(To Visti)ratna and sambandha (Vistiji's Lecture on GemStones- questions

December 28, 2006

Jaya Jagannatha

Dear Anuj,

Namaste

I am not sure why would you disapprove my contacting someone to collect prices, etc. about buying an emerald.

The worth of a gemstone is not decided either by you or me. My views may be different from yours in this regard. I do not seek to change your views.

Thanks and Regards

Bharat (Anuj)

It was not the collection of prices I disapprove of. It was the unreliable information about the emerald from a particular place. On the 2nd point you’ve raised, you are quite wrong in your view. A miner or supplier from the source is the decision maker in prices.

Love,

Swee

December 28, 2006

Namaste Sri Swee

It

was not the collection of prices I disapprove of. It was the unreliable

information about the emerald from a particular place. Not to worry, I shall keep it in mind from now on. I still await Sri Gaurav response to Black Onyx which he said is more rapidly available in the size I want. On the 2nd point

you've raised, you are quite wrong in your view. A miner or supplier

from the source is the decision maker in prices.What I meant was that the astrological worth of the gemstone isn't decided by you and me. It is mother nature's work. We can only experiment to give it a worth. I hope all is clarified.Thanks and RegardsBharat (Anuj)On 12/28/06, Swee Chan <

sweechan wrote:

Jaya Jagannatha

Dear Anuj,

Namaste

I am not sure why would you disapprove my contacting someone to collect prices, etc. about buying an emerald.

The worth of a gemstone is not decided either by you or me. My views may be different from yours in this regard. I do not seek to change your views.

Thanks and Regards

Bharat (Anuj)

It was not the collection of prices I disapprove of. It was the unreliable information about the emerald from a particular place. On the 2nd point you've raised, you are quite wrong in your view. A miner or supplier from the source is the decision maker in prices.

Love,

Swee

December 28, 2006

Jaya Jagannatha

I hope all is clarified.

Thanks and Regards

Bharat (Anuj)

Like ghee, dear Anuj.

Love,

Swee

On 12/28/06 10:45 AM, " Bharat Hindu Astrology " <hinduastrology wrote:

Namaste Sri Swee

It was not the collection of prices I disapprove of. It was the unreliable information about the emerald from a particular place.

Not to worry, I shall keep it in mind from now on. I still await Sri Gaurav response to Black Onyx which he said is more rapidly available in the size I want.

On the 2nd point you've raised, you are quite wrong in your view. A miner or supplier from the source is the decision maker in prices.

What I meant was that the astrological worth of the gemstone isn't decided by you and me. It is mother nature's work. We can only experiment to give it a worth.

I hope all is clarified.

Thanks and Regards

Bharat (Anuj)

On 12/28/06, Swee Chan < sweechan <sweechan > wrote:

Jaya Jagannatha

Dear Anuj,

Namaste

I am not sure why would you disapprove my contacting someone to collect prices, etc. about buying an emerald.

The worth of a gemstone is not decided either by you or me. My views may be different from yours in this regard. I do not seek to change your views.

Thanks and Regards

Bharat (Anuj)

It was not the collection of prices I disapprove of. It was the unreliable information about the emerald from a particular place. On the 2nd point you've raised, you are quite wrong in your view. A miner or supplier from the source is the decision maker in prices.

Love,

Swee

January 9, 2007

Dear Swee-ji,

Thanks very much for your long reply. Lots of food for thought for

me:-) Thank you again,

Sundeep

sohamsa , Swee Chan <sweechan wrote:

>

> Jaya Jagannatha

>

> Dear Sundeep,

> Namaste

>

> Planets in the appropriate drekkanas give their results in full is

realised

> with Jupiter in its exaltation sign in the 2nd drekkana. To further

> understand this, we need to calculate the graha samaya and

hopefully get a

> finer grasp of this.

>

> Jupiter is in Ratna Pariksha and its dispositor is in Bhojana

samaya. To be

>

> Good food is Venus and Sun or especially Mars can keep your weight

in check.

> You have missed the transits of Rahu who hovered in your 2nd

house with

> Saturn and malefic Moon. Rahu would have given its results (good)

+/-

> May/June 2005 until the end of the year. Thereafter, its nature is

to take

> it away - that is the house of dhan.

> In the matter of looking at the 3 malefics in rasi drishti over

the rest of

> the aspected dual signs, you also forgot to assess the natal

planets that

> are placed in those signs. The past year since Nov 2005- Oct 2006

would have

> been most difficult where savings is concerned. The tithis that are

> important for you are ashtami tithis especially Amavasya which I

recommend

> that a believer in the Supreme should offer the Gopal Saharanaam,

said to

> remove all curses. Why not try it, the first one of this solar

year is a few

> days after makara sankranti.

>

> Jupiter is the largest planet and its nature is that the person

has a

> tendency to put on weight. The rasi drishti to your kendras also

protects

> your health - naisargika karaka is the Sun and they are both

friends. Your

> notion that Jupiter has given the weight loss is incorrect. Many

classic say

> that bad diets etc and related diseases are compounded by Saturn

and like

> his counterpart Rahu, both indicate the same (hidden diseases).

Saturn gives

> the emaciated look.

>

> For conveyances including fixed assets, Venus is the 4th house

ruler and its

> malfeasance gets diluted through association with Jupiter. We also

need to

> consider a well placed Moon, whose dispositor is that of Jupiter

and the

> 11th moolatrikona lord. In one stanza in Jyotisharnava Navanitam,

if the 4th

> occupies an angle (which it is not in your case) in conjunction

with the

> 10th lord and Saturn, one will acquire a huge building. Jupiter's

aspect and

> dispositor placed in the 2nd house in a round about way satisfies

this

> condition together with the association of Venus in rasi and

Venus's

> exaltation in the navamsa.

>

> Note that the sudasa of Cancer during AD of Sg and Sc ran

concurrently from

> Au 06 and Sc will last until Apr 2007. To confirm the positive

period, Chara

> Dasa of Cancer began during 29th June 2006 and will end in 2010 -

and this

> is all connected with exalted Jupiter in Simhasana vaiseshikamsa.

>

> Most likely, your distress in the ownership of a house of whom the

karaka is

> Mars. The moola mahadasa Mars in antardasa of Mercury - 5th AUG

2005 - 16TH

> OCT 2006 you can calculate the exact timings from this yourself.

>

> Drig Dasa is currenlty in Capricorn and Saturn shows the initial

> selflessness in you, but the 5th is the house of bhakti of which

the rashi

> drishti on all kendras are empty. So without planets in there,

what can we

> expect? A dithering (retrograde) planet in a playful sign in rashi

drishti

> by malefics will make you the doubting Thomas of the higher Being.

>

> A gemstone or the piece of silver or the pure golden image made

out to

> represent a particular deity is to help us to extirpate His wrath

due to bad

> placements of planets. These exclude trik lords. For those lords,

pray hard

> and hope that you can sail through the havoc they can cause.

>

> There are just to many aspects to look into; you¹ve had more than

a lion

> share and I hope you'll enjoy the rest of your studies.

>

> love,

>

> Swee

>

> On 1/8/07 7:31 AM, " vedicastrostudent " <vedicastrostudent

wrote:

>

> >

> > Dear Swee-ji,

> > Pardon my continued questioning, but I do still have some doubts

> > (inlined)..

> >

> > sohamsa <sohamsa%

40> , Swee Chan

> > <sweechan@> wrote:

> >> >

> >> > Jaya Jagannatha

> >> >

> >> > Dear Sundeep,

> >> > Namaste

> >> >

> >> > Your Jupiter has much dignity in vaiseshikamsa and is also a

> > Yogada and

> >> > takes lion share of the divisional charts. The sub period

> > continues until

> >> > 2009 so why not consider his gemstone? It is in Yuva avashtha

> > which is

> >> > better than Mercury whose avastha is in mrita. Its current

transit

> > is in

> >> > Scorpio, with co-lords Mars and Ketu whom Guru is friends

with. He

> > also

> >> > aspects the 10th and 2nd. Guru is the karaka for wealth

amongst

> > other

> >> > things. Wealth in knowledge, through your children, through

> > ancestors -

> >> > father's fathers and your own father.

> >> > The AV of 10th is 32 and saving grace of Jupiter's points at

7,

> > higher than

> >> > all other planets in your chart.

> >

> > Yes I see all this. So it is clear that you too (like Bharatji)

do

> > NOT to the theory that results are exchanged by

planets in

> > parivartana or conjunction? Because if you recommend a stone for

> > Jupiter, you clearly dont believe it will give the results for

Moon

> > or Venus, because those results would be clearly bad, correct?

> > However, I must say I am a little confused about Jupiter's

results.

> > Since Jupiter antara started in about May 2006, my financial

> > problems immediately jumped into sharp focus. Since late March

2006,

> > something happened to me physically too, I have no idea exactly

> > what, but my energy levels are down to about 50% of what they

used

> > to be (very suddenly) and my food intake has been cut to 1/3rd of

> > what I used to eat (with no weight loss). Its like I aged 20

years

> > in one month (I am only 39). Medical tests say I'm " ok " . All this

> > approximately since Jupiter antara started. Also in Oct 2006,

when

> > Saturn transited over my natal Venus AK, simultaneously: (a) my

> > house went up for sale (b) my dad went into hospital with

multiple

> > infections are fear of septicemia © my wife was on the absolute

> > edge for fear of losing the house (d) job stress continued as

> > always. Miraculously, when Saturn entered Leo suddenly everything

> > improved, I was able to actually increase my loans for a lower

> > payment and keep my house, and my dad recovered. That is where I

am

> > right now, a precarious place, nonetheless somewhat safer. But

all

> > this since Jupiter started - so I want to be sure - do you really

> > think that enhancing Jupiter wont send everything over the edge

one

> > more time?

> >

> >> >

> >> > The agnostic inclination is from your retrograde Mercury in

the

> > 5th.

> >

> > Really - I must say I'm a bit surprised? I thought that my Venus

AK

> > had been fully replaced by Mercury as AK and that was causing me

to

> > be more spiritual rather than less. Wouldnt you agree that if

> > Mercury is the cause of agnosticism in my chart, that Mercury

> > replacing Venus as AK would cause agnosticism to come to the fore

> > rather than go into remission?

> >

> > Eagerly awaiting your valued input,

> >

> > thanks,

> >

> > Sundeep

> >

> >> >

> >> > Love,

> >> >

> >> > Swee

> >> >

> >> > On 1/5/07 11:10 PM, " vedicastrostudent " <vedicastrostudent@>

> > wrote:

> >> >

> >>> > > Dear Sweeji,

> >>> > > My relationship with my mother is ok, but my parents are

in

> > India

> >>> > > while I am in the US. So not a lot of contact, except

regular

> > phone

> >>> > > calls and visits. My mom has had osteoarthiritis and a lot

of

> > pain

> >>> > > from it even before 2002. In mid 2005 she had total knee

> > replacement

> >>> > > surgery and subsequent intense pain until late 2005-early

2006

> > when

> >>> > > the knee replacement's benefits started kicking in.

> >>> > >

> >>> > > However, in general, in terms of relationships, I cant say

I have

> >>> > > had a single trouble free relationship ever since Venus

dasha

> >>> > > started, 11 yrs ago. Its just that the amount of stress in

each

> >>> > > relationship varies. April 02 is significant in the sense

that in

> >>> > > May and August of 02 my wife had 2 miscarriages back to

back and

> >>> > > that was very hard (against the backdrop of regular

stresses). It

> >>> > > coincides with a burst of spirituality and rejection of

> >>> > > atheism/agnosticism in my heart, although I am still

struggling

> > to

> >>> > > find the correct place for spirituality in my life.

> >>> > >

> >>> > > I got onto this topic a few weeks ago (answering your

question of

> >>> > > why I came to this list) because I became interested again

in a

> >>> > > gemstone solution to my various problems. Financial

problems

> > seem to

> >>> > > be the focus these days. Been in a lot of debt since 2001,

and

> >>> > > constantly managing it is very stressful. I was thinking

Moon in

> >>> > > Ghora shastyamsa, 6th lord, with Saturn in 2nd aspected by

Mars,

> >>> > > debilitated in Navamsa was the source, so Vistiji's

original

> > comment

> >>> > > on planet's exchanging results and hence exchanging

gemstones

> > got me

> >>> > > interested in finding a way to use a benefic's influence

somehow

> > to

> >>> > > relieve the problems..

> >>> > > I also have lots of charakaraka replacements, with no

planets in

> >>> > > kendras at all, so quite a big mess overall.

> >>> > >

> >>> > > Anyway, so that's the gist of why I'm here right now..

> >>> > >

> >>> > > Thanks very much for your input..

> >>> > >

> >>> > > Sundeep

> >>> > >

> >>> > > sohamsa <sohamsa%

40> , Swee

> >>> Chan <sweechan@> wrote:

> >>>> > >>

> >>>> > >> Jaya Jagannatha

> >>>> > >>

> >>>> > >> Dear Sundeep,

> >>>> > >> Namaste

> >>>> > >>

> >>>> > >> Mercury is all about communications. Placed in the 5th

and in

> >>> > > retrograde

> >>>> > >> motion means you are npt able to put your feelings

through. Moon

> >>> > > conjoining

> >>>> > >> Saturn would make you significantly more aloof. How was

> >>> > > relationship with

> >>>> > >> your mother? And during this period of your badhakesh

Venus, it

> >>> > > will have

> >>>> > >> begun rearing its full results from April 02. Doesn¹t

this make

> > it

> >>> > > sound

> >>>> > >> like your wife¹s constant reminder is becoming too much

of a

> > nag?

> >>> > > Since I

> >>>> > >> have not followed your discussions so far, can you tell

me what

> >>> > > made you

> >>>> > >> come to this list in the first place? I wonder about

that Moon

> > and

> >>> > > Jupiter

> >>>> > >> in randhra in navamsa more of a concern to me. Time to

offer

> >>> > > ancestral

> >>>> > >> oblations and keep your pockets open ³for a good dip².

> >>>> > >>

> >>>> > >> Love,

> >>>> > >>

> >>>> > >> Swee

> >>>> > >>

> >>>> > >> On 1/4/07 11:04 PM, " vedicastrostudent "

<vedicastrostudent@>

> >>> > > wrote:

> >>>> > >>

> >>>>> > >>>

> >>>>> > >>> Sweeji and Bharatji,

> >>>>> > >>> I am carefully following (or trying to follow) your

> > discussion.

> >>>>> > >>> Sweeji's original observation are absolutely correct -

my

> > wife's

> >>>>> > >>> prime complaint against me is that I dont express

myself :-)

> >>>>> > >>> However, I used to think that was because of the state

of the

> >>> > > Moon

> >>>>> > >>> in my chart. Sweeji seems to conclude it from Mars and

Saturn's

> >>>>> > >>> dristi on Mercury, and Bharatji seems to conclude it

from the

> >>>>> > >>> position of Venus (that would have been my other

guess).

> > However,

> >>>>> > >>> Bharatji's other comment is very intriguing (and

correct) -

> >>> > > " there

> >>>>> > >>> is a barrier between what goes in the mind and what is

> >>> > > expressed " .

> >>>>> > >>>

> >>>>> > >>> So do you both have some kind of agreement, then?

Sweeji's

> >>>>> > >>> observation that Mercury is a functional malefic

bereft of

> >>> > > benefic

> >>>>> > >>> aspects is a bit worrisome. However, I have been

through

> > Mercury

> >>>>> > >>> vimshottari mahadasha and some antaras too - so some

feedback:

> >>>>> > >>> Mercury-Mercury is a bit hazy in my mind (back in the

early

> > 70s),

> >>>>> > >>> but I know it wasnt too great (fears and unhappiness

related to

> >>>>> > >>> school), except in terms of experiencing nature in

Africa as a

> >>>>> > >>> child, which was mind-blowing. Mercury-Sun (back in

India) was

> >>>>> > >>> absolutely stellar - made great strides in education,

generally

> >>>>> > >>> happy. Ketu-Sun in the US was also excellent - did

most of my

> > MS

> >>>>> > >>> work in those few months. Ketu-Mercury in the US was

also

> >>> > > absolutely

> >>>>> > >>> stellar - did most of my PhD work in that one year

(Ketu-Saturn

> >>>>> > >>> right before it was terrible for my mind, by

comparison, right

> >>>>> > >>> before Ketu-Mercury). Venus-Sun was again very good -

made a

> >>> > > mark in

> >>>>> > >>> my profession.

> >>>>> > >>>

> >>>>> > >>> So on the whole, I think have had generally good

experiences in

> >>>>> > >>> Mercury/Sun antaras..

> >>>>> > >>>

> >>>>> > >>> Thanks for your continued interest,

> >>>>> > >>>

> >>>>> > >>> Sundeep

> >>>>> > >>>

> >>>>> > >>> sohamsa <sohamsa%

40>

> >>>>> <sohamsa%

> >>> > > 40> , " Bharat

> >>>>> > >>> Hindu Astrology "

> >>>>> > >>> <hinduastrology@> wrote:

> >>>>>>> > >>>>>

> >>>>>>> > >>>>> Namaste Sri Swee

> >>>>>>> > >>>>>

> >>>>>>> > >>>>> Mooltrikona lordship is always more important, if

the lord is

> >>> > > not

> >>>>> > >>> located in

> >>>>>>> > >>>>> the 2nd house that it owns. Out of the 5th house

and 8th

> >>> > > house,

> >>>>> > >>> 8th house is

> >>>>>>> > >>>>> more malefic than the 5th. Here:

> >>>>>>> > >>>>> 1. Dagdha Rasi is in 8th - Positive

> >>>>>>> > >>>>> 2. Dagdha Rasi is in the 5th - Negative. But lord

of Dagdha

> >>> > > Rasi

> >>>>> > >>> in 5th so

> >>>>>>> > >>>>> positive.

> >>>>>>> > >>>>> 3. Yuti of Yogi-Avayogi in 5th house - Positive

> >>>>>>> > >>>>> 4. Yuti of Yogi-Avayogi in Dagdha Rasi - mixed

results

> >>>>>>> > >>>>> 5. Avayogi is the lagna lord - negative

> >>>>>>> > >>>>> 6. Avayogi in Duplicate Yogi's nakshatra - mixed

results

> >>>>>>> > >>>>>

> >>>>>>> > >>>>> Mercury does not have graha drishti of malefics.

Budha-Aditya

> >>> > > yoga

> >>>>>>> > >>>>> enlightens the 5th house. The harm that Mars does

is also

> >>>>> > >>> controlled through

> >>>>>>> > >>>>> Mercury in this chart. The dasha lord is in

Mercury's

> >>> > > nakshatra.

> >>>>>>> > >>>>>

> >>>>>>> > >>>>> Purely on gemstones remedies, I think Emerald is a

fine

> > choice

> >>>>> > >>> with Ruby.

> >>>>>>> > >>>>> Other remedies for Mars and Saturn should be done

but we'd

> > not

> >>>>> > >>> discuss them

> >>>>>>> > >>>>> for now.

> >>>>>>> > >>>>>

> >>>>>>> > >>>>> Expression to wife is likely to improve after

wearing an

> >>> > > Emerald.

> >>>>> > >>> Venus in

> >>>>>>> > >>>>> the 6th usually gives issues with all kinds of

expression.

> >>> > > There

> >>>>> > >>> is a

> >>>>>>> > >>>>> barrier between what goes in the mind and what is

expressed.

> >>> > > Not

> >>>>> > >>> going into

> >>>>>>> > >>>>> that now, I still think Emerald and Ruby combo is

nice.

> >>>>>>> > >>>>>

> >>>>>>> > >>>>> If he were here in Delhi, I'd give him my spare

emerald and

> >>> > > ruby

> >>>>> > >>> to try on

> >>>>>>> > >>>>> for a couple of days, if he wanted to check the

results.

> >>>>>>> > >>>>>

> >>>>>>> > >>>>> Thanks and Regards

> >>>>>>> > >>>>> Bharat

> >>>>>>> > >>>>>

> >>>>>>> > >>>>> On 1/4/07, Swee Chan <sweechan@> wrote:

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Jaya Jagannatha

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Dear Bharat,

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Namaste

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Another sloka from the same chapter on the 5th

House:

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> *sutasya nAshaH kathitotra tatj~naiH

subhairadR^iShTe

> >>> > > sutabhe

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> sutesho||114||

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> *

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> One well versed say that the 5th house and its

lord should

> >>> > > be

> >>>>> > >>> bereft of

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> benefic aspects for this loss.

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> In the same vein from the continuation of the

first sloka

> >>> > > as

> >>>>> > >>> given,

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Mercury is the *moolatrikona *lord of the 8th

conjoins

> >>> > > lord of

> >>>>> > >>> the 6th

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> (diseases, enemies etc) and this same Mercury

is in rashi

> >>>>> > >>> drishti with two

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> other malefics, Mars and Saturn. Mercury does

not get

> >>> > > beneficial

> >>>>> > >>> aspects

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> from Jupiter or Venus the natural benefics.

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Besides bhakti and progeny, I am sure Sundeep

finds it

> >>> > > hard to

> >>>>> > >>> express his

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> real feelings to his wife and children.

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> This is how I was taught in the Iyer method:

Iyer also

> >>> > > takes

> >>>>> > >>> into account

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> of the moolatrikona stance of a planet and its

no

> >>> > > different from

> >>>>> > >>> any other

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> classics. His point is that a malefic placed

in a malefic

> >>> > > house

> >>>>> > >>> or in dagdha

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> rasi bodes well. This is also mentioned in the

same book

> >>> > > and the

> >>>>> > >>> idea is

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> based in VRY. The 5-9 yoga is considered to be

a malefic

> >>> > > yoga

> >>>>> > >>> and will give

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> anything but beneficial. Mercury besides being

a functional

> >>>>> > >>> malefic is also

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> a natural malefic because of its conjunction

with the Sun.

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Except for the Sun and Moon, all other planets

(not

> >>> > > including

> >>>>> > >>> Rahu-Ketu)

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> preside over two signs. One is the moolatrina

which we

> >>>>> > >>> understand is the

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> " office " and the other is the planet's own

sign which we

> >>>>> > >>> understand as its

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> own " home " . This basic understanding has

already been

> >>> > > elaborated

> >>>>> > >>> on as above

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> (and below).

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Love,

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Swee

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> On 1/4/07 11:33 AM, " Bharat Hindu Astrology "

> >>> > > <hinduastrology@>

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> wrote:

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Namaste Sri Swee

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Of all the combinations given for grief and of

death, do

> >>> > > they

> >>>>> > >>> come to

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> pass? No.

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Secondly, 8th lord effects of Mercury are

greatly reduced

> >>> > > since

> >>>>> > >>> it is in

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> the 5th house and in its own sign. The greater

good

> >>> > > capacity of

> >>>>> > >>> Mercury

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> becomes evident. I have already explained

about yogi and

> >>> > > dagdha

> >>>>> > >>> rasi.

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Mercury is also the lord of the nakshatra of

the lagna

> >>> > > lord.

> >>>>> > >>> This greatly

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> increases its life giving properties than life

taking ones.

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Thanks and Regards

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Bharat

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> On 1/4/07, *Swee Chan* <sweechan@> wrote:

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Jaya Jagannatha

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Dear Bharat,

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Namaste

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> The dialogue between Shiva and Parvati from

Jyotishanava

> >>>>> > >>> Navanitam Ch 2

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> sloka 1

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> *kArakagrahasaMyukto bhAvassklpaphalapradaH|

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> kArakagraharAshisthaH pApastatphalanAshaH||1||

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> *

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> The house that is occupied by a cencerned

significator will

> >>>>> > >>> yield limited

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> results.

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> If there is a malefic planet, the indications

concerning

> >>> > > that

> >>>>> > >>> house owned

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> by its dispositor will be destroyed.

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Implying that a malefic will destroy the

karakatwa effects

> >>> > > of its

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> dispositor.

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> To understand what is meant by (functional)

malefics, the

> >>> > > next

> >>>>> > >>> sloka is

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> given:

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> *yeyegrahA dharmapabudbhapAbhyAmyuktAshca

> >>>>> > >>> dR^iSTAshcashubhapradAsyaH|

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> sndhreshvarAri vyayapairyutAshceccokaprado

> >>> > > mArakanAyakeShu||2

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> *

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Planets that are related to the lords of the

9th and the

> >>> > > 5th

> >>>>> > >>> houses either

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> by aspect or conjunction will prove auspicious

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Grief and death will be the result if planets

are

> >>> > > conjoined with

> >>>>> > >>> the lords

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> of the 8th, 6th and 12th houses.

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Love,

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Swee

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> On 1/4/07 10:04 AM, " Bharat Hindu Astrology "

> >>> > > <hinduastrology@

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> <http://gmail.com> <http://gmail.com> > wrote:

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Namaste Sri Sundeep

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Responses below in Blue:

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> 1) When you say Emerald is the right stone,

are you taking

> >>> > > into

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> account the fact that Emerald would give the

results of

> >>> > > the Sun,

> >>>>> > >>> due

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> to Mercury's conjuction with the Sun in my

chart?

> >>> > > Similarly,

> >>>>> > >>> would

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Ruby give the results of Mercury?

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> No, I am not. Mercury has its own nature and

it does not

> >>>>> > >>> exchange it. Two

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> grahas can work for each other but do not

change their

> >>> > > inherent

> >>>>> > >>> nature.

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Mercury would give its own results. Sun its

own.

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> 2) In general, you seem to also be saying that

wearing a

> >>> > > gem for

> >>>>> > >>> the

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> lord of a house which is a maraka house for

some relation

> >>>>> > >>> (father,

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> mother, children, siblings etc) will not bring

about any

> >>> > > negative

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> karma for them. If this is true, then say a

person has huge

> >>>>> > >>> problems

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> with his wife, and wears a gem to alleviate

the problem.

> >>> > > Lets

> >>>>> > >>> say it

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> does alleviate the problem - then from the

wife's point of

> >>> > > view,

> >>>>> > >>> she

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> was going through some bad karma, and then it

suddenly

> >>> > > stopped.

> >>>>> > >>> How

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> would you explain this - since you say that

wearing a gem

> >>> > > cannot

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> affect other people's karma. I'm specifically

interested

> >>> > > in this

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> because in my case, the 5th house gem would

automatically

> >>> > > be the

> >>>>> > >>> 2nd

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> from the 4th i.e. maraka for the mother.

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Given a similar logic one should not wear the

lagna lord's

> >>>>> > >>> gemstone since

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> it is 12th for family and markesh for wife.

The chart is of

> >>>>> > >>> oneself and not

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> of others. Others have their own charts. When

we give a

> >>> > > remedy

> >>>>> > >>> or a gemstone

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> to alleviate problems with wife or so, it is

not to mould

> >>> > > the

> >>>>> > >>> wife but to

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> seek protection from forces causing harm Or to

bring

> >>> > > internal

> >>>>> > >>> change such

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> that certain reactiveness, non-acceptance,

etc. is

> >>> > > countered,

> >>>>> > >>> etc.. That is

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> why we match charts for matchmaking too - such

that two

> >>> > > person

> >>>>> > >>> combine in

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> their natural energies towards positivity and

prosperity.

> >>> > > If

> >>>>> > >>> only one chart

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> was to dictate everything, then, no need for

matching

> >>> > > charts

> >>>>> > >>> either. Many

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> such examples can be given. Therefore, 5th Lord

> >>> > > strengthening is

> >>>>> > >>> not for

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> causing harm to your mother but to strengthen

dharma in

> >>> > > you.

> >>>>> > >>> Your mother's

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> chart will dictate what gemstone is harmful

for her to

> >>> > > wear.

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> I hope it is clear.

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Thanks and Regards

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Bharat

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> On 1/4/07, *vedicastrostudent* <

vedicastrostudent@

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> <http://> <http://>

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> <vedicastrostudent@>

<vedicastrostudent@> >

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> wrote:

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Dear Bharatji,

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> A very happy new year to you and all others

who are

> >>> > > reading this

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> post. Thanks very much for the explanation of

your

> >>>>> > >>> recommendations.

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> I have two additional questions and would be

very grateful

> >>> > > if you

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> could respond.

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> 1) When you say Emerald is the right stone,

are you taking

> >>> > > into

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> account the fact that Emerald would give the

results of

> >>> > > the Sun,

> >>>>> > >>> due

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> to Mercury's conjuction with the Sun in my

chart?

> >>> > > Similarly,

> >>>>> > >>> would

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Ruby give the results of Mercury?

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> 2) In general, you seem to also be saying that

wearing a

> >>> > > gem for

> >>>>> > >>> the

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> lord of a house which is a maraka house for

some relation

> >>>>> > >>> (father,

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> mother, children, siblings etc) will not bring

about any

> >>> > > negative

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> karma for them. If this is true, then say a

person has huge

> >>>>> > >>> problems

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> with his wife, and wears a gem to alleviate

the problem.

> >>> > > Lets

> >>>>> > >>> say it

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> does alleviate the problem - then from the

wife's point of

> >>> > > view,

> >>>>> > >>> she

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> was going through some bad karma, and then it

suddenly

> >>> > > stopped.

> >>>>> > >>> How

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> would you explain this - since you say that

wearing a gem

> >>> > > cannot

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> affect other people's karma. I'm specifically

interested

> >>> > > in this

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> because in my case, the 5th house gem would

automatically

> >>> > > be the

> >>>>> > >>> 2nd

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> from the 4th i.e. maraka for the mother.

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Thanks

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Sundeep

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> sohamsa

> >>>>>>>>> <sohamsa%40> <sohamsa%

> >>> > > 40>

> >>>>>>> > >>>>> <sohamsa%

> >>>>> > >>> 40><sohamsa%40>

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> <sohamsa%40> <sohamsa%

> >>>>> > >>> 40> , " Bharat

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Hindu Astrology "

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> <hinduastrology@> wrote:

> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Namaste Sri Sundeep

> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> A few important things: Each person's

destiny is

> >>> > > separate.

> >>>>> > >>> Their

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> seemingly

> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> intermingling nature is because the Lord

programs it in

> >>> > > that

> >>>>> > >>> way.

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Periods of

> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> sorrow and despair for family members are

programmed

> >>> > > with

> >>>>> > >>> sickness

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> of one

> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> member. Though the destiny seem to join,

they are

> >>> > > apart. The

> >>>>> > >>> proof

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> comes

> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> from the unattached, who are not affected

or hardly

> >>> > > affected in

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> crisis,

> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> etc...

> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Keeping the above in mind, your wearing of

a red thread

> >>> > > must

> >>>>> > >>> have

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> coincided

> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> with your father's ill health. To be sure,

it is

> >>> > > essential to

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> check what the

> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> havan was about and whether

> >> >

> >

>

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