6 from Mars associated with malefics.> >> > Also abilitiy for imagination of potential danger and alternatives, > > smoothness of moves, inteligence etc.> >> > -------------------------------> > Regards,> > *Rafal Gendarz,*> > www.rohinaa.com <http://www.rohinaa.com>> > > >> >> > Aravinda napisa³(a):> >>> >> Dear friends..I have a small doubt. I know that venus is the> >> significator for vehicles. But what planet signifies driving? How do> >> we see whether a person is a good driver or not as driving a vehicle> >> requires one to be confident and alert at the same time. What planets> >> and placements should we check for this? Can someone please comment on> >> this?> >>> >> regards> >> Aru> >>> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2007 Report Share Posted March 6, 2007 Dear Utpal Saturn is not responsible for control as guruji pointed out. Moon plays a vital role here as it is the mana and all other planets give results based on their karakatwa. regards Aru sohamsa , " utpal pathak " <vedic_pathak wrote: > > Dear Aru, > > I just remembered the Chart of Shri Krishna. The expert *Driver* > drove to victory, the Rath, from one of the most horrible traffic of > Mahabharat war AND one looks at the Saturn's strength in the chart. > Digbali, aspecting Lagna & exalted Moon as well as 4th house. > > regards, > > utpal > > sohamsa , " utpal pathak " <vedic_pathak@> > wrote: > > > > Dear Aru, > > > > I think differently here. I believe that Without Saturn, Control is > > unimaginable. > > > > 1) Most of the true spiritualist has Influence of Saturn over moon > in > > their chart. It is eveident that they realised the truth with the > > Control of Mind. > > > > 2) Without control of Saturn, Jupiter becomes theorist - Pundit > with > > only book knowledge - check chart of Sanjay Rath & other many > > scholars who has saturn's control on Guru > > > > 3) Mars becomes madly agressive if not checked by saturn. the > energy > > may be wasted. > > > > 4) Saturn is the major influence along with ketu which brings > > forth 'Tapaswi' when they control Venus. > > > > > > just few thoughts. The idea is borrowed from Shri Ashwin Rawal who > > wrote am wonderful article regarding Saturn a controlling factor > many > > years ago. > > > > warm regards, > > > > Utpal > > > > sohamsa , " Aravinda " <aru_dulla@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Utpal...control is not indicated by Saturn. Controlling the > > > vehicle or in other words balance of the vehicle depends on other > > > factors. I am guessing Mercury has a lot to do with reflexes and > > hence > > > balancing the vehicle. Mars gives the energy and the logic to > make > > a > > > judgement. > > > > > > regards > > > Aru > > > > > > sohamsa , Utpal Pathak <vedic_pathak@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Aru, > > > > > > > > In addition to what Sri Sanjay has said, i would like to add > > that > > > *Driving* is essentially *controlling* & hence i would like to > see > > > Shani dev's positive influence in a chart of good driver. > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > Utpal Pathak > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheap Talk? Check out Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call > > rates. > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2007 Report Share Posted March 6, 2007 Dear Aru, I've gone thro' Guruji's message. He doesn't say moon is responsible for control, He has pointed out that moon is very crucial and it is natural as moon is Manah/speed (gati). Manah is a drunken monkey so unless there is a strong, positive control of saturn over moon it is not easy to stabilise mind / control speed. I think His answer is not contradicting my understanding. that's why i've given example of Shri Krishna. However, my understanding could be defective. regards, Utpal sohamsa , " Aravinda " <aru_dulla wrote: > > Dear Utpal > > Saturn is not responsible for control as guruji pointed > out. Moon plays a vital role here as it is the mana and all other > planets give results based on their karakatwa. > > regards > Aru > > sohamsa , " utpal pathak " <vedic_pathak@> > wrote: > > > > Dear Aru, > > > > I just remembered the Chart of Shri Krishna. The expert *Driver* > > drove to victory, the Rath, from one of the most horrible traffic > of > > Mahabharat war AND one looks at the Saturn's strength in the > chart. > > Digbali, aspecting Lagna & exalted Moon as well as 4th house. > > > > regards, > > > > utpal > > > > sohamsa , " utpal pathak " <vedic_pathak@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Aru, > > > > > > I think differently here. I believe that Without Saturn, Control > is > > > unimaginable. > > > > > > 1) Most of the true spiritualist has Influence of Saturn over > moon > > in > > > their chart. It is eveident that they realised the truth with > the > > > Control of Mind. > > > > > > 2) Without control of Saturn, Jupiter becomes theorist - Pundit > > with > > > only book knowledge - check chart of Sanjay Rath & other many > > > scholars who has saturn's control on Guru > > > > > > 3) Mars becomes madly agressive if not checked by saturn. the > > energy > > > may be wasted. > > > > > > 4) Saturn is the major influence along with ketu which brings > > > forth 'Tapaswi' when they control Venus. > > > > > > > > > just few thoughts. The idea is borrowed from Shri Ashwin Rawal > who > > > wrote am wonderful article regarding Saturn a controlling factor > > many > > > years ago. > > > > > > warm regards, > > > > > > Utpal > > > > > > sohamsa , " Aravinda " <aru_dulla@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Utpal...control is not indicated by Saturn. Controlling > the > > > > vehicle or in other words balance of the vehicle depends on > other > > > > factors. I am guessing Mercury has a lot to do with reflexes > and > > > hence > > > > balancing the vehicle. Mars gives the energy and the logic to > > make > > > a > > > > judgement. > > > > > > > > regards > > > > Aru > > > > > > > > sohamsa , Utpal Pathak <vedic_pathak@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Aru, > > > > > > > > > > In addition to what Sri Sanjay has said, i would like to > add > > > that > > > > *Driving* is essentially *controlling* & hence i would like > to > > see > > > > Shani dev's positive influence in a chart of good driver. > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > Utpal Pathak > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheap Talk? Check out Messenger's low PC-to-Phone > call > > > rates. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 8, 2007 Report Share Posted March 8, 2007 thinking of driving wrt planets/nodes Ma - the accelerator Sa - brake - to be taken positively since braking in time prevents accidents and may be reverse gear too to prevent car-ma from heading (?Ra) into the pit. Ju - the Driver's Wisdom so any comments on Me, Su (head-light?) Ra, Ke, Ve, Mo since Chart is the Map, Native is the Driver on the Life Path. SS sohamsa , " utpal pathak " <vedic_pathak wrote: > > Dear Aru, > > I just remembered the Chart of Shri Krishna. The expert *Driver* > drove to victory, the Rath, from one of the most horrible traffic of > Mahabharat war AND one looks at the Saturn's strength in the chart. > Digbali, aspecting Lagna & exalted Moon as well as 4th house. > > regards, > > utpal > > sohamsa , " utpal pathak " <vedic_pathak@> > wrote: > > > > Dear Aru, > > > > I think differently here. I believe that Without Saturn, Control is > > unimaginable. > > > > 1) Most of the true spiritualist has Influence of Saturn over moon > in > > their chart. It is eveident that they realised the truth with the > > Control of Mind. > > > > 2) Without control of Saturn, Jupiter becomes theorist - Pundit > with > > only book knowledge - check chart of Sanjay Rath & other many > > scholars who has saturn's control on Guru > > > > 3) Mars becomes madly agressive if not checked by saturn. the > energy > > may be wasted. > > > > 4) Saturn is the major influence along with ketu which brings > > forth 'Tapaswi' when they control Venus. > > > > > > just few thoughts. The idea is borrowed from Shri Ashwin Rawal who > > wrote am wonderful article regarding Saturn a controlling factor > many > > years ago. > > > > warm regards, > > > > Utpal > > > > sohamsa , " Aravinda " <aru_dulla@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Utpal...control is not indicated by Saturn. Controlling the > > > vehicle or in other words balance of the vehicle depends on other > > > factors. I am guessing Mercury has a lot to do with reflexes and > > hence > > > balancing the vehicle. Mars gives the energy and the logic to > make > > a > > > judgement. > > > > > > regards > > > Aru > > > > > > sohamsa , Utpal Pathak <vedic_pathak@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Aru, > > > > > > > > In addition to what Sri Sanjay has said, i would like to add > > that > > > *Driving* is essentially *controlling* & hence i would like to > see > > > Shani dev's positive influence in a chart of good driver. > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > Utpal Pathak > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheap Talk? Check out Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call > > rates. > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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