Guest guest Posted October 8, 2006 Report Share Posted October 8, 2006 Respected Sarajit ji and other learned members, Herewith attaching the birth details of a couple. Could you please let us know about the chances of divorce. Man - Aug 20, 1967; 4:02am; 75E41, 11N27 Woman - July 29,1973; 7:50am; 76E55, 8N29 Thanks, Sia sohamsa , " Sarajit Poddar " <sarajit.poddar wrote: > > || Jaya Jagannath || > Dear Sourav, > > I am happy to see so many questions you have posed. I am not sure, if I can > satisfacority answer all of them. Let me try. > > On 10/8/06, Sourav Chowdhury <souravc108 wrote: > > > > *|| Hare Raama Krsna ||* > > *|| Durga Smaranam ||* > > > > Dear Sarajit-ji, > > Pranam. Thank you for your response and sending me > > the file. Your article is very detailed and comprehensive. I will write a > > few questions/points on your article which I just finished reading, but > > first permit me to write a thought on why 7th from AL (if stronger) is not > > seen as a reference for money etc. > > > > 7th being the Dwara of the AL (as also mentioned in your nice article) > > shows what is allowed to the AL. Hence if 7th is stronger that AL (by having > > more grahas etc) then it means that 7th should be seen to determine the > > ability (or disability) of the rise of Arudha lagna. AL always shows the > > tangible self and every other information of the self, surroundings, > > siblings etc. 7th from AL (especially when strong) will show the rise and > > fall of AL. For example, 7th house is like the ports of a country. The > > status of the country is seen from the AL but if the ports are shut down, > > then flow or wealth, medicines, raw materials etc will not come into the > > country and the country will deteriotate. Hence for health etc matters 7th > > house is important (if stronger). > > > > Now I have been reading your article and collected a few points with > > reference to this article: > > > > a. Page 2, left col., you mentioned that exalted/debilitated graha > > associating with 11th from AL gives a lot of wealth and friendly placement > > of such a graha gives average wealth, whereas inimical signs give > > below-average wealth. It is not understood why debilitated graha will give a > > lot of wealth and a graha in inimical sign is giving average wealth. > > Sanjay-ji mentioned that exalted graha shows wealth coming from people who > > give happily, debilitation shows wealth coming from people who feel forced > > to give. Why shouldn't we extend that to friendly and inimical signs ? > > > > [sarajit] There is a specific dictum in JS " Tasmin Ucche Niche va > Srimantah " , which indicate that both exalted and debilitated planet can make > person Srimantah or blessed by Sri (Laxmi). Pt. Rath has explained the > concept, which you have already mentioned in your comments. > > b. Page 2, left col., you said we can use astakavarga w.r.t AL. However, you > > mentioned elsewhere in blog that if sum of rekhas in 6, 8 and 12th houses is > > greater than 9, 10 and 11 houses then the person will have more expenses > > than savings. So it AL is in the 10th house then this is not compatible with > > the above rule. So also, AL in the 3rd house, with 2nd house being 12th from > > AL. I think 11th house from AL shows income, 12-th shows expenses (and also > > further investments, being 2nd from 11th) and 2nd house shows savings. So it > > should be a relativity between 2nd and 12th and not between 11th and 12th > > from AL. Also, lots of rekhas in the 11th and 12-th houses indicate lots of > > wealth and expenses (i.e. overall richness) even though one may be greater > > than the other. > > > > [sarajit] Astakavarga is one of the way of seeing the strength of houses. > What Maharishi Parashara tries to say is that if the 11th from AL is > stronger that 12th from AL, by having more planets there or aspect of them, > then the gains will be un-interrupted. I have just extended to Astakavarga. > > > In this connection, let me recall another rule given in one of Sri C S > > Patel's book: if a house has lesser bindus that the 2nd from it, the said > > house prospers; if the house has more bindus from the next to it, the said > > house suffers -- this is from the principle of more 'food'. We should also > > note that graha in the 12-th from AL gives dhanaargala to the 11th house. > > Please clarify and correct me in this matter. > > > > > [sarajit] 12th is the maraka to the 11th house. Hence malefics in 12th can > reduce the gains shown in the 12th substantially. Benefics in the 12th shows > expenses in charity or controlled expenses. For that matter planets in the > 2nd from Lagna have dhanargala...but aren't they serve as maraka in their > periods? > > c. Page 3 right col., BPHS 29.25: This shows that benefics in the 7th also > > indicates wealth or what is coming through the Dwara. Jupiter is the > > significator of wealth (2nd and 11th houses), Sukra owns the natural 2nd > > house and is significator of luxorious items, Chandra is istelf the kaaraka > > of AL and placement of Chandra in 1-7 from AL will show the tides affecting > > the AL positively. > > > > [sarajit] Precisely. Well stated. > > d. Page 3 right col., debilitated Malefics causes obstruction and > > debilitated benefics causes all sorts of bad things to enter through thw > > 'Dwara' i.e. has no strength to prevent. This is one of the reason why 7th > > house is called the maaraka. > > > > [sarajit] Good point. > > e. Page 4 left col., You mentioned that debilitated graha (even benefic) in > > the 2nd from AL shows bad finances; what happens when this debilitated graha > > is aspecting the 11th from AL ? I think 2nd house is not only for finances > > but also to be seen for fame, scandals etc. For example, Rahu in the second > > from UL indicates breaking of marriage from scandals etc. > > > > [sarajit] Yes, nice point. We can see the 2nd from AL for sustainance of the > AL. I mentioned the points as given in BPHS and JS only. Thus malefics in > the 2nd from AL can show health troubles... as indicated from 2nd from UL > for the spouse. It is seen that 2nd from AL having afflicted Mercury can > make a peson suffer with weight problems. > > f. Page 4 left col., you mentioned benefics in the 2nd from AL brings > > wealth; Narasimha-ji also taught to include Surya in this list as Surya is > > giver of resources. > > > > [sarajit] I am skeptical with this. > > g. Page 5 right col., you mentioned that malefics in the 9th from AL will > > cause bad finances and social status. I have previously learned that any > > graha (including malefics) in the 9th from AL will protect (9th house) the > > UL through its means. > > > > [sarajit] Yes, Jaimini Sutras say that even a upagraha in the 9th from AL > can make a person wealthy. What I can say is that, that rule mentioned is a > general rule and 9th is an exception. In addition, malefics in the 9th from > AL can show finances, however after struggles. > > > h. Page 5 left col., why does Vahana yoga include Chandra? Because Chandra > > is sukha-kaaraka ? > > > > [sarajit] Vahana is a comfort ruled by Jala Tattva and Moon and Venus both > can indicate Vahana. Anyway, mother becomes the vahana for the child for 9 > months before birth as she carries the child during that time. > > i. Page 5 right col., in the weightage of various grahas in the said houses, > > the 7th, 11th and 12th houses are not included; further, the status of the > > grahas and rasi aspects to these houses are also left outside. > > > > [sarajit] I have just illustrated the examples based on Pt. Rath's > suggestion. As you say, this can be further enhanced based on dignity and > aspects. However for them, the weightage need to be properly worked out. > > This is what Pt. Rath says: > > * * * * * * * > The planets have the following numerical values: Sun (1) Moon (1 or > 3 depending on its pakashabala i.e. from sukla ekadasi to krsna > panchami 3 points); Mars (1); Mercury (1); Jupiter (3); Venus (2); > Saturn (2); Rahu (3); Ketu (2); > > Add the numerical values of the benefics in 2nd, 4th, 5th, 8th & 9th > houses and malefics in 3rd & 6th and subtract the values of the > benefics in 3rd & 6th and malefics in 2nd, 4th, 5th, 8th & 9th houses. > * * * * * * * > > > > > j. Page 7, left col. For Rule 1.3.44, why Gaunapada is of concern ? Why > > will kaaraka of sights (Surya) aspecting Sukra cause blindness ? Shouldn't > > it try to save the situation instead ? > > > > [sarajit] Note that Gaunapada or Upapada is the arudha of the house of > losses too. > > k. Page 7, right col., you mentioned that Guru is kaaraka of UL and Sukra of > > A7. Why is Guru Kaaraka of UL, because of dharma and children ? > > > > [sarajit] Yes. > > l. Page 9, left col. (table), you mentined Sani and Rahu in the 2nd from UL > > will disrupt digestion especially in Pisces. If so then Sani and Rahu will > > rule UL and still damage it ? Also you mentioned Guru as kaaraka for > > digestion, I believe its Surya (agni). Please clarify. > > > > [sarajit] Yes, even if they rule UL they will cause the problem. You need to > be cautious over malefic rulership of something. It is said that Malefics > being the ruler of 5th can cause troubles to the native due to bad mantras, > even if it happens to be the lord of 5th (this is just an example). > > Jupiter is the karaka for digestion and not surya and the whole digestive > system is governed by Jupiter. Surya (agni) helps Jupiter in digestion. > Digestion is different from Burning. It is getting the fruit out of a > churning process... the fruit could be energy, which we get after digestion; > the knowledge which we get after introspection; the children we get after > co-habilitation or whatever it it. > > m. Same, you mentioned that Sukra rules blood immune system. Isn't Chandra > > the kaaraka of blood ? > > > > [sarajit] Blood in general is ruled by Moon, since Moon is the jala Tattva. > However, there are three main components ruled by three different planets. > The RBCs are ruled by Mars, Immune system (WBCs) are ruled by Venus and > Blood plasma (the carrier of the blood cells) is ruled by Moon. > > Due to Venus's rulership over immune system, Diamond is suggested for Cancer > patients to increase they immune system. Venus has the power of > Mrityunjaya.. which protect against all evils... like the immunce system > fights against all antigens. > > n. Same, For Guru-Sani, you mentioned Sani as ruler of nervous system. I > > think it is Mangal who rules nerves. Here we should note that Guru gets > > debilitated in presence of Sani (Sani rules the debility rasi of Guru) and > > hence the Aakasa tattva is vitiated. > > > > [sarajit] Read what Maharishi Parashara says on this topic in Chapter 3. > असà¥à¤¥à¤¿ रकà¥à¤¤à¤¸à¥à¤¤à¤¥à¤¾ मजà¥à¤œà¤¾ तà¥à¤µà¤—à¥â€Œ वसा वीरà¥à¤¯à¤®à¥‡à¤µ च। > सà¥à¤¨à¤¾à¤¯à¥à¤°à¥‡à¤·à¤¾à¤®à¤§à¥€à¤¶à¤¾à¤¶à¥à¤š कà¥à¤° मातà¥â€Œ सूरà¥à¤¯à¤¾à¤¦à¤¯à¥‹ दà¥à¤µà¤¿à¤œà¥¥ ३१॥ > asthi raktastathÄ majjÄ tvag vasÄ vÄ«ryameva ca | > snÄyureá¹£ÄmadhīśÄÅ›ca kramÄt sÅ«ryÄdayo dvija || 31|| > > Asthi (Bones) - Sun > Rakta (Blood) - Moon > Majja (Bone Marrow) - Mars > Tvak (Skin) - Mercury > Vasa (fats) - Jupiter > Virya (Semen) - Venus > Snayu (Nerves) This is interpreted by some as muscles. - Saturn > > o. Why would Mangal and Budha cause dental troubles ? Teeth and bones are > > ruled by Surya. > > > > [sarajit] I have vague explanation on this. Possibly becuase teeth is ruled > by 2nd house and Mercury and Mars are maraka for the 2nd in the natural > zodiac. Can I have explanation from other learned members of this forum? > > p. Page 9 right col., you mentioned that 7th from UL shows native. But > > native is already shown by AL and Lagna ! It is similar to saying that 7th > > from A4 will show father or 7th from A9 will show mother. I think this sutra > > says 7th from is maaraka to UL hence shows those afflicting conditions just > > like 2nd from UL. > > > > [sarajit] You are right. Like malefic in the 7th from AL shows trouble to > the native, 7th from UL can show trouble to the spouse. However, in the > following slokas, it is clear that from the 7th lord from UL, things about > the native can be found too. > * * * * * * > Rahu in the second from the Lord of the seventh sign from > Upapada shows the native will have grotesque dentition. Ketu in the > second from 7th Lord from upapada (replacing Rahu in this > preceding stanza) causes the native to stammer. Saturn in the > second from the seventh lord from upapada gives an ugly > appearence. (JS 1.4.39-1.4.41) > * * * * * * > > > > q. Page 10, left col., I think there is a typo as there is mismatch > > between the stated sutra and your explanation. The sutra states Simha in UL, > > whereas you are taking Simha as 9th from UL. > > > > > > If Simha is UL then 9th is Mesha (odd rasi) ruled by male graha Mangal; If > > Kanya is UL the 9th is Vrisabha (even rasi) ruled by female graha Sukra. So > > both sign and lords are either male or female. Now, Chandra himself is > > predisposed to female issues and hence with strong male influence in the > > 9th, gives lesser issues and with strong female influence in the 9th from > > UL, gives many female offsprings. We should note that Chandra is kaaraka of > > 'human' offsprings. That is why in Human charts, we rectify Navamsa by > > taking PP in trines or 7th from Chandra. > > If instead of Chandra, Guru was giving drishti then more male issues can > > be expected in the first case and lesser female issues in the 2nd case. > > > > [sarajit] Yes. you are right. There is a typo in the explanation. > > r. Page 10, right col., Why does Sukra in the 3, 11from AL destroy siblings? > > I heard that Sukra causes premature birth. > > > > [sarajit] There is one more side to Venus. Venus rules semen and there > are millions of semens compete with each other to fertilise an egg. Thus it > also represent the nature of competition, which cannot stand with anyone in > the same padestal but want to be alone, superior than others. > > This is what Pt. Rath says in COVA: > * * * * * * > Co-borns are seen from the third house (younger) and eleventh house (elder) > from lagna and Arudha lagna. These houses from lagna determines their > physical presence (body) while from the Arudha lagna their numbers, ruling > stars etc. are known. Malefics in strength in the third house from lagna > destroys younger co-borns while weak malefics gives them physical strength. > For example, Mars in the third generally denies younger co-borns, but if > Mars is in Cancer a very strong younger brother is born. Saturn in the 3rd > /11th from Arudha Lagna is detrimenÂtal to younger/elder co-born and in > conjunction/ assoÂciation with Rahu, it causes death. Venus rules the sperm > through which the native attains the birth, hence the name *'Sukra'*. Since > for conception various spermatozoa, each 'carrying a different soul put up > an intense competition to fertilize the ovum, the spermaÂtozoa that succeeds > is the soul carrier of the native represented by Venus. Thus Venus indicates > the 'selfish' nature of all animals (and specifically of the native himself > in the chart) and will tend to eliminate all competition with whom the > native has to share the blessings of this world. Hence a Venus in the eighth > will indicate a premature delivery / still born child before the native > birth. Similarly Venus conjoining / aspecting the third/ eleventh will tend > to eliminate younger/ elder co-barns respectively. [*The count from Arudha > lagna for third & eleventh houses should be zodiacal or reverse depending on > whether the sign is odd or even reÂspectively*.] The number of younger/elder > co borns is the numbers of planets conjoining/ aspecting the lord of the > third/ eleventh house respectively. The Rasi dristi of planets be considered > for this purpose. > * * * * * * > > > s. Page 11, left col., Why lord of 2nd from UL in the Dhanabhava with a > > malefic make native a thief ? > > > > [sarajit] I do not have a better explanation that what I mentioned in the > article. Malefics in the 8th house or lagna lord's affliction in the 8th > house gives thieving nature. Since 7th from UL also represent the native, > lord of 8th therefrom if afflicted in the 2nd house.. can show such nature > too. > > t. Page 12, left col., Point 6 is not correct. If Rahu is in 5th house, Ketu > > is in 11th house. Then how does 11th house contain A5. Arudha of a house > > cannot be 7th from it. > > > > [sarajit] That is an OR condition and not AND condition. > > Sanjay-ji also mentioned another interesting concept. He said that if Surya > > is in the 12-th from AL, then after the death of father, the native starts > > to rise in life. If it is Chandra then after death of mother. > > > > [sarajit] Hmm.. nice point. If there are no source of expenditure/ > opposition, the income with rise :-) > > Sorry for asking a lot of questions. You have given a lot of classical > > reference. However it will take time to decode the reason behind each of > > them > > > > [sarajit] I appreciate your effort in generating so many questions. > > Thank you once again for the Pdf file. > > > > [sarajit] You are welcome. > > Best Wishes > Sarajit > > Best wishes, > > > > Sourav > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sarajit Poddar <sarajit.poddar > > sohamsa > > Cc: souravc108 > > Friday, October 6, 2006 9:49:58 PM > > Re: Re: Divorce: The emperical rule > > > > || Jaya Jagannath || > > Dear Sourav, > > > > About the UL, very nice point. Frankly speaking, I have never considered > > 7th from UL to have any implication on marriage. Even if we consider > > stronger of arudhas for various other things. We can take note that we do > > not do it for certain other things such as: > > > > 1. Financial gains and losses are only seen from 11th and 12th from AL and > > not from 11th/ 12th from 7th from AL. > > 2. Children can be seen from 9th from UL, here we do not consider 7th from > > UL too. > > 3. 3rd and 11th from AL can show siblings, here also we do not consider > > 7th from AL. > > > > Among few places we consider, we see death from 3rd and 8th from AL or the > > 7th .., whichever is stronger. Another view is to see 3rd and 7th from A7. > > > > For timing death transit of Sun in trine to A8 is seen. In such cases also > > we consider 7th from A8 and see Sun's transit from there. > > > > There could be other cases where we see the 7th from Arudha in the same > > manner we see Arudha. However such instances would be much lower. > > > > For the benefit of the members, I am posting an Article here on the > > Arudhas, which can be referred. > > > > Thanks for your appreciation on the blog-spot. Now a days I can hardly > > make out any time for contributing on Jyotish. > > > > Best Wishes > > Sarajit > > > > > > On 10/6/06, Sourav <souravc108 wrote: > > > > > > *|| Hare Raama Krsna ||* > > > > > > Dear Sarajit-ji, > > > > > > Pranaam. Yes I agree with your > > > comments about marital discord, lasting of marriage etc. from Rasi and > > > spouse's role in native's life from Navaamsa. However, I didn't touch on > > > that, actually, and the comments are specifically on the sexuality aspect > > > only. Sri Siv Pujan-ji's lecture in the 2003 West Coast Conference on that > > > was illuminating. Perhaps the specific point I discussed, in response to Sri > > > Souvik-j, is tangent to the topic of marriage/divorce, but somehow related. > > > Yes, to 'break' marriage the marakas to the UL in the rasi chart has to be > > > strong and under malefic influences. > > > > > > I have one question here. UL is an arudha and we are taught that either > > > the Arudha or the 7th from it needs to be considered, whichever is stronger > > > bhava. So do we treat the same for UL also ? > > > > > > A point aside, I am very appreciative of your varahamihira blogs as they > > > are very useful references. Thank you for providing us those. > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > Sourav > > > > > > ================================================================ > > > > > > > > > sohamsa , " Sarajit Poddar " <sarajit.poddar@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > || Jaya Jagannath || > > > > Dear Sourav, > > > > > > > > Good explanation on the kama trikona. However, I chose to see matters > > > > related to the spouse from the Navamsa chart, when it comes to marital > > > > relationships. Things like Spouse's role in native's life, nature, > > > > profession, siblings etc. can be seen very well from Navamsa chart. > > > > However, when it comes to the sustainance, even though Navamsa has a > > > say, I > > > > consider Rasi Chart to be more important. If placements/ yogas etc are > > > good > > > > in the Rasi, then blemishes in the Navamsa can be over ridden. For > > > example, > > > > if 2nd lord from UL in the rasi chart is fortified and the 2nd > > > receives > > > > aspects/ conjoined with benefics, even if there are dire malefics in > > > the 8th > > > > house in Navamsa, the marriage will not break. However, the spouse > > > might > > > > suffer severe health troubles. > > > > > > > > Best Wishes > > > > Sarajit > > > > > > > > On 10/4/06, Sourav souravc108@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > *|| Hare Raama Krsna ||* > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sri Souvik-ji, > > > > > > > > > > namaskar. Reserving the opportunity > > > > > to be educated by Learned Gurus, kindly permit me to comment on the > > > > > situation. > > > > > > > > > > In Navamsa, sexuality, desire for the same and fulfillment of the > > > same > > > > > should be seen from the 7th, 3rd and 11th houses respectively (i.e. > > > the > > > > > kaama trikona). 3rd house is the origin of desire, 7th house is the > > > sexual > > > > > act (and also indicates the sexual preference of the native), and > > > the 11th > > > > > house indicated the fulfillment and the persons from who such > > > fulfillment > > > > > can come. Sukra is karaka for the sexual act and Mangal is the > > > karaka for > > > > > the energy (Male). In case of Sukra being in debility in the 11th, > > > notice > > > > > that Sukra rules 7th house. Thus this is dissatisfaction of the > > > partner of > > > > > the native. In case of Mangal in debility, notice that Mangal is 3rd > > > lord > > > > > and hence indicates lack of desire of the native being the cause. > > > Usually, > > > > > planets in the 7th and trines indicate the people/partners. Debility > > > can > > > > > also show partners coming from poorer section of society or not from > > > high > > > > > status (relative to the native). > > > > > > > > > > Ketu aspecting (rasi drishti) the 11th greatly reduces the > > > tendencies > > > > > towards excess. Ketu aspecting the 2nd house from Navamsa lagna > > > reduces the > > > > > tendencies towards extramarital affairs. > > > > > > > > > > I refer you to the Navamsa and Sexuality - a lecture in one of the > > > SJC > > > > > Conferences. > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > Sourav > > > > > > > > > > ================================================================ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sohamsa , " Souvik Dutta " explore_vulcan@ > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Sarajit da, Goelji and other members, > > > > > > My personal observation. > > > > > > A debilitated plabet in the 11th. House in D-9 is very detrimental > > > in > > > > > > continuity of marriage and if the planet concerned is Mars and/or > > > > > > Venus sexual dissatisfaction with the partner can cause > > > separation. > > > > > > > > > > > > Any views on this. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > Souvik > > > > > > > > > > > > sohamsa , angel angelgoel@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Sarajit ji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All the Rules *specially regarding UL* are to be analysed only > > > in > > > > > > rasi (D-1) or also in Navmasa ( D-9) chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks > > > > > > > angel goel > > > > > > > =================== > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sarajit Poddar sarajit.poddar@ > > > > > > > sohamsa > > > > > > > Wednesday, September 27, 2006 5:48:43 AM > > > > > > > Re: Divorce: The emperical rule > > > > > > > > > > > > > > || Jaya Jagannath || > > > > > > > Dear Souvik, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If somebody submits some cases, then we can work on this..., > > > there > > > > > > are plenty though... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I follow these principles. > > > > > > > 1. 2nd from UL / 2nd long from UL.. weak and/or afflicted and > > > there > > > > > > are no beneficial aspects. > > > > > > > 2. 8th from Lagna afflicted and there are no beneficial aspects. > > > > > > > 3. Venus the karaka for marriage is badly placed in the Navamsa > > > > > > (primarily) and / or in Rasi (secondarily) . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best Wishes > > > > > > > Sarajit > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 9/26/06, Souvik Dutta <explore_vulcan@ > wrote: > > > > > > > Dear members, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I had a question in my mind for long. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have seen many couples mentally separated but still pulling > > > along > > > > > > > the marriage for many diverse reasons. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What exactly in a chart indicates the legal separation? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Any views will be appreciated in this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Souvik > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > Best Wishes > > > > > > > Sarajit Poddar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Best Wishes > > > > Sarajit Poddar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Best Wishes > > Sarajit Poddar > > > > > > > -- > Best Wishes > Sarajit Poddar > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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