(To Visti)ratna and sambandha (Vistiji's Lecture on GemStones- questions

January 4, 2007

!Om Gurave Namah!Dear Swee ji, Namaskar You quoted the following: yeyegrahA dharmapabudbhapAbhy AmyuktAshca dR^iSTAshcashubhapr adAsyaH|sndhreshvarAri vyayapairyutAshcecc okaprado mArakanAyakeShu| |2 Planets that are related to the lords of the 9th and the 5th houses either by aspect or conjunction will prove auspicious. Grief and death will be the result if planets are conjoined with the lords of the 8th, 6th and 12th houses. Since all planets own two house, what if one planet owns 9 & 12 (Aries Asc - Jupiter) Is there another shloka that further refines the results? Warm Regards,PranavSwee Chan <sweechan wrote: Jaya JagannathaDear Bharat,NamasteAnother sloka from the same chapter on the 5th House:sutasya nAshaH kathitotra tatj~naiH subhairadR^iShTe sutabhe sutesho||114||One well versed say that the 5th house and its lord should be bereft of benefic aspects for this loss.In the same vein from the continuation of the first sloka as given, Mercury is the moolatrikona lord of the 8th conjoins lord of the 6th (diseases, enemies etc) and this same Mercury is in rashi drishti with two other malefics,

Mars and Saturn. Mercury does not get beneficial aspects from Jupiter or Venus the natural benefics.Besides bhakti and progeny, I am sure Sundeep finds it hard to express his real feelings to his wife and children. This is how I was taught in the Iyer method: Iyer also takes into account of the moolatrikona stance of a planet and its no different from any other classics. His point is that a malefic placed in a malefic house or in dagdha rasi bodes well. This is also mentioned in the same book and the idea is based in VRY. The 5-9 yoga is considered to be a malefic yoga and will give anything but beneficial. Mercury besides being a functional malefic is also a natural malefic because of its conjunction with the Sun.Except for the Sun and Moon, all other planets (not including Rahu-Ketu) preside over two signs. One is the moolatrina which we understand is the “office” and the other is the planet’s own sign which we understand as its own “home”. This basic

understanding has already been elaborated on as above (and below).Love,SweeOn 1/4/07 11:33 AM, "Bharat Hindu Astrology" <hinduastrology > wrote: Namaste Sri SweeOf all the combinations given for grief and of death, do they come to pass? No. Secondly, 8th lord effects of Mercury are greatly reduced since it is in the 5th house and in its own sign. The greater good capacity of Mercury becomes evident. I have already explained about yogi and dagdha rasi. Mercury is also the lord of the nakshatra of the lagna lord. This greatly increases its life giving properties than life taking ones.Thanks and RegardsBharatOn 1/4/07, Swee Chan <sweechan (AT) mac (DOT) com> wrote: Jaya JagannathaDear Bharat,NamasteThe dialogue between Shiva and Parvati from Jyotishanava Navanitam Ch 2 sloka 1kArakagrahasaMyukto bhAvassklpaphalapradaH|kArakagraharAshisthaH pApastatphalanAshaH||1||The house that is occupied by a cencerned significator will yield limited results.If there is a malefic planet, the indications concerning that house owned by its dispositor will be destroyed.Implying that a malefic will destroy the karakatwa effects of its dispositor.To understand what is meant by (functional) malefics, the next sloka is given:yeyegrahA dharmapabudbhapAbhyAmyuktAshca dR^iSTAshcashubhapradAsyaH|sndhreshvarAri vyayapairyutAshceccokaprado mArakanAyakeShu||2Planets that are related to the lords of the 9th and the 5th houses either by aspect or conjunction will prove

auspiciousGrief and death will be the result if planets are conjoined with the lords of the 8th, 6th and 12th houses.Love,SweeOn 1/4/07 10:04 AM, "Bharat Hindu Astrology" <hinduastrology <http://gmail.com> > wrote: Namaste Sri SundeepResponses below in Blue:1) When you say Emerald is the right stone, are you taking into account the fact that Emerald would give the results of the Sun, due to Mercury's conjuction with the Sun in my chart? Similarly, would Ruby give the results of Mercury?No, I am not. Mercury has its own nature and it does not exchange it. Two grahas can work for each other but do not change their inherent nature. Mercury would give its own results. Sun its own. 2) In general, you seem to

also be saying that wearing a gem for the lord of a house which is a maraka house for some relation (father, mother, children, siblings etc) will not bring about any negative karma for them. If this is true, then say a person has huge problems with his wife, and wears a gem to alleviate the problem. Lets say it does alleviate the problem - then from the wife's point of view, she was going through some bad karma, and then it suddenly stopped. How would you explain this - since you say that wearing a gem cannot affect other people's karma. I'm specifically interested in this because in my case, the 5th house gem would automatically be the 2nd from the 4th i.e. maraka for the mother.Given a similar logic one should not wear the lagna lord's gemstone since it is 12th for family and markesh for wife. The chart is of oneself and not of others. Others have their own charts. When we give a remedy or a gemstone to alleviate problems with

wife or so, it is not to mould the wife but to seek protection from forces causing harm Or to bring internal change such that certain reactiveness, non-acceptance, etc. is countered, etc.. That is why we match charts for matchmaking too - such that two person combine in their natural energies towards positivity and prosperity. If only one chart was to dictate everything, then, no need for matching charts either. Many such examples can be given. Therefore, 5th Lord strengthening is not for causing harm to your mother but to strengthen dharma in you. Your mother's chart will dictate what gemstone is harmful for her to wear. I hope it is clear. Thanks and RegardsBharatOn 1/4/07, vedicastrostudent < vedicastrostudent <http://> <vedicastrostudent > > wrote:

Dear Bharatji, A very happy new year to you and all others who are reading this post. Thanks very much for the explanation of your recommendations. I have two additional questions and would be very grateful if you could respond.1) When you say Emerald is the right stone, are you taking into account the fact that Emerald would give the results of the Sun, due to Mercury's conjuction with the Sun in my chart? Similarly, would Ruby give the results of Mercury?2) In general, you seem to also be saying that wearing a gem for the lord of a house which is a maraka house for some relation (father, mother, children, siblings etc) will not bring about any negative karma for them. If this is true, then say a person has huge problems with his wife, and wears a gem to alleviate the problem. Lets say it does

alleviate the problem - then from the wife's point of view, she was going through some bad karma, and then it suddenly stopped. How would you explain this - since you say that wearing a gem cannot affect other people's karma. I'm specifically interested in this because in my case, the 5th house gem would automatically be the 2nd from the 4th i.e. maraka for the mother.ThanksSundeepsohamsa <sohamsa%40> <sohamsa%40> , "Bharat Hindu Astrology" <hinduastrology wrote:>> Namaste Sri Sundeep> > A few important things: Each person's destiny is separate. Their seemingly> intermingling nature is because the Lord programs it in that way. Periods of> sorrow and

despair for family members are programmed with sickness of one> member. Though the destiny seem to join, they are apart. The proof comes> from the unattached, who are not affected or hardly affected in crisis,> etc...> > Keeping the above in mind, your wearing of a red thread must have coincided> with your father's ill health. To be sure, it is essential to check what the> havan was about and whether the pundit performed it properly.> > In your chart, rotate the chart to keep 9th house as lagna. Saturn is> afflicted by Mars. Mars is one of the maraka for 9th house of Father. Saturn> is the lord of the 4th (heart). Saturn is in the house of sickness (6th> house for father). Jupiter the lord of 6th aspects the 4th house. Venus, the> lagna lord, protects it. Saturn-Mars mutual aspect can cause blood pressure> problems especially as Moon

joins it. This can come to you via heredity> route as Moon is your 6th lord and it is with the lagna lord in a markesh> sthana.> > Saturn is an avayogi, placed in 2nd house. Its stone is to be avoided. Mars,> is causing a vipreet raja yoga being the 3rd lord in 8th (dusthana in> dusthana as per Sri Iyer) but we already know its harm on the lagna lord. It> is important to note that 3rd lord in 3rd, 6th in 6th, 8th in 8th and 12th> in 12th are pure yogas. They do not cause problems. The other vipreet raja> yogas come with "side effects". (3rd in 8th will bring side effects). So no> point strengthening Mars with Red coral.> > Dagdha Rasi Lord is in Dagdha Rasi. Moreover Virgo is in the 8th as a dagdha> Rasi. This is good as it reduces debt and enemies or long term problems.> Mercury is in Jupiter's nakshatra and its guna is unspoilt.

Mercury removes> the problems caused on Sun by being in Rahu's nakshatra. Therefore, Emerald> becomes a must. Venus, the yogakaraka is in Mercury's nakshatra and it is> best the nakshatra lord is strengthened especially because the above is> true.> > Yogi Sun and Duplicate Yogi Mercury combine in the 5th house which is a> great yoga. Sun's good effects get diminished by being in the dagdha rasi,> where Mercury rescues it again. Duality will be fought and won over through> careful and quick analysis - if you know what I mean.> > 10th lord cannot be given strength. Therefore, give strength to 10th from> 10th and its depositor. Emerald again. (This is logic is true only if the> said stone is helpful otherwise too).> > So wearing a Ruby and Emerald is likely to be of help. Do not wear a Ruby> without wearing an Emerald

first.> > I welcome your thoughts on it. Best wishes for the New Year> > Thanks and Regards> Bharat> > > > > > > On 12/28/06, vedicastrostudent <vedicastrostudent wrote:> >> > Dear Bharatji,> >> > sohamsa <sohamsa%40> <sohamsa%40> <sohamsa%40 <http://40> <http://40> >, "Bharat Hindu > > Astrology"> > <hinduastrology@> wrote:> > >> > > Namaste Sri Sundeep> > >> >

> I am intruding to your post to Sri Visti.> >> > No problem at all, I value your input> >> > >> > > Emerald and Ruby combination shall suit you. Do not wear a Ruby> > alone but in> > > combination with an Emerald. Emerald looks like the key stone for> > your> > > chart. Please follow proper rules in buying and wearing gemstones.> > I shall> > > mail them to you once you are keen on wearing them.> >> > I intuitively agree with what you say - I have long noticed that Sun> > and Mercury seem to be good for me especially in terms of learning> > and spirituality, but I would like to understand your logic a little> > better. I feel strongly that a lot of problems center around the> > Moon, so how would these gems solve these problems? Isnt the idea to> >

enhance powerful benefics to counter the effect of weaknesses in the> > chart? In this case, Sun and Mercury dont seem to have anything> > other than rasi dristi to Moon (in D-1).> >> > Also, I do have one apprehension. I remember that once when I went> > to India (I live in the US) my mother had some kind of havan> > (homam?) done for my general well being, and I ended up wearing a> > red thread on my right wrist. The immediate result (in my mind) was> > that my dad seemed to keep getting in some trouble or the other.> > First he fell down some stairs (he was 75 at the time). Then he fell> > very sick and immediately after recovering he immediately had go in> > for prostate surgery. He recovered from that and came to the US and> > very soon again fell very sick. All the while I was wearing this red> > thread, and my

subconscious was repeatedly presenting me with dreams> > of a dangerous red snake. Eventually he started having heart> > problems (he has had 2 heart attacks in the past) and I finally had> > a dream of this red snake pursuing me and suddenly turning into a> > red thread that tightly bound me up from head to toe. I still didnt> > take the hint. Next morning I got up and for some reason some dirty> > water drain in the house overflowed and my hands and the red thread> > got soiled while cleaning up the area, so I had to cut it. My father> > virtually immediately recovered and was problem free for at least a> > year after that..> >> > Net result is - I somehow correlated this red thread and ceremony> > with the Sun, I now forget the reasoning. Additionally, I remember> > that during the same period I also had some

deeply spiritual dreams> > which repeatedly made me ask myself who I really am. Those dreams> > also stopped after cutting the red thread.> >> > So I am wary of "red" after that, even though I know it somehow> > improves my spiritual understanding..> >> > >> > > Green Tourmaline is another stone that shall suit you. Aquamarine> > would also> > > suit you but not good for money part so best to avoid it too. Blue> > Sapphire> > > should not be worn. Amethyst can be worn but not now. It will be> > applicable> > > later. Meanwhile, buy a geode of Amethyst and keep it on your work> > table.> > >> > > Wear a Mars and Ketu numerical Yantra in a tabeez and wear in the> > neck> > > using red thread for mars and Kesari thread for Ketu.>

>> > Mars to me is also "red" and as I said, I am quite wary but would> > like to know your reasoning..> >> > >> > > Chant Vishnushashtranama everyday.> > >> > > Thanks and Regards> > > Bharat> > >> >> > Thanks very much and awaiting your input,> >> > Sundeep> >> > >> > >> > > On 12/27/06, vedicastrostudent <vedicastrostudent@> wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Visti,> > > >> > > > My questions are very similar to Sharat's and my own chart is in> > > > question here. I havent found a good way to deal with it so far,> > > > truthfully speaking:> > > >> > > > In my chart:> > > > 1) Aquarius Lagna, Lagnesh Saturn with Moon in the

second house> > in> > > > Pisces.> > > > 2) Moon (and Saturn) aspected by Mars from 8th> > > > 3) Moon in parivartana with exalted Jupiter in 6th> > > > 4) Moon debilitated in scorpio navamsa but with Jupiter in> > scorpio> > > > navamsa too.> > > > 5) Moon in Ghora shastyamsa, and with Mars in Shastyamsha chart.> > > >> > > > Problem is that Moon is severely afflicted and cursed. Please> > confirm.> > > > I dont know exactly how to counter this influence. I believe> > Moon is> > > > in a pravrajya yoga, and while I definitely have all those> > tendencies,> > > > angers and sorrows are also plentiful.> > > >> > > > From a gemstone point of view, I am confused. I also have Venus> > AK in>

> > > 6th (Yogakaraka but also Badhakesh, in Gandanta, and in Marana).> > From> > > > your writeup, if I wear a Yellow Topaz for Jupiter, it will> > either> > > > give the results of Venus (which is also in 6th) or Moon (which> > it is> > > > in Parivartana with), but not its own influence, which is the> > only> > > > thing I really want to lessen the affliction on the Moon. So what> > > > should I do? If I wear a Diamond, will that be good? Presumably> > that> > > > should give the results of Jupiter? But Venus is in Marana and> > > > Badhakesh and in Gandanta, and I really dont want to enhance any> > > > negative effects of Venus - I am pretty sure they are quite bad.> > If I> > > > wear a pearl for Moon, will that give the results of

Jupiter> > > > (parivartan) or Saturn (Yuti) or Mars (aspect)?> > > >> > > > Please advise. A clear path is not visible..> > > >> > > > My birthdata is:> > > > 29 June 1967, 23:00pm, rectified, 78E46, 22N12, +5:30 GMT.> > > >> > > > Thanks,> > > >> > > > Sundeep> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> >> > > >>

January 4, 2007

Sweeji and Bharatji,

I am carefully following (or trying to follow) your discussion.

Sweeji's original observation are absolutely correct - my wife's

prime complaint against me is that I dont express myself :-)

However, I used to think that was because of the state of the Moon

in my chart. Sweeji seems to conclude it from Mars and Saturn's

dristi on Mercury, and Bharatji seems to conclude it from the

position of Venus (that would have been my other guess). However,

Bharatji's other comment is very intriguing (and correct) - " there

is a barrier between what goes in the mind and what is expressed " .

So do you both have some kind of agreement, then? Sweeji's

observation that Mercury is a functional malefic bereft of benefic

aspects is a bit worrisome. However, I have been through Mercury

vimshottari mahadasha and some antaras too - so some feedback:

Mercury-Mercury is a bit hazy in my mind (back in the early 70s),

but I know it wasnt too great (fears and unhappiness related to

school), except in terms of experiencing nature in Africa as a

child, which was mind-blowing. Mercury-Sun (back in India) was

absolutely stellar - made great strides in education, generally

happy. Ketu-Sun in the US was also excellent - did most of my MS

work in those few months. Ketu-Mercury in the US was also absolutely

stellar - did most of my PhD work in that one year (Ketu-Saturn

right before it was terrible for my mind, by comparison, right

before Ketu-Mercury). Venus-Sun was again very good - made a mark in

my profession.

So on the whole, I think have had generally good experiences in

Mercury/Sun antaras..

Thanks for your continued interest,

Sundeep

sohamsa , " Bharat Hindu Astrology "

<hinduastrology wrote:

>

> Namaste Sri Swee

>

> Mooltrikona lordship is always more important, if the lord is not

located in

> the 2nd house that it owns. Out of the 5th house and 8th house,

8th house is

> more malefic than the 5th. Here:

> 1. Dagdha Rasi is in 8th - Positive

> 2. Dagdha Rasi is in the 5th - Negative. But lord of Dagdha Rasi

in 5th so

> positive.

> 3. Yuti of Yogi-Avayogi in 5th house - Positive

> 4. Yuti of Yogi-Avayogi in Dagdha Rasi - mixed results

> 5. Avayogi is the lagna lord - negative

> 6. Avayogi in Duplicate Yogi's nakshatra - mixed results

>

> Mercury does not have graha drishti of malefics. Budha-Aditya yoga

> enlightens the 5th house. The harm that Mars does is also

controlled through

> Mercury in this chart. The dasha lord is in Mercury's nakshatra.

>

> Purely on gemstones remedies, I think Emerald is a fine choice

with Ruby.

> Other remedies for Mars and Saturn should be done but we'd not

discuss them

> for now.

>

> Expression to wife is likely to improve after wearing an Emerald.

Venus in

> the 6th usually gives issues with all kinds of expression. There

is a

> barrier between what goes in the mind and what is expressed. Not

going into

> that now, I still think Emerald and Ruby combo is nice.

>

> If he were here in Delhi, I'd give him my spare emerald and ruby

to try on

> for a couple of days, if he wanted to check the results.

>

> Thanks and Regards

> Bharat

On 1/4/07, Swee Chan <sweechan wrote:

> >

> > Jaya Jagannatha

> >

> > Dear Bharat,

> > Namaste

> >

> > Another sloka from the same chapter on the 5th House:

> >

> > *sutasya nAshaH kathitotra tatj~naiH subhairadR^iShTe sutabhe

> > sutesho||114||

> > *

> > One well versed say that the 5th house and its lord should be

bereft of

> > benefic aspects for this loss.

> >

> > In the same vein from the continuation of the first sloka as

given,

> > Mercury is the *moolatrikona *lord of the 8th conjoins lord of

the 6th

> > (diseases, enemies etc) and this same Mercury is in rashi

drishti with two

> > other malefics, Mars and Saturn. Mercury does not get beneficial

aspects

> > from Jupiter or Venus the natural benefics.

> > Besides bhakti and progeny, I am sure Sundeep finds it hard to

express his

> > real feelings to his wife and children.

> >

> > This is how I was taught in the Iyer method: Iyer also takes

into account

> > of the moolatrikona stance of a planet and its no different from

any other

> > classics. His point is that a malefic placed in a malefic house

or in dagdha

> > rasi bodes well. This is also mentioned in the same book and the

idea is

> > based in VRY. The 5-9 yoga is considered to be a malefic yoga

and will give

> > anything but beneficial. Mercury besides being a functional

malefic is also

> > a natural malefic because of its conjunction with the Sun.

> >

> > Except for the Sun and Moon, all other planets (not including

Rahu-Ketu)

> > preside over two signs. One is the moolatrina which we

understand is the

> > " office " and the other is the planet's own sign which we

understand as its

> > own " home " . This basic understanding has already been elaborated

on as above

> > (and below).

> >

> > Love,

> >

> > Swee

> >

> > On 1/4/07 11:33 AM, " Bharat Hindu Astrology " <hinduastrology

> > wrote:

> >

> > Namaste Sri Swee

> >

> > Of all the combinations given for grief and of death, do they

come to

> > pass? No.

> >

> > Secondly, 8th lord effects of Mercury are greatly reduced since

it is in

> > the 5th house and in its own sign. The greater good capacity of

Mercury

> > becomes evident. I have already explained about yogi and dagdha

rasi.

> >

> > Mercury is also the lord of the nakshatra of the lagna lord.

This greatly

> > increases its life giving properties than life taking ones.

> >

> > Thanks and Regards

> > Bharat

> >

> > On 1/4/07, *Swee Chan* <sweechan wrote:

> >

> > Jaya Jagannatha

> >

> > Dear Bharat,

> > Namaste

> >

> > The dialogue between Shiva and Parvati from Jyotishanava

Navanitam Ch 2

> > sloka 1

> >

> > *kArakagrahasaMyukto bhAvassklpaphalapradaH|

> > kArakagraharAshisthaH pApastatphalanAshaH||1||

> > *

> > The house that is occupied by a cencerned significator will

yield limited

> > results.

> > If there is a malefic planet, the indications concerning that

house owned

> > by its dispositor will be destroyed.

> >

> > Implying that a malefic will destroy the karakatwa effects of its

> > dispositor.

> >

> > To understand what is meant by (functional) malefics, the next

sloka is

> > given:

> >

> > *yeyegrahA dharmapabudbhapAbhyAmyuktAshca

dR^iSTAshcashubhapradAsyaH|

> > sndhreshvarAri vyayapairyutAshceccokaprado mArakanAyakeShu||2

> > *

> > Planets that are related to the lords of the 9th and the 5th

houses either

> > by aspect or conjunction will prove auspicious

> > Grief and death will be the result if planets are conjoined with

the lords

> > of the 8th, 6th and 12th houses.

> >

> > Love,

> >

> > Swee

> >

> > On 1/4/07 10:04 AM, " Bharat Hindu Astrology " <hinduastrology

> > <http://gmail.com> <http://gmail.com> > wrote:

> >

> > Namaste Sri Sundeep

> >

> > Responses below in Blue:

> > 1) When you say Emerald is the right stone, are you taking into

> > account the fact that Emerald would give the results of the Sun,

due

> > to Mercury's conjuction with the Sun in my chart? Similarly,

would

> > Ruby give the results of Mercury?

> > No, I am not. Mercury has its own nature and it does not

exchange it. Two

> > grahas can work for each other but do not change their inherent

nature.

> > Mercury would give its own results. Sun its own.

> >

> > 2) In general, you seem to also be saying that wearing a gem for

the

> > lord of a house which is a maraka house for some relation

(father,

> > mother, children, siblings etc) will not bring about any negative

> > karma for them. If this is true, then say a person has huge

problems

> > with his wife, and wears a gem to alleviate the problem. Lets

say it

> > does alleviate the problem - then from the wife's point of view,

she

> > was going through some bad karma, and then it suddenly stopped.

How

> > would you explain this - since you say that wearing a gem cannot

> > affect other people's karma. I'm specifically interested in this

> > because in my case, the 5th house gem would automatically be the

2nd

> > from the 4th i.e. maraka for the mother.

> > Given a similar logic one should not wear the lagna lord's

gemstone since

> > it is 12th for family and markesh for wife. The chart is of

oneself and not

> > of others. Others have their own charts. When we give a remedy

or a gemstone

> > to alleviate problems with wife or so, it is not to mould the

wife but to

> > seek protection from forces causing harm Or to bring internal

change such

> > that certain reactiveness, non-acceptance, etc. is countered,

etc.. That is

> > why we match charts for matchmaking too - such that two person

combine in

> > their natural energies towards positivity and prosperity. If

only one chart

> > was to dictate everything, then, no need for matching charts

either. Many

> > such examples can be given. Therefore, 5th Lord strengthening is

not for

> > causing harm to your mother but to strengthen dharma in you.

Your mother's

> > chart will dictate what gemstone is harmful for her to wear.

> >

> > I hope it is clear.

> >

> > Thanks and Regards

> > Bharat

> >

> > On 1/4/07, *vedicastrostudent* < vedicastrostudent

> > <http://> <http://>

> > <vedicastrostudent <vedicastrostudent >

> > wrote:

> >

> > Dear Bharatji,

> > A very happy new year to you and all others who are reading this

> > post. Thanks very much for the explanation of your

recommendations.

> > I have two additional questions and would be very grateful if you

> > could respond.

> > 1) When you say Emerald is the right stone, are you taking into

> > account the fact that Emerald would give the results of the Sun,

due

> > to Mercury's conjuction with the Sun in my chart? Similarly,

would

> > Ruby give the results of Mercury?

> >

> > 2) In general, you seem to also be saying that wearing a gem for

the

> > lord of a house which is a maraka house for some relation

(father,

> > mother, children, siblings etc) will not bring about any negative

> > karma for them. If this is true, then say a person has huge

problems

> > with his wife, and wears a gem to alleviate the problem. Lets

say it

> > does alleviate the problem - then from the wife's point of view,

she

> > was going through some bad karma, and then it suddenly stopped.

How

> > would you explain this - since you say that wearing a gem cannot

> > affect other people's karma. I'm specifically interested in this

> > because in my case, the 5th house gem would automatically be the

2nd

> > from the 4th i.e. maraka for the mother.

> >

> > Thanks

> >

> > Sundeep

> >

> > sohamsa <sohamsa%

40><sohamsa%40>

> > <sohamsa%40> <sohamsa%

40> , " Bharat

> > Hindu Astrology "

> >

> > <hinduastrology@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Namaste Sri Sundeep

> > >

> > > A few important things: Each person's destiny is separate.

Their

> > seemingly

> > > intermingling nature is because the Lord programs it in that

way.

> > Periods of

> > > sorrow and despair for family members are programmed with

sickness

> > of one

> > > member. Though the destiny seem to join, they are apart. The

proof

> > comes

> > > from the unattached, who are not affected or hardly affected in

> > crisis,

> > > etc...

> > >

> > > Keeping the above in mind, your wearing of a red thread must

have

> > coincided

> > > with your father's ill health. To be sure, it is essential to

> > check what the

> > > havan was about and whether the pundit performed it properly.

> > >

> > > In your chart, rotate the chart to keep 9th house as lagna.

Saturn

> > is

> > > afflicted by Mars. Mars is one of the maraka for 9th house of

> > Father. Saturn

> > > is the lord of the 4th (heart). Saturn is in the house of

sickness

> > (6th

> > > house for father). Jupiter the lord of 6th aspects the 4th

house.

> > Venus, the

> > > lagna lord, protects it. Saturn-Mars mutual aspect can cause

blood

> > pressure

> > > problems especially as Moon joins it. This can come to you via

> > heredity

> > > route as Moon is your 6th lord and it is with the lagna lord

in a

> > markesh

> > > sthana.

> > >

> > > Saturn is an avayogi, placed in 2nd house. Its stone is to be

> > avoided. Mars,

> > > is causing a vipreet raja yoga being the 3rd lord in 8th

(dusthana

> > in

> > > dusthana as per Sri Iyer) but we already know its harm on the

> > lagna lord. It

> > > is important to note that 3rd lord in 3rd, 6th in 6th, 8th in

8th

> > and 12th

> > > in 12th are pure yogas. They do not cause problems. The other

> > vipreet raja

> > > yogas come with " side effects " . (3rd in 8th will bring side

> > effects). So no

> > > point strengthening Mars with Red coral.

> > >

> > > Dagdha Rasi Lord is in Dagdha Rasi. Moreover Virgo is in the

8th

> > as a dagdha

> > > Rasi. This is good as it reduces debt and enemies or long term

> > problems.

> > > Mercury is in Jupiter's nakshatra and its guna is unspoilt.

> > Mercury removes

> > > the problems caused on Sun by being in Rahu's nakshatra.

> > Therefore, Emerald

> > > becomes a must. Venus, the yogakaraka is in Mercury's nakshatra

> > and it is

> > > best the nakshatra lord is strengthened especially because the

> > above is

> > > true.

> > >

> > > Yogi Sun and Duplicate Yogi Mercury combine in the 5th house

which

> > is a

> > > great yoga. Sun's good effects get diminished by being in the

> > dagdha rasi,

> > > where Mercury rescues it again. Duality will be fought and won

> > over through

> > > careful and quick analysis - if you know what I mean.

> > >

> > > 10th lord cannot be given strength. Therefore, give strength to

> > 10th from

> > > 10th and its depositor. Emerald again. (This is logic is true

only

> > if the

> > > said stone is helpful otherwise too).

> > >

> > > So wearing a Ruby and Emerald is likely to be of help. Do not

wear

> > a Ruby

> > > without wearing an Emerald first.

> > >

> > > I welcome your thoughts on it. Best wishes for the New Year

> > >

> > > Thanks and Regards

> > > Bharat

> > >

> > > On 12/28/06, vedicastrostudent <vedicastrostudent@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Bharatji,

> > > >

> > > > sohamsa <sohamsa%

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> > <sohamsa%40> <sohamsa%40>

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> > 40 <http://40>

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> > <http://40> <http://40> >, " Bharat

Hindu

> >

> > > > Astrology "

> > > > <hinduastrology@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Namaste Sri Sundeep

> > > > >

> > > > > I am intruding to your post to Sri Visti.

> > > >

> > > > No problem at all, I value your input

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Emerald and Ruby combination shall suit you. Do not wear a

Ruby

> > > > alone but in

> > > > > combination with an Emerald. Emerald looks like the key

stone

> > for

> > > > your

> > > > > chart. Please follow proper rules in buying and wearing

> > gemstones.

> > > > I shall

> > > > > mail them to you once you are keen on wearing them.

> > > >

> > > > I intuitively agree with what you say - I have long noticed

that

> > Sun

> > > > and Mercury seem to be good for me especially in terms of

> > learning

> > > > and spirituality, but I would like to understand your logic a

> > little

> > > > better. I feel strongly that a lot of problems center around

the

> > > > Moon, so how would these gems solve these problems? Isnt the

> > idea to

> > > > enhance powerful benefics to counter the effect of

weaknesses in

> > the

> > > > chart? In this case, Sun and Mercury dont seem to have

anything

> > > > other than rasi dristi to Moon (in D-1).

> > > >

> > > > Also, I do have one apprehension. I remember that once when I

> > went

> > > > to India (I live in the US) my mother had some kind of havan

> > > > (homam?) done for my general well being, and I ended up

wearing a

> > > > red thread on my right wrist. The immediate result (in my

mind)

> > was

> > > > that my dad seemed to keep getting in some trouble or the

other.

> > > > First he fell down some stairs (he was 75 at the time). Then

he

> > fell

> > > > very sick and immediately after recovering he immediately

had go

> > in

> > > > for prostate surgery. He recovered from that and came to the

US

> > and

> > > > very soon again fell very sick. All the while I was wearing

this

> > red

> > > > thread, and my subconscious was repeatedly presenting me with

> > dreams

> > > > of a dangerous red snake. Eventually he started having heart

> > > > problems (he has had 2 heart attacks in the past) and I

finally

> > had

> > > > a dream of this red snake pursuing me and suddenly turning

into a

> > > > red thread that tightly bound me up from head to toe. I still

> > didnt

> > > > take the hint. Next morning I got up and for some reason some

> > dirty

> > > > water drain in the house overflowed and my hands and the red

> > thread

> > > > got soiled while cleaning up the area, so I had to cut it. My

> > father

> > > > virtually immediately recovered and was problem free for at

> > least a

> > > > year after that..

> > > >

> > > > Net result is - I somehow correlated this red thread and

ceremony

> > > > with the Sun, I now forget the reasoning. Additionally, I

> > remember

> > > > that during the same period I also had some deeply spiritual

> > dreams

> > > > which repeatedly made me ask myself who I really am. Those

dreams

> > > > also stopped after cutting the red thread.

> > > >

> > > > So I am wary of " red " after that, even though I know it

somehow

> > > > improves my spiritual understanding..

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Green Tourmaline is another stone that shall suit you.

> > Aquamarine

> > > > would also

> > > > > suit you but not good for money part so best to avoid it

too.

> > Blue

> > > > Sapphire

> > > > > should not be worn. Amethyst can be worn but not now. It

will

> > be

> > > > applicable

> > > > > later. Meanwhile, buy a geode of Amethyst and keep it on

your

> > work

> > > > table.

> > > > >

> > > > > Wear a Mars and Ketu numerical Yantra in a tabeez and wear

in

> > the

> > > > neck

> > > > > using red thread for mars and Kesari thread for Ketu.

> > > >

> > > > Mars to me is also " red " and as I said, I am quite wary but

would

> > > > like to know your reasoning..

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Chant Vishnushashtranama everyday.

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanks and Regards

> > > > > Bharat

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > Thanks very much and awaiting your input,

> > > >

> > > > Sundeep

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > On 12/27/06, vedicastrostudent <vedicastrostudent@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Visti,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > My questions are very similar to Sharat's and my own

chart

> > is in

> > > > > > question here. I havent found a good way to deal with it

so

> > far,

> > > > > > truthfully speaking:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > In my chart:

> > > > > > 1) Aquarius Lagna, Lagnesh Saturn with Moon in the second

> > house

> > > > in

> > > > > > Pisces.

> > > > > > 2) Moon (and Saturn) aspected by Mars from 8th

> > > > > > 3) Moon in parivartana with exalted Jupiter in 6th

> > > > > > 4) Moon debilitated in scorpio navamsa but with Jupiter

in

> > > > scorpio

> > > > > > navamsa too.

> > > > > > 5) Moon in Ghora shastyamsa, and with Mars in Shastyamsha

> > chart.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Problem is that Moon is severely afflicted and cursed.

Please

> > > > confirm.

> > > > > > I dont know exactly how to counter this influence. I

believe

> > > > Moon is

> > > > > > in a pravrajya yoga, and while I definitely have all

those

> > > > tendencies,

> > > > > > angers and sorrows are also plentiful.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > From a gemstone point of view, I am confused. I also have

> > Venus

> > > > AK in

> > > > > > 6th (Yogakaraka but also Badhakesh, in Gandanta, and in

> > Marana).

> > > > From

> > > > > > your writeup, if I wear a Yellow Topaz for Jupiter, it

will

> > > > either

> > > > > > give the results of Venus (which is also in 6th) or Moon

> > (which

> > > > it is

> > > > > > in Parivartana with), but not its own influence, which

is the

> > > > only

> > > > > > thing I really want to lessen the affliction on the

Moon. So

> > what

> > > > > > should I do? If I wear a Diamond, will that be good?

> > Presumably

> > > > that

> > > > > > should give the results of Jupiter? But Venus is in

Marana

> > and

> > > > > > Badhakesh and in Gandanta, and I really dont want to

enhance

> > any

> > > > > > negative effects of Venus - I am pretty sure they are

quite

> > bad.

> > > > If I

> > > > > > wear a pearl for Moon, will that give the results of

Jupiter

> > > > > > (parivartan) or Saturn (Yuti) or Mars (aspect)?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Please advise. A clear path is not visible..

> > > > > >

> > > > > > My birthdata is:

> > > > > > 29 June 1967, 23:00pm, rectified, 78E46, 22N12, +5:30

GMT.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thanks,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Sundeep

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

January 5, 2007

Om Gurave Namah

Hare Ram KrishnaDear Bharatji,I have requested previously about a similar conjunction along with parivartan. Will be grateful for your views:Libra Asc, Lagnesh(Ve) is in conunction in 5H( Aqu) with Sun(AK) and Mercury(combust). Ve is also in parivartan with Rahu in Lagan(Libra). Moon in Cancer has Rasi drishti on 5H. Will diamond help in strengthening Ve? Sun is also Badhakesh but there is no planet in Leo.

Will an Emerald help as well? (Me as 9th lord and lord of 12H which has retrograde Jupiter)RegardsSharat- Bharat Hindu Astrology sohamsa Thursday, January 04, 2007 4:34 PMRe: (To Visti)ratna and sambandha (Re: Re: Vistiji's Lecture on GemStones- questionsNamaste Sri SweeMooltrikona lordship is always more important, if the lord is not located in the 2nd house that it owns. Out of the 5th house and 8th house, 8th house is more malefic than the 5th. Here:1. Dagdha Rasi is in 8th - Positive 2. Dagdha Rasi is in the 5th - Negative. But lord of Dagdha Rasi in 5th so positive.3

January 5, 2007

Namaste Sri SundeepResponses in Green:> 1) When you say Emerald is the right stone, are you taking into

> account the fact that Emerald would give the results of the Sun,

due

> to Mercury's conjuction with the Sun in my chart? Similarly, would

> Ruby give the results of Mercury?

> No, I am not. Mercury has its own nature and it does not exchange

it. Two

> grahas can work for each other but do not change their inherent

nature.

> Mercury would give its own results. Sun its own.

>

So you are in direct contradiction with the conjunction principle

cited in earlier posts, then?Contradiction isn't the correct word. Astrology is too vast to be understood correctly by one person. Many of its portions are lost due to invaders, etc. Many of its portions are suppressed by traditional families. There isn't a Sankara Bhashya on it, referring which I may contradict another. We are naturally attracted to one method over the other. If one is using one method, I am using another method and reasoning. I do not ask anyone to stop using their method. Nor do I say that another's method is wrong. I am just saying, I would explain it in a different way using logic and reasoning that appeals to me. So no contradiction here.

That when two planets are in

conjunction, then one gives the results of the other? I recall

someone posting a few days ago that Sanjay Rathji told him to wear a

Ruby for debilitated AK Sun conjunct Mercury in house, in

order to benefit his *career*. It seemed to me that in that case,

the conjunction principle worked - i.e. Sun was 9L in 11, and

Mercury was 7 and 10L. If the conjunction principle isnt effective,

then why would boosting the Sun help career? However, if you take

Ruby as boosting Mercury (due to Sun's conjunction with it), then

the results are clear, since Mercury is 10L.9th Lord and 10th Lord together is a Dharma-Karma -Yoga. Grahas in mutual kendras work together. Secondly, if they are in own house, friendly house or exaltation house, they would bring Raja Yoga even when in Dusthanas. Here I do not need to believe that Sun will act like Mercury and Mercury like Sun. Infact, since Mercury is both a friend of Venus and Sun, it will act to bring their energies together.

If you recall another chart, that of Sri PV Narasimha Rao, for wearing Red Coral. I had expressed my views too in this regard to someone in a private email, as follows:

" Case of P V Narasimha Rao Mars is the trik lord in dagdha Rasi. That itself should give a good result in Mars mahadasha.

We

still do not know the real reason behind him wearing a Moonga since

many astrologers use " Pratikula " system of prescribing gemstones. They

take Red Coral

to be a protection against the Mars evilness. In their eyes, by

uplifting the power of Graha - the Graha is appeased and give good

results whether or not it is functional or natural malefic. " So my question is - do you disagree with that principle, and on what

basis?Already commented in the 1st para.

>

> 2) In general, you seem to also be saying that wearing a gem for

the

> lord of a house which is a maraka house for some relation (father,

> mother, children, siblings etc) will not bring about any negative

> karma for them. If this is true, then say a person has huge

problems

> with his wife, and wears a gem to alleviate the problem. Lets say

it

> does alleviate the problem - then from the wife's point of view,

she

> was going through some bad karma, and then it suddenly stopped. How

> would you explain this - since you say that wearing a gem cannot

> affect other people's karma. I'm specifically interested in this

> because in my case, the 5th house gem would automatically be the

2nd

> from the 4th i.e. maraka for the mother.

> Given a similar logic one should not wear the lagna lord's

gemstone since it

> is 12th for family and markesh for wife. The chart is of oneself

and not of

> others. Others have their own charts. When we give a remedy or a

gemstone to

> alleviate problems with wife or so, it is not to mould the wife

but to seek

> protection from forces causing harm Or to bring internal change

such that

> certain reactiveness, non-acceptance, etc. is countered, etc..

That is why

> we match charts for matchmaking too - such that two person combine

in their

> natural energies towards positivity and prosperity. If only one

chart was to

> dictate everything, then, no need for matching charts either. Many

such

> examples can be given. Therefore, 5th Lord strengthening is not

for causing

> harm to your mother but to strengthen dharma in you. Your mother's

chart

> will dictate what gemstone is harmful for her to wear.

>

> I hope it is clear.

>

Actually, it still isnt totally clear. You havent answered the

question - if by wearing a gem for improving one's relationship with

his wife, the relationship improved, then the wife felt the results,

didnt she? But she wore no gem. So what happened to her bad karma

for marriage then? Or was it destined that that her bad karma was to

end exactly then anyway? In which case, for relationship cases,

whether a gem is going to work for one spouse can be seen by looking

for changes in the *other* spouse's chart - the one that isnt going

to start wearing a gem.

If you make one person responsible or cause for another person's behavior, you are going against the Vedas. The results are in the hands of the Lord. Karma is in one's hands. The results are based on our Karmas - both adrista and drista. So, at best we can say, your wearing a gemstone improved your karmas, understanding, change of attitude, etc...which in turn removed the badha the other was feeling and the relationship benefited. To explain it further would be the domain of the Lord. Moreover, there is a quality of sensitivity and empathy which makes one take the results of another person unto oneself. This is the choice one has. But then, it is again her karma and not yours that makes it so.

Clear now?Thanks and RegardsBharat

Thanks,

Sundeep

January 5, 2007

Jaya Jagannatha

Dear Sundeep,

Namaste

Mercury is all about communications. Placed in the 5th and in retrograde motion –means you are npt able to put your feelings through. Moon conjoining Saturn would make you significantly more aloof. How was relationship with your mother? And during this period of your badhakesh Venus, it will have begun rearing its full results from April 02. Doesn’t this make it sound like your wife’s constant reminder is becoming too much of a nag? Since I have not followed your discussions so far, can you tell me what made you come to this list in the first place? I wonder about that Moon and Jupiter in randhra in navamsa – more of a concern to me. Time to offer ancestral oblations and keep your pockets open “for a good dip”.

Love,

Swee

On 1/4/07 11:04 PM, " vedicastrostudent " <vedicastrostudent wrote: