Guest guest Posted February 16, 2007 Report Share Posted February 16, 2007 +om gurave namah+ Dear Vinita What is now? Can you define it for me? Is it this moment we are breathing? Then this would be the lifetime of so many germs and smaller insects. Is it the hour, the muhurta, day, week, fornight, month, two-months, 6 months or year? What is your definition of now? Second question: How can we totally accept the full responsibility of something we know nothing about? Can you tell me what karma you did in thelast birth that has caused this incarnation as Vinita? Is there any means of knowing this other than Jyotish which alone is the foundation for this? Even if by meditation one does get siddhi to see the past, then this siddhi is called *Jyotish*. Third Question: How can we live fully? What is full living?? Fourth Question: How can we live intensely? What is intense living? Fifth Question: What is attention and attention to what? Take a moment in ones life - the following things are happening, lets say (1) phone is ringing (2) child wants to skip school (3) husband wants lunch for office (4) you have to rush to office, and (5) you have not yet done your prayers and meditation... can you tell us how to live for this moment? All logic and arguments are fine if they can address the real life situation, else they are but another philosophy. It is the fear of the future, the life after death that makes men behave normally in society, else why would anyone be afraid of murder or other evil acts? Fear or insecurity is the begining of wisdom, but it should not end there. ....and my Guru taught me, Never to live for Yesterday as that was what had to happen and only fools cry over spilt milk Never to live for Today as only the selfish ones think of themseles and fall into the dungeons of bad karma neglecting the future consequences of their actions Never to live for Tomorrow, as tomorrow never comes. If you have to live, live like an Immortal, else every other way is but a sure path of return in the hands of Kaala (time). om namah shivaaya namah amarnaathaya om-kaaraaya namo namah May He grant us that will and courage to outlive time... Best wishes and warm regards, Sanjay Rath Webpages: http://SRath.com Founder: http://SriJagannath.org Editor: http://TheJyotishDigest.com sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of vinita kumarThursday, February 15, 2007 3:32 PMsohamsa Subject: Re: Fwd: Vivekananda and astrology Asato maa SadgamayaTamaso maa JyotirgamayaMrityo maa AmritamgamayaYes the light continues to shine - from the Vedas - from the ancient texts - from the words of gurus. The viberations of the words ring on and on. OF course, with the layers and layers of our ignorance our antennaes may not be tuned to the vibrations and it may be all overhead transmission.I don't know whether knowing the level of our ignorance or otherwise some gurus have said that it is only NOW or the PRESENT MOMENT that matters. If we can live fully and intensely and with all the attention / awareness / consciousness in the present moment, astrology loses relevance.For what is past but our karma and what is future but our desire? If we totally accept the result of our Karma with full responsibility (response - ability) then do we not in some ways become free of our past? And if we don't dream of our future do we not become free of desire? So should we not just live in the PRESENT? But then in the PRESENT astrology has no meaning.These are words of my guru that i am still mulling over.There is no offence meant to any.BTW, the same guru says that on Maha Shivratri there is a special conjugation of planets that is very conducive for spiritual growth if we keep awake the whole night in celebration and in a meditative mood!!!sohamsa , "Soul Sadhak" <soulsadhak wrote:>> The Light continues to Shine> > what do one say to those > who choose to close their eyes to it > what does one say to those> who r in process of playing hide and seek with it> > our prayer remains...> > Asato maa Sadgamaya> Asato maa Jyotirgamaya> > sohamsa , "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" <pvr@> > wrote:> > Namaste friends,> > I know that this issue of Swami Vivekananda dismissing fate and > astrology in a lecture came up earlier also. Let me share my 2 cents > on that.> > > let's not be oblivious to some rather famous and great names of > the past> > being skeptical of astrology. If we penned a list, Swami > Vivekananda would> > be certainly be the top seed.> > Suppose I am watching a movie with my children. Suppose the hero, > who my child self-identifies with while watching the movie, is badly > hurt by the villain. Suppose my child is very badly upset because of > it. If my child is mature enough, I can explain that this movie is > not really happening (even though it seems to happen live on the big > screen in front of us) and hence one need not worry about > a "delusion" that is playing out on the screen. However, if another > child of mine is not mature enough to understand and appreciate > that, I may not want to confuse. I may just re-assure that the hero > is after all going to be fine and recover to hit back at the villain > soon. If I have means to guess it, I may even guess that the hero is > going to hit back after 5 minutes 20 seconds. That makes the child > happy. This is bad in a way because the child will continue to stay > in the delusion that what is happening on the screen is real in some > way and it is ok to be emotionally affected by it. But, that child > is not ready for more.> > If my answer to a child in a simplistic scenario such as the above > (if you can, please note that some details in this example are > carefully chosen to reflect on the role of astrology/astrologer) can > be different based on my perception of the maturity level of the > child, why can't the answers of a spiritual master to seekers be > different based on the maturity level of the audience?> > Swami Vivekananda was a great teacher of masses and he did not want > to confuse his audiences. He would focus on one point, based on his > audience, and drive his point passionately. Because of the passion > to drive his point home, he would sometimes over-state something, > strictly within a particular context. If you take it out of context, > it loses its meaning.> > In the context of this world appearance being a delusion and in the > context of one having to rise above it and not be bound by the > delusion of world appearance, it is completely true that astrology > is a useless subject. But, if you take the context away and come to > the context of a normal layman's daily life, then astrology is a > very useful subject (assuming you have a genuine, learned and honest > astrologer helping you).> > Bottomline is that not every statement made by Swami Vivekananda > represents his real view. After all, he is a rishi. His > understanding is so subtle and supreme that it cannot be completely > captured by his audience listening to his lecture (vaikhari). The > lecture only captures a small portion of his understanding. The > audience of his lecture is akin to my children who listen to me in > the example at the beginning of this mail! My answers are fine-tuned > for each child and they do not reflect my complete views. Same holds > for Swami Vivekananda's lectures.> > People have taken a statement of Swami Vivekananda out of context > and jumped to a conclusion that he questioned astrology. It is one > thing to question the sincerity of most astrologers, the correctness > of astrology as understood today and the validity of overly relying > on astrology, but quite another to absolutely dismiss fate and > astrology. A reborn rishi like Swami Vivekananda simply could not > have dismissed a Vedanga altogether. I am 100% sure that Swami > Vivekananda's said quote is a misunderstood one.> > In fact, I understand that Swami Vivekananda had a passing knowledge > of astrology and he referred to a printed panchange before > withdrawing into his room for his mahasamadhi. Some of his close > associates, such as Swami Vijnanananda, were scholars of Jyotisha.> > May the light of Brahman shine within,> Narasimha > -------------------------> Homam manual and audio: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam> Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net> Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org> -------------------------> > --- End forwarded message ---> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 17, 2007 Report Share Posted February 17, 2007 Hi all, One could read the book " The Power of NOW " to deliberate more on this subject of " NOW " . Of course, this is nothing new. The same essense can be found in our ancient teachings. Proabably, it is packaged differently for the modern readers. Regards, Krishna --- vinita kumar <shankar_mamta wrote: > Dear Sanjayji, > > I am happy that u have responded :) > > Your message is full of ??? and i don't have the answers to be > frank. > I am just experimenting with life like so many others by > trying to > act on my guru's words. My guru says that if one is to > understand > things there is no substitute for direct experience. There are > many > things which cannot be understood by intellect or even logic. > But i > still dont have the experience of the real thing because i > dont know > what is real.I have unfortunately not been able to go beyond > the mind > and the body for any experience. > > But there are some experiences that i have had which have made > me > look at life in a different perspective after meeting my guru. > Now > this perspectve may not be " right " according to some, or it > may may > change with time even for me...but that is how it is for me > now. > > What is now? To me it is this very moment of which i am > conscious. > What happened one moment ago is past. I was concious in that > moment > one moment ago but now i am in this moment. The next moment i > have no > idea about. Of course, it will depend on my past karma, but i > am not > conscious of my past karma, so how do i know what is there for > me in > the next moment? So i am only conscious of this PRESENT > moment. > > As for this one moment being a lifetime for an insect - that > may be > so. I am not concerned with the relative aspect of time. > > 2nd question is about responsibility. This has been the most > powerful > experience for me, thanks to my guru. This present moment is > inevitable, he says. By accepting this i have experienced a > great > sense of freedom. I accept whatever is to happen to me. But my > > response to this moment is entirely in my hands and is > dictated by my > consciousness. So i am conscious that this had to happen to me > but > how i act in this moment is entirely up to me. My guru says > that this > moment is full of a million possibilities. So i have to choose > > depending on my vivek and my conciuosness how i have to act in > this > moment. > > the 3rd, 4th, 5th questions are just one. The moment i am > fully > attentive and aware that this moment is inevitable and i have > to > act / respond in the best manner possible in this conscious > state, i > naturally make a choice about what is best. The best may be a > " wrong " > choice according to another, but it is my conciuos choice in > this > moment for which i am fully responsible. > > Conciousness may deepen with time. So initially though i may > act for > just myself in the present moment without thinking too much > about > others, with the " desire " to deepen my conciousness, I may > start > seeing myself in " others " and keep on widening my conciousness > so > that " i " becomes smaller and smaller and the " other " grows and > grows, > or to put it differently, the " i " merges with the " other " .The > mother/wife who races against time to pack the tiffin for her > children, attend to the breakfast of her husband, and juggle > so many > balls at the same time is just giving her " all " to this > moment. The > family is all important to her. > > But then the concept of family too can widen to cover more and > more > people or even plants and animals. > > i am concious that this level of conciuosness may take > lifetimes. > > But it is an interesting journey, nevertheless. > > My experience with taking past as dead (even though it governs > some > of my present actions thru conditioning, past memories, etc.) > and > taking future as a hallucination, and jsut livng in the NOW > has > enriched my life in many ways and given me a new found > freedom. OF > course this has been supported by committment to sadhana too > without > which many things would not have happened. > > Sorry, that this message has become so personal and so long > with my > ramblings. But i thought i will share this with u since u have > cared > to respond to something i had written in one of the messages. > And > also because u are responsible to some extent for my interest > in > astrology and the ancient scriptures which i am trying to read > these > days. > > Best wishes and warm regards, > > Vinita > > sohamsa , " Sanjay Rath " <sanjayrath > wrote: > > > > +om gurave namah+ > > Dear Vinita > > What is now? Can you define it for me? > > Is it this moment we are breathing? Then this would be the > lifetime > of so > > many germs and smaller insects. > > Is it the hour, the muhurta, day, week, fornight, month, > two- > months, 6 > > months or year? What is your definition of now? > > > > Second question: How can we totally accept the full > responsibility > of > > something we know nothing about? Can you tell me what karma > you did > in > > thelast birth that has caused this incarnation as Vinita? Is > there > any means > > of knowing this other than Jyotish which alone is the > foundation > for this? > > Even if by meditation one does get siddhi to see the past, > then > this siddhi > > is called *Jyotish*. > > > > Third Question: How can we live fully? What is full living?? > > > > > Fourth Question: How can we live intensely? What is intense > living? > > > > Fifth Question: What is attention and attention to what? > Take a > moment in > > ones life - the following things are happening, lets say (1) > phone > is > > ringing (2) child wants to skip school (3) husband wants > lunch for > office > > (4) you have to rush to office, and (5) you have not yet > done your > prayers > > and meditation... can you tell us how to live for this > moment? > > > > All logic and arguments are fine if they can address the > real life > > situation, else they are but another philosophy. It is the > fear of > the > > future, the life after death that makes men behave normally > in > society, else > > why would anyone be afraid of murder or other evil acts? > Fear or > insecurity > > is the begining of wisdom, but it should not end there. > > > > ...and my Guru taught me, > > > > Never to live for Yesterday as that was what had to happen > and === message truncated === Regards, Krishna http://astrokrishna.blogspot.com ______________________________\ ____ Get your own web address. Have a HUGE year through Small Business. http://smallbusiness./domains/?p=BESTDEAL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 17, 2007 Report Share Posted February 17, 2007 Sorry, I forgot to give the name of the author i my previous mail The book is authored by Eckhart Tolle. Regards, Krishna --- Krishnamurthy Seetharama <krishna_1998 wrote: > Hi all, > > One could read the book " The Power of NOW " to deliberate more > on > this subject of " NOW " . Of course, this is nothing new. The > same > essense can be found in our ancient teachings. Proabably, it > is > packaged differently for the modern readers. > > Regards, > Krishna > > --- vinita kumar <shankar_mamta wrote: > > > Dear Sanjayji, > > > > I am happy that u have responded :) > > > > Your message is full of ??? and i don't have the answers to > be > > frank. > > I am just experimenting with life like so many others by > > trying to > > act on my guru's words. My guru says that if one is to > > understand > > things there is no substitute for direct experience. There > are > > many > > things which cannot be understood by intellect or even > logic. > > But i > > still dont have the experience of the real thing because i > > dont know > > what is real.I have unfortunately not been able to go beyond > > the mind > > and the body for any experience. > > > > But there are some experiences that i have had which have > made > > me > > look at life in a different perspective after meeting my > guru. > > Now > > this perspectve may not be " right " according to some, or it > > may may > > change with time even for me...but that is how it is for me > > now. > > > > What is now? To me it is this very moment of which i am > > conscious. > > What happened one moment ago is past. I was concious in that > > moment > > one moment ago but now i am in this moment. The next moment > i > > have no > > idea about. Of course, it will depend on my past karma, but > i > > am not > > conscious of my past karma, so how do i know what is there > for > > me in > > the next moment? So i am only conscious of this PRESENT > > moment. > > > > As for this one moment being a lifetime for an insect - that > > may be > > so. I am not concerned with the relative aspect of time. > > > > 2nd question is about responsibility. This has been the most > > powerful > > experience for me, thanks to my guru. This present moment is > > > inevitable, he says. By accepting this i have experienced a > > great > > sense of freedom. I accept whatever is to happen to me. But > my > > > > response to this moment is entirely in my hands and is > > dictated by my > > consciousness. So i am conscious that this had to happen to > me > > but > > how i act in this moment is entirely up to me. My guru says > > that this > > moment is full of a million possibilities. So i have to > choose > > > > depending on my vivek and my conciuosness how i have to act > in > > this > > moment. > > > > the 3rd, 4th, 5th questions are just one. The moment i am > > fully > > attentive and aware that this moment is inevitable and i > have > > to > > act / respond in the best manner possible in this conscious > > state, i > > naturally make a choice about what is best. The best may be > a > > " wrong " > > choice according to another, but it is my conciuos choice in > > this > > moment for which i am fully responsible. > > > > Conciousness may deepen with time. So initially though i may > > act for > > just myself in the present moment without thinking too much > > about > > others, with the " desire " to deepen my conciousness, I may > > start > > seeing myself in " others " and keep on widening my > conciousness > > so > > that " i " becomes smaller and smaller and the " other " grows > and > > grows, > > or to put it differently, the " i " merges with the > " other " .The > > mother/wife who races against time to pack the tiffin for > her > > children, attend to the breakfast of her husband, and juggle > > so many > > balls at the same time is just giving her " all " to this > > moment. The > > family is all important to her. > > > > But then the concept of family too can widen to cover more > and > > more > > people or even plants and animals. > > > > i am concious that this level of conciuosness may take > > lifetimes. > > > > But it is an interesting journey, nevertheless. > > > > My experience with taking past as dead (even though it > governs > > some > > of my present actions thru conditioning, past memories, > etc.) > > and > > taking future as a hallucination, and jsut livng in the NOW > > has > > enriched my life in many ways and given me a new found > > freedom. OF > > course this has been supported by committment to sadhana too > > without > > which many things would not have happened. > > > > Sorry, that this message has become so personal and so long > > with my > > ramblings. But i thought i will share this with u since u > have > > cared > > to respond to something i had written in one of the > messages. > > And > > also because u are responsible to some extent for my > interest > > in > > astrology and the ancient scriptures which i am trying to > read > > these > > days. > > > > Best wishes and warm regards, > > > > Vinita > > > > sohamsa , " Sanjay Rath " > <sanjayrath > > wrote: > > > > > > +om gurave namah+ > > > Dear Vinita > > > What is now? Can you define it for me? > > > Is it this moment we are breathing? Then this would be the > > lifetime > > of so > > > many germs and smaller insects. > > > Is it the hour, the muhurta, day, week, fornight, month, > > two- > > months, 6 > > > months or year? What is your definition of now? > > > > > > Second question: How can we totally accept the full > > responsibility > > of > > > something we know nothing about? Can you tell me what > karma > > you did > > in > > > thelast birth that has caused this incarnation as Vinita? > Is > > there > > any means > > > of knowing this other than Jyotish which alone is the > === message truncated === Regards, Krishna http://astrokrishna.blogspot.com ______________________________\ ____ Don't get soaked. Take a quick peak at the forecast with the Search weather shortcut. http://tools.search./shortcuts/#loc_weather Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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