AK Moon in Swamsa - an exception? -- to Swee ji

[Guest guest]

| om gurave namah |

 

Dear Swee ji,

 

I am coming back: after Marie Curie, Beethoven has the same Moon AK in dual lagnamsa - COVA p 461.

 

Now, Sanjaya knows too well his subject. That makes two cases (with charts and explanations)..

That could make 3 cases ... with yours

 

Also, I am a little reluctant to shift the times he has given by 10 min.

 

With warm regards,

 

Pierre-Olivier

 

 

[Guest guest]

| om gurave namah |

 

Dear Swee ji,

 

The concerti per mandolini are great. For the rest I need some more time. I am impressed.

 

Thank you a lot,

 

Pierre-Olivier

 

 

Dans un e-mail daté du 30/01/2007 08:56:24 Paris, Madrid, sweechan a écrit :

Jaya JagannathaDear Pierre,NamasteOn 1/30/07 12:48 AM, "Poloisel" <Poloisel wrote:Swee Chan

| om gurave namah | Dear Swee ji, I am coming back: after Marie Curie, Beethoven has the same Moon AK in dual lagnamsa - COVA p 461. Now, Sanjaya knows too well his subject. That makes two cases (with charts and explanations)..That could make 3 cases ... with yours Also, I am a little reluctant to shift the times he has given by 10 min. With warm regards, Pierre-Olivier Dare we move the ascendant to Aquarius? With Cp lagnamsa? This brings Sun – instrumentalist to the 5th?Deafness – combust Jupiter, hence should either be in the 3rd or the 11th.Suicidal thoughts – Rahu saptati sama dasaCompulsive behaviour – lagna lord with debilitated Moon; co lord also retrograde in 6th aspecting Venus in 12th –attraction to married womenGulp gulp gulp coming from an ex wanna-be pianist.......en singer in an ariaI’d leave things be and feast my ears on Vivaldi.Love,Swee

 

 

[Guest guest]

Jaya Jagannatha

 

Dear Pierre,

Namaste

 

On 1/30/07 12:48 AM, " Poloisel " <Poloisel wrote:Swee Chan

 

| om gurave namah |

 

Dear Swee ji,

 

I am coming back: after Marie Curie, Beethoven has the same Moon AK in dual lagnamsa - COVA p 461.

 

Now, Sanjaya knows too well his subject. That makes two cases (with charts and explanations)..

That could make 3 cases ... with yours

 

Also, I am a little reluctant to shift the times he has given by 10 min.

 

With warm regards,

 

Pierre-Olivier

 

Dare we move the ascendant to Aquarius? With Cp lagnamsa? This brings Sun – instrumentalist to the 5th?

Deafness – combust Jupiter, hence should either be in the 3rd or the 11th.

Suicidal thoughts – Rahu saptati sama dasa

Compulsive behaviour – lagna lord with debilitated Moon; co lord also retrograde in 6th aspecting Venus in 12th –attraction to married women

 

Gulp gulp gulp coming from an ex wanna-be pianist.......en singer in an aria

 

I’d leave things be and feast my ears on Vivaldi.

 

Love,

 

Swee

[Guest guest]

| om gurave namah |

 

Dear Visti ji,

 

Thank you very much for the lesson. Ooops, that was a big blunder of mine using this word 'problem'. Gurudeva forbid.

 

Karakamsa in navamsa lagna <=> atmakaraka in lagnamsa.When lagnamsa and karakamsa are one and the same, then it could indicate (1) self actualisation(1) and not just (2) birth in a royal family (thats what I thought till now) ???

 

Visti ji, AK in lagna in navamsa, is it (1) or is it (2) ?

 

Yours truly,

 

Pierre-Olivier

 

Dans un e-mail daté du 30/01/2007 13:32:36 Paris, Madrid, visti a écrit :

 

हरे राम कृषà¥à¤£à¥¥

Dear Swee and Pierre-Olivier, NamaskarMay i add Pierre that when you have 'a problem' with a person, its considered a very personal statement and a sign of dislike or distaste. I'm sure you do not have any personal problems with Sanjayji, and i do understand that English is not your mother tongue.

Sanjayji clarified two things to me in this regard:1) Karakamsa in navamsa lagna is - Rajyasambandha yoga. I.e. it gives association with the topmost people in a field of profession. It does NOT give ShrimantaH yoga which is a sign of wealth.

2) If the dispositor of the karakamsa is placed in a dusthana or neecha in navamsa, then the power and wealth comes later on. In some cases like in Dhanus this shows a family who has fallen from power.Parivartana can also show power coming later on.

The nature of the planets involved shows which type of power.

Yours sincerely, -- Visti Larsenemail: vistiFor consultations, free mp3's and articles visit: http://srigaruda.com Poloisel wrote:

 

 

 

| om gurave namah |

 

Dear Swee ji,

 

The concerti per mandolini are great. For the rest I need some more time. I am impressed.

 

Thank you a lot,

 

Pierre-Olivier

 

 

Dans un e-mail daté du 30/01/2007 08:56:24 Paris, Madrid, sweechan (AT) mac (DOT) com a écrit :

Jaya JagannathaDear Pierre,NamasteOn 1/30/07 12:48 AM, "Poloisel (AT) aol (DOT) com" <Poloisel (AT) aol (DOT) com> wrote:Swee Chan

| om gurave namah | Dear Swee ji, I am coming back: after Marie Curie, Beethoven has the same Moon AK in dual lagnamsa - COVA p 461. Now, Sanjaya knows too well his subject. That makes two cases (with charts and explanations)..That could make 3 cases ... with yours Also, I am a little reluctant to shift the times he has given by 10 min. With warm regards, Pierre-Olivier Dare we move the ascendant to Aquarius? With Cp lagnamsa? This brings Sun – instrumentalist to the 5th?Deafness – combust Jupiter, hence should either be in the 3rd or the 11th.Suicidal thoughts – Rahu saptati sama dasaCompulsive behaviour – lagna lord with debilitated Moon; co lord also retrograde in 6th aspecting Venus in 12th –attraction to married womenGulp gulp gulp coming from an ex wanna-be pianist.......en singer in an ariaI’d leave things be and feast my ears on Vivaldi.Love,Swee

 

 

[Guest guest]

| om gurave namah |

 

Dear Visti ji,

 

I was not referring to your chart at all.

 

I asked :

 

In case of AK in lagnamsa, does it indicates

1. the native is born in a family akin to royalty (how many times I have read this in the posts by Gurudava...)

2. a stage for self actualisation (in some rare and evident a posteriori cases such as Marie Curie or Beethoven)

 

I am still waiting for a response my English could grasp.

 

Yours truly,

 

Pierre-Olivier

 

Dans un e-mail daté du 30/01/2007 14:46:37 Paris, Madrid, visti a écrit :

 

हरे राम कृषà¥à¤£à¥¥

Dear Pierre-Olivier, NamaskarI'm not sure if you are referring to my chart. In my case its 1) self actualization as my mother and father were using bricks for chairs and had to sew their own madrases prior to my birth. This is due to the Parivartana between Moon in eighth house and Rahu in Navamsa Lagna.

Soon after i was born my father got a new job and we moved to a big house by the ocean with very rich neighbors. I still remember the small palace of some ambassador who was never home, so my brother and I would use their tennis court and get chased away by the servants tending upon the place. All very nice memories.

Chart details: 21st November 1981, 6:08 AM Nairobi Kenya. Cancer is the navamsa lagna. Ninth house is Pisces - the ocean indicating bhagya.

Yours sincerely, -- Visti Larsenemail: vistiFor consultations, free mp3's and articles visit: http://srigaruda.com Poloisel wrote:

 

 

 

| om gurave namah |

 

Dear Visti ji,

 

Thank you very much for the lesson. Ooops, that was a big blunder of mine using this word 'problem'. Gurudeva forbid.

 

Karakamsa in navamsa lagna <=> atmakaraka in lagnamsa.When lagnamsa and karakamsa are one and the same, then it could indicate (1) self actualisation(1) and not just (2) birth in a royal family (thats what I thought till now) ???

 

Visti ji, AK in lagna in navamsa, is it (1) or is it (2) ?

 

Yours truly,

 

Pierre-Olivier

 

Dans un e-mail daté du 30/01/2007 13:32:36 Paris, Madrid, visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) com a écrit :

 

हरे राम कृषà¥à¤£à¥¥

Dear Swee and Pierre-Olivier, NamaskarMay i add Pierre that when you have 'a problem' with a person, its considered a very personal statement and a sign of dislike or distaste. I'm sure you do not have any personal problems with Sanjayji, and i do understand that English is not your mother tongue.

Sanjayji clarified two things to me in this regard:1) Karakamsa in navamsa lagna is - Rajyasambandha yoga. I.e. it gives association with the topmost people in a field of profession. It does NOT give ShrimantaH yoga which is a sign of wealth.

2) If the dispositor of the karakamsa is placed in a dusthana or neecha in navamsa, then the power and wealth comes later on. In some cases like in Dhanus this shows a family who has fallen from power.Parivartana can also show power coming later on.

The nature of the planets involved shows which type of power.

Yours sincerely, -- Visti Larsenemail: visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) comFor consultations, free mp3's and articles visit: http://srigaruda.com Poloisel (AT) aol (DOT) com wrote:

 

 

 

 

| om gurave namah |

 

Dear Swee ji,

 

The concerti per mandolini are great. For the rest I need some more time. I am impressed.

 

Thank you a lot,

 

Pierre-Olivier

 

 

Dans un e-mail daté du 30/01/2007 08:56:24 Paris, Madrid, sweechan (AT) mac (DOT) com a écrit :

Jaya JagannathaDear Pierre,NamasteOn 1/30/07 12:48 AM, "Poloisel (AT) aol (DOT) com" <Poloisel (AT) aol (DOT) com> wrote:Swee Chan

| om gurave namah | Dear Swee ji, I am coming back: after Marie Curie, Beethoven has the same Moon AK in dual lagnamsa - COVA p 461. Now, Sanjaya knows too well his subject. That makes two cases (with charts and explanations)..That could make 3 cases ... with yours Also, I am a little reluctant to shift the times he has given by 10 min. With warm regards, Pierre-Olivier Dare we move the ascendant to Aquarius? With Cp lagnamsa? This brings Sun – instrumentalist to the 5th?Deafness – combust Jupiter, hence should either be in the 3rd or the 11th.Suicidal thoughts – Rahu saptati sama dasaCompulsive behaviour – lagna lord with debilitated Moon; co lord also retrograde in 6th aspecting Venus in 12th –attraction to married womenGulp gulp gulp coming from an ex wanna-be pianist.......en singer in an ariaI’d leave things be and feast my ears on Vivaldi.Love,Swee

 

 

[Guest guest]

| om gurave namah |

 

Dear Swee ji,

 

Thank you for the hand. Yes my English is very poor. That is my problem here. I cannot say what I think exactly the way I would like.

 

From Jaimini and Sanjay ji: AK in Lagnamsa shows a birth in a family akin to royalty (hence of course from rich and/or powerful parents. Those of Marie Curie were not and you choosed to shift the lagna. Before I dare to do so, I was asking.

 

Yours truly,

 

Pierre-Olivier

 

Dans un e-mail daté du 30/01/2007 14:37:14 Paris, Madrid, sweechan a écrit :

Jaya JagannathaDear Visti,NamasteComing from me with English as my 3rd language, I am sure Olivier meant well :-) If I can speak on his behalf, he was merely trying to clarify the statement that an AK in lagnamsa indicates rich parents and Marie Curie’s parents were rather poor folk. So do take this in good steed. What I was hoping for, is that Pierre will refer to BPHS first....In the case of Marie Curie, shifting her lagnamsa to Taurus makes a better picture to fit in Parshara’s dictum:VOL I Effects of Karakamsha sloka 10:svaa.nshaacChubhagrahaaH kendre koNo vaa paaparvijataaH|ghana-vidyaayuto jaato mishrairmiphala.n vadervid||10If the svaamsha is occupied or aspected by benefics in kendra or trines sans malefics, the native will be blessed with wealth and learning.. A combination of both (benefics and malefics) yields mixed results.The Taurus lagna gives 3 benefics in kendras instead of malefics. This way, Rahu in own sign Kanya is now in trines to lagnamsa. She was a researcher of note. But as most assessments are done with placement of planets to the Karakamsha.... So which ones are applicable? I’d say both though there is an obvious shift with the lagnamsa with Venus the lagnamsa lord in a kendra as well as Jupiter and Mercury.What I am trying to understand is why should AK in lagnamsa be associated with people??? In COVA, Sanjay ji succinctly puts it, it is self actualisation. Venus is her 5th lord of rashi with lagna lord creating a dimantah yoga and in navamsa, Venus is in a kendra with the time shift.I recall that if karakamsha is in the 7th, power comes later now you tell me it should be in the 8th....Where did you get your sloka from?Love,SweeOn 1/30/07 2:28 PM, "Visti Larsen" <visti wrote:Swee Chan

Untitled Document हरे राम कृषà¥à¤£à¥¥Dear Swee and Pierre-Olivier, NamaskarMay i add Pierre that when you have 'a problem' with a person, its considered a very personal statement and a sign of dislike or distaste. I'm sure you do not have any personal problems with Sanjayji, and i do understand that English is not your mother tongue.Sanjayji clarified two things to me in this regard:1) Karakamsa in navamsa lagna is - Rajyasambandha yoga. I.e. it gives association with the topmost people in a field of profession. It does NOT give ShrimantaH yoga which is a sign of wealth.2) If the dispositor of the karakamsa is placed in a dusthana or neecha in navamsa, then the power and wealth comes later on. In some cases like in Dhanus this shows a family who has fallen from power.Parivartana can also show power coming later on.The nature of the planets involved shows which type of power.Yours sincerely,

 

 

[Guest guest]

| om gurave namah |

 

Dear Sarbani ji,

 

I know Sanjay would have take it in good part and this is how I took the lesson from Visti ji which can be useful in some other lists less unmoderated.

I certainly would have more fun if I could write in French.

 

My real problem or interest is in getting an answer to my question on AK in lagnamsa.

 

Thank you for your nice words. I appreciated wery much.

 

Yours truly,

 

Pierre-Olivier

 

Dans un e-mail daté du 30/01/2007 15:21:40 Paris, Madrid, sarbani a écrit :

 

Shri Brahmadaru Smarami

 

Dear Pierre,

 

Just to let you know that all of us on the list did not think that saying that you have a 'problem' was a personal statement; rather its an expression of academic thinking, implying that you were puzzled about something! This is an unmoderated list where no one is allowed to police the other. It does not belong to any organization either! Have fun!

 

Best Regards,

 

Sarbani Sarkar Rath

 

 

[Guest guest]

Untitled Document

हरे राम कृषà¥à¤£à¥¥

Dear Swee and Pierre-Olivier, Namaskar

May i add Pierre that when you have 'a problem' with a person, its

considered a very personal statement and a sign of dislike or distaste.

I'm sure you do not have any personal problems with Sanjayji, and i do

understand that English is not your mother tongue.

 

Sanjayji clarified two things to me in this regard:

1) Karakamsa in navamsa lagna is - Rajyasambandha yoga. I.e. it gives

association with the topmost people in a field of profession. It does

NOT give ShrimantaH yoga which is a sign of wealth.

 

2) If the dispositor of the karakamsa is placed in a dusthana or

neecha in navamsa, then the power and wealth comes later on. In some

cases like in Dhanus this shows a family who has fallen from power.

Parivartana can also show power coming later on.

 

The nature of the planets involved shows which type of power.

 

Yours sincerely,

 

 

--

 

Visti Larsen

email: visti

For consultations, free mp3's and articles visit: http://srigaruda.com

 

 

 

Poloisel wrote:

 

 

 

 

| om gurave namah |

 

Dear Swee ji,

 

The concerti per mandolini are great. For the rest I need some

more time. I am impressed.

 

Thank you a lot,

 

Pierre-Olivier

 

 

Dans un e-mail daté du 30/01/2007 08:56:24 Paris, Madrid,

sweechan (AT) mac (DOT) com a écrit :

Jaya Jagannatha

 

Dear Pierre,

Namaste

 

On 1/30/07 12:48 AM, "Poloisel (AT) aol (DOT) com" <Poloisel (AT) aol (DOT) com>

wrote:Swee Chan

 

 

|

om gurave namah |

 

Dear Swee ji,

 

I am coming back: after Marie Curie, Beethoven has the same Moon AK

in dual lagnamsa - COVA p 461.

 

Now, Sanjaya knows too well his subject. That makes two cases (with

charts and explanations)..

That could make 3 cases ... with yours

 

Also, I am a little reluctant to shift the times he has given by 10 min.

 

With warm regards,

 

Pierre-Olivier

 

 

Dare we move the

ascendant to Aquarius? With Cp lagnamsa? This brings Sun –

instrumentalist to the 5th?

Deafness – combust Jupiter, hence should either be in the 3rd or the

11th.

Suicidal thoughts – Rahu saptati sama dasa

Compulsive behaviour – lagna lord with debilitated Moon; co lord also

retrograde in 6th aspecting Venus in 12th –attraction to married women

 

Gulp  gulp gulp coming from an ex wanna-be pianist.......en

singer in an aria

 

I’d leave things be and  feast my ears on Vivaldi.

 

Love,

 

Swee

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Jaya Jagannatha

 

Dear Visti,

Namaste

 

Coming from me with English as my 3rd language, I am sure Olivier meant well :-) If I can speak on his behalf, he was merely trying to clarify the statement that an AK in lagnamsa indicates rich parents and Marie Curie’s parents were rather poor folk.

 

So do take this in good steed. What I was hoping for, is that Pierre will refer to BPHS first....

 

In the case of Marie Curie, shifting her lagnamsa to Taurus makes a better picture to fit in Parshara’s dictum:

 

VOL I Effects of Karakamsha sloka 10:

 

svaa.nshaacChubhagrahaaH kendre koNo vaa paaparvijataaH|

ghana-vidyaayuto jaato mishrairmiphala.n vadervid||10

 

If the svaamsha is occupied or aspected by benefics in kendra or trines sans malefics, the native will be blessed with wealth and learning.. A combination of both (benefics and malefics) yields mixed results.

 

The Taurus lagna gives 3 benefics in kendras instead of malefics. This way, Rahu in own sign Kanya is now in trines to lagnamsa. She was a researcher of note.

But as most assessments are done with placement of planets to the Karakamsha.... So which ones are applicable? I’d say both though there is an obvious shift with the lagnamsa with Venus the lagnamsa lord in a kendra as well as Jupiter and Mercury.

 

What I am trying to understand is why should AK in lagnamsa be associated with people??? In COVA, Sanjay ji succinctly puts it, it is self actualisation. Venus is her 5th lord of rashi with lagna lord creating a dimantah yoga and in navamsa, Venus is in a kendra with the time shift.

 

I recall that if karakamsha is in the 7th, power comes later now you tell me it should be in the 8th....Where did you get your sloka from?

 

Love,

 

Swee

 

 

On 1/30/07 2:28 PM, " Visti Larsen " <visti wrote:Swee Chan

 

 

 

 

 

 

Untitled Document हरे राम कृषà¥à¤£à¥¥

 

Dear Swee and Pierre-Olivier, Namaskar

May i add Pierre that when you have 'a problem' with a person, its considered a very personal statement and a sign of dislike or distaste. I'm sure you do not have any personal problems with Sanjayji, and i do understand that English is not your mother tongue.

 

Sanjayji clarified two things to me in this regard:

1) Karakamsa in navamsa lagna is - Rajyasambandha yoga. I.e. it gives association with the topmost people in a field of profession. It does NOT give ShrimantaH yoga which is a sign of wealth.

 

2) If the dispositor of the karakamsa is placed in a dusthana or neecha in navamsa, then the power and wealth comes later on. In some cases like in Dhanus this shows a family who has fallen from power.

Parivartana can also show power coming later on.

 

The nature of the planets involved shows which type of power.

 

Yours sincerely,

[Guest guest]

Untitled Document

हरे राम कृषà¥à¤£à¥¥

Dear Pierre-Olivier, Namaskar

I'm not sure if you are referring to my chart.

In my case its 1) self actualization as my mother and father were using

bricks for chairs and had to sew their own madrases prior to my birth.

This is due to the Parivartana between Moon in eighth house and Rahu in

Navamsa Lagna.

 

Soon after i was born my father got a new job and we moved to a big

house by the ocean with very rich neighbors. I still remember the small

palace of some ambassador who was never home, so my brother and I would

use their tennis court and get chased away by the servants tending upon

the place. All very nice memories.

 

Chart details: 21st November 1981, 6:08 AM Nairobi Kenya. Cancer is

the navamsa lagna. Ninth house is Pisces - the ocean indicating bhagya.

 

Yours sincerely,

 

 

--

 

Visti Larsen

email: visti

For consultations, free mp3's and articles visit: http://srigaruda.com

 

 

 

Poloisel wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

|

om gurave namah |

 

Dear

Visti ji,

 

Thank

you very much for the lesson. Ooops, that was a big blunder of mine

using this word 'problem'. Gurudeva forbid.

 

Karakamsa

in navamsa lagna <=> atmakaraka in lagnamsa.

When lagnamsa and karakamsa are one and the same, then it could

indicate (1) self actualisation(1) and not just (2) birth in a

royal family (thats what I thought till now) ???

 

Visti

ji, AK in lagna in navamsa, is it (1) or is it (2) ?

 

Yours

truly,

 

Pierre-Olivier

 

Dans

un e-mail daté du 30/01/2007 13:32:36 Paris, Madrid, visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) com

a écrit :

 

हरे राम कृषà¥à¤£à¥¥

 

Dear Swee and Pierre-Olivier, Namaskar

May i add Pierre that when you have 'a problem' with a person, its

considered a very personal statement and a sign of dislike or distaste.

I'm sure you do not have any personal problems with Sanjayji, and i do

understand that English is not your mother tongue.

 

 

Sanjayji clarified two things to me in this regard:

1) Karakamsa in navamsa lagna is - Rajyasambandha yoga. I.e. it gives

association with the topmost people in a field of profession. It does

NOT give ShrimantaH yoga which is a sign of wealth.

 

 

2) If the dispositor of the karakamsa is placed in a dusthana

or neecha in navamsa, then the power and wealth comes later on. In some

cases like in Dhanus this shows a family who has fallen from power.

Parivartana can also show power coming later on.

 

 

The nature of the planets involved shows which type of power.

 

 

Yours sincerely,

--

Visti Larsen

email: visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) com

For consultations, free mp3's and articles visit: http://srigaruda.com

 

 

 

Poloisel (AT) aol (DOT) com wrote:

 

 

 

 

| om gurave namah |

 

Dear Swee ji,

 

The concerti per mandolini are great. For the rest I need

some more time. I am impressed.

 

Thank you a lot,

 

Pierre-Olivier

 

 

Dans un e-mail daté du 30/01/2007 08:56:24 Paris, Madrid,

sweechan (AT) mac (DOT) com a écrit :

Jaya Jagannatha

 

Dear Pierre,

Namaste

 

On 1/30/07 12:48 AM, "Poloisel (AT) aol (DOT) com" <Poloisel (AT) aol (DOT) com>

wrote:Swee Chan

 

 

| om gurave namah |

 

Dear Swee ji,

 

I am coming back: after Marie Curie, Beethoven has the same Moon AK

in dual lagnamsa - COVA p 461.

 

Now, Sanjaya knows too well his subject. That makes two cases (with

charts and explanations)..

That could make 3 cases ... with yours

 

Also, I am a little reluctant to shift the times he has given by 10 min.

 

With warm regards,

 

Pierre-Olivier

 

 

Dare we move

the ascendant to Aquarius? With Cp lagnamsa? This brings Sun –

instrumentalist to the 5th?

Deafness – combust Jupiter, hence should either be in the 3rd or the

11th.

Suicidal thoughts – Rahu saptati sama dasa

Compulsive behaviour – lagna lord with debilitated Moon; co lord also

retrograde in 6th aspecting Venus in 12th –attraction to married women

 

Gulp  gulp gulp coming from an ex wanna-be pianist.......en

singer in an aria

 

I’d leave things be and  feast my ears on Vivaldi.

 

Love,

 

Swee

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]



Shri Brahmadaru Smarami

 

Dear Pierre,

 

Just to let you know that all of us on the list did not think that saying that you have a 'problem' was a personal statement; rather its an expression of academic thinking, implying that you were puzzled about something! This is an unmoderated list where no one is allowed to police the other. It does not belong to any organization either! Have fun!

 

Best Regards,

 

Sarbani Sarkar Rath

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Swee Chan [sweechan] Tuesday, January 30, 2007 7:03 PMSohamsaRe: AK Moon in Swamsa - an exception? -- to Swee ji

 

 

Jaya JagannathaDear Visti,NamasteComing from me with English as my 3rd language, I am sure Olivier meant well :-) If I can speak on his behalf, he was merely trying to clarify the statement that an AK in lagnamsa indicates rich parents and Marie Curie’s parents were rather poor folk. So do take this in good steed. What I was hoping for, is that Pierre will refer to BPHS first....In the case of Marie Curie, shifting her lagnamsa to Taurus makes a better picture to fit in Parshara’s dictum:VOL I Effects of Karakamsha sloka 10:svaa.nshaacChubhagrahaaH kendre koNo vaa paaparvijataaH|ghana-vidyaayuto jaato mishrairmiphala.n vadervid||10If the svaamsha is occupied or aspected by benefics in kendra or trines sans malefics, the native will be blessed with wealth and learning.. A combination of both (benefics and malefics) yields mixed results.The Taurus lagna gives 3 benefics in kendras instead of malefics. This way, Rahu in own sign Kanya is now in trines to lagnamsa. She was a researcher of note. But as most assessments are done with placement of planets to the Karakamsha.... So which ones are applicable? I’d say both though there is an obvious shift with the lagnamsa with Venus the lagnamsa lord in a kendra as well as Jupiter and Mercury.What I am trying to understand is why should AK in lagnamsa be associated with people??? In COVA, Sanjay ji succinctly puts it, it is self actualisation. Venus is her 5th lord of rashi with lagna lord creating a dimantah yoga and in navamsa, Venus is in a kendra with the time shift.I recall that if karakamsha is in the 7th, power comes later now you tell me it should be in the 8th....Where did you get your sloka from?Love,SweeOn 1/30/07 2:28 PM, "Visti Larsen" <visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) com> wrote:Swee Chan

Untitled Document हरे राम कृषà¥à¤£à¥¥Dear Swee and Pierre-Olivier, NamaskarMay i add Pierre that when you have 'a problem' with a person, its considered a very personal statement and a sign of dislike or distaste. I'm sure you do not have any personal problems with Sanjayji, and i do understand that English is not your mother tongue.Sanjayji clarified two things to me in this regard:1) Karakamsa in navamsa lagna is - Rajyasambandha yoga. I.e. it gives association with the topmost people in a field of profession. It does NOT give ShrimantaH yoga which is a sign of wealth.2) If the dispositor of the karakamsa is placed in a dusthana or neecha in navamsa, then the power and wealth comes later on. In some cases like in Dhanus this shows a family who has fallen from power.Parivartana can also show power coming later on.The nature of the planets involved shows which type of power.Yours sincerely,

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Dear Swee, Namaskar

I'm having trouble following your thoughts. Good inference reg. the

sloka but it has nothing to do with the persons rajayoga.

My attempt to answer your thoughts follows:

 

The

Taurus lagna gives 3 benefics in kendras instead of malefics. This

way, Rahu in own sign Kanya is now in trines to lagnamsa. She was a

researcher of note.

 

Visti: Fine, ok. I believe she died of some

disease related to her discoveries? Rahu-Mars in the fourth shows

especially lung problems.

 

But

as most assessments are done with placement of planets to the

Karakamsha....

So which ones are applicable? I’d say both though there is an obvious

shift with the lagnamsa with Venus the lagnamsa lord in a kendra as

well as Jupiter and Mercury.

Visti: Svamsa can mean atmakaraka, navamsa

lagna and moons navamsa. Lagnamsa is not the correct term as it

actually refers to the rasi lagna in the navamsa. In this case Gemini.

Navamsa Lagna is used to see abilities, whilst Karakamsa shows that

which we wish to study, or have a strong desire to master.

 

What I am trying to understand is why should AK in lagnamsa be

associated with people???

 

Visti: What happened? Where are we now? Are you asking why we need

people to help us get rajayoga?

 

In

COVA, Sanjay ji succinctly puts it, it is

self actualisation. Venus is her 5th lord of rashi with lagna lord

creating a dimantah yoga and in navamsa, Venus is in a kendra with the

time shift.

Visti: ?

 

I recall that if karakamsha is in the 7th, power comes later now you

tell me it should be in the

8th....Where did you get your sloka from?

 

Visti: Karakamsa in the seventh means the

power comes after marriage. So naturally it comes later. Who said

eighth? Are we still looking at Marie Curie's chart?

 

Yours sincerely,

 

 

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Swee Chan wrote:

 

 

 

Jaya Jagannatha

 

Dear Visti,

Namaste

 

Coming from me with English as my 3rd language, I am sure Olivier meant

well :-) If I can speak on his behalf, he was merely trying to clarify

the statement that an AK in lagnamsa indicates rich parents and Marie

Curie’s parents were rather poor folk.

 

 So do take this in good steed. What I was hoping for, is that Pierre

will refer to BPHS first....

 

In the case of Marie Curie, shifting her lagnamsa to Taurus makes a

better picture to fit in Parshara’s dictum:

 

VOL I Effects of Karakamsha sloka 10:

 

svaa.nshaacChubhagrahaaH kendre koNo vaa paaparvijataaH|

ghana-vidyaayuto jaato mishrairmiphala.n vadervid||10

 

If the svaamsha is occupied or aspected by benefics in kendra or trines

sans malefics, the native will be blessed with wealth and learning.. A

combination of both (benefics and malefics) yields mixed results.

 

The Taurus lagna gives 3 benefics in kendras instead of malefics. This

way, Rahu in own sign Kanya is now in trines to lagnamsa. She was a

researcher of note.

But as most assessments are done with placement of planets to the

Karakamsha.... So which ones are applicable? I’d say both though

there is an obvious shift with the lagnamsa with Venus the lagnamsa

lord in a kendra as well as Jupiter and Mercury.

 

What I am trying to understand is why should AK in lagnamsa be

associated with people??? In COVA, Sanjay ji succinctly puts it, it is

self actualisation. Venus is her 5th lord of rashi with lagna lord

creating a dimantah yoga and in navamsa, Venus is in a kendra with the

time shift.

 

I recall that if karakamsha is in the 7th, power comes later now you

tell me it should be in the 8th....Where did you get your sloka from?

 

Love,

 

Swee

 

 

On 1/30/07 2:28 PM, "Visti Larsen" <visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) com>

wrote:Swee Chan

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Dear Swee and Pierre-Olivier, Namaskar

May i add Pierre that when you have 'a problem' with a person, its

considered a very personal statement and a sign of dislike or distaste.

I'm sure you do not have any personal problems with Sanjayji, and i do

understand that English is not your mother tongue.

 

Sanjayji clarified two things to me in this regard:

1) Karakamsa in navamsa lagna is - Rajyasambandha yoga. I.e. it gives

association with the topmost people in a field of profession. It does

NOT give ShrimantaH yoga which is a sign of wealth.

 

2) If the dispositor of the karakamsa is placed in a dusthana or neecha

in navamsa, then the power and wealth comes later on. In some cases

like in Dhanus this shows a family who has fallen from power.

Parivartana can also show power coming later on.

 

The nature of the planets involved shows which type of power.

 

Yours sincerely,

[Guest guest]

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Dear Visti,

 

To say my feelings and make it short after I have read your exchanges with Swee:When people were giving their data on the lists and it happened the AK fell in lagnamsa (here, Visti, I may insist that the word is very correct as far as placement of AK in navamsa of lagna is concerned; in fact, there is nothing I have invented), Sanjay was used to ask first whether they were born in a big family or akin to royalty and not if they had had lung problems or anything.

 

This has been a recurrent dictum, and a strong one at that, since the lesson on Ishta Devata by Sanjay in September 2001. Hence, Swee has shifted the lagna in both Marie Curie and Beethoven cases.

 

Personally, I dare not do so because Sanjay has also written that the merging of the karakamsa and the lagnamsa was a stage for self actualisation.

 

Fact is that you cannot differentiate between a royal baby and a budding nobel prize on the sole basis of the placement of the AK in the lagnamsa. I mean: a priori of course ; )

 

I wish I could read those simple words long before I write them myself.

 

One additional note, if permitted:Cannot the teaching be straight and to the point? At my level, which is low, I don’t need a fireworks each time I ask a question. I just need sometimes a little ray of light, precisely spotted. This is not conflicting with jyotish, is it? Beside the show, did you notice that a fireworks makes people just stay static.

 

Dear Swee,I shall naturally "refer to BPHS first" as soon as it will be translated/ commented by Sanjay as he has already done for the Jaimini Sutra's.

 

Best Regards,

 

Pierre-Olivier

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Jaya Jagannatha

 

Dear Visti,

Namaste

 

Back to swamsa – the kendras to AK Moon in navamsa are with malefics – Rahu and Mars. The Moon always has to be involved where lung diseases are concerned. That was caused by radioactivity poisoning for sure with the conglomeration of malefics in kendra from AK Moon and 6th from lagna in rasi – work related hazzards.

 

As for RY through Karakamsha’s placement in 7th and that comes later after marriage – let me remind you that in the olden days people married in their teenage years. Is this later or earlier?

 

Next, how do you correlate her poor folks with AK in the lagnamsa? That IS the mainstay.

 

Love,

 

Swee

 

 

On 1/30/07 5:45 PM, " Visti Larsen " <visti wrote:Swee Chan

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Dear Swee, Namaskar

I'm having trouble following your thoughts. Good inference reg. the sloka but it has nothing to do with the persons rajayoga.

My attempt to answer your thoughts follows:

 

The Taurus lagna gives 3 benefics in kendras instead of malefics. This way, Rahu in own sign Kanya is now in trines to lagnamsa. She was a researcher of note.

 

Visti: Fine, ok. I believe she died of some disease related to her discoveries? Rahu-Mars in the fourth shows especially lung problems.

 

But as most assessments are done with placement of planets to the Karakamsha.... So which ones are applicable? I’d say both though there is an obvious shift with the lagnamsa with Venus the lagnamsa lord in a kendra as well as Jupiter and Mercury.

 

Visti: Svamsa can mean atmakaraka, navamsa lagna and moons navamsa. Lagnamsa is not the correct term as it actually refers to the rasi lagna in the navamsa. In this case Gemini.

Navamsa Lagna is used to see abilities, whilst Karakamsa shows that which we wish to study, or have a strong desire to master.

 

What I am trying to understand is why should AK in lagnamsa be associated with people???

 

Visti: What happened? Where are we now? Are you asking why we need people to help us get rajayoga?

 

In COVA, Sanjay ji succinctly puts it, it is self actualisation. Venus is her 5th lord of rashi with lagna lord creating a dimantah yoga and in navamsa, Venus is in a kendra with the time shift.

 

Visti: ?

 

I recall that if karakamsha is in the 7th, power comes later now you tell me it should be in the

8th....Where did you get your sloka from?

 

Visti: Karakamsa in the seventh means the power comes after marriage. So naturally it comes later. Who said eighth? Are we still looking at Marie Curie's chart?

 

Yours sincerely,

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Dear Swee, Namaskar

Ok, thats better.

Are you referring to the sloka reg. planets in 1st, 3rd, 7th and 9th

causing results late in life?

 

A disease seen from karakamsa... So you mean to say her soul was

having lung problems? Agreed that its in the fourth from Moon hence

problems to sharira can arise, but i feel this should be seen from

lagna.

 

Mercury is the dispositor of the karakamsa and is placed in the

sixth house. There cannot be much wealth here for this reason, but it

will improve with time.

 

Yours sincerely,

 

 

--

 

Visti Larsen

email: visti

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Swee Chan wrote:

 

 

 

Jaya Jagannatha

 

Dear Visti,

Namaste

 

Back to swamsa – the kendras to AK Moon in navamsa are with malefics –

Rahu and Mars. The Moon always has to be involved where lung diseases

are concerned. That was caused by radioactivity poisoning for sure with

the conglomeration of malefics in kendra from AK Moon and 6th from

lagna in rasi – work related hazzards.

 

As for RY through Karakamsha’s placement in 7th and that comes later

after marriage – let me remind you that in the olden days people

married in their teenage years. Is this later or earlier?

 

Next, how do you correlate her poor folks with AK in the lagnamsa? That

IS the mainstay.

 

Love,

 

Swee

 

 

On 1/30/07 5:45 PM, "Visti Larsen" <visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) com>

wrote:Swee Chan

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Untitled Document हरे राम कृषà¥à¤£à¥¥

 

Dear Swee, Namaskar

I'm having trouble following your thoughts. Good inference reg. the

sloka but it has nothing to do with the persons rajayoga.

My attempt to answer your thoughts follows:

 

The Taurus lagna gives 3 benefics in kendras instead of malefics. This

way, Rahu in own sign Kanya is now in trines to lagnamsa. She was a

researcher of note.

 

Visti: Fine, ok. I believe she died of

some disease related to her discoveries? Rahu-Mars in the fourth shows

especially lung problems.

 

But as most assessments are done with placement of planets to the

Karakamsha.... So which ones are applicable? I’d say both though

there is an obvious shift with the lagnamsa with Venus the lagnamsa

lord in a kendra as well as Jupiter and Mercury.

 

Visti: Svamsa can mean

atmakaraka, navamsa lagna and moons navamsa. Lagnamsa is not the

correct term as it actually refers to the rasi lagna in the navamsa. In

this case Gemini.

Navamsa Lagna is used to see abilities, whilst Karakamsa shows that

which we wish to study, or have a strong desire to master.

 

What I am trying to understand is why should AK in lagnamsa be

associated with people???

 

Visti: What happened? Where are we now? Are you asking why we need

people to help us get rajayoga?

 

In COVA, Sanjay ji succinctly puts it, it is self actualisation. Venus

is her 5th lord of rashi with lagna lord creating a dimantah yoga and

in navamsa, Venus is in a kendra with the time shift.

 

Visti: ?

 

I recall that if karakamsha is in the 7th, power comes later now you

tell me it should be in the

8th....Where did you get your sloka from?

 

Visti: Karakamsa in the

seventh means the power comes after marriage. So naturally it comes

later. Who said eighth? Are we still looking at Marie Curie's chart?

 

Yours sincerely,

[Guest guest]

Jaya Jagannatha

 

Dear Visti

Namaste

 

Now, now this is co-lords at its best ;-)) (chuckle) Still skirting the issue I see. You’ve mixed things up yourself and you shove it down my path....wrt illness.

 

OK, I’ll leave things be.

 

Love,

 

Swee

 

 

On 1/30/07 6:58 PM, " Visti Larsen " <visti wrote:Swee Chan

 

 

 

 

 

 

Untitled Document हरे राम कृषà¥à¤£à¥¥

 

Dear Swee, Namaskar

Ok, thats better.

Are you referring to the sloka reg. planets in 1st, 3rd, 7th and 9th causing results late in life?

 

A disease seen from karakamsa... So you mean to say her soul was having lung problems? Agreed that its in the fourth from Moon hence problems to sharira can arise, but i feel this should be seen from lagna.

 

Mercury is the dispositor of the karakamsa and is placed in the sixth house. There cannot be much wealth here for this reason, but it will improve with time.

 

Yours sincerely,

[Guest guest]

| om gurave namah |

 

Thank you gurudeva.

 

Pierre-Olivier

 

 

Dans un e-mail daté du 31/01/2007 04:54:15 Paris, Madrid, sanjayrath a écrit :

 

 

| om gurave namah |Dear Pierre,

Persistence pays...so here it is

"Atmakaraka in lagna in navamsa is a blessed birth. Thats all to it. In the days of yore people considered birth in a Royal family as being very blessed and the native was considered a representative of God. In simpler words, the native has the *power of self actualisation*. When you find this in any chart, look at the luminaries very carefully, as in reality they are the Royalty - they are the Surya Vansa and Chandra vansha or the Sun/Moon lineages to which Royal families can belong...more later but do not miss this factor."

Now save this somewhere....and think

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sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of PoloiselSent: Tuesday, January 30, 2007 8:01 PMsohamsa Subject: Re: AK Moon in Swamsa - an exception? -- to Swee ji

 

 

 

 

| om gurave namah |

 

Dear Sarbani ji,

 

I know Sanjay would have take it in good part and this is how I took the lesson from Visti ji which can be useful in some other lists less unmoderated.

I certainly would have more fun if I could write in French.

 

My real problem or interest is in getting an answer to my question on AK in lagnamsa.

 

Thank you for your nice words. I appreciated wery much.

 

Yours truly,

 

Pierre-Olivier

 

Dans un e-mail daté du 30/01/2007 15:21:40 Paris, Madrid, sarbani (AT) (DOT) org a écrit :

 

Shri Brahmadaru Smarami

 

Dear Pierre,

 

Just to let you know that all of us on the list did not think that saying that you have a 'problem' was a personal statement; rather its an expression of academic thinking, implying that you were puzzled about something! This is an unmoderated list where no one is allowed to police the other. It does not belong to any organization either! Have fun!

 

Best Regards,

 

Sarbani Sarkar Rath

 

 

[Guest guest]

 

 

| om gurave namah |Dear Pierre,

Persistence pays...so here it is

"Atmakaraka in lagna in navamsa is a blessed birth. Thats all to it. In the days of yore people considered birth in a Royal family as being very blessed and the native was considered a representative of God. In simpler words, the native has the *power of self actualisation*. When you find this in any chart, look at the luminaries very carefully, as in reality they are the Royalty - they are the Surya Vansa and Chandra vansha or the Sun/Moon lineages to which Royal families can belong...more later but do not miss this factor."

Now save this somewhere....and think

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sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of PoloiselSent: Tuesday, January 30, 2007 8:01 PMsohamsa Subject: Re: AK Moon in Swamsa - an exception? -- to Swee ji

 

 

 

 

| om gurave namah |

 

Dear Sarbani ji,

 

I know Sanjay would have take it in good part and this is how I took the lesson from Visti ji which can be useful in some other lists less unmoderated.

I certainly would have more fun if I could write in French.

 

My real problem or interest is in getting an answer to my question on AK in lagnamsa.

 

Thank you for your nice words. I appreciated wery much.

 

Yours truly,

 

Pierre-Olivier

 

Dans un e-mail dat¨¦ du 30/01/2007 15:21:40 Paris, Madrid, sarbani (AT) (DOT) org a ¨¦crit :

 

Shri Brahmadaru Smarami

 

Dear Pierre,

 

Just to let you know that all of us on the list did not think that saying that you have a 'problem' was a personal statement; rather its an expression of academic thinking, implying that you were puzzled about something! This is an unmoderated list where no one is allowed to police the other. It does not belong to any organization either! Have fun!

 

Best Regards,

 

Sarbani Sarkar Rath

 

 

 

 

 

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Respected Guruji,

 

Namaskar.

 

Being blessed is really more significant than being born a "Royal".

Is this blessing also there when the Karakamsa aspects lagna?

Thank you for the golden nugget.

 

Regards

Nalini

 

 

 

 

Sanjay Rath <sanjayrathsohamsa Sent: Wednesday, 31 January, 2007 4:49:41 PMRE: AK Moon in Swamsa - an exception? -- to Swee ji

 

 

 

 

 

| om gurave namah |Dear Pierre,

Persistence pays...so here it is

"Atmakaraka in lagna in navamsa is a blessed birth. Thats all to it. In the days of yore people considered birth in a Royal family as being very blessed and the native was considered a representative of God. In simpler words, the native has the *power of self actualisation* . When you find this in any chart, look at the luminaries very carefully, as in reality they are the Royalty - they are the Surya Vansa and Chandra vansha or the Sun/Moon lineages to which Royal families can belong...more later but do not miss this factor."

Now save this somewhere... .and think

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| om gurave namah |

 

Dear Sarbani ji,

 

I know Sanjay would have take it in good part and this is how I took the lesson from Visti ji which can be useful in some other lists less unmoderated.

I certainly would have more fun if I could write in French.

 

My real problem or interest is in getting an answer to my question on AK in lagnamsa.

 

Thank you for your nice words. I appreciated wery much.

 

Yours truly,

 

Pierre-Olivier

 

Dans un e-mail daté du 30/01/2007 15:21:40 Paris, Madrid, sarbani@srijagannat h.org a écrit :

 

Shri Brahmadaru Smarami

 

Dear Pierre,

 

Just to let you know that all of us on the list did not think that saying that you have a 'problem' was a personal statement; rather its an expression of academic thinking, implying that you were puzzled about something! This is an unmoderated list where no one is allowed to police the other. It does not belong to any organization either! Have fun!

 

Best Regards,

 

Sarbani Sarkar Rath

 

 

 

 

 

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Dear Sanjay ji,

Namaste

 

Not saying that I am great in self actualisation, the AK in the lagnamsa means I have to shift my time by 9 minutes! How do I explain my studies on yantras if these go to the 4th house? Please elucidate.

 

Love,

 

Swee

 

 

On 1/31/07 5:49 AM, " Sanjay Rath " <sanjayrath wrote:Swee Chan

 

 

| om gurave namah |

Dear Pierre,

 

Persistence pays...so here it is

 

" Atmakaraka in lagna in navamsa is a blessed birth. Thats all to it. In the days of yore people considered birth in a Royal family as being very blessed and the native was considered a representative of God. In simpler words, the native has the *power of self actualisation*. When you find this in any chart, look at the luminaries very carefully, as in reality they are the Royalty - they are the Surya Vansa and Chandra vansha or the Sun/Moon lineages to which Royal families can belong...more later but do not miss this factor. "

 

Now save this somewhere....and think

 

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Tuesday, January 30, 2007 8:01 PM

sohamsa

Re: AK Moon in Swamsa - an exception? -- to Swee ji

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

| om gurave namah |

 

 

 

Dear Sarbani ji,

 

 

 

I know Sanjay would have take it in good part and this is how I took the lesson from Visti ji which can be useful in some other lists less unmoderated.

 

I certainly would have more fun if I could write in French.

 

 

 

My real problem or interest is in getting an answer to my question on AK in lagnamsa.

 

 

 

Thank you for your nice words. I appreciated wery much.

 

 

 

Yours truly,

 

 

 

Pierre-Olivier

 

 

 

Dans un e-mail daté du 30/01/2007 15:21:40 Paris, Madrid, sarbani a écrit :

 

 

Shri Brahmadaru Smarami

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Pierre,

 

 

 

Just to let you know that all of us on the list did not think that saying that you have a 'problem' was a personal statement; rather its an expression of academic thinking, implying that you were puzzled about something! This is an unmoderated list where no one is allowed to police the other. It does not belong to any organization either! Have fun!

 

 

 

Best Regards,

 

 

 

Sarbani Sarkar Rath

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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om gurave namah|

 

Dear Gurudeva,

 

.... And the devata's in the navamsa show the various paths to the ayana's. There is not much free will for the native in navamsa... Then we go the the rasi chart, the karma amsa, etc... and read about the little the native can do?

 

Yours truly,Pierre

 

Dans un e-mail daté du 01/02/2007 12:47:10 Paris, Madrid, Poloisel a écrit :

| om gurave namah -|Dear Gurudeva,The Atmakaraka is the king of the Horoscope while the Sun and Moon represent Krishna and Rama, i.e Dharma. Therefore from the Dharma amsa we can judge what the Sun and the Moon have assigned to the AK i.e. what they will favour in the life of the native. In fact, there is an `obedience' of the atmakaraka to a bigger King than him. Is it correct?Yours truly,Pierresohamsa , "Sanjay Rath" <sanjayrath wrote:>> > > > | om gurave namah |> Dear Pierre,> > Persistence pays...so here it is> > "Atmakaraka in lagna in navamsa is a blessed birth. Thats all to it. In> the days of yore people considered birth in a Royal family as being very> blessed and the native was considered a representative of God. In simpler> words, the native has the *power of self actualisation*. When you find this> in any chart, look at the luminaries very carefully, as in reality they are> the Royalty - they are the Surya Vansa and Chandra vansha or the Sun/Moon> lineages to which Royal families can belong...more later but do not miss> this factor."> > Now save this somewhere....and think> > Best wishes and warm regards,> Sanjay Rath

 

 

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| om gurave namah -|

 

Dear Gurudeva,

 

The Atmakaraka is the king of the Horoscope while the Sun and Moon

represent Krishna and Rama, i.e Dharma. Therefore from the Dharma

amsa we can judge what the Sun and the Moon have assigned to the AK

i.e. what they will favour in the life of the native. In fact, there

is an `obedience' of the atmakaraka to a bigger King than him. Is it

correct?

 

Yours truly,

Pierre

 

 

sohamsa , " Sanjay Rath " <sanjayrath wrote:

>

>

>

>

> | om gurave namah |

> Dear Pierre,

>

> Persistence pays...so here it is

>

> " Atmakaraka in lagna in navamsa is a blessed birth. Thats all to

it. In

> the days of yore people considered birth in a Royal family as being

very

> blessed and the native was considered a representative of God. In

simpler

> words, the native has the *power of self actualisation*. When you

find this

> in any chart, look at the luminaries very carefully, as in reality

they are

> the Royalty - they are the Surya Vansa and Chandra vansha or the

Sun/Moon

> lineages to which Royal families can belong...more later but do not

miss

> this factor. "

>

> Now save this somewhere....and think

>

> Best wishes and warm regards,

> Sanjay Rath

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> Re: AK Moon in Swamsa - an exception? -- to Swee

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> | om gurave namah |

>

> Dear Sarbani ji,

>

> I know Sanjay would have take it in good part and this is how I

took the

> lesson from Visti ji which can be useful in some other lists less

> unmoderated.

> I certainly would have more fun if I could write in French.

>

> My real problem or interest is in getting an answer to my question

on AK in

> lagnamsa.

>

> Thank you for your nice words. I appreciated wery much.

>

> Yours truly,

>

> Pierre-Olivier

>

> Dans un e-mail dat¨¦ du 30/01/2007 15:21:40 Paris, Madrid,

> sarbani a ¨¦crit :

>

>

> Shri Brahmadaru Smarami

>

> Dear Pierre,

>

> Just to let you know that all of us on the list did not think that

saying

> that you have a 'problem' was a personal statement; rather its an

expression

> of academic thinking, implying that you were puzzled about

something! This

> is an unmoderated list where no one is allowed to police the other.

It does

> not belong to any organization either! Have fun!

>

> Best Regards,

>

> Sarbani Sarkar Rath

>

>

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| om gurave namah |

 

Dear Nitin,

 

Touching.

I just had questions.

I am only sure that the good explanations will come from Sanjay in due time. He is the -ji.

 

Yours truly,

Pierre

 

 

Dans un e-mail daté du 02/02/2007 05:33:33 Paris, Madrid, nsdevan a écrit :

 

Pierreji:

Ceci vraiment éclaire, pourrait vous expliquer des amitiés peu plus...

sincères,

nitin

 

 

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Pierreji:

Ceci vraiment éclaire, pourrait vous expliquer des amitiés peu plus...

sincères,

nitin

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om gurave namah|

 

Dear Gurudeva,

 

.... And the devata's in the navamsa show the various paths to the ayana's. There is not much free will for the native in navamsa... Then we go the the rasi chart, the karma amsa, etc... and read about the little the native can do?

 

 

Yours truly,Pierre

 

Dans un e-mail daté du 01/02/2007 12:47:10 Paris, Madrid, Poloisel a écrit :

 

| om gurave namah -|Dear Gurudeva,The Atmakaraka is the king of the Horoscope while the Sun and Moon represent Krishna and Rama, i.e Dharma. Therefore from the Dharma amsa we can judge what the Sun and the Moon have assigned to the AK i.e. what they will favour in the life of the native. In fact, there is an `obedience' of the atmakaraka to a bigger King than him. Is it correct?Yours truly,Pierresohamsa , " Sanjay Rath " <sanjayrath wrote:>> > > > | om gurave namah |> Dear Pierre,> > Persistence pays...so here it is> > " Atmakaraka in lagna in navamsa is a blessed birth. Thats all to it. In> the days of yore people considered birth in a Royal family as being very> blessed and the native was considered a representative of God. In simpler> words, the native has the *power of self actualisation*. When you find this> in any chart, look at the luminaries very carefully, as in reality they are> the Royalty - they are the Surya Vansa and Chandra vansha or the Sun/Moon> lineages to which Royal families can belong...more later but do not miss> this factor. " >

> Now save this somewhere....and think> > Best wishes and warm regards,> Sanjay Rath

 

 

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| om gurave namah |

 

Dear Gurudeva,

 

....And in case the native chooses (if really the alternative exists)

to please the AK in the concerned varga's, despite the agreement of

God as seen in navamsa, then the native gets punished? Can he even

succeed? Who punishes- God (I cannot imagine) during a period related

to the AK or the AK who initiated the program (not always a nice

fellow, the AK) ?

Do I bother ?

 

Yours truly,

Pierre

 

 

sohamsa , Poloisel wrote:

>

>

> om gurave namah|

>

> Dear Gurudeva,

>

> ... And the devata's in the navamsa show the various paths to the

ayana's.

> There is not much free will for the native in navamsa... Then we go

the the

> rasi chart, the karma amsa, etc... and read about the little the

native can do?

>

> Yours truly,

> Pierre

>

> Dans un e-mail daté du 01/02/2007 12:47:10 Paris, Madrid,

Poloisel a

> écrit :

>

> | om gurave namah -|

>

> Dear Gurudeva,

>

> The Atmakaraka is the king of the Horoscope while the Sun and Moon

> represent Krishna and Rama, i.e Dharma. Therefore from the Dharma

> amsa we can judge what the Sun and the Moon have assigned to the

AK

> i.e. what they will favour in the life of the native. In fact,

there

> is an `obedience' of the atmakaraka to a bigger King than him. Is

it

> correct?

>

> Yours truly,

> Pierre

>

>

> sohamsa , " Sanjay Rath " <sanjayrath@> wrote:

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > | om gurave namah |

> > Dear Pierre,

> >

> > Persistence pays...so here it is

> >

> > " Atmakaraka in lagna in navamsa is a blessed birth. Thats all

to

> it. In

> > the days of yore people considered birth in a Royal family as

being

> very

> > blessed and the native was considered a representative of God.

In

> simpler

> > words, the native has the *power of self actualisation*. When

you

> find this

> > in any chart, look at the luminaries very carefully, as in

reality

> they are

> > the Royalty - they are the Surya Vansa and Chandra vansha or the

> Sun/Moon

> > lineages to which Royal families can belong...more later but do

not

> miss

> > this factor. "

> >

> > Now save this somewhere....and think

> >

> > Best wishes and warm regards,

> > Sanjay Rath

>