[Sun Signs] Vaisakh - Aries (April 15 - May 14) - to SS

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| Om Gurave Namah |

 

Dear Sundeep,

 

Even inconsciously...

Above all, I have found nothing in COVA that corroborates the statement: "planets in 7th show opposite nature".

 

With best wishes,

 

The person who had written...

Pierre-Olivier Loisel

 

Dans un e-mail daté du 24/01/2007 19:44:14 Paris, Madrid, vedicastrostudent a écrit :

And of course, to succinctly rephrase the person who had written, "Who would look for a fighting spouse", the question-implicit-answer together is, "Who would *consciously* look for a fighting spouse".

 

 

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| Om Gurave Namah |

 

Just to add that marriage has more to do with Dharma than with psychoanalysis, here at least, and to correct: *un*consciously ( inconsciouly is French).

 

Pierre-Olivier Loisel

 

Dans un e-mail daté du 24/01/2007 21:58:36 Paris, Madrid, Poloisel a écrit :

 

 

| Om Gurave Namah |

 

Dear Sundeep,

 

Even inconsciously...

Above all, I have found nothing in COVA that corroborates the statement: "planets in 7th show opposite nature".

 

With best wishes,

 

The person who had written...

Pierre-Olivier Loisel

 

Dans un e-mail daté du 24/01/2007 19:44:14 Paris, Madrid, vedicastrostudent a écrit :

And of course, to succinctly rephrase the person who had written, "Who would look for a fighting spouse", the question-implicit-answer together is, "Who would *consciously* look for a fighting spouse".

 

 

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Dear SS,

You and I think alike. You quote Jung - his words, along with those

of the Bhagavad Gita (no offence meant to anyone for lumping the BG

with Jung, its just how they acted on me, not their overall

spiritual significance), are what shook me out of my materialistic

reverie in 2002-2003.

 

Correlating and analyzing the following statements:

" The 7th house though is described as representing those qualities

we seek in a partner, but on a deeper level it represents those

qualities hidden in us which we need to consciously integrate into

our awareness to become whole "

 

and

 

" When inner situations are not made conscious, they happens outside,

as fate. "

 

It clearly implies that you agree with Vistiji, does it not? I mean,

you agree that the 7th house shows *unconscious qualities* within

yourself that are *unconsciously* sought out in relationships, so

the partner has exactly those qualities. So, since the conscious is

frequently the opposite of the unconscious, you would agree that the

person's conscious personality is exactly the opposite of those

planets in the 7th house?

 

My own spin and experience on this is that essentially that

unconscious part is made conscious either by associating with a

partner who has all those qualities, or if not, they are forced out

into the conscious anyway. So a Mars in the 7th person (assuming

dominant influence of Mars, please note) would either marry a very

forceful person (other factors favoring of course), which would keep

their own forcefulness at bay (since it is projected on the

partner), nevertheless, if the partner does not completely embody

the qualities, they come out in the person himself/herself - for

example, if they end up choosing a meek spouse. Either way, it truly

is a quality of the person.. Their general world view regarding

relationships will have unmistakable signs of the planetary

influences. So, pardon my reckless intrusion, the Jupiter in the 7th

that you have doesnt necessarily mean that you dont have Jupiterian

qualities in your consciousness - you have either chosen someone who

correctly manifests them so you get to experience the wisdom, or if

he doesnt or doesnt always, they will force themselves out into the

open in your consciousness anyway, making you like that..

 

And of course, to succinctly rephrase the person who had

written, " Who would look for a fighting spouse " , the question-

implicit-answer together is, " Who would *consciously* look for a

fighting spouse " .

 

Thanks,

 

Sundeep

 

 

 

sohamsa , " Soul Sadhak " <soulsadhak wrote:

>

> Hi POL,

>

> Martian also means being Courageous and Bold :-)

>

> ok, since u ask for it,

> The Self (1H) seeks to incorporate those qualities that it lacks /

> needs to cultivate further / finds difficult to accept within

> oneself....and it does so be seeking* experiences in the external

> world (Not-Self) that manifest from experiences of it's

interaction

> with others (7H) [others = other people, parteners, spouse]

>

> * seeking = may not necessarily be active-seeking, sometimes u

feel

> u r drawn to certain kind of individuals ,.... and the cycle

becomes

> reptitive until the required (not the desired) experience is

> acquired.

>

> As our good old Jung said:

> " When inner situations are not made conscious, they happens

outside,

> as fate. "

> So, if we are unconscious of something in ourselves then " the

world "

> (7H and others) must act out the conflict " .

> In other words, what we are unaware of in ourselves, we invariably

> attract to us through others.

> The 7th house though is described as representing those qualities

we

> seek in a partner, but on a deeper level it represents those

> qualities hidden in us which we need to consciously integrate into

> our awareness to become whole.

>

> e.g. Mars in the 7th may be attracted to a partner who reflects

the

> qualities of Mars: someone who is assertive, direct and forceful.

>

> so, what's ur next question: why Eva Braun was attracted to Hitler?

> ;-)

>

> Love and Light

> SS

>

>

> sohamsa , Poloisel@ wrote:

> >

> >

> > Om Gurave Namah

> >

> > Dear Soulsadhak,

> > Namaskar

> >

> > Who would look for a fighting spouse?

> >

> > Kind regards,

> >

> > Pierre-Olivier Loisel

> >

> > Dans un e-mail daté du 24/01/2007 05:38:45 Paris, Madrid,

> > soulsadhak@ a écrit :

> >

> > Also, 1h ~ ascendant, 7h ~ descendant, and the Ascendant is

> > considered the `point of self-awareness' and the Descendant is

> > considered `the point of awareness of others'....or what we

look

> for

> > in our relationships (whehter the native is aware of this or

> > not).... so 7h in this sense becomes the 'hs of the significant

> > other'

> >

>

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Hare Ram Krishna

 

Dear Sundeep and SS,

 

Just another thought.

 

Ra-Ke , represent head and body....so when Ra-Ke are in 1-7 axis; they do represent opposing things, yet they want to unite as one. I can vouch for opposing effects as I have that combination.

But of course this happens only with Ra-Ke!

 

 

Just MHO.

 

Regards

 

Sharat

 

 

 

 

 

-

vedicastrostudent

sohamsa

Wednesday, January 24, 2007 6:38 PM

Re: [sun Signs] Vaisakh - Aries (April 15 - May 14) - to SS

 

 

Dear SS,You and I think alike. You quote Jung - his words, along with those of the Bhagavad Gita (no offence meant to anyone for lumping the BG with Jung, its just how they acted on me, not their overall spiritual significance), are what shook me out of my materialistic reverie in 2002-2003.Correlating and analyzing the following statements:"The 7th house though is described as representing those qualities we seek in a partner, but on a deeper level it represents those qualities hidden in us which we need to consciously integrate into our awareness to become whole"and"When inner situations are not made conscious, they happens outside, as fate."It clearly implies that you agree with Vistiji, does it not? I mean, you agree that the 7th house shows *unconscious qualities* within yourself that are *unconsciously* sought out in relationships, so the partner has exactly those qualities. So, since the conscious is frequently the opposite of the unconscious, you would agree that the person's conscious personality is exactly the opposite of those planets in the 7th house?My own spin and experience on this is that essentially that unconscious part is made conscious either by associating with a partner who has all those qualities, or if not, they are forced out into the conscious anyway. So a Mars in the 7th person (assuming dominant influence of Mars, please note) would either marry a very forceful person (other factors favoring of course), which would keep their own forcefulness at bay (since it is projected on the partner), nevertheless, if the partner does not completely embody the qualities, they come out in the person himself/herself - for example, if they end up choosing a meek spouse. Either way, it truly is a quality of the person.. Their general world view regarding relationships will have unmistakable signs of the planetary influences. So, pardon my reckless intrusion, the Jupiter in the 7th that you have doesnt necessarily mean that you dont have Jupiterian qualities in your consciousness - you have either chosen someone who correctly manifests them so you get to experience the wisdom, or if he doesnt or doesnt always, they will force themselves out into the open in your consciousness anyway, making you like that..And of course, to succinctly rephrase the person who had written, "Who would look for a fighting spouse", the question-implicit-answer together is, "Who would *consciously* look for a fighting spouse". Thanks,Sundeepsohamsa , "Soul Sadhak" <soulsadhak wrote:>> Hi POL,> > Martian also means being Courageous and Bold :-)> > ok, since u ask for it,> The Self (1H) seeks to incorporate those qualities that it lacks / > needs to cultivate further / finds difficult to accept within > oneself....and it does so be seeking* experiences in the external > world (Not-Self) that manifest from experiences of it's interaction > with others (7H) [others = other people, parteners, spouse]> > * seeking = may not necessarily be active-seeking, sometimes u feel > u r drawn to certain kind of individuals ,.... and the cycle becomes > reptitive until the required (not the desired) experience is > acquired.> > As our good old Jung said: > "When inner situations are not made conscious, they happens outside, > as fate." > So, if we are unconscious of something in ourselves then "the world" > (7H and others) must act out the conflict".> In other words, what we are unaware of in ourselves, we invariably > attract to us through others. > The 7th house though is described as representing those qualities we > seek in a partner, but on a deeper level it represents those > qualities hidden in us which we need to consciously integrate into > our awareness to become whole.> > e.g. Mars in the 7th may be attracted to a partner who reflects the > qualities of Mars: someone who is assertive, direct and forceful. > > so, what's ur next question: why Eva Braun was attracted to Hitler?> ;-)> > Love and Light > SS> > > sohamsa , Poloisel@ wrote:> >> > > > Om Gurave Namah> > > > Dear Soulsadhak,> > Namaskar> > > > Who would look for a fighting spouse?> > > > Kind regards,> > > > Pierre-Olivier Loisel> > > > Dans un e-mail daté du 24/01/2007 05:38:45 Paris, Madrid, > > soulsadhak@ a écrit :> > > > Also, 1h ~ ascendant, 7h ~ descendant, and the Ascendant is > > considered the `point of self-awareness' and the Descendant is > > considered `the point of awareness of others'....or what we look > for > > in our relationships (whehter the native is aware of this or > > not).... so 7h in this sense becomes the 'hs of the significant > > other'> >>

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Hi Sundeep and Sharat,

 

quoting Sundeep: It clearly implies that you agree with Vistiji,

does it not? I mean, you agree that the 7th house shows *unconscious

qualities* within yourself that are *unconsciously* sought out in

relationships, so the partner has exactly those qualities. So, since

the conscious is frequently the opposite of the unconscious, you

would agree that the person's conscious personality is exactly the

opposite of those planets in the 7th house?

 

SS: let's use the corrected word Subconscious (POL, r u there?)

hmm.... Sundeep, u tend to think always in either or terms - but

dont see the whole ... i mean u must see the brain as brain and not

as right and left halves....one has to use both sides - one cannot

be extremely logical and extremely intuitive....we have something

called the corpus callosum that joins the 2 sides of the brain!

here u r using only left side....ok, ok, i'll stop here :-)

 

shdnt u have been a lawyer? ;-)

 

what i am implying here has also been said by Richard Bach in his

novel Illusions - and The Bridge Across Forever....read these if u

find time....

 

gees!let's come back to Astro:

 

7H is the mirror of the Self (1H) and shows that which one cannot

see within....so needs to work it out on manifest plane (this

world)....now Visti has to say what he means....and u have to see

how SS-vani and Visti-vani echo the same meaning seen from varying

perspectives :-)

 

ok, i make it simpler - what Visti is saying is the same as what i

am saying provided " you " see the Whole Perspective.

 

atleast I see it that way - i dont know what Visti has to say about

that.

 

...and, u seem to answer your own question when u say:

II the Jupiter in the 7th that you have doesnt necessarily mean that

you dont have Jupiterian qualities in your consciousness - you have

either chosen someone who correctly manifests them so you get to

experience the wisdom, or if he doesnt or doesnt always, they will

force themselves out into the open in your consciousness anyway,

making you like that II

 

that is precisely how it is....we try to manifest what is within us

(whether we are aware of it consciously or it's hidden in our

subconscious).....

but also we need to grasp what we lack or need to learn to deal with

what we have so stubbornly omitted - and all this happens thru the

relationship dramas ....

 

and about the Ra-Ke axis, Sharat, i also see it as the meru parvat

(axis) that churns the ocean being pulled by 2 opposing forces

(bright and dark) until the juicy stuff comes out....well, ofcourse

it is acompanied by not-so-juicy stuff too - which can be tolerated

only by Shiva qualities in us....and the juice has to be distributed

diplomatically only to nurture the bright forces and subdue the dark!

 

the placement of Ra-Ke axis in horoscopes says a lot about in which

arenas of the native's life the churning has to go on (until the

learning is done)

 

Om HariHaraya Namah

 

SS

 

 

sohamsa , " Sharat " <gidoc wrote:

>

> Hare Ram Krishna

>

> Dear Sundeep and SS,

>

> Just another thought.

>

> Ra-Ke , represent head and body....so when Ra-Ke are in 1-7 axis;

they do represent opposing things, yet they want to unite as one. I

can vouch for opposing effects as I have that combination.

> But of course this happens only with Ra-Ke!

>

>

> Just MHO.

>

> Regards

>

> Sharat

>

>

>

>

> -

> vedicastrostudent

> sohamsa

> Wednesday, January 24, 2007 6:38 PM

> Re: [sun Signs] Vaisakh - Aries (April 15 -

May 14) - to SS

>

>

> Dear SS,

> You and I think alike. You quote Jung - his words, along with

those

> of the Bhagavad Gita (no offence meant to anyone for lumping the

BG

> with Jung, its just how they acted on me, not their overall

> spiritual significance), are what shook me out of my

materialistic

> reverie in 2002-2003.

>

> Correlating and analyzing the following statements:

> " The 7th house though is described as representing those

qualities

> we seek in a partner, but on a deeper level it represents those

> qualities hidden in us which we need to consciously integrate

into

> our awareness to become whole "

>

> and

>

> " When inner situations are not made conscious, they happens

outside,

> as fate. "

>

> It clearly implies that you agree with Vistiji, does it not? I

mean,

> you agree that the 7th house shows *unconscious qualities*

within

> yourself that are *unconsciously* sought out in relationships,

so

> the partner has exactly those qualities. So, since the conscious

is

> frequently the opposite of the unconscious, you would agree that

the

> person's conscious personality is exactly the opposite of those

> planets in the 7th house?

>

> My own spin and experience on this is that essentially that

> unconscious part is made conscious either by associating with a

> partner who has all those qualities, or if not, they are forced

out

> into the conscious anyway. So a Mars in the 7th person (assuming

> dominant influence of Mars, please note) would either marry a

very

> forceful person (other factors favoring of course), which would

keep

> their own forcefulness at bay (since it is projected on the

> partner), nevertheless, if the partner does not completely

embody

> the qualities, they come out in the person himself/herself - for

> example, if they end up choosing a meek spouse. Either way, it

truly

> is a quality of the person.. Their general world view regarding

> relationships will have unmistakable signs of the planetary

> influences. So, pardon my reckless intrusion, the Jupiter in the

7th

> that you have doesnt necessarily mean that you dont have

Jupiterian

> qualities in your consciousness - you have either chosen someone

who

> correctly manifests them so you get to experience the wisdom, or

if

> he doesnt or doesnt always, they will force themselves out into

the

> open in your consciousness anyway, making you like that..

>

> And of course, to succinctly rephrase the person who had

> written, " Who would look for a fighting spouse " , the question-

> implicit-answer together is, " Who would *consciously* look for a

> fighting spouse " .

>

> Thanks,

>

> Sundeep

>

> sohamsa , " Soul Sadhak " <soulsadhak@>

wrote:

> >

> > Hi POL,

> >

> > Martian also means being Courageous and Bold :-)

> >

> > ok, since u ask for it,

> > The Self (1H) seeks to incorporate those qualities that it

lacks /

> > needs to cultivate further / finds difficult to accept within

> > oneself....and it does so be seeking* experiences in the

external

> > world (Not-Self) that manifest from experiences of it's

> interaction

> > with others (7H) [others = other people, parteners, spouse]

> >

> > * seeking = may not necessarily be active-seeking, sometimes u

> feel

> > u r drawn to certain kind of individuals ,.... and the cycle

> becomes

> > reptitive until the required (not the desired) experience is

> > acquired.

> >

> > As our good old Jung said:

> > " When inner situations are not made conscious, they happens

> outside,

> > as fate. "

> > So, if we are unconscious of something in ourselves then " the

> world "

> > (7H and others) must act out the conflict " .

> > In other words, what we are unaware of in ourselves, we

invariably

> > attract to us through others.

> > The 7th house though is described as representing those

qualities

> we

> > seek in a partner, but on a deeper level it represents those

> > qualities hidden in us which we need to consciously integrate

into

> > our awareness to become whole.

> >

> > e.g. Mars in the 7th may be attracted to a partner who

reflects

> the

> > qualities of Mars: someone who is assertive, direct and

forceful.

> >

> > so, what's ur next question: why Eva Braun was attracted to

Hitler?

> > ;-)

> >

> > Love and Light

> > SS

> >

> >

> > sohamsa , Poloisel@ wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > Om Gurave Namah

> > >

> > > Dear Soulsadhak,

> > > Namaskar

> > >

> > > Who would look for a fighting spouse?

> > >

> > > Kind regards,

> > >

> > > Pierre-Olivier Loisel

> > >

> > > Dans un e-mail daté du 24/01/2007 05:38:45 Paris, Madrid,

> > > soulsadhak@ a écrit :

> > >

> > > Also, 1h ~ ascendant, 7h ~ descendant, and the Ascendant is

> > > considered the `point of self-awareness' and the Descendant

is

> > > considered `the point of awareness of others'....or what we

> look

> > for

> > > in our relationships (whehter the native is aware of this or

> > > not).... so 7h in this sense becomes the 'hs of the

significant

> > > other'

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Namaste Sri Sundeep, Sri Soul and OthersBrihadaryanka Upanishad says:

na va are patyuh kamaya patih priyo bhavati

atmanastu kamaya patih priyo bhavati.

na va are jayayai kamaya jaya priya bhavati

atmanastu kamaya jaya priya bhavati

atmanastu kamaya sarvam priyam bhavati

dtma va are drastavyahs srotavyo mantavyo nididhyasitavyo

maitryi atmano va are darsanena sravanena

matya vijnanenedam sarvam viditam

"Truly, not for the sake of the husband is the husband dear, but a husband is dear for the sake of the self. Truly, not for the sake of the wife is the wife dear, but a wife is dear for the sake of the self. Truly, Oh Maitreyi, it is the self that should be seen, heard of, reflected on and meditated upon. Truly, by seeing, hearing, thinking and by understanding the self, all this is known."Please focus on Atmanastu kamaya sarvam priyam bhavati - All that is dear, is dear for the sake of the Self. These verses give the essence of all relationships. When the Real Self is not recognized, mind creates an image of a person within oneself. The person whom we imagine to fit into that image, becomes dear. In fact, we love the image within us and not the person outside. The image within us, since false, is subject to change. Because of this change, one falls in and out of love.The image that we make within ourselves, are subject to identification with Sattva, Rajas and Tamas, or identification to the issues concerning body, mind, value system, etc... or you can also relate it to our relative goals of Dharma, Artha and Kama. The more the image is based on Sattva, stronger the relationship and deeper the love (and for more time).But, the real intent of Sri Yagnavalka is that it is for the sake of Real Self that all is dear. For Real Self is the dearest of the dear. It only is. Since the beauty, the attractiveness, the very existence we owe to the Real Self. This realization is infinite love. However, we shall restrict our discussion to the limited for now. Now relate it to the 7th house. Thanks and RegardsBharatOn 1/25/07, Soul Sadhak <

soulsadhak wrote:

 

 

 

 

Hi Sundeep and Sharat,

 

quoting Sundeep: It clearly implies that you agree with Vistiji,

does it not? I mean, you agree that the 7th house shows *unconscious

qualities* within yourself that are *unconsciously* sought out in

relationships, so the partner has exactly those qualities. So, since

the conscious is frequently the opposite of the unconscious, you

would agree that the person's conscious personality is exactly the

opposite of those planets in the 7th house?

 

SS: let's use the corrected word Subconscious (POL, r u there?)

hmm.... Sundeep, u tend to think always in either or terms - but

dont see the whole ... i mean u must see the brain as brain and not

as right and left halves....one has to use both sides - one cannot

be extremely logical and extremely intuitive....we have something

called the corpus callosum that joins the 2 sides of the brain!

here u r using only left side....ok, ok, i'll stop here :-)

 

shdnt u have been a lawyer? ;-)

 

what i am implying here has also been said by Richard Bach in his

novel Illusions - and The Bridge Across Forever....read these if u

find time....

 

gees!let's come back to Astro:

 

7H is the mirror of the Self (1H) and shows that which one cannot

see within....so needs to work it out on manifest plane (this

world)....now Visti has to say what he means....and u have to see

how SS-vani and Visti-vani echo the same meaning seen from varying

perspectives :-)

 

ok, i make it simpler - what Visti is saying is the same as what i

am saying provided " you " see the Whole Perspective.

 

atleast I see it that way - i dont know what Visti has to say about

that.

 

...and, u seem to answer your own question when u say:

II the Jupiter in the 7th that you have doesnt necessarily mean that

you dont have Jupiterian qualities in your consciousness - you have

either chosen someone who correctly manifests them so you get to

experience the wisdom, or if he doesnt or doesnt always, they will

force themselves out into the open in your consciousness anyway,

making you like that II

 

that is precisely how it is....we try to manifest what is within us

(whether we are aware of it consciously or it's hidden in our

subconscious).....

but also we need to grasp what we lack or need to learn to deal with

what we have so stubbornly omitted - and all this happens thru the

relationship dramas ....

 

and about the Ra-Ke axis, Sharat, i also see it as the meru parvat

(axis) that churns the ocean being pulled by 2 opposing forces

(bright and dark) until the juicy stuff comes out....well, ofcourse

it is acompanied by not-so-juicy stuff too - which can be tolerated

only by Shiva qualities in us....and the juice has to be distributed

diplomatically only to nurture the bright forces and subdue the dark!

 

the placement of Ra-Ke axis in horoscopes says a lot about in which

arenas of the native's life the churning has to go on (until the

learning is done)

 

Om HariHaraya Namah

 

SS

 

sohamsa , " Sharat " <gidoc wrote:

>

> Hare Ram Krishna

>

> Dear Sundeep and SS,

>

> Just another thought.

>

> Ra-Ke , represent head and body....so when Ra-Ke are in 1-7 axis;

they do represent opposing things, yet they want to unite as one. I

can vouch for opposing effects as I have that combination.

> But of course this happens only with Ra-Ke!

>

>

> Just MHO.

>

> Regards

>

> Sharat

>

>

>

>

> -

> vedicastrostudent

> sohamsa

> Wednesday, January 24, 2007 6:38 PM

> Re: [sun Signs] Vaisakh - Aries (April 15 -

May 14) - to SS

>

>

> Dear SS,

> You and I think alike. You quote Jung - his words, along with

those

> of the Bhagavad Gita (no offence meant to anyone for lumping the

BG

> with Jung, its just how they acted on me, not their overall

> spiritual significance), are what shook me out of my

materialistic

> reverie in 2002-2003.

>

> Correlating and analyzing the following statements:

> " The 7th house though is described as representing those

qualities

> we seek in a partner, but on a deeper level it represents those

> qualities hidden in us which we need to consciously integrate

into

> our awareness to become whole "

>

> and

>

> " When inner situations are not made conscious, they happens

outside,

> as fate. "

>

> It clearly implies that you agree with Vistiji, does it not? I

mean,

> you agree that the 7th house shows *unconscious qualities*

within

> yourself that are *unconsciously* sought out in relationships,

so

> the partner has exactly those qualities. So, since the conscious

is

> frequently the opposite of the unconscious, you would agree that

the

> person's conscious personality is exactly the opposite of those

> planets in the 7th house?

>

> My own spin and experience on this is that essentially that

> unconscious part is made conscious either by associating with a

> partner who has all those qualities, or if not, they are forced

out

> into the conscious anyway. So a Mars in the 7th person (assuming

> dominant influence of Mars, please note) would either marry a

very

> forceful person (other factors favoring of course), which would

keep

> their own forcefulness at bay (since it is projected on the

> partner), nevertheless, if the partner does not completely

embody

> the qualities, they come out in the person himself/herself - for

> example, if they end up choosing a meek spouse. Either way, it

truly

> is a quality of the person.. Their general world view regarding

> relationships will have unmistakable signs of the planetary

> influences. So, pardon my reckless intrusion, the Jupiter in the

7th

> that you have doesnt necessarily mean that you dont have

Jupiterian

> qualities in your consciousness - you have either chosen someone

who

> correctly manifests them so you get to experience the wisdom, or

if

> he doesnt or doesnt always, they will force themselves out into

the

> open in your consciousness anyway, making you like that..

>

> And of course, to succinctly rephrase the person who had

> written, " Who would look for a fighting spouse " , the question-

> implicit-answer together is, " Who would *consciously* look for a

> fighting spouse " .

>

> Thanks,

>

> Sundeep

>

> sohamsa , " Soul Sadhak " <soulsadhak@>

wrote:

> >

> > Hi POL,

> >

> > Martian also means being Courageous and Bold :-)

> >

> > ok, since u ask for it,

> > The Self (1H) seeks to incorporate those qualities that it

lacks /

> > needs to cultivate further / finds difficult to accept within

> > oneself....and it does so be seeking* experiences in the

external

> > world (Not-Self) that manifest from experiences of it's

> interaction

> > with others (7H) [others = other people, parteners, spouse]

> >

> > * seeking = may not necessarily be active-seeking, sometimes u

> feel

> > u r drawn to certain kind of individuals ,.... and the cycle

> becomes

> > reptitive until the required (not the desired) experience is

> > acquired.

> >

> > As our good old Jung said:

> > " When inner situations are not made conscious, they happens

> outside,

> > as fate. "

> > So, if we are unconscious of something in ourselves then " the

> world "

> > (7H and others) must act out the conflict " .

> > In other words, what we are unaware of in ourselves, we

invariably

> > attract to us through others.

> > The 7th house though is described as representing those

qualities

> we

> > seek in a partner, but on a deeper level it represents those

> > qualities hidden in us which we need to consciously integrate

into

> > our awareness to become whole.

> >

> > e.g. Mars in the 7th may be attracted to a partner who

reflects

> the

> > qualities of Mars: someone who is assertive, direct and

forceful.

> >

> > so, what's ur next question: why Eva Braun was attracted to

Hitler?

> > ;-)

> >

> > Love and Light

> > SS

> >

> >

> > sohamsa , Poloisel@ wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > Om Gurave Namah

> > >

> > > Dear Soulsadhak,

> > > Namaskar

> > >

> > > Who would look for a fighting spouse?

> > >

> > > Kind regards,

> > >

> > > Pierre-Olivier Loisel

> > >

> > > Dans un e-mail dat� du 24/01/2007 05:38:45 Paris, Madrid,

> > > soulsadhak@ a �crit :

> > >

> > > Also, 1h ~ ascendant, 7h ~ descendant, and the Ascendant is

> > > considered the `point of self-awareness' and the Descendant

is

> > > considered `the point of awareness of others'....or what we

> look

> > for

> > > in our relationships (whehter the native is aware of this or

> > > not).... so 7h in this sense becomes the 'hs of the

significant

> > > other'

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Namaste Sri Soul " Know Thyself " is not the question here as I made it clear in my last post.I have reasons to believe that Bible does not help know oneself but involves oneself in ideas of Sins, Conversions and Miracles and many other things I can very well do without. I wonder if Bible contains anything that Sri Christ ever taught. I also wonder when the Pope and the Church will convert from Churchanity to Christainity. I wouldn't discuss any more about this but have strong reasons to say what I have to.

If my post causes some people some disturbance, then, kindly ignore it. Thanks and RegardsBharatOn 1/25/07, Soul Sadhak

<soulsadhak wrote:

 

 

 

 

" Know Thyself "

 

.....a Simple Profound Truth (from Bible?)....reiterating in many ways

 

Om Tat Sat

 

sohamsa , " Bharat Hindu Astrology "

 

<hinduastrology wrote:

>

> Namaste Sri Sundeep, Sri Soul and Others

>

> Brihadaryanka Upanishad says:

> *

> na va are patyuh kamaya patih priyo bhavati* *

> atmanastu kamaya patih priyo bhavati.* *

> na va are jayayai kamaya jaya priya bhavati* *

> atmanastu kamaya jaya priya bhavati* *

> atmanastu kamaya sarvam priyam bhavati* *

> dtma va are drastavyahs srotavyo mantavyo nididhyasitavyo* *

> maitryi atmano va are darsanena sravanena* *

> matya vijnanenedam sarvam viditam*

>

> " Truly, not for the sake of the husband is the husband dear, but a

husband

> is dear for the sake of the self. Truly, not for the sake of the

wife is the

> wife dear, but a wife is dear for the sake of the self. Truly, Oh

Maitreyi,

> it is the self that should be seen, heard of, reflected on and

meditated

> upon. Truly, by seeing, hearing, thinking and by understanding the

self, all

> this is known. "

>

> Please focus on Atmanastu kamaya sarvam priyam bhavati - All that

is dear,

> is dear for the sake of the Self. These verses give the essence of

all

> relationships. When the Real Self is not recognized, mind creates

an image

> of a person within oneself. The person whom we imagine to fit into

that

> image, becomes dear. In fact, we love the image within us and not

the person

> outside.

>

> The image within us, since false, is subject to change. Because of

this

> change, one falls in and out of love.

>

> The image that we make within ourselves, are subject to

identification with

> Sattva, Rajas and Tamas, or identification to the issues

concerning body,

> mind, value system, etc... or you can also relate it to our

relative goals

> of Dharma, Artha and Kama.

>

> The more the image is based on Sattva, stronger the relationship

and deeper

> the love (and for more time).

>

> But, the real intent of Sri Yagnavalka is that it is for the sake

of Real

> Self that all is dear. For Real Self is the dearest of the dear.

It only is.

> Since the beauty, the attractiveness, the very existence we owe to

the Real

> Self. This realization is infinite love. However, we shall

restrict our

> discussion to the limited for now.

>

> Now relate it to the 7th house.

>

> Thanks and Regards

> Bharat

>

>

>

>

>

> On 1/25/07, Soul Sadhak <soulsadhak wrote:

> >

> > Hi Sundeep and Sharat,

> >

> > quoting Sundeep: It clearly implies that you agree with Vistiji,

> > does it not? I mean, you agree that the 7th house shows

*unconscious

> > qualities* within yourself that are *unconsciously* sought out in

> > relationships, so the partner has exactly those qualities. So,

since

> > the conscious is frequently the opposite of the unconscious, you

> > would agree that the person's conscious personality is exactly

the

> > opposite of those planets in the 7th house?

> >

> > SS: let's use the corrected word Subconscious (POL, r u there?)

> > hmm.... Sundeep, u tend to think always in either or terms - but

> > dont see the whole ... i mean u must see the brain as brain and

not

> > as right and left halves....one has to use both sides - one

cannot

> > be extremely logical and extremely intuitive....we have something

> > called the corpus callosum that joins the 2 sides of the brain!

> > here u r using only left side....ok, ok, i'll stop here :-)

> >

> > shdnt u have been a lawyer? ;-)

> >

> > what i am implying here has also been said by Richard Bach in his

> > novel Illusions - and The Bridge Across Forever....read these if

u

> > find time....

> >

> > gees!let's come back to Astro:

> >

> > 7H is the mirror of the Self (1H) and shows that which one cannot

> > see within....so needs to work it out on manifest plane (this

> > world)....now Visti has to say what he means....and u have to see

> > how SS-vani and Visti-vani echo the same meaning seen from

varying

> > perspectives :-)

> >

> > ok, i make it simpler - what Visti is saying is the same as what

i

> > am saying provided " you " see the Whole Perspective.

> >

> > atleast I see it that way - i dont know what Visti has to say

about

> > that.

> >

> > ..and, u seem to answer your own question when u say:

> > II the Jupiter in the 7th that you have doesnt necessarily mean

that

> > you dont have Jupiterian qualities in your consciousness - you

have

> > either chosen someone who correctly manifests them so you get to

> > experience the wisdom, or if he doesnt or doesnt always, they

will

> > force themselves out into the open in your consciousness anyway,

> > making you like that II

> >

> > that is precisely how it is....we try to manifest what is within

us

> > (whether we are aware of it consciously or it's hidden in our

> > subconscious).....

> > but also we need to grasp what we lack or need to learn to deal

with

> > what we have so stubbornly omitted - and all this happens thru

the

> > relationship dramas ....

> >

> > and about the Ra-Ke axis, Sharat, i also see it as the meru

parvat

> > (axis) that churns the ocean being pulled by 2 opposing forces

> > (bright and dark) until the juicy stuff comes out....well,

ofcourse

> > it is acompanied by not-so-juicy stuff too - which can be

tolerated

> > only by Shiva qualities in us....and the juice has to be

distributed

> > diplomatically only to nurture the bright forces and subdue the

dark!

> >

> > the placement of Ra-Ke axis in horoscopes says a lot about in

which

> > arenas of the native's life the churning has to go on (until the

> > learning is done)

> >

> > Om HariHaraya Namah

> >

> > SS

> >

> >

> > sohamsa <sohamsa%

40>, " Sharat "

> > <gidoc@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Hare Ram Krishna

> > >

> > > Dear Sundeep and SS,

> > >

> > > Just another thought.

> > >

> > > Ra-Ke , represent head and body....so when Ra-Ke are in 1-7

axis;

> > they do represent opposing things, yet they want to unite as

one. I

> > can vouch for opposing effects as I have that combination.

> > > But of course this happens only with Ra-Ke!

> > >

> > >

> > > Just MHO.

> > >

> > > Regards

> > >

> > > Sharat

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > -

> > > vedicastrostudent

> > > sohamsa <sohamsa%40gro

ups.com>

> > > Wednesday, January 24, 2007 6:38 PM

> > > Re: [sun Signs] Vaisakh - Aries (April 15 -

> > May 14) - to SS

> > >

> > >

> > > Dear SS,

> > > You and I think alike. You quote Jung - his words, along with

> > those

> > > of the Bhagavad Gita (no offence meant to anyone for lumping

the

> > BG

> > > with Jung, its just how they acted on me, not their overall

> > > spiritual significance), are what shook me out of my

> > materialistic

> > > reverie in 2002-2003.

> > >

> > > Correlating and analyzing the following statements:

> > > " The 7th house though is described as representing those

> > qualities

> > > we seek in a partner, but on a deeper level it represents those

> > > qualities hidden in us which we need to consciously integrate

> > into

> > > our awareness to become whole "

> > >

> > > and

> > >

> > > " When inner situations are not made conscious, they happens

> > outside,

> > > as fate. "

> > >

> > > It clearly implies that you agree with Vistiji, does it not? I

> > mean,

> > > you agree that the 7th house shows *unconscious qualities*

> > within

> > > yourself that are *unconsciously* sought out in relationships,

> > so

> > > the partner has exactly those qualities. So, since the

conscious

> > is

> > > frequently the opposite of the unconscious, you would agree

that

> > the

> > > person's conscious personality is exactly the opposite of those

> > > planets in the 7th house?

> > >

> > > My own spin and experience on this is that essentially that

> > > unconscious part is made conscious either by associating with a

> > > partner who has all those qualities, or if not, they are forced

> > out

> > > into the conscious anyway. So a Mars in the 7th person

(assuming

> > > dominant influence of Mars, please note) would either marry a

> > very

> > > forceful person (other factors favoring of course), which would

> > keep

> > > their own forcefulness at bay (since it is projected on the

> > > partner), nevertheless, if the partner does not completely

> > embody

> > > the qualities, they come out in the person himself/herself -

for

> > > example, if they end up choosing a meek spouse. Either way, it

> > truly

> > > is a quality of the person.. Their general world view regarding

> > > relationships will have unmistakable signs of the planetary

> > > influences. So, pardon my reckless intrusion, the Jupiter in

the

> > 7th

> > > that you have doesnt necessarily mean that you dont have

> > Jupiterian

> > > qualities in your consciousness - you have either chosen

someone

> > who

> > > correctly manifests them so you get to experience the wisdom,

or

> > if

> > > he doesnt or doesnt always, they will force themselves out into

> > the

> > > open in your consciousness anyway, making you like that..

> > >

> > > And of course, to succinctly rephrase the person who had

> > > written, " Who would look for a fighting spouse " , the question-

> > > implicit-answer together is, " Who would *consciously* look for

a

> > > fighting spouse " .

> > >

> > > Thanks,

> > >

> > > Sundeep

> > >

> > > sohamsa <sohamsa%

40>, " Soul

> > Sadhak " <soulsadhak@>

> > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Hi POL,

> > > >

> > > > Martian also means being Courageous and Bold :-)

> > > >

> > > > ok, since u ask for it,

> > > > The Self (1H) seeks to incorporate those qualities that it

> > lacks /

> > > > needs to cultivate further / finds difficult to accept within

> > > > oneself....and it does so be seeking* experiences in the

> > external

> > > > world (Not-Self) that manifest from experiences of it's

> > > interaction

> > > > with others (7H) [others = other people, parteners, spouse]

> > > >

> > > > * seeking = may not necessarily be active-seeking, sometimes

u

> > > feel

> > > > u r drawn to certain kind of individuals ,.... and the cycle

> > > becomes

> > > > reptitive until the required (not the desired) experience is

> > > > acquired.

> > > >

> > > > As our good old Jung said:

> > > > " When inner situations are not made conscious, they happens

> > > outside,

> > > > as fate. "

> > > > So, if we are unconscious of something in ourselves then " the

> > > world "

> > > > (7H and others) must act out the conflict " .

> > > > In other words, what we are unaware of in ourselves, we

> > invariably

> > > > attract to us through others.

> > > > The 7th house though is described as representing those

> > qualities

> > > we

> > > > seek in a partner, but on a deeper level it represents those

> > > > qualities hidden in us which we need to consciously integrate

> > into

> > > > our awareness to become whole.

> > > >

> > > > e.g. Mars in the 7th may be attracted to a partner who

> > reflects

> > > the

> > > > qualities of Mars: someone who is assertive, direct and

> > forceful.

> > > >

> > > > so, what's ur next question: why Eva Braun was attracted to

> > Hitler?

> > > > ;-)

> > > >

> > > > Love and Light

> > > > SS

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > sohamsa <sohamsa%40gro

ups.com>,

Poloisel@

> > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Om Gurave Namah

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Soulsadhak,

> > > > > Namaskar

> > > > >

> > > > > Who would look for a fighting spouse?

> > > > >

> > > > > Kind regards,

> > > > >

> > > > > Pierre-Olivier Loisel

> > > > >

> > > > > Dans un e-mail dat� du 24/01/2007 05:38:45 Paris, Madrid,

> > > > > soulsadhak@ a �crit :

> > > > >

> > > > > Also, 1h ~ ascendant, 7h ~ descendant, and the Ascendant is

> > > > > considered the `point of self-awareness' and the Descendant

> > is

> > > > > considered `the point of awareness of others'....or what we

> > > look

> > > > for

> > > > > in our relationships (whehter the native is aware of this

or

> > > > > not).... so 7h in this sense becomes the 'hs of the

> > significant

> > > > > other'

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hari Om Tat Sat

Dear Bharat,

" O God that madest this beautiful earth, when will it be ready to

receive Thy saints? " (B.S. " Joan of Arc " ).

You are right. By taking great part in dealing wordly matters

catholic church strives away from the path of the Christ. There is

not only one saint that wasn`t initialy in conflict with Church`s

dogma (again i underline catholic). Therefore it can easily be

judged as rigid if not even egoistic and agressive in protecting own

interests...if it should be judged.

But for the sake of the Truth don`t look at the Bible through the

church`s policy. The Bible can not be understood properly without the

teachings of aposteles and saints who elaborated Christ`s words and

deeds and set a path for them to everyone, as Christ`s way is not

possible fot those who are not very near to Truth. He knew that when

he chosen followers who will spread His mission in accordance with

their spiritual capacity...

Lord Christ had Rahu AK which means that He could fight the illusion

and spiritual blindness. His last words were " Lord why hast Thou left

me? " This was the biggest sin of men that He took on Himself-

suspicion of God`s omnipresence. This suspicion and illusion is

caused by Rahu that is the cause of rebirths...This is only one

implication of Bible`s teaching of the Self. Try to observe it

through Jyotish to be able to see clearly through historical un-

reality.

Sincerely,

Tijana

 

 

 

sohamsa , " Bharat Hindu Astrology "

<hinduastrology wrote:

>

> Namaste Sri Soul

>

> " Know Thyself " is not the question here as I made it clear in my

last post.

>

> I have reasons to believe that Bible does not help know oneself but

involves

> oneself in ideas of Sins, Conversions and Miracles and many other

things I

> can very well do without. I wonder if Bible contains anything that

Sri

> Christ ever taught. I also wonder when the Pope and the Church will

convert

> from Churchanity to Christainity. I wouldn't discuss any more about

this but

> have strong reasons to say what I have to.

>

> If my post causes some people some disturbance, then, kindly ignore

it.

>

> Thanks and Regards

> Bharat

>

>

>

>

> On 1/25/07, Soul Sadhak <soulsadhak wrote:

> >

> > " Know Thyself "

> >

> > ....a Simple Profound Truth (from Bible?)....reiterating in many

ways

> >

> > Om Tat Sat

> >

> > sohamsa <sohamsa%

40>, " Bharat Hindu

> > Astrology "

> >

> > <hinduastrology@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Namaste Sri Sundeep, Sri Soul and Others

> > >

> > > Brihadaryanka Upanishad says:

> > > *

> > > na va are patyuh kamaya patih priyo bhavati* *

> > > atmanastu kamaya patih priyo bhavati.* *

> > > na va are jayayai kamaya jaya priya bhavati* *

> > > atmanastu kamaya jaya priya bhavati* *

> > > atmanastu kamaya sarvam priyam bhavati* *

> > > dtma va are drastavyahs srotavyo mantavyo nididhyasitavyo* *

> > > maitryi atmano va are darsanena sravanena* *

> > > matya vijnanenedam sarvam viditam*

> > >

> > > " Truly, not for the sake of the husband is the husband dear,

but a

> > husband

> > > is dear for the sake of the self. Truly, not for the sake of the

> > wife is the

> > > wife dear, but a wife is dear for the sake of the self. Truly,

Oh

> > Maitreyi,

> > > it is the self that should be seen, heard of, reflected on and

> > meditated

> > > upon. Truly, by seeing, hearing, thinking and by understanding

the

> > self, all

> > > this is known. "

> > >

> > > Please focus on Atmanastu kamaya sarvam priyam bhavati - All

that

> > is dear,

> > > is dear for the sake of the Self. These verses give the essence

of

> > all

> > > relationships. When the Real Self is not recognized, mind

creates

> > an image

> > > of a person within oneself. The person whom we imagine to fit

into

> > that

> > > image, becomes dear. In fact, we love the image within us and

not

> > the person

> > > outside.

> > >

> > > The image within us, since false, is subject to change. Because

of

> > this

> > > change, one falls in and out of love.

> > >

> > > The image that we make within ourselves, are subject to

> > identification with

> > > Sattva, Rajas and Tamas, or identification to the issues

> > concerning body,

> > > mind, value system, etc... or you can also relate it to our

> > relative goals

> > > of Dharma, Artha and Kama.

> > >

> > > The more the image is based on Sattva, stronger the relationship

> > and deeper

> > > the love (and for more time).

> > >

> > > But, the real intent of Sri Yagnavalka is that it is for the

sake

> > of Real

> > > Self that all is dear. For Real Self is the dearest of the dear.

> > It only is.

> > > Since the beauty, the attractiveness, the very existence we owe

to

> > the Real

> > > Self. This realization is infinite love. However, we shall

> > restrict our

> > > discussion to the limited for now.

> > >

> > > Now relate it to the 7th house.

> > >

> > > Thanks and Regards

> > > Bharat

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > On 1/25/07, Soul Sadhak <soulsadhak@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Hi Sundeep and Sharat,

> > > >

> > > > quoting Sundeep: It clearly implies that you agree with

Vistiji,

> > > > does it not? I mean, you agree that the 7th house shows

> > *unconscious

> > > > qualities* within yourself that are *unconsciously* sought

out in

> > > > relationships, so the partner has exactly those qualities. So,

> > since

> > > > the conscious is frequently the opposite of the unconscious,

you

> > > > would agree that the person's conscious personality is exactly

> > the

> > > > opposite of those planets in the 7th house?

> > > >

> > > > SS: let's use the corrected word Subconscious (POL, r u

there?)

> > > > hmm.... Sundeep, u tend to think always in either or terms -

but

> > > > dont see the whole ... i mean u must see the brain as brain

and

> > not

> > > > as right and left halves....one has to use both sides - one

> > cannot

> > > > be extremely logical and extremely intuitive....we have

something

> > > > called the corpus callosum that joins the 2 sides of the

brain!

> > > > here u r using only left side....ok, ok, i'll stop here :-)

> > > >

> > > > shdnt u have been a lawyer? ;-)

> > > >

> > > > what i am implying here has also been said by Richard Bach in

his

> > > > novel Illusions - and The Bridge Across Forever....read these

if

> > u

> > > > find time....

> > > >

> > > > gees!let's come back to Astro:

> > > >

> > > > 7H is the mirror of the Self (1H) and shows that which one

cannot

> > > > see within....so needs to work it out on manifest plane (this

> > > > world)....now Visti has to say what he means....and u have to

see

> > > > how SS-vani and Visti-vani echo the same meaning seen from

> > varying

> > > > perspectives :-)

> > > >

> > > > ok, i make it simpler - what Visti is saying is the same as

what

> > i

> > > > am saying provided " you " see the Whole Perspective.

> > > >

> > > > atleast I see it that way - i dont know what Visti has to say

> > about

> > > > that.

> > > >

> > > > ..and, u seem to answer your own question when u say:

> > > > II the Jupiter in the 7th that you have doesnt necessarily

mean

> > that

> > > > you dont have Jupiterian qualities in your consciousness - you

> > have

> > > > either chosen someone who correctly manifests them so you get

to

> > > > experience the wisdom, or if he doesnt or doesnt always, they

> > will

> > > > force themselves out into the open in your consciousness

anyway,

> > > > making you like that II

> > > >

> > > > that is precisely how it is....we try to manifest what is

within

> > us

> > > > (whether we are aware of it consciously or it's hidden in our

> > > > subconscious).....

> > > > but also we need to grasp what we lack or need to learn to

deal

> > with

> > > > what we have so stubbornly omitted - and all this happens thru

> > the

> > > > relationship dramas ....

> > > >

> > > > and about the Ra-Ke axis, Sharat, i also see it as the meru

> > parvat

> > > > (axis) that churns the ocean being pulled by 2 opposing forces

> > > > (bright and dark) until the juicy stuff comes out....well,

> > ofcourse

> > > > it is acompanied by not-so-juicy stuff too - which can be

> > tolerated

> > > > only by Shiva qualities in us....and the juice has to be

> > distributed

> > > > diplomatically only to nurture the bright forces and subdue

the

> > dark!

> > > >

> > > > the placement of Ra-Ke axis in horoscopes says a lot about in

> > which

> > > > arenas of the native's life the churning has to go on (until

the

> > > > learning is done)

> > > >

> > > > Om HariHaraya Namah

> > > >

> > > > SS

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > sohamsa <sohamsa%40>

<sohamsa%

> > 40>, " Sharat "

> > > > <gidoc@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Hare Ram Krishna

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Sundeep and SS,

> > > > >

> > > > > Just another thought.

> > > > >

> > > > > Ra-Ke , represent head and body....so when Ra-Ke are in 1-7

> > axis;

> > > > they do represent opposing things, yet they want to unite as

> > one. I

> > > > can vouch for opposing effects as I have that combination.

> > > > > But of course this happens only with Ra-Ke!

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Just MHO.

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards

> > > > >

> > > > > Sharat

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > -

> > > > > vedicastrostudent

> > > > > sohamsa <sohamsa%

40><sohamsa%40gro

> > ups.com>

> > > > > Wednesday, January 24, 2007 6:38 PM

> > > > > Re: [sun Signs] Vaisakh - Aries (April

15 -

> > > > May 14) - to SS

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear SS,

> > > > > You and I think alike. You quote Jung - his words, along

with

> > > > those

> > > > > of the Bhagavad Gita (no offence meant to anyone for lumping

> > the

> > > > BG

> > > > > with Jung, its just how they acted on me, not their overall

> > > > > spiritual significance), are what shook me out of my

> > > > materialistic

> > > > > reverie in 2002-2003.

> > > > >

> > > > > Correlating and analyzing the following statements:

> > > > > " The 7th house though is described as representing those

> > > > qualities

> > > > > we seek in a partner, but on a deeper level it represents

those

> > > > > qualities hidden in us which we need to consciously

integrate

> > > > into

> > > > > our awareness to become whole "

> > > > >

> > > > > and

> > > > >

> > > > > " When inner situations are not made conscious, they happens

> > > > outside,

> > > > > as fate. "

> > > > >

> > > > > It clearly implies that you agree with Vistiji, does it

not? I

> > > > mean,

> > > > > you agree that the 7th house shows *unconscious qualities*

> > > > within

> > > > > yourself that are *unconsciously* sought out in

relationships,

> > > > so

> > > > > the partner has exactly those qualities. So, since the

> > conscious

> > > > is

> > > > > frequently the opposite of the unconscious, you would agree

> > that

> > > > the

> > > > > person's conscious personality is exactly the opposite of

those

> > > > > planets in the 7th house?

> > > > >

> > > > > My own spin and experience on this is that essentially that

> > > > > unconscious part is made conscious either by associating

with a

> > > > > partner who has all those qualities, or if not, they are

forced

> > > > out

> > > > > into the conscious anyway. So a Mars in the 7th person

> > (assuming

> > > > > dominant influence of Mars, please note) would either marry

a

> > > > very

> > > > > forceful person (other factors favoring of course), which

would

> > > > keep

> > > > > their own forcefulness at bay (since it is projected on the

> > > > > partner), nevertheless, if the partner does not completely

> > > > embody

> > > > > the qualities, they come out in the person himself/herself -

> > for

> > > > > example, if they end up choosing a meek spouse. Either way,

it

> > > > truly

> > > > > is a quality of the person.. Their general world view

regarding

> > > > > relationships will have unmistakable signs of the planetary

> > > > > influences. So, pardon my reckless intrusion, the Jupiter in

> > the

> > > > 7th

> > > > > that you have doesnt necessarily mean that you dont have

> > > > Jupiterian

> > > > > qualities in your consciousness - you have either chosen

> > someone

> > > > who

> > > > > correctly manifests them so you get to experience the

wisdom,

> > or

> > > > if

> > > > > he doesnt or doesnt always, they will force themselves out

into

> > > > the

> > > > > open in your consciousness anyway, making you like that..

> > > > >

> > > > > And of course, to succinctly rephrase the person who had

> > > > > written, " Who would look for a fighting spouse " , the

question-

> > > > > implicit-answer together is, " Who would *consciously* look

for

> > a

> > > > > fighting spouse " .

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanks,

> > > > >

> > > > > Sundeep

> > > > >

> > > > > sohamsa <sohamsa%40>

<sohamsa%

> > 40>, " Soul

> > > > Sadhak " <soulsadhak@>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Hi POL,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Martian also means being Courageous and Bold :-)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ok, since u ask for it,

> > > > > > The Self (1H) seeks to incorporate those qualities that it

> > > > lacks /

> > > > > > needs to cultivate further / finds difficult to accept

within

> > > > > > oneself....and it does so be seeking* experiences in the

> > > > external

> > > > > > world (Not-Self) that manifest from experiences of it's

> > > > > interaction

> > > > > > with others (7H) [others = other people, parteners,

spouse]

> > > > > >

> > > > > > * seeking = may not necessarily be active-seeking,

sometimes

> > u

> > > > > feel

> > > > > > u r drawn to certain kind of individuals ,.... and the

cycle

> > > > > becomes

> > > > > > reptitive until the required (not the desired) experience

is

> > > > > > acquired.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > As our good old Jung said:

> > > > > > " When inner situations are not made conscious, they

happens

> > > > > outside,

> > > > > > as fate. "

> > > > > > So, if we are unconscious of something in ourselves

then " the

> > > > > world "

> > > > > > (7H and others) must act out the conflict " .

> > > > > > In other words, what we are unaware of in ourselves, we

> > > > invariably

> > > > > > attract to us through others.

> > > > > > The 7th house though is described as representing those

> > > > qualities

> > > > > we

> > > > > > seek in a partner, but on a deeper level it represents

those

> > > > > > qualities hidden in us which we need to consciously

integrate

> > > > into

> > > > > > our awareness to become whole.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > e.g. Mars in the 7th may be attracted to a partner who

> > > > reflects

> > > > > the

> > > > > > qualities of Mars: someone who is assertive, direct and

> > > > forceful.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > so, what's ur next question: why Eva Braun was attracted

to

> > > > Hitler?

> > > > > > ;-)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Love and Light

> > > > > > SS

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > sohamsa <sohamsa%

40><sohamsa%40gro

> > ups.com>,

> > Poloisel@

> > > > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Soulsadhak,

> > > > > > > Namaskar

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Who would look for a fighting spouse?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Kind regards,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Pierre-Olivier Loisel

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dans un e-mail dat� du 24/01/2007 05:38:45 Paris,

Madrid,

> > > > > > > soulsadhak@ a �crit :

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Also, 1h ~ ascendant, 7h ~ descendant, and the

Ascendant is

> > > > > > > considered the `point of self-awareness' and the

Descendant

> > > > is

> > > > > > > considered `the point of awareness of others'....or

what we

> > > > > look

> > > > > > for

> > > > > > > in our relationships (whehter the native is aware of

this

> > or

> > > > > > > not).... so 7h in this sense becomes the 'hs of the

> > > > significant

> > > > > > > other'

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Bharatji,

Wonderful post. I have not read any Upanishad, but it is wonderful

to see the succinctness with which these truths are stated and your

accurate interpretation (IMHO). But I do have several comments, and

please pardon me for going into a deep dive again.

 

See, both you and SS move swiftly and almost unconsciously between a

non-dualistic holistic viewpoint and a dualistic viewpoint (the

everyday world of opposites). My point is that each viewpoint is

experienceable at a different level of consciousness. The ordinary

everyday level of consciousness of almost all humans is NOT at the

level of the Self. They do NOT directly experience what you (and

Jung, I might add) crisply state - " In fact, we love the image

within us and not the person outside " . The " we " in your statement

refers to " we " as the " SELF " . At the everyday level of

consciousness, these images are unknown as one's own (the " one " I

refer to is the ordinary everyday conception of " I " , which is not

the " SELF " ). They (the images) reside in the unconscious and are

projected unconsciously onto people. And yes SS, I do mean

unconscious, not subconscious. Subconscious is a hazy term that

refers to things that are slightly below the threshold of

consciousness, which may need only a slight pull to get them out

e.g. forgotten memories that can be retrieved using willpower.

Unconscious is an all encompassing term (Jungian sense) that covers

everything below the threshold of consciousness, including things

that NEVER come out and CANNOT be brought out using willpower, but

only influence the consciousness through projection. Most of our

images of " desirable/undesirable " people, ESPECIALLY spouses,

originate here, in the FULLY UNCONSCIOUS. Fully unconscious to the

ordinary everyday " I " , not to the Self, that is.

 

 

Correlating this back to astrology and the topic that started this

all, what I am trying to say is when we talk of the 7th house from

LAGNA, what exactly is LAGNA? It clearly DOES NOT represent the

level of consciousness that you have so nicely described. It, I am

guessing here, represents the more everday level of consciousness.

So do planets in 7th from LAGNA show the opposite nature of the

LAGNA or not? My experience is no it does not and that is where I am

somewhat lost in the reasoning..

 

Thanks,

 

Sundeep

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

sohamsa , " Bharat Hindu Astrology "

<hinduastrology wrote:

>

> Namaste Sri Sundeep, Sri Soul and Others

>

> Brihadaryanka Upanishad says:

> *

> na va are patyuh kamaya patih priyo bhavati* *

> atmanastu kamaya patih priyo bhavati.* *

> na va are jayayai kamaya jaya priya bhavati* *

> atmanastu kamaya jaya priya bhavati* *

> atmanastu kamaya sarvam priyam bhavati* *

> dtma va are drastavyahs srotavyo mantavyo nididhyasitavyo* *

> maitryi atmano va are darsanena sravanena* *

> matya vijnanenedam sarvam viditam*

>

> " Truly, not for the sake of the husband is the husband dear, but a

husband

> is dear for the sake of the self. Truly, not for the sake of the

wife is the

> wife dear, but a wife is dear for the sake of the self. Truly, Oh

Maitreyi,

> it is the self that should be seen, heard of, reflected on and

meditated

> upon. Truly, by seeing, hearing, thinking and by understanding the

self, all

> this is known. "

>

> Please focus on Atmanastu kamaya sarvam priyam bhavati - All that

is dear,

> is dear for the sake of the Self. These verses give the essence of

all

> relationships. When the Real Self is not recognized, mind creates

an image

> of a person within oneself. The person whom we imagine to fit into

that

> image, becomes dear. In fact, we love the image within us and not

the person

> outside.

>

> The image within us, since false, is subject to change. Because of

this

> change, one falls in and out of love.

>

> The image that we make within ourselves, are subject to

identification with

> Sattva, Rajas and Tamas, or identification to the issues

concerning body,

> mind, value system, etc... or you can also relate it to our

relative goals

> of Dharma, Artha and Kama.

>

> The more the image is based on Sattva, stronger the relationship

and deeper

> the love (and for more time).

>

> But, the real intent of Sri Yagnavalka is that it is for the sake

of Real

> Self that all is dear. For Real Self is the dearest of the dear.

It only is.

> Since the beauty, the attractiveness, the very existence we owe to

the Real

> Self. This realization is infinite love. However, we shall

restrict our

> discussion to the limited for now.

>

> Now relate it to the 7th house.

>

> Thanks and Regards

> Bharat

>

>

>

>

>

> On 1/25/07, Soul Sadhak <soulsadhak wrote:

> >

> > Hi Sundeep and Sharat,

> >

> > quoting Sundeep: It clearly implies that you agree with Vistiji,

> > does it not? I mean, you agree that the 7th house shows

*unconscious

> > qualities* within yourself that are *unconsciously* sought out in

> > relationships, so the partner has exactly those qualities. So,

since

> > the conscious is frequently the opposite of the unconscious, you

> > would agree that the person's conscious personality is exactly

the

> > opposite of those planets in the 7th house?

> >

> > SS: let's use the corrected word Subconscious (POL, r u there?)

> > hmm.... Sundeep, u tend to think always in either or terms - but

> > dont see the whole ... i mean u must see the brain as brain and

not

> > as right and left halves....one has to use both sides - one

cannot

> > be extremely logical and extremely intuitive....we have something

> > called the corpus callosum that joins the 2 sides of the brain!

> > here u r using only left side....ok, ok, i'll stop here :-)

> >

> > shdnt u have been a lawyer? ;-)

> >

> > what i am implying here has also been said by Richard Bach in his

> > novel Illusions - and The Bridge Across Forever....read these if

u

> > find time....

> >

> > gees!let's come back to Astro:

> >

> > 7H is the mirror of the Self (1H) and shows that which one cannot

> > see within....so needs to work it out on manifest plane (this

> > world)....now Visti has to say what he means....and u have to see

> > how SS-vani and Visti-vani echo the same meaning seen from

varying

> > perspectives :-)

> >

> > ok, i make it simpler - what Visti is saying is the same as what

i

> > am saying provided " you " see the Whole Perspective.

> >

> > atleast I see it that way - i dont know what Visti has to say

about

> > that.

> >

> > ..and, u seem to answer your own question when u say:

> > II the Jupiter in the 7th that you have doesnt necessarily mean

that

> > you dont have Jupiterian qualities in your consciousness - you

have

> > either chosen someone who correctly manifests them so you get to

> > experience the wisdom, or if he doesnt or doesnt always, they

will

> > force themselves out into the open in your consciousness anyway,

> > making you like that II

> >

> > that is precisely how it is....we try to manifest what is within

us

> > (whether we are aware of it consciously or it's hidden in our

> > subconscious).....

> > but also we need to grasp what we lack or need to learn to deal

with

> > what we have so stubbornly omitted - and all this happens thru

the

> > relationship dramas ....

> >

> > and about the Ra-Ke axis, Sharat, i also see it as the meru

parvat

> > (axis) that churns the ocean being pulled by 2 opposing forces

> > (bright and dark) until the juicy stuff comes out....well,

ofcourse

> > it is acompanied by not-so-juicy stuff too - which can be

tolerated

> > only by Shiva qualities in us....and the juice has to be

distributed

> > diplomatically only to nurture the bright forces and subdue the

dark!

> >

> > the placement of Ra-Ke axis in horoscopes says a lot about in

which

> > arenas of the native's life the churning has to go on (until the

> > learning is done)

> >

> > Om HariHaraya Namah

> >

> > SS

> >

> >

> > sohamsa <sohamsa%

40>, " Sharat "

> > <gidoc@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Hare Ram Krishna

> > >

> > > Dear Sundeep and SS,

> > >

> > > Just another thought.

> > >

> > > Ra-Ke , represent head and body....so when Ra-Ke are in 1-7

axis;

> > they do represent opposing things, yet they want to unite as

one. I

> > can vouch for opposing effects as I have that combination.

> > > But of course this happens only with Ra-Ke!

> > >

> > >

> > > Just MHO.

> > >

> > > Regards

> > >

> > > Sharat

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > -

> > > vedicastrostudent

> > > sohamsa <sohamsa%40>

> > > Wednesday, January 24, 2007 6:38 PM

> > > Re: [sun Signs] Vaisakh - Aries (April 15 -

> > May 14) - to SS

> > >

> > >

> > > Dear SS,

> > > You and I think alike. You quote Jung - his words, along with

> > those

> > > of the Bhagavad Gita (no offence meant to anyone for lumping

the

> > BG

> > > with Jung, its just how they acted on me, not their overall

> > > spiritual significance), are what shook me out of my

> > materialistic

> > > reverie in 2002-2003.

> > >

> > > Correlating and analyzing the following statements:

> > > " The 7th house though is described as representing those

> > qualities

> > > we seek in a partner, but on a deeper level it represents those

> > > qualities hidden in us which we need to consciously integrate

> > into

> > > our awareness to become whole "

> > >

> > > and

> > >

> > > " When inner situations are not made conscious, they happens

> > outside,

> > > as fate. "

> > >

> > > It clearly implies that you agree with Vistiji, does it not? I

> > mean,

> > > you agree that the 7th house shows *unconscious qualities*

> > within

> > > yourself that are *unconsciously* sought out in relationships,

> > so

> > > the partner has exactly those qualities. So, since the

conscious

> > is

> > > frequently the opposite of the unconscious, you would agree

that

> > the

> > > person's conscious personality is exactly the opposite of those

> > > planets in the 7th house?

> > >

> > > My own spin and experience on this is that essentially that

> > > unconscious part is made conscious either by associating with a

> > > partner who has all those qualities, or if not, they are forced

> > out

> > > into the conscious anyway. So a Mars in the 7th person

(assuming

> > > dominant influence of Mars, please note) would either marry a

> > very

> > > forceful person (other factors favoring of course), which would

> > keep

> > > their own forcefulness at bay (since it is projected on the

> > > partner), nevertheless, if the partner does not completely

> > embody

> > > the qualities, they come out in the person himself/herself -

for

> > > example, if they end up choosing a meek spouse. Either way, it

> > truly

> > > is a quality of the person.. Their general world view regarding

> > > relationships will have unmistakable signs of the planetary

> > > influences. So, pardon my reckless intrusion, the Jupiter in

the

> > 7th

> > > that you have doesnt necessarily mean that you dont have

> > Jupiterian

> > > qualities in your consciousness - you have either chosen

someone

> > who

> > > correctly manifests them so you get to experience the wisdom,

or

> > if

> > > he doesnt or doesnt always, they will force themselves out into

> > the

> > > open in your consciousness anyway, making you like that..

> > >

> > > And of course, to succinctly rephrase the person who had

> > > written, " Who would look for a fighting spouse " , the question-

> > > implicit-answer together is, " Who would *consciously* look for

a

> > > fighting spouse " .

> > >

> > > Thanks,

> > >

> > > Sundeep

> > >

> > > sohamsa <sohamsa%

40>, " Soul

> > Sadhak " <soulsadhak@>

> > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Hi POL,

> > > >

> > > > Martian also means being Courageous and Bold :-)

> > > >

> > > > ok, since u ask for it,

> > > > The Self (1H) seeks to incorporate those qualities that it

> > lacks /

> > > > needs to cultivate further / finds difficult to accept within

> > > > oneself....and it does so be seeking* experiences in the

> > external

> > > > world (Not-Self) that manifest from experiences of it's

> > > interaction

> > > > with others (7H) [others = other people, parteners, spouse]

> > > >

> > > > * seeking = may not necessarily be active-seeking, sometimes

u

> > > feel

> > > > u r drawn to certain kind of individuals ,.... and the cycle

> > > becomes

> > > > reptitive until the required (not the desired) experience is

> > > > acquired.

> > > >

> > > > As our good old Jung said:

> > > > " When inner situations are not made conscious, they happens

> > > outside,

> > > > as fate. "

> > > > So, if we are unconscious of something in ourselves then " the

> > > world "

> > > > (7H and others) must act out the conflict " .

> > > > In other words, what we are unaware of in ourselves, we

> > invariably

> > > > attract to us through others.

> > > > The 7th house though is described as representing those

> > qualities

> > > we

> > > > seek in a partner, but on a deeper level it represents those

> > > > qualities hidden in us which we need to consciously integrate

> > into

> > > > our awareness to become whole.

> > > >

> > > > e.g. Mars in the 7th may be attracted to a partner who

> > reflects

> > > the

> > > > qualities of Mars: someone who is assertive, direct and

> > forceful.

> > > >

> > > > so, what's ur next question: why Eva Braun was attracted to

> > Hitler?

> > > > ;-)

> > > >

> > > > Love and Light

> > > > SS

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > sohamsa <sohamsa%40>,

Poloisel@

> > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Om Gurave Namah

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Soulsadhak,

> > > > > Namaskar

> > > > >

> > > > > Who would look for a fighting spouse?

> > > > >

> > > > > Kind regards,

> > > > >

> > > > > Pierre-Olivier Loisel

> > > > >

> > > > > Dans un e-mail dat� du 24/01/2007 05:38:45 Paris, Madrid,

> > > > > soulsadhak@ a �crit :

> > > > >

> > > > > Also, 1h ~ ascendant, 7h ~ descendant, and the Ascendant is

> > > > > considered the `point of self-awareness' and the Descendant

> > is

> > > > > considered `the point of awareness of others'....or what we

> > > look

> > > > for

> > > > > in our relationships (whehter the native is aware of this

or

> > > > > not).... so 7h in this sense becomes the 'hs of the

> > significant

> > > > > other'

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Namaste Sri SundeepResponses in BlueOn 1/26/07, vedicastrostudent <vedicastrostudent

> wrote:

 

 

 

 

Dear Bharatji,

Wonderful post. I have not read any Upanishad, but it is wonderful

to see the succinctness with which these truths are stated and your

accurate interpretation (IMHO). But I do have several comments, and

please pardon me for going into a deep dive again.

 

See, both you and SS move swiftly and almost unconsciously between a

non-dualistic holistic viewpoint and a dualistic viewpoint (the

everyday world of opposites).When we talk of relationships, it is from the point of duality only. Where is the question of moving from non-dual to dual? First of all the word non-dual is much mis-understood. All cotton shirts are nothing but cotton. All cotton pants are nothing but cotton. Do pants and shirts have to go to make me understand that they are cotton? Another example, there is my room space and there is your room space. The room has walls which too are in space, Do we have to break all walls in order to know that?

 

My point is that each viewpoint is

experienceable at a different level of consciousness. The ordinary

everyday level of consciousness of almost all humans is NOT at the

level of the Self. They do NOT directly experience what you (and

Jung, I might add) crisply state - " In fact, we love the image

within us and not the person outside " . People's experience and Truth can be two different things. If they do not probe deeper, they will not know the true cause. It is similar to the fact that many thought that Earth was flat, till one wise man declared that it was round.

The " we " in your statement

refers to " we " as the " SELF " . At the everyday level of

consciousness, these images are unknown as one's own (the " one " I

refer to is the ordinary everyday conception of " I " , which is not

the " SELF " ). They (the images) reside in the unconscious and are

projected unconsciously onto people. And yes SS, I do mean

unconscious, not subconscious. Subconscious is a hazy term that

refers to things that are slightly below the threshold of

consciousness, which may need only a slight pull to get them out

e.g. forgotten memories that can be retrieved using willpower.

Unconscious is an all encompassing term (Jungian sense) that covers

everything below the threshold of consciousness, including things

that NEVER come out and CANNOT be brought out using willpower, but

only influence the consciousness through projection. Most of our

images of " desirable/undesirable " people, ESPECIALLY spouses,

originate here, in the FULLY UNCONSCIOUS. Fully unconscious to the

ordinary everyday " I " , not to the Self, that is.Unconscious is called Sanchita vasanas. Everything sprouts from there - the desire, the thoughts, the actions, etc. However, each human birth is given by the grace of the Lord for one to Realize the Truth. One can burn the entire stock of sanchita in one birth, however, if one chooses to. People do not realize that every desire that is there, is for realization of the Self. The pavritti and nivritti are the same. Only a person without discrimination or viveka finds them different. Coming back, the statement of Sri Yagnavalka is for awareness and understanding. If people do something " automatically " , instinctively, that does not cease the True cause behind that automation or instinct.

 

Correlating this back to astrology and the topic that started this

all, what I am trying to say is when we talk of the 7th house from

LAGNA, what exactly is LAGNA? It clearly DOES NOT represent the

level of consciousness that you have so nicely described.Lagna is the birth of individuality (and more, will not talk about it now). The consciousness does not have levels, it is ever shinning. The levels are in the mind, how clearly it reflects the consciousness. Rajas gives translucent, Tamas is opaque and Sattva is transparent. The nature of the grahas in lagna and aspects, etc will dictate that.

It, I am

guessing here, represents the more everday level of consciousness.

So do planets in 7th from LAGNA show the opposite nature of the

LAGNA or not? My experience is no it does not and that is where I am

somewhat lost in the reasoning..By identifying ourselves with

another, we break the individuality. 7th from Lagna is that

identification. The causes for identification have been defined in the

earlier email by the statement of Sri Yagnavalka. By breaking the

individuality, 7th house creates a new identity and that is the

identity with the another. You becomes a collective you. or a Family,

or a society, or a nation,..... I would call the 7th house the

expansion of the smaller self. Thanks and RegardsBharat

 

Thanks,

 

Sundeep

 

sohamsa , " Bharat Hindu Astrology "

<hinduastrology wrote:

>

> Namaste Sri Sundeep, Sri Soul and Others

>

> Brihadaryanka Upanishad says:

> *

> na va are patyuh kamaya patih priyo bhavati* *

> atmanastu kamaya patih priyo bhavati.* *

> na va are jayayai kamaya jaya priya bhavati* *

> atmanastu kamaya jaya priya bhavati* *

> atmanastu kamaya sarvam priyam bhavati* *

> dtma va are drastavyahs srotavyo mantavyo nididhyasitavyo* *

> maitryi atmano va are darsanena sravanena* *

> matya vijnanenedam sarvam viditam*

>

> " Truly, not for the sake of the husband is the husband dear, but a

husband

> is dear for the sake of the self. Truly, not for the sake of the

wife is the

> wife dear, but a wife is dear for the sake of the self. Truly, Oh

Maitreyi,

> it is the self that should be seen, heard of, reflected on and

meditated

> upon. Truly, by seeing, hearing, thinking and by understanding the

self, all

> this is known. "

>

> Please focus on Atmanastu kamaya sarvam priyam bhavati - All that

is dear,

> is dear for the sake of the Self. These verses give the essence of

all

> relationships. When the Real Self is not recognized, mind creates

an image

> of a person within oneself. The person whom we imagine to fit into

that

> image, becomes dear. In fact, we love the image within us and not

the person

> outside.

>

> The image within us, since false, is subject to change. Because of

this

> change, one falls in and out of love.

>

> The image that we make within ourselves, are subject to

identification with

> Sattva, Rajas and Tamas, or identification to the issues

concerning body,

> mind, value system, etc... or you can also relate it to our

relative goals

> of Dharma, Artha and Kama.

>

> The more the image is based on Sattva, stronger the relationship

and deeper

> the love (and for more time).

>

> But, the real intent of Sri Yagnavalka is that it is for the sake

of Real

> Self that all is dear. For Real Self is the dearest of the dear.

It only is.

> Since the beauty, the attractiveness, the very existence we owe to

the Real

> Self. This realization is infinite love. However, we shall

restrict our

> discussion to the limited for now.

>

> Now relate it to the 7th house.

>

> Thanks and Regards

> Bharat

>

>

>

>

>

> On 1/25/07, Soul Sadhak <soulsadhak wrote:

> >

> > Hi Sundeep and Sharat,

> >

> > quoting Sundeep: It clearly implies that you agree with Vistiji,

> > does it not? I mean, you agree that the 7th house shows

*unconscious

> > qualities* within yourself that are *unconsciously* sought out in

> > relationships, so the partner has exactly those qualities. So,

since

> > the conscious is frequently the opposite of the unconscious, you

> > would agree that the person's conscious personality is exactly

the

> > opposite of those planets in the 7th house?

> >

> > SS: let's use the corrected word Subconscious (POL, r u there?)

> > hmm.... Sundeep, u tend to think always in either or terms - but

> > dont see the whole ... i mean u must see the brain as brain and

not

> > as right and left halves....one has to use both sides - one

cannot

> > be extremely logical and extremely intuitive....we have something

> > called the corpus callosum that joins the 2 sides of the brain!

> > here u r using only left side....ok, ok, i'll stop here :-)

> >

> > shdnt u have been a lawyer? ;-)

> >

> > what i am implying here has also been said by Richard Bach in his

> > novel Illusions - and The Bridge Across Forever....read these if

u

> > find time....

> >

> > gees!let's come back to Astro:

> >

> > 7H is the mirror of the Self (1H) and shows that which one cannot

> > see within....so needs to work it out on manifest plane (this

> > world)....now Visti has to say what he means....and u have to see

> > how SS-vani and Visti-vani echo the same meaning seen from

varying

> > perspectives :-)

> >

> > ok, i make it simpler - what Visti is saying is the same as what

i

> > am saying provided " you " see the Whole Perspective.

> >

> > atleast I see it that way - i dont know what Visti has to say

about

> > that.

> >

> > ..and, u seem to answer your own question when u say:

> > II the Jupiter in the 7th that you have doesnt necessarily mean

that

> > you dont have Jupiterian qualities in your consciousness - you

have

> > either chosen someone who correctly manifests them so you get to

> > experience the wisdom, or if he doesnt or doesnt always, they

will

> > force themselves out into the open in your consciousness anyway,

> > making you like that II

> >

> > that is precisely how it is....we try to manifest what is within

us

> > (whether we are aware of it consciously or it's hidden in our

> > subconscious).....

> > but also we need to grasp what we lack or need to learn to deal

with

> > what we have so stubbornly omitted - and all this happens thru

the

> > relationship dramas ....

> >

> > and about the Ra-Ke axis, Sharat, i also see it as the meru

parvat

> > (axis) that churns the ocean being pulled by 2 opposing forces

> > (bright and dark) until the juicy stuff comes out....well,

ofcourse

> > it is acompanied by not-so-juicy stuff too - which can be

tolerated

> > only by Shiva qualities in us....and the juice has to be

distributed

> > diplomatically only to nurture the bright forces and subdue the

dark!

> >

> > the placement of Ra-Ke axis in horoscopes says a lot about in

which

> > arenas of the native's life the churning has to go on (until the

> > learning is done)

> >

> > Om HariHaraya Namah

> >

> > SS

> >

> >

> > sohamsa <sohamsa%

40>, " Sharat "

> > <gidoc@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Hare Ram Krishna

> > >

> > > Dear Sundeep and SS,

> > >

> > > Just another thought.

> > >

> > > Ra-Ke , represent head and body....so when Ra-Ke are in 1-7

axis;

> > they do represent opposing things, yet they want to unite as

one. I

> > can vouch for opposing effects as I have that combination.

> > > But of course this happens only with Ra-Ke!

> > >

> > >

> > > Just MHO.

> > >

> > > Regards

> > >

> > > Sharat

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > -

> > > vedicastrostudent

> > > sohamsa <sohamsa%40gro

ups.com>

> > > Wednesday, January 24, 2007 6:38 PM

> > > Re: [sun Signs] Vaisakh - Aries (April 15 -

> > May 14) - to SS

> > >

> > >

> > > Dear SS,

> > > You and I think alike. You quote Jung - his words, along with

> > those

> > > of the Bhagavad Gita (no offence meant to anyone for lumping

the

> > BG

> > > with Jung, its just how they acted on me, not their overall

> > > spiritual significance), are what shook me out of my

> > materialistic

> > > reverie in 2002-2003.

> > >

> > > Correlating and analyzing the following statements:

> > > " The 7th house though is described as representing those

> > qualities

> > > we seek in a partner, but on a deeper level it represents those

> > > qualities hidden in us which we need to consciously integrate

> > into

> > > our awareness to become whole "

> > >

> > > and

> > >

> > > " When inner situations are not made conscious, they happens

> > outside,

> > > as fate. "

> > >

> > > It clearly implies that you agree with Vistiji, does it not? I

> > mean,

> > > you agree that the 7th house shows *unconscious qualities*

> > within

> > > yourself that are *unconsciously* sought out in relationships,

> > so

> > > the partner has exactly those qualities. So, since the

conscious

> > is

> > > frequently the opposite of the unconscious, you would agree

that

> > the

> > > person's conscious personality is exactly the opposite of those

> > > planets in the 7th house?

> > >

> > > My own spin and experience on this is that essentially that

> > > unconscious part is made conscious either by associating with a

> > > partner who has all those qualities, or if not, they are forced

> > out

> > > into the conscious anyway. So a Mars in the 7th person

(assuming

> > > dominant influence of Mars, please note) would either marry a

> > very

> > > forceful person (other factors favoring of course), which would

> > keep

> > > their own forcefulness at bay (since it is projected on the

> > > partner), nevertheless, if the partner does not completely

> > embody

> > > the qualities, they come out in the person himself/herself -

for

> > > example, if they end up choosing a meek spouse. Either way, it

> > truly

> > > is a quality of the person.. Their general world view regarding

> > > relationships will have unmistakable signs of the planetary

> > > influences. So, pardon my reckless intrusion, the Jupiter in

the

> > 7th

> > > that you have doesnt necessarily mean that you dont have

> > Jupiterian

> > > qualities in your consciousness - you have either chosen

someone

> > who

> > > correctly manifests them so you get to experience the wisdom,

or

> > if

> > > he doesnt or doesnt always, they will force themselves out into

> > the

> > > open in your consciousness anyway, making you like that..

> > >

> > > And of course, to succinctly rephrase the person who had

> > > written, " Who would look for a fighting spouse " , the question-

> > > implicit-answer together is, " Who would *consciously* look for

a

> > > fighting spouse " .

> > >

> > > Thanks,

> > >

> > > Sundeep

> > >

> > > sohamsa <sohamsa%

40>, " Soul

> > Sadhak " <soulsadhak@>

> > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Hi POL,

> > > >

> > > > Martian also means being Courageous and Bold :-)

> > > >

> > > > ok, since u ask for it,

> > > > The Self (1H) seeks to incorporate those qualities that it

> > lacks /

> > > > needs to cultivate further / finds difficult to accept within

> > > > oneself....and it does so be seeking* experiences in the

> > external

> > > > world (Not-Self) that manifest from experiences of it's

> > > interaction

> > > > with others (7H) [others = other people, parteners, spouse]

> > > >

> > > > * seeking = may not necessarily be active-seeking, sometimes

u

> > > feel

> > > > u r drawn to certain kind of individuals ,.... and the cycle

> > > becomes

> > > > reptitive until the required (not the desired) experience is

> > > > acquired.

> > > >

> > > > As our good old Jung said:

> > > > " When inner situations are not made conscious, they happens

> > > outside,

> > > > as fate. "

> > > > So, if we are unconscious of something in ourselves then " the

> > > world "

> > > > (7H and others) must act out the conflict " .

> > > > In other words, what we are unaware of in ourselves, we

> > invariably

> > > > attract to us through others.

> > > > The 7th house though is described as representing those

> > qualities

> > > we

> > > > seek in a partner, but on a deeper level it represents those

> > > > qualities hidden in us which we need to consciously integrate

> > into

> > > > our awareness to become whole.

> > > >

> > > > e.g. Mars in the 7th may be attracted to a partner who

> > reflects

> > > the

> > > > qualities of Mars: someone who is assertive, direct and

> > forceful.

> > > >

> > > > so, what's ur next question: why Eva Braun was attracted to

> > Hitler?

> > > > ;-)

> > > >

> > > > Love and Light

> > > > SS

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > sohamsa <sohamsa%40gro

ups.com>,

Poloisel@

> > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Om Gurave Namah

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Soulsadhak,

> > > > > Namaskar

> > > > >

> > > > > Who would look for a fighting spouse?

> > > > >

> > > > > Kind regards,

> > > > >

> > > > > Pierre-Olivier Loisel

> > > > >

> > > > > Dans un e-mail dat� du 24/01/2007 05:38:45 Paris, Madrid,

> > > > > soulsadhak@ a �crit :

> > > > >

> > > > > Also, 1h ~ ascendant, 7h ~ descendant, and the Ascendant is

> > > > > considered the `point of self-awareness' and the Descendant

> > is

> > > > > considered `the point of awareness of others'....or what we

> > > look

> > > > for

> > > > > in our relationships (whehter the native is aware of this

or

> > > > > not).... so 7h in this sense becomes the 'hs of the

> > significant

> > > > > other'

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

>