Guest guest Posted December 1, 2006 Report Share Posted December 1, 2006 Om Gurave Namah Dear Sanjay, Sahasra namaskara - This is indeed an interesting thread, and I too was taken aback by the " Curse Sanjay Rath " subject title of it. I had been away for some time, but just caught this today. Anyway, I would like a bit of clarification on the following that you wrote, and would be grateful for your elaboration: You wrote: God and demi-god is a concept developed for some cult thinking and htere are no demi-gods. There isnonly one God and men call that one by many names which is man's weakness, and not that of god. To my knowledge, as learned from my guru, God is indeed one but manifested variously. For the sake of some very important universal functions, some of the jivas play important roles, such as Brahma in creation, Indra in protection, etc. These jivas are described in the Bhagavad-gita as " Devas, " and are definitely a distinction that God, Sri Krsna makes Himself. Do you recall the verse from Bhagavad-gita, " Devan deva-yajo yanti, mad bhakta yanti mam api, " or " Those who worship the devas (demigods) go to the planets of the demigods (after death), whereas those who worship Me, come to Me. " ? So the concept of God and demigod (almighty, and His empowered parts and parcels) is not something of a cult thinking, but rather that of the Lord Himself. But you know this, don't you, and am I not preaching to the choir here? So far as many names of God, yes there are infinite names, and these are mentioned in various scriptures to describe but a minute fraction of His immense potencies and Lilas. Why is the awareness of various names of God indicative of man's weakness? Further, in ISKCON the infinite names of God as described in various scriptures are known, recited, and worshipped, yet indeed the distinction between God and demigod is taught as well. Where did you get the idea that ISKCON devotees only knew or worshipped one or two names of God? Why do you hate ISKCON? I have heard one elder sadhu telling that God sends you to be born in the lands of those you fight against, in the religion of those you hate, in the houses of those who have a debt to repay to you!!! I am sure you don't want to be reborn as an ISKCON member nor as a buddhist. So my humble submission is that you should love ISKCON and love Buddhists, then you can stay away from them forever!!! If I had the chance to take birth a million times as a member of ISKCON, I would think myself as the most fortunate person, as ISKCON was the creation of His Divine Grace A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada, perhaps the greatest saint to walk the face of the earth in the 20th century. Believe me when I say this: had he not come with his tireless effort to implant Sanatana dharma and Vedic knowledge within the minds of all those outside of India, then it is doubtful that anyone outside of India would even have heard of the Vedas, what to speak of Jyotish. So far as the misgivings or transgressions of some of my godbrothers are concerned, each and every one of them will be accountable for the results of their actions. Those who follow the teachings of the Gaudiya Vaishnava parampara strictly, will attain the highest moksa, and there is no doubt about this. So instead of elaborating on the sins of some fallen disciples, and making this the epitaph of the society called ISKCON, maybe spend a little time to learn the history of the great good that the ISKCON devotees did in the period during Prabhupada's existence on this earth. But I agree that Silva, the gentleman who started this thread, wreaks with a bit of hate, wouldn't you agree? In that regard the message of oneness and acceptance is a very good and healing one. My best to you, With warm regards, Robert One final thing - what have I done to you to get the subject of this mail as ' - Curse Sanjay Rath'? Best wishes and warm regards, Sanjay Rath Personal: WebPages â— Rath’s Rhapsody SJC WebPages: Sri Jagannath Center â— SJCERC â— JIVA Publications: The Jyotish Digest â— Sagittarius Publications ---- sohamsa [ sohamsa ] On Behalf Of silva graduate Saturday, November 04, 2006 10:19 AM sohamsa Re: Fwd: RE: Trouble from Sons - Curse Sanjay Rath :Confidential This is rather a confidendial matter and I request this email be shared only with Sanjayji and you. I see that SJC is ISKCON similar line of thought, that means holds Sri Krsna as Supreme God. However, Veda ( samhita potions only genuine ) do not proclaim this view. Abhay Charan De and his followers always call the other Deities as demi-gods but this is only ISKCON point of view following ISKCON translation of Gita. Gita is purana, not shaastra, so it cannot surpass the Vedas which is the source of all knowledge. I myself understand some Upaya are very scienfitic and logical. All entities are under Navagraha ( at leaset in our Solar Systm ). So, if some people have Shani dosha, it is understandable that they must feed crows or serve old or homeless, black dogs, etc, since all entities are united in energy level ( Unified Field Theory ). But what I really have question is, that by chanting Navagraha mantra or going up the mountain in bear foot, which actually do not remedy any beings' suffering, that somehow our past eveil deeds are nullified. This common theorem propagated by Hindu astrologers have not answer the Law of Cause and Effect. Suppose someone killes others for money. Then in next or immidiate life, he must suffere poverty and violent death. How, by supplicating deities which do not have any authority to bend the Law of CAUSE AND EFFECT which even God cannot do, mitigate our sufffering. In other words, if we repent and do great works to help and heal all beings around us, our life become worthy and necessary for the existence. But many selfish men such as some fool who ask for a mantra for beauty which is abslultely childish ( in this forum ), believes by mumbling quasi Sanskrit words ( Sanskrit is very accurate language and must be enunciated properly ) advocates Navagraha mantras and other concocted works of post Mahabharata Hinduims. I for example chanted certain Navagraha mantra from morning to sunset without food, drink and toilet, compleated the numbers required, Nothing happened. My Tamil Brahmin friend ( real brahmin by birth and qualification and the works of charity ) also know many mantras and tested, but popular Navagraha tantrik mantras did not work ). I find, that the puja by proxy advocated by HIndus and Buddhists, Roman catholics have fundamentally selfish. One's own tapas is the key to lessen the karmic retribution, not some paid pujari who have no interest nor compassion for unknown men who send money from somewhere. I believe there are genuine Upaya. The best of all is to help children, women, animals and handicapped. But theere is no such remedies chanting mantras or going on to some mountain in India...not in the Vedas, BPHS and other ancient works of sages. I think Kali yuga, we all seek easy remediy. Indeed the qualified Vedic astrologers are vicar of Mahakala; they can discern life and death matter. But how few are those...I think we can count those in our hands. Another fundamental problem for praying to particular deity is this: Navagraha have been entrusted to execute the dispensation of karma. What authority some gods or goddesses have to override Navagraha? Bringing and quoting puranas cannot stand a logical argument. Saiva, Vaishnava, Shakta all have their supreme boooks which were written by their co-religioninsts who proclaims that their god is Supreme. The Vedas ( samhita ) do not proclaim these sectarian ideas. Another matter is, only when one repent so deeply and actively involve wealfare of others, there is real need for Universe to preserve his life even his karma be so evil. What power of curse normal human beings have, be they mothers, fathers, etc, who have no vak-siddhi at all. Pitri tarpana and all other false dogma which teaches we can do something for the dead is contrary to the Vedas ( samhita only. brahmana and other parts do not constitute the Vedas ). If someone can donate money to copulating and glutton pujari of mandir can the dead be escaope from damnation? This is Mayavadi teaching which is most prevalent in buddhist nations. Of all religions, nothing is so devastating to human spirit but the budhism. Mohammedanism is much better than nihilistic philosophy. Sans Dieu, pas spiritualite ( a word of great Quebecois devotee of Krsna ) So, what I am finding is, many physically living gurus of well known have some questionable practice.. I was greatly attached to a female guru from South India who does Jagadyatra... But her organisation starts more and more online puja,,,done by some pujari far away for money... Whan an American caucasian youth of 30s who is not even svami started conduct navagraha puja and homa ( ganapati homa , etc ) in the Evil Empire, I was devastated... Why this guru who is no doubt Kaliavatar allow her organisation do such buddhistic practicves... Many ISKCON gurus absconded with money and women, abused chuildren...documented facts. So is lier Mukrtananda of SYDA, so is Rajneesh, so is Ravishanker, Maheshi Yogi,,,,all shame of India who desecrated the Aryavarta by their evil ways... In other pantehons stands Bhagavan Ramakrsna, Bhagavan Shiridi Baba, Bhagavan Sathya Sai Baba......and countless unknown but genuine saints of Aryavarta.... The sincere ex-Indian born as foreigners is this: how to find a Sadguru and can settle and survive ( economically ) in India... Despite of evil Western and Mohamedan influence, still in India genuine saints lives, and innocent and loving Indians live... So, knowing I have only only 2 and half years before coming Sade Sathi, I must find a Sadguru who is not inudated by foreign devotees ( which makes sadhana impossible since they come to India as tourists ). I must find in colder climate, such as Chandigah, Simla, etc, a sadguru who can really guide me one on one in many Puja-viddhi.... But my fear is, as my chart indicates, that may be Lord Saturn is luring me into India so that He can totally annihilate me by ganged up by dacoits attack ( as per my chart ). Death is salvation to me. But I have a sacred Mission to sell my parental property and transfer money to safely India, instead of buddhist relatives and the Evil Government of Evil Empire taking money for themselv. I am the only son, and depite of my huge respects for Indian deities, I still am not married nor have children ( I am in my 40s ) I wonder, may be all of Indian lore are Indian hyperbole...But my pbservation of Jyotish and its accuracy tells me that the race who developed this Divine Science cannot be wrong...From a prostitute to multi-millionaire, all ages and all races I ahve interviewed, the charts exactly tells what they are...have been through.... So please realise this fact..Silvagraduate surrenders totaaly at the feet of All Vedic deities, Avatars, Rishis, Siddhas, Yogis and Sannyasins, and seeking their help but I am sinking deeply into the nefarious world of desparation... What remedial measures do you or Pandit Sanjayji consider effective, when the Yogakaraka RetrograteShani dev in his own house is directly opposed to by the badhaka lord Sun afflicted atmakaraka Mercury.. If I were to go down, I must at least do some good to the world but I cannot do that even for I have to fight so many battles for exitences, and I sense my life is totally useless for me and the world... But whart you say is true,,,All devata and navagraha are within...It is that Maya,s lid is so strong, we cannot really identify what we truly are....SatchitAnanda... I do not know where you are Souravji, but if you were in Aryavarta, God bless! That is the only land, together with the United States, that I found worhty for adoration and loyalty ( I lived all western EU nations and Switzerland but compare to these, India and USA are the only nations that have genuine Greatness ) I sometimes see many NRI people who left India and live in west, dress and act as westerners...Why do they want to imitate inferior cultures??? WHen the evltuion of souls comes to near end, all beings must turn to Aryavarta...the brahmin nation which rules the world from the beginning until the end of Time.. Sourav <souravc108 wrote: || Hare Raama Krsna || || Durgaa Saranam || Dear Silva-ji, namaskar. 1. When Lord (avataara) taken birth amongst us, it is not that they have done a bad karma out of ignorance. It is His sporting nature (lilaa) that he comes to us to keep us on the path of dharma (as stated by Sri Krsna in The Gita). You can say that birth/rebirth must be due to discharging some karma, then we can say that it is to discharge a heavy debt of the dharma of the Universe that Vishwapati incarnates Himself. Grahas are all within and we are not under 'control' of grahas; in true essence, we are under the control of our own ignorance. Grahas only bear the signatures of our evolutionary development i.e coming out and going back into ignorance of our True Nature. Lord is Sarvagna, Omniscient and hence cannot be under control of grahas. However, when Lord takes birth, the signatures in the sky corroborate that. That is why there are certain indications/yogas when Mahaapurushas come. Lord Visnu protected his devotee Naarada from marrying a beautiful girl and getting trapped in the mires of samsaara. Naarada didn't understand this true intent and cursed Lord Vishnu to suffer from a similar situation. That is why Lord Visnu took birth in form of Sri Raama (avataara) and sufferred the consequences and to keep the spoken word of this great devotee. 2. Upaayas are measures to rectify what is already wrong. If you have a slow car and take the main road, then you will reach destination after a long time. But if you look into the map (bhavishyat) and try to chart a new route and turn the steering appropriately, you will perhaps take a different route than what you were about to and reach the destination with a little less trouble. A huge natural force and long period of time is needed to build a mountain of rocks. But with a few sticks of dynamite and controlled explosions, that mountain (of karma ) can be brought down. Only a true Daivagna or jyotishi is an expert as to tell you where in the cracks and crevices of the mountain you should plant the few dynamite sticks. Otherwise, explosions will be futile or will not provide satisfactory result. The strength of explosion is the strength of your faith. So if you don't have faith then inspite of strategically locating those sticks of dynamite, the mountain of karma cannot be crumbled. So have faith in remedial measures. Above all, have faith in God as He will take you in the right path. As Thakur used to say, the wind (of grace of God) is always blowing, we have to unfurl our sails (faith) and take advantage of it. Thakur also taught to test a Guru and only take refuge in him after verifying that he is a guru of high caliber. Best wishes, Sourav =============================================================================================================== sohamsa , silva graduate <silvagraduate wrote: > > If the Lord Rama also were under Navagraha control, I really wonder what is the effective ness of the remedies propagated here. It seems most of Upayas are not really tested by the people who is giving advices. > > for example. if Sade Sathi is lessened by going to some mountain and going upon the hill on feet, what that recompense the sins committed by the one suffereing? > > In other words, if the past evil karma is nullified by going mountain, feeding crows, it fundamentally violates the law of justice. What one does, one receives. To advice without due consideration many remedies seems teh Buddhistic trap, I mean charging money to propitiate ancenstors, etc., these unVedic practices that killed vedic civilisation and corrputed all buddhists nations. > > Sincere remedies are to do seva at hostpitals, nursing homes, orphanages,,,instead of doing active good, what good does it do if one prays this god and that goddess, go on mountain on feet or not. > > > > Sanjay Rath sanjayrath wrote: >  > > | om gurave namah | > Dear Venkatesh > Mula dasa shows the aperational period of the curse and that does not mean that it ends when the operation is over. For example when Sri Rama lost Sita during the operation of the curse during Saturn mula dasa, He got Her back but then even after that Saturn came in the form of a washerman and He again lost Sita. So the curse continued to operate. A lot depends on the nature of the curse and how it shall function. Continued remedy is the only panacea against strong curses. > Best wishes and warm regards, > Sanjay Rath > > Personal: WebPages â— Rath’s â„¢s Rhapsody > SJC WebPages: Sri Jagannath Center â— SJCERC â— JIVJIVA > Publications: The Jyotish Digest â— Sagittarius Publications > ---- > > > > > > sohamsa [ sohamsa ] On Behalf Of Venkatesh S > Tuesday, October 24, 2006 5:06 PM > sohamsa > Cc: guruji > Re: Fwd: RE: Trouble from Sons - Curse Sanjay Rath > > > > |JAI SRIRAM| > > Dear Guruji, > > From the Moola dasa of Saturn the operative period of the curse ended on 23-sep-2000.Still the curse is there and the remedy is required. > > Regards, > S.Venkatesh > > Sanjay Rathguruji wrote: sohamsa , " Sanjay Rath " wrote: > > > > > om gurave namah > Dear Srinivasa > Curse of Guru is responsible for this as children and welath and > happiness > is lost. Propitiation of Lord Shiva with the Shiva Sahasranama is > one of the > solutions. Alternatively the native should regularly recite mantras > to > propitiate Dakshinamurty. > With Best Wishes & Warm Regards, > Sanjay Rath > WebPages: > SJC: http://.org > Personal: http://srath.com > Long Distance Lessons: http://jiva.us > Publications & Books: http://sagittariuspublications.com > > > sohamsa [ sohamsa ] On > Behalf Of > padmanu > Monday, September 11, 2006 9:25 PM > sohamsa > Trouble from Sons - Curse > > Om Gurave Namah > > Dear Guruvarya, > > Namasthe. Please look at the following chart of gentleman who is > suffering > on account of both his sons. He retired from a well respected > government > job. Though he did not have good education himself rose to a good > position > before his retirement(Moon in the 10th Meena). > Both his sons are not very well educated. First is a govt school > teacher, > and has changed after marriage. Does not heed to father and is > trying take > his father's wealth( this is after marriage). > Second son has become wayward right from when he was around 14. He > left > education and became a police home guard, but it is temporary. > He > has married a muslim girl and recently became a drunkard. Indebted > to others > etc. > I see a curse involved in 4th house on Guru and Ravi(??) from graha > dristi > from Kuja in first and Sani in 2nd. Also is there a 4th house dristi > from > Rahu? > > Is Surya the Putrakaraka giving curse or/and Guru the Pitrukaraka > giving > curse. This person also had trouble from his father, who was opposed > to him > when he married a women from another caste. > Trouble from his second started when the Moola dasa of his > Atmakaraka Budha > had started. > > I am assuming since the curse is in the 4th house a kendra it may be > reduced > by propitiation. > > I request the Gurujan on this board to please guide me in > understanding the > chart and also any remedies that I can convey to the native. > > This is my humble request with folded hands to one and all. > > Pranam > > Om Sree Lakshmi Narayanaya Namah > > Srinivasa > > Native - Varada Rajagopala Rao > > Natal Chart > > September 22, 1945 > Time: 23:24:00 > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT) > Place: 80 E 05' 00 " , 15 N 09' 00 " > Altitude: 0.00 meters > > Lunar Yr-Mo: Parthiva - Bhadrapada > Tithi: Krishna Dwitiya (Mo) (96.60% left) > Vedic Weekday: Saturday (Sa) > Nakshatra: Revati (Me) (84.98% left) > Yoga: Vriddhi (Me) (13.02% left) > Karana: Taitula (Me) (93.21% left) > Hora Lord: Sun (5 min sign: Sc) > Mahakala Hora: Sun (5 min sign: Vi) > Kaala Lord: Venus (Mahakala: Venus) > > Sunrise: 6:02:05 > Sunset: 18:02:51 > Janma Ghatis: 43.4135 > > Ayanamsa: 23-05-39.43 > Sidereal Time: 23:19:14 > > > > > > > > ! om tat sat ! > Footnotes: > 1. Let us share our thoughts and knowledge like the Sun God Surya > shares his > light with the entire planet, without bias and without emotions. Let > us rise > in praise to that supreme significator of the soul of all creatures. > 2. You don't have to reply if you feel that there is a waste of > energy. Use > the energy given by Surya well. > 3. This mail is just another view, and who else other than Surya > Himself > knows the perfect truth. So say - om tat sat. > 4. The contents above are the views of one individual and do not > represent > the groups views nor that of the group owner. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 1, 2006 Report Share Posted December 1, 2006  Namaste learned friends, Let me give my 2 cents of ramblings on one point made by a friend and some other related spiritual matters. Please bear with my non-coherence here. I am writing after a long time and want to cover a few different things. Before I forget, one small point. Moon in Taurus and Sun, Mars and Jupiter in Scorpio will be aspecting each other during Sunday-Tuesday. This is a good time for sadhana. * * * Before I go on a rambling spree, I need to address one specific point. > >But what I really have question is, that by > >chanting Navagraha mantra or going up the > >mountain in bear foot, which actually do not > >remedy any beings' suffering, that somehow our past eveil deeds are nullified.> >> >This common theorem propagated by Hindu > >astrologers have not answer the Law of Cause and > >Effect. Suppose someone killes others for money. > >Then in next or immidiate life, he must suffere poverty and violent death. Let me respectfully state that you have a very limited view on what beings are out there and what they are experiencing. If I mentally chant the Vedic mantra of a planet with perfect swaram for 8 hours continuously, do you think no beings are affected by it? First of all, even going by material subjects such as modern science, there are millions or billions of beings (microbodies) within our physical bodies. Secondly, if you go beyond material subjects and accept spiritual experience as a pramaana, the entire universe and all gods are within. Rishis taught that all the worlds, all the deities and all the beings exist within one's sushumna nadi. Of course, our sleepy self-awareness is limited to bhooloka (moolaadhaara chakra) and hence we do not perceive all this normally. But, it is possible to actually experience that various lokas and devas are within oneself. Unfortunately, it cannot be experienced by everybody, because waking up one's sleepy self-awareness and purifying it is difficult, and hence science will not accept it. Whether you accept that the entire universe is within or not, the bottomline is that there are so many beings within us. They are affected by our thoughts and the chemicals (at the gross level) and energies (at the subtle level) produced by those thoughts. Each thought and action of ours changes the lives of so many beings that are within us! It may be mind-boggling to think of this, but it is so true. Vedic mantras are special and chanting them creates specific energy patterns in various energy centers and channels of the body. So, of course, they have the potential to "remedy some beings' suffering" (suffering of millions of beings that live within us). Mantra involves sound or vibration. This vibration is not just of particles at sthoola sareera (gross) level, but at sookshma sareera and kaarana sareera level also. The vibration produced by the physical sound (vaikhari) coming out of physical mouth (sthoola sareera) is only the gross aspect of the sabda. The subtle vibrations produced by imagery in the mind and thoughts are as important (if not more important). Out of the four divisions of sabda, vaikhari is the least important. Madhyama, Pasyanti and Para are increasingly important. When a great maharshi chants a Vedic mantra even a few times, such a harmonious blend of the vibrations is produced at various levels (sthoola/sookshma/kaarana/mahaakaarana sareeras) that paraa level of sabda is so strong that strong vibrations are created by it in the mahaakaarana sareera. Thus, the entire universe can vibrate to the mantra! * * * > >I for example chanted certain Navagraha mantra > >from morning to sunset without food, drink and > >toilet, compleated the numbers required, Nothing happened. If one sowed a seed and a plant did not come, may be one did something wrong. May be one did not put enough water. May be there wasn't enough sunlight. May be one did not wait enough time. You cannot conclude that this seed does not give a plant. If you read a graha mantra and nothing happened, may be you were imperfect. First of all, try a Vedic mantra. Second of all, try to perfect the intonation. Third of all, try to focus all your conscious and sub-conscious energies on the mantra or deity and produce the correct vibrations at all levels. If you succeed even 1% in that, Vedic mantras do produce tremendous results. Even a fool like me who knows not much has seen the power of these Vedic mantras. Another thing: The results of properly chanted Vedic mantras may sometimes be something you have not expected! She (or He, if you prefer) knows what should be given when. We are like small children who don't know what is good for us and bad for us and She is like the mother of children. Sometimes, a child may not like what mother gives or does, but mother knows the best. When a small baby has an upset stomach, mother may forcefully put her finger at the base of the tongue and provoke a vomiting. The child may hate this act, but this may make his suffering less after one final suffering. Similarly, some properly done Vedic remedies sometimes bring one big trouble (like the vomiting) and much relief later. Also, one bad karma may be blocking a lot of good karmas and the planet may have to force the fructification of the bad karma before many good karmas fructify. In fact, whenever I did intense sadhana for navagrahas (especially Mars) using Vedic mantras, there was immediate suffering for a few days before really good results. In fact, I try to not even distinguish between the two and try to consider both as Her blessings. They really are. As astrologers, we keep recommending remedies to people who are materially inclined and want temporary relief (so-called) from temporary troubles (so-called). But, it is also a good idea to increase devotion and sthita-pragnyata that makes people not distinguish between pleasure and sadness. * * * Regarding one supreme God: The potential to manifest (Brahman) is ONE and it fills the entire universe, known as Brahmanda (anda=egg, i.e. potential to manifest). Brahman alone exists, Brahman alone is supreme and Brahman alone is unlimited and beyond attributes. Each manifestation of Brahman is limited and has attributes (gunas etc). Brahma, Vishnu, Shiva, Indra, Agni, Vaayu etc are all different _limited_ manifestations of Brahman with various attributes. Though they are all limied, a rishi can see the unlimited Brahman in all of them. A rishi is capable of _seeing_ that everything that exists is actually Brahman only. When he worships Vishnu, he actually sees Vishnu not as a limited manifestation with certain attributes but as Brahman and hence lauds that Vishnu is supreme and beyond attributes and that everything and every deity is a different manifestation of Vishnu only. For example, Narayana Sooktam says "sa brahma sa shivah sa harih". Similarly, when a rishi worships Ganapathi, he actually sees Ganapathi not as a limied manifestation with certain attributes but as Brahman and hence lauds that Ganapathi is supreme and beyond attributes and that everything and every deity is a different manifestation of Ganapathi only. For example, Ganapathi Atharva Seersham says "tvam brahma tvam vishnus-tvam rudras-tvam...". You see similar assertions in Vedic literature with respect to various deities. It is not that rishis are lying. It is that they are in such exalted state that they see Brahman in whichever deity they are contemplating. In fact, a rishi in sahaja samadhi state can see Brahman in everything. * * * That one God who manifestaed differently is the unmanifested supreme potentiality. He/She/It has no attributes (which come with only a specific manifestation) and normally known as Brahman. When the final goal of a journey has no description, one may describe it based on the path taken in the journey. Similarly, those who worshipped Vishnu and finally reached Brahman through Vishnu describe Brahman as Narayana and attribute some of Vishnu's gunas to Brahman, though Brahman has no gunas. Those who worshipped Shiva and finally reached Brahman through Shiva describe Brahman as Sadashiva and attribute some of Shiva's gunas to Brahman though Brahman has no gunas. All the fights about the superiority of deities that occurred in the past are meaningless. Brahman is ONE and Brahman alone is. Whether you reach Brahman through Vishnu or Shiva or whoever, Brahman you reach is identical. So worship whichever deity you are attracted to. Try to reach Him/Her. If you are so inclined and believe in the One source of all divinity (Brahman), try to reach Brahman through whichever deity you worship. The paths are many, but the final goal is the same. Ekam sat vipraa bahudhaa vadanti. All religions and spiritual paths offer valid paths to Brahman. Allah is not different from Brahman, but the path taught by some Islamic teachers to Allah may be different from some paths Hindus know to Brahman. The advantage of aarsha dharma is that rishis have experimented and given some easy paths. If you don't want it easy and want to take a difficult path also, that is fine and good in a way. But, if you want an easy path, try to follow rishis and use some Vedic mantras. * * * I have recently uploaded Mahaganapathi Homam audio and a 25-page manual on my webpage (link below). This is a simple procedure that takes less than an hour and do-able on a daily or weekly basis. I do a one-hour homam everyday and can tell you based on my own experience that a daily homam is great for spiritual sadhana. When bhootaagni burning in sookshma sareera is weak, nadis have impurities and energy flow has obstructions, then most other sadhanas you may be doing will not yield much result. Homam as a sadhana is a very effective in increasing bhootaagni, purifying nadis and removing obstructions to energy flow. If one is already a realized soul like Buddha, homam may be unnecessary. But, for the confused souls of Kali Yuga, it is a very effective method. Just like with any sadhana, regularity increases effect in homam too. I encourage people interested in the Vedic path to make a small homam (one hour or half hour or atleast 15 min) a part of their daily spiritual sadhana. After doing it for a few months, you will realize that it will make all your other sadhanas (such as japam) much more effective. Those of you who are more learned must forgive me if you find mistakes in what I am teaching. Instead of teaching a complicated procedure that turns people off, I believe in simplifying it so that people benefit from it. Moreover, I have retained most important steps and this is an almost authentic Vedic agnimukham. Some people believe that Vedic agnimukham based homas cannot be performed by everybody and hence recommend Tantrik homas. I am inspired by Saint Gnyaanadeva, who asserted that each being has the right to recite Veda and made a buffalo recite Veda in front of arrogant scholars who forbade him from reciting Veda. I like the Vedic method and hence teach it to every interested person. May those who disagree with me ignore me. * * * I will be off from the lists again. BTW, I am not reading any of these . If you need my attention, please send a private mail. But, unfortunately, I am getting only 10 min everyday to read and reply to mails and I get a lot of mails. My sincere apologies if I am unable to help you. Please don't take offense. Even if I cannot help you directly, I will be praying to Mother to somehow give direction to everybody who sought direction from me and failed to get a response from me. May the light of Brahman shine within,Narasimha-------------------------------Homam manual and audio: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homamFree Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.netFree Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org------------------------------- > Om Gurave Namah> > Dear Sanjay,> > Sahasra namaskara -> > This is indeed an interesting thread, and I too > was taken aback by the "Curse Sanjay Rath" > subject title of it. I had been away for some > time, but just caught this today. Anyway, I > would like a bit of clarification on the > following that you wrote, and would be grateful for your elaboration:> > You wrote:> > >God and demi-god is a concept developed for some > >cult thinking and htere are no demi-gods. There > >isnonly one God and men call that one by many > >names which is man's weakness, and not that of god.> > To my knowledge, as learned from my guru, God is > indeed one but manifested variously. For the > sake of some very important universal functions, > some of the jivas play important roles, such as > Brahma in creation, Indra in protection, > etc. These jivas are described in the > Bhagavad-gita as "Devas," and are definitely a > distinction that God, Sri Krsna makes > Himself. Do you recall the verse from > Bhagavad-gita, "Devan deva-yajo yanti, mad bhakta > yanti mam api," or "Those who worship the devas > (demigods) go to the planets of the demigods > (after death), whereas those who worship Me, come > to Me."? So the concept of God and demigod > (almighty, and His empowered parts and parcels) > is not something of a cult thinking, but rather > that of the Lord Himself. But you know this, > don't you, and am I not preaching to the choir here?> > So far as many names of God, yes there are > infinite names, and these are mentioned in > various scriptures to describe but a minute > fraction of His immense potencies and Lilas. Why > is the awareness of various names of God > indicative of man's weakness? Further, in ISKCON > the infinite names of God as described in various > scriptures are known, recited, and worshipped, > yet indeed the distinction between God and > demigod is taught as well. Where did you get the > idea that ISKCON devotees only knew or worshipped one or two names of God?> > >Why do you hate ISKCON? I have heard one elder > >sadhu telling that God sends you to be born in > >the lands of those you fight against, in the > >religion of those you hate, in the houses of > >those who have a debt to repay to you!!! I am > >sure you don't want to be reborn as an ISKCON > >member nor as a buddhist. So my humble > >submission is that you should love ISKCON and > >love Buddhists, then you can stay away from them forever!!!> > If I had the chance to take birth a million times > as a member of ISKCON, I would think myself as > the most fortunate person, as ISKCON was the > creation of His Divine Grace A.C. Bhaktivedanta > Swami Prabhupada, perhaps the greatest saint to > walk the face of the earth in the 20th > century. Believe me when I say this: had he not > come with his tireless effort to implant Sanatana > dharma and Vedic knowledge within the minds of > all those outside of India, then it is doubtful > that anyone outside of India would even have > heard of the Vedas, what to speak of Jyotish. So > far as the misgivings or transgressions of some > of my godbrothers are concerned, each and every > one of them will be accountable for the results > of their actions. Those who follow the teachings > of the Gaudiya Vaishnava parampara strictly, will > attain the highest moksa, and there is no doubt > about this. So instead of elaborating on the > sins of some fallen disciples, and making this > the epitaph of the society called ISKCON, maybe > spend a little time to learn the history of the > great good that the ISKCON devotees did in the > period during Prabhupada's existence on this earth.> > But I agree that Silva, the gentleman who started > this thread, wreaks with a bit of hate, wouldn't > you agree? In that regard the message of oneness > and acceptance is a very good and healing one.> > My best to you,> With warm regards,> Robert> > > > >One final thing - what have I done to you to get > >the subject of this mail as ' - Curse Sanjay Rath'?> >Best wishes and warm regards,> >Sanjay Rath> >> >Personal: <http://srath.com/blog/>WebPages â— > ><http://srath.com/blog/>Rath’s Rhapsody> >SJC WebPages: <http://.org/>Sri > >Jagannath Center â— <http://sjcerc.com/>SJCERC â— <http://jiva.us/>JIVA> >Publications: <http://thejyotishdigest.com/>The > >Jyotish Digest â— > ><http://sagittariuspublications.com/>Sagittarius Publications> >----> >> >> >> >----------> >sohamsa > >[sohamsa ] On Behalf Of silva graduate> >Saturday, November 04, 2006 10:19 AM> >sohamsa > >Re: Fwd: RE: Trouble from > >Sons - Curse Sanjay Rath :Confidential> >> >This is rather a confidendial matter and I > >request this email be shared only with Sanjayji and you.> >> >I see that SJC is ISKCON similar line of > >thought, that means holds Sri Krsna as Supreme God.> >> >However, Veda ( samhita potions only genuine ) > >do not proclaim this view. Abhay Charan De and > >his followers always call the other Deities as > >demi-gods but this is only ISKCON point of view > >following ISKCON translation of Gita. Gita is > >purana, not shaastra, so it cannot surpass the > >Vedas which is the source of all knowledge.> >> >I myself understand some Upaya are very > >scienfitic and logical. All entities are under > >Navagraha ( at leaset in our Solar Systm ). > >So, if some people have Shani dosha, it is > >understandable that they must feed crows or > >serve old or homeless, black dogs, etc, since > >all entities are united in energy level ( Unified Field Theory ).> >> >But what I really have question is, that by > >chanting Navagraha mantra or going up the > >mountain in bear foot, which actually do not > >remedy any beings' suffering, that somehow our past eveil deeds are nullified.> >> >This common theorem propagated by Hindu > >astrologers have not answer the Law of Cause and > >Effect. Suppose someone killes others for money. > >Then in next or immidiate life, he must suffere poverty and violent death.> >> >How, by supplicating deities which do not have > >any authority to bend the Law of CAUSE AND > >EFFECT which even God cannot do, mitigate our sufffering.> >> >In other words, if we repent and do great works > >to help and heal all beings around us, our life > >become worthy and necessary for the existence.> >> >But many selfish men such as some fool who ask > >for a mantra for beauty which is abslultely > >childish ( in this forum ), believes by mumbling > >quasi Sanskrit words ( Sanskrit is very accurate > >language and must be enunciated properly > >) advocates Navagraha mantras and other > >concocted works of post Mahabharata Hinduims.> >> >I for example chanted certain Navagraha mantra > >from morning to sunset without food, drink and > >toilet, compleated the numbers required, Nothing happened.> >> >My Tamil Brahmin friend ( real brahmin by birth > >and qualification and the works of charity ) > >also know many mantras and tested, but popular > >Navagraha tantrik mantras did not work ).> >> >I find, that the puja by proxy advocated by > >HIndus and Buddhists, Roman catholics have > >fundamentally selfish. One's own tapas is the > >key to lessen the karmic retribution, not some > >paid pujari who have no interest nor compassion > >for unknown men who send money from somewhere.> >> >I believe there are genuine Upaya. The best of > >all is to help children, women, animals and handicapped.> >> >But theere is no such remedies chanting mantras > >or going on to some mountain in India...not in > >the Vedas, BPHS and other ancient works of sages.> >> >I think Kali yuga, we all seek easy remediy.> >> >Indeed the qualified Vedic astrologers are vicar > >of Mahakala; they can discern life and death > >matter. But how few are those...I think we can count those in our hands.> >> >> >Another fundamental problem for praying to particular deity is this:> >> >Navagraha have been entrusted to execute the > >dispensation of karma. What authority some gods > >or goddesses have to override Navagraha?> >> >Bringing and quoting puranas cannot stand a > >logical argument. Saiva, Vaishnava, Shakta all > >have their supreme boooks which were written by > >their co-religioninsts who proclaims that their god is Supreme.> >> >The Vedas ( samhita ) do not proclaim these sectarian ideas.> >> >Another matter is, only when one repent so > >deeply and actively involve wealfare of others, > >there is real need for Universe to preserve his life even his karma be so evil.> >> >What power of curse normal human beings have, be > >they mothers, fathers, etc, who have no > >vak-siddhi at all. Pitri tarpana and all other > >false dogma which teaches we can do something > >for the dead is contrary to the Vedas ( samhita > >only. brahmana and other parts do not constitute the Vedas ).> >> >If someone can donate money to copulating and > >glutton pujari of mandir can the dead be escaope > >from damnation? This is Mayavadi teaching which > >is most prevalent in buddhist nations.> >> >Of all religions, nothing is so devastating to > >human spirit but the budhism. Mohammedanism is > >much better than nihilistic philosophy.> >> >Sans Dieu, pas spiritualite ( a word of great Quebecois devotee of Krsna )> >> >So, what I am finding is, many physically living > >gurus of well known have some questionable practice..> >> >I was greatly attached to a female guru from > >South India who does Jagadyatra... But her > >organisation starts more and more online > >puja,,,done by some pujari far away for money...> >> >Whan an American caucasian youth of 30s who is > >not even svami started conduct navagraha puja > >and homa ( ganapati homa , etc ) in the Evil > >Empire, I was devastated... Why this guru who is > >no doubt Kaliavatar allow her organisation do such buddhistic practicves...> >> >Many ISKCON gurus absconded with money and > >women, abused chuildren...documented facts. So > >is lier Mukrtananda of SYDA, so is Rajneesh, so > >is Ravishanker, Maheshi Yogi,,,,all shame of > >India who desecrated the Aryavarta by their evil ways...> >> >In other pantehons stands Bhagavan Ramakrsna, > >Bhagavan Shiridi Baba, Bhagavan Sathya Sai > >Baba......and countless unknown but genuine saints of Aryavarta....> >> >The sincere ex-Indian born as foreigners is this:> >> >how to find a Sadguru and can settle and survive ( economically ) in India...> >> >Despite of evil Western and Mohamedan influence, > >still in India genuine saints lives, and innocent and loving Indians live...> >> >So, knowing I have only only 2 and half years > >before coming Sade Sathi, I must find a Sadguru > >who is not inudated by foreign devotees ( which > >makes sadhana impossible since they come to India as tourists ).> >> >I must find in colder climate, such as > >Chandigah, Simla, etc, a sadguru who can > >really guide me one on one in many Puja-viddhi....> >> >But my fear is, as my chart indicates, that may > >be Lord Saturn is luring me into India so that > >He can totally annihilate me by ganged up by > >dacoits attack ( as per my chart ).> >> >Death is salvation to me. But I have a sacred > >Mission to sell my parental property and > >transfer money to safely India, instead of > >buddhist relatives and the Evil Government of > >Evil Empire taking money for themselv.> >> >I am the only son, and depite of my huge > >respects for Indian deities, I still am not > >married nor have children ( I am in my 40s )> >> >I wonder, may be all of Indian lore are Indian > >hyperbole...But my pbservation of Jyotish and > >its accuracy tells me that the race who > >developed this Divine Science cannot be > >wrong...From a prostitute to multi-millionaire, > >all ages and all races I ahve interviewed, the > >charts exactly tells what they are...have been through....> >> >So please realise this fact..Silvagraduate > >surrenders totaaly at the feet of All Vedic > >deities, Avatars, Rishis, Siddhas, Yogis and > >Sannyasins, and seeking their help but I am > >sinking deeply into the nefarious world of desparation...> >> >What remedial measures do you or Pandit Sanjayji > >consider effective, when the Yogakaraka > >RetrograteShani dev in his own house is directly > >opposed to by the badhaka lord Sun afflicted atmakaraka Mercury..> >> >If I were to go down, I must at least do some > >good to the world but I cannot do that even for > >I have to fight so many battles for exitences, > >and I sense my life is totally useless for me and the world...> >> >But whart you say is true,,,All devata and > >navagraha are within...It is that Maya,s lid is > >so strong, we cannot really identify what we truly are....SatchitAnanda...> >> >I do not know where you are Souravji, but if you > >were in Aryavarta, God bless! That is the only > >land, together with the United States, that I > >found worhty for adoration and loyalty ( I lived > >all western EU nations and Switzerland but > >compare to these, India and USA are the only > >nations that have genuine Greatness )> >> >I sometimes see many NRI people who left India > >and live in west, dress and act as > >westerners...Why do they want to imitate inferior cultures???> >> >WHen the evltuion of souls comes to near end, > >all beings must turn to Aryavarta...the brahmin > >nation which rules the world from the beginning until the end of Time.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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