Guest guest Posted March 1, 2007 Report Share Posted March 1, 2007 Dear friends..I have a small doubt. I know that venus is the significator for vehicles. But what planet signifies driving? How do we see whether a person is a good driver or not as driving a vehicle requires one to be confident and alert at the same time. What planets and placements should we check for this? Can someone please comment on this? regards Aru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 2, 2007 Report Share Posted March 2, 2007 || Om Gurave Namah ||Dear Aru, The kaaraka gives the object and also the knowledge to use it. Hence I would say that Venus is the kaaraka for driving also. Usually the 4th house from a given house gives practical education on the bhaava. The 7th Hence (4th from 4th) would be the bhaava of how you learn driving.Warm RegardsSanjay POn 3/1/07, Aravinda < aru_dulla wrote: Dear friends..I have a small doubt. I know that venus is the significator for vehicles. But what planet signifies driving? How do we see whether a person is a good driver or not as driving a vehicle requires one to be confident and alert at the same time. What planets and placements should we check for this? Can someone please comment on this? regards Aru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 2, 2007 Report Share Posted March 2, 2007 dear sanjay, it is rahu who is karaka for the vehicles and venus, the enjoyment of using a vehicle You might be having well placed rahu to buy a vehicle but if venus is weak, you will not use the vehicle. On the other hand, if your rahu is not well placed you may not have a vehicle at all but you will enjoy all the vehilces in the world thanks to your strong venus. On the other hand, skill in r handling a vehicle or an animal is seen from 3rd house in D16 regards, Kishore patnaik On 3/1/07, Sanjay Prabhakaran <sanjaychettiar wrote: || Om Gurave Namah ||Dear Aru, The kaaraka gives the object and also the knowledge to use it. Hence I would say that Venus is the kaaraka for driving also. Usually the 4th house from a given house gives practical education on the bhaava. The 7th Hence (4th from 4th) would be the bhaava of how you learn driving.Warm RegardsSanjay P On 3/1/07, Aravinda < aru_dulla wrote: Dear friends..I have a small doubt. I know that venus is the significator for vehicles. But what planet signifies driving? How do we see whether a person is a good driver or not as driving a vehicle requires one to be confident and alert at the same time. What planets and placements should we check for this? Can someone please comment on this?regardsAru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 2, 2007 Report Share Posted March 2, 2007 II hraum namah adityaya II Dear Aru , Namaskar One thing is driving, second thing are abilities which makes one GOOD DRIVER. Reflex is very important - 3,6 from Mars associated with malefics. Also abilitiy for imagination of potential danger and alternatives, smoothness of moves, inteligence etc. Regards, Rafal Gendarz, www.rohinaa.com Aravinda napisał(a): Dear friends..I have a small doubt. I know that venus is the significator for vehicles. But what planet signifies driving? How do we see whether a person is a good driver or not as driving a vehicle requires one to be confident and alert at the same time. What planets and placements should we check for this? Can someone please comment on this? regards Aru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 2, 2007 Report Share Posted March 2, 2007 Hare Rama Krishna Namaste Kishore ji and others, This is very interesting to me to know that Rahu is the karaka for vehicles, all this time I thought it was Venus itself. So with the karaka house being 4th, rahu adversely placed from 4th house/lord should deny "ownership" of vehicles to any native, but with favorable venus, the "enjoyment" ( viz a viz use elsewise etc) in such relation will still be there. Please guide if I am correct in my understanding... Gaurav Jain In a message dated 3/2/2007 9:55:52 P.M. India Standard Time, kishorepatnaik09 writes: dear sanjay, it is rahu who is karaka for the vehicles and venus, the enjoyment of using a vehicle You might be having well placed rahu to buy a vehicle but if venus is weak, you will not use the vehicle. On the other hand, if your rahu is not well placed you may not have a vehicle at all but you will enjoy all the vehilces in the world thanks to your strong venus. On the other hand, skill in r handling a vehicle or an animal is seen from 3rd house in D16 regards, Kishore patnaik On 3/1/07, Sanjay Prabhakaran <sanjaychettiar wrote: || Om Gurave Namah ||Dear Aru, The kaaraka gives the object and also the knowledge to use it. Hence I would say that Venus is the kaaraka for driving also. Usually the 4th house from a given house gives practical education on the bhaava. The 7th Hence (4th from 4th) would be the bhaava of how you learn driving.Warm RegardsSanjay P On 3/1/07, Aravinda < aru_dulla wrote: Dear friends..I have a small doubt. I know that venus is the significator for vehicles. But what planet signifies driving? How do we see whether a person is a good driver or not as driving a vehicle requires one to be confident and alert at the same time. What planets and placements should we check for this? Can someone please comment on this?regardsAru AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 3, 2007 Report Share Posted March 3, 2007 Dear Aru, In addition to what Sri Sanjay has said, i would like to add that *Driving* is essentially *controlling* & hence i would like to see Shani dev's positive influence in a chart of good driver. regards, Utpal Pathak Cheap Talk? Check out Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 3, 2007 Report Share Posted March 3, 2007 |om| Dear " participants in this discussion thread " , namaste What Sri Kishore has said about the karaka for vehicle is not correct. It is Venus who is the karaka for vehicles. best regards Hari Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 3, 2007 Report Share Posted March 3, 2007 II hraum namah adityaya II Dear Jyotisha , Namaskar Yes, Hari has right. Next correction: Karaka for controling is Mangal. Regards, Rafal Gendarz, www.rohinaa.com Jyotisa Shisya napisał(a): |om| Dear "participants in this discussion thread", namaste What Sri Kishore has said about the karaka for vehicle is not correct. It is Venus who is the karaka for vehicles. best regards Hari Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 3, 2007 Report Share Posted March 3, 2007 Jaya Jagannatha Please! Venus IS karaka for vehicle, Mars is karaka for precision in judgment and snap decisions. Jupiter is karaka for hearing. Swee On 3/2/07 6:02 PM, " kishore patnaik " <kishorepatnaik09 dear sanjay, it is rahu who is karaka for the vehicles and venus, the enjoyment of using a vehicle You might be having well placed rahu to buy a vehicle but if venus is weak, you will not use the vehicle. On the other hand, if your rahu is not well placed you may not have a vehicle at all but you will enjoy all the vehilces in the world thanks to your strong venus. On the other hand, skill in r handling a vehicle or an animal is seen from 3rd house in D16 regards, Kishore patnaik On 3/1/07, Sanjay Prabhakaran <sanjaychettiar wrote: || Om Gurave Namah || Dear Aru, The kaaraka gives the object and also the knowledge to use it. Hence I would say that Venus is the kaaraka for driving also. Usually the 4th house from a given house gives practical education on the bhaava. The 7th Hence (4th from 4th) would be the bhaava of how you learn driving. Warm Regards Sanjay P On 3/1/07, Aravinda < aru_dulla <aru_dulla > wrote: Dear friends..I have a small doubt. I know that venus is the significator for vehicles. But what planet signifies driving? How do we see whether a person is a good driver or not as driving a vehicle requires one to be confident and alert at the same time. What planets and placements should we check for this? Can someone please comment on this? regards Aru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 3, 2007 Report Share Posted March 3, 2007 Hare Rama Krishna Namaste Thank you Swee ji, I almost thought I was loosing my mind, as per my last mail on "trying to grasp" that rahu is karka for vehicles.. namaste Gaurav Jain In a message dated 3/3/2007 1:45:46 P.M. India Standard Time, sweechan writes: Jaya JagannathaPlease! Venus IS karaka for vehicle, Mars is karaka for precision in judgment and snap decisions. Jupiter is karaka for hearing.SweeOn 3/2/07 6:02 PM, "kishore patnaik" <kishorepatnaik09 dear sanjay, it is rahu who is karaka for the vehicles and venus, the enjoyment of using a vehicle You might be having well placed rahu to buy a vehicle but if venus is weak, you will not use the vehicle. On the other hand, if your rahu is not well placed you may not have a vehicle at all but you will enjoy all the vehilces in the world thanks to your strong venus. On the other hand, skill in r handling a vehicle or an animal is seen from 3rd house in D16 regards, Kishore patnaik On 3/1/07, Sanjay Prabhakaran <sanjaychettiar wrote: || Om Gurave Namah ||Dear Aru, The kaaraka gives the object and also the knowledge to use it. Hence I would say that Venus is the kaaraka for driving also. Usually the 4th house from a given house gives practical education on the bhaava. The 7th Hence (4th from 4th) would be the bhaava of how you learn driving.Warm RegardsSanjay POn 3/1/07, Aravinda < aru_dulla <aru_dulla > wrote: Dear friends..I have a small doubt. I know that venus is the significator for vehicles. But what planet signifies driving? How do we see whether a person is a good driver or not as driving a vehicle requires one to be confident and alert at the same time. What planets and placements should we check for this? Can someone please comment on this?regardsAru AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 3, 2007 Report Share Posted March 3, 2007 Dear jyotishas...I personally think driving has to do with skill. So, 3rd house must play a part in this. Driving also needs judgement and balance. I wonder how to look for these aspects. And Swee...I don't know how Mars has anything to do with driving. Judgement and decision making are related to Jupiter and Mercury. Please comment. regards Aru sohamsa , Swee Chan <sweechan wrote: > > > Jaya Jagannatha > > Please! Venus IS karaka for vehicle, Mars is karaka for precision in > judgment and snap decisions. Jupiter is karaka for hearing. > > Swee > > > On 3/2/07 6:02 PM, " kishore patnaik " <kishorepatnaik09 > > > > > > > > > > > dear sanjay, > > > > it is rahu who is karaka for the vehicles and venus, the enjoyment of using a > > vehicle You might be having well placed rahu to buy a vehicle but if venus is > > weak, you will not use the vehicle. > > > > On the other hand, if your rahu is not well placed you may not have a vehicle > > at all but you will enjoy all the vehilces in the world thanks to your strong > > venus. > > > > On the other hand, skill in r handling a vehicle or an animal is seen from > > 3rd house in D16 > > > > regards, > > > > Kishore patnaik > > > > > > On 3/1/07, Sanjay Prabhakaran <sanjaychettiar wrote: > >> || Om Gurave Namah || > >> Dear Aru, > >> > >> The kaaraka gives the object and also the knowledge to use it. > >> Hence I would say that Venus is the kaaraka for driving also. > >> > >> Usually the 4th house from a given house gives practical education on the > >> bhaava. > >> The 7th Hence (4th from 4th) would be the bhaava of how you learn driving. > >> Warm Regards > >> Sanjay P > >> > >> > >> > >> On 3/1/07, Aravinda < aru_dulla <aru_dulla > > >> wrote: > >>> Dear friends..I have a small doubt. I know that venus is the > >>> significator for vehicles. But what planet signifies driving? How do > >>> we see whether a person is a good driver or not as driving a vehicle > >>> requires one to be confident and alert at the same time. What planets > >>> and placements should we check for this? Can someone please comment on > >>> this? > >>> > >>> regards > >>> Aru > >>> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 3, 2007 Report Share Posted March 3, 2007 Dear Kishore Rahu is not the karaka for vehicles. Venus is. So, placement and strength of venus shows vehicles and their ownership by the native. For ownership we have to check shodamsa again(I guess!) Since, driving is a skill, I wonder if third house needs to be checked. Third house also is the house of parakrama, so that gives all the more reason to consider it. But I am not sure Jupiter and Mercury have a role here. regards Aru sohamsa , " kishore patnaik " <kishorepatnaik09 wrote: > > dear sanjay, > > it is rahu who is karaka for the vehicles and venus, the enjoyment of using > a vehicle You might be having well placed rahu to buy a vehicle but if > venus is weak, you will not use the vehicle. > > On the other hand, if your rahu is not well placed you may not have a > vehicle at all but you will enjoy all the vehilces in the world thanks to > your strong venus. > > On the other hand, skill in r handling a vehicle or an animal is seen from > 3rd house in D16 > > regards, > > Kishore patnaik > > > On 3/1/07, Sanjay Prabhakaran <sanjaychettiar wrote: > > > > || Om Gurave Namah || > > Dear Aru, > > > > The kaaraka gives the object and also the knowledge to use it. > > Hence I would say that Venus is the kaaraka for driving also. > > > > Usually the 4th house from a given house gives practical education on the > > bhaava. > > The 7th Hence (4th from 4th) would be the bhaava of how you learn > > driving. > > Warm Regards > > Sanjay P > > > > > > > > On 3/1/07, Aravinda < aru_dulla wrote: > > > > > > Dear friends..I have a small doubt. I know that venus is the > > > significator for vehicles. But what planet signifies driving? How do > > > we see whether a person is a good driver or not as driving a vehicle > > > requires one to be confident and alert at the same time. What planets > > > and placements should we check for this? Can someone please comment on > > > this? > > > > > > regards > > > Aru > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 3, 2007 Report Share Posted March 3, 2007 Dear Utpal...control is not indicated by Saturn. Controlling the vehicle or in other words balance of the vehicle depends on other factors. I am guessing Mercury has a lot to do with reflexes and hence balancing the vehicle. Mars gives the energy and the logic to make a judgement. regards Aru sohamsa , Utpal Pathak <vedic_pathak wrote: > > Dear Aru, > > In addition to what Sri Sanjay has said, i would like to add that *Driving* is essentially *controlling* & hence i would like to see Shani dev's positive influence in a chart of good driver. > > regards, > > Utpal Pathak > > > > Cheap Talk? Check out Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 3, 2007 Report Share Posted March 3, 2007 Jaya Jagannatha Dear Aru, Namaste Why not? Why give your child the lego set? If there is no co-ordination, the person can’t even work out how to drive an automatic. Love, Swee On 3/3/07 11:10 AM, " Aravinda " <aru_dulla Dear jyotishas...I personally think driving has to do with skill. So, 3rd house must play a part in this. Driving also needs judgement and balance. I wonder how to look for these aspects. And Swee...I don't know how Mars has anything to do with driving. Judgement and decision making are related to Jupiter and Mercury. Please comment. regards Aru sohamsa <sohamsa%40> , Swee Chan <sweechan wrote: > > > Jaya Jagannatha > > Please! Venus IS karaka for vehicle, Mars is karaka for precision in > judgment and snap decisions. Jupiter is karaka for hearing. > > Swee > > > On 3/2/07 6:02 PM, " kishore patnaik " <kishorepatnaik09 > > > > > > > > > > > dear sanjay, > > > > it is rahu who is karaka for the vehicles and venus, the enjoyment of using a > > vehicle You might be having well placed rahu to buy a vehicle but if venus is > > weak, you will not use the vehicle. > > > > On the other hand, if your rahu is not well placed you may not have a vehicle > > at all but you will enjoy all the vehilces in the world thanks to your strong > > venus. > > > > On the other hand, skill in r handling a vehicle or an animal is seen from > > 3rd house in D16 > > > > regards, > > > > Kishore patnaik > > > > > > On 3/1/07, Sanjay Prabhakaran <sanjaychettiar wrote: > >> || Om Gurave Namah || > >> Dear Aru, > >> > >> The kaaraka gives the object and also the knowledge to use it. > >> Hence I would say that Venus is the kaaraka for driving also. > >> > >> Usually the 4th house from a given house gives practical education on the > >> bhaava. > >> The 7th Hence (4th from 4th) would be the bhaava of how you learn driving. > >> Warm Regards > >> Sanjay P > >> > >> > >> > >> On 3/1/07, Aravinda < aru_dulla <aru_dulla > > >> wrote: > >>> Dear friends..I have a small doubt. I know that venus is the > >>> significator for vehicles. But what planet signifies driving? How do > >>> we see whether a person is a good driver or not as driving a vehicle > >>> requires one to be confident and alert at the same time. What planets > >>> and placements should we check for this? Can someone please comment on > >>> this? > >>> > >>> regards > >>> Aru > >>> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 3, 2007 Report Share Posted March 3, 2007 +om gurave namah+ Dear Rafal I have Moon in 6th from Mars - how do you think is my reflex?? Best wishes and warm regards, Sanjay Rath Webpages: http://SRath.com Founder: http://SriJagannath.org Editor: http://TheJyotishDigest.com sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of Rafal GendarzFriday, March 02, 2007 10:07 PMsohamsa Subject: Re: Driving II hraum namah adityaya II Dear Aru , Namaskar One thing is driving, second thing are abilities which makes one GOOD DRIVER.Reflex is very important - 3,6 from Mars associated with malefics. Also abilitiy for imagination of potential danger and alternatives, smoothness of moves, inteligence etc. Regards, Rafal Gendarz, www.rohinaa.com Aravinda napisa³(a): Dear friends..I have a small doubt. I know that venus is the significator for vehicles. But what planet signifies driving? How do we see whether a person is a good driver or not as driving a vehicle requires one to be confident and alert at the same time. What planets and placements should we check for this? Can someone please comment on this?regardsAru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 3, 2007 Report Share Posted March 3, 2007 Om Kirshna Guru Dear Sanjay ji, Namaste Oh, that’s pretty good reflex, considering the fact you have not been on this list for eons )!! Love, Swee On 3/3/07 6:13 PM, " Sanjay Rath " <sanjayrath +om gurave namah+ Dear Rafal I have Moon in 6th from Mars - how do you think is my reflex?? Best wishes and warm regards, Sanjay Rath Webpages: http://SRath.com <http://srath.com/> Founder: http://SriJagannath.org <http://.org/> Editor: http://TheJyotishDigest.com <http://thejyotishdigest.com/> sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of Rafal Gendarz Friday, March 02, 2007 10:07 PM sohamsa Re: Driving II hraum namah adityaya II Dear Aru , Namaskar One thing is driving, second thing are abilities which makes one GOOD DRIVER. Reflex is very important - 3,6 from Mars associated with malefics. Also abilitiy for imagination of potential danger and alternatives, smoothness of moves, inteligence etc. Regards, Rafal Gendarz, www.rohinaa.com <http://www.rohinaa.com> Aravinda napisa³(a): Dear friends..I have a small doubt. I know that venus is the significator for vehicles. But what planet signifies driving? How do we see whether a person is a good driver or not as driving a vehicle requires one to be confident and alert at the same time. What planets and placements should we check for this? Can someone please comment on this? regards Aru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 4, 2007 Report Share Posted March 4, 2007 II hraum namah adityaya II Dear Guruji , Namaskar Sixth bhava would have more to say with reaction's while third with actions in sense of defense. In Your case Mangal lords the third and Rahu/Sani lords the sixth. Sarpa Yoga and Mangal in badhaksthan (lot of agni tattwa) aspecting Lagna will change a lot. You have also Scorpio Lagna with Ketu which gives agni tattwa within realm of Tapasvi Yoga. I think Your reflex is good but there can be many mistakes due to Ketu in Arudhapada (the most with medicines / health as You once told in Your lecture, Guruji). Mangal in D30 Lagna will also give reflex. Regards, Rafal Gendarz, www.rohinaa.com Sanjay Rath napisa³(a): +om gurave namah+ Dear Rafal I have Moon in 6th from Mars - how do you think is my reflex?? Best wishes and warm regards, Sanjay Rath Webpages: http://SRath.com Founder: http://SriJagannath.org Editor: http://TheJyotishDigest.com sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of Rafal Gendarz Friday, March 02, 2007 10:07 PM sohamsa Re: Driving II hraum namah adityaya II Dear Aru , Namaskar One thing is driving, second thing are abilities which makes one GOOD DRIVER. Reflex is very important - 3,6 from Mars associated with malefics. Also abilitiy for imagination of potential danger and alternatives, smoothness of moves, inteligence etc. Regards, Rafal Gendarz, www.rohinaa.com Aravinda napisa³(a): Dear friends..I have a small doubt. I know that venus is the significator for vehicles. But what planet signifies driving? How do we see whether a person is a good driver or not as driving a vehicle requires one to be confident and alert at the same time. What planets and placements should we check for this? Can someone please comment on this? regards Aru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 4, 2007 Report Share Posted March 4, 2007 Hare Rama Krsna Dear Swee ji, Aru ji and others, Namaskar. Driving requires mechanical skills-gross and fine motor skills too apart from good judgement and decisiveness. So Mars is also an important indicator/significator for driving anything associated with mechanics. This is an observation of a novice, so I would prefer commments of learned gurujis. What would the effect be, I wonder when Venus, Karaka for vehicles and Mars(exalted) are yuti in a dusthana, 8th lorded by Saturn, aspected by Rahu in Kanya and AL. I request inputs from the learned. Regards Nalini Swamy Swee Chan <sweechanSohamsa <sohamsa >Sunday, 4 March, 2007 4:44:57 AMRe: Re: Driving Jaya JagannathaDear Aru,NamasteWhy not? Why give your child the lego set? If there is no co-ordination, the person can’t even work out how to drive an automatic.Love,SweeOn 3/3/07 11:10 AM, "Aravinda" <aru_dulla > Dear jyotishas... I personally think driving has to do with skill. So, 3rd house must play a part in this. Driving also needs judgement and balance. I wonder how to look for these aspects. And Swee...I don't know how Mars has anything to do with driving. Judgement and decision making are related to Jupiter and Mercury. Please comment.regardsArusohamsa@ .com <sohamsa% 40. com> , Swee Chan <sweechan wrote:>> > Jaya Jagannatha> > Please! Venus IS karaka for vehicle, Mars is karaka for precision in> judgment and snap decisions. Jupiter is karaka for hearing.> > Swee> > > On 3/2/07 6:02 PM, "kishore patnaik" <kishorepatnaik09@ ....>> > > > > > > > > > > dear sanjay, > > > > it is rahu who is karaka for the vehicles and venus, the enjoyment of using a> > vehicle You might be having well placed rahu to buy a vehicle but if venus is> > weak, you will not use the vehicle.> > > > On the other hand, if your rahu is not well placed you may not have a vehicle> > at all but you will enjoy all the vehilces in the world thanks to your strong> > venus. > > > > On the other hand, skill in r handling a vehicle or an animal is seen from> > 3rd house in D16> > > > regards, > > > > Kishore patnaik > > > > > > On 3/1/07, Sanjay Prabhakaran <sanjaychettiar@ ...> wrote:> >> || Om Gurave Namah ||> >> Dear Aru,> >> > >> The kaaraka gives the object and also the knowledge to use it.> >> Hence I would say that Venus is the kaaraka for driving also.> >> > >> Usually the 4th house from a given house gives practical education on the> >> bhaava. > >> The 7th Hence (4th from 4th) would be the bhaava of how you learn driving.> >> Warm Regards> >> Sanjay P> >> > >> > >> > >> On 3/1/07, Aravinda < aru_dulla@.. . <aru_dulla@ ...> >> >> wrote: > >>> Dear friends..I have a small doubt. I know that venus is the> >>> significator for vehicles. But what planet signifies driving? How do> >>> we see whether a person is a good driver or not as driving a vehicle> >>> requires one to be confident and alert at the same time. What planets> >>> and placements should we check for this? Can someone please comment on> >>> this?> >>> > >>> regards> >>> Aru> >>> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > >> Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 4, 2007 Report Share Posted March 4, 2007 || Om Gurave Namah :: Om Namo Naaraayanaaya || Namasthe Rafal, Scorpio Lagna in Navamsa ! ! ! Ketu in Arudhapada is in Rasi ! ! ! Best wishes, Shailesh - Rafal Gendarz sohamsa Sunday, March 04, 2007 5:23 AM Re: Driving II hraum namah adityaya II Dear Guruji , Namaskar Sixth bhava would have more to say with reaction's while third with actions in sense of defense. In Your case Mangal lords the third and Rahu/Sani lords the sixth. Sarpa Yoga and Mangal in badhaksthan (lot of agni tattwa) aspecting Lagna will change a lot. You have also Scorpio Lagna with Ketu which gives agni tattwa within realm of Tapasvi Yoga. I think Your reflex is good but there can be many mistakes due to Ketu in Arudhapada (the most with medicines / health as You once told in Your lecture, Guruji). Mangal in D30 Lagna will also give reflex. Regards, Rafal Gendarz, www.rohinaa.comSanjay Rath napisa³(a): +om gurave namah+ Dear Rafal I have Moon in 6th from Mars - how do you think is my reflex?? Best wishes and warm regards, Sanjay Rath Webpages: http://SRath.com Founder: http://SriJagannath.org Editor: http://TheJyotishDigest.com sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of Rafal GendarzFriday, March 02, 2007 10:07 PMsohamsa Subject: Re: Driving II hraum namah adityaya II Dear Aru , Namaskar One thing is driving, second thing are abilities which makes one GOOD DRIVER.Reflex is very important - 3,6 from Mars associated with malefics. Also abilitiy for imagination of potential danger and alternatives, smoothness of moves, inteligence etc. Regards, Rafal Gendarz, www.rohinaa.com Aravinda napisa³(a): Dear friends..I have a small doubt. I know that venus is the significator for vehicles. But what planet signifies driving? How do we see whether a person is a good driver or not as driving a vehicle requires one to be confident and alert at the same time. What planets and placements should we check for this? Can someone please comment on this?regardsAru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 4, 2007 Report Share Posted March 4, 2007 Dear Aru, I think differently here. I believe that Without Saturn, Control is unimaginable. 1) Most of the true spiritualist has Influence of Saturn over moon in their chart. It is eveident that they realised the truth with the Control of Mind. 2) Without control of Saturn, Jupiter becomes theorist - Pundit with only book knowledge - check chart of Sanjay Rath & other many scholars who has saturn's control on Guru 3) Mars becomes madly agressive if not checked by saturn. the energy may be wasted. 4) Saturn is the major influence along with ketu which brings forth 'Tapaswi' when they control Venus. just few thoughts. The idea is borrowed from Shri Ashwin Rawal who wrote am wonderful article regarding Saturn a controlling factor many years ago. warm regards, Utpal sohamsa , " Aravinda " <aru_dulla wrote: > > Dear Utpal...control is not indicated by Saturn. Controlling the > vehicle or in other words balance of the vehicle depends on other > factors. I am guessing Mercury has a lot to do with reflexes and hence > balancing the vehicle. Mars gives the energy and the logic to make a > judgement. > > regards > Aru > > sohamsa , Utpal Pathak <vedic_pathak@> wrote: > > > > Dear Aru, > > > > In addition to what Sri Sanjay has said, i would like to add that > *Driving* is essentially *controlling* & hence i would like to see > Shani dev's positive influence in a chart of good driver. > > > > regards, > > > > Utpal Pathak > > > > > > > > Cheap Talk? Check out Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 4, 2007 Report Share Posted March 4, 2007 Hare Rama Krishna Pranam Rafalji. I`m interested to know why do you judge position from the Moon. Also reflex should be related to Budha as it is exanging the information between the brain and the organ and action should be Mars. Perception (Venus) is important factor for driving too and could be responsible for coordination, or is it akasha tatwa (Guru)? I hope You`ll clear my doubts. Regards, Nixen sohamsa , Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme wrote: > > II hraum namah adityaya II > Dear Guruji , Namaskar > -- ---- > Sixth bhava would have more to say with reaction's while third with > actions in sense of defense. In Your case Mangal lords the third and > Rahu/Sani lords the sixth. Sarpa Yoga and Mangal in badhaksthan (lot of > agni tattwa) aspecting Lagna will change a lot. You have also Scorpio > Lagna with Ketu which gives agni tattwa within realm of Tapasvi Yoga. I > think Your reflex is good but there can be many mistakes due to Ketu in > Arudhapada (the most with medicines / health as You once told in Your > lecture, Guruji). Mangal in D30 Lagna will also give reflex. > -- ---- > Regards, > *Rafal Gendarz,* > www.rohinaa.com <http://www.rohinaa.com> > > > Sanjay Rath napisa³(a): > > > > > > > > *+om gurave namah+* > > Dear Rafal > > I have Moon in 6th from Mars - how do you think is my reflex?? > > Best wishes and warm regards, > > Sanjay Rath > > Webpages: http://SRath.com <http://srath.com/> > > Founder: http://SriJagannath.org <http://.org/> > > Editor: http://TheJyotishDigest.com <http://thejyotishdigest.com/> > > > > > > > > ------ > > ** sohamsa [sohamsa ] *On > > Behalf Of *Rafal Gendarz > > *Sent:* Friday, March 02, 2007 10:07 PM > > *To:* sohamsa > > *Subject:* Re: Driving > > > > II hraum namah adityaya II > > Dear Aru , Namaskar > > ------ > > One thing is driving, second thing are abilities which makes one GOOD > > DRIVER. > > > > Reflex is very important - 3,6 from Mars associated with malefics. > > > > Also abilitiy for imagination of potential danger and alternatives, > > smoothness of moves, inteligence etc. > > > > ------ > > Regards, > > *Rafal Gendarz,* > > www.rohinaa.com <http://www.rohinaa.com> > > > > > > > > Aravinda napisa³(a): > >> > >> Dear friends..I have a small doubt. I know that venus is the > >> significator for vehicles. But what planet signifies driving? How do > >> we see whether a person is a good driver or not as driving a vehicle > >> requires one to be confident and alert at the same time. What planets > >> and placements should we check for this? Can someone please comment on > >> this? > >> > >> regards > >> Aru > >> > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 4, 2007 Report Share Posted March 4, 2007 II hraum namah adityaya II Dear Nixen , Namaskar There were many grahas proposed by Jyotishas like Venus, Guru, Mangal & now Buddha...all can be part of something we called reflex..the closest is Mangal of course but the substance which enables one to be good driver is not only reflex. Im waiting from Sanjay Ji final response. I call it final because of its broadness and authority. Regards, Rafal Gendarz, www.rohinaa.com nix_nixen napisał(a): Hare Rama Krishna Pranam Rafalji. I`m interested to know why do you judge position from the Moon. Also reflex should be related to Budha as it is exanging the information between the brain and the organ and action should be Mars. Perception (Venus) is important factor for driving too and could be responsible for coordination, or is it akasha tatwa (Guru)? I hope You`ll clear my doubts. Regards, Nixen sohamsa , Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme wrote: > > II hraum namah adityaya II > Dear Guruji , Namaskar > ------------------------- ---- > Sixth bhava would have more to say with reaction's while third with > actions in sense of defense. In Your case Mangal lords the third and > Rahu/Sani lords the sixth. Sarpa Yoga and Mangal in badhaksthan (lot of > agni tattwa) aspecting Lagna will change a lot. You have also Scorpio > Lagna with Ketu which gives agni tattwa within realm of Tapasvi Yoga. I > think Your reflex is good but there can be many mistakes due to Ketu in > Arudhapada (the most with medicines / health as You once told in Your > lecture, Guruji). Mangal in D30 Lagna will also give reflex. > ------------------------- ---- > Regards, > *Rafal Gendarz,* > www.rohinaa.com <http://www.rohinaa.com> > > > Sanjay Rath napisa³(a): > > > > > > > > *+om gurave namah+* > > Dear Rafal > > I have Moon in 6th from Mars - how do you think is my reflex?? > > Best wishes and warm regards, > > Sanjay Rath > > Webpages: http://SRath.com <http://srath.com/> > > Founder: http://SriJagannath.org <http://.org/> > > Editor: http://TheJyotishDigest.com <http://thejyotishdigest.com/> > > > > > > > > ------------------------- ------ > > ** sohamsa [sohamsa ] *On > > Behalf Of *Rafal Gendarz > > *Sent:* Friday, March 02, 2007 10:07 PM > > *To:* sohamsa > > *Subject:* Re: Driving > > > > II hraum namah adityaya II > > Dear Aru , Namaskar > > ------------------------- ------ > > One thing is driving, second thing are abilities which makes one GOOD > > DRIVER. > > > > Reflex is very important - 3,6 from Mars associated with malefics. > > > > Also abilitiy for imagination of potential danger and alternatives, > > smoothness of moves, inteligence etc. > > > > ------------------------- ------ > > Regards, > > *Rafal Gendarz,* > > www.rohinaa.com <http://www.rohinaa.com> > > > > > > > > Aravinda napisa³(a): > >> > >> Dear friends..I have a small doubt. I know that venus is the > >> significator for vehicles. But what planet signifies driving? How do > >> we see whether a person is a good driver or not as driving a vehicle > >> requires one to be confident and alert at the same time. What planets > >> and placements should we check for this? Can someone please comment on > >> this? > >> > >> regards > >> Aru > >> > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 5, 2007 Report Share Posted March 5, 2007 +om gurave namah+ Dear Rafal All these devas actualy work through the mana, and hence the mind is crucial. All reactions etc are based on the quality of the mind, the Moon. Detailed list is in Saravali with results of planetary aspect on the Moon in signs. Remember the Gita... The Moon is the charioteer, th Sun sits in the chariot and the body is the chariot. Who is going to be my minds charioteer is the question of the Gita. So it is the Moon that gives the driving skills. what is being driven, the conveyance is from Venus. The one enjoying the drive is the Sun. The Moon usesall the other grahas/devas to control and run the vehicle. Jup/Ven give the guidance...turn right, turn left. Venus shows the practicality in driving, Jupter shows the subtle sixth sense that connects with all other drivers on the road and keeps millions of people driving with a minimum of accidents. Jupiter really protects as it gives the awareness of driving rules while venus gives the awareness of the vehicle that is being driven. Mars is the rashness that comes to the mind that causes accidents as Jupiter fails in front of this madness - remember how thay exalt in opposite signs. Saturn is the forgetfulness by which one loses the way Rahu is the craziness that seizes people when they drive races while going to office! Ketu is the mistake that leads to an accident. Buddha is the use of special navigation tools that help steer the course as Buddha knows geography - thats wh he gets prthvi tatva. ....so many do so many things. ok what was the question? Best wishes and warm regards, Sanjay Rath Webpages: http://SRath.com Founder: http://SriJagannath.org Editor: http://TheJyotishDigest.com sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of Rafal GendarzMonday, March 05, 2007 3:25 AMsohamsa Subject: Re: Re: Driving II hraum namah adityaya II Dear Nixen , Namaskar There were many grahas proposed by Jyotishas like Venus, Guru, Mangal & now Buddha...all can be part of something we called reflex..the closest is Mangal of course but the substance which enables one to be good driver is not only reflex. Im waiting from Sanjay Ji final response. I call it final because of its broadness and authority. Regards, Rafal Gendarz, www.rohinaa.comnix_nixen napisaù(a): Hare Rama KrishnaPranam Rafalji.I`m interested to know why do you judge position from the Moon. Also reflex should be related to Budha as it is exanging the information between the brain and the organ and action should be Mars. Perception (Venus) is important factor for driving too and could be responsible for coordination, or is it akasha tatwa (Guru)? I hope You`ll clear my doubts.Regards,Nixensohamsa , Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme wrote:>> II hraum namah adityaya II> Dear Guruji , Namaskar> -----------------------------> Sixth bhava would have more to say with reaction's while third with > actions in sense of defense. In Your case Mangal lords the third and > Rahu/Sani lords the sixth. Sarpa Yoga and Mangal in badhaksthan (lot of > agni tattwa) aspecting Lagna will change a lot. You have also Scorpio > Lagna with Ketu which gives agni tattwa within realm of Tapasvi Yoga. I > think Your reflex is good but there can be many mistakes due to Ketu in > Arudhapada (the most with medicines / health as You once told in Your > lecture, Guruji). Mangal in D30 Lagna will also give reflex.> -----------------------------> Regards,> *Rafal Gendarz,*> www.rohinaa.com <http://www.rohinaa.com>> > > Sanjay Rath napisa³(a):> >> > > > > > *+om gurave namah+*> > Dear Rafal> > I have Moon in 6th from Mars - how do you think is my reflex??> > Best wishes and warm regards,> > Sanjay Rath> > Webpages: http://SRath.com <http://srath.com/>> > Founder: http://SriJagannath.org <http://.org/>> > Editor: http://TheJyotishDigest.com <http://thejyotishdigest.com/>> > > > > >> > -------------------------------> > ** sohamsa [sohamsa ] *On > > Behalf Of *Rafal Gendarz> > *Sent:* Friday, March 02, 2007 10:07 PM> > *To:* sohamsa > > *Subject:* Re: Driving> >> > II hraum namah adityaya II> > Dear Aru , Namaskar> > -------------------------------> > One thing is driving, second thing are abilities which makes one GOOD > > DRIVER.> >> > Reflex is very important - 3,6 from Mars associated with malefics.> >> > Also abilitiy for imagination of potential danger and alternatives, > > smoothness of moves, inteligence etc.> >> > -------------------------------> > Regards,> > *Rafal Gendarz,*> > www.rohinaa.com <http://www.rohinaa.com>> > > >> >> > Aravinda napisa³(a):> >>> >> Dear friends..I have a small doubt. I know that venus is the> >> significator for vehicles. But what planet signifies driving? How do> >> we see whether a person is a good driver or not as driving a vehicle> >> requires one to be confident and alert at the same time. What planets> >> and placements should we check for this? Can someone please comment on> >> this?> >>> >> regards> >> Aru> >>> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 5, 2007 Report Share Posted March 5, 2007 Dear Aru, I just remembered the Chart of Shri Krishna. The expert *Driver* drove to victory, the Rath, from one of the most horrible traffic of Mahabharat war AND one looks at the Saturn's strength in the chart. Digbali, aspecting Lagna & exalted Moon as well as 4th house. regards, utpal sohamsa , " utpal pathak " <vedic_pathak wrote: > > Dear Aru, > > I think differently here. I believe that Without Saturn, Control is > unimaginable. > > 1) Most of the true spiritualist has Influence of Saturn over moon in > their chart. It is eveident that they realised the truth with the > Control of Mind. > > 2) Without control of Saturn, Jupiter becomes theorist - Pundit with > only book knowledge - check chart of Sanjay Rath & other many > scholars who has saturn's control on Guru > > 3) Mars becomes madly agressive if not checked by saturn. the energy > may be wasted. > > 4) Saturn is the major influence along with ketu which brings > forth 'Tapaswi' when they control Venus. > > > just few thoughts. The idea is borrowed from Shri Ashwin Rawal who > wrote am wonderful article regarding Saturn a controlling factor many > years ago. > > warm regards, > > Utpal > > sohamsa , " Aravinda " <aru_dulla@> wrote: > > > > Dear Utpal...control is not indicated by Saturn. Controlling the > > vehicle or in other words balance of the vehicle depends on other > > factors. I am guessing Mercury has a lot to do with reflexes and > hence > > balancing the vehicle. Mars gives the energy and the logic to make > a > > judgement. > > > > regards > > Aru > > > > sohamsa , Utpal Pathak <vedic_pathak@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Aru, > > > > > > In addition to what Sri Sanjay has said, i would like to add > that > > *Driving* is essentially *controlling* & hence i would like to see > > Shani dev's positive influence in a chart of good driver. > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > Utpal Pathak > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheap Talk? Check out Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call > rates. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 5, 2007 Report Share Posted March 5, 2007 II hraum namah adityaya II Dear Guruji , Namaskar Now in Your beatiful presentation You mix the vehicle of body and vehicle as car altough this allegory should give the answer to our questions. From Your text it seems that all grahas has their own say in making one good driver while we were seeking from culprint. You wrote about moon as giving of driving skills because of special position in whole structure - that was interesting. We can discuss if the fact that the Moon is a central tool to give this ability makes it most important. You also divide benefic and malefics as givers of strength (ju) and weaknesses (sa) - this can be overgeneralization as Mangal still can give part of ability. I cant say about Rahu and Sani as they disturb / debilitate akash tattwa which disturb contact / action with sixth sense. Please broaden the topic about craziness of Rahu in this scheme. Regards, Rafal Gendarz, www.rohinaa.com Sanjay Rath napisaù(a): +om gurave namah+ Dear Rafal All these devas actualy work through the mana, and hence the mind is crucial. All reactions etc are based on the quality of the mind, the Moon. Detailed list is in Saravali with results of planetary aspect on the Moon in signs. Remember the Gita... The Moon is the charioteer, th Sun sits in the chariot and the body is the chariot. Who is going to be my minds charioteer is the question of the Gita. So it is the Moon that gives the driving skills. what is being driven, the conveyance is from Venus. The one enjoying the drive is the Sun. The Moon usesall the other grahas/devas to control and run the vehicle. Jup/Ven give the guidance...turn right, turn left. Venus shows the practicality in driving, Jupter shows the subtle sixth sense that connects with all other drivers on the road and keeps millions of people driving with a minimum of accidents. Jupiter really protects as it gives the awareness of driving rules while venus gives the awareness of the vehicle that is being driven. Mars is the rashness that comes to the mind that causes accidents as Jupiter fails in front of this madness - remember how thay exalt in opposite signs. Saturn is the forgetfulness by which one loses the way Rahu is the craziness that seizes people when they drive races while going to office! Ketu is the mistake that leads to an accident. Buddha is the use of special navigation tools that help steer the course as Buddha knows geography - thats wh he gets prthvi tatva. ....so many do so many things. ok what was the question? Best wishes and warm regards, Sanjay Rath Webpages: http://SRath.com Founder: http://SriJagannath.org Editor: http://TheJyotishDigest.com sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of Rafal Gendarz Monday, March 05, 2007 3:25 AM sohamsa Re: Re: Driving II hraum namah adityaya II Dear Nixen , Namaskar There were many grahas proposed by Jyotishas like Venus, Guru, Mangal & now Buddha...all can be part of something we called reflex..the closest is Mangal of course but the substance which enables one to be good driver is not only reflex. Im waiting from Sanjay Ji final response. I call it final because of its broadness and authority. Regards, Rafal Gendarz, www.rohinaa.com nix_nixen napisaù(a): Hare Rama Krishna Pranam Rafalji. I`m interested to know why do you judge position from the Moon. Also reflex should be related to Budha as it is exanging the information between the brain and the organ and action should be Mars. Perception (Venus) is important factor for driving too and could be responsible for coordination, or is it akasha tatwa (Guru)? I hope You`ll clear my doubts. Regards, Nixen sohamsa , Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme wrote: > > II hraum namah adityaya II > Dear Guruji , Namaskar > ------------------------- ---- > Sixth bhava would have more to say with reaction's while third with > actions in sense of defense. In Your case Mangal lords the third and > Rahu/Sani lords the sixth. Sarpa Yoga and Mangal in badhaksthan (lot of > agni tattwa) aspecting Lagna will change a lot. You have also Scorpio > Lagna with Ketu which gives agni tattwa within realm of Tapasvi Yoga. I > think Your reflex is good but there can be many mistakes due to Ketu in > Arudhapada (the most with medicines / health as You once told in Your > lecture, Guruji). Mangal in D30 Lagna will also give reflex. > ------------------------- ---- > Regards, > *Rafal Gendarz,* > www.rohinaa.com <http://www.rohinaa.com> > > > Sanjay Rath napisa³(a): > > > > > > > > *+om gurave namah+* > > Dear Rafal > > I have Moon in 6th from Mars - how do you think is my reflex?? > > Best wishes and warm regards, > > Sanjay Rath > > Webpages: http://SRath.com <http://srath.com/> > > Founder: http://SriJagannath.org <http://.org/> > > Editor: http://TheJyotishDigest.com <http://thejyotishdigest.com/> > > > > > > > > ------------------------- ------ > > ** sohamsa [sohamsa ] *On > > Behalf Of *Rafal Gendarz > > *Sent:* Friday, March 02, 2007 10:07 PM > > *To:* sohamsa > > *Subject:* Re: Driving > > > > II hraum namah adityaya II > > Dear Aru , Namaskar > > ------------------------- ------ > > One thing is driving, second thing are abilities which makes one GOOD > > DRIVER. > > > > Reflex is very important - 3,6 from Mars associated with malefics. > > > > Also abilitiy for imagination of potential danger and alternatives, > > smoothness of moves, inteligence etc. > > > > ------------------------- ------ > > Regards, > > *Rafal Gendarz,* > > www.rohinaa.com <http://www.rohinaa.com> > > > > > > > > Aravinda napisa³(a): > >> > >> Dear friends..I have a small doubt. I know that venus is the > >> significator for vehicles. But what planet signifies driving? How do > >> we see whether a person is a good driver or not as driving a vehicle > >> requires one to be confident and alert at the same time. What planets > >> and placements should we check for this? Can someone please comment on > >> this? > >> > >> regards > >> Aru > >> > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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