Fwd: RE: Trouble from Sons - Curse Sanjay Rath

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|JAI SRIRAM| Dear Guruji, From the Moola dasa of Saturn the operative period of the curse ended on 23-sep-2000.Still the curse is there and the remedy is required. Regards, S.VenkateshSanjay Rath<guruji wrote: sohamsa , "Sanjay Rath" wrote:om gurave namahDear SrinivasaCurse of Guru is responsible for this as children and welath andhappinessis lost. Propitiation of Lord Shiva with the Shiva Sahasranama isone of thesolutions. Alternatively the native should regularly recite mantrastopropitiate Dakshinamurty.With Best Wishes & Warm Regards,Sanjay RathWebPages:SJC: http://.orgPersonal:

http://srath.comLong Distance Lessons: http://jiva.usPublications & Books: http://sagittariuspublications.com-----Original Message-----sohamsa [sohamsa ] OnBehalf OfpadmanuMonday, September 11, 2006 9:25 PMsohamsa Subject: Trouble from Sons - CurseOm Gurave NamahDear Guruvarya,Namasthe. Please look at the following chart of gentleman who issufferingon account of both his sons. He retired from a well respectedgovernmentjob. Though he did not have good education himself rose to a goodpositionbefore his retirement(Moon in the 10th Meena).Both his sons are not very well educated. First is a govt schoolteacher,and has changed after marriage. Does not heed to father and istrying takehis father's wealth( this is after marriage).Second son has become wayward right from when he was around

14. Helefteducation and became a police home guard, but it is temporary.Hehas married a muslim girl and recently became a drunkard. Indebtedto othersetc.I see a curse involved in 4th house on Guru and Ravi(??) from grahadristifrom Kuja in first and Sani in 2nd. Also is there a 4th house dristifromRahu? Is Surya the Putrakaraka giving curse or/and Guru the Pitrukarakagivingcurse. This person also had trouble from his father, who was opposedto himwhen he married a women from another caste.Trouble from his second started when the Moola dasa of hisAtmakaraka Budhahad started.I am assuming since the curse is in the 4th house a kendra it may bereducedby propitiation.I request the Gurujan on this board to please guide me inunderstanding thechart and also any remedies that I can convey to the native.This is my humble request with folded hands to one and

all.PranamOm Sree Lakshmi Narayanaya NamahSrinivasaNative - Varada Rajagopala RaoNatal ChartSeptember 22, 1945Time: 23:24:00Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)Place: 80 E 05' 00", 15 N 09' 00"Altitude: 0.00 metersLunar Yr-Mo: Parthiva - BhadrapadaTithi: Krishna Dwitiya (Mo) (96.60% left)Vedic Weekday: Saturday (Sa)Nakshatra: Revati (Me) (84.98% left)Yoga: Vriddhi (Me) (13.02% left)Karana: Taitula (Me) (93.21% left)Hora Lord: Sun (5 min sign: Sc)Mahakala Hora: Sun (5 min sign: Vi)Kaala Lord: Venus (Mahakala: Venus)Sunrise: 6:02:05Sunset: 18:02:51Janma Ghatis: 43.4135Ayanamsa: 23-05-39.43Sidereal Time: 23:19:14! om tat sat !Footnotes:1. Let us share our thoughts and knowledge like the Sun God Suryashares

hislight with the entire planet, without bias and without emotions. Letus risein praise to that supreme significator of the soul of all creatures.2. You don't have to reply if you feel that there is a waste ofenergy. Usethe energy given by Surya well.3. This mail is just another view, and who else other than SuryaHimselfknows the perfect truth. So say - om tat sat.4. The contents above are the views of one individual and do notrepresentthe groups views nor that of the group owner.

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| om gurave namah |Dear Venkatesh

Mula dasa shows the aperational period of the curse and that does not mean that it ends when the operation is over. For example when Sri Rama lost Sita during the operation of the curse during Saturn mula dasa, He got Her back but then even after that Saturn came in the form of a washerman and He again lost Sita. So the curse continued to operate. A lot depends on the nature of the curse and how it shall function. Continued remedy is the only panacea against strong curses.Best wishes and warm regards,Sanjay RathPersonal: WebPages ◠Rath’s Rhapsody SJC WebPages: Sri Jagannath Center ◠SJCERC ◠JIVAPublications: The Jyotish Digest ◠Sagittarius Publications----

 

 

 

 

sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of Venkatesh STuesday, October 24, 2006 5:06 PMsohamsa Cc: gurujiSubject: Re: Fwd: RE: Trouble from Sons - Curse Sanjay Rath

 

 

|JAI SRIRAM|Dear Guruji, From the Moola dasa of Saturn the operative period of the curse ended on 23-sep-2000.Still the curse is there and the remedy is required.Regards,S.VenkateshSanjay Rath<guruji (AT) srath (DOT) com> wrote:

sohamsa , "Sanjay Rath" wrote:om gurave namahDear SrinivasaCurse of Guru is responsible for this as children and welath andhappinessis lost. Propitiation of Lord Shiva with the Shiva Sahasranama isone of thesolutions. Alternatively the native should regularly recite mantrastopropitiate Dakshinamurty.With Best Wishes & Warm Regards,Sanjay RathWebPages:SJC: http://.orgPersonal: http://srath.comLong Distance Lessons: http://jiva.usPublications & Books: http://sagittariuspublications.com-----Original Message-----sohamsa [sohamsa ] OnBehalf OfpadmanuMonday, September 11, 2006 9:25 PMsohamsa Subject: Trouble from Sons - CurseOm Gurave NamahDear Guruvarya,Namasthe. Please look at the following chart of gentleman who issufferingon account of both his sons. He retired from a well respectedgovernmentjob. Though he did not have good education himself rose to a goodpositionbefore his retirement(Moon in the 10th Meena).Both his sons are not very well educated. First is a govt schoolteacher,and has changed after marriage. Does not heed to father and istrying takehis father's wealth( this is after marriage).Second son has become wayward right from when he was around 14. Helefteducation and became a police home guard, but it is temporary.Hehas married a muslim girl and recently became a drunkard. Indebtedto othersetc.I see a curse involved in 4th house on Guru and Ravi(??) from grahadristifrom Kuja in first and Sani in 2nd. Also is there a 4th house dristifromRahu?Is Surya the Putrakaraka giving curse or/and Guru the Pitrukarakagivingcurse. This person also had trouble from his father, who was opposedto himwhen he married a women from another caste.Trouble from his second started when the Moola dasa of hisAtmakaraka Budhahad started.I am assuming since the curse is in the 4th house a kendra it may bereducedby propitiation.I request the Gurujan on this board to please guide me inunderstanding thechart and also any remedies that I can convey to the native.This is my humble request with folded hands to one and all.PranamOm Sree Lakshmi Narayanaya NamahSrinivasaNative - Varada Rajagopala RaoNatal ChartSeptember 22, 1945Time: 23:24:00Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)Place: 80 E 05' 00", 15 N 09' 00"Altitude: 0.00 metersLunar Yr-Mo: Parthiva - BhadrapadaTithi: Krishna Dwitiya (Mo) (96.60% left)Vedic Weekday: Saturday (Sa)Nakshatra: Revati (Me) (84.98% left)Yoga: Vriddhi (Me) (13.02% left)Karana: Taitula (Me) (93.21% left)Hora Lord: Sun (5 min sign: Sc)Mahakala Hora: Sun (5 min sign: Vi)Kaala Lord: Venus (Mahakala: Venus)Sunrise: 6:02:05Sunset: 18:02:51Janma Ghatis: 43.4135Ayanamsa: 23-05-39.43Sidereal Time: 23:19:14! om tat sat !Footnotes:1. Let us share our thoughts and knowledge like the Sun God Suryashares hislight with the entire planet, without bias and without emotions. Letus risein praise to that supreme significator of the soul of all creatures.2. You don't have to reply if you feel that there is a waste ofenergy. Usethe energy given by Surya well.3. This mail is just another view, and who else other than SuryaHimselfknows the perfect truth. So say - om tat sat.4. The contents above are the views of one individual and do notrepresentthe groups views nor that of the group owner.

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If the Lord Rama also were under Navagraha control, I really wonder what is the effective ness of the remedies propagated here. It seems most of Upayas are not really tested by the people who is giving advices. for example. if Sade Sathi is lessened by going to some mountain and going upon the hill on feet, what that recompense the sins committed by the one suffereing? In other words, if the past evil karma is nullified by going mountain, feeding crows, it fundamentally violates the law of justice. What one does, one receives. To advice without due consideration many remedies seems teh Buddhistic trap, I mean charging money to propitiate ancenstors, etc., these unVedic practices that killed vedic civilisation and corrputed all buddhists nations. Sincere remedies are to do seva at hostpitals, nursing homes, orphanages,,,instead of doing active good, what good does it do if one

prays this god and that goddess, go on mountain on feet or not. Sanjay Rath <sanjayrath wrote:  | om gurave namah |Dear Venkatesh Mula dasa shows the aperational period of the curse and that does not mean that it ends when the operation is over. For example when Sri Rama lost Sita during the operation of the curse during Saturn mula dasa, He got Her back but then even after that Saturn came in the form of a washerman and He again lost Sita. So the curse continued to operate. A lot depends on the nature of the curse and how it shall function. Continued remedy is the only panacea against strong curses.Best wishes and warm regards,Sanjay RathPersonal: WebPages ◠Rath’s Rhapsody SJC

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[sohamsa ] On Behalf Of Venkatesh STuesday, October 24, 2006 5:06 PMsohamsa Cc: guruji (AT) srath (DOT) comSubject: Re: Fwd: RE: Trouble from Sons - Curse Sanjay Rath |JAI SRIRAM|Dear Guruji, From the Moola dasa of Saturn the operative period of the curse ended on 23-sep-2000.Still the curse is there and the remedy is required.Regards,S.VenkateshSanjay Rath<guruji (AT) srath (DOT) com> wrote: sohamsa , "Sanjay Rath" wrote:om gurave namahDear SrinivasaCurse of Guru is responsible for this as children and welath andhappinessis lost.

Propitiation of Lord Shiva with the Shiva Sahasranama isone of thesolutions. Alternatively the native should regularly recite mantrastopropitiate Dakshinamurty.With Best Wishes & Warm Regards,Sanjay RathWebPages:SJC: http://.orgPersonal: http://srath.comLong Distance Lessons: http://jiva.usPublications & Books: http://sagittariuspublications.com-----Original Message-----sohamsa [sohamsa ] OnBehalf OfpadmanuMonday, September 11, 2006 9:25 PMsohamsa Subject: Trouble from Sons - CurseOm Gurave NamahDear Guruvarya,Namasthe. Please look at the following chart of gentleman who issufferingon account of both his sons. He retired from a well respectedgovernmentjob. Though he did not have good education himself rose to a

goodpositionbefore his retirement(Moon in the 10th Meena).Both his sons are not very well educated. First is a govt schoolteacher,and has changed after marriage. Does not heed to father and istrying takehis father's wealth( this is after marriage).Second son has become wayward right from when he was around 14. Helefteducation and became a police home guard, but it is temporary.Hehas married a muslim girl and recently became a drunkard. Indebtedto othersetc.I see a curse involved in 4th house on Guru and Ravi(??) from grahadristifrom Kuja in first and Sani in 2nd. Also is there a 4th house dristifromRahu?Is Surya the Putrakaraka giving curse or/and Guru the Pitrukarakagivingcurse. This person also had trouble from his father, who was opposedto himwhen he married a women from another caste.Trouble from his second started when the Moola dasa of hisAtmakaraka

Budhahad started.I am assuming since the curse is in the 4th house a kendra it may bereducedby propitiation.I request the Gurujan on this board to please guide me inunderstanding thechart and also any remedies that I can convey to the native.This is my humble request with folded hands to one and all.PranamOm Sree Lakshmi Narayanaya NamahSrinivasaNative - Varada Rajagopala RaoNatal ChartSeptember 22, 1945Time: 23:24:00Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)Place: 80 E 05' 00", 15 N 09' 00"Altitude: 0.00 metersLunar Yr-Mo: Parthiva - BhadrapadaTithi: Krishna Dwitiya (Mo) (96.60% left)Vedic Weekday: Saturday (Sa)Nakshatra: Revati (Me) (84.98% left)Yoga: Vriddhi (Me) (13.02% left)Karana: Taitula (Me) (93.21% left)Hora Lord: Sun (5 min sign: Sc)Mahakala Hora: Sun (5 min sign: Vi)Kaala Lord: Venus (Mahakala: Venus)Sunrise:

6:02:05Sunset: 18:02:51Janma Ghatis: 43.4135Ayanamsa: 23-05-39.43Sidereal Time: 23:19:14! om tat sat !Footnotes:1. Let us share our thoughts and knowledge like the Sun God Suryashares hislight with the entire planet, without bias and without emotions. Letus risein praise to that supreme significator of the soul of all creatures.2. You don't have to reply if you feel that there is a waste ofenergy. Usethe energy given by Surya well.3. This mail is just another view, and who else other than SuryaHimselfknows the perfect truth. So say - om tat sat.4. The contents above are the views of one individual and do notrepresentthe groups views nor that of the group owner.

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|| Hare Raama Krsna ||

|| Durgaa Saranam ||

Dear Silva-ji,

namaskar.

1. When Lord (avataara) taken birth amongst us, it is not that they have done a bad karma out of ignorance. It is His sporting nature (lilaa) that he comes to us to keep us on the path of dharma (as stated by Sri Krsna in The Gita). You can say that birth/rebirth must be due to discharging some karma, then we can say that it is to discharge a heavy debt of the dharma of the Universe that Vishwapati incarnates Himself.

Grahas are all within and we are not under 'control' of grahas; in true essence, we are under the control of our own ignorance. Grahas only bear the signatures of our evolutionary development i.e coming out and going back into ignorance of our True Nature. Lord is Sarvagna, Omniscient and hence cannot be under control of grahas. However, when Lord takes birth, the signatures in the sky corroborate that. That is why there are certain indications/yogas when Mahaapurushas come.

Lord Visnu protected his devotee Naarada from marrying a beautiful girl and getting trapped in the mires of samsaara. Naarada didn't understand this true intent and cursed Lord Vishnu to suffer from a similar situation. That is why Lord Visnu took birth in form of Sri Raama (avataara) and sufferred the consequences and to keep the spoken word of this great devotee.

2. Upaayas are measures to rectify what is already wrong. If you have a slow car and take the main road, then you will reach destination after a long time. But if you look into the map (bhavishyat) and try to chart a new route and turn the steering appropriately, you will perhaps take a different route than what you were about to and reach the destination with a little less trouble.

A huge natural force and long period of time is needed to build a mountain of rocks. But with a few sticks of dynamite and controlled explosions, that mountain (of karma ) can be brought down. Only a true Daivagna or jyotishi is an expert as to tell you where in the cracks and crevices of the mountain you should plant the few dynamite sticks. Otherwise, explosions will be futile or will not provide satisfactory result. The strength of explosion is the strength of your faith. So if you don't have faith then inspite of strategically locating those sticks of dynamite, the mountain of karma cannot be crumbled. So have faith in remedial measures. Above all, have faith in God as He will take you in the right path. As Thakur used to say, the wind (of grace of God) is always blowing, we have to unfurl our sails (faith) and take advantage of it. Thakur also taught to test a Guru and only take refuge in him after verifying that he is a guru of high caliber.

Best wishes,

Sourav

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sohamsa , silva graduate <silvagraduate wrote:>> If the Lord Rama also were under Navagraha control, I really wonder what is the effective ness of the remedies propagated here. It seems most of Upayas are not really tested by the people who is giving advices.> > for example. if Sade Sathi is lessened by going to some mountain and going upon the hill on feet, what that recompense the sins committed by the one suffereing?> > In other words, if the past evil karma is nullified by going mountain, feeding crows, it fundamentally violates the law of justice. What one does, one receives. To advice without due consideration many remedies seems teh Buddhistic trap, I mean charging money to propitiate ancenstors, etc., these unVedic practices that killed vedic civilisation and corrputed all buddhists nations.> > Sincere remedies are to do seva at hostpitals, nursing homes, orphanages,,,instead of doing active good, what good does it do if one prays this god and that goddess, go on mountain on feet or not.> > > > Sanjay Rath sanjayrath wrote:>  > > | om gurave namah |> Dear Venkatesh> Mula dasa shows the aperational period of the curse and that does not mean that it ends when the operation is over. For example when Sri Rama lost Sita during the operation of the curse during Saturn mula dasa, He got Her back but then even after that Saturn came in the form of a washerman and He again lost Sita. So the curse continued to operate. A lot depends on the nature of the curse and how it shall function. Continued remedy is the only panacea against strong curses.> Best wishes and warm regards,> Sanjay Rath> > Personal: WebPages ◠Rath’s Rhapsody > SJC WebPages: Sri Jagannath Center ◠SJCERC ◠JIVA> Publications: The Jyotish Digest ◠Sagittarius Publications> ----> > > > > > sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of Venkatesh S> Tuesday, October 24, 2006 5:06 PM> sohamsa > Cc: guruji Re: Fwd: RE: Trouble from Sons - Curse Sanjay Rath> > > > |JAI SRIRAM|> > Dear Guruji,> > From the Moola dasa of Saturn the operative period of the curse ended on 23-sep-2000.Still the curse is there and the remedy is required.> > Regards,> S.Venkatesh> > Sanjay Rathguruji wrote: sohamsa , "Sanjay Rath" wrote:> > > > > om gurave namah> Dear Srinivasa> Curse of Guru is responsible for this as children and welath and> happiness> is lost. Propitiation of Lord Shiva with the Shiva Sahasranama is> one of the> solutions. Alternatively the native should regularly recite mantras> to> propitiate Dakshinamurty.> With Best Wishes & Warm Regards,> Sanjay Rath> WebPages:> SJC: http://.org> Personal: http://srath.com> Long Distance Lessons: http://jiva.us> Publications & Books: http://sagittariuspublications.com> > > sohamsa [sohamsa ] On> Behalf Of> padmanu> Monday, September 11, 2006 9:25 PM> sohamsa > Trouble from Sons - Curse> > Om Gurave Namah> > Dear Guruvarya,> > Namasthe. Please look at the following chart of gentleman who is> suffering> on account of both his sons. He retired from a well respected> government> job. Though he did not have good education himself rose to a good> position> before his retirement(Moon in the 10th Meena).> Both his sons are not very well educated. First is a govt school> teacher,> and has changed after marriage. Does not heed to father and is> trying take> his father's wealth( this is after marriage).> Second son has become wayward right from when he was around 14. He> left> education and became a police home guard, but it is temporary.> He> has married a muslim girl and recently became a drunkard. Indebted> to others> etc.> I see a curse involved in 4th house on Guru and Ravi(??) from graha> dristi> from Kuja in first and Sani in 2nd. Also is there a 4th house dristi> from> Rahu?> > Is Surya the Putrakaraka giving curse or/and Guru the Pitrukaraka> giving> curse. This person also had trouble from his father, who was opposed> to him> when he married a women from another caste.> Trouble from his second started when the Moola dasa of his> Atmakaraka Budha> had started.> > I am assuming since the curse is in the 4th house a kendra it may be> reduced> by propitiation.> > I request the Gurujan on this board to please guide me in> understanding the> chart and also any remedies that I can convey to the native.> > This is my humble request with folded hands to one and all.> > Pranam> > Om Sree Lakshmi Narayanaya Namah> > Srinivasa> > Native - Varada Rajagopala Rao> > Natal Chart> > September 22, 1945> Time: 23:24:00> Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)> Place: 80 E 05' 00", 15 N 09' 00"> Altitude: 0.00 meters> > Lunar Yr-Mo: Parthiva - Bhadrapada> Tithi: Krishna Dwitiya (Mo) (96.60% left)> Vedic Weekday: Saturday (Sa)> Nakshatra: Revati (Me) (84.98% left)> Yoga: Vriddhi (Me) (13.02% left)> Karana: Taitula (Me) (93.21% left)> Hora Lord: Sun (5 min sign: Sc)> Mahakala Hora: Sun (5 min sign: Vi)> Kaala Lord: Venus (Mahakala: Venus)> > Sunrise: 6:02:05> Sunset: 18:02:51> Janma Ghatis: 43.4135> > Ayanamsa: 23-05-39.43> Sidereal Time: 23:19:14> > > > > > > > ! om tat sat !> Footnotes:> 1. Let us share our thoughts and knowledge like the Sun God Surya> shares his> light with the entire planet, without bias and without emotions. Let> us rise> in praise to that supreme significator of the soul of all creatures.> 2. You don't have to reply if you feel that there is a waste of> energy. Use> the energy given by Surya well.> 3. This mail is just another view, and who else other than Surya> Himself> knows the perfect truth. So say - om tat sat.> 4. The contents above are the views of one individual and do not> represent> the groups views nor that of the group owner.>

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Dear Souravji, What a wonderful insight you brings. I sense you must be Bhagavan Sri Ramkrsna's devotee, Thakur is used for Him. Actually, I am tormented of the very fact that unless Divine Grace decend upon me, death in ignorable, poverty and mental debilitation is indicated. Visited Aryavarta 3 times in all humility, searched Neem Karolo Baba or Bbhagaban Shiridi Sai Baba like Avatar, not able to find. I have met many Hindus and Hindu gurus from India...Nevertheless, none of them have a remedy. My only consolation is that I am suffering my own karma, cleary indicated by my chart. Otherwise, I would have murdered my parents and relatives. I am freezing to death in very god-less nation ( name withheld ) where racial prejudice is so pervasive, despite this is considered as immigrant

nation, many NRI live here. My choice left for me now, is, knowing dreaded and powerful SADE SATHI Second Advent is coming in 3 years, either to take genuine living Sadguru or resign with calm stoical determination that I am going down but never ignorantly but knowing when and how. I really wish to express, despite of my tremendous respect for Aryavarta, the charlatans from India swarms overseas, giving nonsense advices. I personally admire Ramakrsna Dev, Ammachi, Shiridi Baba, Sathya Sai Baba and Neem Karoli Baba, and all Sikh Gurus. In fact, daily pilglimade to Gurudawara is saving me from totally dementia and suicide. Done Sri Suktam, Lalita Sahasranama for 2 and half years, did Hanuman chalisa, Chandi Path parayana for 4 hours daily for 6 months, but my condition is getting worse. If I had to go down, my

only concern is that my parental properties should be given to Ramakrsna Mission Sevaashrama Varanasi, never to my buddhists relatives and the government of the Evil Empire headed by the son of War Criminal. I am totally done. I want to express thanks to real lovers of Jyotish, and also warns to those people who place self-praising articles or commercial notice in this forum that the millons of years of wrethed exitence is waiting for every one who screw sincere humanity. God bless Souravji, and never again will I born under such evil Empire and will fight every legal means to discredit, expose, and condemn the Evil Empire who never deserves SC seat in UN, nor any international seat. I sincerely pray that North Korea nuke the monarchy ( for intelligence agents survelling emails, I say PRAY, so this is prayer, not threat ), thereby ending

the evil empire perpetuating evil in the world. Avoid products made that in Evil Empire. I suffered a lot in that fascist nation. I am now also feeling my mind is really getting deraanged. I prayed so sincerely to Durga Ma, but the promise She makes in 11th Chapter never come to realise....I suspect it could be an interpolation usually found in Puranic literatures. As it apporaches the Birthday of Guru Nanakji, I thank the Sikh communities all over the world for being kind to me and feeding me. Sourav <souravc108 wrote: || Hare Raama Krsna || || Durgaa Saranam || Dear Silva-ji, namaskar. 1. When Lord (avataara) taken birth amongst us, it is not that they have done a bad karma out of ignorance. It is His sporting nature (lilaa) that he comes to us to keep us on the path of dharma (as stated by Sri Krsna in The Gita). You can say that birth/rebirth must be due to discharging some karma, then we can say that it is to discharge a heavy debt of the dharma of the Universe that

Vishwapati incarnates Himself. Grahas are all within and we are not under 'control' of grahas; in true essence, we are under the control of our own ignorance. Grahas only bear the signatures of our evolutionary development i.e coming out and going back into ignorance of our True Nature. Lord is Sarvagna, Omniscient and hence cannot be under control of grahas. However, when Lord takes birth, the signatures in the sky corroborate that. That is why there are certain indications/yogas when Mahaapurushas come. Lord Visnu protected his devotee Naarada from marrying a beautiful girl and getting trapped in the mires of samsaara. Naarada didn't understand this true intent and cursed Lord Vishnu to suffer from a similar situation. That is why Lord Visnu took birth in form of Sri Raama (avataara) and sufferred the consequences and to keep the spoken word of this great devotee. 2. Upaayas are measures to rectify what is already wrong. If you

have a slow car and take the main road, then you will reach destination after a long time. But if you look into the map (bhavishyat) and try to chart a new route and turn the steering appropriately, you will perhaps take a different route than what you were about to and reach the destination with a little less trouble. A huge natural force and long period of time is needed to build a mountain of rocks. But with a few sticks of dynamite and controlled explosions, that mountain (of karma ) can be brought down. Only a true Daivagna or jyotishi is an expert as to tell you where in the cracks and crevices of the mountain you should plant the few dynamite sticks. Otherwise, explosions will be futile or will not provide satisfactory result. The strength of explosion is the strength of your faith. So if you don't have faith then inspite of strategically locating those sticks of dynamite, the mountain of karma cannot be crumbled. So have faith in remedial measures.

Above all, have faith in God as He will take you in the right path. As Thakur used to say, the wind (of grace of God) is always blowing, we have to unfurl our sails (faith) and take advantage of it. Thakur also taught to test a Guru and only take refuge in him after verifying that he is a guru of high caliber. Best wishes, Sourav =============================================================================================================== sohamsa , silva graduate <silvagraduate wrote:>> If the Lord Rama also were under Navagraha control, I really wonder what is the effective ness of the remedies propagated here. It seems most of Upayas are not really tested by the people who is giving advices.> > for example. if Sade Sathi is lessened by going to some mountain and going upon the hill on feet, what

that recompense the sins committed by the one suffereing?> > In other words, if the past evil karma is nullified by going mountain, feeding crows, it fundamentally violates the law of justice. What one does, one receives. To advice without due consideration many remedies seems teh Buddhistic trap, I mean charging money to propitiate ancenstors, etc., these unVedic practices that killed vedic civilisation and corrputed all buddhists nations.> > Sincere remedies are to do seva at hostpitals, nursing homes, orphanages,,,instead of doing active good, what good does it do if one prays this god and that goddess, go on mountain on feet or not.> > > > Sanjay Rath sanjayrath wrote:>  > > | om gurave namah |> Dear Venkatesh> Mula dasa shows the aperational period of the curse and that does not mean that it ends when the operation is over. For example when Sri Rama lost Sita

during the operation of the curse during Saturn mula dasa, He got Her back but then even after that Saturn came in the form of a washerman and He again lost Sita. So the curse continued to operate. A lot depends on the nature of the curse and how it shall function. Continued remedy is the only panacea against strong curses.> Best wishes and warm regards,> Sanjay Rath> > Personal: WebPages ◠Rath’s Rhapsody > SJC WebPages: Sri Jagannath Center ◠SJCERC ◠JIVA> Publications: The Jyotish Digest ◠Sagittarius Publications> ----> > > > > > sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of Venkatesh

S> Tuesday, October 24, 2006 5:06 PM> sohamsa > Cc: guruji Re: Fwd: RE: Trouble from Sons - Curse Sanjay Rath> > > > |JAI SRIRAM|> > Dear Guruji,> > From the Moola dasa of Saturn the operative period of the curse ended on 23-sep-2000.Still the curse is there and the remedy is required.> > Regards,> S.Venkatesh> > Sanjay Rathguruji wrote: sohamsa , "Sanjay Rath" wrote:> > > > > om gurave namah> Dear Srinivasa> Curse of Guru is responsible for this as children and welath and> happiness> is lost. Propitiation of Lord Shiva with the Shiva Sahasranama is> one of the> solutions. Alternatively the native should regularly recite mantras> to> propitiate Dakshinamurty.> With

Best Wishes & Warm Regards,> Sanjay Rath> WebPages:> SJC: http://.org> Personal: http://srath.com> Long Distance Lessons: http://jiva.us> Publications & Books: http://sagittariuspublications.com> > > sohamsa [sohamsa ] On> Behalf Of> padmanu> Monday, September 11, 2006 9:25 PM> sohamsa > Trouble from Sons - Curse> > Om Gurave Namah> > Dear Guruvarya,> > Namasthe. Please look at the following chart of gentleman who is> suffering> on account of both his sons. He retired from a well respected> government> job. Though he did not have good education himself rose to a good> position> before his retirement(Moon in the 10th

Meena).> Both his sons are not very well educated. First is a govt school> teacher,> and has changed after marriage. Does not heed to father and is> trying take> his father's wealth( this is after marriage).> Second son has become wayward right from when he was around 14. He> left> education and became a police home guard, but it is temporary.> He> has married a muslim girl and recently became a drunkard. Indebted> to others> etc.> I see a curse involved in 4th house on Guru and Ravi(??) from graha> dristi> from Kuja in first and Sani in 2nd. Also is there a 4th house dristi> from> Rahu?> > Is Surya the Putrakaraka giving curse or/and Guru the Pitrukaraka> giving> curse. This person also had trouble from his father, who was opposed> to him> when he married a women from another caste.> Trouble from his second

started when the Moola dasa of his> Atmakaraka Budha> had started.> > I am assuming since the curse is in the 4th house a kendra it may be> reduced> by propitiation.> > I request the Gurujan on this board to please guide me in> understanding the> chart and also any remedies that I can convey to the native.> > This is my humble request with folded hands to one and all.> > Pranam> > Om Sree Lakshmi Narayanaya Namah> > Srinivasa> > Native - Varada Rajagopala Rao> > Natal Chart> > September 22, 1945> Time: 23:24:00> Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)> Place: 80 E 05' 00", 15 N 09' 00"> Altitude: 0.00 meters> > Lunar Yr-Mo: Parthiva - Bhadrapada> Tithi: Krishna Dwitiya (Mo) (96.60% left)> Vedic Weekday: Saturday (Sa)> Nakshatra: Revati (Me)

(84.98% left)> Yoga: Vriddhi (Me) (13.02% left)> Karana: Taitula (Me) (93.21% left)> Hora Lord: Sun (5 min sign: Sc)> Mahakala Hora: Sun (5 min sign: Vi)> Kaala Lord: Venus (Mahakala: Venus)> > Sunrise: 6:02:05> Sunset: 18:02:51> Janma Ghatis: 43.4135> > Ayanamsa: 23-05-39.43> Sidereal Time: 23:19:14> > > > > > > > ! om tat sat !> Footnotes:> 1. Let us share our thoughts and knowledge like the Sun God Surya> shares his> light with the entire planet, without bias and without emotions. Let> us rise> in praise to that supreme significator of the soul of all creatures.> 2. You don't have to reply if you feel that there is a waste of> energy. Use> the energy given by Surya well.> 3. This mail is just another view, and who else other than Surya> Himself>

knows the perfect truth. So say - om tat sat.> 4. The contents above are the views of one individual and do not> represent> the groups views nor that of the group owner.>

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|| Hare Raama Krsna ||

|| Durgaa Saranam ||

Dear Silva-ji,

namaskar. If you are facing severe doubts, worship Guru and Ishtadevata carefully and with sincerity. I understand your frustration, but please stop your attitude of complaining and criticism of cultures and people. It is the samsaara of Mahaamaaya, She has decided to keep it this way. Do not for a moment think that people are independantly making decisions of good or bad things. It is ultimately She. Keep your focus on the highest Source only. What you see in Kali Yuga had its seed in the Satya yuga and viceversa. If cycle of yuga's are planned this way, what is the point of complaining. The only good thing is to understand your own strengths and weaknesses and try to exert in the positive direction as much as possible under given circumstances. When time is ripe, Guru comes in physical form. Else, Guru is always there within you, if you so choose to worship.

Sarvam Durgaarpanamastu.

Best wishes,

Sourav

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sohamsa , silva graduate <silvagraduate wrote:>> Dear Souravji,> > What a wonderful insight you brings. I sense you must be Bhagavan Sri Ramkrsna's devotee, Thakur is used for Him.> > Actually, I am tormented of the very fact that unless Divine Grace decend upon me, death in ignorable, poverty and mental debilitation is indicated.> > Visited Aryavarta 3 times in all humility, searched Neem Karolo Baba or Bbhagaban Shiridi Sai Baba like Avatar, not able to find.> > I have met many Hindus and Hindu gurus from India...Nevertheless, none of them have a remedy.> > My only consolation is that I am suffering my own karma, cleary indicated by my chart. Otherwise, I would have murdered my parents and relatives.> > I am freezing to death in very god-less nation ( name withheld ) where racial prejudice is so pervasive, despite this is considered as immigrant nation, many NRI live here.> > My choice left for me now, is, knowing dreaded and powerful SADE SATHI Second Advent is coming in 3 years, either to take genuine living Sadguru or resign with calm stoical determination that I am going down but never ignorantly but knowing when and how.> > I really wish to express, despite of my tremendous respect for Aryavarta, the charlatans from India swarms overseas, giving nonsense advices.> > I personally admire Ramakrsna Dev, Ammachi, Shiridi Baba, Sathya Sai Baba and Neem Karoli Baba, and all Sikh Gurus. In fact, daily pilglimade to Gurudawara is saving me from totally dementia and suicide.> > Done Sri Suktam, Lalita Sahasranama for 2 and half years, did Hanuman chalisa, Chandi Path parayana for 4 hours daily for 6 months, but my condition is getting worse.> > If I had to go down, my only concern is that my parental properties should be given to Ramakrsna Mission Sevaashrama Varanasi, never to my buddhists relatives and the government of the Evil Empire headed by the son of War Criminal.> > I am totally done.> > I want to express thanks to real lovers of Jyotish, and also warns to those people who place self-praising articles or commercial notice in this forum that the millons of years of wrethed exitence is waiting for every one who screw sincere humanity.> > God bless Souravji, and never again will I born under such evil Empire and will fight every legal means to discredit, expose, and condemn the Evil Empire who never deserves SC seat in UN, nor any international seat.> > I sincerely pray that North Korea nuke the monarchy ( for intelligence agents survelling emails, I say PRAY, so this is prayer, not threat ), thereby ending the evil empire perpetuating evil in the world.> > Avoid products made that in Evil Empire. I suffered a lot in that fascist nation.> > I am now also feeling my mind is really getting deraanged.> > I prayed so sincerely to Durga Ma, but the promise She makes in 11th Chapter never come to realise....I suspect it could be an interpolation usually found in Puranic literatures.> > As it apporaches the Birthday of Guru Nanakji, I thank the Sikh communities all over the world for being kind to me and feeding me.> > > > Sourav souravc108 wrote:> || Hare Raama Krsna ||> || Durgaa Saranam ||> Dear Silva-ji, > namaskar. > 1. When Lord (avataara) taken birth amongst us, it is not that they have done a bad karma out of ignorance. It is His sporting nature (lilaa) that he comes to us to keep us on the path of dharma (as stated by Sri Krsna in The Gita). You can say that birth/rebirth must be due to discharging some karma, then we can say that it is to discharge a heavy debt of the dharma of the Universe that Vishwapati incarnates Himself. > Grahas are all within and we are not under 'control' of grahas; in true essence, we are under the control of our own ignorance. Grahas only bear the signatures of our evolutionary development i.e coming out and going back into ignorance of our True Nature. Lord is Sarvagna, Omniscient and hence cannot be under control of grahas. However, when Lord takes birth, the signatures in the sky corroborate that. That is why there are certain indications/yogas when Mahaapurushas come.> Lord Visnu protected his devotee Naarada from marrying a beautiful girl and getting trapped in the mires of samsaara. Naarada didn't understand this true intent and cursed Lord Vishnu to suffer from a similar situation. That is why Lord Visnu took birth in form of Sri Raama (avataara) and sufferred the consequences and to keep the spoken word of this great devotee.> 2. Upaayas are measures to rectify what is already wrong. If you have a slow car and take the main road, then you will reach destination after a long time. But if you look into the map (bhavishyat) and try to chart a new route and turn the steering appropriately, you will perhaps take a different route than what you were about to and reach the destination with a little less trouble. > A huge natural force and long period of time is needed to build a mountain of rocks. But with a few sticks of dynamite and controlled explosions, that mountain (of karma ) can be brought down. Only a true Daivagna or jyotishi is an expert as to tell you where in the cracks and crevices of the mountain you should plant the few dynamite sticks. Otherwise, explosions will be futile or will not provide satisfactory result. The strength of explosion is the strength of your faith. So if you don't have faith then inspite of strategically locating those sticks of dynamite, the mountain of karma cannot be crumbled. So have faith in remedial measures. Above all, have faith in God as He will take you in the right path. As Thakur used to say, the wind (of grace of God) is always blowing, we have to unfurl our sails (faith) and take advantage of it. Thakur also taught to test a Guru and only take refuge in him after verifying that he is a guru of high caliber.> Best wishes,> Sourav> ===============================================================================================================> > sohamsa , silva graduate silvagraduate@ wrote:> >> > If the Lord Rama also were under Navagraha control, I really wonder what is the effective ness of the remedies propagated here. It seems most of Upayas are not really tested by the people who is giving advices.> > > > for example. if Sade Sathi is lessened by going to some mountain and going upon the hill on feet, what that recompense the sins committed by the one suffereing?> > > > In other words, if the past evil karma is nullified by going mountain, feeding crows, it fundamentally violates the law of justice. What one does, one receives. To advice without due consideration many remedies seems teh Buddhistic trap, I mean charging money to propitiate ancenstors, etc., these unVedic practices that killed vedic civilisation and corrputed all buddhists nations.> > > > Sincere remedies are to do seva at hostpitals, nursing homes, orphanages,,,instead of doing active good, what good does it do if one prays this god and that goddess, go on mountain on feet or not.> > > > > > > > Sanjay Rath sanjayrath@ wrote:> >  > > > > | om gurave namah |> > Dear Venkatesh> > Mula dasa shows the aperational period of the curse and that does not mean that it ends when the operation is over. For example when Sri Rama lost Sita during the operation of the curse during Saturn mula dasa, He got Her back but then even after that Saturn came in the form of a washerman and He again lost Sita. So the curse continued to operate. A lot depends on the nature of the curse and how it shall function. Continued remedy is the only panacea against strong curses.> > Best wishes and warm regards,> > Sanjay Rath> > > > Personal: WebPages ◠Rath’s Rhapsody > > SJC WebPages: Sri Jagannath Center ◠SJCERC ◠JIVA> > Publications: The Jyotish Digest ◠Sagittarius Publications> > ----> > > > > > > > > > > > sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of Venkatesh S> > Tuesday, October 24, 2006 5:06 PM> > sohamsa > > Cc: guruji@> > Re: Fwd: RE: Trouble from Sons - Curse Sanjay Rath> > > > > > > > |JAI SRIRAM|> > > > Dear Guruji,> > > > From the Moola dasa of Saturn the operative period of the curse ended on 23-sep-2000.Still the curse is there and the remedy is required.> > > > Regards,> > S.Venkatesh> > > > Sanjay Rathguruji@ wrote: sohamsa , "Sanjay Rath" wrote:> > > > > > > > > > om gurave namah> > Dear Srinivasa> > Curse of Guru is responsible for this as children and welath and> > happiness> > is lost. Propitiation of Lord Shiva with the Shiva Sahasranama is> > one of the> > solutions. Alternatively the native should regularly recite mantras> > to> > propitiate Dakshinamurty.> > With Best Wishes & Warm Regards,> > Sanjay Rath> > WebPages:> > SJC: http://.org> > Personal: http://srath.com> > Long Distance Lessons: http://jiva.us> > Publications & Books: http://sagittariuspublications.com> > > > > > sohamsa [sohamsa ] On> > Behalf Of> > padmanu> > Monday, September 11, 2006 9:25 PM> > sohamsa > > Trouble from Sons - Curse> > > > Om Gurave Namah> > > > Dear Guruvarya,> > > > Namasthe. Please look at the following chart of gentleman who is> > suffering> > on account of both his sons. He retired from a well respected> > government> > job. Though he did not have good education himself rose to a good> > position> > before his retirement(Moon in the 10th Meena).> > Both his sons are not very well educated. First is a govt school> > teacher,> > and has changed after marriage. Does not heed to father and is> > trying take> > his father's wealth( this is after marriage).> > Second son has become wayward right from when he was around 14. He> > left> > education and became a police home guard, but it is temporary.> > He> > has married a muslim girl and recently became a drunkard. Indebted> > to others> > etc.> > I see a curse involved in 4th house on Guru and Ravi(??) from graha> > dristi> > from Kuja in first and Sani in 2nd. Also is there a 4th house dristi> > from> > Rahu?> > > > Is Surya the Putrakaraka giving curse or/and Guru the Pitrukaraka> > giving> > curse. This person also had trouble from his father, who was opposed> > to him> > when he married a women from another caste.> > Trouble from his second started when the Moola dasa of his> > Atmakaraka Budha> > had started.> > > > I am assuming since the curse is in the 4th house a kendra it may be> > reduced> > by propitiation.> > > > I request the Gurujan on this board to please guide me in> > understanding the> > chart and also any remedies that I can convey to the native.> > > > This is my humble request with folded hands to one and all.> > > > Pranam> > > > Om Sree Lakshmi Narayanaya Namah> > > > Srinivasa> > > > Native - Varada Rajagopala Rao> > > > Natal Chart> > > > September 22, 1945> > Time: 23:24:00> > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)> > Place: 80 E 05' 00", 15 N 09' 00"> > Altitude: 0.00 meters> > > > Lunar Yr-Mo: Parthiva - Bhadrapada> > Tithi: Krishna Dwitiya (Mo) (96.60% left)> > Vedic Weekday: Saturday (Sa)> > Nakshatra: Revati (Me) (84.98% left)> > Yoga: Vriddhi (Me) (13.02% left)> > Karana: Taitula (Me) (93.21% left)> > Hora Lord: Sun (5 min sign: Sc)> > Mahakala Hora: Sun (5 min sign: Vi)> > Kaala Lord: Venus (Mahakala: Venus)> > > > Sunrise: 6:02:05> > Sunset: 18:02:51> > Janma Ghatis: 43.4135> > > > Ayanamsa: 23-05-39.43> > Sidereal Time: 23:19:14> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ! om tat sat !> > Footnotes:> > 1. Let us share our thoughts and knowledge like the Sun God Surya> > shares his> > light with the entire planet, without bias and without emotions. Let> > us rise> > in praise to that supreme significator of the soul of all creatures.> > 2. You don't have to reply if you feel that there is a waste of> > energy. Use> > the energy given by Surya well.> > 3. This mail is just another view, and who else other than Surya> > Himself> > knows the perfect truth. So say - om tat sat.> > 4. The contents above are the views of one individual and do not> > represent> > the groups views nor that of the group owner.> >