RE:cancellation of debility rules??

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Visti Ji, namaskar Your explanation is really very lucid and clear. I have learnt more about cancellation of debility from this post. I never knew this and i thank you for sharing this nice information. alkaVisti Larsen <visti wrote: ||Hare Rama Krsna|| Dear Sourav and Reema, Namaskar I just arrived home, and decided to post a little mail. Neecha Bhanga happens in stages and can be equated to percentages. If ONE among

the planets who are (1) exalted in the debilitation sign, (2) lording the exaltation sign and (3) lording the debilitation sign, are in Kendra to lagna/moon, then the neecha bhanga is only considered to be 25% (1/4th pada). If two, then 50% and then considerable results are felt, whilst if three then it is 75%. Here the efforts are put in by the native either through their own efforts (lagna) or through mantra and determination of mind (moon) to get OUT of the state of debilitation. Exaltation in navamsa always offers 100% neecha bhanga (purna pada), as this is a blessing from GOD. Retrogression causes an atma-level-desire causing the dristis to be very strong, and in a debilitation sign causes a strong desire to reap the effects of exaltation, and through the persons own personal determination they reap the effects of exaltation over time.. Especially if this planet is associated with lagna, otherwise the effects are restricted to the dasa of the particular planet. This scenarrio in an exaltation sign does cause the desire for renunciation of fruits, just see Saturn in the chart of Sri Ramakrishna Paramahamsa. Exalted planets joined debilitated planets is like a beggar meeting a millionaire. The Beggar benefits from the millionaires donations, whilst the millionaire has to suffer the emptying of his wallet. Hence the dasa of the debilitated planet becomes auspicious, whilst the opposite is so for the exalted planet. In my experience this is more noteworthy during dasas of these planets. Bill Gates has a debilitated Sun joined an exalted Saturn, and during Sun dasa he has continued his excellent growth of wealth. Best wishes, *** Visti Larsen For services and articles visit: http://srigaruda.com *** sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of Sourav29 July 2006 07:47sohamsa Subject: Re: cancellation of debility

rules?? || Hare Rama Krishna || Dear Reema-ji, Namaskar. Comments below. Thanks for sharing Sanjay-ji's old message. Best wishes, Sourav ==============================================================sohamsa , "reema_sriganesh" <reema_sriganesh wrote:>> || Hare Rama Krishna ||> > Namaste Sourav,> > > Incidentally, if a graha is retrograde and debilitated, without> considering other neechabhanga> > rules, we can say that it is likely to give exaltation status after> initial suffering or opposing> > circumstances. Similarly, when graha is retrograde and exalted,> opposite will happen.> > I remember reading the following in one of the really old messages of> Sanjayji on Varahamihira list.> > The three conditions that cause neecha-bhanga

rajayoga are:> > 1) Graha lording the sign where neecha graha is placed is in a kendra> from lagna or chandra> > 2) Graha lording the 7th from the sign where neecha graha is placed is> in a kendra from lagna or chandra> > 3) Graha getting exaltation in the sign where neecha graha is placed is> in a kendra from lagna or chandra [sourav]: These are traditionally accepted. Navamsa is also checked (Neecha in rasi and Uchccha in Navamsa)> > In addition to these, two more conditions of neecha-bhanga rajayoga,> which are not mentioned in the classics, are: [sourav]: I don't think these are neecha-bhanga per se. The teaching is that the results

are akin to debilitation initialy and then is reversed to be akin to exaltation. The key word is 'akin to' for example a debilitated retrograde Shukra in kendra goes not give Malavya yoga but Shukra has strength due to being vakri ( ref. to strength rules)> > 1) Neecha graha is retrograde> > 2) Neecha graha is conjoined an uccha graha [sourav]: I didnt know of this. Thanks. However, I think the neecha graha pulls down the uccha graha and the uccha graha is no longer that exalted. Food for Thought: (a) Does this relief to the neecha graha depend on the Naisargika Sambandha ? The reason I put this is that grahas conjoining in a house get involved in graha yudda and hence this factor may influence the relief. (b) I never read about the quality of neecha-bhanga for example, which of the neecha-bhanga rules give more strength. This could be related to extent of debility (i.e. how close the neecha graha is to its deep debility degree) > > The last two conditions give neecha-bhanga with a lot of effort.> > This is from my recollection and so I could be slighly off.> > May Sri Vishnu bless us all,> Reema.> > sohamsa , "Sourav" souravc108@ wrote:>

>> >> > || Hare Rama Krishna ||> >> > Dear Alka-ji,> >> > namaskar. Please find comments below.> >> > Best wishes,> >> > Sourav> >> > =====================================================================> > sohamsa , Alka Saini alka.saini@ wrote:> > >> > > Hi,> > >> > > I am beginner in astrology and I seek some clarifications for> > cancellation of debility. I have read the following 4 points about> > cancellation of debility.> > >> > > 1. If the dipositor of the debilitated planet is in an angulare> house> > from ascendant or the moon.> > > 2. If the lord of the sign where such a planet is exalted is in an> > angle from the acendant

or the moon.> > > 3. If the debilitated planet is aspected by its dipositor.> > > 4. The debilitated planet is in own or exalted Navamasa.> > >> > > What I have understood dispositor as: e.g. if mars is placed in> > cancer, then dispositor of mars is moon. Is my understanding correct> for> > dispositor?> > >> > > Now my doubts:> > >> > > 1. If mars is placed in cancer, its dispositor will always be moon,> > which will be in an angle from moon. So, does that mean that mars> never> > gets debilitated or in other words, debiliation gets cancelled due to> > moon.> >> > [sourav]: If that is so then Mangal will never have debility at all !> > But that cannot be so. We have to understand the Neechabhanga concept> > carefully. It it is caused by Kendra to Chandra then it is

due to help> > from society (Chandra is karaka of society). If it is by kendra from> > lagna then it is due to self-effort. Hence, if Mangal is in Karka then> > look for Guru of Shani being in kendra from Chandra or kendra from> > Lagna.> >> >> > >> > > 2. I have not understood the rule number 2 properly. I try by> example> > and u ppl let me know if i am correct. say again if mars is debiliated> > (cancer), so do we have to look at jupiter (it gets exalted in cancer)> > and check if it is in an angular house from moon or asecendant.> >> > [sourav]: Yes> >> > Or we to check the exaltation sign of mars (capricorn) that whether it> > is in an angular house from moon or asecendant.> >> > [sourav]: No> > >> > > 3. if debility is cancelled, then we don't need to

perform any> > remedies for debilitated planet?> >> > [sourav]: The correct word is Neecha Bhanga or 'breaking' of neecha> > status. It is not cancellation. Rasi shows situation. When a graha is> in> > neecha status, the person will face situations that are going down or> > becoming unfavourable. So there is initial suffering. When the> > Vimsottari dasa of the graha which is bestowing neechabhanga comes,> the> > situation will become favourable again. So there is suffering first> and> > then removal.> >> > Incidentally, if a graha is retrograde and debilitated, without> > considering other neechabhanga rules, we can say that it is likely to> > give exaltation status after initial suffering or opposing> > circumstances. Similarly, when graha is retrograde and exalted,> opposite> > will

happen.> >> >> > >> > > Kindly answer my queries.> > >> > > Alka> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >>

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