Guest guest Posted January 28, 2007 Report Share Posted January 28, 2007 Hare Rama Krishna, Dear Visti, Namaskar, I am astounded by your ability to articulate abstruse and recondite concepts with crystal clear clarity. I am thinking maybe you are the reincarnation of Tycho Brahe(maybe in a metaphorical sense only), who was not only a brilliant astronomer,astrologer,alchemist,philosopher and scientist,but until the 20th century the most famous Danish " export " to European culture. Young Kepler, evidently poisoned his Guru (Tycho),in order to get hold of his manuscripts. (and of course published the as his own). Ah 500 years passes so fast. (I only wish that you have inherited some of Tycho's wealth....) Anyway... just ruminations. With deep respect: Arpadh sohamsa , Visti Larsen <visti wrote: > > > हरे राम कृषà¥à¤£à¥¥ > > Dear Pierre-Olivier and group, Namaskar > Atma (soul), Mana (mind) and Tanu (body). These correspond to the i) > Charakarakas, ii) Naisargika karakas and iii) Sthira karakas > respectively. The dhi or intelligence is an addition to these three, > which has been created by Vasudeva (refer creation). Through the lagna > we have Bhaava. Look up the sanskrit word for this and you will find > that it means much more than just house. It means /'approach'/ or > /'manner of acting/condition, state etc'/. > So each bhaava in the chart shows: > i) how we approach a certain aspect of life (bhaava itself) > ii) how we are approached by those people indicated by those aspects of > life (bhaavesha - lordship) > > For now i will omit the Chara karakas from this discussion. We are thus > left with: > i. the analysis of the mana/mind (karaka) and its experiences with > certain bhaavas. > ii. the analysis of the mana/mind (karaka) and its experiences with > certain people (bhavesha). > > Bhaava from Lagna shows how you approach those various activities in > life. I.e. if you have Mars in tenth you will be aggressive in work. If > you have Saturn in tenth you will be very slow and take your time to > finish things. If you have nodes in seventh you may cheat on your wife > (ref: sarvartha chintamani). Now why do you think Parasara says that if > Mars is in seventh the native will have three broken marriages? > It has to do with ones approach, and naturally how you approach is what > you get. > > Bhaava in the rasi shows how 'I' approach the various aspects of my > life, but to get a detailed understanding of the character and traits of > other people i must see the divisional chart associated with them. In a > sense the Rasi is the self-centric view of everything, and thus becomes > the most important chart. I.e. Seventh house in rasi shows how I > approach relationships, but its the seventh house in navamsa through > which i can describe the spouse and his/her traits. > > Bhaava from Karaka shows how we experience various activities in life. > I.e. the sambandha between Venus and the fourth house shows how our > experience of vehicles and similar comforts impact our PERCEPTION of > vehicles. The sambandha between Venus and the seventh house will show > how we see relationships and how they affect us. I.e. I have Venus in > the second house and have had to come to terms with a very warped idea > about relationships as the seventh house will sit in the sixth > (celibacy, competitions, etc) from Venus. Had malefics also been placed > in the seventh (wrong approach), or the seventh lord was associated with > malefics (wrong partners) this could have been disastrous. > > Bhaavesh from Karaka shows how we experience various people in our life. > I.e. the sambandha between Venus and the seventh lord shows how the > specific partners affect us in life and make us feel. Thus the > experience of married life vs. the experience of having a spouse/partner > can be completely different things. > > The Karaka-bhava, i.e. for Guru: ninth house/lord from Jupiter, or for > relationships: seventh house/lord from Venus, show how that specific > person is brought to your Mana/mind. The ninth house is there for every > lagna, but yet not everyone has a Guru. So also if the ninth house/lord > from Jupiter is under influence this will affect how ones Guru comes > into ones life, or is inhibited from the same. Similarly everyone has a > father, but if the ninth house/lord from Sun is afflicted then one may > be separated from the father. Thus here we are analyzing to the various > people coming to your attention/mind/mana. > > Finally Karaka itself shows the overall nature of ones experiences > related to that karaka. If Venus is afflicted the person will not look > very happily at the prospect of relationships, i.e. Venus joined Sun, > Mars, Saturn, Rahu and Ketu can show: Ego, Anger, Sorrow, Shock and > Headlessness as problems in relationships respectively. The more of > these afflicting the same, the worse the situation, but this is > attributed to the self and is a result of being in experiences with > other people, but not necessarily caused by other people. > > Whew!.. there is a lot more such as the sambandha between lords Tithi, > Vara, Nakshatra, Yoga and Karana with the various bhaavas, not to speak > of the use of Chara karakas which are the most important. > > I have given examples of these karaka/bhava principles in the seventh > house chapter in my book. I do recommend referring to the same for > further understanding. > > Yours sincerely, > > -- > Visti Larsen > email: visti <visti > For consultations, free mp3's and articles visit: http://srigaruda.com > <http://srigaruda.com> > > > Poloisel wrote: > > > > | om gurave namah | > > > > > > > > Dear Visti ji, pranams > > > > > > > > You wrote: > > > > " Saying that Mars in seventh makes a person look for a fighting spouse > > is like saying that Saturn in seventh makes a person look for a dead > > spouse. " > > > > > > > > We agree, it was absurd since the beginning. > > > > (Now, this new argument is also wrong. Personnally, I only would say > > Saturn in the 7th †" from Venus †" may indicate an older spouse.) > > > > > > > > If the seventh were “what you are seeking in relationships†according > > to you whereas “Mars in the [same] seventh causes sorrow in married > > life†(COVA p. 255), then it would follow that Mars in the seventh > > makes a person looking for sorrow on account of the spouse. > > > > > > > > Yours respectfully > > > > > > > > Pierre-Olivier Loisel > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dans un e-mail daté du 28/01/2007 11:56:29 Paris, Madrid, > > visti a écrit : > > > > हरे राम कृषà¥à¤£à¥¥ > > > > Dear Pierre-Olivier, Namaskar > > If a person has Mars in the seventh, they look for partners with > > lots of energy and dynamism. > > If Mars is afflicted, then the person may be looking for more than > > that - who are we to judge? > > Saying that Mars in seventh makes a person look for a fighting > > spouse is like saying that Saturn in seventh makes a person look > > for a dead spouse. no no no... you must rethink your approach to this. > > > > Yours sincerely, > > > > -- > > Visti Larsen > > email: visti <visti > > For consultations, free mp3's and articles visit: > > http://srigaruda.com <http://srigaruda.com/> > > > > > > Poloisel wrote: > >> > >> |om gurave namah| > >> > >> Dear Sundeep, dear Soul, > >> > >> There was no need for such long mails for which I thank you > >> anyway. Sundeep, I think we agree in toto. > >> > >> In the beginning, Vistiji had written: > >> > >> “Planets in the seventh show the exact opposite nature of whom we > >> are i.e Mars in the seventh makes a person very caring and nice...†> >> > >> and > >> > >> “Opposites attract is really the theme for the seventh, and so > >> also what you are seeking in relationships also indicates how you > >> will behave.†> >> > >> Now I have to struggle with my English: > >> > >> Assuming Vistiji was refering to the seventh from lagna, the > >> question “Who would look for a fighting spouse?†came to my mind. > >> > >> Since then, neither diluting considerations relying on > >> psychoanalysis nor the coming of a Ruchak Yoga as a deus ex > >> machina could rescue these vague statements. > >> > >> Strictly, the seventh †" from lagna- being the door through which > >> we interact with the world doesn’t imply it indicates what we are > >> seeking in relationships. The seventh from Venus would make more > >> sense. Besides, opposites don’t necessarily attracts. > >> > >> With kind regards, > >> > >> Piere-Olivier Loisel > >> > >> P.S. What does “Whew...†mean? > >> > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 30, 2007 Report Share Posted January 30, 2007 Untitled Document हरे राम कृष्ण॥ Dear Arpadh, Namaskar Thank you. I do hope that i do not suffer the same fate as Tycho Brahe though. Yours sincerely, -- Visti Larsen email: visti For consultations, free mp3's and articles visit: http://srigaruda.com Arpad Joo wrote: Hare Rama Krishna, Dear Visti, Namaskar, I am astounded by your ability to articulate abstruse and recondite concepts with crystal clear clarity. I am thinking maybe you are the reincarnation of Tycho Brahe(maybe in a metaphorical sense only), who was not only a brilliant astronomer,astrologer,alchemist,philosopher and scientist,but until the 20th century the most famous Danish "export" to European culture. Young Kepler, evidently poisoned his Guru (Tycho),in order to get hold of his manuscripts. (and of course published the as his own). Ah 500 years passes so fast. (I only wish that you have inherited some of Tycho's wealth....) Anyway... just ruminations. With deep respect: Arpadh sohamsa , Visti Larsen <visti wrote: > > > हरे राम कृषà¥à¤£à¥¥ > > Dear Pierre-Olivier and group, Namaskar > Atma (soul), Mana (mind) and Tanu (body). These correspond to the i) > Charakarakas, ii) Naisargika karakas and iii) Sthira karakas > respectively. The dhi or intelligence is an addition to these three, > which has been created by Vasudeva (refer creation). Through the lagna > we have Bhaava. Look up the sanskrit word for this and you will find > that it means much more than just house. It means /'approach'/ or > /'manner of acting/condition, state etc'/. > So each bhaava in the chart shows: > i) how we approach a certain aspect of life (bhaava itself) > ii) how we are approached by those people indicated by those aspects of > life (bhaavesha - lordship) > > For now i will omit the Chara karakas from this discussion. We are thus > left with: > i. the analysis of the mana/mind (karaka) and its experiences with > certain bhaavas. > ii. the analysis of the mana/mind (karaka) and its experiences with > certain people (bhavesha). > > Bhaava from Lagna shows how you approach those various activities in > life. I.e. if you have Mars in tenth you will be aggressive in work. If > you have Saturn in tenth you will be very slow and take your time to > finish things. If you have nodes in seventh you may cheat on your wife > (ref: sarvartha chintamani). Now why do you think Parasara says that if > Mars is in seventh the native will have three broken marriages? > It has to do with ones approach, and naturally how you approach is what > you get. > > Bhaava in the rasi shows how 'I' approach the various aspects of my > life, but to get a detailed understanding of the character and traits of > other people i must see the divisional chart associated with them. In a > sense the Rasi is the self-centric view of everything, and thus becomes > the most important chart. I.e. Seventh house in rasi shows how I > approach relationships, but its the seventh house in navamsa through > which i can describe the spouse and his/her traits. > > Bhaava from Karaka shows how we experience various activities in life. > I.e. the sambandha between Venus and the fourth house shows how our > experience of vehicles and similar comforts impact our PERCEPTION of > vehicles. The sambandha between Venus and the seventh house will show > how we see relationships and how they affect us. I.e. I have Venus in > the second house and have had to come to terms with a very warped idea > about relationships as the seventh house will sit in the sixth > (celibacy, competitions, etc) from Venus. Had malefics also been placed > in the seventh (wrong approach), or the seventh lord was associated with > malefics (wrong partners) this could have been disastrous. > > Bhaavesh from Karaka shows how we experience various people in our life. > I.e. the sambandha between Venus and the seventh lord shows how the > specific partners affect us in life and make us feel. Thus the > experience of married life vs. the experience of having a spouse/partner > can be completely different things. > > The Karaka-bhava, i.e. for Guru: ninth house/lord from Jupiter, or for > relationships: seventh house/lord from Venus, show how that specific > person is brought to your Mana/mind. The ninth house is there for every > lagna, but yet not everyone has a Guru. So also if the ninth house/lord > from Jupiter is under influence this will affect how ones Guru comes > into ones life, or is inhibited from the same. Similarly everyone has a > father, but if the ninth house/lord from Sun is afflicted then one may > be separated from the father. Thus here we are analyzing to the various > people coming to your attention/mind/mana. > > Finally Karaka itself shows the overall nature of ones experiences > related to that karaka. If Venus is afflicted the person will not look > very happily at the prospect of relationships, i.e. Venus joined Sun, > Mars, Saturn, Rahu and Ketu can show: Ego, Anger, Sorrow, Shock and > Headlessness as problems in relationships respectively. The more of > these afflicting the same, the worse the situation, but this is > attributed to the self and is a result of being in experiences with > other people, but not necessarily caused by other people. > > Whew!.. there is a lot more such as the sambandha between lords Tithi, > Vara, Nakshatra, Yoga and Karana with the various bhaavas, not to speak > of the use of Chara karakas which are the most important. > > I have given examples of these karaka/bhava principles in the seventh > house chapter in my book. I do recommend referring to the same for > further understanding. > > Yours sincerely, > > -- > Visti Larsen > email: visti <visti > For consultations, free mp3's and articles visit: http://srigaruda.com > <http://srigaruda.com> > > > Poloisel wrote: > > > > | om gurave namah | > > > > > > > > Dear Visti ji, pranams > > > > > > > > You wrote: > > > > "Saying that Mars in seventh makes a person look for a fighting spouse > > is like saying that Saturn in seventh makes a person look for a dead > > spouse." > > > > > > > > We agree, it was absurd since the beginning. > > > > (Now, this new argument is also wrong. Personnally, I only would say > > Saturn in the 7th â€" from Venus â€" may indicate an older spouse.) > > > > > > > > If the seventh were “what you are seeking in relationships†according > > to you whereas “Mars in the [same] seventh causes sorrow in married > > life†(COVA p. 255), then it would follow that Mars in the seventh > > makes a person looking for sorrow on account of the spouse. > > > > > > > > Yours respectfully > > > > > > > > Pierre-Olivier Loisel > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dans un e-mail daté du 28/01/2007 11:56:29 Paris, Madrid, > > visti a écrit : > > > > हरे राम कृषà¥à¤£à¥¥ > > > > Dear Pierre-Olivier, Namaskar > > If a person has Mars in the seventh, they look for partners with > > lots of energy and dynamism. > > If Mars is afflicted, then the person may be looking for more than > > that - who are we to judge? > > Saying that Mars in seventh makes a person look for a fighting > > spouse is like saying that Saturn in seventh makes a person look > > for a dead spouse. no no no... you must rethink your approach to this. > > > > Yours sincerely, > > > > -- > > Visti Larsen > > email: visti <visti > > For consultations, free mp3's and articles visit: > > http://srigaruda.com <http://srigaruda.com/> > > > > > > Poloisel wrote: > >> > >> |om gurave namah| > >> > >> Dear Sundeep, dear Soul, > >> > >> There was no need for such long mails for which I thank you > >> anyway. Sundeep, I think we agree in toto. > >> > >> In the beginning, Vistiji had written: > >> > >> “Planets in the seventh show the exact opposite nature of whom we > >> are i.e Mars in the seventh makes a person very caring and nice...†> >> > >> and > >> > >> “Opposites attract is really the theme for the seventh, and so > >> also what you are seeking in relationships also indicates how you > >> will behave.†> >> > >> Now I have to struggle with my English: > >> > >> Assuming Vistiji was refering to the seventh from lagna, the > >> question “Who would look for a fighting spouse?†came to my mind. > >> > >> Since then, neither diluting considerations relying on > >> psychoanalysis nor the coming of a Ruchak Yoga as a deus ex > >> machina could rescue these vague statements. > >> > >> Strictly, the seventh â€"from lagna- being the door through which > >> we interact with the world doesn’t imply it indicates what we are > >> seeking in relationships. The seventh from Venus would make more > >> sense. Besides, opposites don’t necessarily attracts. > >> > >> With kind regards, > >> > >> Piere-Olivier Loisel > >> > >> P.S. What does “Whew...†mean? > >> > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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