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Dear Pierre-Olivier,

The real problem is that there are so many different concepts that

have originated from completely independent researches from

different standpoints into the SAME subject by people of different

times and different cultures, and then all mapped into a single

language. Misinterpretations abound.

 

I think you are, very correctly in your own approach,

using " unconscious " in its loose and conversational meaning.

Unconscious to you is simply something you arent aware of but you

were aware of at some point e.g. a forgotten memory. I am

using " unconscious " as defined exhaustively by Jung. Yes marriage

has more to do with Dharma than the " unconscious " as you use the

term. However, what is the mechanism by which Dharma influences your

physical actions? Is it a material object that restrains your

action, much like a physical leash restrains a dog? You will agree

it is non-material, no? Vedic texts define several sareera (bodies)

which are non material which somehow influence the functioning of

the material body. The question is how?

 

Vedic and Indian texts in general start from the Indian and Eastern

conception of " ultimate " reality, which to them is non-material -

atma etc. So they focus more on defining non-material concepts and

not too much on delineating exactly how they affect the material

world, only the results of those effects. So you hear statements

like " Good dharma [non-material object] leads to good marriage[very

material and experienceable] " without any supporting proof showing

the mechanism by which this dharma controls marriage.

 

Western texts on the other hand are grounded in what THEY consider

the ultimate reality, which is the PHYSICAL world. So they focus

always on the mechanisms by which things act on physical reality, in

order to give that thing the status of " real " . Until they see a

mechanism they deny its reality. This leads to a great divide

between Eastern and Western thought, and in many ways, this divide

is reflected in the minds of many people.

 

Jung, being a Westerner, did a great service in unifying eastern and

western thought, by showing that the unconscious of human beings is

not only a vast repository of information, but that information is

not simply forgotten information, but may have things the human

never knew about, and can have considerable power over the human's

behavior.

 

In short, he essentially showed a mechanism by which a whole array

of non-material Eastern concepts can actually influence the life of

a human.

 

To an intellectual mongrel like myself, that is important. So my

understanding is " Dharma may act through one's unconscious in order

to influence one's marriage " . In the posts you are referring to, I

was only discussing these mechanisms, without contradicting

marriage's dependence on Dharma..

 

Whew..

 

Sundeep

 

 

sohamsa , Poloisel wrote:

>

>

> | Om Gurave Namah |

>

> Just to add that marriage has more to do with Dharma than with

> psychoanalysis, here at least, and to correct: *un*consciously (

inconsciouly is French).

>

> Pierre-Olivier Loisel

>

> Dans un e-mail daté du 24/01/2007 21:58:36 Paris, Madrid,

Poloisel a

> écrit :

>

>

> | Om Gurave Namah |

>

> Dear Sundeep,

>

> Even inconsciously...

> Above all, I have found nothing in COVA that corroborates the

statement:

> " planets in 7th show opposite nature " .

>

> With best wishes,

>

> The person who had written...

> Pierre-Olivier Loisel

>

> Dans un e-mail daté du 24/01/2007 19:44:14 Paris, Madrid,

> vedicastrostudent a écrit :

>

> And of course, to succinctly rephrase the person who had

> written, " Who would look for a fighting spouse " , the question-

> implicit-answer together is, " Who would *consciously* look for a

> fighting spouse " .

>

[Guest guest]

|om gurave namah|

 

Dear Sundeep, dear Soul,

 

There was no need for such long mails for which I thank you anyway. Sundeep, I think we agree in toto.

 

In the beginning, Vistiji had written:

“Planets in the seventh show the exact opposite nature of whom we are i.e Mars in the seventh makes a person very caring and nice...â€

and

“Opposites attract is really the theme for the seventh, and so also what you are seeking in relationships also indicates how you will behave.â€

 

 

Now I have to struggle with my English:

 

Assuming Vistiji was refering to the seventh from lagna, the question “Who would look for a fighting spouse?†came to my mind.

 

Since then, neither diluting considerations relying on psychoanalysis nor the coming of a Ruchak Yoga as a deus ex machina could rescue these vague statements.

 

Strictly, the seventh –from lagna- being the door through which we interact with the world doesn’t imply it indicates what we are seeking in relationships. The seventh from Venus would make more sense. Besides, opposites don’t necessarily attracts.

 

 

With kind regards,

 

Piere-Olivier Loisel

 

P.S. What does “Whew...†mean?

[Guest guest]

| om gurave namah |

 

Dear Sundeep,

 

Thank you for your kind words. Of course I can share everything you wish and that will be quickly done, I am afraid.

 

Male, 14th Aug 1963 01:50 CET 49n15 04e02 Reims, France (Gemini lagna).

Chart is attached.

 

Have a nice day,

 

Pierre-Olivier Loisel

 

Dans un e-mail daté du 28/01/2007 06:11:03 Paris, Madrid, vedicastrostudent a écrit :

Dear Pierre-Olivier,Thank you for your nice reply. It has given me a lot to think about for the next couple of days. You sound like a very deep thinker. Do you care to share your birthdata?By the way, "Whew" was more of a sound than a word. For example, when you push something very heavy and when you're done, you say "Whew" and wipe your forehead :-) I kind of felt like that when I wrote that long post..Regards,Sundeepsohamsa , Poloisel wrote:>> > |om gurave namah| > Dear Sundeep, dear Soul, > There was no need for such long mails for which I thank you anyway. Sundeep, > I think we agree in toto. > In the beginning, Vistiji had written: > “Planets in the seventh show the exact opposite nature of whom we are i.e > Mars in the seventh makes a person very caring and nice...†> and > “Opposites attract is really the theme for the seventh, and so also what you > are seeking in relationships also indicates how you will behave.†> Now I have to struggle with my English: > Assuming Vistiji was refering to the seventh from lagna, the question “Who > would look for a fighting spouse?†came to my mind. > Since then, neither diluting considerations relying on psychoanalysis nor > the coming of a Ruchak Yoga as a deus ex machina could rescue these vague > statements. > Strictly, the seventh â€"from lagna- being the door through which we interact > with the world doesn’t imply it indicates what we are seeking in > relationships. The seventh from Venus would make more sense. Besides, opposites don’t > necessarily attracts. > With kind regards, > Piere-Olivier Loisel > P.S. What does “Whew...†mean?>

 

 

[Guest guest]

Dear Pierre-Olivier,

Thank you for your nice reply. It has given me a lot to think about

for the next couple of days. You sound like a very deep thinker. Do

you care to share your birthdata?

 

By the way, " Whew " was more of a sound than a word. For example,

when you push something very heavy and when you're done, you

say " Whew " and wipe your forehead :-) I kind of felt like that when

I wrote that long post..

 

Regards,

 

Sundeep

 

sohamsa , Poloisel wrote:

>

>

> |om gurave namah|

> Dear Sundeep, dear Soul,

> There was no need for such long mails for which I thank you

anyway. Sundeep,

> I think we agree in toto.

> In the beginning, Vistiji had written:

> “Planets in the seventh show the exact opposite nature of whom

we are i.e

> Mars in the seventh makes a person very caring and nice...â€

> and

> “Opposites attract is really the theme for the seventh, and so

also what you

> are seeking in relationships also indicates how you will

behave.â€

> Now I have to struggle with my English:

> Assuming Vistiji was refering to the seventh from lagna, the

question “Who

> would look for a fighting spouse?†came to my mind.

> Since then, neither diluting considerations relying on

psychoanalysis nor

> the coming of a Ruchak Yoga as a deus ex machina could rescue

these vague

> statements.

> Strictly, the seventh †" from lagna- being the door through which

we interact

> with the world doesn’t imply it indicates what we are seeking

in

> relationships. The seventh from Venus would make more sense.

Besides, opposites don’t

> necessarily attracts.

> With kind regards,

> Piere-Olivier Loisel

> P.S. What does “Whew...†mean?

>

[Guest guest]

| om gurave namah |

 

Dear Visti ji, pranams

 

 

You wrote:

"Saying that Mars in seventh makes a person look for a fighting spouse is like saying that Saturn in seventh makes a person look for a dead spouse."

 

We agree, it was absurd since the beginning.

(Now, this new argument is also wrong. Personnally, I only would say Saturn in the 7th – from Venus – may indicate an older spouse.)

 

If the seventh were “what you are seeking in relationships†according to you whereas “Mars in the [same] seventh causes sorrow in married life†(COVA p. 255), then it would follow that Mars in the seventh makes a person looking for sorrow on account of the spouse.

 

Yours respectfully

 

Pierre-Olivier Loisel

 

 

 

Dans un e-mail daté du 28/01/2007 11:56:29 Paris, Madrid, visti a écrit :

 

हरे राम कृषà¥à¤£à¥¥

Dear Pierre-Olivier, NamaskarIf a person has Mars in the seventh, they look for partners with lots of energy and dynamism.If Mars is afflicted, then the person may be looking for more than that - who are we to judge?Saying that Mars in seventh makes a person look for a fighting spouse is like saying that Saturn in seventh makes a person look for a dead spouse. no no no... you must rethink your approach to this.

Yours sincerely, -- Visti Larsenemail: vistiFor consultations, free mp3's and articles visit: http://srigaruda.com Poloisel wrote:

 

 

 

|om gurave namah|

 

Dear Sundeep, dear Soul,

 

There was no need for such long mails for which I thank you anyway. Sundeep, I think we agree in toto.

 

In the beginning, Vistiji had written:

“Planets in the seventh show the exact opposite nature of whom we are i.e Mars in the seventh makes a person very caring and nice...â€

and

“Opposites attract is really the theme for the seventh, and so also what you are seeking in relationships also indicates how you will behave.â€

 

 

Now I have to struggle with my English:

 

Assuming Vistiji was refering to the seventh from lagna, the question “Who would look for a fighting spouse?†came to my mind.

 

Since then, neither diluting considerations relying on psychoanalysis nor the coming of a Ruchak Yoga as a deus ex machina could rescue these vague statements.

 

Strictly, the seventh –from lagna- being the door through which we interact with the world doesn’t imply it indicates what we are seeking in relationships. The seventh from Venus would make more sense. Besides, opposites don’t necessarily attracts.

 

 

With kind regards,

 

Piere-Olivier Loisel

 

P.S. What does “Whew...†mean?

 

 

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हरे राम कृषà¥à¤£à¥¥

Dear Pierre-Olivier, Namaskar

If a person has Mars in the seventh, they look for partners with lots

of energy and dynamism.

If Mars is afflicted, then the person may be looking for more than that

- who are we to judge?

Saying that Mars in seventh makes a person look for a fighting spouse

is like saying that Saturn in seventh makes a person look for a dead

spouse. no no no... you must rethink your approach to this.

 

Yours sincerely,

 

 

--

 

Visti Larsen

email: visti

For consultations, free mp3's and articles visit: http://srigaruda.com

 

 

 

Poloisel wrote:

 

 

 

 

|om

gurave namah|

 

Dear

Sundeep, dear Soul,

 

There

was no need for such long mails for which I thank you anyway. Sundeep,

I think we agree in toto.

 

In

the beginning, Vistiji had written:

“Planets

in the seventh show the exact opposite nature of whom we are i.e Mars

in the seventh makes a person very caring and nice...â€

and

“Opposites

attract is really the theme for the seventh, and so also what you are

seeking in relationships also indicates how you will behave.â€

 

 

Now

I have to struggle with my English:

 

Assuming

Vistiji was refering to the seventh from lagna, the question “Who would look for

a fighting spouse?†came to my mind.

 

Since

then, neither diluting considerations relying on psychoanalysis nor the

coming of a Ruchak Yoga as a deus ex machina could rescue these vague

statements.

 

Strictly,

the seventh –from lagna- being the door through which we interact with

the world doesn’t imply it indicates what we are seeking in

relationships. The seventh from Venus would make more sense. Besides,

opposites don’t necessarily attracts.

 

 

With

kind regards,

 

Piere-Olivier

Loisel

 

P.S. What does “Whew...†mean?