Opinion against Astrology by prominent Astropysicist - Jayant Narlikar

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Namaste Sri HemantI call it scientific superstition! I agree to your concerns but instead of warring with them, we should make efforts to put the " House of Astrology " in order. 1.By recording and categorizing research

2.By bringing and cataloging all ancient texts and modern books under one roof.3.By going to hospitals, schools, colleges, work places, etc to collect data of the diseased and cataloging this birth data as per disease, work areas, study interests, sports abilities, etc. 4. By making this information freely accessible by all astrologers.5. By tying up with corporates for funding research in human behavior for assessment and evaluation of work ethics and success in career.6. By rewarding and recognizing astrologers and protecting their copyrighted works.

Imagine a research which would have:1. Methods and principles used.2. References given of those principles in ancient texts3. Reference of their use by fellow astrologers4. Test results on 200 charts in proper tabulated form.

5. Dasha employed... citing reasons for choice of dasha6. and so on and so forth. 7. Limitations of such a method8. Proper conclusion on why this method worked or failed. 9. Possible Avenues of further research.

How many hands do I see up now? Thanks and RegardsBharatOn 11/25/06, Agnyeya <agnyeya

> wrote:

 

 

 

 

Dear Bharatji,

 

While I am personally fine with people who do not understand or accept astrology, it pains me that one such as Mr. Narlikar, would write an article on the same (without proper investigation, I am sure, and without any supporting facts as is evident in the article.)

 

The bigger problem being that such an individual's opinions are taken seriously and at a time when our past divine knowledge is not being propagated, discounting it so frivolously is hurting the human race et al. And therein lie my concerns.

 

 

Humble Regards,

Hemant Desai

 

 

Bharat Hindu Astrology <hinduastrology wrote:

Namaste Sri Hemant

 

If one is taught to look out, one cannot look within. If one is to accept

the waking world to be the only reality, then, 60% of our lives of dreaming,

deep sleeping and day dreaming is not accounted for. If one is foolish not

to see the whole picture and arrogant enough to misreport it, then, we

should understand the level of a person's thinking. Why would you even want

such a person to accept Astrology?

 

Astrology is a science and beyond. To measure it terms of scientific-ness,

would be like measuring an ocean using buckets. Such foolishness abounds in

this world. Let it abound.

 

Scientists are themselves groping in darkness. Ask them a basic question -

" Who are you? " and watch them going mad trying to explain it.

 

Thanks and Regards

Bharat

 

On 11/24/06, Agnyeya <agnyeya wrote:

>

> Dear All,

>

> Recently an article appeared in the Times of India, Mumbai edition on the

> 17th Nov 2006, providing URL for the online version here (

> http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/462734.cms) which goes on

 

> to state that Astrology is irrelevant.

> While I have come across this opinion by people before, it pains me a lot

> to see when a prominent astrophyicist (a scientest at that), Jayant

> Narlikar, has chosen to close his mind to the possibilty of Astrology, at a

> time when the fundamentals of Astrology are Astronomy and Mathematics.

>

> Humble Regards,

> Hemant Desai

>

>

>

> Agnyeya@ Planet Earth

>

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Dear Bharatji,

 

This is a great approach!

 

When do we begin?

 

Count me in.

 

Regards,

 

Souvik

 

sohamsa , " Bharat Hindu Astrology "

<hinduastrology wrote:

>

> Namaste Sri Hemant

>

> I call it scientific superstition!

>

> I agree to your concerns but instead of warring with them, we

should make

> efforts to put the " House of Astrology " in order.

>

> 1.By recording and categorizing research

> 2.By bringing and cataloging all ancient texts and modern books

under one

> roof.

> 3.By going to hospitals, schools, colleges, work places, etc to

collect data

> of the diseased and cataloging this birth data as per disease,

work areas,

> study interests, sports abilities, etc.

> 4. By making this information freely accessible by all astrologers.

> 5. By tying up with corporates for funding research in human

behavior for

> assessment and evaluation of work ethics and success in career.

> 6. By rewarding and recognizing astrologers and protecting their

copyrighted

> works.

>

> Imagine a research which would have:

> 1. Methods and principles used.

> 2. References given of those principles in ancient texts

> 3. Reference of their use by fellow astrologers

> 4. Test results on 200 charts in proper tabulated form.

> 5. Dasha employed... citing reasons for choice of dasha

> 6. and so on and so forth.

> 7. Limitations of such a method

> 8. Proper conclusion on why this method worked or failed.

> 9. Possible Avenues of further research.

>

> How many hands do I see up now?

>

> Thanks and Regards

> Bharat

>

>

>

> On 11/25/06, Agnyeya <agnyeya wrote:

> >

> > Dear Bharatji,

> >

> > While I am personally fine with people who do not understand or

accept

> > astrology, it pains me that one such as Mr. Narlikar, would

write an article

> > on the same (without proper investigation, I am sure, and

without any

> > supporting facts as is evident in the article.)

> > The bigger problem being that such an individual's opinions are

taken

> > seriously and at a time when our past divine knowledge is not

being

> > propagated, discounting it so frivolously is hurting the human

race et al.

> > And therein lie my concerns.

> >

> > Humble Regards,

> > Hemant Desai

> >

> >

> >

> > Bharat Hindu Astrology <hinduastrology<hinduastrology%

40gmail.com>>

> > wrote:

> > Namaste Sri Hemant

> >

> > If one is taught to look out, one cannot look within. If one is

to accept

> > the waking world to be the only reality, then, 60% of our lives

of

> > dreaming,

> > deep sleeping and day dreaming is not accounted for. If one is

foolish not

> > to see the whole picture and arrogant enough to misreport it,

then, we

> > should understand the level of a person's thinking. Why would

you even

> > want

> > such a person to accept Astrology?

> >

> > Astrology is a science and beyond. To measure it terms of

scientific-ness,

> > would be like measuring an ocean using buckets. Such foolishness

abounds

> > in

> > this world. Let it abound.

> >

> > Scientists are themselves groping in darkness. Ask them a basic

question -

> > " Who are you? " and watch them going mad trying to explain it.

> >

> > Thanks and Regards

> > Bharat

> >

> > On 11/24/06, Agnyeya <agnyeya <agnyeya%40>> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear All,

> > >

> > > Recently an article appeared in the Times of India, Mumbai

edition on

> > the

> > > 17th Nov 2006, providing URL for the online version here (

> > > http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/462734.cms)

which goes on

> > > to state that Astrology is irrelevant.

> > > While I have come across this opinion by people before, it

pains me a

> > lot

> > > to see when a prominent astrophyicist (a scientest at that),

Jayant

> > > Narlikar, has chosen to close his mind to the possibilty of

Astrology,

> > at a

> > > time when the fundamentals of Astrology are Astronomy and

Mathematics.

> > >

> > > Humble Regards,

> > > Hemant Desai

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Agnyeya@ Planet Earth

> > >

> > >

> > >

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Dear Bharatji,

I normally find myself agreeing with you on virtually everything

you say, and even in this case, I agree with your overall

conclusion. However, I disagree with what is the decisive method by

which astrology will become a widely respectable science.

 

I have looked at a number of sciences, and I find that they come to

be accepted and respected only after the establishment of a

solid " gold " standard which people must meet in order to call

themselves a practitioner of the science. It is this gold standard

that astrology is missing.

 

Look at any field. In the US, for medicine, it is the MD degree

which has a tight standardized entrance exam, and a well controlled

completion requirement, fulfilment of which allows one to practice

medicine. The same holds for law. In engineering, it is somewhat

more flexible, but the extremely competitive market for the

consumers of engineering intellect ensures quality. The same for

business (i.e. the extremely competitive market ensures quality,

rather than the " standardization " of the MBA).

 

So rather than focussing efforts on the methods of astrological

research, leave them as a natural consequence of the establishment

of a tight standardization procedure that appoints who is an

astrologer and who is not. What is really required is an astrologers

SAT (or MCAT or GMAT or GRE). It should be an unbiased examination

open to anyone, and the examination itself should be objectively

gradable. Meaning that the answers to the questions should be

gradable by someone who isnt an astrologer. For example, if you

provide 2 birthtimes and ask the question one of these 2 people died

on so-and-so date, which one (of course the examiner must make sure

only one person died at the given date)? Grading of this question is

not hard at all, since the examiner already knows the answer, but

the person being examined must use astrology. If you have 50 such

questions in an exam, grading the exam is a five minute objective

process, although taking it may be much longer. And you cannot get

all 50 answers correct unless you know astrology (by simple laws of

probability).

 

The establishment, principled administration and popularization of

such an exam annually, will, in time, lead to a breed of quality

astrologers (the ones who score well), who will recognize each other

and automatically create powerful peer review standards of their own

for astrological research. Their quality will also lead people to

respect them, and eventually the science as well.

 

This is the problem with astrology today. Even the SJC, which seems

to have done a lot for astrology, hasnt gone far enough to establish

or administer such an open exam. Currently, a guru can nominate his

students as gurus as well. There is lots of room for nepotism. I am

not saying that this (nepotism) is what is happening at SJC. I have

no idea. I'm just saying that its rules do not preclude such

occurrence. Consequently, this kind of organization cannot scale

i.e. it can only produce good astrologers while it is small - not

when it becomes large, or when the honest enthusiasm of the founders

has become dulled because of the sheer numbers of students or simply

over the generations.

 

In the world as it is today, while parampara can certainly

communicate the best knowledge, in order to ensure that only the

best paramparas remain, there must be the establishment of an exam

which is at the same time independent of paramparas, yet assists

them by evaluating the astrologers they produce.

 

That is the only way, in my humble opinion. Otherwise, the Jayant

Narlikars will always have stinging comments for astrologers in

general. And in most cases, he is correct isnt he, when you

statistically apply his comments to everyone who calls himself an

astrologer TODAY?

 

Sundeep

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

sohamsa , " Bharat Hindu Astrology "

<hinduastrology wrote:

>

> Namaste Sri Hemant

>

> I call it scientific superstition!

>

> I agree to your concerns but instead of warring with them, we

should make

> efforts to put the " House of Astrology " in order.

>

> 1.By recording and categorizing research

> 2.By bringing and cataloging all ancient texts and modern books

under one

> roof.

> 3.By going to hospitals, schools, colleges, work places, etc to

collect data

> of the diseased and cataloging this birth data as per disease,

work areas,

> study interests, sports abilities, etc.

> 4. By making this information freely accessible by all astrologers.

> 5. By tying up with corporates for funding research in human

behavior for

> assessment and evaluation of work ethics and success in career.

> 6. By rewarding and recognizing astrologers and protecting their

copyrighted

> works.

>

> Imagine a research which would have:

> 1. Methods and principles used.

> 2. References given of those principles in ancient texts

> 3. Reference of their use by fellow astrologers

> 4. Test results on 200 charts in proper tabulated form.

> 5. Dasha employed... citing reasons for choice of dasha

> 6. and so on and so forth.

> 7. Limitations of such a method

> 8. Proper conclusion on why this method worked or failed.

> 9. Possible Avenues of further research.

>

> How many hands do I see up now?

>

> Thanks and Regards

> Bharat

>

>

>

> On 11/25/06, Agnyeya <agnyeya wrote:

> >

> > Dear Bharatji,

> >

> > While I am personally fine with people who do not understand or

accept

> > astrology, it pains me that one such as Mr. Narlikar, would

write an article

> > on the same (without proper investigation, I am sure, and

without any

> > supporting facts as is evident in the article.)

> > The bigger problem being that such an individual's opinions are

taken

> > seriously and at a time when our past divine knowledge is not

being

> > propagated, discounting it so frivolously is hurting the human

race et al.

> > And therein lie my concerns.

> >

> > Humble Regards,

> > Hemant Desai

> >

> >

> >

> > Bharat Hindu Astrology <hinduastrology<hinduastrology%

40gmail.com>>

> > wrote:

> > Namaste Sri Hemant

> >

> > If one is taught to look out, one cannot look within. If one is

to accept

> > the waking world to be the only reality, then, 60% of our lives

of

> > dreaming,

> > deep sleeping and day dreaming is not accounted for. If one is

foolish not

> > to see the whole picture and arrogant enough to misreport it,

then, we

> > should understand the level of a person's thinking. Why would

you even

> > want

> > such a person to accept Astrology?

> >

> > Astrology is a science and beyond. To measure it terms of

scientific-ness,

> > would be like measuring an ocean using buckets. Such foolishness

abounds

> > in

> > this world. Let it abound.

> >

> > Scientists are themselves groping in darkness. Ask them a basic

question -

> > " Who are you? " and watch them going mad trying to explain it.

> >

> > Thanks and Regards

> > Bharat

> >

> > On 11/24/06, Agnyeya <agnyeya <agnyeya%40>> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear All,

> > >

> > > Recently an article appeared in the Times of India, Mumbai

edition on

> > the

> > > 17th Nov 2006, providing URL for the online version here (

> > > http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/462734.cms)

which goes on

> > > to state that Astrology is irrelevant.

> > > While I have come across this opinion by people before, it

pains me a

> > lot

> > > to see when a prominent astrophyicist (a scientest at that),

Jayant

> > > Narlikar, has chosen to close his mind to the possibilty of

Astrology,

> > at a

> > > time when the fundamentals of Astrology are Astronomy and

Mathematics.

> > >

> > > Humble Regards,

> > > Hemant Desai

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Agnyeya@ Planet Earth

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Find out what India is talking about on - Answers India

> > > Send FREE SMS to your friend's mobile from Messenger

Version 8.

> > Get

> > > it NOW

> > >

> > >