SAV Question (Jhora - Technical Question)

[Guest guest]

Dear Ramesh,

 

> Do you plan to make any corrections in ashakavarga point calculations? There> was a discussion sometime back about totaling error.

There is no totalling error.

 

Are you talking about the point someone made a while ago about JHora not adding ashtakavargas properly to come up with SAV? If I remember right, the person said something like JHora's SAV not being "sarva ashtakavarga" but being "sarva saptakavarga", as only 7 charts are totalled.

 

That is merely that person's theory. It is not a well-accepted view. All authors have taught adding the seven bhinna ashtakavargas (BAVs) to come up with SAV. Lagna's BAV is not included in SAV.

 

The point that this makes it "sarva saptakavarga" is silly. We are still adding "ashtakavargas" only. Whether "sarva" (literally, all) means seven planets or eight points including lagna is debatable. Instead of adding eight "ashtakavargas", we are adding seven "ashtakavargas". They are still ashtakavargas and not saptakavargas. Each chart considers auspicious places for the seven planets w.r.t. the eight references.

 

For research, I will add the option of including lagna's BAV also in SAV. However, I will caution people that this pushes the scores artificially high. The rules of >30 scores being excellent and 25-30 being neutral etc will be offset by this. For example, SAV of my rasi chart has 5 out of 12 rasis with scores of 30 or higher. They are considered strong houses. If I add lagna's BAV also, 9 out of 12 rasis have scores of 30 or higher.

 

In fact, many people will have too many houses with scores of 30 or higher. After all, the total of all rasis in SAV increases from 337 to 386, when you add lagna's BAV! The average score increases from 337/12=28.1 to 386/12=32.2. Thus, >30 scores becomes commonplace. The directive from classics that 25-30 is average and >30 is good is no longer relevant.

 

I strongly advise against this change. Adding the ashtakavargas of 7 planets to come up with SAV is the correct approach.

 

If there was some other discussion on "totaling error" that I missed, please forward the discussion to me. I missed it. I caught the above discussion on "sarva saptakavarga", but did not get a chance to reply then.

 

 

 

Sarvam SreeKrishnaarpanamastu,

Narasimha

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> || Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat ||> > Dear Narasimha,> Do you plan to make any corrections in ashakavarga point calculations? There> was a discussion sometime back about totaling error. > Best Wishes,> Ramesh

[Guest guest]

||Hare Rama Krsna||

Dear Narasimha,

Namaskar

I have

used the term ‘sarva saptakavarga’ quite playfully, and if i have

hurt you or anyone, i do apologize. It was never meant as criticism, but as a

means to invite new-thinking in others.

I fully

agree with your statement about the ‘common’ application and

acceptance of Sarva-ashtakavarga. The problem is that some well-reckognized authors

such as Varahmihira, Vaidyanath Dikshita, etc. invite and use the addition of

seven vargas for the SAV scheme. They have also given points to credit this

scheme, which Guruji has reproduced in his book.

But,

Parasara has not mentioned the omition of the lagna-varga, which is a very

obvious omition from an otherwise very explicit rishi. So unless we wanto

contend this statement of a rishi, we should use all vargas if we wanto follow

Parasara.

Then what

about the other respectable authors who use seven vargas??? Now, my personal

learning from Guruji is that the eight vargas relate to the eight chara karaka,

whilst seven are related to seven chara karaka. In other words: (1) eight chara

karakas are used for natal chart, whilst (2) seven chara karakas are used for

muhurta. This is acceptable as Parasara himself has mentioned that ‘others

use seven chara karakas’, and hence the connection between AV and chara

karakas. So also others will need to use seven vargas. I’m stating this

for reference, but i won’t hold anything against you if you do not accept

it.

Your

totalling calculation is well known and acceptable and i fully agree with the

doubt that an average of 32 vs. 28 does not add up with Parasaras view that 30

is the middle limit for experiencing auspicious vs. inauspicious results. But,

you can also not justify that 28 as an average is more acceptable as this

average is less auspicous. On this point i don’t see your justification

and i would appreciate a more detailed explanation.

Best

wishes,

***

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sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of Narasimha P.V.R. Rao

04 August 2006 17:18

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SAV Question

(Re: Jhora - Technical Question)

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Ramesh,

 

 

 

 

 

> Do you plan to make any corrections in ashakavarga

point calculations? There

> was a discussion sometime back about totaling error.

 

 

 

There is no totalling error.

 

 

 

 

 

Are you talking about the point someone made a while ago

about JHora not adding ashtakavargas properly to come up with SAV? If I

remember right, the person said something like JHora's SAV not being

" sarva ashtakavarga " but being " sarva saptakavarga " ,

as only 7 charts are totalled.

 

 

 

 

 

That is merely that person's theory. It is not a

well-accepted view. All authors have taught adding the seven bhinna

ashtakavargas (BAVs) to come up with SAV. Lagna's BAV is not included in SAV.

 

 

 

 

 

The point that this makes it " sarva saptakavarga "

is silly. We are still adding " ashtakavargas " only. Whether

" sarva " (literally, all) means seven planets or eight points

including lagna is debatable. Instead of adding eight " ashtakavargas " ,

we are adding seven " ashtakavargas " . They are still

ashtakavargas and not saptakavargas. Each chart considers auspicious places for

the seven planets w.r.t. the eight references.

 

 

 

 

 

For research, I will add the option of including lagna's BAV

also in SAV. However, I will caution people that this pushes the scores

artificially high. The rules of >30 scores being excellent and 25-30 being

neutral etc will be offset by this. For example, SAV of my rasi chart has 5 out

of 12 rasis with scores of 30 or higher. They are considered strong houses. If

I add lagna's BAV also, 9 out of 12 rasis have scores of 30 or higher.

 

 

 

 

 

In fact, many people will have too many houses with scores

of 30 or higher. After all, the total of all rasis in SAV increases from 337 to

386, when you add lagna's BAV! The average score increases from 337/12=28.1 to

386/12=32.2. Thus, >30 scores becomes commonplace. The directive from

classics that 25-30 is average and >30 is good is no longer relevant.

 

 

 

 

 

I strongly advise against this change. Adding the ashtakavargas

of 7 planets to come up with SAV is the correct approach.

 

 

 

 

 

If there was some other discussion on " totaling

error " that I missed, please forward the discussion to me. I missed it. I

caught the above discussion on " sarva saptakavarga " , but did not

get a chance to reply then.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Sarvam SreeKrishnaarpanamastu,

 

 

Narasimha

 

 

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> || Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat ||

>

> Dear Narasimha,

> Do you plan to make any corrections in ashakavarga point calculations?

There

> was a discussion sometime back about totaling error.

> Best Wishes,

> Ramesh

[Guest guest]

|| Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat ||

 

Dear Narasimha,

Thank you for your kind response. I however find totals of 7 charts excluding lagna not matching with SAV. A chart discussed in in your lesson 75 is attached, details below.

 

lesson75, part 1

 

Natal Chart

 

July 18, 1968Time: 17:28:00Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)Place: 77 E 17' 00", 15 N 38' 00" Adoni, India

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

ASC

SUN

MOON

MARS

MERCURY

JUPITER

VENUS

SATURN

8 BAVs TOT

7 BAVs TOT

JHORA TOT

 

HOUSE

RASHI

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

1

SAGITTARIUS

2

4

3

5

4

4

4

3

29

27

29

 

2

CAPRICORN

4

6

4

3

5

3

2

3

30

26

32

 

3

AQUARIUS

5

6

5

4

5

4

7

5

41

36

21

 

4

PISCES

4

4

4

1

6

7

4

3

33

29

21

 

5

ARIES

5

5

5

4

3

5

6

3

36

31

26

 

6

TAURUS

3

4

4

4

6

5

5

5

36

33

29

 

7

GEMINI

6

4

4

4

4

5

4

4

35

29

29

 

8

CANCER

3

3

1

3

6

3

4

2

25

22

33

 

9

LEO

3

2

4

1

2

6

6

3

27

24

28

 

10

VIRGO

7

3

7

4

4

6

2

3

36

29

30

 

11

LIBRA

3

4

5

3

4

5

3

3

30

27

31

 

12

SCORPIO

4

3

3

3

5

3

5

2

28

24

28

 

 

 

49

48

49

39

54

56

52

39

386

337

337

 

Best Wishes,

Ramesh

 

 

 

sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of Narasimha P.V.R. RaoFriday, August 04, 2006 11:18 AMvedic astrology ; sohamsa ; Subject: SAV Question (Re: Jhora - Technical Question)

 

 

 

Dear Ramesh,

 

> Do you plan to make any corrections in ashakavarga point calculations? There> was a discussion sometime back about totaling error.

There is no totalling error.

 

Are you talking about the point someone made a while ago about JHora not adding ashtakavargas properly to come up with SAV? If I remember right, the person said something like JHora's SAV not being "sarva ashtakavarga" but being "sarva saptakavarga", as only 7 charts are totalled.

 

That is merely that person's theory. It is not a well-accepted view. All authors have taught adding the seven bhinna ashtakavargas (BAVs) to come up with SAV. Lagna's BAV is not included in SAV.

 

The point that this makes it "sarva saptakavarga" is silly. We are still adding "ashtakavargas" only. Whether "sarva" (literally, all) means seven planets or eight points including lagna is debatable. Instead of adding eight "ashtakavargas", we are adding seven "ashtakavargas". They are still ashtakavargas and not saptakavargas. Each chart considers auspicious places for the seven planets w.r.t. the eight references.

 

For research, I will add the option of including lagna's BAV also in SAV. However, I will caution people that this pushes the scores artificially high. The rules of >30 scores being excellent and 25-30 being neutral etc will be offset by this. For example, SAV of my rasi chart has 5 out of 12 rasis with scores of 30 or higher. They are considered strong houses. If I add lagna's BAV also, 9 out of 12 rasis have scores of 30 or higher.

 

In fact, many people will have too many houses with scores of 30 or higher. After all, the total of all rasis in SAV increases from 337 to 386, when you add lagna's BAV! The average score increases from 337/12=28.1 to 386/12=32.2. Thus, >30 scores becomes commonplace. The directive from classics that 25-30 is average and >30 is good is no longer relevant.

 

I strongly advise against this change. Adding the ashtakavargas of 7 planets to come up with SAV is the correct approach.

 

If there was some other discussion on "totaling error" that I missed, please forward the discussion to me. I missed it. I caught the above discussion on "sarva saptakavarga", but did not get a chance to reply then.

 

 

 

Sarvam SreeKrishnaarpanamastu,

Narasimha

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> || Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat ||> > Dear Narasimha,> Do you plan to make any corrections in ashakavarga point calculations? There> was a discussion sometime back about totaling error. > Best Wishes,> Ramesh

[Guest guest]

Namaste Ramesh,

 

You are using an option I added for researchers. That is the reason for the discrepancy.

 

Instead of adding scores in signs, it adds scores in houses. For example, the score in the 1st house from Sun in Sun's BAV, the score in the 1st house from Moon in Moon's BAV etc are added up and the score is written in SAV in the 1st house from lagna.

 

This is only experimental research. The standard method is to simply add the scores in the same sign in all BAV's and write the sum in the same sign in SAV.

 

Go to the main menu (top). Click "Preferences", "Related to Calculations" and "Ashtakavarga Calculation Options". The second checkbox of the dialog box is checked in your case and hence the research option is in use. Now, uncheck that. You will be all set!

 

 

 

Sarvam SreeKrishnaarpanamastu,

Narasimha

-------------------------------

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> || Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat ||> > Dear Narasimha,> Thank you for your kind response. I however find totals of 7 charts> excluding lagna not matching with SAV. A chart discussed in in your lesson> 75 is attached, details below.> > lesson75, part 1> > Natal Chart> > July 18, 1968> Time: 17:28:00> Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)> Place: 77 E 17' 00", 15 N 38' 00"> Adoni, India> > > ASC SUN MOON MARS MERCURY JUPITER> VENUS SATURN 8 BAVs TOT 7 BAVs TOT JHORA TOT > HOUSE RASHI> > 1 SAGITTARIUS 2 4 3 5 4 4 4> 3 29 27 29 > 2 CAPRICORN 4 6 4 3 5 3 2> 3 30 26 32 > 3 AQUARIUS 5 6 5 4 5 4 7> 5 41 36 21 > 4 PISCES 4 4 4 1 6 7 4 3> 33 29 21 > 5 ARIES 5 5 5 4 3 5 6 3> 36 31 26 > 6 TAURUS 3 4 4 4 6 5 5 5> 36 33 29 > 7 GEMINI 6 4 4 4 4 5 4 4> 35 29 29 > 8 CANCER 3 3 1 3 6 3 4 2> 25 22 33 > 9 LEO 3 2 4 1 2 6 6 3> 27 24 28 > 10 VIRGO 7 3 7 4 4 6 2 3> 36 29 30 > 11 LIBRA 3 4 5 3 4 5 3 3> 30 27 31 > 12 SCORPIO 4 3 3 3 5 3 5> 2 28 24 28 > 49 48 49 39 54 56 52 39> 386 337 337 > > Best Wishes,> Ramesh> > > > _____ > > sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of> Narasimha P.V.R. Rao> Friday, August 04, 2006 11:18 AM> vedic astrology ; sohamsa ;> > SAV Question (Re: Jhora - Technical Question)> > > > > Dear Ramesh,> > > Do you plan to make any corrections in ashakavarga point calculations?> There> > was a discussion sometime back about totaling error. > > There is no totalling error.> > Are you talking about the point someone made a while ago about JHora not> adding ashtakavargas properly to come up with SAV? If I remember right, the> person said something like JHora's SAV not being "sarva ashtakavarga" but> being "sarva saptakavarga", as only 7 charts are totalled.> > That is merely that person's theory. It is not a well-accepted view. All> authors have taught adding the seven bhinna ashtakavargas (BAVs) to come up> with SAV. Lagna's BAV is not included in SAV.> > The point that this makes it "sarva saptakavarga" is silly. We are still> adding "ashtakavargas" only. Whether "sarva" (literally, all) means seven> planets or eight points including lagna is debatable. Instead of adding> eight "ashtakavargas", we are adding seven "ashtakavargas". They are still> ashtakavargas and not saptakavargas. Each chart considers auspicious places> for the seven planets w.r.t. the eight references.> > For research, I will add the option of including lagna's BAV also in SAV.> However, I will caution people that this pushes the scores artificially> high. The rules of >30 scores being excellent and 25-30 being neutral etc> will be offset by this. For example, SAV of my rasi chart has 5 out of 12> rasis with scores of 30 or higher. They are considered strong houses. If I> add lagna's BAV also, 9 out of 12 rasis have scores of 30 or higher.> > In fact, many people will have too many houses with scores of 30 or higher.> After all, the total of all rasis in SAV increases from 337 to 386, when you> add lagna's BAV! The average score increases from 337/12=28.1 to> 386/12=32.2. Thus, >30 scores becomes commonplace. The directive from> classics that 25-30 is average and >30 is good is no longer relevant.> > I strongly advise against this change. Adding the ashtakavargas of 7 planets> to come up with SAV is the correct approach.> > If there was some other discussion on "totaling error" that I missed, please> forward the discussion to me. I missed it. I caught the above discussion on> "sarva saptakavarga", but did not get a chance to reply then.> > Sarvam SreeKrishnaarpanamastu, > Narasimha> -------------------------------> Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net> Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org> Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org> -------------------------------> > > || Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat ||> > > > Dear Narasimha,> > Do you plan to make any corrections in ashakavarga point calculations?> There> > was a discussion sometime back about totaling error. > > Best Wishes,> > Ramesh

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|| Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat ||

 

Dear Narasimha,

oh ok. Many thanks for correcting.

Best Wishes,

Ramesh

 

 

 

sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of Narasimha P.V.R. RaoFriday, August 04, 2006 1:52 PMsohamsa ; vedic astrology ; Subject: RE: SAV Question (Re: Jhora - Technical Question)

 

 

 

Namaste Ramesh,

 

You are using an option I added for researchers. That is the reason for the discrepancy.

 

Instead of adding scores in signs, it adds scores in houses. For example, the score in the 1st house from Sun in Sun's BAV, the score in the 1st house from Moon in Moon's BAV etc are added up and the score is written in SAV in the 1st house from lagna.

 

This is only experimental research. The standard method is to simply add the scores in the same sign in all BAV's and write the sum in the same sign in SAV.

 

Go to the main menu (top). Click "Preferences", "Related to Calculations" and "Ashtakavarga Calculation Options". The second checkbox of the dialog box is checked in your case and hence the research option is in use. Now, uncheck that. You will be all set!

 

 

 

Sarvam SreeKrishnaarpanamastu,

Narasimha

-------------------------------

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> || Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat ||> > Dear Narasimha,> Thank you for your kind response. I however find totals of 7 charts> excluding lagna not matching with SAV. A chart discussed in in your lesson> 75 is attached, details below.> > lesson75, part 1> > Natal Chart> > July 18, 1968> Time: 17:28:00> Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)> Place: 77 E 17' 00", 15 N 38' 00"> Adoni, India> > > ASC SUN MOON MARS MERCURY JUPITER> VENUS SATURN 8 BAVs TOT 7 BAVs TOT JHORA TOT > HOUSE RASHI> > 1 SAGITTARIUS 2 4 3 5 4 4 4> 3 29 27 29 > 2 CAPRICORN 4 6 4 3 5 3 2> 3 30 26 32 > 3 AQUARIUS 5 6 5 4 5 4 7> 5 41 36 21 > 4 PISCES 4 4 4 1 6 7 4 3> 33 29 21 > 5 ARIES 5 5 5 4 3 5 6 3> 36 31 26 > 6 TAURUS 3 4 4 4 6 5 5 5> 36 33 29 > 7 GEMINI 6 4 4 4 4 5 4 4> 35 29 29 > 8 CANCER 3 3 1 3 6 3 4 2> 25 22 33 > 9 LEO 3 2 4 1 2 6 6 3> 27 24 28 > 10 VIRGO 7 3 7 4 4 6 2 3> 36 29 30 > 11 LIBRA 3 4 5 3 4 5 3 3> 30 27 31 > 12 SCORPIO 4 3 3 3 5 3 5> 2 28 24 28 > 49 48 49 39 54 56 52 39> 386 337 337 > > Best Wishes,> Ramesh> > > > _____ > > sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of> Narasimha P.V.R. Rao> Friday, August 04, 2006 11:18 AM> vedic astrology ; sohamsa ;> > SAV Question (Re: Jhora - Technical Question)> > > > > Dear Ramesh,> > > Do you plan to make any corrections in ashakavarga point calculations?> There> > was a discussion sometime back about totaling error. > > There is no totalling error.> > Are you talking about the point someone made a while ago about JHora not> adding ashtakavargas properly to come up with SAV? If I remember right, the> person said something like JHora's SAV not being "sarva ashtakavarga" but> being "sarva saptakavarga", as only 7 charts are totalled.> > That is merely that person's theory. It is not a well-accepted view. All> authors have taught adding the seven bhinna ashtakavargas (BAVs) to come up> with SAV. Lagna's BAV is not included in SAV.> > The point that this makes it "sarva saptakavarga" is silly. We are still> adding "ashtakavargas" only. Whether "sarva" (literally, all) means seven> planets or eight points including lagna is debatable. Instead of adding> eight "ashtakavargas", we are adding seven "ashtakavargas". They are still> ashtakavargas and not saptakavargas. Each chart considers auspicious places> for the seven planets w.r.t. the eight references.> > For research, I will add the option of including lagna's BAV also in SAV.> However, I will caution people that this pushes the scores artificially> high. The rules of >30 scores being excellent and 25-30 being neutral etc> will be offset by this. For example, SAV of my rasi chart has 5 out of 12> rasis with scores of 30 or higher. They are considered strong houses. If I> add lagna's BAV also, 9 out of 12 rasis have scores of 30 or higher.> > In fact, many people will have too many houses with scores of 30 or higher.> After all, the total of all rasis in SAV increases from 337 to 386, when you> add lagna's BAV! The average score increases from 337/12=28.1 to> 386/12=32.2. Thus, >30 scores becomes commonplace. The directive from> classics that 25-30 is average and >30 is good is no longer relevant.> > I strongly advise against this change. Adding the ashtakavargas of 7 planets> to come up with SAV is the correct approach.> > If there was some other discussion on "totaling error" that I missed, please> forward the discussion to me. I missed it. I caught the above discussion on> "sarva saptakavarga", but did not get a chance to reply then.> > Sarvam SreeKrishnaarpanamastu, > Narasimha> -------------------------------> Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net> Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org> Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org> -------------------------------> > > || Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat ||> > > > Dear Narasimha,> > Do you plan to make any corrections in ashakavarga point calculations?> There> > was a discussion sometime back about totaling error. > > Best Wishes,> > Ramesh

[Guest guest]

||Hare Rama Krsna||

Dear

Narasimha, Namaskar

I have

used the term ‘sarva saptakavarga’ quite playfully, and if i have

hurt you or anyone, i do apologize. It was never meant as criticism, but as a

means to invite new-thinking in others.

I fully

agree with your statement about the ‘common’ application and

acceptance of Sarva-ashtakavarga. The problem is that some well-reckognized

authors such as Varahmihira, Vaidyanath Dikshita, etc. invite and use the

addition of seven vargas for the SAV scheme. They have also given points to

credit this scheme, which Guruji has reproduced in his book.

But,

Parasara has not mentioned the omition of the lagna-varga, which is a very

obvious omition from an otherwise very explicit rishi. So unless we wanto contend

this statement of a rishi, we should use all vargas if we wanto follow

Parasara.

Then what

about the other respectable authors who use seven vargas??? Now, my personal

learning from Guruji is that the eight vargas relate to the eight chara karaka,

whilst seven are related to seven chara karaka. In other words: (1) eight chara

karakas are used for natal chart, whilst (2) seven chara karakas are used for

muhurta. This is acceptable as Parasara himself has mentioned that

‘others use seven chara karakas’, and hence the connection between

AV and chara karakas. So also others will need to use seven vargas. I’m

stating this for reference, but i won’t hold anything against you if you

do not accept it.

Your

totalling calculation is well known and acceptable and i fully agree with the

doubt that an average of 32 vs. 28 does not add up with Parasaras view that 30

is the middle limit for experiencing auspicious vs. inauspicious results. But,

you can also not justify that 28 as an average is more acceptable as this

average is less auspicous. On this point i don’t see your justification

and i would appreciate a more detailed explanation.

Best

wishes,

***

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articles visit:

http://srigaruda.com

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sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of Narasimha P.V.R. Rao

04 August 2006 17:18

To:

vedic astrology ; sohamsa ;

 

SAV Question

(Re: Jhora - Technical Question)

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Ramesh,

 

 

 

 

 

> Do you plan to make any corrections in ashakavarga

point calculations? There

> was a discussion sometime back about totaling error.

 

 

 

There is no totalling error.

 

 

 

 

 

Are you talking about the point someone made a while ago

about JHora not adding ashtakavargas properly to come up with SAV? If I

remember right, the person said something like JHora's SAV not being

" sarva ashtakavarga " but being " sarva saptakavarga " ,

as only 7 charts are totalled.

 

 

 

 

 

That is merely that person's theory. It is not a

well-accepted view. All authors have taught adding the seven bhinna

ashtakavargas (BAVs) to come up with SAV. Lagna's BAV is not included in SAV.

 

 

 

 

 

The point that this makes it " sarva saptakavarga "

is silly. We are still adding " ashtakavargas " only. Whether

" sarva " (literally, all) means seven planets or eight points

including lagna is debatable. Instead of adding eight " ashtakavargas " ,

we are adding seven " ashtakavargas " . They are still

ashtakavargas and not saptakavargas. Each chart considers auspicious places for

the seven planets w.r.t. the eight references.

 

 

 

 

 

For research, I will add the option of including lagna's BAV

also in SAV. However, I will caution people that this pushes the scores

artificially high. The rules of >30 scores being excellent and 25-30 being

neutral etc will be offset by this. For example, SAV of my rasi chart has 5 out

of 12 rasis with scores of 30 or higher. They are considered strong houses. If

I add lagna's BAV also, 9 out of 12 rasis have scores of 30 or higher.

 

 

 

 

 

In fact, many people will have too many houses with scores

of 30 or higher. After all, the total of all rasis in SAV increases from 337 to

386, when you add lagna's BAV! The average score increases from 337/12=28.1 to

386/12=32.2. Thus, >30 scores becomes commonplace. The directive from

classics that 25-30 is average and >30 is good is no longer relevant.

 

 

 

 

 

I strongly advise against this change. Adding the

ashtakavargas of 7 planets to come up with SAV is the correct approach.

 

 

 

 

 

If there was some other discussion on " totaling

error " that I missed, please forward the discussion to me. I missed it. I

caught the above discussion on " sarva saptakavarga " , but did not

get a chance to reply then.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Sarvam SreeKrishnaarpanamastu,

 

 

Narasimha

 

 

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> || Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat ||

>

> Dear Narasimha,

> Do you plan to make any corrections in ashakavarga point calculations?

There

> was a discussion sometime back about totaling error.

> Best Wishes,

> Ramesh

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Dear Ramesh, I do not know you but I strongly object of your using the word silly in the mail. Mr. Visti is very learned person and trying to serve the cause of Astrology in remarkable manner. God may give him long life. Parampara is a good thing as it protects us from pit-falls. But it should not be an excuse , where other alternatives should not be explored. Similarly Dictum of Rishis and sages do show us the way but this does not mean that we should put lock on our thinking. these dictum's rather help us to explore new ideas . Sir, you may be aware that the ASTAK VARGA OF RAHU AND KETU ARE ALSO SUGGESTED BY SOME PROMINENT ACYARAYS IN THE PAST. Lagna astaka varga is also used in longevity calculations. All of us know very little, for God' sake please do not use harsh language in the Mail. Regards, GOPAL KRISHNA GOEL Visti Larsen <visti wrote: ||Hare Rama Krsna|| Dear Narasimha, Namaskar I have used the term ‘sarva saptakavarga’ quite playfully, and if i have hurt you or anyone, i do apologize. It was never meant as criticism, but as a means to invite new-thinking in others. I fully agree with your statement about the ‘common’ application and acceptance of Sarva-ashtakavarga. The problem is that some well-reckognized authors such as Varahmihira, Vaidyanath Dikshita, etc. invite and use the addition of seven vargas for the SAV scheme. They have also given points to credit this scheme, which Guruji has reproduced in his book. But, Parasara has not mentioned the omition of the lagna-varga, which is a very obvious omition from an otherwise very explicit rishi. So unless we wanto contend this statement of a rishi, we should use all vargas if we wanto follow Parasara. Then what about the other respectable authors who use seven vargas??? Now, my personal learning from Guruji is that the eight vargas relate to the eight chara karaka, whilst seven are related to seven chara karaka. In other words: (1) eight chara karakas are used for natal chart, whilst (2) seven chara karakas are used for muhurta. This is acceptable as Parasara himself has mentioned that ‘others use seven chara

karakas’, and hence the connection between AV and chara karakas. So also others will need to use seven vargas. I’m stating this for reference, but i won’t hold anything against you if you do not accept it. Your totalling calculation is well known and acceptable and i fully agree with the doubt that an average of 32 vs. 28 does not add up with Parasaras view that 30 is the middle limit for experiencing auspicious vs. inauspicious results. But, you can also not justify that 28 as an average is more acceptable as this average is less auspicous. On this point i don’t see your justification and i would appreciate a more detailed explanation. Best wishes, *** Visti Larsen For services and articles visit: http://srigaruda.com *** sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of Narasimha P.V.R. Rao04 August 2006 17:18vedic astrology ; sohamsa ; Subject: SAV Question (Re: Jhora - Technical Question) Dear Ramesh, > Do you plan to make any corrections in ashakavarga point calculations? There> was a discussion sometime back about totaling error.

There is no totalling error. Are you talking about the point someone made a while ago about JHora not adding ashtakavargas properly to come up with SAV? If I remember right, the person said something like JHora's SAV not being "sarva ashtakavarga" but being "sarva saptakavarga", as only 7 charts are totalled. That is merely that person's theory. It is not a well-accepted view. All authors have taught adding the seven bhinna ashtakavargas (BAVs) to come up with SAV. Lagna's BAV is not included in SAV. The point that this makes it "sarva saptakavarga" is silly. We are still adding "ashtakavargas" only. Whether "sarva" (literally, all) means seven planets or eight points including lagna is debatable. Instead of adding eight "ashtakavargas", we are adding seven "ashtakavargas". They are still ashtakavargas and not saptakavargas. Each chart considers auspicious

places for the seven planets w.r.t. the eight references. For research, I will add the option of including lagna's BAV also in SAV. However, I will caution people that this pushes the scores artificially high. The rules of >30 scores being excellent and 25-30 being neutral etc will be offset by this. For example, SAV of my rasi chart has 5 out of 12 rasis with scores of 30 or higher. They are considered strong houses. If I add lagna's BAV also, 9 out of 12 rasis have scores of 30 or higher. In fact, many people will have too many houses with scores of 30 or higher. After all, the total of all rasis in SAV increases from 337 to 386, when you add lagna's BAV! The average score increases from 337/12=28.1 to 386/12=32.2. Thus, >30 scores becomes commonplace. The directive from classics that 25-30 is average and >30 is good is no longer relevant. I strongly advise against this change. Adding the ashtakavargas of 7 planets to come up with SAV is the correct approach. If there was some other discussion on "totaling error" that I missed, please forward the discussion to me. I missed it. I caught the above discussion on "sarva saptakavarga", but did not get a chance to reply then. Sarvam SreeKrishnaarpanamastu, Narasimha ------------------------------- Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org ------------------------------- > || Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat ||> > Dear Narasimha,> Do you plan to make any corrections in ashakavarga point calculations? There> was a discussion sometime back about totaling error. > Best Wishes,> Ramesh

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|| Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat ||

 

Dear Goelji,

There is some mix up here. I don't think I used the word 'silly'.

Best Wishes,

Ramesh

 

 

 

sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of Gopal GoelMonday, August 07, 2006 4:13 AMsohamsa Subject: Re: re: SAV Question (Re: Jhora - Technical Question)

 

 

 

Dear Ramesh,

I do not know you but I strongly object of your using the word silly in the mail.

Mr. Visti is very learned person and trying to serve the cause of Astrology in remarkable manner. God may give him long life.

Parampara is a good thing as it protects us from pit-falls. But it should not be an excuse , where other alternatives should not be explored.

Similarly Dictum of Rishis and sages do show us the way but this does not mean that we should put lock on our thinking. these dictum's rather help us to explore new ideas .

Sir, you may be aware that the ASTAK VARGA OF RAHU AND KETU ARE ALSO SUGGESTED BY SOME PROMINENT ACYARAYS IN THE PAST.

Lagna astaka varga is also used in longevity calculations.

All of us know very little, for God' sake please do not use harsh language in the Mail.

Regards,

GOPAL KRISHNA GOEL

 

Visti Larsen <visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) com> wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

||Hare Rama Krsna||

Dear Narasimha, Namaskar

I have used the term ‘sarva saptakavarga’ quite playfully, and if i have hurt you or anyone, i do apologize. It was never meant as criticism, but as a means to invite new-thinking in others.

I fully agree with your statement about the ‘common’ application and acceptance of Sarva-ashtakavarga. The problem is that some well-reckognized authors such as Varahmihira, Vaidyanath Dikshita, etc. invite and use the addition of seven vargas for the SAV scheme. They have also given points to credit this scheme, which Guruji has reproduced in his book.

But, Parasara has not mentioned the omition of the lagna-varga, which is a very obvious omition from an otherwise very explicit rishi. So unless we wanto contend this statement of a rishi, we should use all vargas if we wanto follow Parasara.

Then what about the other respectable authors who use seven vargas??? Now, my personal learning from Guruji is that the eight vargas relate to the eight chara karaka, whilst seven are related to seven chara karaka. In other words: (1) eight chara karakas are used for natal chart, whilst (2) seven chara karakas are used for muhurta. This is acceptable as Parasara himself has mentioned that ‘others use seven chara karakas’, and hence the connection between AV and chara karakas. So also others will need to use seven vargas. I’m stating this for reference, but i won’t hold anything against you if you do not accept it.

Your totalling calculation is well known and acceptable and i fully agree with the doubt that an average of 32 vs. 28 does not add up with Parasaras view that 30 is the middle limit for experiencing auspicious vs. inauspicious results. But, you can also not justify that 28 as an average is more acceptable as this average is less auspicous. On this point i don’t see your justification and i would appreciate a more detailed explanation.

Best wishes,

***

Visti Larsen

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***

 

 

 

 

sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of Narasimha P.V.R. Rao04 August 2006 17:18vedic astrology ; sohamsa ; Subject: SAV Question (Re: Jhora - Technical Question)

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Ramesh,

 

 

 

> Do you plan to make any corrections in ashakavarga point calculations? There> was a discussion sometime back about totaling error.

 

There is no totalling error.

 

 

 

Are you talking about the point someone made a while ago about JHora not adding ashtakavargas properly to come up with SAV? If I remember right, the person said something like JHora's SAV not being "sarva ashtakavarga" but being "sarva saptakavarga", as only 7 charts are totalled.

 

 

 

That is merely that person's theory. It is not a well-accepted view. All authors have taught adding the seven bhinna ashtakavargas (BAVs) to come up with SAV. Lagna's BAV is not included in SAV.

 

 

 

The point that this makes it "sarva saptakavarga" is silly. We are still adding "ashtakavargas" only. Whether "sarva" (literally, all) means seven planets or eight points including lagna is debatable. Instead of adding eight "ashtakavargas", we are adding seven "ashtakavargas". They are still ashtakavargas and not saptakavargas. Each chart considers auspicious places for the seven planets w.r.t. the eight references.

 

 

 

For research, I will add the option of including lagna's BAV also in SAV. However, I will caution people that this pushes the scores artificially high. The rules of >30 scores being excellent and 25-30 being neutral etc will be offset by this. For example, SAV of my rasi chart has 5 out of 12 rasis with scores of 30 or higher. They are considered strong houses. If I add lagna's BAV also, 9 out of 12 rasis have scores of 30 or higher.

 

 

 

In fact, many people will have too many houses with scores of 30 or higher. After all, the total of all rasis in SAV increases from 337 to 386, when you add lagna's BAV! The average score increases from 337/12=28.1 to 386/12=32.2. Thus, >30 scores becomes commonplace. The directive from classics that 25-30 is average and >30 is good is no longer relevant.

 

 

 

I strongly advise against this change. Adding the ashtakavargas of 7 planets to come up with SAV is the correct approach.

 

 

 

If there was some other discussion on "totaling error" that I missed, please forward the discussion to me. I missed it. I caught the above discussion on "sarva saptakavarga", but did not get a chance to reply then.

 

 

 

 

 

Sarvam SreeKrishnaarpanamastu,

 

Narasimha

 

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Dear Visti,

 

> Your totalling calculation is well known and acceptable and i fully agree> with the doubt that an average of 32 vs. 28 does not add up with Parasaras> view that 30 is the middle limit for experiencing auspicious vs.> inauspicious results. But, you can also not justify that 28 as an average is> more acceptable as this average is less auspicous. On this point i don't see> your justification and i would appreciate a more detailed explanation.

 

The "middle" value for experiencing good and bad results is not 30. Parasara taught that good results are obtained for scores over 30, bad results for scores below 25 and "medium" results for scores between 25 and 30. Thus, the "middle limit" is in between 25 and 30. The value 28 (average score in SAV, using seven ashtakavargas of planets) fits here better than the value of 32 (average score in SAV, using eight ashtakavargas).

 

To me, this amply suggests that lagna's AV is not included in SAV. Otherwise, Parasara's guidelines on good, medium and bad scores in SAV become illogical. If 8 AVs were to be summed, I would've expected Parasara to teach that 30-35 is medium, >35 is good and <30 is bad.

 

> But, Parasara has not mentioned the omition of the lagna-varga, which is a> very obvious omition from an otherwise very explicit rishi.

 

Well, Parasara does not really mention everything "very explicitly". A lot of things are read between the lines. He is only *relatively* more explicit than Jaimini.

 

He neither mentions the omission nor the inclusion of lagna's AV. Then, we have the above logic that suggests that lagna's AV is not included.

 

> I have used the term 'sarva saptakavarga' quite playfully, and if i have> hurt you or anyone, i do apologize. It was never meant as criticism, but as> a means to invite new-thinking in others.

New-thinking is always welcome. However, "sarva saptaka varga" label on what everybody including Dr Raman taught is quite unjustified. If one does not realize that you were being "quite playful", one can actually be misled by that harsh label (which really has no basis).

 

 

 

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> ||Hare Rama Krsna||> > Dear Narasimha, Namaskar> > I have used the term 'sarva saptakavarga' quite playfully, and if i have> hurt you or anyone, i do apologize. It was never meant as criticism, but as> a means to invite new-thinking in others.> > I fully agree with your statement about the 'common' application and> acceptance of Sarva-ashtakavarga. The problem is that some well-reckognized> authors such as Varahmihira, Vaidyanath Dikshita, etc. invite and use the> addition of seven vargas for the SAV scheme. They have also given points to> credit this scheme, which Guruji has reproduced in his book.> > But, Parasara has not mentioned the omition of the lagna-varga, which is a> very obvious omition from an otherwise very explicit rishi. So unless we> wanto contend this statement of a rishi, we should use all vargas if we> wanto follow Parasara.> > Then what about the other respectable authors who use seven vargas??? Now,> my personal learning from Guruji is that the eight vargas relate to the> eight chara karaka, whilst seven are related to seven chara karaka. In other> words: (1) eight chara karakas are used for natal chart, whilst (2) seven> chara karakas are used for muhurta. This is acceptable as Parasara himself> has mentioned that 'others use seven chara karakas', and hence the> connection between AV and chara karakas. So also others will need to use> seven vargas. I'm stating this for reference, but i won't hold anything> against you if you do not accept it.> > Your totalling calculation is well known and acceptable and i fully agree> with the doubt that an average of 32 vs. 28 does not add up with Parasaras> view that 30 is the middle limit for experiencing auspicious vs.> inauspicious results. But, you can also not justify that 28 as an average is> more acceptable as this average is less auspicous. On this point i don't see> your justification and i would appreciate a more detailed explanation.> > Best wishes,> > ***> > Visti Larsen> > For services and articles visit: > > <http://srigaruda.com> http://srigaruda.com> > ***> > _____ > > sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of> Narasimha P.V.R. Rao> 04 August 2006 17:18> vedic astrology ; sohamsa ;> > SAV Question (Re: Jhora - Technical Question)> > > > Dear Ramesh,> > > > > Do you plan to make any corrections in ashakavarga point calculations?> There> > was a discussion sometime back about totaling error. > > > There is no totalling error.> > > > Are you talking about the point someone made a while ago about JHora not> adding ashtakavargas properly to come up with SAV? If I remember right, the> person said something like JHora's SAV not being "sarva ashtakavarga" but> being "sarva saptakavarga", as only 7 charts are totalled.> > > > That is merely that person's theory. It is not a well-accepted view. All> authors have taught adding the seven bhinna ashtakavargas (BAVs) to come up> with SAV. Lagna's BAV is not included in SAV.> > > > The point that this makes it "sarva saptakavarga" is silly. We are still> adding "ashtakavargas" only. Whether "sarva" (literally, all) means seven> planets or eight points including lagna is debatable. Instead of adding> eight "ashtakavargas", we are adding seven "ashtakavargas". They are still> ashtakavargas and not saptakavargas. Each chart considers auspicious places> for the seven planets w.r.t. the eight references.> > > > For research, I will add the option of including lagna's BAV also in SAV.> However, I will caution people that this pushes the scores artificially> high. The rules of >30 scores being excellent and 25-30 being neutral etc> will be offset by this. For example, SAV of my rasi chart has 5 out of 12> rasis with scores of 30 or higher. They are considered strong houses. If I> add lagna's BAV also, 9 out of 12 rasis have scores of 30 or higher.> > > > In fact, many people will have too many houses with scores of 30 or higher.> After all, the total of all rasis in SAV increases from 337 to 386, when you> add lagna's BAV! The average score increases from 337/12=28.1 to> 386/12=32.2. Thus, >30 scores becomes commonplace. The directive from> classics that 25-30 is average and >30 is good is no longer relevant.> > > > I strongly advise against this change. Adding the ashtakavargas of 7 planets> to come up with SAV is the correct approach.> > > > If there was some other discussion on "totaling error" that I missed, please> forward the discussion to me. I missed it. I caught the above discussion on> "sarva saptakavarga", but did not get a chance to reply then.> > > > Sarvam SreeKrishnaarpanamastu, > > Narasimha> > -------------------------------> > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net> > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org> > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org> > -------------------------------> > > > > || Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat ||> > > > Dear Narasimha,> > Do you plan to make any corrections in ashakavarga point calculations?> There> > was a discussion sometime back about totaling error. > > Best Wishes,> > Ramesh>

 

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Dear Narasimha ji and Visti ji , The discussions on Astaka-Varga are quite illuminating. I may like to draw attention on some vital aspects which may help to widen THE understanding: 1.Basically Astak-Varga is to understand the transit results in more rational manner, of-course it has other uses also. 2.This is the basic reason that auspicious / un - auspicious influence is judged from eight points that of seven planets ,instead of only either of Moon or Ascendant only. As lagna does not transit Parasara also did not include Lagna Astaka-Varga.In Nabhus Yogas and in Chakras where 28 Nakshatras are considered , seven visible planets play prominent role.Sapta-astak varga indicate basic auspicious strength of the signs in nativity.AND LAGNA VARGA HAS NO DIRECT ROLE IN THIS SCHEME. 3. For Rasi Dasas and longevity calculations ,Lagna astak -varga is more usefully

adopted. 4. Some authorities also suggested the use of Astaka-Varga of Rahu and Ketu. Their use should be limited to know the effects of these planets only. 5.Lagna Astaka -Varga has a specific role and it should not be integrated with basic scheme of Sapta-astaka varga.7 OR 8 CHAR-KARKA DOES NOT SEEM TO INFLUENCE THE BASIC SCHEME. I support the views of Mr. Narasimha. Regards, G.K.GOEL"Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" <pvr wrote: Dear Visti,> Your totalling calculation is well known and acceptable and i fully agree> with the doubt that an average of 32 vs. 28 does not add up with Parasaras> view that 30 is the middle limit for experiencing auspicious vs.> inauspicious results. But, you can also not justify that 28 as an average is> more acceptable as this average is less auspicous. On this point i don't see> your justification and i would appreciate a more detailed explanation.The "middle" value for experiencing good and bad results is not 30. Parasara taught that good results are obtained for scores over 30, bad results for scores below 25 and "medium" results for scores between 25 and 30. Thus, the "middle limit" is in between 25 and 30. The value 28 (average score in SAV, using seven ashtakavargas of planets) fits here better than the value of 32 (average score in SAV, using eight ashtakavargas).To me, this

amply suggests that lagna's AV is not included in SAV. Otherwise, Parasara's guidelines on good, medium and bad scores in SAV become illogical. If 8 AVs were to be summed, I would've expected Parasara to teach that 30-35 is medium, >35 is good and <30 is bad.> But, Parasara has not mentioned the omition of the lagna-varga, which is a> very obvious omition from an otherwise very explicit rishi.Well, Parasara does not really mention everything "very explicitly". A lot of things are read between the lines. He is only *relatively* more explicit than Jaimini.He neither mentions the omission nor the inclusion of lagna's AV. Then, we have the above logic that suggests that lagna's AV is not included.> I have used the term 'sarva saptakavarga' quite playfully, and if i have> hurt you or anyone, i do apologize. It was never meant as criticism, but as> a means to invite new-thinking in others.New-thinking is

always welcome. However, "sarva saptaka varga" label on what everybody including Dr Raman taught is quite unjustified. If one does not realize that you were being "quite playful", one can actually be misled by that harsh label (which really has no basis).Sarvam SreeKrishnaarpanamastu, Narasimha-------------------------Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.netFree Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.orgSri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org-------------------------> ||Hare Rama Krsna||> > Dear Narasimha, Namaskar> > I have used the term 'sarva

saptakavarga' quite playfully, and if i have> hurt you or anyone, i do apologize. It was never meant as criticism, but as> a means to invite new-thinking in others.> > I fully agree with your statement about the 'common' application and> acceptance of Sarva-ashtakavarga. The problem is that some well-reckognized> authors such as Varahmihira, Vaidyanath Dikshita, etc. invite and use the> addition of seven vargas for the SAV scheme. They have also given points to> credit this scheme, which Guruji has reproduced in his book.> > But, Parasara has not mentioned the omition of the lagna-varga, which is a> very obvious omition from an otherwise very explicit rishi. So unless we> wanto contend this statement of a rishi, we should use all vargas if we> wanto follow Parasara.> > Then what about the other respectable authors who use seven vargas??? Now,> my personal

learning from Guruji is that the eight vargas relate to the> eight chara karaka, whilst seven are related to seven chara karaka. In other> words: (1) eight chara karakas are used for natal chart, whilst (2) seven> chara karakas are used for muhurta. This is acceptable as Parasara himself> has mentioned that 'others use seven chara karakas', and hence the> connection between AV and chara karakas. So also others will need to use> seven vargas. I'm stating this for reference, but i won't hold anything> against you if you do not accept it.> > Your totalling calculation is well known and acceptable and i fully agree> with the doubt that an average of 32 vs. 28 does not add up with Parasaras> view that 30 is the middle limit for experiencing auspicious vs.> inauspicious results. But, you can also not justify that 28 as an average is> more acceptable as this average is less auspicous. On

this point i don't see> your justification and i would appreciate a more detailed explanation.> > Best wishes,> > ***> > Visti Larsen> > For services and articles visit: > > <http://srigaruda.com> http://srigaruda.com> > ***> > _____ > > sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of> Narasimha P.V.R. Rao> 04 August 2006 17:18> vedic astrology ; sohamsa ;> >

SAV Question (Re: Jhora - Technical Question)> > > > Dear Ramesh,> > > > > Do you plan to make any corrections in ashakavarga point calculations?> There> > was a discussion sometime back about totaling error. > > > There is no totalling error.> > > > Are you talking about the point someone made a while ago about JHora not> adding ashtakavargas properly to come up with SAV? If I remember right, the> person said something like JHora's SAV not being "sarva ashtakavarga" but> being "sarva saptakavarga", as only 7 charts are totalled.> > > > That is merely that person's theory. It is not a well-accepted view. All> authors have taught adding the seven bhinna ashtakavargas (BAVs) to come up> with SAV. Lagna's BAV is not included in SAV.> > > >

The point that this makes it "sarva saptakavarga" is silly. We are still> adding "ashtakavargas" only. Whether "sarva" (literally, all) means seven> planets or eight points including lagna is debatable. Instead of adding> eight "ashtakavargas", we are adding seven "ashtakavargas". They are still> ashtakavargas and not saptakavargas. Each chart considers auspicious places> for the seven planets w.r.t. the eight references.> > > > For research, I will add the option of including lagna's BAV also in SAV.> However, I will caution people that this pushes the scores artificially> high. The rules of >30 scores being excellent and 25-30 being neutral etc> will be offset by this. For example, SAV of my rasi chart has 5 out of 12> rasis with scores of 30 or higher. They are considered strong houses. If I> add lagna's BAV also, 9 out of 12 rasis have scores of 30 or

higher.> > > > In fact, many people will have too many houses with scores of 30 or higher.> After all, the total of all rasis in SAV increases from 337 to 386, when you> add lagna's BAV! The average score increases from 337/12=28.1 to> 386/12=32.2. Thus, >30 scores becomes commonplace. The directive from> classics that 25-30 is average and >30 is good is no longer relevant.> > > > I strongly advise against this change. Adding the ashtakavargas of 7 planets> to come up with SAV is the correct approach.> > > > If there was some other discussion on "totaling error" that I missed, please> forward the discussion to me. I missed it. I caught the above discussion on> "sarva saptakavarga", but did not get a chance to reply then.> > > > Sarvam SreeKrishnaarpanamastu, > > Narasimha>

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Dear Goel ji,

Did you get some time to review the exchange of mails in light of my clarification? My original mail is right at the bottom of this string.

Best Wishes,

Ramesh

 

 

 

sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of Ramesh F. GangaramaniMonday, August 07, 2006 8:58 AMsohamsa Subject: RE: re: SAV Question (Re: Jhora - Technical Question)

 

 

 

 

|| Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat ||

 

Dear Goelji,

There is some mix up here. I don't think I used the word 'silly'.

Best Wishes,

Ramesh

 

 

 

sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of Gopal GoelMonday, August 07, 2006 4:13 AMsohamsa Subject: Re: re: SAV Question (Re: Jhora - Technical Question)

 

 

 

Dear Ramesh,

I do not know you but I strongly object of your using the word silly in the mail.

Mr. Visti is very learned person and trying to serve the cause of Astrology in remarkable manner. God may give him long life.

Parampara is a good thing as it protects us from pit-falls. But it should not be an excuse , where other alternatives should not be explored.

Similarly Dictum of Rishis and sages do show us the way but this does not mean that we should put lock on our thinking. these dictum's rather help us to explore new ideas .

Sir, you may be aware that the ASTAK VARGA OF RAHU AND KETU ARE ALSO SUGGESTED BY SOME PROMINENT ACYARAYS IN THE PAST.

Lagna astaka varga is also used in longevity calculations.

All of us know very little, for God' sake please do not use harsh language in the Mail.

Regards,

GOPAL KRISHNA GOEL

 

Visti Larsen <visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) com> wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

||Hare Rama Krsna||

Dear Narasimha, Namaskar

I have used the term ‘sarva saptakavarga’ quite playfully, and if i have hurt you or anyone, i do apologize. It was never meant as criticism, but as a means to invite new-thinking in others.

I fully agree with your statement about the ‘common’ application and acceptance of Sarva-ashtakavarga. The problem is that some well-reckognized authors such as Varahmihira, Vaidyanath Dikshita, etc. invite and use the addition of seven vargas for the SAV scheme. They have also given points to credit this scheme, which Guruji has reproduced in his book.

But, Parasara has not mentioned the omition of the lagna-varga, which is a very obvious omition from an otherwise very explicit rishi. So unless we wanto contend this statement of a rishi, we should use all vargas if we wanto follow Parasara.

Then what about the other respectable authors who use seven vargas??? Now, my personal learning from Guruji is that the eight vargas relate to the eight chara karaka, whilst seven are related to seven chara karaka. In other words: (1) eight chara karakas are used for natal chart, whilst (2) seven chara karakas are used for muhurta. This is acceptable as Parasara himself has mentioned that ‘others use seven chara karakas’, and hence the connection between AV and chara karakas. So also others will need to use seven vargas. I’m stating this for reference, but i won’t hold anything against you if you do not accept it.

Your totalling calculation is well known and acceptable and i fully agree with the doubt that an average of 32 vs. 28 does not add up with Parasaras view that 30 is the middle limit for experiencing auspicious vs. inauspicious results. But, you can also not justify that 28 as an average is more acceptable as this average is less auspicous. On this point i don’t see your justification and i would appreciate a more detailed explanation.

Best wishes,

***

Visti Larsen

For services and articles visit:

http://srigaruda.com

***

 

 

 

 

sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of Narasimha P.V.R. Rao04 August 2006 17:18vedic astrology ; sohamsa ; Subject: SAV Question (Re: Jhora - Technical Question)

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Ramesh,

 

 

 

> Do you plan to make any corrections in ashakavarga point calculations? There> was a discussion sometime back about totaling error.

 

There is no totalling error.

 

 

 

Are you talking about the point someone made a while ago about JHora not adding ashtakavargas properly to come up with SAV? If I remember right, the person said something like JHora's SAV not being "sarva ashtakavarga" but being "sarva saptakavarga", as only 7 charts are totalled.

 

 

 

That is merely that person's theory. It is not a well-accepted view. All authors have taught adding the seven bhinna ashtakavargas (BAVs) to come up with SAV. Lagna's BAV is not included in SAV.

 

 

 

The point that this makes it "sarva saptakavarga" is silly. We are still adding "ashtakavargas" only. Whether "sarva" (literally, all) means seven planets or eight points including lagna is debatable. Instead of adding eight "ashtakavargas", we are adding seven "ashtakavargas". They are still ashtakavargas and not saptakavargas. Each chart considers auspicious places for the seven planets w.r.t. the eight references.

 

 

 

For research, I will add the option of including lagna's BAV also in SAV. However, I will caution people that this pushes the scores artificially high. The rules of >30 scores being excellent and 25-30 being neutral etc will be offset by this. For example, SAV of my rasi chart has 5 out of 12 rasis with scores of 30 or higher. They are considered strong houses. If I add lagna's BAV also, 9 out of 12 rasis have scores of 30 or higher.

 

 

 

In fact, many people will have too many houses with scores of 30 or higher. After all, the total of all rasis in SAV increases from 337 to 386, when you add lagna's BAV! The average score increases from 337/12=28.1 to 386/12=32.2. Thus, >30 scores becomes commonplace. The directive from classics that 25-30 is average and >30 is good is no longer relevant.

 

 

 

I strongly advise against this change. Adding the ashtakavargas of 7 planets to come up with SAV is the correct approach.

 

 

 

If there was some other discussion on "totaling error" that I missed, please forward the discussion to me. I missed it. I caught the above discussion on "sarva saptakavarga", but did not get a chance to reply then.

 

 

 

 

 

Sarvam SreeKrishnaarpanamastu,

 

Narasimha

 

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