Guest guest Posted January 12, 2007 Report Share Posted January 12, 2007 Satyam Bruyat Priyam BruyatDear Visti, Namskar,Can you explain this a bit more please?I recently heard 2 different versions. Sanjayji in Atri lecture appearedto switch the signs keeping the planets in the same house whereas Narasimhain Boston lectures appeared to switch the planets keeping the signs inthe same house. Are you using one of the 2 concepts, if so which one?Kind regardsRameshvistiSent by: sohamsa 01/12/2007 05:50 AMPlease respond tosohamsa Tosohamsa ccSubjectRe: (ratna) Re: Re: JAI SRIKRISHNATO ALLहरे राम कृषà¥à¤£à¥¥Dear Venkatesh, NamaskarScorpio continues to be the lagna. Scorpio will however act as paka lagnanow.Yours sincerely, -- Visti Larsenemail: vistiFor consultations and articles visit: http://srigaruda.comVenkatesh S wrote: JAI SRIRAM Dear Visti, If lagna lord has parivartna,then what is the lagna andpaka lagna? For example in your chart in lagna has Sun and in leo Mars.HereSun is act as a lagna lord,that means 1.which is the lagna lord Mars or Sun?2.Which one is the lagna and paka lagna? Regards,S.VenkateshVisti Larsen <visti wrote:हरे राम कृषà¥à¤£à¥¥Dear Jim, NamaskarIf there is parivartana, then only apply parivartana.Yours sincerely, -- Visti Larsenemail: vistiFor consultations and articles visit: http://srigaruda.comvedicastrostudent wrote: Dear Vistiji,Thank you very much for the illuminating write up. To echo what Sharat says, the only doubt that remains is the following case (of which Sharat's case is one example, my case is another and I'm sure many other people have very similar cases, so your one reply would probably help several people):1) If a graha 1 in House A is in parivartana with graha 2 in House B, and simultaneously in House A there are graha 3 and graha 4, then which of the following is true:Possibility 1 (Apply all rules only ONCE per graha in ORDER):Due to being the most important rule, parivartana causes graha 1 and graha 2 to exchange results. Graha 3 and graha 4 exchange results.Possibility 2: (Apply all rules REPEATEDLY and in ORDER)Parivartana causes graha 1 and graha 2 to exchange results. However graha 1 may also end up exchanging results with graha 3 due to secondary yuti principle. So, graha 2 gives the results of graha 1. Graha 3 gives the results of graha 2 (because it is taking up graha 1's after-parivartana role). Graha 1 gives the results of graha 3 (because it is taking up graha 3's role). Graha 4 gives its own results.There are more possibilities, but the above 2 feel like the most realistic ones. The question is, which one if any is correct?Thank you very much,SundeepCheap Talk? Checkout Messenger's low PC-to-Phone callrates. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2007 Report Share Posted January 13, 2007  हरे राम कृषà¥à¤£Dear Ramesh, I hope you dont mind, my thoughts on this, as I have been looking into it for a while now. As I understand, the Lords exchange , hence the rasis remain same but the Lords undergo transformation. Visti has used this concept repeatedly to explain Parivartan Yog. He even goes on to say that if the parivartan is between Lagna and House A, then Lord of House A will act as Lagan lord and Lagan will act as Pak lagan. I hope I got this right. Regards, Sharat - Ramesh.F.Gangaramani sohamsa Cc: pvr Friday, January 12, 2007 4:58 PM ParivartanaSatyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat Dear Visti, Namskar, Can you explain this a bit more please? I recently heard 2 different versions. Sanjayji in Atri lecture appeared to switch the signs keeping the planets in the same house whereas Narasimha in Boston lectures appeared to switch the planets keeping the signs in the same house. Are you using one of the 2 concepts, if so which one? Kind regards Ramesh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2007 Report Share Posted January 13, 2007 Untitled Document हरे राम कृषà¥à¤£à¥¥ Dear Sharat, Namaskar The Lagna stays the same at all times. We cannot say that your birth is different from the rising sign, as this would be the effect of Maya on the lagna. No, its only the Lagnesh who can be affected by Maya, and so also only the change of lagnesh/paka lagna can occur from a parivartana between lagnesh and another graha. Hence, If a parivartana occurs between say Lagna and fifth house, then the Lagna is still the lagna, but the sign in the lagna has now become the paka lagna as well. Yours sincerely, -- Visti Larsen email: visti For consultations and articles visit: http://srigaruda.com  Sharat wrote:    हरे राम कृषà¥à¤£ Dear Ramesh,  I hope you dont mind, my thoughts on this, as I have been looking into it for a while now.  As I understand, the Lords exchange , hence the rasis remain same but the Lords undergo transformation. Visti has used this concept repeatedly to explain Parivartan Yog. He even goes on to say that if the parivartan is between Lagna and House A, then Lord of House A will act as Lagan lord and Lagan will act as Pak lagan. I hope I got this right.   Regards, Sharat - Ramesh.F.Gangaramani sohamsa Cc: pvr (AT) charter (DOT) net Friday, January 12, 2007 4:58 PM Parivartana Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat Dear Visti, Namskar, Can you explain this a bit more please? I recently heard 2 different versions. Sanjayji in Atri lecture appeared to switch the signs keeping the planets in the same house whereas Narasimha in Boston lectures appeared to switch the planets keeping the signs in the same house. Are you using one of the 2 concepts, if so which one? Kind regards Ramesh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 14, 2007 Report Share Posted January 14, 2007  हरे राम कृषà¥à¤£ Dear Visti, Namaskar Parivartan has often raised many queries but you have put them together very nicely. I will summarise for benefit of others: Parivartan between say Lagna( Lorded by Planet A ) and 5H (Lorded by Planet B); makes Lagna as Pak Lagna as well, as Planet B acts as Lagnesh.The foucs of parivartan is thus Lagna. The rasi signs do not change but the lords exchange instead. Thus the effect of the houses will be as per their rasi signs along with the transformed lords. If any of the these planets(A/B) are also in conjunction/yuti; they will not exchange any effects with them. Hence only Parivartan Yog will dominate in that case. Thanks for your guidance as always. Sharat - Visti Larsen sohamsa Saturday, January 13, 2007 10:58 PMRe: Parivartanaहरे राम कृषà¥à¤£à¥¥Dear Sharat, NamaskarThe Lagna stays the same at all times. We cannot say that your birth is different from the rising sign, as this would be the effect of Maya on the lagna. No, its only the Lagnesh who can be affected by Maya, and so also only the change of lagnesh/paka lagna can occur from a parivartana between lagnesh and another graha.Hence, If a parivartana occurs between say Lagna and fifth house, then the Lagna is still the lagna, but the sign in the lagna has now become the paka lagna as well.Yours sincerely, -- Visti Larsenemail: vistiFor consultations and articles visit: http://srigaruda.com Sharat wrote:  हरे राम कृषà¥à¤£Dear Ramesh,I hope you dont mind, my thoughts on this, as I have been looking into it for a while now.As I understand, the Lords exchange , hence the rasis remain same but the Lords undergo transformation. Visti has used this concept repeatedly to explain Parivartan Yog. He even goes on to say that if the parivartan is between Lagna and House A, then Lord of House A will act as Lagan lord and Lagan will act as Pak lagan. I hope I got this right.Regards,Sharat- Ramesh.F.Gangaramani sohamsa Cc: pvr Friday, January 12, 2007 4:58 PM ParivartanaSatyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat Dear Visti, Namskar, Can you explain this a bit more please? I recently heard 2 different versions. Sanjayji in Atri lecture appeared to switch the signs keeping the planets in the same house whereas Narasimha in Boston lectures appeared to switch the planets keeping the signs in the same house. Are you using one of the 2 concepts, if so which one? Kind regards Ramesh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 14, 2007 Report Share Posted January 14, 2007 Hare Rama Krsna Dear Vistiji and learned members, Was looking at this discussion and found a chart with parivartana in 1st and 5th house. Details 27th jan 1975, Place Baroda 74 E3 23 N 54. 5: 30 east of GMT Time 8:25. Aquarius lagna , the exchange between saturn and mercury. So essentially mercury is considered as lagna lord deposited in 1st house itself. the pakalagna is also considered as 1st house, while pakesha goes to 5th house. How do i see conjunction of jupiter , mercury and venus 1st house further? How do we see the arudha lagna in this case? What will be the results of exchange in this case. The other chart i have, has two exchange with taurus lagna. But here the exchange is of 2nd and 8th house of mercury and jupiter. And there is second exchange of 3rd and 7th house between moon and mars. How do i see these houses results? Also there is conjunction of moon venus and sun in 7th house. Swati Namah Shivaya On 1/14/07, Sharat <gidoc wrote: हरे राम कृषà¥à¤£ Dear Visti, Namaskar Parivartan has often raised many queries but you have put them together very nicely. I will summarise for benefit of others: Parivartan between say Lagna( Lorded by Planet A ) and 5H (Lorded by Planet B); makes Lagna as Pak Lagna as well, as Planet B acts as Lagnesh.The foucs of parivartan is thus Lagna. The rasi signs do not change but the lords exchange instead. Thus the effect of the houses will be as per their rasi signs along with the transformed lords. If any of the these planets(A/B) are also in conjunction/yuti; they will not exchange any effects with them. Hence only Parivartan Yog will dominate in that case. Thanks for your guidance as always. Sharat - Visti Larsen sohamsa Saturday, January 13, 2007 10:58 PMRe: Parivartanaहरे राम कृषà¥à¤£à¥¥Dear Sharat, NamaskarThe Lagna stays the same at all times. We cannot say that your birth is different from the rising sign, as this would be the effect of Maya on the lagna. No, its only the Lagnesh who can be affected by Maya, and so also only the change of lagnesh/paka lagna can occur from a parivartana between lagnesh and another graha.Hence, If a parivartana occurs between say Lagna and fifth house, then the Lagna is still the lagna, but the sign in the lagna has now become the paka lagna as well.Yours sincerely, -- Visti Larsenemail: vistiFor consultations and articles visit: http://srigaruda.com Sharat wrote: हरे राम कृषà¥à¤£Dear Ramesh,I hope you dont mind, my thoughts on this, as I have been looking into it for a while now.As I understand, the Lords exchange , hence the rasis remain same but the Lords undergo transformation. Visti has used this concept repeatedly to explain Parivartan Yog. He even goes on to say that if the parivartan is between Lagna and House A, then Lord of House A will act as Lagan lord and Lagan will act as Pak lagan. I hope I got this right.Regards,Sharat- Ramesh.F.Gangaramani sohamsa Cc: pvr Friday, January 12, 2007 4:58 PM ParivartanaSatyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat Dear Visti, Namskar, Can you explain this a bit more please? I recently heard 2 different versions. Sanjayji in Atri lecture appeared to switch the signs keeping the planets in the same house whereas Narasimha in Boston lectures appeared to switch the planets keeping the signs in the same house. Are you using one of the 2 concepts, if so which one? Kind regards Ramesh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 14, 2007 Report Share Posted January 14, 2007 Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat Dear Sharat, I am happy to see your response. I also feel Visti's rejoinder to your mail is very logical. My question however was prompted by a case analysis done by Sanjayji's in his lecture 23. Though parivartana in this case does not involve lagna lord, he has actually analysed the case by shifting rashi's to each other's house. Have you heard this lecture? If not I urge you to do the same. regards Ramesh gidoc Sent by: sohamsa 01/13/2007 02:41 PM Please respond to sohamsa To sohamsa cc Subject Re: Parivartana हरे राम कृष्ण Dear Ramesh, I hope you dont mind, my thoughts on this, as I have been looking into it for a while now. As I understand, the Lords exchange , hence the rasis remain same but the Lords undergo transformation. Visti has used this concept repeatedly to explain Parivartan Yog. He even goes on to say that if the parivartan is between Lagna and House A, then Lord of House A will act as Lagan lord and Lagan will act as Pak lagan. I hope I got this right. Regards, Sharat - Ramesh.F.Gangaramani sohamsa Cc: pvr Friday, January 12, 2007 4:58 PM Parivartana Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat Dear Visti, Namskar, Can you explain this a bit more please? I recently heard 2 different versions. Sanjayji in Atri lecture appeared to switch the signs keeping the planets in the same house whereas Narasimha in Boston lectures appeared to switch the planets keeping the signs in the same house. Are you using one of the 2 concepts, if so which one? Kind regards Ramesh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 14, 2007 Report Share Posted January 14, 2007 Jaya Jagannatha Dear Ramesh, Namaste Yes, that is the correct method. This is what I was taught by Sanjay ji in Hyderabad in 2002. Take my chart for example – Taurus lagna with Saturn in Tula (exaltation sign) and lagnesh in Kumbha hence consider my lagna lord to be exalted and Saturn goes to the 10th house. Love, Swee On 1/14/07 6:56 PM, " Ramesh.F.Gangaramani " <Ramesh.F.Gangaramani wrote: Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat Dear Sharat, I am happy to see your response. I also feel Visti's rejoinder to your mail is very logical. My question however was prompted by a case analysis done by Sanjayji's in his lecture 23. Though parivartana in this case does not involve lagna lord, he has actually analysed the case by shifting rashi's to each other's house. Have you heard this lecture? If not I urge you to do the same. regards Ramesh gidoc Sent by: sohamsa 01/13/2007 02:41 PM Please respond to sohamsa To sohamsa cc Subject Re: Parivartana हरे राम कृषà¥à¤£ Dear Ramesh, I hope you dont mind, my thoughts on this, as I have been looking into it for a while now. As I understand, the Lords exchange , hence the rasis remain same but the Lords undergo transformation. Visti has used this concept repeatedly to explain Parivartan Yog. He even goes on to say that if the parivartan is between Lagna and House A, then Lord of House A will act as Lagan lord and Lagan will act as Pak lagan. I hope I got this right. Regards, Sharat - Ramesh.F.Gangaramani sohamsa Cc: pvr Friday, January 12, 2007 4:58 PM Parivartana Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat Dear Visti, Namskar, Can you explain this a bit more please? I recently heard 2 different versions. Sanjayji in Atri lecture appeared to switch the signs keeping the planets in the same house whereas Narasimha in Boston lectures appeared to switch the planets keeping the signs in the same house. Are you using one of the 2 concepts, if so which one? Kind regards Ramesh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 14, 2007 Report Share Posted January 14, 2007  ||हरे राम कृषà¥à¤£à¥¥ Dear Swee, Namaskar, Let me fugure this as I understand and as Visti has emphasized. In your case Lagnesh(Ve in Aqu in 10H) is in parivartan with Saturn( Libra, 6H). This means that Ve behaves like Sa and vice versa. Focus of change will be on Ve( Lagnesh). Thus in 10H Aqu we are looking at Sa ( mooltrikona sign only, no exaltation), and in 6H Libra we are looking at Ve. Libra thus becomes Pak Lagan. As the Rasi's remain fixed, only the lords have transformed. Hence Lagnesh will be in Mooltrikona and not exaltation. What Ramesh says is that this may be seen as if you switch Rasi signs Ve in Libra in 10H and Sa in Aqu in 6H, in which case 10 H will become Pak lagna. Ramesh, and Swee is this what you allude to? I want to get this concept right, so please give your views. Sharat Original Message ----- Swee Chan Sohamsa Sunday, January 14, 2007 7:18 PMRe: ParivartanaJaya JagannathaDear Ramesh,NamasteYes, that is the correct method. This is what I was taught by Sanjay ji in Hyderabad in 2002. Take my chart for example – Taurus lagna with Saturn in Tula (exaltation sign) and lagnesh in Kumbha hence consider my lagna lord to be exalted and Saturn goes to the 10th house. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 14, 2007 Report Share Posted January 14, 2007  ||हरे राम कृषà¥à¤£à¥¥ Dear Ramesh and Swee, If you hear it carefully you will find that there some discrepancies ( Attri Lect 23 regarding D24 analysis) Chart 3 Parivartan between 9h(Mo in Aries) and 12h (Ma in Cancer); thus it should be looked upon as Mo in Cancer in 12h and Mars in Aries in 9H. First he says that 9L has gone to 12H hence the desire to study bachelors in foreign land . He says then that due to parivartan it may be that Mars is in its own house( 12h, Aries) and Moon is in Cancer,9h. Perhaps he meant that it may work this way.He explains Aries rasi being 12h to be linked with movement to UK(London). However in explaining the influence of Moon in the native's life; because of parivartan yoga he says that foreign languge chosen is due to Me being in Jala rasi(Cancer giving language) and foreign being in the 12H. Chart 1 Privartan between 3L Mo and 4L Su, he explains that due to this Mo(in 4H) is like Su(4L) hence education was completed otherwise Mo conjunct with Sa,Ra,Ke will have disrupted it. However then he also eplains that Rasi drishti of Ju over Su in 3H gave study of Sanskrit. Please correct me if I have interpreted this incorrectly. I am attaching the charts for other member's benefit and opinion. Swee and Visti please enlighten us. Regards Sharat - Ramesh.F.Gangaramani sohamsa Sunday, January 14, 2007 4:56 PM Re: Parivartana Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat Dear Sharat, I am happy to see your response. I also feel Visti's rejoinder to your mail is very logical. My question however was prompted by a case analysis done by Sanjayji's in his lecture 23. Though parivartana in this case does not involve lagna lord, he has actually analysed the case by shifting rashi's to each other's house. Have you heard this lecture? If not I urge you to do the same. regards Ramesh gidoc (AT) ukfsn (DOT) org Sent by: sohamsa 01/13/2007 02:41 PM Please respond tosohamsa To sohamsa cc Subject Re: Parivartana हरे राम कृषà¥à¤£Dear Ramesh, I hope you dont mind, my thoughts on this, as I have been looking into it for a while now. As I understand, the Lords exchange , hence the rasis remain same but the Lords undergo transformation. Visti has used this concept repeatedly to explain Parivartan Yog. He even goes on to say that if the parivartan is between Lagna and House A, then Lord of House A will act as Lagan lord and Lagan will act as Pak lagan. I hope I got this right. Regards, Sharat - Ramesh.F.Gangaramani sohamsa Cc: pvr (AT) charter (DOT) net Friday, January 12, 2007 4:58 PM ParivartanaSatyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat Dear Visti, Namskar, Can you explain this a bit more please? I recently heard 2 different versions. Sanjayji in Atri lecture appeared to switch the signs keeping the planets in the same house whereas Narasimha in Boston lectures appeared to switch the planets keeping the signs in the same house. Are you using one of the 2 concepts, if so which one? Kind regards Ramesh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 16, 2007 Report Share Posted January 16, 2007 Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat Dear Sharat, Your last 2 mails on the subject didn't come out legible. Regards Ramesh gidoc Sent by: sohamsa 01/14/2007 05:53 PM Please respond to sohamsa To sohamsa cc Subject Re: Parivartana ||हरे राम कृष्ण॥ Dear Ramesh and Swee, If you hear it carefully you will find that there some discrepancies ( Attri Lect 23 regarding D24 analysis) Chart 3 Parivartan between 9h(Mo in Aries) and 12h (Ma in Cancer); thus it should be looked upon as Mo in Cancer in 12h and Mars in Aries in 9H. First he says that 9L has gone to 12H hence the desire to study bachelors in foreign land . He says then that due to parivartan it may be that Mars is in its own house( 12h, Aries) and Moon is in Cancer,9h. Perhaps he meant that it may work this way.He explains Aries rasi being 12h to be linked with movement to UK(London). However in explaining the influence of Moon in the native's life; because of parivartan yoga he says that foreign languge chosen is due to Me being in Jala rasi(Cancer giving language) and foreign being in the 12H. Chart 1 Privartan between 3L Mo and 4L Su, he explains that due to this Mo(in 4H) is like Su(4L) hence education was completed otherwise Mo conjunct with Sa,Ra,Ke will have disrupted it. However then he also eplains that Rasi drishti of Ju over Su in 3H gave study of Sanskrit. Please correct me if I have interpreted this incorrectly. I am attaching the charts for other member's benefit and opinion. Swee and Visti please enlighten us. Regards Sharat - Ramesh.F.Gangaramani sohamsa Sunday, January 14, 2007 4:56 PM Re: Parivartana Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat Dear Sharat, I am happy to see your response. I also feel Visti's rejoinder to your mail is very logical. My question however was prompted by a case analysis done by Sanjayji's in his lecture 23. Though parivartana in this case does not involve lagna lord, he has actually analysed the case by shifting rashi's to each other's house. Have you heard this lecture? If not I urge you to do the same. regards Ramesh gidoc Sent by: sohamsa 01/13/2007 02:41 PM Please respond to sohamsa To sohamsa cc Subject Re: Parivartana हरे राम कृष्ण Dear Ramesh, I hope you dont mind, my thoughts on this, as I have been looking into it for a while now. As I understand, the Lords exchange , hence the rasis remain same but the Lords undergo transformation. Visti has used this concept repeatedly to explain Parivartan Yog. He even goes on to say that if the parivartan is between Lagna and House A, then Lord of House A will act as Lagan lord and Lagan will act as Pak lagan. I hope I got this right. Regards, Sharat - Ramesh.F.Gangaramani sohamsa Cc: pvr Friday, January 12, 2007 4:58 PM Parivartana Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat Dear Visti, Namskar, Can you explain this a bit more please? I recently heard 2 different versions. Sanjayji in Atri lecture appeared to switch the signs keeping the planets in the same house whereas Narasimha in Boston lectures appeared to switch the planets keeping the signs in the same house. Are you using one of the 2 concepts, if so which one? Kind regards Ramesh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 16, 2007 Report Share Posted January 16, 2007 Hare Ram Krishna Dear Ramesh, It seems quite okay to me, I am reposting it. Regards Sharat > Dear Ramesh and Swee, > > If you hear it carefully you will find that there some discrepancies ( > Attri Lect 23 regarding D24 analysis) > Chart 3 > Parivartan between 9h(Mo in Aries) and 12h (Ma in Cancer); thus it should > be looked upon as Mo in Cancer in 12h and Mars in Aries in 9H. > First he says that 9L has gone to 12H hence the desire to study bachelors > in foreign land . > He says then that due to parivartan it may be that Mars is in its own > house( 12h, Aries) and Moon is in Cancer,9h. Perhaps he meant that it may > work this way.He explains Aries rasi being 12h to be linked with movement > to UK(London). > However in explaining the influence of Moon in the native's life; because > of parivartan yoga he says that foreign languge chosen is due to Me being > in Jala rasi(Cancer giving language) and foreign being in the 12H. > Chart 1 > Privartan between 3L Mo and 4L Su, he explains that due to this Mo (in 4H) > is like Su(4L) hence education was completed otherwise Mo conjunct with > Sa,Ra,Ke will have disrupted it. However then he also eplains that Rasi > drishti of Ju over Su in 3H gave study of Sanskrit. > > Please correct me if I have interpreted this incorrectly. I am attaching > the charts for other member's benefit and opinion. > > Swee and Visti please enlighten us. > > > Regards > Sharat > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 16, 2007 Report Share Posted January 16, 2007 Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat Dear Swee, This looks like a new dimension. I would have considered following options; 1. Saturn in 10H in Aquarius and Venus in 6H in Libra, or 2. Saturn in 6H in Aquarius and Venus in 10H in Libra but then neither is in exaltation! I guess i haven't understood your point of view correctly! Best regards Ramesh sweechan Sent by: sohamsa 01/14/2007 02:18 PM Please respond to sohamsa To sohamsa cc Subject Re: Parivartana Jaya Jagannatha Dear Ramesh, Namaste Yes, that is the correct method. This is what I was taught by Sanjay ji in Hyderabad in 2002. Take my chart for example – Taurus lagna with Saturn in Tula (exaltation sign) and lagnesh in Kumbha hence consider my lagna lord to be exalted and Saturn goes to the 10th house. Love, Swee On 1/14/07 6:56 PM, " Ramesh.F.Gangaramani " <Ramesh.F.Gangaramani wrote: Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat Dear Sharat, I am happy to see your response. I also feel Visti's rejoinder to your mail is very logical. My question however was prompted by a case analysis done by Sanjayji's in his lecture 23. Though parivartana in this case does not involve lagna lord, he has actually analysed the case by shifting rashi's to each other's house. Have you heard this lecture? If not I urge you to do the same. regards Ramesh gidoc Sent by: sohamsa 01/13/2007 02:41 PM Please respond to sohamsa To sohamsa cc Subject Re: Parivartana हरे राम कृष्ण Dear Ramesh, I hope you dont mind, my thoughts on this, as I have been looking into it for a while now. As I understand, the Lords exchange , hence the rasis remain same but the Lords undergo transformation. Visti has used this concept repeatedly to explain Parivartan Yog. He even goes on to say that if the parivartan is between Lagna and House A, then Lord of House A will act as Lagan lord and Lagan will act as Pak lagan. I hope I got this right. Regards, Sharat - Ramesh.F.Gangaramani sohamsa Cc: pvr Friday, January 12, 2007 4:58 PM Parivartana Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat Dear Visti, Namskar, Can you explain this a bit more please? I recently heard 2 different versions. Sanjayji in Atri lecture appeared to switch the signs keeping the planets in the same house whereas Narasimha in Boston lectures appeared to switch the planets keeping the signs in the same house. Are you using one of the 2 concepts, if so which one? Kind regards Ramesh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 18, 2007 Report Share Posted January 18, 2007 Jaya Jagannatha Dear Ramesh, Namaste How is your example a parivatana? Swee On 1/16/07 8:39 PM, " Ramesh.F.Gangaramani " <Ramesh.F.Gangaramani wrote: Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat Dear Swee, This looks like a new dimension. I would have considered following options; 1. Saturn in 10H in Aquarius and Venus in 6H in Libra, or 2. Saturn in 6H in Aquarius and Venus in 10H in Libra but then neither is in exaltation! I guess i haven't understood your point of view correctly! Best regards Ramesh sweechan Sent by: sohamsa 01/14/2007 02:18 PM Please respond to sohamsa To sohamsa cc Subject Re: Parivartana Jaya Jagannatha Dear Ramesh, Namaste Yes, that is the correct method. This is what I was taught by Sanjay ji in Hyderabad in 2002. Take my chart for example – Taurus lagna with Saturn in Tula (exaltation sign) and lagnesh in Kumbha hence consider my lagna lord to be exalted and Saturn goes to the 10th house. Love, Swee On 1/14/07 6:56 PM, " Ramesh.F.Gangaramani " <Ramesh.F.Gangaramani wrote: Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat Dear Sharat, I am happy to see your response. I also feel Visti's rejoinder to your mail is very logical. My question however was prompted by a case analysis done by Sanjayji's in his lecture 23. Though parivartana in this case does not involve lagna lord, he has actually analysed the case by shifting rashi's to each other's house. Have you heard this lecture? If not I urge you to do the same. regards Ramesh gidoc Sent by: sohamsa 01/13/2007 02:41 PM Please respond to sohamsa To sohamsa cc Subject Re: Parivartana हरे राम कृषà¥à¤£ Dear Ramesh, I hope you dont mind, my thoughts on this, as I have been looking into it for a while now. As I understand, the Lords exchange , hence the rasis remain same but the Lords undergo transformation. Visti has used this concept repeatedly to explain Parivartan Yog. He even goes on to say that if the parivartan is between Lagna and House A, then Lord of House A will act as Lagan lord and Lagan will act as Pak lagan. I hope I got this right. Regards, Sharat - Ramesh.F.Gangaramani sohamsa Cc: pvr Friday, January 12, 2007 4:58 PM Parivartana Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat Dear Visti, Namskar, Can you explain this a bit more please? I recently heard 2 different versions. Sanjayji in Atri lecture appeared to switch the signs keeping the planets in the same house whereas Narasimha in Boston lectures appeared to switch the planets keeping the signs in the same house. Are you using one of the 2 concepts, if so which one? Kind regards Ramesh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 18, 2007 Report Share Posted January 18, 2007  Hare Ram Krishna Dear Swee, Namaskar Please explain the parivartan in your chart. Ta Lagna; Sa in Libra and Ve in Aqua. Due to parivartan; focus goes away from the Kendra and to the 6h, Libra. So Sa behaves like lagnesh and Ve behaves like Saturn in its own sign. Libra becomes paka lagan and has to be strengthened. So 6H, will give results of Ve in its own sign Libra? and Sa give results of 10H Aqua. Is that a logical conclusion? Thanks for your help. Sharat - Swee Chan Sohamsa Sunday, January 14, 2007 7:18 PM Re: Parivartana Jaya JagannathaDear Ramesh,NamasteYes, that is the correct method. This is what I was taught by Sanjay ji in Hyderabad in 2002. Take my chart for example – Taurus lagna with Saturn in Tula (exaltation sign) and lagnesh in Kumbha hence consider my lagna lord to be exalted and Saturn goes to the 10th house.Love,SweeOn 1/14/07 6:56 PM, "Ramesh.F.Gangaramani" <Ramesh.F.Gangaramani wrote: Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat Dear Sharat, I am happy to see your response. I also feel Visti's rejoinder to your mail is very logical. My question however was prompted by a case analysis done by Sanjayji's in his lecture 23. Though parivartana in this case does not involve lagna lord, he has actually analysed the case by shifting rashi's to each other's house. Have you heard this lecture? If not I urge you to do the same. regards Ramesh gidoc (AT) ukfsn (DOT) org Sent by: sohamsa 01/13/2007 02:41 PM Please respond tosohamsa To sohamsa ccSubject Re: Parivartana हरे राम कृषà¥à¤£Dear Ramesh, I hope you dont mind, my thoughts on this, as I have been looking into it for a while now. As I understand, the Lords exchange , hence the rasis remain same but the Lords undergo transformation. Visti has used this concept repeatedly to explain Parivartan Yog. He even goes on to say that if the parivartan is between Lagna and House A, then Lord of House A will act as Lagan lord and Lagan will act as Pak lagan. I hope I got this right. Regards, Sharat - Ramesh.F.Gangaramani sohamsa Cc: pvr (AT) charter (DOT) net Friday, January 12, 2007 4:58 PM ParivartanaSatyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat Dear Visti, Namskar, Can you explain this a bit more please? I recently heard 2 different versions. Sanjayji in Atri lecture appeared to switch the signs keeping the planets in the same house whereas Narasimha in Boston lectures appeared to switch the planets keeping the signs in the same house. Are you using one of the 2 concepts, if so which one? Kind regards Ramesh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 18, 2007 Report Share Posted January 18, 2007  Hare Ram Krishna Dear Swee, Namaskar Please explain the parivartan in your chart. Ta Lagna; Sa in Libra and Ve in Aqua. Due to parivartan; focus goes away from the Kendra and to the 6h, Libra. So Sa behaves like lagnesh and Ve behaves like Saturn in its own sign. Libra becomes paka lagan and has to be strengthened. So 6H, will give results of Ve in its own sign Libra? and Sa give results of 10H Aqua. Is that a logical conclusion? Thanks for your help. Sharat - Swee Chan Sohamsa Sunday, January 14, 2007 7:18 PM Re: Parivartana Jaya JagannathaDear Ramesh,NamasteYes, that is the correct method. This is what I was taught by Sanjay ji in Hyderabad in 2002. Take my chart for example – Taurus lagna with Saturn in Tula (exaltation sign) and lagnesh in Kumbha hence consider my lagna lord to be exalted and Saturn goes to the 10th house.Love,SweeOn 1/14/07 6:56 PM, "Ramesh.F.Gangaramani" <Ramesh.F.Gangaramani wrote: Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat Dear Sharat, I am happy to see your response. I also feel Visti's rejoinder to your mail is very logical. My question however was prompted by a case analysis done by Sanjayji's in his lecture 23. Though parivartana in this case does not involve lagna lord, he has actually analysed the case by shifting rashi's to each other's house. Have you heard this lecture? If not I urge you to do the same. regards Ramesh gidoc (AT) ukfsn (DOT) org Sent by: sohamsa 01/13/2007 02:41 PM Please respond tosohamsa To sohamsa ccSubject Re: Parivartana हरे राम कृषà¥à¤£Dear Ramesh, I hope you dont mind, my thoughts on this, as I have been looking into it for a while now. As I understand, the Lords exchange , hence the rasis remain same but the Lords undergo transformation. Visti has used this concept repeatedly to explain Parivartan Yog. He even goes on to say that if the parivartan is between Lagna and House A, then Lord of House A will act as Lagan lord and Lagan will act as Pak lagan. I hope I got this right. Regards, Sharat - Ramesh.F.Gangaramani sohamsa Cc: pvr (AT) charter (DOT) net Friday, January 12, 2007 4:58 PM ParivartanaSatyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat Dear Visti, Namskar, Can you explain this a bit more please? I recently heard 2 different versions. Sanjayji in Atri lecture appeared to switch the signs keeping the planets in the same house whereas Narasimha in Boston lectures appeared to switch the planets keeping the signs in the same house. Are you using one of the 2 concepts, if so which one? Kind regards Ramesh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 18, 2007 Report Share Posted January 18, 2007 Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat Dear Swee, namaste May be I didn't put across my doubt clear enough. I take following as given. In case of a parivartana. 1. Planets behave as if they are in own house. 2. the two planets are in sambandha and will give results of this sambandha. The question was related to various other interpretations that go with placement of planets in the chart. Do we move (hypothetically) the planet to other house or move the rashis? Assuming we do one of the two, in your case since we have the option of moving Saturn to Aquarius in 10H or moving Aquarius to 6H where Saturn is placed. Or is not as clear-cut as that? thanks and regards Ramesh sweechan Sent by: sohamsa 01/18/2007 03:35 AM Please respond to sohamsa To sohamsa cc Subject Re: Parivartana Jaya Jagannatha Dear Ramesh, Namaste How is your example a parivatana? Swee On 1/16/07 8:39 PM, " Ramesh.F.Gangaramani " <Ramesh.F.Gangaramani wrote: Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat Dear Swee, This looks like a new dimension. I would have considered following options; 1. Saturn in 10H in Aquarius and Venus in 6H in Libra, or 2. Saturn in 6H in Aquarius and Venus in 10H in Libra but then neither is in exaltation! I guess i haven't understood your point of view correctly! Best regards Ramesh sweechan Sent by: sohamsa 01/14/2007 02:18 PM Please respond to sohamsa To sohamsa cc Subject Re: Parivartana Jaya Jagannatha Dear Ramesh, Namaste Yes, that is the correct method. This is what I was taught by Sanjay ji in Hyderabad in 2002. Take my chart for example – Taurus lagna with Saturn in Tula (exaltation sign) and lagnesh in Kumbha hence consider my lagna lord to be exalted and Saturn goes to the 10th house. Love, Swee On 1/14/07 6:56 PM, " Ramesh.F.Gangaramani " <Ramesh.F.Gangaramani wrote: Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat Dear Sharat, I am happy to see your response. I also feel Visti's rejoinder to your mail is very logical. My question however was prompted by a case analysis done by Sanjayji's in his lecture 23. Though parivartana in this case does not involve lagna lord, he has actually analysed the case by shifting rashi's to each other's house. Have you heard this lecture? If not I urge you to do the same. regards Ramesh gidoc Sent by: sohamsa 01/13/2007 02:41 PM Please respond to sohamsa To sohamsa cc Subject Re: Parivartana हरे राम कृष्ण Dear Ramesh, I hope you dont mind, my thoughts on this, as I have been looking into it for a while now. As I understand, the Lords exchange , hence the rasis remain same but the Lords undergo transformation. Visti has used this concept repeatedly to explain Parivartan Yog. He even goes on to say that if the parivartan is between Lagna and House A, then Lord of House A will act as Lagan lord and Lagan will act as Pak lagan. I hope I got this right. Regards, Sharat - Ramesh.F.Gangaramani sohamsa Cc: pvr Friday, January 12, 2007 4:58 PM Parivartana Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat Dear Visti, Namskar, Can you explain this a bit more please? I recently heard 2 different versions. Sanjayji in Atri lecture appeared to switch the signs keeping the planets in the same house whereas Narasimha in Boston lectures appeared to switch the planets keeping the signs in the same house. Are you using one of the 2 concepts, if so which one? Kind regards Ramesh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 18, 2007 Report Share Posted January 18, 2007 Jaya Jagannatha Dear Sharat and Ramesh, Namaste Focus is firstly always on the lagna lord. In this case it is Venus who has gone to the exalted sign – hence, is “seen” to be exalted and Saturn goes to the 10th. Therefore, Saturn needs some “nursing”. Further, a lagna lord in the 6th falls in line with the dictum of the dimantha yoga being formed. Love, Swee Ta Lagna; Sa in Libra and Ve in Aqua. Due to parivartan; focus goes away from the Kendra and to the 6h, Libra. So Sa behaves like lagnesh and Ve behaves like Saturn in its own sign. Libra becomes paka lagan and has to be strengthened.  So 6H, will give results of Ve in its own sign Libra? and Sa give results of 10H Aqua. Is that a logical conclusion?  Thanks for your help.  Sharat Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat Dear Swee, namaste May be I didn't put across my doubt clear enough. I take following as given. In case of a parivartana. 1. Planets behave as if they are in own house. 2. the two planets are in sambandha and will give results of this sambandha. The question was related to various other interpretations that go with placement of planets in the chart. Do we move (hypothetically) the planet to other house or move the rashis? Assuming we do one of the two, in your case since we have the option of moving Saturn to Aquarius in 10H or moving Aquarius to 6H where Saturn is placed. Or is not as clear-cut as that? thanks and regards Ramesh sweechan Sent by: sohamsa 01/18/2007 03:35 AM Please respond to sohamsa To sohamsa cc Subject Re: Parivartana Jaya Jagannatha Dear Ramesh, Namaste How is your example a parivatana? Swee On 1/16/07 8:39 PM, " Ramesh.F.Gangaramani " <Ramesh.F.Gangaramani wrote: Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat Dear Swee, This looks like a new dimension. I would have considered following options; 1. Saturn in 10H in Aquarius and Venus in 6H in Libra, or 2. Saturn in 6H in Aquarius and Venus in 10H in Libra but then neither is in exaltation! I guess i haven't understood your point of view correctly! Best regards Ramesh sweechan Sent by: sohamsa 01/14/2007 02:18 PM Please respond to sohamsa To sohamsa cc Subject Re: Parivartana Jaya Jagannatha Dear Ramesh, Namaste Yes, that is the correct method. This is what I was taught by Sanjay ji in Hyderabad in 2002. Take my chart for example – Taurus lagna with Saturn in Tula (exaltation sign) and lagnesh in Kumbha hence consider my lagna lord to be exalted and Saturn goes to the 10th house. Love, Swee On 1/14/07 6:56 PM, " Ramesh.F.Gangaramani " <Ramesh.F.Gangaramani wrote: Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat Dear Sharat, I am happy to see your response. I also feel Visti's rejoinder to your mail is very logical. My question however was prompted by a case analysis done by Sanjayji's in his lecture 23. Though parivartana in this case does not involve lagna lord, he has actually analysed the case by shifting rashi's to each other's house. Have you heard this lecture? If not I urge you to do the same. regards Ramesh gidoc Sent by: sohamsa 01/13/2007 02:41 PM Please respond to sohamsa To sohamsa cc Subject Re: Parivartana हरे राम कृषà¥à¤£ Dear Ramesh, I hope you dont mind, my thoughts on this, as I have been looking into it for a while now. As I understand, the Lords exchange , hence the rasis remain same but the Lords undergo transformation. Visti has used this concept repeatedly to explain Parivartan Yog. He even goes on to say that if the parivartan is between Lagna and House A, then Lord of House A will act as Lagan lord and Lagan will act as Pak lagan. I hope I got this right. Regards, Sharat - Ramesh.F.Gangaramani sohamsa Cc: pvr Friday, January 12, 2007 4:58 PM Parivartana Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat Dear Visti, Namskar, Can you explain this a bit more please? I recently heard 2 different versions. Sanjayji in Atri lecture appeared to switch the signs keeping the planets in the same house whereas Narasimha in Boston lectures appeared to switch the planets keeping the signs in the same house. Are you using one of the 2 concepts, if so which one? Kind regards Ramesh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 18, 2007 Report Share Posted January 18, 2007 !Om Gurave Namah! Dear Swee ji, Namaskar! In case of parivartan, what happens if one of the benefic planets was shaapit? Does the shaap also transforms?? Warm regards, PranavSwee Chan <sweechan wrote: Jaya JagannathaDear Sharat and Ramesh,NamasteFocus is firstly always on the lagna lord. In this case it is Venus who has gone to the exalted sign – hence, is “seen” to be exalted and Saturn goes to the 10th. Therefore, Saturn needs some “nursing”.Further, a lagna lord in the 6th falls in line with the dictum of the dimantha yoga being formed.Love,Swee Ta Lagna; Sa in Libra and Ve in Aqua.Due to parivartan; focus goes away from the Kendra and to the 6h, Libra. So Sa behaves like lagnesh and Ve behaves like Saturn in its own sign. Libra becomes paka lagan and has to be strengthened. So 6H, will give results of Ve in its own sign Libra? and Sa give results of 10H Aqua. Is that a logical conclusion? Thanks for your help. SharatSatyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat Dear Swee, namaste May be I didn't put across my doubt clear enough. I take following as given. In case of a parivartana. 1. Planets behave as if they are in own house. 2. the two planets are in sambandha and will give results of this sambandha. The question was related to various other interpretations that go with placement of planets in the chart. Do we move (hypothetically) the planet to other house or move the rashis? Assuming we do one of the two, in your case since we have the option of moving Saturn to Aquarius in 10H or moving Aquarius to 6H where Saturn is placed. Or is not as clear-cut as that? thanks and regards Ramesh sweechan (AT) mac (DOT) com Sent by: sohamsa 01/18/2007 03:35 AM Please respond tosohamsa To sohamsa ccSubject Re: Parivartana Jaya JagannathaDear Ramesh,NamasteHow is your example a parivatana?SweeOn 1/16/07 8:39 PM, "Ramesh.F.Gangaramani" <Ramesh.F.Gangaramani wrote: Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat Dear Swee, This looks like a new dimension. I would have considered following options; 1. Saturn in 10H in Aquarius and Venus in 6H in Libra, or 2. Saturn in 6H in Aquarius and Venus in 10H in Libra but then neither is in exaltation! I guess i haven't understood your point of view correctly! Best regards Ramesh sweechan (AT) mac (DOT) com Sent by: sohamsa 01/14/2007 02:18 PM Please respond tosohamsa To sohamsa ccSubject Re: Parivartana Jaya JagannathaDear Ramesh,NamasteYes, that is the correct method. This is what I was taught by Sanjay ji in Hyderabad in 2002. Take my chart for example – Taurus lagna with Saturn in Tula (exaltation sign) and lagnesh in Kumbha hence consider my lagna lord to be exalted and Saturn goes to the 10th house.Love,SweeOn 1/14/07 6:56 PM, "Ramesh.F.Gangaramani" <Ramesh.F.Gangaramani wrote: Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat Dear Sharat, I am happy to see your response. I also feel Visti's rejoinder to your mail is very logical. My question however was prompted by a case analysis done by Sanjayji's in his lecture 23. Though parivartana in this case does not involve lagna lord, he has actually analysed the case by shifting rashi's to each other's house. Have you heard this lecture? If not I urge you to do the same. regards Ramesh gidoc (AT) ukfsn (DOT) org Sent by: sohamsa 01/13/2007 02:41 PM Please respond tosohamsa To sohamsa ccSubject Re: Parivartana हरे राम कृषà¥à¤£Dear Ramesh, I hope you dont mind, my thoughts on this, as I have been looking into it for a while now. As I understand, the Lords exchange , hence the rasis remain same but the Lords undergo transformation. Visti has used this concept repeatedly to explain Parivartan Yog. He even goes on to say that if the parivartan is between Lagna and House A, then Lord of House A will act as Lagan lord and Lagan will act as Pak lagan. I hope I got this right. Regards, Sharat - Ramesh.F.Gangaramani sohamsa Cc: pvr (AT) charter (DOT) net Friday, January 12, 2007 4:58 PM ParivartanaSatyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat Dear Visti, Namskar, Can you explain this a bit more please? I recently heard 2 different versions. Sanjayji in Atri lecture appeared to switch the signs keeping the planets in the same house whereas Narasimha in Boston lectures appeared to switch the planets keeping the signs in the same house. Are you using one of the 2 concepts, if so which one? Kind regards Ramesh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 19, 2007 Report Share Posted January 19, 2007 Jaya Jagannatha Dear Pranav, Namaste By association, one can be charged by aiding and abetting, isn’t it? So yes. If the malefic is in exchange with a benefic, the malefic will become a better personality and the tamasic residual effect of the malefic can rub off to the benefic. Of course if the benefic has gone to a benefic sign, then except much less residual “contamination”. Taking mine for example by forcusing on the 10th first (and then rasi drishti). There are 2 co-lords. Sani in the 10th has always given me a facination for Temples. I have always visited Temples and have attended every musical drama possible for as long as I can remember. In reading the chart as is, Jupiter (also reading without the exchange) aspects BK Saturn, Rahu and Venus. During various dasas, I have had different Gurus to guide me, including BK Saturn (elder brother) and my own Guru. The contamination of my first guide/Guru can be seen in the rasi drishti of the dual signs. The parivatana of Mercury and Jupiter are in rasi drishti with Rahu. Love, Swee On 1/18/07 9:06 PM, " sushmagupta51 " <sushmagupta51 wrote: !Om Gurave Namah! Dear Swee ji, Namaskar! In case of parivartan, what happens if one of the benefic planets was shaapit? Does the shaap also transforms?? Warm regards, Pranav Swee Chan <sweechan wrote: Jaya Jagannatha Dear Sharat and Ramesh, Namaste Focus is firstly always on the lagna lord. In this case it is Venus who has gone to the exalted sign – hence, is “seen” to be exalted and Saturn goes to the 10th. Therefore, Saturn needs some “nursing”. Further, a lagna lord in the 6th falls in line with the dictum of the dimantha yoga being formed. Love, Swee Ta Lagna; Sa in Libra and Ve in Aqua. Due to parivartan; focus goes away from the Kendra and to the 6h, Libra. So Sa behaves like lagnesh and Ve behaves like Saturn in its own sign. Libra becomes paka lagan and has to be strengthened.  So 6H, will give results of Ve in its own sign Libra? and S! a give results of 10H Aqua. Is that a logical conclusion?  Thanks for your help.  Sharat Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat Dear Swee, namaste May be I didn't put across my doubt clear enough. I take following as given. In case of a parivartana. 1. Planets behave as if they are in own house. 2. the two planets are in sambandha and will give results of this sambandha. The question was related to various other interpretations that go with placement of planets in the! chart. Do we move (hypothetically) the planet to other house or move the rashis? Assuming we do one of the two, in your case since we have the option of moving Saturn to Aquarius in 10H or moving Aquarius to 6H where Saturn is placed. Or is not as clear-cut as that? thanks and regards Ramesh sweechan Sent by: sohamsa 01/18/2007 03:35 AM Please respond to sohamsa To sohamsa cc Subject Re: Parivartana Jaya Jagannatha Dear Ramesh, Namaste How is your example a parivatana? Swee On 1/16/07 8:39 PM, " Ramesh.F.Gangaramani " <Ramesh.F.Gangaramani wrote: Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat Dear Swee, This looks like a new dimension. I would have considered following options; 1. Saturn in 10H in Aquarius and Venus in 6H in Libra, or 2. Saturn in 6H in Aquarius and Venus in 10H in Libra but then neither is in exaltation! I guess i haven't understood your point of view correctly! Best regards Ramesh sweechan Sent by: sohamsa 01/14/2007 02:18 PM Please respond to sohamsa To sohamsa cc Subject Re: Parivartana Jaya Jagannatha Dear Ramesh, Namaste Yes, that is the correct method. This is what I was taught by Sanjay ji in Hyderabad in 2002. Take my chart for example – Taurus lagna with Saturn in Tula (exaltation sign) and lagnesh in Kumbha hence consider my lagna lord to be exalted and Saturn goes to the 10th house. Love, Swee On 1/14/07 6:56 PM, " Ramesh.F.Gangaramani " <Ramesh.F.Gangaramani wrote: Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat Dear Sharat, I am happy to see your response. I also feel Visti's rejoinder to your mail is very logical. My question however was prompted by a case analysis done by Sanjayji's in his lecture 23. Though parivartana in this case does not involve lagna lord, he has actually analysed the case by shifting rashi's to each other's house. Have you heard this lecture? If not I urge you to do the same. regards Ramesh gidoc Sent by: sohamsa 01/13/2007 02:41 PM Please respond to sohamsa To sohamsa cc Subject Re: Parivartana हरàÂ¥‡ राम कàÂ¥ƒà¤·àÂ¥Âण Dear Ramesh, I hope you dont mind, my thoughts on this, as I have been looking into it for a while now. As I understand, the Lords exchange , hence the rasis remain same but the Lords undergo transformation. Visti has used this concept repeatedly to explain Parivartan Yog. He even goes on to say that if the parivartan is between Lagna and House A, then Lord of House A will act as Lagan lord and Lagan will act as Pak lagan. I hope I got this right. Regards, Sharat - Ramesh.F.Gangaramani sohamsa Cc: pvr Friday, January 12, 2007 4:58 PM Parivartana Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat Dear Visti, Namskar, Can you explain this a bit more please? I recently heard 2 different versions. Sanjayji in Atri lecture appeared to switch the signs keeping the planets in the same house whereas Narasimha in Boston lectures appeared to switch the planets keeping the signs in the same house. Are you using one of the 2 concepts, if so which one? Kind regards Ramesh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 19, 2007 Report Share Posted January 19, 2007  Hare Ram Krishna Dear Swee, Namaskar, Is it possible to have your chart details so we can understand this. Many thanks Regards Sharat - Swee Chan Sohamsa Friday, January 19, 2007 11:56 AM Re: Parivartana Jaya JagannathaDear Pranav,NamasteBy association, one can be charged by aiding and abetting, isn’t it? So yes. If the malefic is in exchange with a benefic, the malefic will become a better personality and the tamasic residual effect of the malefic can rub off to the benefic. Of course if the benefic has gone to a benefic sign, then except much less residual “contaminationâ€.Taking mine for example by forcusing on the 10th first (and then rasi drishti). There are 2 co-lords. Sani in the 10th has always given me a facination for Temples. I have always visited Temples and have attended every musical drama possible for as long as I can remember. In reading the chart as is, Jupiter (also reading without the exchange) aspects BK Saturn, Rahu and Venus. During various dasas, I have had different Gurus to guide me, including BK Saturn (elder brother) and my own Guru. The contamination of my first guide/Guru can be seen in the rasi drishti of the dual signs. The parivatana of Mercury and Jupiter are in rasi drishti with Rahu.Love,SweeOn 1/18/07 9:06 PM, "sushmagupta51" <sushmagupta51 > wrote: !Om Gurave Namah! Dear Swee ji, Namaskar! In case of parivartan, what happens if one of the benefic planets was shaapit? Does the shaap also transforms?? Warm regards, PranavSwee Chan <sweechan (AT) mac (DOT) com> wrote: Jaya JagannathaDear Sharat and Ramesh,NamasteFocus is firstly always on the lagna lord. In this case it is Venus who has gone to the exalted sign – hence, is “seen†to be exalted and Saturn goes to the 10th. Therefore, Saturn needs some “nursingâ€.Further, a lagna lord in the 6th falls in line with the dictum of the dimantha yoga being formed.Love,Swee Ta Lagna; Sa in Libra and Ve in Aqua.Due to parivartan; focus goes away from the Kendra and to the 6h, Libra. So Sa behaves like lagnesh and Ve behaves like Saturn in its own sign. Libra becomes paka lagan and has to be strengthened. So 6H, will give results of Ve in its own sign Libra? and S! a give results of 10H Aqua. Is that a logical conclusion? Thanks for your help. SharatSatyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat Dear Swee, namaste May be I didn't put across my doubt clear enough. I take following as given. In case of a parivartana. 1. Planets behave as if they are in own house. 2. the two planets are in sambandha and will give results of this sambandha. The question was related to various other interpretations that go with placement of planets in the! chart. Do we move (hypothetically) the planet to other house or move the rashis? Assuming we do one of the two, in your case since we have the option of moving Saturn to Aquarius in 10H or moving Aquarius to 6H where Saturn is placed. Or is not as clear-cut as that? thanks and regards Ramesh sweechan (AT) mac (DOT) com Sent by: sohamsa 01/18/2007 03:35 AM Please respond tosohamsa To sohamsa ccSubject Re: Parivartana Jaya JagannathaDear Ramesh,NamasteHow is your example a parivatana?SweeOn 1/16/07 8:39 PM, "Ramesh.F.Gangaramani" <Ramesh.F.Gangaramani wrote: Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat Dear Swee, This looks like a new dimension. I would have considered following options; 1. Saturn in 10H in Aquarius and Venus in 6H in Libra, or 2. Saturn in 6H in Aquarius and Venus in 10H in Libra but then neither is in exaltation! I guess i haven't understood your point of view correctly! Best regards Ramesh sweechan (AT) mac (DOT) com Sent by: sohamsa 01/14/2007 02:18 PM Please respond tosohamsa To sohamsa ccSubject Re: Parivartana Jaya JagannathaDear Ramesh,NamasteYes, that is the correct method. This is what I was taught by Sanjay ji in Hyderabad in 2002. Take my chart for example – Taurus lagna with Saturn in Tula (exaltation sign) and lagnesh in Kumbha hence consider my lagna lord to be exalted and Saturn goes to the 10th house.Love,SweeOn 1/14/07 6:56 PM, "Ramesh.F.Gangaramani" <Ramesh.F.Gangaramani wrote: Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat Dear Sharat, I am happy to see your response. I also feel Visti's rejoinder to your mail is very logical. My question however was prompted by a case analysis done by Sanjayji's in his lecture 23. Though parivartana in this case does not involve lagna lord, he has actually analysed the case by shifting rashi's to each other's house. Have you heard this lecture? If not I urge you to do the same. regards Ramesh gidoc (AT) ukfsn (DOT) org Sent by: sohamsa 01/13/2007 02:41 PM Please respond tosohamsa To sohamsa ccSubject Re: Parivartana à ¤¹à ¤°à ¥‡ à ¤°à ¤¾à ¤® à ¤•à ¥ƒà ¤·à ¥Âà ¤£Dear Ramesh, I hope you dont mind, my thoughts on this, as I have been looking into it for a while now. As I understand, the Lords exchange , hence the rasis remain same but the Lords undergo transformation. Visti has used this concept repeatedly to explain Parivartan Yog. He even goes on to say that if the parivartan is between Lagna and House A, then Lord of House A will act as Lagan lord and Lagan will act as Pak lagan. I hope I got this right. Regards, Sharat - Ramesh.F.Gangaramani sohamsa Cc: pvr (AT) charter (DOT) net Friday, January 12, 2007 4:58 PM ParivartanaSatyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat Dear Visti, Namskar, Can you explain this a bit more please? I recently heard 2 different versions. Sanjayji in Atri lecture appeared to switch the signs keeping the planets in the same house whereas Narasimha in Boston lectures appeared to switch the planets keeping the signs in the same house. Are you using one of the 2 concepts, if so which one? Kind regards Ramesh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 19, 2007 Report Share Posted January 19, 2007 Hare Rama Krsna , Dear learned members, Can we take the chart of Indira Gandhi and elucidate on the Parivartana working. She has three exchanges and it wil be interesting to see how it works in different dashas. it will help people like me understand better. Swati namah Shivaya On 1/19/07, Sharat < gidoc wrote: Hare Ram Krishna Dear Swee, Namaskar, Is it possible to have your chart details so we can understand this. Many thanks Regards Sharat - Swee Chan Sohamsa Friday, January 19, 2007 11:56 AM Re: Parivartana Jaya JagannathaDear Pranav,NamasteBy association, one can be charged by aiding and abetting, isn't it? So yes. If the malefic is in exchange with a benefic, the malefic will become a better personality and the tamasic residual effect of the malefic can rub off to the benefic. Of course if the benefic has gone to a benefic sign, then except much less residual " contamination " .Taking mine for example by forcusing on the 10th first (and then rasi drishti). There are 2 co-lords. Sani in the 10th has always given me a facination for Temples. I have always visited Temples and have attended every musical drama possible for as long as I can remember. In reading the chart as is, Jupiter (also reading without the exchange) aspects BK Saturn, Rahu and Venus. During various dasas, I have had different Gurus to guide me, including BK Saturn (elder brother) and my own Guru. The contamination of my first guide/Guru can be seen in the rasi drishti of the dual signs. The parivatana of Mercury and Jupiter are in rasi drishti with Rahu.Love,SweeOn 1/18/07 9:06 PM, " sushmagupta51 " <sushmagupta51 > wrote: !Om Gurave Namah! Dear Swee ji, Namaskar! In case of parivartan, what happens if one of the benefic planets was shaapit? Does the shaap also transforms?? Warm regards, PranavSwee Chan <sweechan wrote: Jaya JagannathaDear Sharat and Ramesh,NamasteFocus is firstly always on the lagna lord. In this case it is Venus who has gone to the exalted sign – hence, is " seen " to be exalted and Saturn goes to the 10th. Therefore, Saturn needs some " nursing " .Further, a lagna lord in the 6th falls in line with the dictum of the dimantha yoga being formed.Love,Swee Ta Lagna; Sa in Libra and Ve in Aqua.Due to parivartan; focus goes away from the Kendra and to the 6h, Libra. So Sa behaves like lagnesh and Ve behaves like Saturn in its own sign. Libra becomes paka lagan and has to be strengthened. So 6H, will give results of Ve in its own sign Libra? and S! a give results of 10H Aqua. Is that a logical conclusion? Thanks for your help. SharatSatyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat Dear Swee, namaste May be I didn't put across my doubt clear enough. I take following as given. In case of a parivartana. 1. Planets behave as if they are in own house. 2. the two planets are in sambandha and will give results of this sambandha. The question was related to various other interpretations that go with placement of planets in the! chart. Do we move (hypothetically) the planet to other house or move the rashis? Assuming we do one of the two, in your case since we have the option of moving Saturn to Aquarius in 10H or moving Aquarius to 6H where Saturn is placed. Or is not as clear-cut as that? thanks and regards Ramesh sweechan Sent by: sohamsa 01/18/2007 03:35 AM Please respond tosohamsa To sohamsa ccSubject Re: Parivartana Jaya JagannathaDear Ramesh,NamasteHow is your example a parivatana?SweeOn 1/16/07 8:39 PM, " Ramesh.F.Gangaramani " <Ramesh.F.Gangaramani wrote: Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat Dear Swee, This looks like a new dimension. I would have considered following options; 1. Saturn in 10H in Aquarius and Venus in 6H in Libra, or 2. Saturn in 6H in Aquarius and Venus in 10H in Libra but then neither is in exaltation! I guess i haven't understood your point of view correctly! Best regards Ramesh sweechan Sent by: sohamsa 01/14/2007 02:18 PM Please respond tosohamsa To sohamsa ccSubject Re: Parivartana Jaya JagannathaDear Ramesh,NamasteYes, that is the correct method. This is what I was taught by Sanjay ji in Hyderabad in 2002. Take my chart for example – Taurus lagna with Saturn in Tula (exaltation sign) and lagnesh in Kumbha hence consider my lagna lord to be exalted and Saturn goes to the 10th house.Love,SweeOn 1/14/07 6:56 PM, " Ramesh.F.Gangaramani " <Ramesh.F.Gangaramani wrote: Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat Dear Sharat, I am happy to see your response. I also feel Visti's rejoinder to your mail is very logical. My question however was prompted by a case analysis done by Sanjayji's in his lecture 23. Though parivartana in this case does not involve lagna lord, he has actually analysed the case by shifting rashi's to each other's house. Have you heard this lecture? If not I urge you to do the same. regards Ramesh gidoc Sent by: sohamsa 01/13/2007 02:41 PM Please respond tosohamsa To sohamsa ccSubject Re: Parivartana à ¤¹à ¤°à ¥‡ à ¤°à ¤¾à ¤® à ¤•à ¥ƒà ¤·à ¥Âà ¤£Dear Ramesh, I hope you dont mind, my thoughts on this, as I have been looking into it for a while now. As I understand, the Lords exchange , hence the rasis remain same but the Lords undergo transformation. Visti has used this concept repeatedly to explain Parivartan Yog. He even goes on to say that if the parivartan is between Lagna and House A, then Lord of House A will act as Lagan lord and Lagan will act as Pak lagan. I hope I got this right. Regards, Sharat - Ramesh.F.Gangaramani sohamsa Cc: pvr Friday, January 12, 2007 4:58 PM ParivartanaSatyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat Dear Visti, Namskar, Can you explain this a bit more please? I recently heard 2 different versions. Sanjayji in Atri lecture appeared to switch the signs keeping the planets in the same house whereas Narasimha in Boston lectures appeared to switch the planets keeping the signs in the same house. Are you using one of the 2 concepts, if so which one? Kind regards Ramesh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 19, 2007 Report Share Posted January 19, 2007 !Om Gurave Namah! Dear Swee ji, Namaskar! Thank you for the response! If I understood it correctly - for example - say Venus is under a shaap in Pisces and Jupiter under shaap in Taurus or Libra. When we do remedies, Theoratically Ju should be remedied since it is the most benefic. but with Parivartan we remedy Ve. Is this correct undertanding? Also, when you say "benefic sign" below did you mean house? coz a malefic planet is going to own a "malefic sign" and benefic planet a "benefic sign"(mostly). Thank you for your continued guidance. Warm Regards, Pranav Swee Chan <sweechan wrote: Jaya JagannathaDear Pranav,NamasteBy association, one can be charged by aiding and abetting, isn’t it? So yes. If the malefic is in exchange with a benefic, the malefic will become a better personality and the tamasic residual effect of the malefic can rub off to the benefic. Of course if the benefic has gone to a benefic sign, then except much less residual “contamination”.Taking mine for example by forcusing on the 10th first (and then rasi drishti). There are 2 co-lords. Sani in the 10th has always given me a facination for Temples. I have always visited Temples and have attended every musical drama possible for as long as I can remember. In reading the chart as is, Jupiter (also reading without the exchange) aspects BK Saturn, Rahu and Venus. During various dasas, I have had different Gurus to guide me, including BK Saturn (elder brother) and my own Guru. The contamination of my first guide/Guru can be seen in the rasi drishti of the dual signs. The parivatana of Mercury and Jupiter are in rasi drishti with Rahu.Love,SweeOn 1/18/07 9:06 PM, "sushmagupta51" <sushmagupta51 > wrote: !Om Gurave Namah! Dear Swee ji, Namaskar! In case of parivartan, what happens if one of the benefic planets was shaapit? Does the shaap also transforms?? Warm regards, PranavSwee Chan <sweechan (AT) mac (DOT) com> wrote: Jaya JagannathaDear Sharat and Ramesh,NamasteFocus is firstly always on the lagna lord. In this case it is Venus who has gone to the exalted sign – hence, is “seen” to be exalted and Saturn goes to the 10th. Therefore, Saturn needs some “nursing”.Further, a lagna lord in the 6th falls in line with the dictum of the dimantha yoga being formed.Love,Swee Ta Lagna; Sa in Libra and Ve in Aqua.Due to parivartan; focus goes away from the Kendra and to the 6h, Libra. So Sa behaves like lagnesh and Ve behaves like Saturn in its own sign. Libra becomes paka lagan and has to be strengthened. So 6H, will give results of Ve in its own sign Libra? and S! a give results of 10H Aqua. Is that a logical conclusion? Thanks for your help. SharatSatyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat Dear Swee, namaste May be I didn't put across my doubt clear enough. I take following as given. In case of a parivartana. 1. Planets behave as if they are in own house. 2. the two planets are in sambandha and will give results of this sambandha. The question was related to various other interpretations that go with placement of planets in the! chart. Do we move (hypothetically) the planet to other house or move the rashis? Assuming we do one of the two, in your case since we have the option of moving Saturn to Aquarius in 10H or moving Aquarius to 6H where Saturn is placed. Or is not as clear-cut as that? thanks and regards Ramesh sweechan (AT) mac (DOT) com Sent by: sohamsa 01/18/2007 03:35 AM Please respond tosohamsa To sohamsa ccSubject Re: Parivartana Jaya JagannathaDear Ramesh,NamasteHow is your example a parivatana?SweeOn 1/16/07 8:39 PM, "Ramesh.F.Gangaramani" <Ramesh.F.Gangaramani wrote: Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat Dear Swee, This looks like a new dimension. I would have considered following options; 1. Saturn in 10H in Aquarius and Venus in 6H in Libra, or 2. Saturn in 6H in Aquarius and Venus in 10H in Libra but then neither is in exaltation! I guess i haven't understood your point of view correctly! Best regards Ramesh sweechan (AT) mac (DOT) com Sent by: sohamsa 01/14/2007 02:18 PM Please respond tosohamsa To sohamsa ccSubject Re: Parivartana Jaya JagannathaDear Ramesh,NamasteYes, that is the correct method. This is what I was taught by Sanjay ji in Hyderabad in 2002. Take my chart for example – Taurus lagna with Saturn in Tula (exaltation sign) and lagnesh in Kumbha hence consider my lagna lord to be exalted and Saturn goes to the 10th house.Love,SweeOn 1/14/07 6:56 PM, "Ramesh.F.Gangaramani" <Ramesh.F.Gangaramani wrote: Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat Dear Sharat, I am happy to see your response. I also feel Visti's rejoinder to your mail is very logical. My question however was prompted by a case analysis done by Sanjayji's in his lecture 23. Though parivartana in this case does not involve lagna lord, he has actually analysed the case by shifting rashi's to each other's house. Have you heard this lecture? If not I urge you to do the same. regards Ramesh gidoc (AT) ukfsn (DOT) org Sent by: sohamsa 01/13/2007 02:41 PM Please respond tosohamsa To sohamsa ccSubject Re: Parivartana हरे राम कृषà¥à¤£Dear Ramesh, I hope you dont mind, my thoughts on this, as I have been looking into it for a while now. As I understand, the Lords exchange , hence the rasis remain same but the Lords undergo transformation. Visti has used this concept repeatedly to explain Parivartan Yog. He even goes on to say that if the parivartan is between Lagna and House A, then Lord of House A will act as Lagan lord and Lagan will act as Pak lagan. I hope I got this right. Regards, Sharat - Ramesh.F.Gangaramani sohamsa Cc: pvr (AT) charter (DOT) net Friday, January 12, 2007 4:58 PM ParivartanaSatyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat Dear Visti, Namskar, Can you explain this a bit more please? I recently heard 2 different versions. Sanjayji in Atri lecture appeared to switch the signs keeping the planets in the same house whereas Narasimha in Boston lectures appeared to switch the planets keeping the signs in the same house. Are you using one of the 2 concepts, if so which one? Kind regards Ramesh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 29, 2007 Report Share Posted January 29, 2007 |JAI SRIRAM| Dear Visti, In your chart Lagna lord and 10th lord has parivartna,so Sun has become LL as it is in lagna.But in Lagnesh lecture,you mentioned that Mars and Ketu are LL and Ketu is dominating because of KAY.Which is your LL Sun or Ketu or Mars. Thanks, S.VenkateshSharat <gidoc wrote:  हरे राम कृषà¥à¤£ Dear Visti, Namaskar Parivartan has often raised many queries but you have put them together very nicely. I will summarise for benefit of others: Parivartan between say Lagna( Lorded by Planet A ) and 5H (Lorded by Planet B); makes Lagna as Pak Lagna as well, as Planet B acts as Lagnesh.The foucs of parivartan is thus Lagna. The rasi signs do not change but the lords exchange instead. Thus the effect of the houses will be as per their rasi signs along with the transformed lords. If any of the these planets(A/B) are also in conjunction/yuti; they will not exchange any effects with them. Hence only Parivartan Yog will dominate in that case. Thanks for your guidance as always. Sharat - Visti Larsen sohamsa Saturday, January 13, 2007 10:58 PMRe: Parivartanaहरे राम कृषà¥à¤£à¥¥Dear Sharat, NamaskarThe Lagna stays the same at all times. We cannot say that your birth is different from the rising sign, as this would be the effect of Maya on the lagna. No, its only the Lagnesh who can be affected by Maya, and so also only the change of lagnesh/paka lagna can occur from a parivartana between lagnesh and another graha.Hence, If a parivartana occurs between say Lagna and fifth house, then the Lagna is still the lagna, but the sign in the lagna has now become the paka lagna as well.Yours sincerely, -- Visti Larsenemail: visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) comFor consultations and articles visit: http://srigaruda.com Sharat wrote:  हरे राम कृषà¥à¤£Dear Ramesh,I hope you dont mind, my thoughts on this, as I have been looking into it for a while now.As I understand, the Lords exchange , hence the rasis remain same but the Lords undergo transformation. Visti has used this concept repeatedly to explain Parivartan Yog. He even goes on to say that if the parivartan is between Lagna and House A, then Lord of House A will act as Lagan lord and Lagan will act as Pak lagan. I hope I got this right.Regards,Sharat- Ramesh.F.Gangaramani sohamsa Cc: pvr (AT) charter (DOT) net Friday, January 12, 2007 4:58 PM ParivartanaSatyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat Dear Visti, Namskar, Can you explain this a bit more please? I recently heard 2 different versions. Sanjayji in Atri lecture appeared to switch the signs keeping the planets in the same house whereas Narasimha in Boston lectures appeared to switch the planets keeping the signs in the same house. Are you using one of the 2 concepts, if so which one? Kind regards Ramesh Food fight? Enjoy some healthy debatein the Answers Food Drink Q&A. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 30, 2007 Report Share Posted January 30, 2007 Untitled Document हरे राम कृष्ण॥ Dear Venkatesh, Namaskar I will admit that sometimes I get confused about parivartana myself. The reason is: In truth the paka lagna, etc, doesn't change. But, some other graha is doing the job of that graha. Example: In the case of the parivartana between Sun and Mars in my chart, the Sun is doing the word of Mars. So if i wanto strengthen my Mars as lagnesha, i should worship the Sun. Doing so makes me work very hard due to that 1st-10th exchange However, Ketu is the dominant lagnesh which has thrown me headfirst into astrology, meditation, etc. Ketu is no doubt dominating the entire chart and Sanjay has on many occasions seen this Ketu of mine in action too often and sometimes in very negative ways, to my regret and with great room for improvement. Yours sincerely, -- Visti Larsen email: visti For consultations, free mp3's and articles visit: http://srigaruda.com Venkatesh S wrote: |JAI SRIRAM| Dear Visti, In your chart Lagna lord and 10th lord has parivartna,so Sun has become LL as it is in lagna.But in Lagnesh lecture,you mentioned that Mars and Ketu are LL and Ketu is dominating because of KAY.Which is your LL Sun or Ketu or Mars. Thanks, S.Venkatesh Sharat <gidoc (AT) ukfsn (DOT) org> wrote:  हरे राम कृषà¥à¤£ Dear Visti, Namaskar Parivartan has often raised many queries but you have put them together very nicely. I will summarise for benefit of others: Parivartan between say Lagna( Lorded by Planet A ) and 5H (Lorded by Planet B); makes Lagna as Pak Lagna as well, as Planet B acts as Lagnesh.The foucs of parivartan is thus Lagna. The rasi signs do not change but the lords exchange instead. Thus the effect of the houses will be as per their rasi signs along with the transformed lords. If any of the these planets(A/B) are also in conjunction/yuti; they will not exchange any effects with them. Hence only Parivartan Yog will dominate in that case. Thanks for your guidance as always. Sharat - Visti Larsen sohamsa Saturday, January 13, 2007 10:58 PM Re: Parivartana हरे राम कृषà¥à¤£à¥¥ Dear Sharat, Namaskar The Lagna stays the same at all times. We cannot say that your birth is different from the rising sign, as this would be the effect of Maya on the lagna. No, its only the Lagnesh who can be affected by Maya, and so also only the change of lagnesh/paka lagna can occur from a parivartana between lagnesh and another graha. Hence, If a parivartana occurs between say Lagna and fifth house, then the Lagna is still the lagna, but the sign in the lagna has now become the paka lagna as well. Yours sincerely, -- Visti Larsen email: visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) com For consultations and articles visit: http://srigaruda.com Sharat wrote:  हरे राम कृषà¥à¤£ Dear Ramesh, I hope you dont mind, my thoughts on this, as I have been looking into it for a while now. As I understand, the Lords exchange , hence the rasis remain same but the Lords undergo transformation. Visti has used this concept repeatedly to explain Parivartan Yog. He even goes on to say that if the parivartan is between Lagna and House A, then Lord of House A will act as Lagan lord and Lagan will act as Pak lagan. I hope I got this right. Regards, Sharat - Ramesh.F.Gangaramani sohamsa Cc: pvr (AT) charter (DOT) net Friday, January 12, 2007 4:58 PM Parivartana Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat Dear Visti, Namskar, Can you explain this a bit more please? I recently heard 2 different versions. Sanjayji in Atri lecture appeared to switch the signs keeping the planets in the same house whereas Narasimha in Boston lectures appeared to switch the planets keeping the signs in the same house. Are you using one of the 2 concepts, if so which one? Kind regards Ramesh Food fight? Enjoy some healthy debate in the Answers Food Drink Q & A. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 30, 2007 Report Share Posted January 30, 2007 |JAI SRIRAM| Dear Visti, Fro Atri class and some other discussions earlier in this group,i think Sun can act as an LL.But from your reply just earlier it is Ketu.Please clarify my confusion. Thanks, S.Venkatesh Visti Larsen <visti wrote: हरे राम कृष्ण॥ Dear Venkatesh, NamaskarI will admit that sometimes I get confused about parivartana myself.The reason is: In truth the paka lagna, etc, doesn't change. But, some other graha is doing the job of that graha. Example: In the case of the parivartana between Sun and Mars in my chart, the Sun is doing the word of Mars. So if i wanto strengthen my Mars as lagnesha, i should worship the Sun. Doing so makes me work very hard due to that 1st-10th exchange However, Ketu is the dominant lagnesh which has thrown me headfirst into astrology, meditation, etc. Ketu is no doubt dominating the entire chart and Sanjay has on many occasions seen this Ketu of mine in action too often and sometimes in very negative ways, to my regret and with great room for improvement. Yours sincerely, -- Visti Larsenemail: visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) comFor consultations, free mp3's and articles visit: http://srigaruda.com Venkatesh S wrote: |JAI SRIRAM| Dear Visti, In your chart Lagna lord and 10th lord has parivartna,so Sun has become LL as it is in lagna.But in Lagnesh lecture,you mentioned that Mars and Ketu are LL and Ketu is dominating because of KAY.Which is your LL Sun or Ketu or Mars. Thanks, S.VenkateshSharat <gidoc (AT) ukfsn (DOT) org> wrote:  हरे राम कृषà¥à¤£ Dear Visti, Namaskar Parivartan has often raised many queries but you have put them together very nicely. I will summarise for benefit of others: Parivartan between say Lagna( Lorded by Planet A ) and 5H (Lorded by Planet B); makes Lagna as Pak Lagna as well, as Planet B acts as Lagnesh.The foucs of parivartan is thus Lagna. The rasi signs do not change but the lords exchange instead. Thus the effect of the houses will be as per their rasi signs along with the transformed lords. If any of the these planets(A/B) are also in conjunction/yuti; they will not exchange any effects with them. Hence only Parivartan Yog will dominate in that case. Thanks for your guidance as always. Sharat - Visti Larsen sohamsa Saturday, January 13, 2007 10:58 PMRe: Parivartanaहरे राम कृषà¥à¤£à¥¥Dear Sharat, NamaskarThe Lagna stays the same at all times. We cannot say that your birth is different from the rising sign, as this would be the effect of Maya on the lagna. No, its only the Lagnesh who can be affected by Maya, and so also only the change of lagnesh/paka lagna can occur from a parivartana between lagnesh and another graha.Hence, If a parivartana occurs between say Lagna and fifth house, then the Lagna is still the lagna, but the sign in the lagna has now become the paka lagna as well.Yours sincerely, -- Visti Larsenemail: visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) comFor consultations and articles visit: http://srigaruda.com Sharat wrote:  हरे राम कृषà¥à¤£Dear Ramesh,I hope you dont mind, my thoughts on this, as I have been looking into it for a while now.As I understand, the Lords exchange , hence the rasis remain same but the Lords undergo transformation. Visti has used this concept repeatedly to explain Parivartan Yog. He even goes on to say that if the parivartan is between Lagna and House A, then Lord of House A will act as Lagan lord and Lagan will act as Pak lagan. I hope I got this right.Regards,Sharat- Ramesh.F.Gangaramani sohamsa Cc: pvr (AT) charter (DOT) net Friday, January 12, 2007 4:58 PM ParivartanaSatyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat Dear Visti, Namskar, Can you explain this a bit more please? I recently heard 2 different versions. Sanjayji in Atri lecture appeared to switch the signs keeping the planets in the same house whereas Narasimha in Boston lectures appeared to switch the planets keeping the signs in the same house. Are you using one of the 2 concepts, if so which one? Kind regards Ramesh Food fight? Enjoy some healthy debatein the Answers Food Drink Q & A. Get your own web address. Have a HUGE year through Small Business. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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