For Vistiji- What decides marriages UL or 7th House?

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Dear Vistiji:

 

I am faced with a bit of a question with regard to the UL as a basis for assessing marriage. I always wanted to know this. I have this lady colleague who has Venus in the UL Leo but no planet in the second house so as to use the classical judgement of how the marriage would sustain. There is hoever the seventh aspect of Mars to that house from Pisces. She has had two divorces in the space of the past 6 years [both marriages were consumated after brief romances, if one call it that, of about a year each].

 

 

I cannot see through the UL how this is possible. There is also IMHO an issue with her time, which 'unrectified' gives Cancer Lagna, with a debilitated and retro Jup in 7th and seventh lord Saturn in 12th with Ketu. I for one feel that the lagna should be Gemini [this happens when the time is set back by only 5 minutes]. Then she has Rahu in the 7th and seventh lord Jupiter isin the 8th.

 

My questions are, how does one assess the second UL, is it from the 12th of the 12th or the 12th of the first UL? Do aspects [rashi and graha] on the 2nd from UL have a say in judging sustenance of the association. I personally feel they would, but I am not sure. Very frankly do you consider the 7th house or the UL as the final test for analysing marriage.

 

 

{Just as a note, she has vargottama lagna Cn Cn - surprisingly even when the time is set back 5 minutes Ge - Ge-, Sanjayji mentions that this is a great blessing of Lord Shiva wherein a person is protected by Him - I say this since certain prayers and astrological remedies that was suggested by their family astrologer in Kerala apparently also did not solve the unstabllity in marriages}

 

 

her coordinates are:

TOB- 545hrs

POB - Ernakulam, India

DOB - July 25, 1973

 

Would be glad to know to your views.

Thanks

sincerely

nitin

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|Om Namo Narasimhaaya|

|Om Lakshmyai Namah|

 

Dear Nitin,

Namaskar.

 

In the interim permit me to state a few things in this regard as I

have understood them:

 

1.The 7th House in Rashi shows the native's own attitude to marriage.

 

2.The 7th Lord in Rashi shows the marital partner but this should be

analysed more from the 7th House and Lord in the Navamsha as that

charts will give the details of the marriage and the spouse.

 

3.The UL shows the manifest traits of the spouse at a visible,

tangible, physical level.

 

4.For each subsequent relationship with the intention of marriage

that lasts for a year or more OR marriage itself see the 8th House

from the preceding UL. For example, if the 1st UL is in the 8th House

from the Lagna, the 2nd UL will be in the 3rd House from the Lagna

and so on.

 

5.The 2nd House from a given UL may be empty. In which case see the

Lord, and then see the aspects. Use Rashi Drishti for this purpose.

 

6.In case the chart is accurate, severe affliction to the UL itself

may lead to a relationship that does not culminate in marriage.In

other words, the UL does not manifest. In which case proceed to the

next UL.

 

7.A Prashna Chart may be cast, in fact ought to be cast to study any

horoscope. If the Navamsha Lagna in the Prashna Chart is in trines/

7th to the natal Lagna, the Prashna should be extensively studied and

the UL in the Prashna Rashi Chart will show the Upapada the native is

currently on.

 

8. All factors should be studied simultaneously but Upapada is

extremely important for marriage. The Lord of Upapada in Rashi should

be examined in both Rashi and Navamsha to see the status of the

spouse and her family.

 

9.The UL should be distinguished from the A7 in the Rashi chart. The

latter relates to romantic and/or physical relationships which may or

may not have the intention of 'giving' or 'marriage'. The element of

giving and marriage is esential for it to be an Upapada relationship.

 

10. The traits of a spouse can be seen from the 7th House of the

Navamsha, treating it as Lagna and from 2nd from Lagna as Lagna for

the next spouse etc.

 

I do hope this will be of help to you in understanding this topic.

 

Best wishes,

Anurag Sharma

http://www.planetarytransformation.blogspot.com

 

 

sohamsa , " Nitin Sahadevan " <nsdevan wrote:

>

> Dear Vistiji:

>

> I am faced with a bit of a question with regard to the UL as a

basis for

> assessing marriage. I always wanted to know this. I have this lady

colleague

> who has Venus in the UL Leo but no planet in the second house so as

to use

> the classical judgement of how the marriage would sustain. There is

hoever

> the seventh aspect of Mars to that house from Pisces. She has had

two

> divorces in the space of the past 6 years [both marriages were

consumated

> after brief romances, if one call it that, of about a year each].

>

> I cannot see through the UL how this is possible. There is also

IMHO an

> issue with her time, which 'unrectified' gives Cancer Lagna, with a

> debilitated and retro Jup in 7th and seventh lord Saturn in 12th

with Ketu.

> I for one feel that the lagna should be Gemini [this happens when

the time

> is set back by only 5 minutes]. Then she has Rahu in the 7th and

seventh

> lord Jupiter isin the 8th.

>

> My questions are, how does one assess the second UL, is it from the

12th

> of the 12th or the 12th of the first UL? Do aspects [rashi and

graha] on the

> 2nd from UL have a say in judging sustenance of the association. I

> personally feel they would, but I am not sure. Very frankly do you

consider

> the 7th house or the UL as the final test for analysing marriage.

>

> *{Just as a note, she has vargottama lagna Cn Cn - surprisingly

even when

> the time is set back 5 minutes Ge - Ge-, Sanjayji mentions that

this is a

> great blessing of Lord Shiva wherein a person is protected by Him -

I say

> this since certain prayers and astrological remedies that was

suggested by

> their family astrologer in Kerala apparently also did not solve the

> unstabllity in marriages} *

>

> her coordinates are:

> TOB- 545hrs

> POB - Ernakulam, India

> DOB - July 25, 1973

>

> Would be glad to know to your views.

> Thanks

> sincerely

> nitin

>

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Dear Anuragji-

Thanks for a detailed reply. Still some doubts, lined up next to your answers for your clarifications please.thanks and regards,

nitin1.The 7th House in Rashi shows the native's own attitude to marriage.2.The 7th Lord in Rashi shows the marital partner but this should be analysed more from the 7th House and Lord in the Navamsha as that charts will give the details of the marriage and the spouse. Here, Lord is the 7th house lord in D9 or Rashi 7th Lords?

3.The UL shows the manifest traits of the spouse at a visible, tangible, physical level. I thought dhan daulat autha etc were to be seen from D9

4.For each subsequent relationship with the intention of marriage that lasts for a year or more OR marriage itself see the 8th House from the preceding UL. For example, if the 1st UL is in the 8th House from the Lagna, the 2nd UL will be in the 3rd House from the Lagna and so on. I really did not know of the 8th from UL as next UL. You mean the pada of the 8th house from a UL is the next UL?5.The 2nd House from a given UL may be empty. In which case see the Lord, and then see the aspects. Use Rashi Drishti for this purpose. Are you suggesting that the second house lord decides by placement or association the actual sustenance meter?

6.In case the chart is accurate, severe affliction to the UL itself may lead to a relationship that does not culminate in marriage.In other words, the UL does not manifest. In which case proceed to the next UL.

7.A Prashna Chart may be cast, in fact ought to be cast to study any horoscope. If the Navamsha Lagna in the Prashna Chart is in trines/ 7th to the natal Lagna, the Prashna should be extensively studied and the UL in the Prashna Rashi Chart will show the Upapada the native is currently on. Since you so suggest, if one receives a phonecall, how is a prashna cast? This is a constant practical difficulty I face. Few tenets of the P-Marga can even be contemplated.

8. All factors should be studied simultaneously but Upapada is extremely important for marriage. The Lord of Upapada in Rashi should be examined in both Rashi and Navamsha to see the status of the spouse and her family. 9.The UL should be distinguished from the A7 in the Rashi chart. The latter relates to romantic and/or physical relationships which may or may not have the intention of 'giving' or 'marriage'. The element of giving and marriage is esential for it to be an Upapada relationship. Could not agree more - since its the 12th house of expenditure or 'consumption' of the self's exertions.

10. The traits of a spouse can be seen from the 7th House of the Navamsha, treating it as Lagna and from 2nd from Lagna as Lagna for the next spouse etc.

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|Om Namo Narasimhaaya||Om Lakshmyai Namah|Dear Nitin,Namaskar.In the interim permit me to state a few things in this regard as I have understood them:1.The 7th House in Rashi shows the native's own attitude to marriage.

2.The 7th Lord in Rashi shows the marital partner but this should be analysed more from the 7th House and Lord in the Navamsha as that charts will give the details of the marriage and the spouse.3.The UL shows the manifest traits of the spouse at a visible, tangible, physical level.4.For each subsequent relationship with the intention of marriage that lasts for a year or more OR marriage itself see the 8th House from the preceding UL. For example, if the 1st UL is in the 8th House from the Lagna, the 2nd UL will be in the 3rd House from the Lagna and so on.5.The 2nd House from a given UL may be empty. In which case see the Lord, and then see the aspects. Use Rashi Drishti for this purpose.

6.In case the chart is accurate, severe affliction to the UL itself may lead to a relationship that does not culminate in marriage.In other words, the UL does not manifest. In which case proceed to the

next UL.7.A Prashna Chart may be cast, in fact ought to be cast to study any horoscope. If the Navamsha Lagna in the Prashna Chart is in trines/ 7th to the natal Lagna, the Prashna should be extensively studied and the UL in the Prashna Rashi Chart will show the Upapada the native is currently on.8. All factors should be studied simultaneously but Upapada is extremely important for marriage. The Lord of Upapada in Rashi should be examined in both Rashi and Navamsha to see the status of the spouse and her family.9.The UL should be distinguished from the A7 in the Rashi chart. The latter relates to romantic and/or physical relationships which may or may not have the intention of 'giving' or 'marriage'. The element of giving and marriage is esential for it to be an Upapada relationship.10. The traits of a spouse can be seen from the 7th House of the Navamsha, treating it as Lagna and from 2nd from Lagna as Lagna for the next spouse etc.I do hope this will be of help to you in understanding this topic.Best wishes,Anurag Sharma

http://www.planetarytransformation.blogspot.com

sohamsa

 

, " Nitin Sahadevan " <nsdevan wrote:>> Dear Vistiji:> > I am faced with a bit of a question with regard to the UL as a basis for> assessing marriage. I always wanted to know this. I have this lady colleague> who has Venus in the UL Leo but no planet in the second house so as to use> the classical judgement of how the marriage would sustain. There is hoever> the seventh aspect of Mars to that house from Pisces. She has had two> divorces in the space of the past 6 years [both marriages were consumated> after brief romances, if one call it that, of about a year each].> > I cannot see through the UL how this is possible. There is also IMHO an> issue with her time, which 'unrectified' gives Cancer Lagna, with a> debilitated and retro Jup in 7th and seventh lord Saturn in 12th with Ketu.> I for one feel that the lagna should be Gemini [this happens when the time> is set back by only 5 minutes]. Then she has Rahu in the 7th and seventh> lord Jupiter isin the 8th.> > My questions are, how does one assess the second UL, is it from the

12th> of the 12th or the 12th of the first UL? Do aspects [rashi and graha] on the> 2nd from UL have a say in judging sustenance of the association. I> personally feel they would, but I am not sure. Very frankly do you consider> the 7th house or the UL as the final test for analysing marriage.> > *{Just as a note, she has vargottama lagna Cn Cn - surprisingly even when> the time is set back 5 minutes Ge - Ge-, Sanjayji mentions that this is a> great blessing of Lord Shiva wherein a person is protected by Him - I say> this since certain prayers and astrological remedies that was suggested by> their family astrologer in Kerala apparently also did not solve the

> unstabllity in marriages} *> > her coordinates are:> TOB- 545hrs> POB - Ernakulam, India> DOB - July 25, 1973> > Would be glad to know to your views.> Thanks

> sincerely> nitin>

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हरे राम कृष्ण॥

Dear Nitin, Namaskar

dārārūḍhavaśādvadedupapadāttāmādibhāryaṁ tataḥ

tattannaidhanabhātsmarākhyapadato yāvacca pāpādikam|

From the arudha of the seventh (darapada/a7) and from the arudha of

the twelfth (upapada/UL) we have to find out everything about the first

wife. From the eighth houses of these two arudhas we can know about the

second wife. - Translation by P.S. Sastri - Uttara Kalamrita Chapter

IV, sloka 40

 

So, to find the subsequent partners see the eighth from the

particular pada. Specifically with the darapada we are concerned with

'vaśā' which is any woman/partner, wife/spouse, mate, etc. In

the tradition we call this all sambandha.

For Upapada we are concerned with bhārya which is

specifically the wife. In the tradition we call this Vivaha.

Now, when we analyze the seventh house in the chart we are seeing 1)

our approach towards relationships (seventh house in rasi) and 2) our

partners characteristics (navamsa) and how he/she relates to you

(seventh lord in rasi).

Whereas, the formal agreement of partnership (a7) and marriage (UL) is

seen from the specific arudhas. Remember that 'all things arudha are

all things tangible', i.e. you can measure them or see some formal

agreement of the same.

 

The house/lord of the second from the UL will determine the length

of sustenance of the marriage.

 

However, do not ignore the houses, and when it comes to marriage the

twelfth house is extremely important in the chart. Malefics there like

Ketu can cause problems in marriage.

 

Reg. the chart you have posted:

July 25, 1973

Time: 5:45:00

Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)

Place: 76 E 17' 00", 9 N 59' 00"

Ernakulam, India

 

Here the twelfth house is occupied by two malefics: Ketu and Saturn.

This will not bode well for marriage. Mars and Rahu are in quadrants

from this forming a dire sarpa yoga from the twelfth house and marriage

perspective, not making the situation easier with lots of passion and

disappointments in the physical felicity of the partnerships.

 

Now, see the upapadas. The first one is in Leo and the second lord

Mercury is not involved in the Sarpa yoga, but is combust by the Sun.

The issues can be ego problems and the likes. The second Upapada is in

Pisces and the second lord therefrom is Mars who is in kendra to the

sarpa yoga.

 

Now note that Saturn is the eighth lord and along with Rahu he has

graha dristi on Venus who is forming a curse of spouse from past life.

This happens in the second house and we must analyze the lord and

karaka for the remedy. The Sun was strong enough to give marriage in

the first place due to its lordship of the Upapada hence she can

worship Dakshinamurti-Shiva to overcome the problems.

 

Advise her to worship Dakshinamurti to overcome the curse. Ask her

to seek a priest to receive a mantra for the same.

In addition as the curse is that of partner, the best advise to give

her is that she must help a couple get married, such as offer money

(second house) or donate a bed/sofa to the couple to start their

married life in a good way.

 

Notice that the curse of spouse has been running since 1999, and the

dasa/antara of the planets involved in the curse (venus, saturn and

rahu) as well as those in the sarpa yoga will carry the problems:

 

Moola Dasa (dasa showing the root of events - past karma):

Sani MD: 1999-07-25 (21:30:00) - 2010-07-25 (17:11:08)

Antardasas in this MD:

Sani: 1999-07-25 (21:30:00) - 2001-01-07 (14:09:59)

Ket: 2001-01-07 (14:09:59) - 2001-05-31 (21:27:22)

Mang: 2001-05-31 (21:27:22) - 2002-03-17 (13:02:43)

Rah: 2002-03-17 (13:02:43) - 2004-06-18 (19:19:27)

Chan: 2004-06-18 (19:19:27) - 2004-09-26 (1:19:25)

Sukr: 2004-09-26 (1:19:25) - 2007-02-11 (6:26:01)

Sury: 2007-02-11 (6:26:01) - 2007-10-14 (10:26:16)

Budh: 2007-10-14 (10:26:16) - 2009-10-09 (13:26:37)

Guru: 2009-10-09 (13:26:37) - 2010-07-25 (17:11:08)

 

The last among the problematic periods is ending this February, and

aptly the remedy for the same has been given now.

 

I hope this helps.

 

Yours sincerely,

 

 

--

 

Visti Larsen

email: visti

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Nitin Sahadevan wrote:

 

 

Dear Vistiji:

 

I am faced with a bit of a question with regard to the UL as a

basis for assessing marriage. I always wanted to know this. I have this

lady colleague who has Venus in the UL Leo but no planet in the second

house so as to use the classical judgement of how the marriage would

sustain. There is hoever the seventh aspect of Mars to that house from

Pisces. She has had two divorces in the space of the past 6 years [both

marriages were consumated after brief romances, if one call it that, of

about a year each].

 

 

I cannot see through the UL how this is possible. There is also

IMHO an issue with her time, which 'unrectified' gives Cancer Lagna,

with a debilitated and retro Jup in 7th and seventh lord Saturn in 12th

with Ketu. I for one feel that the lagna should be Gemini [this happens

when the time is set back by only 5 minutes]. Then she has Rahu in the

7th and seventh lord Jupiter isin the 8th.

 

My questions are, how does one assess the second UL, is it from

the 12th of the 12th or the 12th of the first UL? Do aspects [rashi and

graha] on the 2nd from UL have a say in judging sustenance of the

association. I personally feel they would, but I am not sure. Very

frankly do you consider the 7th house or the UL as the final test for

analysing marriage.

 

 

{Just as a note, she has vargottama lagna Cn Cn -

surprisingly even when the time is set back 5 minutes Ge - Ge-,

Sanjayji mentions that this is a great blessing of Lord Shiva wherein a

person is protected by Him - I say this since certain prayers and

astrological remedies that was suggested by their family astrologer in

Kerala apparently also did not solve the unstabllity in marriages}

 

 

her coordinates are:

TOB- 545hrs

POB - Ernakulam, India

DOB - July 25, 1973

 

Would be glad to know to your views.

Thanks

sincerely

nitin