Litmus Test of Ayanamsha with a case study

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|| Jay Gurudev ||

 

Namaste Friends,

 

This message may get little lengthy but i request you all to go

thro' patiently as this provides a good Case study to test the Never

Dying controversy of Ayanamsha and which is why The Ayanamsha vaue

it self takes multiple Incarnations with the names like Lahiri,

Raman, KP, Chadrahari, Fagan, pathak:> etc...)

 

(NO DESRESPECT Meant to any of the Scholars who advocated those

Ayanamsha...Infact Dr Raman is my most favourite)

 

To test the nearest value of Ayanamsha, Practical chart(s) could

provide us with the best tool and in that " AK " is the most

appropriate phenomenon to look at. The charts with AK absolutely at

the Boarder can provide an almost decisive clue to choose the most

correct one amongst all the Ayanamsha.

 

I am taking up my own chart for the same - 14.5.1972, 8.15.27 (am),

73e00,23n48, (Idar, Gujarat) 5.30 east of GMT.

 

To give little background- I was always sure in past (since

childhood) that my Sun is in 11th (Mesha) at 29+ degrees. that was

because my traditional Chart was indicating that. I was naturally

drawn to Vedic Jyotish in the year 90 or 91. Now confusion started

when i understood that Su goes to 12th (Vrishbha) if i use Raman or

KP Ayanamsha. till that time, i actually didn't bother to know the

meaning of Ayanamsha (I am a reverse case who studied lot of books,

artivles and started applying to charts whatever i read and even

dared to predict which was coming true most of the times and then

started learning basics :)typical case of Rahu astrology-reverse

way).

 

coming back to topic, the confusion started for me. Sun is in Mesha

or in Vrishbha? My Intuition was steadfastly sticking to Mesha but

Inquiring Mind wanted some solid proof. so the question hovered on

my mind as to which Ayanamsha is the correct one. how to get the

answer which can satisfy my intelligence (if at all it's there on

the top floor;).

 

Come the Knowledge of " Char-karka " (with advent of Guru MD) and the

concrete logic was found.

SUN is AK as per Lahiri & Rahu is AK as per all the others such as

Raman, KP, C.Hari etc.. I checked the traits indicated by Maharshi

Jaimini for different planets as AK.

 

Sun- Inherent Ahamkar, Person should learn to be humble, faces

humbling situation etc..

 

Rahu- Rogue or Saint, gets cheated often or cheats others.

 

Now it was easy to confirm from the above that who my AK. I have

solid case of Rahu as AK and the above said rule perfectly suits him

hence it is obvious to me that it is Sun & only Sun. My intuition

proved right with the above theory of classic and Inquiring mind

also got satisfied with that. I am happy now that i always

used " Chitra Paksha " Ayanamsha and since then the chaper is closed

for me.

 

Spirituality is very much there but that is due to some combinations

present in Rashi, D9 & D20 but there is nothing sort of Cheating &

getting cheated to confirm Rahu's position as AK in my chart.

 

Finally Sun in my chart, though unfortunately bestows " Sankranti

Dosha " on me, fortunately proved of a great help, nay.. decisive

factor to finalize " Ayanamsha " issue for me at least for the time

being. I mean till a new Incarnation of Ayanamsha comes which should

not be less then 3 Minutes 43 seconds compared to Lahiri to again

bother me.

 

Jay Gurudev

 

yours,

 

Utpal Pathak

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|| Hare Raama Krsna ||

|| Durgaa Smaranam ||

Dear Utpal,

namaskar. Lahiri ayanaamsa is correct. If you take Raman Ayanaamsa then Surya is in 12-th house under affliction from Sani and aspect from Rahu-AK in the 10th. This would have been very bad in the Rahu Moola Dasa (1995 onwards) and health of father would have been bad (A9/Surya under affliction). But that is not the case I suppose. Surya in the 2nd house in Navaamsa is very good for spirituality especially with Ishtakaaraka Mangal joining AK (Nrisimha Avataara and Mother Lakshmi).

Even with Lahiri Ayanaamsa, Rahu Moola Dasa portends bad as exalted Chandra is under affliction from Sani and Rahu. This is a strong curse because of conjunction and rasi aspect and because Sani and Chandra are in Vargottama amsa. Notice that Sani-Chandra is in the 7th from Navaamsa Lagna and shows the primary reason for this birth. Hence you should be taking strong steps in remedying this curse. Bathing in Raameshwaram and Gaayatri Mantra are included as remedies to Matri shaapa. Notice that Rahu-Sani owns the 8th, 9th and 12-th houses all critical for dharma, saadhana and meditiona/spirituality. Please see VRA for details.

Best wishes,

Sourav

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sohamsa , "utpal pathak" <vedic_pathak wrote:>> || Jay Gurudev ||> > Namaste Friends,> > This message may get little lengthy but i request you all to go > thro' patiently as this provides a good Case study to test the Never > Dying controversy of Ayanamsha and which is why The Ayanamsha vaue > it self takes multiple Incarnations with the names like Lahiri, > Raman, KP, Chadrahari, Fagan, pathak:> etc...)> > (NO DESRESPECT Meant to any of the Scholars who advocated those > Ayanamsha...Infact Dr Raman is my most favourite)> > To test the nearest value of Ayanamsha, Practical chart(s) could > provide us with the best tool and in that "AK" is the most > appropriate phenomenon to look at. The charts with AK absolutely at > the Boarder can provide an almost decisive clue to choose the most > correct one amongst all the Ayanamsha.> > I am taking up my own chart for the same - 14.5.1972, 8.15.27 (am), > 73e00,23n48, (Idar, Gujarat) 5.30 east of GMT.> > To give little background- I was always sure in past (since > childhood) that my Sun is in 11th (Mesha) at 29+ degrees. that was > because my traditional Chart was indicating that. I was naturally > drawn to Vedic Jyotish in the year 90 or 91. Now confusion started > when i understood that Su goes to 12th (Vrishbha) if i use Raman or > KP Ayanamsha. till that time, i actually didn't bother to know the > meaning of Ayanamsha (I am a reverse case who studied lot of books, > artivles and started applying to charts whatever i read and even > dared to predict which was coming true most of the times and then > started learning basics :)typical case of Rahu astrology-reverse > way).> > coming back to topic, the confusion started for me. Sun is in Mesha > or in Vrishbha? My Intuition was steadfastly sticking to Mesha but > Inquiring Mind wanted some solid proof. so the question hovered on > my mind as to which Ayanamsha is the correct one. how to get the > answer which can satisfy my intelligence (if at all it's there on > the top floor;).> > Come the Knowledge of "Char-karka" (with advent of Guru MD) and the > concrete logic was found.> SUN is AK as per Lahiri & Rahu is AK as per all the others such as > Raman, KP, C.Hari etc.. I checked the traits indicated by Maharshi > Jaimini for different planets as AK.> > Sun- Inherent Ahamkar, Person should learn to be humble, faces > humbling situation etc..> > Rahu- Rogue or Saint, gets cheated often or cheats others.> > Now it was easy to confirm from the above that who my AK. I have > solid case of Rahu as AK and the above said rule perfectly suits him > hence it is obvious to me that it is Sun & only Sun. My intuition > proved right with the above theory of classic and Inquiring mind > also got satisfied with that. I am happy now that i always > used "Chitra Paksha" Ayanamsha and since then the chaper is closed > for me.> > Spirituality is very much there but that is due to some combinations > present in Rashi, D9 & D20 but there is nothing sort of Cheating & > getting cheated to confirm Rahu's position as AK in my chart.> > Finally Sun in my chart, though unfortunately bestows "Sankranti > Dosha" on me, fortunately proved of a great help, nay.. decisive > factor to finalize "Ayanamsha" issue for me at least for the time > being. I mean till a new Incarnation of Ayanamsha comes which should > not be less then 3 Minutes 43 seconds compared to Lahiri to again > bother me.> > Jay Gurudev> > yours,> > Utpal Pathak>

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Dear Saurav ji / Utpal ji

 

Namaskar

 

I use Lahiri less 54 seconds (with topocentric and true positions) - reasonably close to local panchang. Not only ayanamsa - but few parameter can make the difference - e.g. geocentric / topocentric; apparent or true positions.

 

With lahiri - my moon is 24+' in dhanistha (makar rashi) and in D9 - it goes to 2nd house -in leo (with rahu) and also becomes AK; where as with modified parameters - moon in 23+' in shravana (in makar rashi)) and in D9 - it comes in lagna in its own sign with exalted guru and now sun becomes AK. So begining dasha also changes, and the immediately upon my birth - I was very seriously ill for few days until moon dasha; and perhaps, could survive for better D9 position of moon in modified values.

 

With the above few paramenters - AK, Moon in D9 and begining dasha varies completely.

 

regards / Prafulla GangLack of will power has caused more failure than lack of intelligence or ability.************************************************

 

souravc108Sent: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 16:31:46 -0000sohamsa Subject: Re: Litmus Test of "Ayanamsha" with a "case study "

 

 

 

 

|| Hare Raama Krsna ||

|| Durgaa Smaranam ||

Dear Utpal,

namaskar. Lahiri ayanaamsa is correct. If you take Raman Ayanaamsa then Surya is in 12-th house under affliction from Sani and aspect from Rahu-AK in the 10th. This would have been very bad in the Rahu Moola Dasa (1995 onwards) and health of father would have been bad (A9/Surya under affliction). But that is not the case I suppose. Surya in the 2nd house in Navaamsa is very good for spirituality especially with Ishtakaaraka Mangal joining AK (Nrisimha Avataara and Mother Lakshmi).

Even with Lahiri Ayanaamsa, Rahu Moola Dasa portends bad as exalted Chandra is under affliction from Sani and Rahu. This is a strong curse because of conjunction and rasi aspect and because Sani and Chandra are in Vargottama amsa. Notice that Sani-Chandra is in the 7th from Navaamsa Lagna and shows the primary reason for this birth. Hence you should be taking strong steps in remedying this curse. Bathing in Raameshwaram and Gaayatri Mantra are included as remedies to Matri shaapa. Notice that Rahu-Sani owns the 8th, 9th and 12-th houses all critical for dharma, saadhana and meditiona/spirituality. Please see VRA for details.

Best wishes,

Sourav

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sohamsa , "utpal pathak" <vedic_pathak wrote:>> || Jay Gurudev ||> > Namaste Friends,> > This message may get little lengthy but i request you all to go > thro' patiently as this provides a good Case study to test the Never > Dying controversy of Ayanamsha and which is why The Ayanamsha vaue > it self takes multiple Incarnations with the names like Lahiri, > Raman, KP, Chadrahari, Fagan, pathak:> etc...)> > (NO DESRESPECT Meant to any of the Scholars who advocated those > Ayanamsha...Infact Dr Raman is my most favourite)> > To test the nearest value of Ayanamsha, Practical chart(s) could > provide us with the best tool and in that "AK" is the most > appropriate phenomenon to look at. The charts with AK absolutely at > the Boarder can provide an almost decisive clue to choose the most > correct one amongst all the Ayanamsha.> > I am taking up my own chart for the same - 14.5.1972, 8.15.27 (am), > 73e00,23n48, (Idar, Gujarat) 5.30 east of GMT.> > To give little background- I was always sure in past (since > childhood) that my Sun is in 11th (Mesha) at 29+ degrees. that was > because my traditional Chart was indicating that. I was naturally > drawn to Vedic Jyotish in the year 90 or 91. Now confusion started > when i understood that Su goes to 12th (Vrishbha) if i use Raman or > KP Ayanamsha. till that time, i actually didn't bother to know the > meaning of Ayanamsha (I am a reverse case who studied lot of books, > artivles and started applying to charts whatever i read and even > dared to predict which was coming true most of the times and then > started learning basics :)typical case of Rahu astrology-reverse > way).> > coming back to topic, the confusion started for me. Sun is in Mesha > or in Vrishbha? My Intuition was steadfastly sticking to Mesha but > Inquiring Mind wanted some solid proof. so the question hovered on > my mind as to which Ayanamsha is the correct one. how to get the > answer which can satisfy my intelligence (if at all it's there on > the top floor;).> > Come the Knowledge of "Char-karka" (with advent of Guru MD) and the > concrete logic was found.> SUN is AK as per Lahiri & Rahu is AK as per all the others such as > Raman, KP, C.Hari etc.. I checked the traits indicated by Maharshi > Jaimini for different planets as AK.> > Sun- Inherent Ahamkar, Person should learn to be humble, faces > humbling situation etc..> > Rahu- Rogue or Saint, gets cheated often or cheats others.> > Now it was easy to confirm from the above that who my AK. I have > solid case of Rahu as AK and the above said rule perfectly suits him > hence it is obvious to me that it is Sun & only Sun. My intuition > proved right with the above theory of classic and Inquiring mind > also got satisfied with that. I am happy now that i always > used "Chitra Paksha" Ayanamsha and since then the chaper is closed > for me.> > Spirituality is very much there but that is due to some combinations > present in Rashi, D9 & D20 but there is nothing sort of Cheating & > getting cheated to confirm Rahu's position as AK in my chart.> > Finally Sun in my chart, though unfortunately bestows "Sankranti > Dosha" on me, fortunately proved of a great help, nay.. decisive > factor to finalize "Ayanamsha" issue for me at least for the time > being. I mean till a new Incarnation of Ayanamsha comes which should > not be less then 3 Minutes 43 seconds compared to Lahiri to again > bother me.> > Jay Gurudev> > yours,> > Utpal Pathak>

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Om Gurave Namah

 

Dear Utpal Bhai,

Namaste

 

It’s all about the Moon. Those with nakshatras in the 4th pada will be affected. So do try the tests based on this.

 

love,

 

Swee

 

sohamsa , " utpal pathak " <vedic_pathak wrote:

>

> || Jay Gurudev ||

>

> Namaste Friends,

>

> This message may get little lengthy but i request you all to go

> thro' patiently as this provides a good Case study to test the Never

> Dying controversy of Ayanamsha and which is why The Ayanamsha vaue

> it self takes multiple Incarnations with the names like Lahiri,

> Raman, KP, Chadrahari, Fagan, pathak:> etc...)

>

> (NO DESRESPECT Meant to any of the Scholars who advocated those

> Ayanamsha...Infact Dr Raman is my most favourite)

>

> To test the nearest value of Ayanamsha, Practical chart(s) could

> provide us with the best tool and in that " AK " is the most

> appropriate phenomenon to look at. The charts with AK absolutely at

> the Boarder can provide an almost decisive clue to choose the most

> correct! one amongst all the Ayanamsha.

>

> I am taking up my own chart for the same - 14.5.1972, 8.15.27 (am),

> 73e00,23n48, (Idar, Gujarat) 5.30 east of GMT.

>

> To give little background- I was always sure in past (since

> childhood) that my Sun is in 11th (Mesha) at 29+ degrees. that was

> because my traditional Chart was indicating that. I was naturally

> drawn to Vedic Jyotish in the year 90 or 91. Now confusion started

> when i understood that Su goes to 12th (Vrishbha) if i use Raman or

> KP Ayanamsha. till that time, i actually didn't bother to know the

> meaning of Ayanamsha (I am a reverse case who studied lot of books,

> artivles and started applying to charts whatever i read and even

> dared to predict which was coming true most of the times and then

> started learning basics :)typical case of Rahu astrology-reverse

> way).

>

> coming back to topic, the confus! ion started for me. Sun is in Mesha

> or in Vrishbh a? My Intuition was steadfastly sticking to Mesha but

> Inquiring Mind wanted some solid proof. so the question hovered on

> my mind as to which Ayanamsha is the correct one. how to get the

> answer which can satisfy my intelligence (if at all it's there on

> the top floor;).

>

> Come the Knowledge of " Char-karka " (with advent of Guru MD) and the

> concrete logic was found.

> SUN is AK as per Lahiri & Rahu is AK as per all the others such as

> Raman, KP, C.Hari etc.. I checked the traits indicated by Maharshi

> Jaimini for different planets as AK.

>

> Sun- Inherent Ahamkar, Person should learn to be humble, faces

> humbling situation etc..

>

> Rahu- Rogue or Saint, gets cheated often or cheats others.

>

> Now it was easy to confirm from the above that who my AK. I have

> solid case of Rahu as AK and the above said rule perfectly suits him

> hence it i! s obvious to me that it is Sun & only Sun. My intuition

> proved right with the above theory of classic and Inquiring mind

> also got satisfied with that. I am happy now that i always

> used " Chitra Paksha " Ayanamsha and since then the chaper is closed

> for me.

>

> Spirituality is very much there but that is due to some combinations

> present in Rashi, D9 & D20 but there is nothing sort of Cheating &

> getting cheated to confirm Rahu's position as AK in my chart.

>

> Finally Sun in my chart, though unfortunately bestows " Sankranti

> Dosha " on me, fortunately proved of a great help, nay.. decisive

> factor to finalize " Ayanamsha " issue for me at least for the time

> being. I mean till a new Incarnation of Ayanamsha comes which should

> not be less then 3 Minutes 43 seconds compared to Lahiri to again

> bother me.

>

> Jay Gurudev

>

> yours,>

> Utpal Pathak

>

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Jay Gurudev ! Dear Sourav, Namaste, Yes I always knew that Lahiri (Chitra Paksha) Ayanamsha is the most correct one but that was only a strong belief or firm conviction which was probably born out of Intution but that is NOT ENOUGH TO REJECT the other Ayanamshas which was projected by great scholars after lot of pondering and efforts. If I do that (accept Lahiri blindly & reject others outrightly) then my conscious will always remain restless. there will always be a guilt feeling within. Sun is My AK in many ways. one great Soul has emphatically said that if AK in 11th house the person can achieve excellence in Jyotish vidya or other such hidden knowledge. Now as you all know that I am on the "excellent Jyotisha" or atleast on the path of it (Sanjayji ! are you listening?). I have great intrest

in studing Upnishats. I am reading "Yog Vasishth" presently summing up Spirituality is the phenominon which generates lot of intrest within me. Sun is the prime reason along with Ketu (in D9) which has prevented "Bahu dara yoga" to function in my life till date. if i consider Sun in Vrishbha (if i use other than Lahiri), My father shouldn't have survived Rahu/Sun or Rahu/Mars Vimshottari. The above are the points besides the main traits of sun as AK gave me Solid proof to convincingly accept Lahiri & respectfully reject others. ----------- As you pointed out correctly, My moon, though extremly powerful, is in the curse due to Saturn & Rahu besides defeated by saturn. I have COMPLETED the remedy by finally taking holy

bath in Rameshwaram on 18th of August 2006. ----------- Finally, My purpose of the message was not to discuss my chart in the list, but to Share my own opinion about suitability of Ayanamsha which was finalised by experimenting my own chart. Regards, Utpal Pathak Sourav <souravc108 wrote: || Hare Raama Krsna || || Durgaa Smaranam || Dear Utpal, namaskar. Lahiri ayanaamsa is correct. If you take Raman Ayanaamsa then Surya is in 12-th house under affliction from Sani and aspect from Rahu-AK in the 10th. This would have been very bad in the Rahu Moola Dasa (1995 onwards) and health of father would have been bad (A9/Surya under affliction). But that is not the case I suppose. Surya in the 2nd house in Navaamsa is very good for spirituality especially with Ishtakaaraka Mangal joining AK (Nrisimha Avataara and Mother Lakshmi).

Even with Lahiri Ayanaamsa, Rahu Moola Dasa portends bad as exalted Chandra is under affliction from Sani and Rahu. This is a strong curse because of conjunction and rasi aspect and because Sani and Chandra are in Vargottama amsa. Notice that Sani-Chandra is in the 7th from Navaamsa Lagna and shows the primary reason for this birth. Hence you should be taking strong steps in remedying this curse. Bathing in Raameshwaram and Gaayatri Mantra are included as remedies to Matri shaapa. Notice that Rahu-Sani owns the 8th, 9th and 12-th houses all critical for dharma, saadhana and meditiona/spirituality. Please see VRA for details. Best wishes, Sourav ================================================================ sohamsa , "utpal pathak" <vedic_pathak wrote:>> || Jay Gurudev ||> > Namaste Friends,>

> This message may get little lengthy but i request you all to go > thro' patiently as this provides a good Case study to test the Never > Dying controversy of Ayanamsha and which is why The Ayanamsha vaue > it self takes multiple Incarnations with the names like Lahiri, > Raman, KP, Chadrahari, Fagan, pathak:> etc...)> > (NO DESRESPECT Meant to any of the Scholars who advocated those > Ayanamsha...Infact Dr Raman is my most favourite)> > To test the nearest value of Ayanamsha, Practical chart(s) could > provide us with the best tool and in that "AK" is the most > appropriate phenomenon to look at. The charts with AK absolutely at > the Boarder can provide an almost decisive clue to choose the most > correct one amongst all the Ayanamsha.> > I am taking up my own chart for the same - 14.5.1972, 8.15.27 (am), > 73e00,23n48, (Idar, Gujarat) 5.30 east

of GMT.> > To give little background- I was always sure in past (since > childhood) that my Sun is in 11th (Mesha) at 29+ degrees. that was > because my traditional Chart was indicating that. I was naturally > drawn to Vedic Jyotish in the year 90 or 91. Now confusion started > when i understood that Su goes to 12th (Vrishbha) if i use Raman or > KP Ayanamsha. till that time, i actually didn't bother to know the > meaning of Ayanamsha (I am a reverse case who studied lot of books, > artivles and started applying to charts whatever i read and even > dared to predict which was coming true most of the times and then > started learning basics :)typical case of Rahu astrology-reverse > way).> > coming back to topic, the confusion started for me. Sun is in Mesha > or in Vrishbha? My Intuition was steadfastly sticking to Mesha but > Inquiring Mind wanted some solid

proof. so the question hovered on > my mind as to which Ayanamsha is the correct one. how to get the > answer which can satisfy my intelligence (if at all it's there on > the top floor;).> > Come the Knowledge of "Char-karka" (with advent of Guru MD) and the > concrete logic was found.> SUN is AK as per Lahiri & Rahu is AK as per all the others such as > Raman, KP, C.Hari etc.. I checked the traits indicated by Maharshi > Jaimini for different planets as AK.> > Sun- Inherent Ahamkar, Person should learn to be humble, faces > humbling situation etc..> > Rahu- Rogue or Saint, gets cheated often or cheats others.> > Now it was easy to confirm from the above that who my AK. I have > solid case of Rahu as AK and the above said rule perfectly suits him > hence it is obvious to me that it is Sun & only Sun. My intuition > proved right with

the above theory of classic and Inquiring mind > also got satisfied with that. I am happy now that i always > used "Chitra Paksha" Ayanamsha and since then the chaper is closed > for me.> > Spirituality is very much there but that is due to some combinations > present in Rashi, D9 & D20 but there is nothing sort of Cheating & > getting cheated to confirm Rahu's position as AK in my chart.> > Finally Sun in my chart, though unfortunately bestows "Sankranti > Dosha" on me, fortunately proved of a great help, nay.. decisive > factor to finalize "Ayanamsha" issue for me at least for the time > being. I mean till a new Incarnation of Ayanamsha comes which should > not be less then 3 Minutes 43 seconds compared to Lahiri to again > bother me.> > Jay Gurudev> > yours,> > Utpal Pathak>

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|| Hare Raama Krsna ||

|| Durgaa Smaranam ||

Dear Utpal-bhai,

Namaskar. One must worship Lord Surya and devatas to study jyotish. A guru comes to teach jyotish and gives you sikshaa mantra to enhance your intuitive self. Trusting on that intuition is most important in this study. There is no reason to reject or accept principles (including ayanaamsas etc) propounded by others. Others have done so using their own intelligences and divine guidances. They are as much a part of Creation as we are.

Yes, your high degree of spirituality and sense of the same will prevent you from going into unnecessary relationships. If a graha is in 7th from AK then there will be one relationship. I noticed the same and didn't feel need to comment before. Guru-Ketu yoga in the trines to AK indicates Thakur as also in my case in this Guru is in 9th from AK with parivartana with Ketu. I noticed that the same Guru is dispositing AK. Sanjay-ji told me the same and asked me to worship Thakur in a yellow-stone Siva lingam. There is not much difference in Guru and Ishta Devata. Notice that Guru (Brihaspati) owns the natural 9th and 12-th houses. In Ishtam everything merges so Ishtam is all encompassing. Hence you should not carry the differentiation of the same in mind.

You will do very well in jyotish as your AK in exalted in 11th house (4th - vidya sthana from the 8th) and your 11th and 5th lords have conjoined and is in exchange with Lagnesha. Relationship of AK with 11th house/lord gives the divine knowledge of jyotish on a very high level and also involvement of lagna/lagnapati shows what you will be doing with it.

Although I am a novice in terms of spiritual understanding, I would advise to keep your spiritual readings (Yogavasistha Sara) etc. hidden from public knowledge and exposure and only known to Guru. Talking about the same increases rajas and disturbs contemplation which needs aloneness.

It is very nice to note that you have worshipped Raameshwaram and taken the holy bath. I am waiting for the same in due couse if Thakur permits.

I will reply to your other e-mail in my own limited capacity, later when I get a bit of time.

Best wishes,

Sourav

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sohamsa , Utpal Pathak <vedic_pathak wrote:>> Jay Gurudev !> > Dear Sourav,> > Namaste,> > Yes I always knew that Lahiri (Chitra Paksha) Ayanamsha is the most correct one but that was only a strong belief or firm conviction which was probably born out of Intution but that is NOT ENOUGH TO REJECT the other Ayanamshas which was projected by great scholars after lot of pondering and efforts. If I do that (accept Lahiri blindly & reject others outrightly) then my conscious will always remain restless. there will always be a guilt feeling within.> > Sun is My AK in many ways. one great Soul has emphatically said that if AK in 11th house the person can achieve excellence in Jyotish vidya or other such hidden knowledge. Now as you all know that I am on the "excellent Jyotisha" or atleast on the path of it (Sanjayji ! are you listening?). I have great intrest in studing Upnishats. I am reading "Yog Vasishth" presently summing up Spirituality is the phenominon which generates lot of intrest within me.> > Sun is the prime reason along with Ketu (in D9) which has prevented "Bahu dara yoga" to function in my life till date.> > if i consider Sun in Vrishbha (if i use other than Lahiri), My father shouldn't have survived Rahu/Sun or Rahu/Mars Vimshottari.> > The above are the points besides the main traits of sun as AK gave me Solid proof to convincingly accept Lahiri & respectfully reject others.> -----------> As you pointed out correctly, My moon, though extremly powerful, is in the curse due to Saturn & Rahu besides defeated by saturn. I have COMPLETED the remedy by finally taking holy bath in Rameshwaram on 18th of August 2006.> -----------> Finally, My purpose of the message was not to discuss my chart in the list, but to Share my own opinion about suitability of Ayanamsha which was finalised by experimenting my own chart.> > Regards,> > Utpal Pathak> > > > > > > > > > > Sourav souravc108 wrote:> || Hare Raama Krsna ||> || Durgaa Smaranam ||> Dear Utpal,> namaskar. Lahiri ayanaamsa is correct. If you take Raman Ayanaamsa then Surya is in 12-th house under affliction from Sani and aspect from Rahu-AK in the 10th. This would have been very bad in the Rahu Moola Dasa (1995 onwards) and health of father would have been bad (A9/Surya under affliction). But that is not the case I suppose. Surya in the 2nd house in Navaamsa is very good for spirituality especially with Ishtakaaraka Mangal joining AK (Nrisimha Avataara and Mother Lakshmi). > Even with Lahiri Ayanaamsa, Rahu Moola Dasa portends bad as exalted Chandra is under affliction from Sani and Rahu. This is a strong curse because of conjunction and rasi aspect and because Sani and Chandra are in Vargottama amsa. Notice that Sani-Chandra is in the 7th from Navaamsa Lagna and shows the primary reason for this birth. Hence you should be taking strong steps in remedying this curse. Bathing in Raameshwaram and Gaayatri Mantra are included as remedies to Matri shaapa. Notice that Rahu-Sani owns the 8th, 9th and 12-th houses all critical for dharma, saadhana and meditiona/spirituality. Please see VRA for details.> Best wishes,> Sourav> ================================================================> > sohamsa , "utpal pathak" vedic_pathak@ wrote:> >> > || Jay Gurudev ||> > > > Namaste Friends,> > > > This message may get little lengthy but i request you all to go > > thro' patiently as this provides a good Case study to test the Never > > Dying controversy of Ayanamsha and which is why The Ayanamsha vaue > > it self takes multiple Incarnations with the names like Lahiri, > > Raman, KP, Chadrahari, Fagan, pathak:> etc...)> > > > (NO DESRESPECT Meant to any of the Scholars who advocated those > > Ayanamsha...Infact Dr Raman is my most favourite)> > > > To test the nearest value of Ayanamsha, Practical chart(s) could > > provide us with the best tool and in that "AK" is the most > > appropriate phenomenon to look at. The charts with AK absolutely at > > the Boarder can provide an almost decisive clue to choose the most > > correct one amongst all the Ayanamsha.> > > > I am taking up my own chart for the same - 14.5.1972, 8.15.27 (am), > > 73e00,23n48, (Idar, Gujarat) 5.30 east of GMT.> > > > To give little background- I was always sure in past (since > > childhood) that my Sun is in 11th (Mesha) at 29+ degrees. that was > > because my traditional Chart was indicating that. I was naturally > > drawn to Vedic Jyotish in the year 90 or 91. Now confusion started > > when i understood that Su goes to 12th (Vrishbha) if i use Raman or > > KP Ayanamsha. till that time, i actually didn't bother to know the > > meaning of Ayanamsha (I am a reverse case who studied lot of books, > > artivles and started applying to charts whatever i read and even > > dared to predict which was coming true most of the times and then > > started learning basics :)typical case of Rahu astrology-reverse > > way).> > > > coming back to topic, the confusion started for me. Sun is in Mesha > > or in Vrishbha? My Intuition was steadfastly sticking to Mesha but > > Inquiring Mind wanted some solid proof. so the question hovered on > > my mind as to which Ayanamsha is the correct one. how to get the > > answer which can satisfy my intelligence (if at all it's there on > > the top floor;).> > > > Come the Knowledge of "Char-karka" (with advent of Guru MD) and the > > concrete logic was found.> > SUN is AK as per Lahiri & Rahu is AK as per all the others such as > > Raman, KP, C.Hari etc.. I checked the traits indicated by Maharshi > > Jaimini for different planets as AK.> > > > Sun- Inherent Ahamkar, Person should learn to be humble, faces > > humbling situation etc..> > > > Rahu- Rogue or Saint, gets cheated often or cheats others.> > > > Now it was easy to confirm from the above that who my AK. I have > > solid case of Rahu as AK and the above said rule perfectly suits him > > hence it is obvious to me that it is Sun & only Sun. My intuition > > proved right with the above theory of classic and Inquiring mind > > also got satisfied with that. I am happy now that i always > > used "Chitra Paksha" Ayanamsha and since then the chaper is closed > > for me.> > > > Spirituality is very much there but that is due to some combinations > > present in Rashi, D9 & D20 but there is nothing sort of Cheating & > > getting cheated to confirm Rahu's position as AK in my chart.> > > > Finally Sun in my chart, though unfortunately bestows "Sankranti > > Dosha" on me, fortunately proved of a great help, nay.. decisive > > factor to finalize "Ayanamsha" issue for me at least for the time > > being. I mean till a new Incarnation of Ayanamsha comes which should > > not be less then 3 Minutes 43 seconds compared to Lahiri to again > > bother me.> > > > Jay Gurudev> > > > yours,> > > > Utpal Pathak> >> > > > > > > > Get your own web address for just $1.99/1st yr. We'll help. Small Business.>