Guest guest Posted January 12, 2007 Report Share Posted January 12, 2007 Jaya Jagannatha Dear Manoj, Namaste Your gemstone was not flawless and besides, how did you wear it? It was not set. Think you should retract some flawed statements. Love, Swee On 1/11/07 7:11 PM, " Manoj Sharma " <manojsharma662000 wrote: Dear Visti, just thought would share this small experience with you. In my case, with Taurus ascendant, Saturn, the ninth and 10 lord is in 11th. I am confining my discussion only to gemstone. Saturn is not conjunct with any other planet. I thought Blue Sapphire would suit me. I also got it corsschecked with Ms. Swee, and she also corroborated this fact. About two months before, I got a beautiful stone Blue Sapphire from Ms Swee's contact in the US. The stone was of such a high quality that I can't even describe it. However, within two hours of wearing it, I started feeling very misreable. There was a very good job offer in the offing. I had cleared all the interviews and the employer had told me to standby for the offer letter. You may find it hard to believe it, within three hours of wearing the stone, I got a telephone call from my prospective employer informing that for the time being they have shelved off the decision to hire for the said position. Usually, me and wife donot have even an argument. That evening, I had a fierece argument with my wife. I was so petrified that I removed the stone. It was as if that Saturn was placed malefic in my chart and I further strengthened it by wearing Blue Sapphire. I just don't get this... This time there was no problem with the quality of the stone. And my date of birth is recorded very very accurately (as accurately as it is humanly possible). I just don't understand this man!!!! The only plausible explanation is that we may come out with all sorts of theories, but if there is no divine will, nothing works...and I say this with lot of conviction! Thanks for your time and space.... Manoj Sharma --- Visti Larsen <visti <visti%40srigaruda.com> > wrote: > > ??? ??? ?????? > > Dear Sishya, Namaskar > I cannot comment on the statements by Anuj-ji and > Swee-ji regarding > gemstone replacement based on yoga. But, then again > i don't know which > scriptures they are referring to. I would appreciate > a reproduction of > the Saptarishi Nadi to gain a better understanding > of prescription of > remedial measures. > Instead I will here supply the knowledge that I have > attained from the > Parampara, and hope that its of use to you and the > Gurus for their research. > *o Sambandha o* > > Sanjayji has clearly stated in his Atri lecture on > the ninth house, that > parivartana or yuti with the ninth lord can make it > necessary to change > the gemstone advise. > > Example: If ninth lord is in the sixth house and > sixth lord is in the > ninth house, thus forming a parivartana yoga, then > advise the gemstone > of the sixth lord to get the auspicious results of > the ninth bhava. > > Example 2: If Rahu is joined the ninth lord, then it > will damage the > bhagya and the person must wear a yellow sapphire. > > So yuti and parivartana matter. They are the two > most important types of > Yoga among the fourt types of yoga mentioned by > Parasara. The four are > in order of importance: > 1. Parivartana. > 2. Yuti (conjunction) > 3. samdristi (mutual dristi) > 4. dristi parivartana (dristi on each others signs). > > The first two are more permanent and require > lifelong remedy, whilst the > last two are only prominent during the dasa of the > planets. > > Example 3: If Saturn is in the third house, then its > dristi on the ninth > house will give problems during Saturns dasa/antara. > Hence, wearing a > blue sapphire on the left hand is advised during > this dasa to mitigise > the negative effects of Saturn. > > *o Yuti of many planets o* > If three or more planets combine in a sign, then it > is a source of > confusion as to which planet will give which > effects. The parampara > teaches an easy scheme to reckon this. > > The most benefic and most malefic planets will give > each others effects. > This is based on the planets natural > maleficence/beneficence and the > order of these are: > Jupiter > Venus > Moon > Mercury > Sun > Ketu > Mars > Rahu > Saturn. > > * Some consider Ketu more malefic than Mars, and > similarly some consider > Rahu more malefic than Saturn. > > Example 4: If a Yoga of Jupiter, Venus, Sun and > Saturn is there in a > sign we consider the following to give each others > effects: Jupiter and > Saturn are the most benefic and malefic planets > respectively and thus > strengthening Jupiter will give Saturns effects and > vice versa. > Similarly Sun and Venus are next in line, and will > also give each others > effects. > > What if an uneven (3, 5 or 7) amount of planets > join? > > Example 5: If a yoga of Mercury, Sun and Mars is > there in one house we > consider the following: Mercury and Mars are the > most benefic and > malefic grahas respectively, and will thus give each > others effects. Sun > is the one left out and will give his own effects > due to this. This was > the example of PV Narasimha Rao, in which case a Red > Coral was advised > to cause the Bhadra Mahapurusha Yoga (yuti Mercury > in Gemini - tenth > house) to rise in his life. > > *o Endnote o > *Whenever advising a gemstone, do advise the > puja/mantra to imbibe the > gem with the particular devata you wanto strengthen > in the person, and > always prefer the most pure mantras, such as the > Rk's that Parasara > advises. > > I.e. for a Ruby advise the Aakrishnenaa... mantra > from the Rg Veda. > Similarly for a Yellow Sapphire advise the Rk > Brhaspate Ati Yadaryo > Arhaat... mantra. Make an exercise in finding all > these mantras and > collecting them to advise for those who wish to wear > the gemstones. > > This will not only ensure fortune following from the > wearing of the > gemstone, but will also protect the native from any > faults accompanying > the wearing of the gem. > > Finally, keep in mind the main yogas in the chart > before advising a > gemstone/remedy. If you give a gemstone to a person > and miss the remedy > to a curse or major kala sarpa/amrita yoga, then the > gemstone is useless > and the client will only be a source of agony for > the astrologer. > This will take time to learn, and doing so you will > become great > astrologers. > > Yours sincerely, > > -- > Visti Larsen > email: visti <visti%40srigaruda.com> > <visti <visti%40srigaruda.com> > > For consultations and articles visit: > http://srigaruda.com > <http://srigaruda.com> > > > Sharat wrote: > > > > Om Gurave Namah > > > > Dear Sundeep > > > > Sanjay jis rule as I seem to understand is: > > 1. First consider the planet in the bhava > > 2. If no planet then strongest aspect by rasi > drishti > > 3. If none, then take the Lord of the Bhava > > > > There does seem to be an opinion that Lord of the > Bhava be considered > > over the Rasi drishti, as you rightly point out. > Perhaps one needs to > > examine the D20 chart to see which is stronger. > > > > I also meant to ask whether you had some > resolution of the query > > regarding Gemstone use when planets are in > conjunction or parivartan. > > > > I did not get any reposne to my query. > > > > Regards > > > > Sharat > > > > > > > > - > > ** vedicastrostudent > <vedicastrostudent <vedicastrostudent%40> > > > *To:* sohamsa <sohamsa%40> > <sohamsa <sohamsa%40> > > > *Sent:* Wednesday, January 10, 2007 8:23 PM > > *Subject:* Re: JAI SRIKRISHNA TO ALL > > > > Dear Soulsadhak, > === message truncated === Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 12, 2007 Report Share Posted January 12, 2007 Namaskar Sweeji, I just kept it in pocket after saying a small prayer to Lord Shani. To my understanding, it appeared to be flawless by naked eye. And I kind of blindly trusted you...i mean if you have referred me to somebody, I was more than sure that I would get a flawless gem. I could not understand the last line that reads " Think you should retract... " . Sweeji I respect you a lot and I am willing to retract any statement you want...but I should know what statement of mine hurt you. Best Regards Manoj --- Swee Chan <sweechan wrote: > > Jaya Jagannatha > > Dear Manoj, > Namaste > > Your gemstone was not flawless and besides, how did > you wear it? It was not > set. > Think you should retract some flawed statements. > > Love, > > Swee > > > On 1/11/07 7:11 PM, " Manoj Sharma " > <manojsharma662000 wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Visti, > > just thought would share this small experience > with > > you. > > > > In my case, with Taurus ascendant, Saturn, the > ninth > > and 10 lord is in 11th. I am confining my > discussion > > only to gemstone. Saturn is not conjunct with any > > other planet. I thought Blue Sapphire would suit > me. I > > also got it corsschecked with Ms. Swee, and she > also > > corroborated this fact. About two months before, I > got > > a beautiful stone Blue Sapphire from Ms Swee's > contact > > in the US. The stone was of such a high quality > that I > > can't even describe it. However, within two hours > of > > wearing it, I started feeling very misreable. > There > > was a very good job offer in the offing. I had > cleared > > all the interviews and the employer had told me to > > standby for the offer letter. You may find it hard > to > > believe it, within three hours of wearing the > stone, I > > got a telephone call from my prospective employer > > informing that for the time being they have > shelved > > off the decision to hire for the said position. > > Usually, me and wife donot have even an argument. > That > > evening, I had a fierece argument with my wife. I > was > > so petrified that I removed the stone. > > It was as if that Saturn was placed malefic in my > > chart and I further strengthened it by wearing > Blue > > Sapphire. I just don't get this... > > This time there was no problem with the quality of > the > > stone. And my date of birth is recorded very very > > accurately (as accurately as it is humanly > possible). > > I just don't understand this man!!!! > > The only plausible explanation is that we may come > out > > with all sorts of theories, but if there is no > divine > > will, nothing works...and I say this with lot of > > conviction! > > Thanks for your time and space.... > > Manoj Sharma > > --- Visti Larsen <visti > <visti%40srigaruda.com> > wrote: > > > >> > > >> > ??? ??? ?????? > >> > > >> > Dear Sishya, Namaskar > >> > I cannot comment on the statements by Anuj-ji > and > >> > Swee-ji regarding > >> > gemstone replacement based on yoga. But, then > again > >> > i don't know which > >> > scriptures they are referring to. I would > appreciate > >> > a reproduction of > >> > the Saptarishi Nadi to gain a better > understanding > >> > of prescription of > >> > remedial measures. > >> > Instead I will here supply the knowledge that I > have > >> > attained from the > >> > Parampara, and hope that its of use to you and > the > >> > Gurus for their research. > >> > *o Sambandha o* > >> > > >> > Sanjayji has clearly stated in his Atri lecture > on > >> > the ninth house, that > >> > parivartana or yuti with the ninth lord can > make it > >> > necessary to change > >> > the gemstone advise. > >> > > >> > Example: If ninth lord is in the sixth house > and > >> > sixth lord is in the > >> > ninth house, thus forming a parivartana yoga, > then > >> > advise the gemstone > >> > of the sixth lord to get the auspicious results > of > >> > the ninth bhava. > >> > > >> > Example 2: If Rahu is joined the ninth lord, > then it > >> > will damage the > >> > bhagya and the person must wear a yellow > sapphire. > >> > > >> > So yuti and parivartana matter. They are the > two > >> > most important types of > >> > Yoga among the fourt types of yoga mentioned by > >> > Parasara. The four are > >> > in order of importance: > >> > 1. Parivartana. > >> > 2. Yuti (conjunction) > >> > 3. samdristi (mutual dristi) > >> > 4. dristi parivartana (dristi on each others > signs). > >> > > >> > The first two are more permanent and require > >> > lifelong remedy, whilst the > >> > last two are only prominent during the dasa of > the > >> > planets. > >> > > >> > Example 3: If Saturn is in the third house, > then its > >> > dristi on the ninth > >> > house will give problems during Saturns > dasa/antara. > >> > Hence, wearing a > >> > blue sapphire on the left hand is advised > during > >> > this dasa to mitigise > >> > the negative effects of Saturn. > >> > > >> > *o Yuti of many planets o* > >> > If three or more planets combine in a sign, > then it > >> > is a source of > >> > confusion as to which planet will give which > >> > effects. The parampara > >> > teaches an easy scheme to reckon this. > >> > > >> > The most benefic and most malefic planets will > give > >> > each others effects. > >> > This is based on the planets natural > >> > maleficence/beneficence and the > >> > order of these are: > >> > Jupiter > >> > Venus > >> > Moon > >> > Mercury > >> > Sun > >> > Ketu > >> > Mars > >> > Rahu > >> > Saturn. > >> > > >> > * Some consider Ketu more malefic than Mars, > and > >> > similarly some consider > >> > Rahu more malefic than Saturn. > >> > > >> > Example 4: If a Yoga of Jupiter, Venus, Sun and > >> > Saturn is there in a > >> > sign we consider the following to give each > others > >> > effects: Jupiter and > >> > Saturn are the most benefic and malefic planets > >> > respectively and thus > >> > strengthening Jupiter will give Saturns effects > and > >> > vice versa. > === message truncated === Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2007 Report Share Posted January 13, 2007 Jaya Jagannatha Dear Manoj, Namaste I think the gemstone was banded hence not classified as flawless. Love, Swee On 1/12/07 4:57 PM, " Manoj Sharma " <manojsharma662000 wrote: Namaskar Sweeji, I just kept it in pocket after saying a small prayer to Lord Shani. To my understanding, it appeared to be flawless by naked eye. And I kind of blindly trusted you...i mean if you have referred me to somebody, I was more than sure that I would get a flawless gem. I could not understand the last line that reads " Think you should retract... " . Sweeji I respect you a lot and I am willing to retract any statement you want...but I should know what statement of mine hurt you. Best Regards Manoj --- Swee Chan <sweechan <sweechan%40mac.com> > wrote: > > Jaya Jagannatha > > Dear Manoj, > Namaste > > Your gemstone was not flawless and besides, how did > you wear it? It was not > set. > Think you should retract some flawed statements. > > Love, > > Swee > > > On 1/11/07 7:11 PM, " Manoj Sharma " > <manojsharma662000 <manojsharma662000%40> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Visti, > > just thought would share this small experience > with > > you. > > > > In my case, with Taurus ascendant, Saturn, the > ninth > > and 10 lord is in 11th. I am confining my > discussion > > only to gemstone. Saturn is not conjunct with any > > other planet. I thought Blue Sapphire would suit > me. I > > also got it corsschecked with Ms. Swee, and she > also > > corroborated this fact. About two months before, I > got > > a beautiful stone Blue Sapphire from Ms Swee's > contact > > in the US. The stone was of such a high quality > that I > > can't even describe it. However, within two hours > of > > wearing it, I started feeling very misreable. > There > > was a very good job offer in the offing. I had > cleared > > all the interviews and the employer had told me to > > standby for the offer letter. You may find it hard > to > > believe it, within three hours of wearing the > stone, I > > got a telephone call from my prospective employer > > informing that for the time being they have > shelved > > off the decision to hire for the said position. > > Usually, me and wife donot have even an argument. > That > > evening, I had a fierece argument with my wife. I > was > > so petrified that I removed the stone. > > It was as if that Saturn was placed malefic in my > > chart and I further strengthened it by wearing > Blue > > Sapphire. I just don't get this... > > This time there was no problem with the quality of > the > > stone. And my date of birth is recorded very very > > accurately (as accurately as it is humanly > possible). > > I just don't understand this man!!!! > > The only plausible explanation is that we may come > out > > with all sorts of theories, but if there is no > divine > > will, nothing works...and I say this with lot of > > conviction! > > Thanks for your time and space.... > > Manoj Sharma > > --- Visti Larsen <visti <visti%40srigaruda.com> > <visti%40srigaruda.com> > wrote: > > > >> > > >> > ??? ??? ?????? > >> > > >> > Dear Sishya, Namaskar > >> > I cannot comment on the statements by Anuj-ji > and > >> > Swee-ji regarding > >> > gemstone replacement based on yoga. But, then > again > >> > i don't know which > >> > scriptures they are referring to. I would > appreciate > >> > a reproduction of > >> > the Saptarishi Nadi to gain a better > understanding > >> > of prescription of > >> > remedial measures. > >> > Instead I will here supply the knowledge that I > have > >> > attained from the > >> > Parampara, and hope that its of use to you and > the > >> > Gurus for their research. > >> > *o Sambandha o* > >> > > >> > Sanjayji has clearly stated in his Atri lecture > on > >> > the ninth house, that > >> > parivartana or yuti with the ninth lord can > make it > >> > necessary to change > >> > the gemstone advise. > >> > > >> > Example: If ninth lord is in the sixth house > and > >> > sixth lord is in the > >> > ninth house, thus forming a parivartana yoga, > then > >> > advise the gemstone > >> > of the sixth lord to get the auspicious results > of > >> > the ninth bhava. > >> > > >> > Example 2: If Rahu is joined the ninth lord, > then it > >> > will damage the > >> > bhagya and the person must wear a yellow > sapphire. > >> > > >> > So yuti and parivartana matter. They are the > two > >> > most important types of > >> > Yoga among the fourt types of yoga mentioned by > >> > Parasara. The four are > >> > in order of importance: > >> > 1. Parivartana. > >> > 2. Yuti (conjunction) > >> > 3. samdristi (mutual dristi) > >> > 4. dristi parivartana (dristi on each others > signs). > >> > > >> > The first two are more permanent and require > >> > lifelong remedy, whilst the > >> > last two are only prominent during the dasa of > the > >> > planets. > >> > > >> > Example 3: If Saturn is in the third house, > then its > >> > dristi on the ninth > >> > house will give problems during Saturns > dasa/antara. > >> > Hence, wearing a > >> > blue sapphire on the left hand is advised > during > >> > this dasa to mitigise > >> > the negative effects of Saturn. > >> > > >> > *o Yuti of many planets o* > >> > If three or more planets combine in a sign, > then it > >> > is a source of > >> > confusion as to which planet will give which > >> > effects. The parampara > >> > teaches an easy scheme to reckon this. > >> > > >> > The most benefic and most malefic planets will > give > >> > each others effects. > >> > This is based on the planets natural > >> > maleficence/beneficence and the > >> > order of these are: > >> > Jupiter > >> > Venus > >> > Moon > >> > Mercury > >> > Sun > >> > Ketu > >> > Mars > >> > Rahu > >> > Saturn. > >> > > >> > * Some consider Ketu more malefic than Mars, > and > >> > similarly some consider > >> > Rahu more malefic than Saturn. > >> > > >> > Example 4: If a Yoga of Jupiter, Venus, Sun and > >> > Saturn is there in a > >> > sign we consider the following to give each > others > >> > effects: Jupiter and > >> > Saturn are the most benefic and malefic planets > >> > respectively and thus > >> > strengthening Jupiter will give Saturns effects > and > >> > vice versa. > === message truncated === Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2007 Report Share Posted January 13, 2007 Hi Swee, Thanks for your reply. So what do you advice... --- Swee Chan <sweechan wrote: > > > Jaya Jagannatha > > Dear Manoj, > Namaste > > I think the gemstone was banded hence not classified > as flawless. > > Love, > > Swee > > > > On 1/12/07 4:57 PM, " Manoj Sharma " > <manojsharma662000 wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Namaskar Sweeji, > > I just kept it in pocket after saying a small > prayer > > to Lord Shani. To my understanding, it appeared to > be > > flawless by naked eye. And I kind of blindly > trusted > > you...i mean if you have referred me to somebody, > I > > was more than sure that I would get a flawless > gem. > > > > I could not understand the last line that reads > > " Think you should retract... " . Sweeji I respect > you a > > lot and I am willing to retract any statement you > > want...but I should know what statement of mine > hurt > > you. > > Best Regards > > Manoj > > --- Swee Chan <sweechan > <sweechan%40mac.com> > wrote: > > > >> > > >> > Jaya Jagannatha > >> > > >> > Dear Manoj, > >> > Namaste > >> > > >> > Your gemstone was not flawless and besides, how > did > >> > you wear it? It was not > >> > set. > >> > Think you should retract some flawed > statements. > >> > > >> > Love, > >> > > >> > Swee > >> > > >> > > >> > On 1/11/07 7:11 PM, " Manoj Sharma " > >> > <manojsharma662000 > <manojsharma662000%40> > > >> wrote: > >> > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > Dear Visti, > >>> > > just thought would share this small > experience > >> > with > >>> > > you. > >>> > > > >>> > > In my case, with Taurus ascendant, Saturn, > the > >> > ninth > >>> > > and 10 lord is in 11th. I am confining my > >> > discussion > >>> > > only to gemstone. Saturn is not conjunct > with any > >>> > > other planet. I thought Blue Sapphire would > suit > >> > me. I > >>> > > also got it corsschecked with Ms. Swee, and > she > >> > also > >>> > > corroborated this fact. About two months > before, I > >> > got > >>> > > a beautiful stone Blue Sapphire from Ms > Swee's > >> > contact > >>> > > in the US. The stone was of such a high > quality > >> > that I > >>> > > can't even describe it. However, within two > hours > >> > of > >>> > > wearing it, I started feeling very > misreable. > >> > There > >>> > > was a very good job offer in the offing. I > had > >> > cleared > >>> > > all the interviews and the employer had told > me to > >>> > > standby for the offer letter. You may find > it hard > >> > to > >>> > > believe it, within three hours of wearing > the > >> > stone, I > >>> > > got a telephone call from my prospective > employer > >>> > > informing that for the time being they have > >> > shelved > >>> > > off the decision to hire for the said > position. > >>> > > Usually, me and wife donot have even an > argument. > >> > That > >>> > > evening, I had a fierece argument with my > wife. I > >> > was > >>> > > so petrified that I removed the stone. > >>> > > It was as if that Saturn was placed malefic > in my > >>> > > chart and I further strengthened it by > wearing > >> > Blue > >>> > > Sapphire. I just don't get this... > >>> > > This time there was no problem with the > quality of > >> > the > >>> > > stone. And my date of birth is recorded very > very > >>> > > accurately (as accurately as it is humanly > >> > possible). > >>> > > I just don't understand this man!!!! > >>> > > The only plausible explanation is that we > may come > >> > out > >>> > > with all sorts of theories, but if there is > no > >> > divine > >>> > > will, nothing works...and I say this with > lot of > >>> > > conviction! > >>> > > Thanks for your time and space.... > >>> > > Manoj Sharma > >>> > > --- Visti Larsen <visti > <visti%40srigaruda.com> > >> > <visti%40srigaruda.com> > wrote: > >>> > > > >>>>> > >> > > >>>>> > >> > ??? ??? ?????? > >>>>> > >> > > >>>>> > >> > Dear Sishya, Namaskar > >>>>> > >> > I cannot comment on the statements by > Anuj-ji > >> > and > >>>>> > >> > Swee-ji regarding > >>>>> > >> > gemstone replacement based on yoga. > But, then > >> > again > >>>>> > >> > i don't know which > >>>>> > >> > scriptures they are referring to. I > would > >> > appreciate > >>>>> > >> > a reproduction of > >>>>> > >> > the Saptarishi Nadi to gain a better > >> > understanding > >>>>> > >> > of prescription of > >>>>> > >> > remedial measures. > >>>>> > >> > Instead I will here supply the > knowledge that I > >> > have > >>>>> > >> > attained from the > >>>>> > >> > Parampara, and hope that its of use to > you and > >> > the > >>>>> > >> > Gurus for their research. > >>>>> > >> > *o Sambandha o* > >>>>> > >> > > >>>>> > >> > Sanjayji has clearly stated in his Atri > lecture > >> > on > >>>>> > >> > the ninth house, that > >>>>> > >> > parivartana or yuti with the ninth lord > can > >> > make it > >>>>> > >> > necessary to change > >>>>> > >> > the gemstone advise. > >>>>> > >> > > === message truncated === Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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