Fundamentals ([Sun Signs] Vaisakh - Aries (April 15 - May 14) - to POL)

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Dear Friends,

 

Namaskar!

 

This is an interesting exchange and I learned a few things. I am

presenting my chart here for your comments. My Venus is afflicted by

Mars and Rahu by conjunction, and Ketu is 7th from it. In 7th bhava,

I have retrograde Saturn who is also the lord of the house and

aspects my lagna - whose lord is Sun. Does that mean I have nothing

to cheer for relationship maters; either marital or business? What

would be your interpretation for that area of my life?

 

DOB: Aug 15 1964

TOB: 7:12 AM IST

POB: Bhubaneswar (85:50E, 20:14N)

 

Sudhir

>

>

> हरे राम कृषà¥à¤£à¥¥

>

> Dear Pierre-Olivier and group, Namaskar

> Atma (soul), Mana (mind) and Tanu (body). These correspond to the

i)

> Charakarakas, ii) Naisargika karakas and iii) Sthira karakas

> respectively. The dhi or intelligence is an addition to these

three,

> which has been created by Vasudeva (refer creation). Through the

lagna

> we have Bhaava. Look up the sanskrit word for this and you will

find

> that it means much more than just house. It means /'approach'/ or

> /'manner of acting/condition, state etc'/.

> So each bhaava in the chart shows:

> i) how we approach a certain aspect of life (bhaava itself)

> ii) how we are approached by those people indicated by those

aspects of

> life (bhaavesha - lordship)

>

> For now i will omit the Chara karakas from this discussion. We are

thus

> left with:

> i. the analysis of the mana/mind (karaka) and its experiences with

> certain bhaavas.

> ii. the analysis of the mana/mind (karaka) and its experiences with

> certain people (bhavesha).

>

> Bhaava from Lagna shows how you approach those various activities

in

> life. I.e. if you have Mars in tenth you will be aggressive in

work. If

> you have Saturn in tenth you will be very slow and take your time

to

> finish things. If you have nodes in seventh you may cheat on your

wife

> (ref: sarvartha chintamani). Now why do you think Parasara says

that if

> Mars is in seventh the native will have three broken marriages?

> It has to do with ones approach, and naturally how you approach is

what

> you get.

>

> Bhaava in the rasi shows how 'I' approach the various aspects of my

> life, but to get a detailed understanding of the character and

traits of

> other people i must see the divisional chart associated with them.

In a

> sense the Rasi is the self-centric view of everything, and thus

becomes

> the most important chart. I.e. Seventh house in rasi shows how I

> approach relationships, but its the seventh house in navamsa

through

> which i can describe the spouse and his/her traits.

>

> Bhaava from Karaka shows how we experience various activities in

life.

> I.e. the sambandha between Venus and the fourth house shows how our

> experience of vehicles and similar comforts impact our PERCEPTION

of

> vehicles. The sambandha between Venus and the seventh house will

show

> how we see relationships and how they affect us. I.e. I have Venus

in

> the second house and have had to come to terms with a very warped

idea

> about relationships as the seventh house will sit in the sixth

> (celibacy, competitions, etc) from Venus. Had malefics also been

placed

> in the seventh (wrong approach), or the seventh lord was associated

with

> malefics (wrong partners) this could have been disastrous.

>

> Bhaavesh from Karaka shows how we experience various people in our

life.

> I.e. the sambandha between Venus and the seventh lord shows how the

> specific partners affect us in life and make us feel. Thus the

> experience of married life vs. the experience of having a

spouse/partner

> can be completely different things.

>

> The Karaka-bhava, i.e. for Guru: ninth house/lord from Jupiter, or

for

> relationships: seventh house/lord from Venus, show how that

specific

> person is brought to your Mana/mind. The ninth house is there for

every

> lagna, but yet not everyone has a Guru. So also if the ninth

house/lord

> from Jupiter is under influence this will affect how ones Guru

comes

> into ones life, or is inhibited from the same. Similarly everyone

has a

> father, but if the ninth house/lord from Sun is afflicted then one

may

> be separated from the father. Thus here we are analyzing to the

various

> people coming to your attention/mind/mana.

>

> Finally Karaka itself shows the overall nature of ones experiences

> related to that karaka. If Venus is afflicted the person will not

look

> very happily at the prospect of relationships, i.e. Venus joined

Sun,

> Mars, Saturn, Rahu and Ketu can show: Ego, Anger, Sorrow, Shock and

> Headlessness as problems in relationships respectively. The more of

> these afflicting the same, the worse the situation, but this is

> attributed to the self and is a result of being in experiences with

> other people, but not necessarily caused by other people.

>

> Whew!.. there is a lot more such as the sambandha between lords

Tithi,

> Vara, Nakshatra, Yoga and Karana with the various bhaavas, not to

speak

> of the use of Chara karakas which are the most important.

>

> I have given examples of these karaka/bhava principles in the

seventh

> house chapter in my book. I do recommend referring to the same for

> further understanding.

>

> Yours sincerely,

>

> --

> Visti Larsen

> email: visti <visti

> For consultations, free mp3's and articles visit:

http://srigaruda.com

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>

>

> Poloisel wrote:

> >

> > | om gurave namah |

> >

> >

> >

> > Dear Visti ji, pranams

> >

> >

> >

> > You wrote:

> >

> > " Saying that Mars in seventh makes a person look for a fighting

spouse

> > is like saying that Saturn in seventh makes a person look for a

dead

> > spouse. "

> >

> >

> >

> > We agree, it was absurd since the beginning.

> >

> > (Now, this new argument is also wrong. Personnally, I only would

say

> > Saturn in the 7th †" from Venus †" may indicate an older

spouse.)

> >

> >

> >

> > If the seventh were “what you are seeking in relationshipsâ€

according

> > to you whereas “Mars in the [same] seventh causes sorrow in

married

> > life†(COVA p. 255), then it would follow that Mars in the

seventh

> > makes a person looking for sorrow on account of the spouse.

> >

> >

> >

> > Yours respectfully

> >

> >

> >

> > Pierre-Olivier Loisel

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Dans un e-mail daté du 28/01/2007 11:56:29 Paris, Madrid,

> > visti a écrit :

> >

> > हरे राम कृषà¥à¤£à¥¥

> >

> > Dear Pierre-Olivier, Namaskar

> > If a person has Mars in the seventh, they look for partners

with

> > lots of energy and dynamism.

> > If Mars is afflicted, then the person may be looking for more

than

> > that - who are we to judge?

> > Saying that Mars in seventh makes a person look for a fighting

> > spouse is like saying that Saturn in seventh makes a person

look

> > for a dead spouse. no no no... you must rethink your approach

to this.

> >

> > Yours sincerely,

> >

> > --

> > Visti Larsen

> > email: visti <visti

> > For consultations, free mp3's and articles visit:

> > http://srigaruda.com <http://srigaruda.com/>

> >

> >

> > Poloisel wrote:

> >>

> >> |om gurave namah|

> >>

> >> Dear Sundeep, dear Soul,

> >>

> >> There was no need for such long mails for which I thank you

> >> anyway. Sundeep, I think we agree in toto.

> >>

> >> In the beginning, Vistiji had written:

> >>

> >> “Planets in the seventh show the exact opposite nature of

whom we

> >> are i.e Mars in the seventh makes a person very caring and

nice...â€

> >>

> >> and

> >>

> >> “Opposites attract is really the theme for the seventh,

and so

> >> also what you are seeking in relationships also indicates

how you

> >> will behave.â€

> >>

> >> Now I have to struggle with my English:

> >>

> >> Assuming Vistiji was refering to the seventh from lagna, the

> >> question “Who would look for a fighting spouse?†came to

my mind.

> >>

> >> Since then, neither diluting considerations relying on

> >> psychoanalysis nor the coming of a Ruchak Yoga as a deus ex

> >> machina could rescue these vague statements.

> >>

> >> Strictly, the seventh †" from lagna- being the door through

which

> >> we interact with the world doesn’t imply it indicates what

we are

> >> seeking in relationships. The seventh from Venus would make

more

> >> sense. Besides, opposites don’t necessarily attracts.

> >>

> >> With kind regards,

> >>

> >> Piere-Olivier Loisel

> >>

> >> P.S. What does “Whew...†mean?

> >>

> >

> >

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