Fwd: RE: Trouble from Sons - Curse Sanjay Rath :Confidential

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This is rather a confidendial matter and I request this email be shared only with Sanjayji and you. I see that SJC is ISKCON similar line of thought, that means holds Sri Krsna as Supreme God. However, Veda ( samhita potions only genuine ) do not proclaim this view. Abhay Charan De and his followers always call the other Deities as demi-gods but this is only ISKCON point of view following ISKCON translation of Gita. Gita is purana, not shaastra, so it cannot surpass the Vedas which is the source of all knowledge. I myself understand some Upaya are very scienfitic and logical. All entities are under Navagraha ( at leaset in our Solar Systm ). So, if some people have Shani dosha, it is understandable that they must feed crows or serve old or homeless, black dogs, etc, since all entities are united in energy level ( Unified Field Theory ). But what I really have question is, that by chanting Navagraha mantra or going up the mountain in bear foot, which actually do not remedy any beings' suffering, that somehow our past eveil deeds are nullified. This common theorem propagated by Hindu astrologers have not answer the Law of Cause and Effect. Suppose someone killes others for money. Then in next or immidiate life, he must suffere poverty and violent death. How, by supplicating deities which do not have any authority to bend the Law of CAUSE AND EFFECT which even God cannot do, mitigate our sufffering. In other words, if we repent and do great works to help and heal all beings around us, our life become worthy and necessary for the existence. But many selfish men such as some fool who ask for a mantra for beauty which is abslultely childish ( in this forum ), believes by

mumbling quasi Sanskrit words ( Sanskrit is very accurate language and must be enunciated properly ) advocates Navagraha mantras and other concocted works of post Mahabharata Hinduims. I for example chanted certain Navagraha mantra from morning to sunset without food, drink and toilet, compleated the numbers required, Nothing happened. My Tamil Brahmin friend ( real brahmin by birth and qualification and the works of charity ) also know many mantras and tested, but popular Navagraha tantrik mantras did not work ). I find, that the puja by proxy advocated by HIndus and Buddhists, Roman catholics have fundamentally selfish. One's own tapas is the key to lessen the karmic retribution, not some paid pujari who have no interest nor compassion for unknown men who send money from somewhere. I believe there are genuine Upaya. The best of all is to help

children, women, animals and handicapped. But theere is no such remedies chanting mantras or going on to some mountain in India...not in the Vedas, BPHS and other ancient works of sages. I think Kali yuga, we all seek easy remediy. Indeed the qualified Vedic astrologers are vicar of Mahakala; they can discern life and death matter. But how few are those...I think we can count those in our hands. Another fundamental problem for praying to particular deity is this: Navagraha have been entrusted to execute the dispensation of karma. What authority some gods or goddesses have to override Navagraha? Bringing and quoting puranas cannot stand a logical argument. Saiva, Vaishnava, Shakta all have their supreme boooks which were written by their co-religioninsts who proclaims

that their god is Supreme. The Vedas ( samhita ) do not proclaim these sectarian ideas. Another matter is, only when one repent so deeply and actively involve wealfare of others, there is real need for Universe to preserve his life even his karma be so evil. What power of curse normal human beings have, be they mothers, fathers, etc, who have no vak-siddhi at all. Pitri tarpana and all other false dogma which teaches we can do something for the dead is contrary to the Vedas ( samhita only. brahmana and other parts do not constitute the Vedas ). If someone can donate money to copulating and glutton pujari of mandir can the dead be escaope from damnation? This is Mayavadi teaching which is most prevalent in buddhist nations. Of all religions, nothing is so devastating to human spirit but the budhism. Mohammedanism is much

better than nihilistic philosophy. Sans Dieu, pas spiritualite ( a word of great Quebecois devotee of Krsna ) So, what I am finding is, many physically living gurus of well known have some questionable practice.. I was greatly attached to a female guru from South India who does Jagadyatra... But her organisation starts more and more online puja,,,done by some pujari far away for money... Whan an American caucasian youth of 30s who is not even svami started conduct navagraha puja and homa ( ganapati homa , etc ) in the Evil Empire, I was devastated... Why this guru who is no doubt Kaliavatar allow her organisation do such buddhistic practicves... Many ISKCON gurus absconded with money and women, abused chuildren...documented facts. So is lier Mukrtananda of SYDA, so is Rajneesh, so is Ravishanker, Maheshi Yogi,,,,all

shame of India who desecrated the Aryavarta by their evil ways... In other pantehons stands Bhagavan Ramakrsna, Bhagavan Shiridi Baba, Bhagavan Sathya Sai Baba......and countless unknown but genuine saints of Aryavarta.... The sincere ex-Indian born as foreigners is this: how to find a Sadguru and can settle and survive ( economically ) in India... Despite of evil Western and Mohamedan influence, still in India genuine saints lives, and innocent and loving Indians live... So, knowing I have only only 2 and half years before coming Sade Sathi, I must find a Sadguru who is not inudated by foreign devotees ( which makes sadhana impossible since they come to India as tourists ). I must find in colder climate, such as Chandigah, Simla, etc, a sadguru who can really guide me one on one in

many Puja-viddhi.... But my fear is, as my chart indicates, that may be Lord Saturn is luring me into India so that He can totally annihilate me by ganged up by dacoits attack ( as per my chart ). Death is salvation to me. But I have a sacred Mission to sell my parental property and transfer money to safely India, instead of buddhist relatives and the Evil Government of Evil Empire taking money for themselv. I am the only son, and depite of my huge respects for Indian deities, I still am not married nor have children ( I am in my 40s ) I wonder, may be all of Indian lore are Indian hyperbole...But my pbservation of Jyotish and its accuracy tells me that the race who developed this Divine Science cannot be wrong...From a prostitute to multi-millionaire, all ages and all races I ahve interviewed, the charts exactly tells what they are...have been

through.... So please realise this fact..Silvagraduate surrenders totaaly at the feet of All Vedic deities, Avatars, Rishis, Siddhas, Yogis and Sannyasins, and seeking their help but I am sinking deeply into the nefarious world of desparation... What remedial measures do you or Pandit Sanjayji consider effective, when the Yogakaraka RetrograteShani dev in his own house is directly opposed to by the badhaka lord Sun afflicted atmakaraka Mercury.. If I were to go down, I must at least do some good to the world but I cannot do that even for I have to fight so many battles for exitences, and I sense my life is totally useless for me and the world... But whart you say is true,,,All devata and navagraha are within...It is that Maya,s lid is so strong, we cannot really identify what we truly are....SatchitAnanda... I do

not know where you are Souravji, but if you were in Aryavarta, God bless! That is the only land, together with the United States, that I found worhty for adoration and loyalty ( I lived all western EU nations and Switzerland but compare to these, India and USA are the only nations that have genuine Greatness ) I sometimes see many NRI people who left India and live in west, dress and act as westerners...Why do they want to imitate inferior cultures??? WHen the evltuion of souls comes to near end, all beings must turn to Aryavarta...the brahmin nation which rules the world from the beginning until the end of Time.. Sourav <souravc108 wrote: || Hare Raama Krsna || || Durgaa Saranam || Dear Silva-ji, namaskar. 1. When Lord (avataara) taken birth amongst us, it is not that they have done a bad karma out of ignorance. It is His sporting nature (lilaa) that he comes to us to keep us on the path of dharma (as stated by Sri Krsna in The Gita). You can say that birth/rebirth must be due

to discharging some karma, then we can say that it is to discharge a heavy debt of the dharma of the Universe that Vishwapati incarnates Himself. Grahas are all within and we are not under 'control' of grahas; in true essence, we are under the control of our own ignorance. Grahas only bear the signatures of our evolutionary development i.e coming out and going back into ignorance of our True Nature. Lord is Sarvagna, Omniscient and hence cannot be under control of grahas. However, when Lord takes birth, the signatures in the sky corroborate that. That is why there are certain indications/yogas when Mahaapurushas come. Lord Visnu protected his devotee Naarada from marrying a beautiful girl and getting trapped in the mires of samsaara. Naarada didn't understand this true intent and cursed Lord Vishnu to suffer from a similar situation. That is why Lord Visnu took birth in form of Sri Raama (avataara) and sufferred the consequences and to keep

the spoken word of this great devotee. 2. Upaayas are measures to rectify what is already wrong. If you have a slow car and take the main road, then you will reach destination after a long time. But if you look into the map (bhavishyat) and try to chart a new route and turn the steering appropriately, you will perhaps take a different route than what you were about to and reach the destination with a little less trouble. A huge natural force and long period of time is needed to build a mountain of rocks. But with a few sticks of dynamite and controlled explosions, that mountain (of karma ) can be brought down. Only a true Daivagna or jyotishi is an expert as to tell you where in the cracks and crevices of the mountain you should plant the few dynamite sticks. Otherwise, explosions will be futile or will not provide satisfactory result. The strength of explosion is the strength of your faith. So if you don't have faith then inspite of strategically

locating those sticks of dynamite, the mountain of karma cannot be crumbled. So have faith in remedial measures. Above all, have faith in God as He will take you in the right path. As Thakur used to say, the wind (of grace of God) is always blowing, we have to unfurl our sails (faith) and take advantage of it. Thakur also taught to test a Guru and only take refuge in him after verifying that he is a guru of high caliber. Best wishes, Sourav =============================================================================================================== sohamsa , silva graduate <silvagraduate wrote:>> If the Lord Rama also were under Navagraha control, I really wonder what is the effective ness of the remedies propagated here. It seems most of Upayas are not really tested by the people who is giving

advices.> > for example. if Sade Sathi is lessened by going to some mountain and going upon the hill on feet, what that recompense the sins committed by the one suffereing?> > In other words, if the past evil karma is nullified by going mountain, feeding crows, it fundamentally violates the law of justice. What one does, one receives. To advice without due consideration many remedies seems teh Buddhistic trap, I mean charging money to propitiate ancenstors, etc., these unVedic practices that killed vedic civilisation and corrputed all buddhists nations.> > Sincere remedies are to do seva at hostpitals, nursing homes, orphanages,,,instead of doing active good, what good does it do if one prays this god and that goddess, go on mountain on feet or not.> > > > Sanjay Rath sanjayrath wrote:>  > > | om gurave namah |> Dear Venkatesh> Mula dasa shows the

aperational period of the curse and that does not mean that it ends when the operation is over. For example when Sri Rama lost Sita during the operation of the curse during Saturn mula dasa, He got Her back but then even after that Saturn came in the form of a washerman and He again lost Sita. So the curse continued to operate. A lot depends on the nature of the curse and how it shall function. Continued remedy is the only panacea against strong curses.> Best wishes and warm regards,> Sanjay Rath> > Personal: WebPages ◠Rath’s Rhapsody > SJC WebPages: Sri Jagannath Center ◠SJCERC ◠JIVA> Publications: The Jyotish Digest ◠Sagittarius Publications> ----> > > > >

> sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of Venkatesh S> Tuesday, October 24, 2006 5:06 PM> sohamsa > Cc: guruji Re: Fwd: RE: Trouble from Sons - Curse Sanjay Rath> > > > |JAI SRIRAM|> > Dear Guruji,> > From the Moola dasa of Saturn the operative period of the curse ended on 23-sep-2000.Still the curse is there and the remedy is required.> > Regards,> S.Venkatesh> > Sanjay Rathguruji wrote: sohamsa , "Sanjay Rath" wrote:> > > > > om gurave namah> Dear Srinivasa> Curse of Guru is responsible for this as children and welath and> happiness> is lost. Propitiation of Lord Shiva with the Shiva Sahasranama

is> one of the> solutions. Alternatively the native should regularly recite mantras> to> propitiate Dakshinamurty.> With Best Wishes & Warm Regards,> Sanjay Rath> WebPages:> SJC: http://.org> Personal: http://srath.com> Long Distance Lessons: http://jiva.us> Publications & Books: http://sagittariuspublications.com> > > sohamsa [sohamsa ] On> Behalf Of> padmanu> Monday, September 11, 2006 9:25 PM> sohamsa > Trouble from Sons - Curse> > Om Gurave Namah> > Dear Guruvarya,> > Namasthe. Please look at the following chart of gentleman who is> suffering> on account of both his sons. He retired from a well

respected> government> job. Though he did not have good education himself rose to a good> position> before his retirement(Moon in the 10th Meena).> Both his sons are not very well educated. First is a govt school> teacher,> and has changed after marriage. Does not heed to father and is> trying take> his father's wealth( this is after marriage).> Second son has become wayward right from when he was around 14. He> left> education and became a police home guard, but it is temporary.> He> has married a muslim girl and recently became a drunkard. Indebted> to others> etc.> I see a curse involved in 4th house on Guru and Ravi(??) from graha> dristi> from Kuja in first and Sani in 2nd. Also is there a 4th house dristi> from> Rahu?> > Is Surya the Putrakaraka giving curse or/and Guru the Pitrukaraka> giving>

curse. This person also had trouble from his father, who was opposed> to him> when he married a women from another caste.> Trouble from his second started when the Moola dasa of his> Atmakaraka Budha> had started.> > I am assuming since the curse is in the 4th house a kendra it may be> reduced> by propitiation.> > I request the Gurujan on this board to please guide me in> understanding the> chart and also any remedies that I can convey to the native.> > This is my humble request with folded hands to one and all.> > Pranam> > Om Sree Lakshmi Narayanaya Namah> > Srinivasa> > Native - Varada Rajagopala Rao> > Natal Chart> > September 22, 1945> Time: 23:24:00> Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)> Place: 80 E 05' 00", 15 N 09' 00"> Altitude: 0.00 meters>

> Lunar Yr-Mo: Parthiva - Bhadrapada> Tithi: Krishna Dwitiya (Mo) (96.60% left)> Vedic Weekday: Saturday (Sa)> Nakshatra: Revati (Me) (84.98% left)> Yoga: Vriddhi (Me) (13.02% left)> Karana: Taitula (Me) (93.21% left)> Hora Lord: Sun (5 min sign: Sc)> Mahakala Hora: Sun (5 min sign: Vi)> Kaala Lord: Venus (Mahakala: Venus)> > Sunrise: 6:02:05> Sunset: 18:02:51> Janma Ghatis: 43.4135> > Ayanamsa: 23-05-39.43> Sidereal Time: 23:19:14> > > > > > > > ! om tat sat !> Footnotes:> 1. Let us share our thoughts and knowledge like the Sun God Surya> shares his> light with the entire planet, without bias and without emotions. Let> us rise> in praise to that supreme significator of the soul of all creatures.> 2. You don't have to reply if you feel that there is a waste

of> energy. Use> the energy given by Surya well.> 3. This mail is just another view, and who else other than Surya> Himself> knows the perfect truth. So say - om tat sat.> 4. The contents above are the views of one individual and do not> represent> the groups views nor that of the group owner.>

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| om gurave namah |Dear Silva

 

If you want to share this ONLY with me and Sourav, then do not post in to the list - mail it to us. I think you should be knowing that.

Anyway, we all know that God is one and at least I have known this for many lives, not just this one. If you have just found this out, I must welcome you to the club of the enlightened ones.

God and demi-god is a concept developed for some cult thinking and htere are no demi-gods. There isnonly one God and men call that one by many names which is man's weakness, and not that of god.

Your hatred of Buddhists is not good and looks like you really do not believe that God is one and the same. If you did them there can be no place for hating buddhists.

Why are you so attached to your paternal property? Was it yours? if it was then it can never go away, not even death can part you from it and you must return to this planet to claim it again and again. So do consider giving it up if it is not yours.

Why do you say SJC is ISKCON? We at SJC do not have a GBC nor do we have any demi-gods. All are welcome to pray to that one God with any name they like, and if they don;t have one, they can make a new one! I think ISKCON is the other extreme in this matter and only one or maybe two names are allowed. (I wonder what they would do with the Vishnu Sahasranama??)

I like ISKCON as the name has a nice sound ISK means 'love' and CON means 'who?' So simply from the sound point of view ISKCON can mean 'love who?'...

Why do you hate ISKCON? I have heard one elder sadhu telling that God sends you to be born in the lands of those you fight against, in the religion of those you hate, in the houses of those who have a debt to repay to you!!! I am sure you don't want to be reborn as an ISKCON member nor as a buddhist. So my humble submission is that you should love ISKCON and love Buddhists, then you can stay away from them forever!!!

One final thing - what have I done to you to get the subject of this mail as ' - Curse Sanjay Rath'? Best wishes and warm regards,Sanjay RathPersonal: WebPages ◠Rath’s Rhapsody SJC WebPages: Sri Jagannath Center ◠SJCERC ◠JIVAPublications: The Jyotish Digest ◠Sagittarius Publications----

 

 

 

 

sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of silva graduateSaturday, November 04, 2006 10:19 AMsohamsa Subject: Re: Fwd: RE: Trouble from Sons - Curse Sanjay Rath :Confidential

 

 

 

This is rather a confidendial matter and I request this email be shared only with Sanjayji and you.

 

I see that SJC is ISKCON similar line of thought, that means holds Sri Krsna as Supreme God.

 

However, Veda ( samhita potions only genuine ) do not proclaim this view. Abhay Charan De and his followers always call the other Deities as demi-gods but this is only ISKCON point of view following ISKCON translation of Gita. Gita is purana, not shaastra, so it cannot surpass the Vedas which is the source of all knowledge.

 

I myself understand some Upaya are very scienfitic and logical. All entities are under Navagraha ( at leaset in our Solar Systm ). So, if some people have Shani dosha, it is understandable that they must feed crows or serve old or homeless, black dogs, etc, since all entities are united in energy level ( Unified Field Theory ).

 

But what I really have question is, that by chanting Navagraha mantra or going up the mountain in bear foot, which actually do not remedy any beings' suffering, that somehow our past eveil deeds are nullified.

 

This common theorem propagated by Hindu astrologers have not answer the Law of Cause and Effect. Suppose someone killes others for money. Then in next or immidiate life, he must suffere poverty and violent death.

 

How, by supplicating deities which do not have any authority to bend the Law of CAUSE AND EFFECT which even God cannot do, mitigate our sufffering.

 

In other words, if we repent and do great works to help and heal all beings around us, our life become worthy and necessary for the existence.

 

But many selfish men such as some fool who ask for a mantra for beauty which is abslultely childish ( in this forum ), believes by mumbling quasi Sanskrit words ( Sanskrit is very accurate language and must be enunciated properly ) advocates Navagraha mantras and other concocted works of post Mahabharata Hinduims.

 

I for example chanted certain Navagraha mantra from morning to sunset without food, drink and toilet, compleated the numbers required, Nothing happened.

 

My Tamil Brahmin friend ( real brahmin by birth and qualification and the works of charity ) also know many mantras and tested, but popular Navagraha tantrik mantras did not work ).

 

I find, that the puja by proxy advocated by HIndus and Buddhists, Roman catholics have fundamentally selfish. One's own tapas is the key to lessen the karmic retribution, not some paid pujari who have no interest nor compassion for unknown men who send money from somewhere.

 

I believe there are genuine Upaya. The best of all is to help children, women, animals and handicapped.

 

But theere is no such remedies chanting mantras or going on to some mountain in India...not in the Vedas, BPHS and other ancient works of sages.

 

I think Kali yuga, we all seek easy remediy.

 

Indeed the qualified Vedic astrologers are vicar of Mahakala; they can discern life and death matter. But how few are those...I think we can count those in our hands.

 

 

Another fundamental problem for praying to particular deity is this:

 

Navagraha have been entrusted to execute the dispensation of karma. What authority some gods or goddesses have to override Navagraha?

 

Bringing and quoting puranas cannot stand a logical argument. Saiva, Vaishnava, Shakta all have their supreme boooks which were written by their co-religioninsts who proclaims that their god is Supreme.

 

The Vedas ( samhita ) do not proclaim these sectarian ideas.

 

Another matter is, only when one repent so deeply and actively involve wealfare of others, there is real need for Universe to preserve his life even his karma be so evil.

 

What power of curse normal human beings have, be they mothers, fathers, etc, who have no vak-siddhi at all. Pitri tarpana and all other false dogma which teaches we can do something for the dead is contrary to the Vedas ( samhita only. brahmana and other parts do not constitute the Vedas ).

 

If someone can donate money to copulating and glutton pujari of mandir can the dead be escaope from damnation? This is Mayavadi teaching which is most prevalent in buddhist nations.

 

Of all religions, nothing is so devastating to human spirit but the budhism. Mohammedanism is much better than nihilistic philosophy.

 

Sans Dieu, pas spiritualite ( a word of great Quebecois devotee of Krsna )

 

So, what I am finding is, many physically living gurus of well known have some questionable practice..

 

I was greatly attached to a female guru from South India who does Jagadyatra... But her organisation starts more and more online puja,,,done by some pujari far away for money...

 

Whan an American caucasian youth of 30s who is not even svami started conduct navagraha puja and homa ( ganapati homa , etc ) in the Evil Empire, I was devastated... Why this guru who is no doubt Kaliavatar allow her organisation do such buddhistic practicves...

 

Many ISKCON gurus absconded with money and women, abused chuildren...documented facts. So is lier Mukrtananda of SYDA, so is Rajneesh, so is Ravishanker, Maheshi Yogi,,,,all shame of India who desecrated the Aryavarta by their evil ways...

 

In other pantehons stands Bhagavan Ramakrsna, Bhagavan Shiridi Baba, Bhagavan Sathya Sai Baba......and countless unknown but genuine saints of Aryavarta....

 

The sincere ex-Indian born as foreigners is this:

 

how to find a Sadguru and can settle and survive ( economically ) in India...

 

Despite of evil Western and Mohamedan influence, still in India genuine saints lives, and innocent and loving Indians live...

 

So, knowing I have only only 2 and half years before coming Sade Sathi, I must find a Sadguru who is not inudated by foreign devotees ( which makes sadhana impossible since they come to India as tourists ).

 

I must find in colder climate, such as Chandigah, Simla, etc, a sadguru who can really guide me one on one in many Puja-viddhi....

 

But my fear is, as my chart indicates, that may be Lord Saturn is luring me into India so that He can totally annihilate me by ganged up by dacoits attack ( as per my chart ).

 

Death is salvation to me. But I have a sacred Mission to sell my parental property and transfer money to safely India, instead of buddhist relatives and the Evil Government of Evil Empire taking money for themselv.

 

I am the only son, and depite of my huge respects for Indian deities, I still am not married nor have children ( I am in my 40s )

 

I wonder, may be all of Indian lore are Indian hyperbole...But my pbservation of Jyotish and its accuracy tells me that the race who developed this Divine Science cannot be wrong...From a prostitute to multi-millionaire, all ages and all races I ahve interviewed, the charts exactly tells what they are...have been through....

 

So please realise this fact..Silvagraduate surrenders totaaly at the feet of All Vedic deities, Avatars, Rishis, Siddhas, Yogis and Sannyasins, and seeking their help but I am sinking deeply into the nefarious world of desparation...

 

What remedial measures do you or Pandit Sanjayji consider effective, when the Yogakaraka RetrograteShani dev in his own house is directly opposed to by the badhaka lord Sun afflicted atmakaraka Mercury..

 

If I were to go down, I must at least do some good to the world but I cannot do that even for I have to fight so many battles for exitences, and I sense my life is totally useless for me and the world...

 

But whart you say is true,,,All devata and navagraha are within...It is that Maya,s lid is so strong, we cannot really identify what we truly are....SatchitAnanda...

 

I do not know where you are Souravji, but if you were in Aryavarta, God bless! That is the only land, together with the United States, that I found worhty for adoration and loyalty ( I lived all western EU nations and Switzerland but compare to these, India and USA are the only nations that have genuine Greatness )

 

I sometimes see many NRI people who left India and live in west, dress and act as westerners...Why do they want to imitate inferior cultures???

 

WHen the evltuion of souls comes to near end, all beings must turn to Aryavarta...the brahmin nation which rules the world from the beginning until the end of Time..

 

 

 

Sourav <souravc108 > wrote:

 

 

 

|| Hare Raama Krsna ||

|| Durgaa Saranam ||

Dear Silva-ji,

namaskar.

1. When Lord (avataara) taken birth amongst us, it is not that they have done a bad karma out of ignorance. It is His sporting nature (lilaa) that he comes to us to keep us on the path of dharma (as stated by Sri Krsna in The Gita). You can say that birth/rebirth must be due to discharging some karma, then we can say that it is to discharge a heavy debt of the dharma of the Universe that Vishwapati incarnates Himself.

Grahas are all within and we are not under 'control' of grahas; in true essence, we are under the control of our own ignorance. Grahas only bear the signatures of our evolutionary development i.e coming out and going back into ignorance of our True Nature. Lord is Sarvagna, Omniscient and hence cannot be under control of grahas. However, when Lord takes birth, the signatures in the sky corroborate that. That is why there are certain indications/yogas when Mahaapurushas come.

Lord Visnu protected his devotee Naarada from marrying a beautiful girl and getting trapped in the mires of samsaara. Naarada didn't understand this true intent and cursed Lord Vishnu to suffer from a similar situation. That is why Lord Visnu took birth in form of Sri Raama (avataara) and sufferred the consequences and to keep the spoken word of this great devotee.

2. Upaayas are measures to rectify what is already wrong. If you have a slow car and take the main road, then you will reach destination after a long time. But if you look into the map (bhavishyat) and try to chart a new route and turn the steering appropriately, you will perhaps take a different route than what you were about to and reach the destination with a little less trouble.

A huge natural force and long period of time is needed to build a mountain of rocks. But with a few sticks of dynamite and controlled explosions, that mountain (of karma ) can be brought down. Only a true Daivagna or jyotishi is an expert as to tell you where in the cracks and crevices of the mountain you should plant the few dynamite sticks. Otherwise, explosions will be futile or will not provide satisfactory result. The strength of explosion is the strength of your faith. So if you don't have faith then inspite of strategically locating those sticks of dynamite, the mountain of karma cannot be crumbled. So have faith in remedial measures. Above all, have faith in God as He will take you in the right path. As Thakur used to say, the wind (of grace of God) is always blowing, we have to unfurl our sails (faith) and take advantage of it. Thakur also taught to test a Guru and only take refuge in him after verifying that he is a guru of high caliber.

Best wishes,

Sourav

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sohamsa , silva graduate <silvagraduate wrote:>> If the Lord Rama also were under Navagraha control, I really wonder what is the effective ness of the remedies propagated here. It seems most of Upayas are not really tested by the people who is giving advices.> > for example. if Sade Sathi is lessened by going to some mountain and going upon the hill on feet, what that recompense the sins committed by the one suffereing?> > In other words, if the past evil karma is nullified by going mountain, feeding crows, it fundamentally violates the law of justice. What one does, one receives. To advice without due consideration many remedies seems teh Buddhistic trap, I mean charging money to propitiate ancenstors, etc., these unVedic practices that killed vedic civilisation and corrputed all buddhists nations.> > Sincere remedies are to do seva at hostpitals, nursing homes, orphanages,,,instead of doing active good, what good does it do if one prays this god and that goddess, go on mountain on feet or not.> > > > Sanjay Rath sanjayrath wrote:>  > > | om gurave namah |> Dear Venkatesh> Mula dasa shows the aperational period of the curse and that does not mean that it ends when the operation is over. For example when Sri Rama lost Sita during the operation of the curse during Saturn mula dasa, He got Her back but then even after that Saturn came in the form of a washerman and He again lost Sita. So the curse continued to operate. A lot depends on the nature of the curse and how it shall function. Continued remedy is the only panacea against strong curses.> Best wishes and warm regards,> Sanjay Rath> > Personal: WebPages ◠Rath’s Rhapsody > SJC WebPages: Sri Jagannath Center ◠SJCERC ◠JIVA> Publications: The Jyotish Digest ◠Sagittarius Publications> ----> > > > > > sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of Venkatesh S> Tuesday, October 24, 2006 5:06 PM> sohamsa > Cc: guruji Re: Fwd: RE: Trouble from Sons - Curse Sanjay Rath> > > > |JAI SRIRAM|> > Dear Guruji,> > From the Moola dasa of Saturn the operative period of the curse ended on 23-sep-2000.Still the curse is there and the remedy is required.> > Regards,> S.Venkatesh> > Sanjay Rathguruji wrote: sohamsa , "Sanjay Rath" wrote:> > > > > om gurave namah> Dear Srinivasa> Curse of Guru is responsible for this as children and welath and> happiness> is lost. Propitiation of Lord Shiva with the Shiva Sahasranama is> one of the> solutions. Alternatively the native should regularly recite mantras> to> propitiate Dakshinamurty.> With Best Wishes & Warm Regards,> Sanjay Rath> WebPages:> SJC: http://.org> Personal: http://srath.com> Long Distance Lessons: http://jiva.us> Publications & Books: http://sagittariuspublications.com> > > sohamsa [sohamsa ] On> Behalf Of> padmanu> Monday, September 11, 2006 9:25 PM> sohamsa > Trouble from Sons - Curse> > Om Gurave Namah> > Dear Guruvarya,> > Namasthe. Please look at the following chart of gentleman who is> suffering> on account of both his sons. He retired from a well respected> government> job. Though he did not have good education himself rose to a good> position> before his retirement(Moon in the 10th Meena).> Both his sons are not very well educated. First is a govt school> teacher,> and has changed after marriage. Does not heed to father and is> trying take> his father's wealth( this is after marriage).> Second son has become wayward right from when he was around 14. He> left> education and became a police home guard, but it is temporary.> He> has married a muslim girl and recently became a drunkard. Indebted> to others> etc.> I see a curse involved in 4th house on Guru and Ravi(??) from graha> dristi> from Kuja in first and Sani in 2nd. Also is there a 4th house dristi> from> Rahu?> > Is Surya the Putrakaraka giving curse or/and Guru the Pitrukaraka> giving> curse. This person also had trouble from his father, who was opposed> to him> when he married a women from another caste.> Trouble from his second started when the Moola dasa of his> Atmakaraka Budha> had started.> > I am assuming since the curse is in the 4th house a kendra it may be> reduced> by propitiation.> > I request the Gurujan on this board to please guide me in> understanding the> chart and also any remedies that I can convey to the native.> > This is my humble request with folded hands to one and all.> > Pranam> > Om Sree Lakshmi Narayanaya Namah> > Srinivasa> > Native - Varada Rajagopala Rao> > Natal Chart> > September 22, 1945> Time: 23:24:00> Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)> Place: 80 E 05' 00", 15 N 09' 00"> Altitude: 0.00 meters> > Lunar Yr-Mo: Parthiva - Bhadrapada> Tithi: Krishna Dwitiya (Mo) (96.60% left)> Vedic Weekday: Saturday (Sa)> Nakshatra: Revati (Me) (84.98% left)> Yoga: Vriddhi (Me) (13.02% left)> Karana: Taitula (Me) (93.21% left)> Hora Lord: Sun (5 min sign: Sc)> Mahakala Hora: Sun (5 min sign: Vi)> Kaala Lord: Venus (Mahakala: Venus)> > Sunrise: 6:02:05> Sunset: 18:02:51> Janma Ghatis: 43.4135> > Ayanamsa: 23-05-39.43> Sidereal Time: 23:19:14> > > > > > > > ! om tat sat !> Footnotes:> 1. Let us share our thoughts and knowledge like the Sun God Surya> shares his> light with the entire planet, without bias and without emotions. Let> us rise> in praise to that supreme significator of the soul of all creatures.> 2. You don't have to reply if you feel that there is a waste of> energy. Use> the energy given by Surya well.> 3. This mail is just another view, and who else other than Surya> Himself> knows the perfect truth. So say - om tat sat.> 4. The contents above are the views of one individual and do not> represent> the groups views nor that of the group owner.>

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Namaskaar SriThough you have desired that this email be shared between Sri Sanjay Rathji and Sri Sourav, somehow it has been posted in the group. I am taking the liberty to respond to some of your queries.

By doing mantra japa, noone bends the law of karma. Infact, mantra japa itself is a karma. So one humbly submits one's ego to the Lord and prays. That prayer act as a Karma and is bound to have a result. Since the Lord is the Karmaphaladata, one cannot say what result one will get. However, through experience and pointers in Shastras one can understand that by doing Japa one can look forward to some results. Besides, if one does Mantra Japa for the needs of Artha and Kama, the Dharma is preserved - unless one does any of the mantras for Tamasic purposes (Vashikaran, Killing, etc). Among the four purusharthas - the pursuits of Artha and Kama, if done preserving the Dharma, are sanctioned.

There is a growing tendency to call anything as selfish. The Upanishad says " Atmanastu Kamaya Sarvam Priyam Bhavati " - This statement proves that one does all for oneself. The question is what does a person define as " self " . Is it the smaller self or is it the whole Self or is it any of the levels of identification with the others? Even the pursuit of Moksha be called selfish, because it is done for oneself. The idea that one gives can give rise to major Ego problems. I know of a gentleman who has donated large sums of money to have his name engraved on the front door of a temple. The danam should be done anonymously and that too for joy. Now getting joy can also be called Selfish! Now, where does one hide this selfishness? It is best to let the Self " expand " to encompass the whole. In other words, realize one's True Self. Furthermore, when nothing exists but Brahman, then what is evil? Why call a land Evil? Buddhists may be following their own tradition, let us not comment upon them. What good will one achieve by calling names to others?

You have also expressed desire to do something good for the world and would like to share this - The greatest thing you can do to the world, is to find your own Self and come out of a silly cycle of good-evil, etc. One less ego is the best for the world. Believe me, I am not joking. One cannot change the other. The very notion that one controls the other, is a false one. Each person can change oneself. Only when another submits with reverence, that you can change the other. Before anyone submits to you, you will have to full of compassion and knowledge. Either way you look, it is best to seek the True Self.These comments are not to start a debate, so kindly refrain from it.Thanks and RegardsBharat

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This is rather a confidendial matter and I request this email be shared only with Sanjayji and you. I see that SJC is ISKCON similar line of thought, that means holds Sri Krsna as Supreme God.

However, Veda ( samhita potions only genuine ) do not proclaim this view. Abhay Charan De and his followers always call the other Deities as demi-gods but this is only ISKCON point of view following ISKCON translation of Gita. Gita is purana, not shaastra, so it cannot surpass the Vedas which is the source of all knowledge.

I myself understand some Upaya are very scienfitic and logical. All entities are under Navagraha ( at leaset in our Solar Systm ). So, if some people have Shani dosha, it is understandable that they must feed crows or serve old or homeless, black dogs, etc, since all entities are united in energy level ( Unified Field Theory ).

But what I really have question is, that by chanting Navagraha mantra or going up the mountain in bear foot, which actually do not remedy any beings' suffering, that somehow our past eveil deeds are nullified.

This common theorem propagated by Hindu astrologers have not answer the Law of Cause and Effect. Suppose someone killes others for money. Then in next or immidiate life, he must suffere poverty and violent death.

How, by supplicating deities which do not have any authority to bend the Law of CAUSE AND EFFECT which even God cannot do, mitigate our sufffering. In other words, if we repent and do great works to help and heal all beings around us, our life become worthy and necessary for the existence.

But many selfish men such as some fool who ask for a mantra for beauty which is abslultely childish ( in this forum ), believes by

mumbling quasi Sanskrit words ( Sanskrit is very accurate language and must be enunciated properly ) advocates Navagraha mantras and other concocted works of post Mahabharata Hinduims. I for example chanted certain Navagraha mantra from morning to sunset without food, drink and toilet, compleated the numbers required, Nothing happened.

My Tamil Brahmin friend ( real brahmin by birth and qualification and the works of charity ) also know many mantras and tested, but popular Navagraha tantrik mantras did not work ).

I find, that the puja by proxy advocated by HIndus and Buddhists, Roman catholics have fundamentally selfish. One's own tapas is the key to lessen the karmic retribution, not some paid pujari who have no interest nor compassion for unknown men who send money from somewhere.

I believe there are genuine Upaya. The best of all is to help

children, women, animals and handicapped. But theere is no such remedies chanting mantras or going on to some mountain in India...not in the Vedas, BPHS and other ancient works of sages.

I think Kali yuga, we all seek easy remediy. Indeed the qualified Vedic astrologers are vicar of Mahakala; they can discern life and death matter. But how few are those...I think we can count those in our hands.

Another fundamental problem for praying to particular deity is this: Navagraha have been entrusted to execute the dispensation of karma. What authority some gods or goddesses have to override Navagraha?

Bringing and quoting puranas cannot stand a logical argument. Saiva, Vaishnava, Shakta all have their supreme boooks which were written by their co-religioninsts who proclaims

that their god is Supreme. The Vedas ( samhita ) do not proclaim these sectarian ideas. Another matter is, only when one repent so deeply and actively involve wealfare of others, there is real need for Universe to preserve his life even his karma be so evil.

What power of curse normal human beings have, be they mothers, fathers, etc, who have no vak-siddhi at all. Pitri tarpana and all other false dogma which teaches we can do something for the dead is contrary to the Vedas ( samhita only. brahmana and other parts do not constitute the Vedas ).

If someone can donate money to copulating and glutton pujari of mandir can the dead be escaope from damnation? This is Mayavadi teaching which is most prevalent in buddhist nations.

Of all religions, nothing is so devastating to human spirit but the budhism. Mohammedanism is much

better than nihilistic philosophy. Sans Dieu, pas spiritualite ( a word of great Quebecois devotee of Krsna ) So, what I am finding is, many physically living gurus of well known have some questionable practice..

I was greatly attached to a female guru from South India who does Jagadyatra... But her organisation starts more and more online puja,,,done by some pujari far away for money...

Whan an American caucasian youth of 30s who is not even svami started conduct navagraha puja and homa ( ganapati homa , etc ) in the Evil Empire, I was devastated... Why this guru who is no doubt Kaliavatar allow her organisation do such buddhistic practicves...

Many ISKCON gurus absconded with money and women, abused chuildren...documented facts. So is lier Mukrtananda of SYDA, so is Rajneesh, so is Ravishanker, Maheshi Yogi,,,,all

shame of India who desecrated the Aryavarta by their evil ways... In other pantehons stands Bhagavan Ramakrsna, Bhagavan Shiridi Baba, Bhagavan Sathya Sai Baba......and countless unknown but genuine saints of Aryavarta....

The sincere ex-Indian born as foreigners is this: how to find a Sadguru and can settle and survive ( economically ) in India... Despite of evil Western and Mohamedan influence, still in India genuine saints lives, and innocent and loving Indians live...

So, knowing I have only only 2 and half years before coming Sade Sathi, I must find a Sadguru who is not inudated by foreign devotees ( which makes sadhana impossible since they come to India as tourists ).

I must find in colder climate, such as Chandigah, Simla, etc, a sadguru who can really guide me one on one in

many Puja-viddhi.... But my fear is, as my chart indicates, that may be Lord Saturn is luring me into India so that He can totally annihilate me by ganged up by dacoits attack ( as per my chart ).

Death is salvation to me. But I have a sacred Mission to sell my parental property and transfer money to safely India, instead of buddhist relatives and the Evil Government of Evil Empire taking money for themselv.

I am the only son, and depite of my huge respects for Indian deities, I still am not married nor have children ( I am in my 40s ) I wonder, may be all of Indian lore are Indian hyperbole...But my pbservation of Jyotish and its accuracy tells me that the race who developed this Divine Science cannot be wrong...From a prostitute to multi-millionaire, all ages and all races I ahve interviewed, the charts exactly tells what they are...have been

through.... So please realise this fact..Silvagraduate surrenders totaaly at the feet of All Vedic deities, Avatars, Rishis, Siddhas, Yogis and Sannyasins, and seeking their help but I am sinking deeply into the nefarious world of desparation...

What remedial measures do you or Pandit Sanjayji consider effective, when the Yogakaraka RetrograteShani dev in his own house is directly opposed to by the badhaka lord Sun afflicted atmakaraka Mercury..

If I were to go down, I must at least do some good to the world but I cannot do that even for I have to fight so many battles for exitences, and I sense my life is totally useless for me and the world...

But whart you say is true,,,All devata and navagraha are within...It is that Maya,s lid is so strong, we cannot really identify what we truly are....SatchitAnanda... I do

not know where you are Souravji, but if you were in Aryavarta, God bless! That is the only land, together with the United States, that I found worhty for adoration and loyalty ( I lived all western EU nations and Switzerland but compare to these, India and USA are the only nations that have genuine Greatness )

I sometimes see many NRI people who left India and live in west, dress and act as westerners...Why do they want to imitate inferior cultures??? WHen the evltuion of souls comes to near end, all beings must turn to Aryavarta...the brahmin nation which rules the world from the beginning until the end of Time..

Sourav <souravc108 wrote:

|| Hare Raama Krsna || || Durgaa Saranam || Dear Silva-ji,

namaskar. 1. When Lord (avataara) taken birth amongst us, it is not that they have done a bad karma out of ignorance. It is His sporting nature (lilaa) that he comes to us to keep us on the path of dharma (as stated by Sri Krsna in The Gita). You can say that birth/rebirth must be due

to discharging some karma, then we can say that it is to discharge a heavy debt of the dharma of the Universe that Vishwapati incarnates Himself. Grahas are all within and we are not under 'control' of grahas; in true essence, we are under the control of our own ignorance. Grahas only bear the signatures of our evolutionary development i.e coming out and going back into ignorance of our True Nature. Lord is Sarvagna, Omniscient and hence cannot be under control of grahas. However, when Lord takes birth, the signatures in the sky corroborate that. That is why there are certain indications/yogas when Mahaapurushas come.

Lord Visnu protected his devotee Naarada from marrying a beautiful girl and getting trapped in the mires of samsaara. Naarada didn't understand this true intent and cursed Lord Vishnu to suffer from a similar situation. That is why Lord Visnu took birth in form of Sri Raama (avataara) and sufferred the consequences and to keep

the spoken word of this great devotee. 2. Upaayas are measures to rectify what is already wrong. If you have a slow car and take the main road, then you will reach destination after a long time. But if you look into the map (bhavishyat) and try to chart a new route and turn the steering appropriately, you will perhaps take a different route than what you were about to and reach the destination with a little less trouble. A huge natural force and long period of time is needed to build a mountain of rocks. But with a few sticks of dynamite and controlled explosions, that mountain (of karma ) can be brought down. Only a true Daivagna or jyotishi is an expert as to tell you where in the cracks and crevices of the mountain you should plant the few dynamite sticks. Otherwise, explosions will be futile or will not provide satisfactory result. The strength of explosion is the strength of your faith. So if you don't have faith then inspite of strategically

locating those sticks of dynamite, the mountain of karma cannot be crumbled. So have faith in remedial measures. Above all, have faith in God as He will take you in the right path. As Thakur used to say, the wind (of grace of God) is always blowing, we have to unfurl our sails (faith) and take advantage of it. Thakur also taught to test a Guru and only take refuge in him after verifying that he is a guru of high caliber.

Best wishes, Sourav ===============================================================================================================

sohamsa , silva graduate <silvagraduate wrote:>> If the Lord Rama also were under Navagraha control, I really wonder what is the effective ness of the remedies propagated here. It seems most of Upayas are not really tested by the people who is giving

advices.> > for example. if Sade Sathi is lessened by going to some mountain and going upon the hill on feet, what that recompense the sins committed by the one suffereing?> > In other words, if the past evil karma is nullified by going mountain, feeding crows, it fundamentally violates the law of justice. What one does, one receives. To advice without due consideration many remedies seems teh Buddhistic trap, I mean charging money to propitiate ancenstors, etc., these unVedic practices that killed vedic civilisation and corrputed all buddhists nations.

> > Sincere remedies are to do seva at hostpitals, nursing homes, orphanages,,,instead of doing active good, what good does it do if one prays this god and that goddess, go on mountain on feet or not.> > > > Sanjay Rath sanjayrath wrote:> > > | om gurave namah |> Dear Venkatesh> Mula dasa shows the

aperational period of the curse and that does not mean that it ends when the operation is over. For example when Sri Rama lost Sita during the operation of the curse during Saturn mula dasa, He got Her back but then even after that Saturn came in the form of a washerman and He again lost Sita. So the curse continued to operate. A lot depends on the nature of the curse and how it shall function. Continued remedy is the only panacea against strong curses.

> Best wishes and warm regards,> Sanjay Rath> > Personal: WebPages ¡ü Rath's Rhapsody > SJC WebPages: Sri Jagannath Center ¡ü SJCERC ¡ü JIVA

> Publications: The Jyotish Digest ¡ü Sagittarius Publications> ----> > > > >

> sohamsa [

sohamsa ] On Behalf Of Venkatesh S> Tuesday, October 24, 2006 5:06 PM> sohamsa

> Cc: guruji Re: Fwd: RE: Trouble from Sons - Curse Sanjay Rath> > > > |JAI SRIRAM|> > Dear Guruji,> > From the Moola dasa of Saturn the operative period of the curse ended on 23-sep-2000.Still the curse is there and the remedy is required.> > Regards,> S.Venkatesh> > Sanjay Rathguruji wrote: sohamsa

, " Sanjay Rath " wrote:> > > > > om gurave namah> Dear Srinivasa> Curse of Guru is responsible for this as children and welath and> happiness> is lost. Propitiation of Lord Shiva with the Shiva Sahasranama

is> one of the> solutions. Alternatively the native should regularly recite mantras> to> propitiate Dakshinamurty.> With Best Wishes & Warm Regards,> Sanjay Rath> WebPages:

> SJC: http://.org> Personal:

http://srath.com> Long Distance Lessons: http://jiva.us> Publications & Books:

http://sagittariuspublications.com> > > sohamsa [

sohamsa ] On> Behalf Of> padmanu> Monday, September 11, 2006 9:25 PM> sohamsa

> Trouble from Sons - Curse> > Om Gurave Namah> > Dear Guruvarya,> > Namasthe. Please look at the following chart of gentleman who is> suffering

> on account of both his sons. He retired from a well

respected> government> job. Though he did not have good education himself rose to a good> position> before his retirement(Moon in the 10th Meena).> Both his sons are not very well educated. First is a govt school

> teacher,> and has changed after marriage. Does not heed to father and is> trying take> his father's wealth( this is after marriage).> Second son has become wayward right from when he was around 14. He

> left> education and became a police home guard, but it is temporary.> He> has married a muslim girl and recently became a drunkard. Indebted> to others> etc.> I see a curse involved in 4th house on Guru and Ravi(??) from graha

> dristi> from Kuja in first and Sani in 2nd. Also is there a 4th house dristi> from> Rahu?> > Is Surya the Putrakaraka giving curse or/and Guru the Pitrukaraka> giving

>

curse. This person also had trouble from his father, who was opposed> to him> when he married a women from another caste.> Trouble from his second started when the Moola dasa of his> Atmakaraka Budha

> had started.> > I am assuming since the curse is in the 4th house a kendra it may be> reduced> by propitiation.> > I request the Gurujan on this board to please guide me in

> understanding the> chart and also any remedies that I can convey to the native.> > This is my humble request with folded hands to one and all.> > Pranam> > Om Sree Lakshmi Narayanaya Namah

> > Srinivasa> > Native - Varada Rajagopala Rao> > Natal Chart> > September 22, 1945> Time: 23:24:00> Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)> Place: 80 E 05' 00 " , 15 N 09' 00 "

> Altitude: 0.00 meters>

> Lunar Yr-Mo: Parthiva - Bhadrapada> Tithi: Krishna Dwitiya (Mo) (96.60% left)> Vedic Weekday: Saturday (Sa)> Nakshatra: Revati (Me) (84.98% left)> Yoga: Vriddhi (Me) (13.02% left)

> Karana: Taitula (Me) (93.21% left)> Hora Lord: Sun (5 min sign: Sc)> Mahakala Hora: Sun (5 min sign: Vi)> Kaala Lord: Venus (Mahakala: Venus)> > Sunrise: 6:02:05> Sunset: 18:02:51

> Janma Ghatis: 43.4135> > Ayanamsa: 23-05-39.43> Sidereal Time: 23:19:14> > > > > > > > ! om tat sat !> Footnotes:> 1. Let us share our thoughts and knowledge like the Sun God Surya

> shares his> light with the entire planet, without bias and without emotions. Let> us rise> in praise to that supreme significator of the soul of all creatures.> 2. You don't have to reply if you feel that there is a waste

of> energy. Use> the energy given by Surya well.> 3. This mail is just another view, and who else other than Surya> Himself> knows the perfect truth. So say - om tat sat.> 4. The contents above are the views of one individual and do not

> represent> the groups views nor that of the group owner.>