Guest guest Posted November 19, 2006 Report Share Posted November 19, 2006 Hare Rama Krsna Dear List members, Can anyone explain the technical difference between bandhana yoga and paapakarthari yoga? Regards, Raja Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 19, 2006 Report Share Posted November 19, 2006 Dear Raja, Papakarthari is bandhana yoga but not every bandhana is papakartari. Kartari yoga makes you stresfull as You dont sleep properly and eat food. Jataka parijata says that Lagnesh in papakartari situates one amongst enemies. So Satya Jataka says that bhava or bhavesh in papakartari is bad for bhava to prosper. Bandhana however shows that there is no relief through argala therefore it creates atmosphere where the freedom is lacking and one feel bounded. So both yoga's are negative but the Bandhana shows jail-situation while Kartari shows stress and lack of comfort. Classic shows how kartariyoga on moon is created and results are similar to conjunction so this is also material for contemplation..hope it answers Your question. Regards Rafal Gendarz sohamsa , " Raja Perry " <tvdasan wrote: > > Hare Rama Krsna > > Dear List members, > > Can anyone explain the technical difference between bandhana yoga and > paapakarthari yoga? > > Regards, > > Raja > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 19, 2006 Report Share Posted November 19, 2006 Jaya Jagannatha Dear Raja, Namaste Paapakartari - when a benefic is sandwiched in between 2 malefics (3 Signs are involved). Badhana - Maybe not necessarily be negative. Even a parivatana can be a bandhana. If a malefic is in a benefic sign and the benefic is in a sign owned by a malefic can also cause a bind (badhana). love, Swee On Sunday, November 19, 2006, at 06:05AM, " Raja Perry " <tvdasan wrote: >Hare Rama Krsna > >Dear List members, > >Can anyone explain the technical difference between bandhana yoga and >paapakarthari yoga? > >Regards, > >Raja > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 19, 2006 Report Share Posted November 19, 2006 Om Gurave Namah Namaskar Rafal Ji, Your explanation is very enlightening. Can you comment on the following: Rahu and Retrograde Saturn conjuncting in the 5th H with Lagnesh Mercury( Retrograde) in the sign of Libra. Sun has both Rasi and Graha Drishti on 5th H. Best Wishes Sharat - Rafal sohamsa Sunday, November 19, 2006 9:28 AM Re: Bandhana vs Paapakarthari Dear Raja,Papakarthari is bandhana yoga but not every bandhana is papakartari. Kartari yoga makes you stresfull as You dont sleep properly and eat food. Jataka parijata says that Lagnesh in papakartari situates one amongst enemies. So Satya Jataka says that bhava or bhavesh in papakartari is bad for bhava to prosper. Bandhana however shows that there is no relief through argala therefore it creates atmosphere where the freedom is lacking and one feel bounded. So both yoga's are negative but the Bandhana shows jail-situation while Kartari shows stress and lack of comfort. Classic shows how kartariyoga on moon is created and results are similar to conjunction so this is also material for contemplation..hope it answers Your question.RegardsRafal Gendarzsohamsa , "Raja Perry" <tvdasan wrote:>> Hare Rama Krsna> > Dear List members,> > Can anyone explain the technical difference between bandhana yoga and > paapakarthari yoga?> > Regards,> > Raja> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 19, 2006 Report Share Posted November 19, 2006 hare rama krsna Dear Sharat, commnets below. Regards Rafal Gendarz sohamsa , " Sharat " <gidoc wrote: > > Om Gurave Namah > > Namaskar Rafal Ji, > > Your explanation is very enlightening. > Can you comment on the following: > > Rahu and Retrograde Saturn conjuncting in the 5th H with Lagnesh Mercury( Retrograde) in the sign of Libra. Sun has both Rasi and Graha Drishti on 5th H. [rafal] a) Sun can have both rasi and graha drsti only in dual signs while Libra is chara-raasi. b) Lagnesh with Sani in fifth gives problem with viveka (fifth) and inteligence/choosing (sani). Guiding principle is suffering. Jupiter / Surya should be wellplaced in kona or Guru mantra should be recited. c) Sani + Node is Preta dosha which gives results similar to Pisaca instead of anger/shock there is suffering/sadness. Position from Lagnesh shows if thats before or after maternal demise. Regards Rafal Gendarz > > Best Wishes > > Sharat > > > - > Rafal > sohamsa > Sunday, November 19, 2006 9:28 AM > Re: Bandhana vs Paapakarthari > > > Dear Raja, > > Papakarthari is bandhana yoga but not every bandhana is papakartari. > Kartari yoga makes you stresfull as You dont sleep properly and eat > food. Jataka parijata says that Lagnesh in papakartari situates one > amongst enemies. So Satya Jataka says that bhava or bhavesh in > papakartari is bad for bhava to prosper. Bandhana however shows that > there is no relief through argala therefore it creates atmosphere > where the freedom is lacking and one feel bounded. So both yoga's are > negative but the Bandhana shows jail-situation while Kartari shows > stress and lack of comfort. Classic shows how kartariyoga on moon is > created and results are similar to conjunction so this is also > material for contemplation..hope it answers Your question. > > Regards > Rafal Gendarz > > sohamsa , " Raja Perry " <tvdasan@> wrote: > > > > Hare Rama Krsna > > > > Dear List members, > > > > Can anyone explain the technical difference between bandhana yoga > and > > paapakarthari yoga? > > > > Regards, > > > > Raja > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 19, 2006 Report Share Posted November 19, 2006 || Hare Raama Krsna || || Durgaa Saranam || Dear Raja-ji, namaskar. From a house/graha/lagna, malefics in the 2nd and 12-th create Paapakartari (scissors) and in the 5th and 9th causes bandhana (tied and cannot move freely)yoga. Malefics in the 5th and 9th restricts you but stopping blessings of Lakkshmi-Maata (fruits of good karma in the past) that come from the 5th and 9th houses, to come to you and your growth/independance is stopped. In such a case, strength of the Upachayas is your only source of growth through which you can exert yourself. Paapakartari on the other-hand invariably brings bad incidents but not really stopping growth or restricting your movement. You should note Bandhana Yoga with Naaraayana Dasa (please follow Visti-ji's Lecture in Jaimini SJC, he talked about it). Sarvam Durgaarpanamastu. Best wishes, Sourav -------- sohamsa , "Raja Perry" <tvdasan wrote:>> Hare Rama Krsna> > Dear List members,> > Can anyone explain the technical difference between bandhana yoga and > paapakarthari yoga?> > Regards,> > Raja> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 19, 2006 Report Share Posted November 19, 2006 Om Gurave NamahDear Rafalji,Thanks for your explanation.Can you please clarify: Best Wishes SharatA Grah in its own Rasi will cast both Graha and Rasi drishti only if its a dual sign? Or this hold true only for Sun as it does not have any special Drishti.- Rafal [rafal] a) Sun can have both rasi and graha drsti only in dual signs while Libra is chara-raasi. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 19, 2006 Report Share Posted November 19, 2006 hraum namah adityaya Dear Sharat, Theory of these two types of drstis You can read from monumental classics like BHPS. Surya cast full Graha drsti on sing in 7 from its onw placement while Rasi drsti is little bit complicated. Avastha has nothing to do with it. Regards Rafal Gendarz sohamsa , " Sharat " <gidoc wrote: > > Om Gurave Namah > > Dear Rafalji, > Thanks for your explanation. > Can you please clarify: > Best Wishes > Sharat > > A Grah in its own Rasi will cast both Graha and Rasi drishti only if its a dual sign? Or this hold true only for Sun as it does not have any special Drishti. > > - > Rafal > [rafal] > > a) Sun can have both rasi and graha drsti only in dual signs while > Libra is chara-raasi. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 19, 2006 Report Share Posted November 19, 2006 Hi Rafal, Can you please clarify your note 'after maternal demise'. Thanks, Mike sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of RafalSunday, November 19, 2006 2:00 PMsohamsa Subject: Re: Bandhana vs Paapakarthari hare rama krsnaDear Sharat, commnets below. RegardsRafal Gendarzsohamsa , " Sharat" <gidoc wrote:>> Om Gurave Namah> > Namaskar Rafal Ji,> > Your explanation is very enlightening.> Can you comment on the following:> > Rahu and Retrograde Saturn conjuncting in the 5th H with Lagnesh Mercury( Retrograde) in the sign of Libra. Sun has both Rasi and Graha Drishti on 5th H.[rafal] a) Sun can have both rasi and graha drsti only in dual signs while Libra is chara-raasi.b) Lagnesh with Sani in fifth gives problem with viveka (fifth) and inteligence/choosing (sani). Guiding principle is suffering. Jupiter / Surya should be wellplaced in kona or Guru mantra should be recited. c) Sani + Node is Preta dosha which gives results similar to Pisaca instead of anger/shock there is suffering/sadness. Position from Lagnesh shows if thats before or after maternal demise.RegardsRafal Gendarz> > Best Wishes> > Sharat> > > - > Rafal > sohamsa > Sunday, November 19, 2006 9:28 AM> Re: Bandhana vs Paapakarthari> > > Dear Raja,> > Papakarthari is bandhana yoga but not every bandhana is papakartari. > Kartari yoga makes you stresfull as You dont sleep properly and eat > food. Jataka parijata says that Lagnesh in papakartari situates one > amongst enemies. So Satya Jataka says that bhava or bhavesh in > papakartari is bad for bhava to prosper. Bandhana however shows that > there is no relief through argala therefore it creates atmosphere > where the freedom is lacking and one feel bounded. So both yoga's are > negative but the Bandhana shows jail-situation while Kartari shows > stress and lack of comfort. Classic shows how kartariyoga on moon is > created and results are similar to conjunction so this is also > material for contemplation..hope it answers Your question.> > Regards> Rafal Gendarz> > sohamsa , "Raja Perry" <tvdasan@> wrote:> >> > Hare Rama Krsna> > > > Dear List members,> > > > Can anyone explain the technical difference between bandhana yoga > and > > paapakarthari yoga?> > > > Regards,> > > > Raja> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 20, 2006 Report Share Posted November 20, 2006 hraum namah adityaya Dear Mike, If Preta Yoga is in invisible part from Lagnesh then problem is coming before mother death. Regards Rafal Gendarz - Michael Travass sohamsa Sunday, November 19, 2006 8:16 PM RE: Re: Bandhana vs Paapakarthari Hi Rafal, Can you please clarify your note 'after maternal demise'. Thanks, Mike sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of RafalSunday, November 19, 2006 2:00 PMsohamsa Subject: Re: Bandhana vs Paapakarthari hare rama krsnaDear Sharat, commnets below. RegardsRafal Gendarzsohamsa , " Sharat" <gidoc wrote:>> Om Gurave Namah> > Namaskar Rafal Ji,> > Your explanation is very enlightening.> Can you comment on the following:> > Rahu and Retrograde Saturn conjuncting in the 5th H with Lagnesh Mercury( Retrograde) in the sign of Libra. Sun has both Rasi and Graha Drishti on 5th H.[rafal] a) Sun can have both rasi and graha drsti only in dual signs while Libra is chara-raasi.b) Lagnesh with Sani in fifth gives problem with viveka (fifth) and inteligence/choosing (sani). Guiding principle is suffering. Jupiter / Surya should be wellplaced in kona or Guru mantra should be recited. c) Sani + Node is Preta dosha which gives results similar to Pisaca instead of anger/shock there is suffering/sadness. Position from Lagnesh shows if thats before or after maternal demise.RegardsRafal Gendarz> > Best Wishes> > Sharat> > > - > Rafal > sohamsa > Sunday, November 19, 2006 9:28 AM> Re: Bandhana vs Paapakarthari> > > Dear Raja,> > Papakarthari is bandhana yoga but not every bandhana is papakartari. > Kartari yoga makes you stresfull as You dont sleep properly and eat > food. Jataka parijata says that Lagnesh in papakartari situates one > amongst enemies. So Satya Jataka says that bhava or bhavesh in > papakartari is bad for bhava to prosper. Bandhana however shows that > there is no relief through argala therefore it creates atmosphere > where the freedom is lacking and one feel bounded. So both yoga's are > negative but the Bandhana shows jail-situation while Kartari shows > stress and lack of comfort. Classic shows how kartariyoga on moon is > created and results are similar to conjunction so this is also > material for contemplation..hope it answers Your question.> > Regards> Rafal Gendarz> > sohamsa , "Raja Perry" <tvdasan@> wrote:> >> > Hare Rama Krsna> > > > Dear List members,> > > > Can anyone explain the technical difference between bandhana yoga > and > > paapakarthari yoga?> > > > Regards,> > > > Raja> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 23, 2006 Report Share Posted November 23, 2006 Sri Krsnarpanam astu Many thanks to Rafal, Sourav, Swee and all others who showed compassion and extended their knowledge regarding this issue! dasanudasan Raja Perry sohamsa , " Rafal Gendarz " <starsuponme wrote: > > hraum namah adityaya > Dear Mike, > If Preta Yoga is in invisible part from Lagnesh then problem is coming before mother death. > Regards > Rafal Gendarz > > - > Michael Travass > sohamsa > Sunday, November 19, 2006 8:16 PM > RE: Re: Bandhana vs Paapakarthari > > > > Hi Rafal, > > Can you please clarify your note 'after maternal demise'. > > Thanks, > > Mike > > sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of Rafal > Sunday, November 19, 2006 2:00 PM > sohamsa > Re: Bandhana vs Paapakarthari > > > hare rama krsna > Dear Sharat, commnets below. > Regards > Rafal Gendarz > > sohamsa , " Sharat " <gidoc@> wrote: > > > > Om Gurave Namah > > > > Namaskar Rafal Ji, > > > > Your explanation is very enlightening. > > Can you comment on the following: > > > > Rahu and Retrograde Saturn conjuncting in the 5th H with Lagnesh > Mercury( Retrograde) in the sign of Libra. Sun has both Rasi and > Graha Drishti on 5th H. > > [rafal] > > a) Sun can have both rasi and graha drsti only in dual signs while > Libra is chara-raasi. > > b) Lagnesh with Sani in fifth gives problem with viveka (fifth) and > inteligence/choosing (sani). Guiding principle is suffering. > Jupiter / Surya should be wellplaced in kona or Guru mantra should > be recited. > > c) Sani + Node is Preta dosha which gives results similar to Pisaca > instead of anger/shock there is suffering/sadness. Position from > Lagnesh shows if thats before or after maternal demise. > > Regards > Rafal Gendarz > > > > > Best Wishes > > > > Sharat > > > > > > - > > Rafal > > sohamsa > > Sunday, November 19, 2006 9:28 AM > > Re: Bandhana vs Paapakarthari > > > > > > Dear Raja, > > > > Papakarthari is bandhana yoga but not every bandhana is > papakartari. > > Kartari yoga makes you stresfull as You dont sleep properly and > eat > > food. Jataka parijata says that Lagnesh in papakartari situates > one > > amongst enemies. So Satya Jataka says that bhava or bhavesh in > > papakartari is bad for bhava to prosper. Bandhana however shows > that > > there is no relief through argala therefore it creates > atmosphere > > where the freedom is lacking and one feel bounded. So both > yoga's are > > negative but the Bandhana shows jail-situation while Kartari > shows > > stress and lack of comfort. Classic shows how kartariyoga on > moon is > > created and results are similar to conjunction so this is also > > material for contemplation..hope it answers Your question. > > > > Regards > > Rafal Gendarz > > > > sohamsa , " Raja Perry " <tvdasan@> wrote: > > > > > > Hare Rama Krsna > > > > > > Dear List members, > > > > > > Can anyone explain the technical difference between bandhana > yoga > > and > > > paapakarthari yoga? > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Raja > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 25, 2006 Report Share Posted November 25, 2006 Thanks Rafal. I did not see your message directly but only thru Rajas' email below: Is there any connection of Preta Yoga with D60? Mike sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of Raja PerryThursday, November 23, 2006 6:00 AMsohamsa Subject: Re: Bandhana vs Paapakarthari Sri Krsnarpanam astuMany thanks to Rafal, Sourav, Swee and all others who showed compassion and extended their knowledge regarding this issue!dasanudasan Raja Perrysohamsa , "Rafal Gendarz" <starsuponme wrote:>> hraum namah adityaya> Dear Mike,> If Preta Yoga is in invisible part from Lagnesh then problem is coming before mother death.> Regards> Rafal Gendarz> > - > Michael Travass > sohamsa > Sunday, November 19, 2006 8:16 PM> RE: Re: Bandhana vs Paapakarthari> > > > Hi Rafal,> > Can you please clarify your note 'after maternal demise'.> > Thanks,> > Mike> > sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of Rafal> Sunday, November 19, 2006 2:00 PM> sohamsa > Re: Bandhana vs Paapakarthari> > > hare rama krsna> Dear Sharat, commnets below. > Regards> Rafal Gendarz> > sohamsa , " Sharat" <gidoc@> wrote:> >> > Om Gurave Namah> > > > Namaskar Rafal Ji,> > > > Your explanation is very enlightening.> > Can you comment on the following:> > > > Rahu and Retrograde Saturn conjuncting in the 5th H with Lagnesh > Mercury( Retrograde) in the sign of Libra. Sun has both Rasi and > Graha Drishti on 5th H.> > [rafal] > > a) Sun can have both rasi and graha drsti only in dual signs while > Libra is chara-raasi.> > b) Lagnesh with Sani in fifth gives problem with viveka (fifth) and > inteligence/choosing (sani). Guiding principle is suffering. > Jupiter / Surya should be wellplaced in kona or Guru mantra should > be recited. > > c) Sani + Node is Preta dosha which gives results similar to Pisaca > instead of anger/shock there is suffering/sadness. Position from > Lagnesh shows if thats before or after maternal demise.> > Regards> Rafal Gendarz> > > > > Best Wishes> > > > Sharat> > > > > > - > > Rafal > > sohamsa > > Sunday, November 19, 2006 9:28 AM> > Re: Bandhana vs Paapakarthari> > > > > > Dear Raja,> > > > Papakarthari is bandhana yoga but not every bandhana is > papakartari. > > Kartari yoga makes you stresfull as You dont sleep properly and > eat > > food. Jataka parijata says that Lagnesh in papakartari situates > one > > amongst enemies. So Satya Jataka says that bhava or bhavesh in > > papakartari is bad for bhava to prosper. Bandhana however shows > that > > there is no relief through argala therefore it creates > atmosphere > > where the freedom is lacking and one feel bounded. So both > yoga's are > > negative but the Bandhana shows jail-situation while Kartari > shows > > stress and lack of comfort. Classic shows how kartariyoga on > moon is > > created and results are similar to conjunction so this is also > > material for contemplation..hope it answers Your question.> > > > Regards> > Rafal Gendarz> > > > sohamsa , "Raja Perry" <tvdasan@> wrote:> > >> > > Hare Rama Krsna> > > > > > Dear List members,> > > > > > Can anyone explain the technical difference between bandhana > yoga > > and > > > paapakarthari yoga?> > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > Raja> > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You are posting as a guest. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.
Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible.