(ratna) JAI SRIKRISHNA TO ALL

January 11, 2007

Dear Visti,

just thought would share this small experience with

you.

In my case, with Taurus ascendant, Saturn, the ninth

and 10 lord is in 11th. I am confining my discussion

only to gemstone. Saturn is not conjunct with any

other planet. I thought Blue Sapphire would suit me. I

also got it corsschecked with Ms. Swee, and she also

corroborated this fact. About two months before, I got

a beautiful stone Blue Sapphire from Ms Swee's contact

in the US. The stone was of such a high quality that I

can't even describe it. However, within two hours of

wearing it, I started feeling very misreable. There

was a very good job offer in the offing. I had cleared

all the interviews and the employer had told me to

standby for the offer letter. You may find it hard to

believe it, within three hours of wearing the stone, I

got a telephone call from my prospective employer

informing that for the time being they have shelved

off the decision to hire for the said position.

Usually, me and wife donot have even an argument. That

evening, I had a fierece argument with my wife. I was

so petrified that I removed the stone.

It was as if that Saturn was placed malefic in my

chart and I further strengthened it by wearing Blue

Sapphire. I just don't get this...

This time there was no problem with the quality of the

stone. And my date of birth is recorded very very

accurately (as accurately as it is humanly possible).

I just don't understand this man!!!!

The only plausible explanation is that we may come out

with all sorts of theories, but if there is no divine

will, nothing works...and I say this with lot of

conviction!

Thanks for your time and space....

Manoj Sharma

--- Visti Larsen <visti wrote:

>

> ??? ??? ??????

>

> Dear Sishya, Namaskar

> I cannot comment on the statements by Anuj-ji and

> Swee-ji regarding

> gemstone replacement based on yoga. But, then again

> i don't know which

> scriptures they are referring to. I would appreciate

> a reproduction of

> the Saptarishi Nadi to gain a better understanding

> of prescription of

> remedial measures.

> Instead I will here supply the knowledge that I have

> attained from the

> Parampara, and hope that its of use to you and the

> Gurus for their research.

> *o Sambandha o*

>

> Sanjayji has clearly stated in his Atri lecture on

> the ninth house, that

> parivartana or yuti with the ninth lord can make it

> necessary to change

> the gemstone advise.

>

> Example: If ninth lord is in the sixth house and

> sixth lord is in the

> ninth house, thus forming a parivartana yoga, then

> advise the gemstone

> of the sixth lord to get the auspicious results of

> the ninth bhava.

>

> Example 2: If Rahu is joined the ninth lord, then it

> will damage the

> bhagya and the person must wear a yellow sapphire.

>

> So yuti and parivartana matter. They are the two

> most important types of

> Yoga among the fourt types of yoga mentioned by

> Parasara. The four are

> in order of importance:

> 1. Parivartana.

> 2. Yuti (conjunction)

> 3. samdristi (mutual dristi)

> 4. dristi parivartana (dristi on each others signs).

>

> The first two are more permanent and require

> lifelong remedy, whilst the

> last two are only prominent during the dasa of the

> planets.

>

> Example 3: If Saturn is in the third house, then its

> dristi on the ninth

> house will give problems during Saturns dasa/antara.

> Hence, wearing a

> blue sapphire on the left hand is advised during

> this dasa to mitigise

> the negative effects of Saturn.

>

> *o Yuti of many planets o*

> If three or more planets combine in a sign, then it

> is a source of

> confusion as to which planet will give which

> effects. The parampara

> teaches an easy scheme to reckon this.

>

> The most benefic and most malefic planets will give

> each others effects.

> This is based on the planets natural

> maleficence/beneficence and the

> order of these are:

> Jupiter

> Venus

> Moon

> Mercury

> Sun

> Ketu

> Mars

> Rahu

> Saturn.

>

> * Some consider Ketu more malefic than Mars, and

> similarly some consider

> Rahu more malefic than Saturn.

>

> Example 4: If a Yoga of Jupiter, Venus, Sun and

> Saturn is there in a

> sign we consider the following to give each others

> effects: Jupiter and

> Saturn are the most benefic and malefic planets

> respectively and thus

> strengthening Jupiter will give Saturns effects and

> vice versa.

> Similarly Sun and Venus are next in line, and will

> also give each others

> effects.

>

> What if an uneven (3, 5 or 7) amount of planets

> join?

>

> Example 5: If a yoga of Mercury, Sun and Mars is

> there in one house we

> consider the following: Mercury and Mars are the

> most benefic and

> malefic grahas respectively, and will thus give each

> others effects. Sun

> is the one left out and will give his own effects

> due to this. This was

> the example of PV Narasimha Rao, in which case a Red

> Coral was advised

> to cause the Bhadra Mahapurusha Yoga (yuti Mercury

> in Gemini - tenth

> house) to rise in his life.

>

> *o Endnote o

> *Whenever advising a gemstone, do advise the

> puja/mantra to imbibe the

> gem with the particular devata you wanto strengthen

> in the person, and

> always prefer the most pure mantras, such as the

> Rk's that Parasara

> advises.

>

> I.e. for a Ruby advise the Aakrishnenaa... mantra

> from the Rg Veda.

> Similarly for a Yellow Sapphire advise the Rk

> Brhaspate Ati Yadaryo

> Arhaat... mantra. Make an exercise in finding all

> these mantras and

> collecting them to advise for those who wish to wear

> the gemstones.

>

> This will not only ensure fortune following from the

> wearing of the

> gemstone, but will also protect the native from any

> faults accompanying

> the wearing of the gem.

>

> Finally, keep in mind the main yogas in the chart

> before advising a

> gemstone/remedy. If you give a gemstone to a person

> and miss the remedy

> to a curse or major kala sarpa/amrita yoga, then the

> gemstone is useless

> and the client will only be a source of agony for

> the astrologer.

> This will take time to learn, and doing so you will

> become great

> astrologers.

>

> Yours sincerely,

>

> --

> Visti Larsen

> email: visti

> <visti

> For consultations and articles visit:

> http://srigaruda.com

> <http://srigaruda.com>

>

> Sharat wrote:

> >

> > Om Gurave Namah

> >

> > Dear Sundeep

> >

> > Sanjay jis rule as I seem to understand is:

> > 1. First consider the planet in the bhava

> > 2. If no planet then strongest aspect by rasi

> drishti

> > 3. If none, then take the Lord of the Bhava

> >

> > There does seem to be an opinion that Lord of the

> Bhava be considered

> > over the Rasi drishti, as you rightly point out.

> Perhaps one needs to

> > examine the D20 chart to see which is stronger.

> >

> > I also meant to ask whether you had some

> resolution of the query

> > regarding Gemstone use when planets are in

> conjunction or parivartan.

> >

> > I did not get any reposne to my query.

> >

> > Regards

> >

> > Sharat

> >

> > -

> > ** vedicastrostudent

> <vedicastrostudent

> > *To:* sohamsa

> <sohamsa >

> > *Sent:* Wednesday, January 10, 2007 8:23 PM

> > *Subject:* Re: JAI SRIKRISHNA TO ALL

> >

> > Dear Soulsadhak,

>

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January 12, 2007

Dear Soulsadhak and Manoj,

I too was totally befuddled when I saw Manoj's chart. His 11th

house actually has a whopping 43 points in ashtakavarga. So his

Saturn is actually 6 bindus in a 43 point house which is simply

outstanding and rare. Saturn is unaspected, except Rasi dristi by

Jupiter, and is DK (Darakaraka) by Chara karakatwa.

The way I explain it (rationalize?) in my mind, I may be wrong, is

that Manoj's dharma has to be very strong. And that is exactly what

he said (he is vegetarian, never misses his prayers, never has

arguments with spouse etc etc). My guess is that when such a strong

Saturn is present, it does not actually deny the fruit of the house

it rules, but makes sure the fruits are reaped in true Saturnian

fashion i.e. persistence, austerity, penance etc. Gemstones would be

something like a sudden and quick fix, not in line with Saturn's

nature.. It would be interesting to know more about Manoj's

dad/relationship with dad? I would guess he would be a very

independent and successful man.

Anyway, thats just my 2c view, not supported by classics, just by

seeing a few charts here and there..

Sundeep

sohamsa , " Soul Sadhak " <soulsadhak wrote:

>

> Hi Manoj,

>

> echoing what u said: I just don't understand this man!!!!

> > > The only plausible explanation is that we may come

> > out > > with all sorts of theories, but if there is no

> > divine > > will, nothing works...

>

> the problem is most of us r too gross to percieve the Divine's

> Will ... even when it stands glaring in our faces! and are " we "

not

> supposed to align 'ourSelf' with the Divine Will rather than

begging

> the Divine to sort the junk we collect in our karmic baggage?

>

> why do we say " Thy Will Be Done On Earth as It is in Heaven " and

> then run around trying to fulfill our ego needs and medicate our

> bruises...

>

> even as a doc i realised people do not invest in health - rather

> start scurrying only when they fall sick or become diseased!

>

> and i second Visti when he says:

> If you give a gemstone to a person and miss the remedy to a curse

or

> major kala sarpa/amrita yoga, then the gemstone is useless and the

> client will only be a source of agony for the astrologer.

>

> tamaso maa jyotirgamaya

> SS

>

January 12, 2007

Jaya Jagannatha

Dear Visti,

Namaste

Some quick observations:

Chart 1: Set to LMT for local timings. Things cannot fall apart at the onset of Saturn. Saturn gives its fullest results in the third drekkana and never at the onset. Note Jupiter in October 1987 was transiting in the 8th house and Rahu was on the ascendant with Gulika and GL – the most malefic as you say and exalted to do its most malefic work on his image. The cure for badhakesh Saturn in the 9th as we know is to offer prayers. But Sun, the natural atma who is most likely to show natural inclination towards bhakti, is debilitated and conjoins his lagna lord, hence it is his inherent nature.

Chart 2:

[This should preferably be unconjoined, and rightly so the conjunction of seventh lord Saturn led to an unfortunate first marriage, and also later a lot of jealousy surrounding him in his job, due to Saturn lording the sixth and aspecting the tenth.]

Aspect on 10th is incorrect. He has co-lords for the 7th house Saturn and Rahu – jealousy and failed marriage; an ego trip from Rahu, no less.. In this case, Jupiter, lord of HL and Moon, both in dual signs and Jupiter’s aspect on the lagna lord itself to bring RY. So what’s with the non prescription of YS?

Love,

Swee

On 1/11/07 8:22 PM, " Visti Larsen " <visti wrote:

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Dear Manoj, Namaskar

I must disagree with your opinion. You will see why in the following paragraphs. You may believe what you want.

When Saturn associates with the ninth housepeople begin loosing faith in mantras, remedies, etc. Even when Saturn lords the same. For this reason i NEVER advise a blue sapphire for a Taurus lagna UNLESS Saturn is placed in a dusthana like the twelfth house. In the latter cases Vipareet Raja Yoga occurs instead.

Example 1: Male born November 12th, 1934 at 18:19 (85e50: 20n30, 5:30 East of GMT)

The native has Taurus Lagna with Saturn in the ninth house. It is joined Moon and Saturn and placed in the eleventh house from Arudha lagna. He led a successful career in mining steel: mining is rahu and steel/irons is saturn whilst Moon joined them also shows some gemstones may have been there.

Some deem Rahu as the most malefic, and thus Rahu will give results of the Moon and vice versa. So Saturn will give its own results.

When Saturn Mahadasa arrived in 1987 the persons career fell apart and the family was overwhelmed by courtcases. The native lost his home, his livelihood and finally most of his wealth due to this. On top of this he blames all remedies for not working, yet refuses to take advise when given to him.

So, is Saturn auspicious in ninth? No!

The same applies to Leo lagna, where Mars being a malefic can turn very auspicious if placed in the twelfth house. An example is given.

Example 2: Male born April 21st, 1948 at 14:01 (34e48: 32n10, 2hrs East of GMT).

This person has Leo lagna and Mars in the twelfth house debilitated. Most would deem this as highly inauspicious, but this native has had ALL his major rajayoga abroad.

This should preferably be unconjoined, and rightly so the conjunction of seventh lord Saturn led to an unfortunate first marriage, and also later a lot of jealousy surrounding him in his job, due to Saturn lording the sixth and aspecting the tenth.

Mars and Saturn are joined, and thus Saturn will give the results of Mars during his Dasa. During Saturn dasa he had his highest level of Raja yoga in Israel and later in Finland, but the jealousy also followed and he had to leave both jobs after his boss had put him in a problematic situation. Saturn aspects the tenth house, and he found himself in a problematic situation after his job changes. He has not followed much of the vedic remedies given to him, yet he has his own beliefs in this regard. A useful remedy is to wear a blue sapphire on the left hand ring finger to remedy this.

These are just two examples. I hope this helps to understand your situation better. I recommend listening to the Atri class mp3 regarding the ninth house to learn more.

Yours sincerely,

January 12, 2007

Hare Rama Krsna Dear Vistiji and Sweeji,

1. Would ever we look into conjunctions in the varga charts for understanding the dasha and prescribing gemstones. The role reversal , will it always be seen from rashi charts? Do we ever see star lords ?

Could u highlight for my coming vimshottri dasha, mercury -saturn dasha . My mercury is conjoined mars. and saturn conjoined rahu.i am virgo lagna. so would this mean i wil be essentially looking at mercury ( mars)-saturn(rahu)?

Altough in my chart i should be seeing dwi-saptati , but for better understanding i ask this.

Swati NAMAH SHIVAYA

On 1/12/07, Swee Chan

<sweechan wrote:

Jaya Jagannatha

Dear Visti,

Namaste

Some quick observations:

Chart 1: Set to LMT for local timings. Things cannot fall apart at the onset of Saturn. Saturn gives its fullest results in the third drekkana and never at the onset. Note Jupiter in October 1987 was transiting in the 8th house and Rahu was on the ascendant with Gulika and GL â€“ the most malefic as you say and exalted to do its most malefic work on his image. The cure for badhakesh Saturn in the 9th as we know is to offer prayers. But Sun, the natural atma who is most likely to show natural inclination towards bhakti, is debilitated and conjoins his lagna lord, hence it is his inherent nature.

Chart 2:

[This should preferably be unconjoined, and rightly so the conjunction of seventh lord Saturn led to an unfortunate first marriage, and also later a lot of jealousy surrounding him in his job, due to Saturn lording the sixth and aspecting the tenth.]

Aspect on 10th is incorrect. He has co-lords for the 7th house Saturn and Rahu â€“ jealousy and failed marriage; an ego trip from Rahu, no less.. In this case, Jupiter, lord of HL and Moon, both in dual signs and Jupiter's aspect on the lagna lord itself to bring RY. So what's with the non prescription of YS?

Love,

Swee

On 1/11/07 8:22 PM, " Visti Larsen " <visti wrote:

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Dear Manoj, Namaskar

I must disagree with your opinion. You will see why in the following paragraphs. You may believe what you want.

When Saturn associates with the ninth housepeople begin loosing faith in mantras, remedies, etc. Even when Saturn lords the same. For this reason i NEVER advise a blue sapphire for a Taurus lagna UNLESS Saturn is placed in a dusthana like the twelfth house. In the latter cases Vipareet Raja Yoga occurs instead.

Example 1: Male born November 12th, 1934 at 18:19 (85e50: 20n30, 5:30 East of GMT)

The native has Taurus Lagna with Saturn in the ninth house. It is joined Moon and Saturn and placed in the eleventh house from Arudha lagna. He led a successful career in mining steel: mining is rahu and steel/irons is saturn whilst Moon joined them also shows some gemstones may have been there.

Some deem Rahu as the most malefic, and thus Rahu will give results of the Moon and vice versa. So Saturn will give its own results.

When Saturn Mahadasa arrived in 1987 the persons career fell apart and the family was overwhelmed by courtcases. The native lost his home, his livelihood and finally most of his wealth due to this. On top of this he blames all remedies for not working, yet refuses to take advise when given to him.

So, is Saturn auspicious in ninth? No!

The same applies to Leo lagna, where Mars being a malefic can turn very auspicious if placed in the twelfth house. An example is given.

Example 2: Male born April 21st, 1948 at 14:01 (34e48: 32n10, 2hrs East of GMT).

This person has Leo lagna and Mars in the twelfth house debilitated. Most would deem this as highly inauspicious, but this native has had ALL his major rajayoga abroad.

This should preferably be unconjoined, and rightly so the conjunction of seventh lord Saturn led to an unfortunate first marriage, and also later a lot of jealousy surrounding him in his job, due to Saturn lording the sixth and aspecting the tenth.

Mars and Saturn are joined, and thus Saturn will give the results of Mars during his Dasa. During Saturn dasa he had his highest level of Raja yoga in Israel and later in Finland, but the jealousy also followed and he had to leave both jobs after his boss had put him in a problematic situation. Saturn aspects the tenth house, and he found himself in a problematic situation after his job changes. He has not followed much of the vedic remedies given to him, yet he has his own beliefs in this regard. A useful remedy is to wear a blue sapphire on the left hand ring finger to remedy this.

These are just two examples. I hope this helps to understand your situation better. I recommend listening to the Atri class mp3 regarding the ninth house to learn more.

Yours sincerely,

January 12, 2007

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हरे राम कृष्ण॥

Dear Venkatesh, Namaskar

Scorpio continues to be the lagna. Scorpio will however act as paka

lagna now.

Yours sincerely,

--

Visti Larsen

email: visti

For consultations and articles visit: http://srigaruda.com

Venkatesh S wrote:

JAI SRIRAM

Dear Visti,

If lagna lord has parivartna,then what is the lagna and paka

lagna? For example in your chart in lagna has Sun and in leo Mars.Here

Sun is act as a lagna lord,that means

1.which is the lagna lord Mars or Sun?

2.Which one is the lagna and paka lagna?

Regards,

S.Venkatesh

Visti Larsen <visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) com> wrote:

हरे राम कृष्ण॥

Dear Jim, Namaskar

If there is parivartana, then only apply parivartana.

Yours sincerely,

--

Visti Larsen

email: visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) com

For consultations and articles visit: http://srigaruda.com

vedicastrostudent wrote:

Dear Vistiji,

Thank you very much for the illuminating write up. To echo what

Sharat says, the only doubt that remains is the following case (of

which Sharat's case is one example, my case is another and I'm sure

many other people have very similar cases, so your one reply would

probably help several people):

1) If a graha 1 in House A is in parivartana with graha 2 in House

B, and simultaneously in House A there are graha 3 and graha 4, then

which of the following is true:

Possibility 1 (Apply all rules only ONCE per graha in ORDER):

Due to being the most important rule, parivartana causes graha 1 and

graha 2 to exchange results. Graha 3 and graha 4 exchange results.

Possibility 2: (Apply all rules REPEATEDLY and in ORDER)

Parivartana causes graha 1 and graha 2 to exchange results. However

graha 1 may also end up exchanging results with graha 3 due to

secondary yuti principle. So, graha 2 gives the results of graha 1.

Graha 3 gives the results of graha 2 (because it is taking up graha

1's after-parivartana role). Graha 1 gives the results of graha 3

(because it is taking up graha 3's role). Graha 4 gives its own

results.

There are more possibilities, but the above 2 feel like the most

realistic ones. The question is, which one if any is correct?

Thank you very much,

Sundeep

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Dear Swee, Namaskar

Some answers.

[

Chart 1: Set to LMT for local timings. Things cannot fall apart at the

onset of Saturn. Saturn gives its fullest results in the third drekkana

and never at the onset. Note Jupiter in October 1987 was transiting in

the 8th house and Rahu was on the ascendant with Gulika and GL â€“ the

most malefic as you say and exalted to do its most malefic work on his

image. The cure for badhakesh Saturn in the 9th as we know is to offer

prayers. But Sun, the natural atma who is most likely to show natural

inclination towards bhakti, is debilitated and conjoins his lagna lord,

hence it is his inherent nature. ]

Why did you set the chart to LMT? The time was recorded keeping in

mind the timezone and you should not change the timezone. No matter if

you take the beginning or end of Saturns dasa in this case, he has been

deprived of all these items THROUGHOUT! It was however in the last part

of the dasa where he lost his home, whereas the first part threw him

into legal battles.

As for your specific reference to Saturns effects, do enlighten us

about the effects in the first 2 portions of Saturns dasa.

[

Aspect on 10th is incorrect. He has co-lords for the 7th house Saturn

and Rahu â€“ jealousy and failed marriage; an ego trip from Rahu, no

less.. In this case, Jupiter, lord of HL and Moon, both in dual signs

and Jupiterâ€™s aspect on the lagna lord itself to bring RY. So whatâ€™s

with the non prescription of YS?]

I'm sorry, my mistake. Its having tenth aspect on the ninth house of

bosses and supervisors, and it was through these that he had problems.

Do you mean to say that all Leo Lagnas will have failed marriages?

Right now he has Shani problems, but yes a yellow sapphire should be

worn throughout life.

Yours sincerely,

--

Visti Larsen

email: visti

For consultations and articles visit: http://srigaruda.com

Swee Chan wrote: