(To Visti)ratna and sambandha (Vistiji's Lecture on GemStones- questions

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Hare Rama Krishna,

 

 

dear Swee,

I start to like you more and more :-)

I assumed-rightly or wrongly- that somewhere Sanjay-ji, at least in "retro" did endorse wearing the gemstone of the Ashtamesh (coral) in the case of PV Narasimha.

As always, I am interested in the principle.

With deep respect:

Arpad Joo

sohamsa , Swee Chan <sweechan wrote:>> > Jaya Jagannatha> > Dear Arpad Joo,> Namaste> > The flip side of my story > > According to Sanjay ji on VRY, there are 2 main ones: A dusthana lord in> dusthana or a dusthana lord in kendra or trikona. The theory is based on> this: If a negative (malefic) planet is in a kendra/trikona, indications> maybe spoilt, but the planet bodes well in that position. However, without> considering the dispositor¹s friendship with the ³visitors², is this> realistic assessment? If yes, then why do we bother to assess the lord of> this house and that. Then nothing is bad. It is all in the mind. So wear a> Pearl for ANY lagna, so the mind is always at rest.> > Let¹s take a passage from BPHS on the combiantions for Fame: If Moon is in> 10th and 10th lord is in 2nd House (trines) and the ascendant lord is in> ascendant. Similar results will accrue if the 11th lord is in the 10th and> the 10th lord in strength is aspected by Jupiter. Fame comes if the 10th> lord is in the 9th and ascendant lord is in the 10th and Moon is in the 5th> from the ascendant.> > In Mars mahadasa, PV Narasimha¹s reign as PM lasted only one tenure and the> Coral was not enough to sustain his position ­ Saturn is the natural planet> for the 8th and these two are enemies. Hence he was always plagued with> accusations of underhanded handouts. He was convicted of conspiring to buy> votes in 1993 prior to the vote of ³no confidence² Mars/Sat. He was badly> defeated during Mars/Sun. He died durin g Rahu/Sat ­ paapa kartari. Wouldn¹t> Moon or Mercury do a better job coming to the rescue? Admittedly, his image> and rise to fame ­ planet Sun, where ploitics is concerned (AL and GL,) is> well protected with Guru in Sun¹s sign aspecting the 4th and 8th.> These obstructions are obvious as the lagna lord and 10th lord is in yuti> with the 8th (house of obstructions) and 12th lord (loss).> > Oh, come on ;-) Should we retro fit and try and justify what another> astrologer¹s (I assume not Sanjay¹s) advice is for the man?> > Love,> > Swee> > On 12/31/06 5:20 AM, "Arpad Joo" panchasila wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > Hare Rama Krishna,> > > > Dear Swee,> > > > I may not have been clear about my question.., I was refererring to a> > PRINCIPLE not to any dasha.> > > > The principle being cited in the case of Narasimha Rao (the now deceased> > politician) where the coral,gemstone of Mars was prescrbed. This is a> > bold move for a kanya lagna, as Mars is Ashtamesh (placed in the 10th> > house), conjunct with Mercury. Coral-in this case would strenghten> > Mercury, because of the Yuti.So the theory goes. It did work for N.Rao> > however, as evidenced by his political power and accomplishments in the> > National stage.> > > > My question is this: would the same principle work in the case of> > Parivartana, and if so which kind of parivartana: Rashi,Nakshatra,Bhava> > lordship etc.> > > > To make it clear:> > > > Let's suppose that someone has kanya lagna and mars is in the 10th> > (mithuna) and Mercury is in the 3rd house.(Vrshchika). Rashi> > parivartana.By wearing a coral we would strenghten lagnesh.> > > > Again let's suppose that we have in a chart Nakshatra parivartana. Mars> > in Ashlesha, and mercury in Mrgashira. The lagna is the same: Kanya.> > > > Will wearing a coral strengthen lagnesh?> > > > I am familiar with the works of KP and his gem prescription as per> > Nakshatra lordships and subs.(I must be either intellectually deficient,> > retarded or too conservative-but I follow traditional Jyotish ,rather> > than KP.)> > > > With deep respect:> > > > Arpad Joo> > > > sohamsa <sohamsa%40> , Swee Chan> > sweechan@ wrote:> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Jaya Jagannatha> >> >> >> > Dear Arpad Joo,> >> > Namaste> >> >> >> > I don Œt understand your question: The calculation of the> > vimsottari dasa is> >> > based on the lord of the nakshatras.> >> >> >> > Love,> >> >> >> > Swee> >> >> >> >> >> > On 12/29/06 8:37 AM, "Arpad Joo" panchasila@ wrote:> >> >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > > Hare Rama Krishna,> >>> > >> >>> > > Question to Swee and Visti (and all others if you like to add> > comment)> >>> > >> >>> > > In the case of Yuti the prescription if gems are clear. However in> > the> >>> > > case of Parivartana this is less so. Let us suppose that there is> >>> > > normal rashi parivartana. Then, of course one planet would give the> >>> > > effect of the other. However there are different kinds of> > Parivartana.> >>> > >> >>> > > Rashi,Nakshatra,Bhava etc.> >>> > >> >>> > > Suppose Venus is in Aridra and Rahu is in Bharani. Simple Nakshatra> >>> > > Parivartana.> >>> > >> >>> > > Would wearing diamond strenghten Rahu- and vice versa? In my> >>> > > experience,in the case of Rashi Parivartana this is the case- but I> >>> > > have't found Nakshatra parivartana working this way.> >>> > >> >>> > > I would welcome anyone who has had some experience in this matter> > to,> >>> > > enrich my understanding.> >>> > >> >>> > > With deep respect> >>> > >> >>> > > Thanks:> >>> > >> >>> > > Arpad Joo> >>> > >> >>> > > sohamsa <sohamsa%40>> >>> <sohamsa%40> ,> >>> > > "vedicastrostudent"> >>> > > vedicastrostudent@ wrote:> >>>>> > >> >> >>>>> > >> > Dear Bharatji,> >>>>> > >> >> >>>>> > >> > sohamsa <sohamsa%40>> >>>>> <sohamsa%40>> > , "Bharat> >>>> > >> Hindu Astrology"> >>>>> > >> > hinduastrology@ wrote:> >>>>>>> > >>> > >> >>>>>>> > >>> > > Namaste Sri Sundeep> >>>>>>> > >>> > >> >>>>>>> > >>> > > I am intruding to your post to Sri Visti.> >>>>> > >> >> >>>>> > >> > No problem at all, I value your input> >>>>> > >> >> >>>>>>> > >>> > >> >>>>>>> > >>> > > Emerald and Ruby combination shall suit you. Do not wear a> > Ruby> >>>>> > >> > alone but in> >>>>>>> > >>> > > combination with an Emerald. Emerald looks like the key stone> > for> >>>>> > >> > your> >>>>>>> > >>> > > chart. Please follow proper rules in buying and wearing> > gemstones.> >>>>> > >> > I shall> >>>>>>> > >>> > > mail them to you once you are keen on wearing them.> >>>>> > >> >> >>>>> > >> > I intuitively agree with what you say - I have long noticed that> > Sun> >>>>> > >> > and Mercury seem to be good for me especially in terms of> > learning> >>>>> > >> > and spirituality, but I would like to understand your logic a> > little> >>>>> > >> > better. I feel strongly that a lot of problems center around the> >>>>> > >> > Moon, so how would these gems solve these problems? Isnt the idea> > to> >>>>> > >> > enhance powerful benefics to counter the effect of weaknesses in> > the> >>>>> > >> > chart? In this case, Sun and Mercury dont seem to have anything> >>>>> > >> > other than rasi dristi to Moon (in D-1).> >>>>> > >> >> >>>>> > >> > Also, I do have one apprehension. I remember that once when I> > went> >>>>> > >> > to India (I live in the US) my mother had some kind of havan> >>>>> > >> > (homam?) done for my general well being, and I ended up wearing a> >>>>> > >> > red thread on my right wrist. The immediate result (in my mind)> > was> >>>>> > >> > that my dad seemed to keep getting in some trouble or the other.> >>>>> > >> > First he fell down some stairs (he was 75 at the time). Then he> > fell> >>>>> > >> > very sick and immediately after recovering he immediately had go> > in> >>>>> > >> > for prostate surgery. He recovered from that and came to the US> > and> >>>>> > >> > very soon again fell very sick. All the while I was wearing this> > red> >>>>> > >> > thread, and my subconscious was repeatedly presenting me with> > dreams> >>>>> > >> > of a dangerous red snake. Eventually he started having heart> >>>>> > >> > problems (he has had 2 heart attacks in the past) and I finally> > had> >>>>> > >> > a dream of this red snake pursuing me and suddenly turning into a> >>>>> > >> > red thread that tightly bound me up from head to toe. I still> > didnt> >>>>> > >> > take the hint. Next morning I got up and for some reason some> > dirty> >>>>> > >> > water drain in the house overflowed and my hands and the red> > thread> >>>>> > >> > got soiled while cleaning up the area, so I had to cut it. My> > father> >>>>> > >> > virtually immediately recovered and was problem free for at least> > a> >>>>> > >> > year after that..> >>>>> > >> >> >>>>> > >> > Net result is - I somehow correlated this red thread and ceremony> >>>>> > >> > with the Sun, I now forget the reasoning. Additionally, I> > remember> >>>>> > >> > that during the same period I also had some deeply spiritual> > dreams> >>>>> > >> > which repeatedly made me ask myself who I really am. Those dreams> >>>>> > >> > also stopped after cutting the red thread.> >>>>> > >> >> >>>>> > >> > So I am wary of "red" after that, even though I know it somehow> >>>>> > >> > improves my spiritual understanding..> >>>>> > >> >> >>>>>>> > >>> > >> >>>>>>> > >>> > > Green Tourmaline is another stone that shall suit you.> > Aquamarine> >>>>> > >> > would also> >>>>>>> > >>> > > suit you but not good for money part so best to avoid it too.> > Blue> >>>>> > >> > Sapphire> >>>>>>> > >>> > > should not be worn. Amethyst can be worn but not now. It will> > be> >>>>> > >> > applicable> >>>>>>> > >>> > > later. Meanwhile, buy a geode of Amethyst and keep it on your> > work> >>>>> > >> > table.> >>>>>>> > >>> > >> >>>>>>> > >>> > > Wear a Mars and Ketu numerical Yantra in a tabeez and wear in> > the> >>>>> > >> > neck> >>>>>>> > >>> > > using red thread for mars and Kesari thread for Ketu.> >>>>> > >> >> >>>>> > >> > Mars to me is also "red" and as I said, I am quite wary but would> >>>>> > >> > like to know your reasoning..> >>>>> > >> >> >>>>>>> > >>> > >> >>>>>>> > >>> > > Chant Vishnushashtranama everyday.> >>>>>>> > >>> > >> >>>>>>> > >>> > > Thanks and Regards> >>>>>>> > >>> > > Bharat> >>>>>>> > >>> > >> >>>>> > >> >> >>>>> > >> > Thanks very much and awaiting your input,> >>>>> > >> >> >>>>> > >> > Sundeep> >>>>>>> > >>> > >> >>>>>>> > >>> > >> >>>>>>> > >>> > > On 12/27/06, vedicastrostudent vedicastrostudent@ wrote:> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > >> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > > Dear Visti,> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > >> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > > My questions are very similar to Sharat's and my own> chart> > is in> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > > question here. I havent found a good way to deal with it> so> > far,> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > > truthfully speaking:> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > >> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > > In my chart:> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > > 1) Aquarius Lagna, Lagnesh Saturn with Moon in the second> > house> >>>>> > >> > in> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > > Pisces.> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > > 2) Moon (and Saturn) aspected by Mars from 8th> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > > 3) Moon in parivartana with exalted Jupiter in 6th> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > > 4) Moon debilitated in scorpio navamsa but with Jupiter> in> >>>>> > >> > scorpio> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > > navamsa too.> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > > 5) Moon in Ghora shastyamsa, and with Mars in Shastyamsha> > chart.> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > >> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > > Problem is that Moon is severely afflicted and cursed.> > Please> >>>>> > >> > confirm.> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > > I dont know exactly how to counter this influence. I> > believe> >>>>> > >> > Moon is> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > > in a pravrajya yoga, and while I definitely have all> those> >>>>> > >> > tendencies,> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > > angers and sorrows are also plentiful.> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > >> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > > From a gemstone point of view, I am confused. I also have> > Venus> >>>>> > >> > AK in> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > > 6th (Yogakaraka but also Badhakesh, in Gandanta, and in> > Marana).> >>>>> > >> > From> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > > your writeup, if I wear a Yellow Topaz for Jupiter, it> will> >>>>> > >> > either> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > > give the results of Venus (which is also in 6th) or Moon> > (which> >>>>> > >> > it is> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > > in Parivartana with), but not its own influence, which is> > the> >>>>> > >> > only> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > > thing I really want to lessen the affliction on the Moon.> > So what> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > > should I do? If I wear a Diamond, will that be good?> > Presumably> >>>>> > >> > that> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > > should give the results of Jupiter? But Venus is in> Marana> > and> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > > Badhakesh and in Gandanta, and I really dont want to> > enhance any> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > > negative effects of Venus - I am pretty sure they are> quite> > bad.> >>>>> > >> > If I> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > > wear a pearl for Moon, will that give the results of> > Jupiter> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > > (parivartan) or Saturn (Yuti) or Mars (aspect)?> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > >> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > > Please advise. 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