Nadi Techniques ( To Sri Ramadas Rao-ji)

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|| Hare Rama Krsna ||

Dear Ramadas Rao-ji,

Pranam. Thank you for the advise. With permission of my Guru-ji, I would like to contact Sri R. G. Rao for permission and knowledge. Being in US at present it is not possible to be in Bangalore. But I will try to visit him if circumstances permit in near future. Would you kindly let me know Sri Rao's address and introduce me. I would write to my Guru-ji to see if I am prepared enough for further knowledge in Nadi techniques.

I am grateful to you for all your suggestions and help.

Best wishes,

Sourav

================================================================sohamsa , Ramadas Rao <ramadasrao wrote>> OM SHRI RAGHAVENDRAAYA NAMAH> OM NAMO NARAYANAYA> Dear Sourav,> There a lot of Nadi books written by my Nadi Guru Shri R.G.Rao from Bangalore.He searched many palm leaves written in Sanskrit and Tamil and made deep research into the Nadi Leaves and then he wrote the books.But the books are available with him only and he wants the students who are interested to learn Nadi Astrology has to become his students,then only he will give those books to them.So for this you have to come to Bangalore.if you are ready for this, I will give his address.> With Shri Hari Vaayu Guru Naama Smarana,> Ramadas Rao.> > > Sourav souravc108 wrote:> || Hare Rama Krsna ||> Dear Sri Ramadas-ji,> Pranam. Sorry to digress, but you fluidly use Nadi techniques. Can you kindly educate me about some books which I can follow to learn techniques ? I do not know how to read South Indian languages.> Best wishes,> Sourav> =================================================================> sohamsa , Ramadas Rao ramadasrao@ wrote:> >> > OM SHRI RAGHAVENDRAAYA NAMAH> > OM NAMO NARAYANAYA> > Dear Lakshmi Ji,> > I agree with your point about Guru and Shani be connected with each other.So when the actual horoscope is made,I strongly feel that either Guru is in Uttarabadhra Nakshtra ruled by Shani or Shani is in Poorvabadhra Pada Nakshatra ruled by Guru.> > In my explanation,I forgotten to write something more.kuja is the Karaka for brother and as he is exalted and is in trine with exalted Budha nad this Budha is being aspected by Rahu who is in Tula .This indicates that HIS brother who is very strong and courageous holding Halayudha represented by exalted Kuja in Makara Rashi and is an Avatara of Shesha Naaga which is represented by Rahu aspecting exalted Budha.( Bala Rama )> > Nadi secrets are difficult to interpret but I am trying to read such difficult charts.I also have the chart of Markandeya which is given in Nadi book.I will interpret that chart whenever I am free.> > With Shri Hari Vaayu Guru Naama Smarana,> > Ramadas Rao.> > > > B Lakshmi Ramesh b_lakshmi_ramesh@ wrote:> > Om Gurave namah> > > > Namaste Ramdas Raoji,> > > > Brilliant explanation. Thanks for taking the discussion forward. > > This thread is greatly strengthened by the participation of > > stalwarts like Sanjay ji, Goel ji, yourself and Prabhakara, and I am > > learning all the time:--)) > > > > I would have very much liked to do the timing of the data given by > > you, but in my system, jhora is hanging whenever I give a B.C. date. > > I remember Vishnu Jandhyala once told me that if I install the full > > version of jhora, this problem would be overcome and he had sent me > > the version too. It is my mistake that I had not done so > > immediately, because now I can't trace that CD among the hundreds of > > CDs in the house…all seeming to contain FIFAs and NHLs:--(( But I > > guess I need not worry, because our other friends would have, by > > now, isolated the probable dates.> > > > The configuration given by you puts 7 planets in own/exaltation > > signs in Sri Krishna's Chart. That's indeed the chart of a maha > > purusha. But I do have one doubt. Such a formidable array of planets > > would have conferred a great kingdom on him, but I think He chose to > > remain a prince, while Balarama became the king. Perhaps this > > secondary role, in the material sense, is attributable to the fact > > that He is the lunar incarnation. I also feel that there should be > > a connection between Saturn & Jupiter in his chart. I mean, > > Bhagavadgita is Brahmavidya, an unparalleled exposition of > > philosophical wisdom, and that would necessitate the influence of > > both planets on His mind and intellect. He's also the Yogeeshwara, > > the ultimate Parivrajaka, so Saturn must influence his 4th > > house/lord as well. This is so in the case of both Sri Rama, Buddha > > and Krishna Chaitanya. What do you feel?> > > > Regards,> > Lakshmi> > > > sohamsa , Ramadas Rao ramadasrao@ wrote:> > >> > > OM SHRI RAGHAVENDRAAYA NAMAH> > > OM NAMO NARAYANAYA> > > Dear Sanjay P and Lakshmi Ji,> > > May be 2-3 years before in VA list I provided Shri Krishna's > > horoscope which is written in Sanskrit which will be chanted by the > > Swami Ji who performs Pooja on Shri Krishna Ashtami day in Udipi.The > > Horoscope chanting is special on the birth day of Shri Krishna.Here > > again I provide the same Sanskrit Shlokas and one of you or anybody > > who is expert in calculating to present B.C. years can decode it.:> > > SWASTI SHRI MADBHAGAVATO MAHAPURUSHASYA PRAVARTAMAANASYA > > BRAHMANAH DWITEEYA PRARAARDHE SHWETAVARAAHA KALPE > > VAIVASVATAMANVANTARE ASHTAAVIMSHATITAME MAHAAYUGAANTARGATA > > DVAAPARAYUGASYA 8,63,900 NAVA SHATTYUTTARA TRISHASHTI > > SAHASRAADHIKAASHTALAKSHAANI,SHESHADWAAPARA YUGA VARSHAANI 100 > > EKASHATAANI TADAA PRAVARTAMAANE VIRODHI NAAMA SAMVATASARA > > DAKSHINAAYANE VARSHA RUTAOU SHRAAVANA MAASE KRISHNA PAKSHE ASHTAMI > > TITHAOU,BUDHAVAASARE 50.44,ROHINI 52.51,VAJRA YOGA 53.20,BAVA KARANA > > 27 ; EVAM PANCHAANGA SHUDDHESMIN DINE SHRI MAARTHAANDA > > MANDALAARDHODAYAAT GATAGHATIKAA :455 ,VRISHABHA LAGNODAYE PUNYODAYA > > VELAAYAAM JAMBUDVIPE BHARATAKHANDE YAMUNAATIRE SHRI > > MANMATHURAANAGARA SHRI SOMAVAMSHOTPANNA SHURASENA RAAJAATMAJA SHRI > > VASUDEVARAAJA VIRAAJAMAANSTASYA GRUHE,YAA SAUBHAAGYAADYAKHILAGUNA > > SAMPANNAA DEVAKI TASYAAH UDARE KAARAAGRUHE ASHTAMA PUTRASYA SHRI > > KRISHNASYA JANMAABHOOT.> > > The chart is also given.Lagna is Vrishabha with Chandra,Surya in > > Simha Rashi,Budha in Kanya,Shukra and Rahu in Tula,Kuja in > > Makara,Shani in Kumbha, Guru in Meena and Ketu in Mesha rashi.> > > As per this,then we have 3 different charts.I am also searching > > for the accurate birth chart of Shri Krishna.Now if anybody can > > decode the above Sanskrit wordings and match with the chart > > mentioned above, then I feel that the chart is correct.> > > Just a few points. As per Nadi Technics, Guru is the native as > > he is Jeeva Karaka and so here Guru in Meena Rashi indicates Lord > > Shri Mannarayanaya and Budha Uccha in Bhootattwa in opposition to > > Guru indicates the birth in this earth as a Avatara Purusha.Ketu in > > Mesha aspecting its previous house as he is retrograding indicates > > HE is a Yoga Purusha.Guru is hemmed between 2 malefics Ketu and > > Shani indicating HIS birth was in Bandhana.Shani in 12th to Guru > > indicates HE insisted Karma Yoga.Guru is in North direction whereas > > Chandra is in South direction, so HE is very handsome in look.Also > > Kuja and Guru are in opposite directions, so HE has got immense > > powers.Kuja can give miraculous powers in this position.Guru in > > connection with Chandra, Budha and Kuja made HIM a Pavaada > > Purusha.Patni Karaka Shukra is in Moola Trikona Sthana with Maya > > Karaka Rahu indicates HE has a lot of wives and all these wives are > > following Bhakti Marga only and so HE married them.This is because of> > > Shani in Moola Trikona is in trine to Shukra and Rahu.Karma > > Karaka Shani in 12th to Jeeva Karaka Guru indicates HE is a great > > Philosopher also who gave this world the great Karma Yoga and Bhakti > > Yoga.There are still many Nadi secrets which I am still studying > > only to uncover such secrets.> > > In the above analysis, Janma Lagna is not taken into > > consideration and everything is considered from Guru only.> > > With Shri Hari Vaayu Guru Naama Smarana,> > > Ramadas Rao.> > > > > > Sanjay Prabhakaran sanjaychettiar@ wrote:> > > || Om Gurave Namah ||> > > > > > Dear Lakshmi,> > > > > > Kaalaprakaashika does not give the Navamsha, It just gives the > > Panchanga and Rashi positions. Since it's a book on Muhurtha mostly > > it focused more on Panchanga. But this is the only classics where I > > could find description of Lord Krishna's chart. > > > > > > I would be interested to know if somebody else found more > > details. I think Bhavatam does not give Planetary positions, Mostly > > the Lagna, Month and Nakshatra at birth is given. > > > > > > > > > Warm Regards> > > Sanjay P> > > > > > > > > > > > On 7/31/06, B Lakshmi Ramesh b_lakshmi_ramesh@ > > > wrote: Om Gurave Namah> > > > > > Namaste Prabhakara,> > > > > > The chart given by you looks interesting. What's the birth data?> > > Is the navamsa chart available?> > > > > > Regards,> > > Lakshmi> > > > > > sohamsa , "Sanjay Prabhakaran" > > > > > > > > > <sanjaychettiar@> wrote:> > > >> > > > || Om Gurave Namah ||> > > > Dear Robertji and Jyotishas,> > > > I also read another chart for Lord Krishna in Shree Jayanti > > > Chapter of> > > > KaalaPrakshika of Narasimhan acharya. The details of the chart > > are > > > in the> > > > following link, Please give your opinion on this one too,> > > > > > > > http://sanjayprabhakaran.blogspot.com/2005/11/shree-jayanti.html> > > > > > > > Panchanga at Birth is> > > > Nakshatra: Rohini 4th Pada> > > > Karana: Kaulava> > > > Yoga: Harshana> > > > Tithi: Krishna Ashtami (K8)> > > > Vaara : Wednesday> > > > > > > > Taurus Lagna.> > > > > > > > Warm Regards> > > > Sanjay P> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 7/30/06, Robert Koch <rk@> wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Om Vishnave Namah> > > > >> > > > > The following is the birth data for Sri Krsna that I used in > > my > > > book *The> > > > > Spiritual Dimensions of Vedic Astrology *(I neglected to add > > it > > > at the end> > > > > of my last post):> > > > >> > > > > Sri Krsna> > > > > Natal Chart June 23, -3227 Time: > > > 23:42:35 Time> > > > > Zone: 5:10:00 (East of GMT) Place: 77 E 41' 00", 27 > > > N 25' 00"> > > > > Ayanamsa: 48-17-59.39> > > > >> > > > > The lagna should be 14Ta07.> > > > >> > > > > Best wishes,> > > > > Robert> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > At 12:48 PM 7/30/2006, you wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Om Vishnave Namah> > > > >> > > > > Dear Lakshmi,> > > > >> > > > > Namaste ~> > > > >> > > > > I had been away from the Sohamsa list for a few days, and thus > > > the delay> > > > > in responding to you. Thank you for your email and your kind > > > words> > > > > regarding my book. It was my original desire that Jyotish > > > scholars such as> > > > > yourself would read and enjoy this book, and so your positive > > > feedback is> > > > > most encouraging.> > > > >> > > > > You've raised a very interesting question regarding the chart > > of > > > Lord Sri> > > > > Krsna as discussed in my book, and so let me respond to you as > > > follows:> > > > > First, I would say that the horoscopes of Avataras are most or > > > less symbolic> > > > > of much broader issues than the charts of ordinary humans are, > > > although> > > > > recorded events associated with Their Lilas are documented and > > > can also be> > > > > correlated to astrological principles in certain ways. But for > > > the most> > > > > part, typical yogas, vargas, planetary positions and > > strengths, > > > and other> > > > > principles we use to study the charts of humans cannot, for > > > example, tell us> > > > > how Sri Krsna had 16,108 wives, or that he showed His mother > > the > > > entire> > > > > universe or Virata-rupa within his mouth! That being said, the > > > study of> > > > > charts of avataras is a fascinating study when we bear in mind > > > (1) the> > > > > transcendental nature of such personalities as described in > > Vedic> > > > > scriptures; and (2) we make such as study making use of > > > guidelines given in> > > > > classical texts such as Jataka Parijata, Prashna Marga, BPHS, > > > etc.> > > > >> > > > > Now, in my book I referred to Jataka Parijata 4.97 in which > > some> > > > > astrological criteria for the charts of avataras was given. In > > > that text,> > > > > it is suggested that the Sun, Jupiter, and Mars should be in > > the > > > 9th house> > > > > from lagna or that they should aspect it; that the Navamsa > > they > > > occupy is> > > > > owned by the 9th house and also by Saturn (Cp and Aq) and that > > > they be in> > > > > vargottamamsa; and further, that the Moon, in strength, should > > > occupy the> > > > > lagna. Expansions on these points were given on page 363 of my > > > book, and my> > > > > conclusions were also made in consultation with Pt. Sanjay > > Rath.> > > > >> > > > > The gist of Sri Krsna's chart is as follows [the data for the > > > chart I use> > > > > is given at the end of this email, for those who would like to > > > follow along> > > > > with this discuss. I recommend calculating this chart only > > with > > > the JHora> > > > > software, as other software will given different and erroneous > > > results]: In> > > > > the rasi chart, The Sun, Mars, and Jupiter all aspect the 9th > > > house, which> > > > > is the sign Capricorn, while the exalted Moon occupies the > > > lagna; in> > > > > Navamsa, the vargottama Moon occupies the lagna, while Jupiter > > > occupies the> > > > > 9th house. Mars aspects the 9th house, while the Sun reaches > > > the 9th house> > > > > by way of Mercury's dispositorship. Now, why should the > > avatara > > > of Sri> > > > > Krsna - and incarnation of Vishnu - have Jupiter debilitated > > in > > > the 9th> > > > > house of the Dharmamsa chart? It is because the purpose of > > such > > > avataras is> > > > > to reinstate Dharma first of all; that such avataras appear > > > toward the end> > > > > of a yuga; and further that (according to shastras) the time > > at > > > which Sri> > > > > Krsna appeared was just prior to the onset of Kali-yuga. > > > *Jupiter's> > > > > neecha thus is not a reflection on Sri Krsna's dharma, but the > > > fact that his> > > > > incarnation served to protect dharma at time when it was to > > > become very> > > > > compromised.> > > > >> > > > > *The Kali-yuga rasi is Capricorn. Thus if in the Navamsa chart > > > of Sri> > > > > Krsna Jupiter occupies Cp in the 9th house, it not only > > > satisfies part of> > > > > the criteria of Jataka Parijata for an avatara as given above, > > > but> > > > > especially of one who appears prior to the onset of the > > > dangerous age of> > > > > Kali. In Cp, Jupiter symbolizes a diminishing of the Tamasic > > > effects of> > > > > Mars and Saturn who are strong in that sign, and who tend to > > > reign in> > > > > Kali-yuga. Thus in Kali-yuga, or just prior to its occurrence, > > > the avatara> > > > > protects dharma in the sign of Capricorn and in the 9th house, > > > as found in> > > > > the proposed Navamsa chart of Sri Krsna.> > > > >> > > > > As for the Shastiamsa chart of Sri Krsna, I cannot give any > > > commentary, as> > > > > to my knowledge there are no specific directives given in > > > classics for the> > > > > D-60 in charts of avataras.> > > > >> > > > > In summary, my point is that - while it is interesting to > > > correlate events> > > > > to the charts of such avataras - the overriding purpose of > > such > > > study is to> > > > > validate with linear models their superhuman purpose of > > > appearance as per> > > > > classical texts. We can, in other words, never apply verbatim > > > the> > > > > principles given and study them in the identical ways that we > > > would to study> > > > > the charts of ordinary humans. Otherwise, how could child > > > Krsna lift an> > > > > entire mountain (Govardhana giri) with is pinky finger, when > > He > > > had Mars in> > > > > debilitation in his rasi chart?> > > > >> > > > > Thank you for raising some very interesting questions and > > points > > > of view.> > > > > I will be interested in hearing more of your feedback on this > > > subject. I> > > > > will be leaving town on Tuesday for the annual SJC conference > > in > > > California,> > > > > but I can respond to you from my laptop as well.> > > > >> > > > > Best wishes and warm regards,> > > > > Robert> > > > >> > > > > At 03:45 AM 7/26/2006, you wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Om Gurave Namah> > > > >> > > > > Namaste Robert ji,> > > > >> > > > > First of all let me congratulate you on your excellent book. > > It > > > was> > > > > a great pleasure reading it.> > > > >> > > > > However, I do have a small doubt regarding the chart of Sri > > > Krishna.> > > > > In your book it is stated that in His chart, Jupiter is > > > debilitated> > > > > in 9th house, because Sri Krishna avatara was for the purpose > > of> > > > > reinstating dharma. But, in this respect, I feel that the> > > > > debilitation of Sun or Jupiter, in the D-60 chart, would be a > > > more> > > > > logical pointer to the advent of an avatara (in any yuga), > > > because> > > > > these two planets indicate dharma and their fall would be the > > > cause> > > > > for Bhagavan's advent, as the Lord himself said "yada yada hi> > > > > dharmasya glaanirbhavathi Bhaarata". Libra, as the cardinal > > vayu> > > > > tattwa sign and the exaltation sign, is also intimately > > > connected to> > > > > Saturn.> > > > >> > > > > >From my perspective navamsa (as Dharmamsa) is the strength of > > > the> > > > > chart/planets/native, while shashtyamsa (d-60) indicates the > > > karmic> > > > > seed of the present birth. Though all the results we reap in > > the> > > > > present birth are moderated/interpreted by the karma we > > accrued > > > in> > > > > the previous births, I do not think shashtyamsa has the over-> > > riding> > > > > power which navamsa/dharma, alone has.> > > > >> > > > > So, it is sort of inconceivable for me that Sri Krishna's > > navamsa> > > > > can have Sun or Jupiter in debilitation. In the navamsa chart > > > given> > > > > by Sri Raman, Jupiter is in Sagittarius (7th house) in navamsa,> > > > > while Sun is equally strong in 4th house…and I personally > > think> > > > > that's a more appropriate position….with minor modifications.> > > > >> > > > > In Sri Rama's navamsa, I think neither Jupiter nor Sun is> > > > > debilitated. Same is the case with Chaitanya Mahaprabhu's > > > chart. In> > > > > Chaitanya Mahaprabhu's chart Sun is debilitated in D-60, as in > > > Swami> > > > > Vivekananda's chart. It may not be the case with the charts of> > > > > avadhutas.> > > > >> > > > > Requesting your inputs on the above.> > > > >> > > > > Regards,> > > > > Lakshmi> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > ! om tat sat !> > > > > Footnotes:> > > > > 1. Let us share our thoughts and knowledge like the Sun God > > > Surya shares> > > > > his light with the entire planet, without bias and without > > > emotions. Let us> > > > > rise in praise to that supreme significator of the soul of all > > > creatures.> > > > > 2. You don't have to reply if you feel that there is a waste > > of > > > energy.> > > > > Use the energy given by Surya well.> > > > > 3. This mail is just another view, and who else other than > > Surya > > > Himself> > > > > knows the perfect truth. So say - om tat sat.> > > > > 4. The contents above are the views of one individual and do > > not > > > represent> > > > > the groups views nor that of the group owner.> > > > >

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OM SHRI RAGHAVENDRAAYA NAMAH OM NAMO NARAYANAYA Dear Sourav, Here is Shri R.G.Rao's address : Shri R.G.Rao, Research Institute of Nadi Astrology, 2nd cross, Katriguppa Main Road, ( Near Vidyapeeta ), Bangalore - 560085. Tel. : +91-80-6696834 I hope this helps you. With Shri Hari Vaayu Guru Naama Smarana, Ramadas Rao. Sourav <souravc108 wrote: || Hare Rama Krsna || Dear Ramadas Rao-ji, Pranam. Thank you for the advise. With permission of my Guru-ji, I would like to contact Sri R. G. Rao for permission and knowledge. Being in US at present it is not possible to be in Bangalore. But I will try to

visit him if circumstances permit in near future. Would you kindly let me know Sri Rao's address and introduce me. I would write to my Guru-ji to see if I am prepared enough for further knowledge in Nadi techniques. I am grateful to you for all your suggestions and help. Best wishes, Sourav ================================================================sohamsa , Ramadas Rao <ramadasrao wrote>> OM SHRI RAGHAVENDRAAYA NAMAH> OM NAMO NARAYANAYA> Dear Sourav,> There a lot of Nadi books written by my Nadi Guru Shri R.G.Rao from Bangalore.He searched many palm leaves written in Sanskrit and Tamil and made deep research into the Nadi Leaves and then he wrote the books.But the books are available with him only and he wants the students who are interested to learn Nadi Astrology has to become his students,then only he will

give those books to them.So for this you have to come to Bangalore.if you are ready for this, I will give his address.> With Shri Hari Vaayu Guru Naama Smarana,> Ramadas Rao.> > > Sourav souravc108 wrote:> || Hare Rama Krsna ||> Dear Sri Ramadas-ji,> Pranam. Sorry to digress, but you fluidly use Nadi techniques. Can you kindly educate me about some books which I can follow to learn techniques ? I do not know how to read South Indian languages.> Best wishes,> Sourav> =================================================================> sohamsa , Ramadas Rao ramadasrao@ wrote:> >> > OM SHRI RAGHAVENDRAAYA NAMAH> > OM NAMO NARAYANAYA> > Dear Lakshmi Ji,> > I agree with your point about Guru and Shani be connected with each other.So when the actual horoscope is made,I strongly feel

that either Guru is in Uttarabadhra Nakshtra ruled by Shani or Shani is in Poorvabadhra Pada Nakshatra ruled by Guru.> > In my explanation,I forgotten to write something more.kuja is the Karaka for brother and as he is exalted and is in trine with exalted Budha nad this Budha is being aspected by Rahu who is in Tula .This indicates that HIS brother who is very strong and courageous holding Halayudha represented by exalted Kuja in Makara Rashi and is an Avatara of Shesha Naaga which is represented by Rahu aspecting exalted Budha.( Bala Rama )> > Nadi secrets are difficult to interpret but I am trying to read such difficult charts.I also have the chart of Markandeya which is given in Nadi book.I will interpret that chart whenever I am free.> > With Shri Hari Vaayu Guru Naama Smarana,> > Ramadas Rao.> > > > B Lakshmi Ramesh b_lakshmi_ramesh@ wrote:> > Om Gurave namah> > > > Namaste

Ramdas Raoji,> > > > Brilliant explanation. Thanks for taking the discussion forward. > > This thread is greatly strengthened by the participation of > > stalwarts like Sanjay ji, Goel ji, yourself and Prabhakara, and I am > > learning all the time:--)) > > > > I would have very much liked to do the timing of the data given by > > you, but in my system, jhora is hanging whenever I give a B.C. date. > > I remember Vishnu Jandhyala once told me that if I install the full > > version of jhora, this problem would be overcome and he had sent me > > the version too. It is my mistake that I had not done so > > immediately, because now I can't trace that CD among the hundreds of > > CDs in the house…all seeming to contain FIFAs and NHLs:--(( But I > > guess I need not worry, because our other friends would have, by > > now, isolated

the probable dates.> > > > The configuration given by you puts 7 planets in own/exaltation > > signs in Sri Krishna's Chart. That's indeed the chart of a maha > > purusha. But I do have one doubt. Such a formidable array of planets > > would have conferred a great kingdom on him, but I think He chose to > > remain a prince, while Balarama became the king. Perhaps this > > secondary role, in the material sense, is attributable to the fact > > that He is the lunar incarnation. I also feel that there should be > > a connection between Saturn & Jupiter in his chart. I mean, > > Bhagavadgita is Brahmavidya, an unparalleled exposition of > > philosophical wisdom, and that would necessitate the influence of > > both planets on His mind and intellect. He's also the Yogeeshwara, > > the ultimate Parivrajaka, so Saturn must influence his 4th >

> house/lord as well. This is so in the case of both Sri Rama, Buddha > > and Krishna Chaitanya. What do you feel?> > > > Regards,> > Lakshmi> > > > sohamsa , Ramadas Rao ramadasrao@ wrote:> > >> > > OM SHRI RAGHAVENDRAAYA NAMAH> > > OM NAMO NARAYANAYA> > > Dear Sanjay P and Lakshmi Ji,> > > May be 2-3 years before in VA list I provided Shri Krishna's > > horoscope which is written in Sanskrit which will be chanted by the > > Swami Ji who performs Pooja on Shri Krishna Ashtami day in Udipi.The > > Horoscope chanting is special on the birth day of Shri Krishna.Here > > again I provide the same Sanskrit Shlokas and one of you or anybody > > who is expert in calculating to present B.C. years can decode it.:> > > SWASTI SHRI MADBHAGAVATO MAHAPURUSHASYA

PRAVARTAMAANASYA > > BRAHMANAH DWITEEYA PRARAARDHE SHWETAVARAAHA KALPE > > VAIVASVATAMANVANTARE ASHTAAVIMSHATITAME MAHAAYUGAANTARGATA > > DVAAPARAYUGASYA 8,63,900 NAVA SHATTYUTTARA TRISHASHTI > > SAHASRAADHIKAASHTALAKSHAANI,SHESHADWAAPARA YUGA VARSHAANI 100 > > EKASHATAANI TADAA PRAVARTAMAANE VIRODHI NAAMA SAMVATASARA > > DAKSHINAAYANE VARSHA RUTAOU SHRAAVANA MAASE KRISHNA PAKSHE ASHTAMI > > TITHAOU,BUDHAVAASARE 50.44,ROHINI 52.51,VAJRA YOGA 53.20,BAVA KARANA > > 27 ; EVAM PANCHAANGA SHUDDHESMIN DINE SHRI MAARTHAANDA > > MANDALAARDHODAYAAT GATAGHATIKAA :455 ,VRISHABHA LAGNODAYE PUNYODAYA > > VELAAYAAM JAMBUDVIPE BHARATAKHANDE YAMUNAATIRE SHRI > > MANMATHURAANAGARA SHRI SOMAVAMSHOTPANNA SHURASENA RAAJAATMAJA SHRI > > VASUDEVARAAJA VIRAAJAMAANSTASYA GRUHE,YAA SAUBHAAGYAADYAKHILAGUNA > > SAMPANNAA DEVAKI TASYAAH UDARE

KAARAAGRUHE ASHTAMA PUTRASYA SHRI > > KRISHNASYA JANMAABHOOT.> > > The chart is also given.Lagna is Vrishabha with Chandra,Surya in > > Simha Rashi,Budha in Kanya,Shukra and Rahu in Tula,Kuja in > > Makara,Shani in Kumbha, Guru in Meena and Ketu in Mesha rashi.> > > As per this,then we have 3 different charts.I am also searching > > for the accurate birth chart of Shri Krishna.Now if anybody can > > decode the above Sanskrit wordings and match with the chart > > mentioned above, then I feel that the chart is correct.> > > Just a few points. As per Nadi Technics, Guru is the native as > > he is Jeeva Karaka and so here Guru in Meena Rashi indicates Lord > > Shri Mannarayanaya and Budha Uccha in Bhootattwa in opposition to > > Guru indicates the birth in this earth as a Avatara Purusha.Ketu in > > Mesha aspecting its previous house as he

is retrograding indicates > > HE is a Yoga Purusha.Guru is hemmed between 2 malefics Ketu and > > Shani indicating HIS birth was in Bandhana.Shani in 12th to Guru > > indicates HE insisted Karma Yoga.Guru is in North direction whereas > > Chandra is in South direction, so HE is very handsome in look.Also > > Kuja and Guru are in opposite directions, so HE has got immense > > powers.Kuja can give miraculous powers in this position.Guru in > > connection with Chandra, Budha and Kuja made HIM a Pavaada > > Purusha.Patni Karaka Shukra is in Moola Trikona Sthana with Maya > > Karaka Rahu indicates HE has a lot of wives and all these wives are > > following Bhakti Marga only and so HE married them.This is because of> > > Shani in Moola Trikona is in trine to Shukra and Rahu.Karma > > Karaka Shani in 12th to Jeeva Karaka Guru indicates HE is a great >

> Philosopher also who gave this world the great Karma Yoga and Bhakti > > Yoga.There are still many Nadi secrets which I am still studying > > only to uncover such secrets.> > > In the above analysis, Janma Lagna is not taken into > > consideration and everything is considered from Guru only.> > > With Shri Hari Vaayu Guru Naama Smarana,> > > Ramadas Rao.> > > > > > Sanjay Prabhakaran sanjaychettiar@ wrote:> > > || Om Gurave Namah ||> > > > > > Dear Lakshmi,> > > > > > Kaalaprakaashika does not give the Navamsha, It just gives the > > Panchanga and Rashi positions. Since it's a book on Muhurtha mostly > > it focused more on Panchanga. But this is the only classics where I > > could find description of Lord Krishna's chart. > > > > > > I would be interested

to know if somebody else found more > > details. I think Bhavatam does not give Planetary positions, Mostly > > the Lagna, Month and Nakshatra at birth is given. > > > > > > > > > Warm Regards> > > Sanjay P> > > > > > > > > > > > On 7/31/06, B Lakshmi Ramesh b_lakshmi_ramesh@ > > > wrote: Om Gurave Namah> > > > > > Namaste Prabhakara,> > > > > > The chart given by you looks interesting. What's the birth data?> > > Is the navamsa chart available?> > > > > > Regards,> > > Lakshmi> > > > > > sohamsa , "Sanjay Prabhakaran" > > > > > > > > > <sanjaychettiar@> wrote:> > > >> > > > || Om Gurave Namah ||> >

> > Dear Robertji and Jyotishas,> > > > I also read another chart for Lord Krishna in Shree Jayanti > > > Chapter of> > > > KaalaPrakshika of Narasimhan acharya. The details of the chart > > are > > > in the> > > > following link, Please give your opinion on this one too,> > > > > > > > http://sanjayprabhakaran.blogspot.com/2005/11/shree-jayanti.html> > > > > > > > Panchanga at Birth is> > > > Nakshatra: Rohini 4th Pada> > > > Karana: Kaulava> > > > Yoga: Harshana> > > > Tithi: Krishna Ashtami (K8)> > > > Vaara : Wednesday> > > > > > > > Taurus Lagna.> > > > > > > > Warm Regards> > > > Sanjay P> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > On 7/30/06, Robert Koch <rk@> wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Om Vishnave Namah> > > > >> > > > > The following is the birth data for Sri Krsna that I used in > > my > > > book *The> > > > > Spiritual Dimensions of Vedic Astrology *(I neglected to add > > it > > > at the end> > > > > of my last post):> > > > >> > > > > Sri Krsna> > > > > Natal Chart June 23, -3227 Time: > > > 23:42:35 Time> > > > > Zone: 5:10:00 (East of GMT) Place: 77 E 41' 00", 27 > > > N 25' 00"> > > > > Ayanamsa: 48-17-59.39> > > > >> > > > > The lagna should be 14Ta07.> > > > >> > > > > Best

wishes,> > > > > Robert> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > At 12:48 PM 7/30/2006, you wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Om Vishnave Namah> > > > >> > > > > Dear Lakshmi,> > > > >> > > > > Namaste ~> > > > >> > > > > I had been away from the Sohamsa list for a few days, and thus > > > the delay> > > > > in responding to you. Thank you for your email and your kind > > > words> > > > > regarding my book. It was my original desire that Jyotish > > > scholars such as> > > > > yourself would read and enjoy this book, and so your positive > > > feedback is> > > > > most encouraging.> > > > >>

> > > > You've raised a very interesting question regarding the chart > > of > > > Lord Sri> > > > > Krsna as discussed in my book, and so let me respond to you as > > > follows:> > > > > First, I would say that the horoscopes of Avataras are most or > > > less symbolic> > > > > of much broader issues than the charts of ordinary humans are, > > > although> > > > > recorded events associated with Their Lilas are documented and > > > can also be> > > > > correlated to astrological principles in certain ways. But for > > > the most> > > > > part, typical yogas, vargas, planetary positions and > > strengths, > > > and other> > > > > principles we use to study the charts of humans cannot, for > > > example, tell

us> > > > > how Sri Krsna had 16,108 wives, or that he showed His mother > > the > > > entire> > > > > universe or Virata-rupa within his mouth! That being said, the > > > study of> > > > > charts of avataras is a fascinating study when we bear in mind > > > (1) the> > > > > transcendental nature of such personalities as described in > > Vedic> > > > > scriptures; and (2) we make such as study making use of > > > guidelines given in> > > > > classical texts such as Jataka Parijata, Prashna Marga, BPHS, > > > etc.> > > > >> > > > > Now, in my book I referred to Jataka Parijata 4.97 in which > > some> > > > > astrological criteria for the charts of avataras was given. In > > > that text,> >

> > > it is suggested that the Sun, Jupiter, and Mars should be in > > the > > > 9th house> > > > > from lagna or that they should aspect it; that the Navamsa > > they > > > occupy is> > > > > owned by the 9th house and also by Saturn (Cp and Aq) and that > > > they be in> > > > > vargottamamsa; and further, that the Moon, in strength, should > > > occupy the> > > > > lagna. Expansions on these points were given on page 363 of my > > > book, and my> > > > > conclusions were also made in consultation with Pt. Sanjay > > Rath.> > > > >> > > > > The gist of Sri Krsna's chart is as follows [the data for the > > > chart I use> > > > > is given at the end of this email, for those who would like to > >

> follow along> > > > > with this discuss. I recommend calculating this chart only > > with > > > the JHora> > > > > software, as other software will given different and erroneous > > > results]: In> > > > > the rasi chart, The Sun, Mars, and Jupiter all aspect the 9th > > > house, which> > > > > is the sign Capricorn, while the exalted Moon occupies the > > > lagna; in> > > > > Navamsa, the vargottama Moon occupies the lagna, while Jupiter > > > occupies the> > > > > 9th house. Mars aspects the 9th house, while the Sun reaches > > > the 9th house> > > > > by way of Mercury's dispositorship. Now, why should the > > avatara > > > of Sri> > > > > Krsna - and incarnation of Vishnu - have Jupiter debilitated

> > in > > > the 9th> > > > > house of the Dharmamsa chart? It is because the purpose of > > such > > > avataras is> > > > > to reinstate Dharma first of all; that such avataras appear > > > toward the end> > > > > of a yuga; and further that (according to shastras) the time > > at > > > which Sri> > > > > Krsna appeared was just prior to the onset of Kali-yuga. > > > *Jupiter's> > > > > neecha thus is not a reflection on Sri Krsna's dharma, but the > > > fact that his> > > > > incarnation served to protect dharma at time when it was to > > > become very> > > > > compromised.> > > > >> > > > > *The Kali-yuga rasi is Capricorn. Thus if in the Navamsa chart > > > of

Sri> > > > > Krsna Jupiter occupies Cp in the 9th house, it not only > > > satisfies part of> > > > > the criteria of Jataka Parijata for an avatara as given above, > > > but> > > > > especially of one who appears prior to the onset of the > > > dangerous age of> > > > > Kali. In Cp, Jupiter symbolizes a diminishing of the Tamasic > > > effects of> > > > > Mars and Saturn who are strong in that sign, and who tend to > > > reign in> > > > > Kali-yuga. Thus in Kali-yuga, or just prior to its occurrence, > > > the avatara> > > > > protects dharma in the sign of Capricorn and in the 9th house, > > > as found in> > > > > the proposed Navamsa chart of Sri Krsna.> > > > >> > > > > As for the Shastiamsa

chart of Sri Krsna, I cannot give any > > > commentary, as> > > > > to my knowledge there are no specific directives given in > > > classics for the> > > > > D-60 in charts of avataras.> > > > >> > > > > In summary, my point is that - while it is interesting to > > > correlate events> > > > > to the charts of such avataras - the overriding purpose of > > such > > > study is to> > > > > validate with linear models their superhuman purpose of > > > appearance as per> > > > > classical texts. We can, in other words, never apply verbatim > > > the> > > > > principles given and study them in the identical ways that we > > > would to study> > > > > the charts of ordinary humans. Otherwise, how could child

> > > Krsna lift an> > > > > entire mountain (Govardhana giri) with is pinky finger, when > > He > > > had Mars in> > > > > debilitation in his rasi chart?> > > > >> > > > > Thank you for raising some very interesting questions and > > points > > > of view.> > > > > I will be interested in hearing more of your feedback on this > > > subject. I> > > > > will be leaving town on Tuesday for the annual SJC conference > > in > > > California,> > > > > but I can respond to you from my laptop as well.> > > > >> > > > > Best wishes and warm regards,> > > > > Robert> > > > >> > > > > At 03:45 AM 7/26/2006, you wrote:> > > > >> > >

> > Om Gurave Namah> > > > >> > > > > Namaste Robert ji,> > > > >> > > > > First of all let me congratulate you on your excellent book. > > It > > > was> > > > > a great pleasure reading it.> > > > >> > > > > However, I do have a small doubt regarding the chart of Sri > > > Krishna.> > > > > In your book it is stated that in His chart, Jupiter is > > > debilitated> > > > > in 9th house, because Sri Krishna avatara was for the purpose > > of> > > > > reinstating dharma. But, in this respect, I feel that the> > > > > debilitation of Sun or Jupiter, in the D-60 chart, would be a > > > more> > > > > logical pointer to the advent of an avatara (in any yuga), > > >

because> > > > > these two planets indicate dharma and their fall would be the > > > cause> > > > > for Bhagavan's advent, as the Lord himself said "yada yada hi> > > > > dharmasya glaanirbhavathi Bhaarata". Libra, as the cardinal > > vayu> > > > > tattwa sign and the exaltation sign, is also intimately > > > connected to> > > > > Saturn.> > > > >> > > > > >From my perspective navamsa (as Dharmamsa) is the strength of > > > the> > > > > chart/planets/native, while shashtyamsa (d-60) indicates the > > > karmic> > > > > seed of the present birth. Though all the results we reap in > > the> > > > > present birth are moderated/interpreted by the karma we > > accrued > > > in>

> > > > the previous births, I do not think shashtyamsa has the over-> > > riding> > > > > power which navamsa/dharma, alone has.> > > > >> > > > > So, it is sort of inconceivable for me that Sri Krishna's > > navamsa> > > > > can have Sun or Jupiter in debilitation. In the navamsa chart > > > given> > > > > by Sri Raman, Jupiter is in Sagittarius (7th house) in navamsa,> > > > > while Sun is equally strong in 4th house…and I personally > > think> > > > > that's a more appropriate position….with minor modifications.> > > > >> > > > > In Sri Rama's navamsa, I think neither Jupiter nor Sun is> > > > > debilitated. Same is the case with Chaitanya Mahaprabhu's > > > chart. In> > > > > Chaitanya

Mahaprabhu's chart Sun is debilitated in D-60, as in > > > Swami> > > > > Vivekananda's chart. It may not be the case with the charts of> > > > > avadhutas.> > > > >> > > > > Requesting your inputs on the above.> > > > >> > > > > Regards,> > > > > Lakshmi> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > ! om tat sat !> > > > > Footnotes:> > > > > 1. Let us share our thoughts and knowledge like the Sun God > > > Surya shares> > > > > his light with the entire planet, without bias and

without > > > emotions. Let us> > > > > rise in praise to that supreme significator of the soul of all > > > creatures.> > > > > 2. You don't have to reply if you feel that there is a waste > > of > > > energy.> > > > > Use the energy given by Surya well.> > > > > 3. This mail is just another view, and who else other than > > Surya > > > Himself> > > > > knows the perfect truth. So say - om tat sat.> > > > > 4. The contents above are the views of one individual and do > > not > > > represent> > > > > the groups views nor that of the group owner.> > > > >

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|| Hare Rama Krsna ||

Dear Sri Ramadas-ji,

Pranam. Thank you for the information and your blessings. I will definitely write to my Guru-ji and then to Sri Rao.

Best wishes,

Sourav

================================================================sohamsa , Ramadas Rao <ramadasrao wrote:>> OM SHRI RAGHAVENDRAAYA NAMAH> OM NAMO NARAYANAYA> Dear Sourav,> Here is Shri R.G.Rao's address :> Shri R.G.Rao,> Research Institute of Nadi Astrology,> 2nd cross, Katriguppa Main Road,> ( Near Vidyapeeta ),> Bangalore - 560085.> Tel. : +91-80-6696834> I hope this helps you.> With Shri Hari Vaayu Guru Naama Smarana,> Ramadas Rao.> > > Sourav souravc108 wrote:> || Hare Rama Krsna ||> Dear Ramadas Rao-ji,> Pranam. Thank you for the advise. With permission of my Guru-ji, I would like to contact Sri R. G. Rao for permission and knowledge. Being in US at present it is not possible to be in Bangalore. But I will try to visit him if circumstances permit in near future. Would you kindly let me know Sri Rao's address and introduce me. I would write to my Guru-ji to see if I am prepared enough for further knowledge in Nadi techniques.> I am grateful to you for all your suggestions and help.> Best wishes,> Sourav> ================================================================> sohamsa , Ramadas Rao ramadasrao@ wrote> >> > OM SHRI RAGHAVENDRAAYA NAMAH> > OM NAMO NARAYANAYA> > Dear Sourav,> > There a lot of Nadi books written by my Nadi Guru Shri R.G.Rao from Bangalore.He searched many palm leaves written in Sanskrit and Tamil and made deep research into the Nadi Leaves and then he wrote the books.But the books are available with him only and he wants the students who are interested to learn Nadi Astrology has to become his students,then only he will give those books to them.So for this you have to come to Bangalore.if you are ready for this, I will give his address.> > With Shri Hari Vaayu Guru Naama Smarana,> > Ramadas Rao.> > > > > > Sourav souravc108@ wrote:> > || Hare Rama Krsna ||> > Dear Sri Ramadas-ji,> > Pranam. Sorry to digress, but you fluidly use Nadi techniques. Can you kindly educate me about some books which I can follow to learn techniques ? I do not know how to read South Indian languages.> > Best wishes,> > Sourav> > =================================================================> > sohamsa , Ramadas Rao ramadasrao@ wrote:> > >> > > OM SHRI RAGHAVENDRAAYA NAMAH> > > OM NAMO NARAYANAYA> > > Dear Lakshmi Ji,> > > I agree with your point about Guru and Shani be connected with each other.So when the actual horoscope is made,I strongly feel that either Guru is in Uttarabadhra Nakshtra ruled by Shani or Shani is in Poorvabadhra Pada Nakshatra ruled by Guru.> > > In my explanation,I forgotten to write something more.kuja is the Karaka for brother and as he is exalted and is in trine with exalted Budha nad this Budha is being aspected by Rahu who is in Tula .This indicates that HIS brother who is very strong and courageous holding Halayudha represented by exalted Kuja in Makara Rashi and is an Avatara of Shesha Naaga which is represented by Rahu aspecting exalted Budha.( Bala Rama )> > > Nadi secrets are difficult to interpret but I am trying to read such difficult charts.I also have the chart of Markandeya which is given in Nadi book.I will interpret that chart whenever I am free.> > > With Shri Hari Vaayu Guru Naama Smarana,> > > Ramadas Rao.> > > > > > B Lakshmi Ramesh b_lakshmi_ramesh@ wrote:> > > Om Gurave namah> > > > > > Namaste Ramdas Raoji,> > > > > > Brilliant explanation. Thanks for taking the discussion forward. > > > This thread is greatly strengthened by the participation of > > > stalwarts like Sanjay ji, Goel ji, yourself and Prabhakara, and I am > > > learning all the time:--)) > > > > > > I would have very much liked to do the timing of the data given by > > > you, but in my system, jhora is hanging whenever I give a B.C. date. > > > I remember Vishnu Jandhyala once told me that if I install the full > > > version of jhora, this problem would be overcome and he had sent me > > > the version too. It is my mistake that I had not done so > > > immediately, because now I can't trace that CD among the hundreds of > > > CDs in the house…all seeming to contain FIFAs and NHLs:--(( But I > > > guess I need not worry, because our other friends would have, by > > > now, isolated the probable dates.> > > > > > The configuration given by you puts 7 planets in own/exaltation > > > signs in Sri Krishna's Chart. That's indeed the chart of a maha > > > purusha. But I do have one doubt. Such a formidable array of planets > > > would have conferred a great kingdom on him, but I think He chose to > > > remain a prince, while Balarama became the king. Perhaps this > > > secondary role, in the material sense, is attributable to the fact > > > that He is the lunar incarnation. I also feel that there should be > > > a connection between Saturn & Jupiter in his chart. I mean, > > > Bhagavadgita is Brahmavidya, an unparalleled exposition of > > > philosophical wisdom, and that would necessitate the influence of > > > both planets on His mind and intellect. He's also the Yogeeshwara, > > > the ultimate Parivrajaka, so Saturn must influence his 4th > > > house/lord as well. This is so in the case of both Sri Rama, Buddha > > > and Krishna Chaitanya. What do you feel?> > > > > > Regards,> > > Lakshmi> > > > > > sohamsa , Ramadas Rao ramadasrao@ wrote:> > > >> > > > OM SHRI RAGHAVENDRAAYA NAMAH> > > > OM NAMO NARAYANAYA> > > > Dear Sanjay P and Lakshmi Ji,> > > > May be 2-3 years before in VA list I provided Shri Krishna's > > > horoscope which is written in Sanskrit which will be chanted by the > > > Swami Ji who performs Pooja on Shri Krishna Ashtami day in Udipi.The > > > Horoscope chanting is special on the birth day of Shri Krishna.Here > > > again I provide the same Sanskrit Shlokas and one of you or anybody > > > who is expert in calculating to present B.C. years can decode it.:> > > > SWASTI SHRI MADBHAGAVATO MAHAPURUSHASYA PRAVARTAMAANASYA > > > BRAHMANAH DWITEEYA PRARAARDHE SHWETAVARAAHA KALPE > > > VAIVASVATAMANVANTARE ASHTAAVIMSHATITAME MAHAAYUGAANTARGATA > > > DVAAPARAYUGASYA 8,63,900 NAVA SHATTYUTTARA TRISHASHTI > > > SAHASRAADHIKAASHTALAKSHAANI,SHESHADWAAPARA YUGA VARSHAANI 100 > > > EKASHATAANI TADAA PRAVARTAMAANE VIRODHI NAAMA SAMVATASARA > > > DAKSHINAAYANE VARSHA RUTAOU SHRAAVANA MAASE KRISHNA PAKSHE ASHTAMI > > > TITHAOU,BUDHAVAASARE 50.44,ROHINI 52.51,VAJRA YOGA 53.20,BAVA KARANA > > > 27 ; EVAM PANCHAANGA SHUDDHESMIN DINE SHRI MAARTHAANDA > > > MANDALAARDHODAYAAT GATAGHATIKAA :455 ,VRISHABHA LAGNODAYE PUNYODAYA > > > VELAAYAAM JAMBUDVIPE BHARATAKHANDE YAMUNAATIRE SHRI > > > MANMATHURAANAGARA SHRI SOMAVAMSHOTPANNA SHURASENA RAAJAATMAJA SHRI > > > VASUDEVARAAJA VIRAAJAMAANSTASYA GRUHE,YAA SAUBHAAGYAADYAKHILAGUNA > > > SAMPANNAA DEVAKI TASYAAH UDARE KAARAAGRUHE ASHTAMA PUTRASYA SHRI > > > KRISHNASYA JANMAABHOOT.> > > > The chart is also given.Lagna is Vrishabha with Chandra,Surya in > > > Simha Rashi,Budha in Kanya,Shukra and Rahu in Tula,Kuja in > > > Makara,Shani in Kumbha, Guru in Meena and Ketu in Mesha rashi.> > > > As per this,then we have 3 different charts.I am also searching > > > for the accurate birth chart of Shri Krishna.Now if anybody can > > > decode the above Sanskrit wordings and match with the chart > > > mentioned above, then I feel that the chart is correct.> > > > Just a few points. As per Nadi Technics, Guru is the native as > > > he is Jeeva Karaka and so here Guru in Meena Rashi indicates Lord > > > Shri Mannarayanaya and Budha Uccha in Bhootattwa in opposition to > > > Guru indicates the birth in this earth as a Avatara Purusha.Ketu in > > > Mesha aspecting its previous house as he is retrograding indicates > > > HE is a Yoga Purusha.Guru is hemmed between 2 malefics Ketu and > > > Shani indicating HIS birth was in Bandhana.Shani in 12th to Guru > > > indicates HE insisted Karma Yoga.Guru is in North direction whereas > > > Chandra is in South direction, so HE is very handsome in look.Also > > > Kuja and Guru are in opposite directions, so HE has got immense > > > powers.Kuja can give miraculous powers in this position.Guru in > > > connection with Chandra, Budha and Kuja made HIM a Pavaada > > > Purusha.Patni Karaka Shukra is in Moola Trikona Sthana with Maya > > > Karaka Rahu indicates HE has a lot of wives and all these wives are > > > following Bhakti Marga only and so HE married them.This is because of> > > > Shani in Moola Trikona is in trine to Shukra and Rahu.Karma > > > Karaka Shani in 12th to Jeeva Karaka Guru indicates HE is a great > > > Philosopher also who gave this world the great Karma Yoga and Bhakti > > > Yoga.There are still many Nadi secrets which I am still studying > > > only to uncover such secrets.> > > > In the above analysis, Janma Lagna is not taken into > > > consideration and everything is considered from Guru only.> > > > With Shri Hari Vaayu Guru Naama Smarana,> > > > Ramadas Rao.> > > > > > > > Sanjay Prabhakaran sanjaychettiar@ wrote:> > > > || Om Gurave Namah ||> > > > > > > > Dear Lakshmi,> > > > > > > > Kaalaprakaashika does not give the Navamsha, It just gives the > > > Panchanga and Rashi positions. Since it's a book on Muhurtha mostly > > > it focused more on Panchanga. But this is the only classics where I > > > could find description of Lord Krishna's chart. > > > > > > > > I would be interested to know if somebody else found more > > > details. I think Bhavatam does not give Planetary positions, Mostly > > > the Lagna, Month and Nakshatra at birth is given. > > > > > > > > > > > > Warm Regards> > > > Sanjay P> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 7/31/06, B Lakshmi Ramesh b_lakshmi_ramesh@ > > > > wrote: Om Gurave Namah> > > > > > > > Namaste Prabhakara,> > > > > > > > The chart given by you looks interesting. What's the birth data?> > > > Is the navamsa chart available?> > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > Lakshmi> > > > > > > > sohamsa , "Sanjay Prabhakaran" > > > > > > > > > > > > <sanjaychettiar@> wrote:> > > > >> > > > > || Om Gurave Namah ||> > > > > Dear Robertji and Jyotishas,> > > > > I also read another chart for Lord Krishna in Shree Jayanti > > > > Chapter of> > > > > KaalaPrakshika of Narasimhan acharya. The details of the chart > > > are > > > > in the> > > > > following link, Please give your opinion on this one too,> > > > > > > > > > http://sanjayprabhakaran.blogspot.com/2005/11/shree-jayanti.html> > > > > > > > > > Panchanga at Birth is> > > > > Nakshatra: Rohini 4th Pada> > > > > Karana: Kaulava> > > > > Yoga: Harshana> > > > > Tithi: Krishna Ashtami (K8)> > > > > Vaara : Wednesday> > > > > > > > > > Taurus Lagna.> > > > > > > > > > Warm Regards> > > > > Sanjay P> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 7/30/06, Robert Koch <rk@> wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Om Vishnave Namah> > > > > >> > > > > > The following is the birth data for Sri Krsna that I used in > > > my > > > > book *The> > > > > > Spiritual Dimensions of Vedic Astrology *(I neglected to add > > > it > > > > at the end> > > > > > of my last post):> > > > > >> > > > > > Sri Krsna> > > > > > Natal Chart June 23, -3227 Time: > > > > 23:42:35 Time> > > > > > Zone: 5:10:00 (East of GMT) Place: 77 E 41' 00", 27 > > > > N 25' 00"> > > > > > Ayanamsa: 48-17-59.39> > > > > >> > > > > > The lagna should be 14Ta07.> > > > > >> > > > > > Best wishes,> > > > > > Robert> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > At 12:48 PM 7/30/2006, you wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Om Vishnave Namah> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Lakshmi,> > > > > >> > > > > > Namaste ~> > > > > >> > > > > > I had been away from the Sohamsa list for a few days, and thus > > > > the delay> > > > > > in responding to you. Thank you for your email and your kind > > > > words> > > > > > regarding my book. It was my original desire that Jyotish > > > > scholars such as> > > > > > yourself would read and enjoy this book, and so your positive > > > > feedback is> > > > > > most encouraging.> > > > > >> > > > > > You've raised a very interesting question regarding the chart > > > of > > > > Lord Sri> > > > > > Krsna as discussed in my book, and so let me respond to you as > > > > follows:> > > > > > First, I would say that the horoscopes of Avataras are most or > > > > less symbolic> > > > > > of much broader issues than the charts of ordinary humans are, > > > > although> > > > > > recorded events associated with Their Lilas are documented and > > > > can also be> > > > > > correlated to astrological principles in certain ways. But for > > > > the most> > > > > > part, typical yogas, vargas, planetary positions and > > > strengths, > > > > and other> > > > > > principles we use to study the charts of humans cannot, for > > > > example, tell us> > > > > > how Sri Krsna had 16,108 wives, or that he showed His mother > > > the > > > > entire> > > > > > universe or Virata-rupa within his mouth! That being said, the > > > > study of> > > > > > charts of avataras is a fascinating study when we bear in mind > > > > (1) the> > > > > > transcendental nature of such personalities as described in > > > Vedic> > > > > > scriptures; and (2) we make such as study making use of > > > > guidelines given in> > > > > > classical texts such as Jataka Parijata, Prashna Marga, BPHS, > > > > etc.> > > > > >> > > > > > Now, in my book I referred to Jataka Parijata 4.97 in which > > > some> > > > > > astrological criteria for the charts of avataras was given. In > > > > that text,> > > > > > it is suggested that the Sun, Jupiter, and Mars should be in > > > the > > > > 9th house> > > > > > from lagna or that they should aspect it; that the Navamsa > > > they > > > > occupy is> > > > > > owned by the 9th house and also by Saturn (Cp and Aq) and that > > > > they be in> > > > > > vargottamamsa; and further, that the Moon, in strength, should > > > > occupy the> > > > > > lagna. Expansions on these points were given on page 363 of my > > > > book, and my> > > > > > conclusions were also made in consultation with Pt. Sanjay > > > Rath.> > > > > >> > > > > > The gist of Sri Krsna's chart is as follows [the data for the > > > > chart I use> > > > > > is given at the end of this email, for those who would like to > > > > follow along> > > > > > with this discuss. I recommend calculating this chart only > > > with > > > > the JHora> > > > > > software, as other software will given different and erroneous > > > > results]: In> > > > > > the rasi chart, The Sun, Mars, and Jupiter all aspect the 9th > > > > house, which> > > > > > is the sign Capricorn, while the exalted Moon occupies the > > > > lagna; in> > > > > > Navamsa, the vargottama Moon occupies the lagna, while Jupiter > > > > occupies the> > > > > > 9th house. Mars aspects the 9th house, while the Sun reaches > > > > the 9th house> > > > > > by way of Mercury's dispositorship. Now, why should the > > > avatara > > > > of Sri> > > > > > Krsna - and incarnation of Vishnu - have Jupiter debilitated > > > in > > > > the 9th> > > > > > house of the Dharmamsa chart? It is because the purpose of > > > such > > > > avataras is> > > > > > to reinstate Dharma first of all; that such avataras appear > > > > toward the end> > > > > > of a yuga; and further that (according to shastras) the time > > > at > > > > which Sri> > > > > > Krsna appeared was just prior to the onset of Kali-yuga. > > > > *Jupiter's> > > > > > neecha thus is not a reflection on Sri Krsna's dharma, but the > > > > fact that his> > > > > > incarnation served to protect dharma at time when it was to > > > > become very> > > > > > compromised.> > > > > >> > > > > > *The Kali-yuga rasi is Capricorn. Thus if in the Navamsa chart > > > > of Sri> > > > > > Krsna Jupiter occupies Cp in the 9th house, it not only > > > > satisfies part of> > > > > > the criteria of Jataka Parijata for an avatara as given above, > > > > but> > > > > > especially of one who appears prior to the onset of the > > > > dangerous age of> > > > > > Kali. In Cp, Jupiter symbolizes a diminishing of the Tamasic > > > > effects of> > > > > > Mars and Saturn who are strong in that sign, and who tend to > > > > reign in> > > > > > Kali-yuga. Thus in Kali-yuga, or just prior to its occurrence, > > > > the avatara> > > > > > protects dharma in the sign of Capricorn and in the 9th house, > > > > as found in> > > > > > the proposed Navamsa chart of Sri Krsna.> > > > > >> > > > > > As for the Shastiamsa chart of Sri Krsna, I cannot give any > > > > commentary, as> > > > > > to my knowledge there are no specific directives given in > > > > classics for the> > > > > > D-60 in charts of avataras.> > > > > >> > > > > > In summary, my point is that - while it is interesting to > > > > correlate events> > > > > > to the charts of such avataras - the overriding purpose of > > > such > > > > study is to> > > > > > validate with linear models their superhuman purpose of > > > > appearance as per> > > > > > classical texts. We can, in other words, never apply verbatim > > > > the> > > > > > principles given and study them in the identical ways that we > > > > would to study> > > > > > the charts of ordinary humans. Otherwise, how could child > > > > Krsna lift an> > > > > > entire mountain (Govardhana giri) with is pinky finger, when > > > He > > > > had Mars in> > > > > > debilitation in his rasi chart?> > > > > >> > > > > > Thank you for raising some very interesting questions and > > > points > > > > of view.> > > > > > I will be interested in hearing more of your feedback on this > > > > subject. I> > > > > > will be leaving town on Tuesday for the annual SJC conference > > > in > > > > California,> > > > > > but I can respond to you from my laptop as well.> > > > > >> > > > > > Best wishes and warm regards,> > > > > > Robert> > > > > >> > > > > > At 03:45 AM 7/26/2006, you wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Om Gurave Namah> > > > > >> > > > > > Namaste Robert ji,> > > > > >> > > > > > First of all let me congratulate you on your excellent book. > > > It > > > > was> > > > > > a great pleasure reading it.> > > > > >> > > > > > However, I do have a small doubt regarding the chart of Sri > > > > Krishna.> > > > > > In your book it is stated that in His chart, Jupiter is > > > > debilitated> > > > > > in 9th house, because Sri Krishna avatara was for the purpose > > > of> > > > > > reinstating dharma. But, in this respect, I feel that the> > > > > > debilitation of Sun or Jupiter, in the D-60 chart, would be a > > > > more> > > > > > logical pointer to the advent of an avatara (in any yuga), > > > > because> > > > > > these two planets indicate dharma and their fall would be the > > > > cause> > > > > > for Bhagavan's advent, as the Lord himself said "yada yada hi> > > > > > dharmasya glaanirbhavathi Bhaarata". Libra, as the cardinal > > > vayu> > > > > > tattwa sign and the exaltation sign, is also intimately > > > > connected to> > > > > > Saturn.> > > > > >> > > > > > >From my perspective navamsa (as Dharmamsa) is the strength of > > > > the> > > > > > chart/planets/native, while shashtyamsa (d-60) indicates the > > > > karmic> > > > > > seed of the present birth. Though all the results we reap in > > > the> > > > > > present birth are moderated/interpreted by the karma we > > > accrued > > > > in> > > > > > the previous births, I do not think shashtyamsa has the over-> > > > riding> > > > > > power which navamsa/dharma, alone has.> > > > > >> > > > > > So, it is sort of inconceivable for me that Sri Krishna's > > > navamsa> > > > > > can have Sun or Jupiter in debilitation. In the navamsa chart > > > > given> > > > > > by Sri Raman, Jupiter is in Sagittarius (7th house) in navamsa,> > > > > > while Sun is equally strong in 4th house…and I personally > > > think> > > > > > that's a more appropriate position….with minor modifications.> > > > > >> > > > > > In Sri Rama's navamsa, I think neither Jupiter nor Sun is> > > > > > debilitated. Same is the case with Chaitanya Mahaprabhu's > > > > chart. In> > > > > > Chaitanya Mahaprabhu's chart Sun is debilitated in D-60, as in > > > > Swami> > > > > > Vivekananda's chart. It may not be the case with the charts of> > > > > > avadhutas.> > > > > >> > > > > > Requesting your inputs on the above.> > > > > >> > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > Lakshmi> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > ! om tat sat !> > > > > > Footnotes:> > > > > > 1. Let us share our thoughts and knowledge like the Sun God > > > > Surya shares> > > > > > his light with the entire planet, without bias and without > > > > emotions. Let us> > > > > > rise in praise to that supreme significator of the soul of all > > > > creatures.> > > > > > 2. You don't have to reply if you feel that there is a waste > > > of > > > > energy.> > > > > > Use the energy given by Surya well.> > > > > > 3. This mail is just another view, and who else other than > > > Surya > > > > Himself> > > > > > knows the perfect truth. So say - om tat sat.> > > > > > 4. The contents above are the views of one individual and do > > > not > > > > represent> > > > > > the groups views nor that of the group owner.> > > > > >

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OM SHRI RAGHAVENDRAAYA NAMAH OM NAMO NARAYANAYA Dear Sourav, You are most welcome. With Shri Hari Vaayu Guru Naama Smarana, Ramadas Rao.Sourav <souravc108 wrote: || Hare Rama Krsna || Dear Sri

Ramadas-ji, Pranam. Thank you for the information and your blessings. I will definitely write to my Guru-ji and then to Sri Rao. Best wishes, Sourav ================================================================sohamsa , Ramadas Rao <ramadasrao wrote:>> OM SHRI RAGHAVENDRAAYA NAMAH> OM NAMO NARAYANAYA> Dear Sourav,> Here is Shri R.G.Rao's address :> Shri R.G.Rao,> Research Institute of Nadi Astrology,> 2nd cross, Katriguppa Main Road,> ( Near Vidyapeeta ),> Bangalore - 560085.> Tel. : +91-80-6696834> I hope

this helps you.> With Shri Hari Vaayu Guru Naama Smarana,> Ramadas Rao.> > > Sourav souravc108 wrote:> || Hare Rama Krsna ||> Dear Ramadas Rao-ji,> Pranam. Thank you for the advise. With permission of my Guru-ji, I would like to contact Sri R. G. Rao for permission and knowledge. Being in US at present it is not possible to be in Bangalore. But I will try to visit him if circumstances permit in near future. Would you kindly let me know Sri Rao's address and introduce me. I would write to my Guru-ji to see if I am prepared enough for further knowledge in Nadi techniques.> I am grateful to you for all your suggestions and help.> Best wishes,> Sourav> ================================================================> sohamsa , Ramadas Rao ramadasrao@ wrote> >> > OM SHRI RAGHAVENDRAAYA NAMAH> >

OM NAMO NARAYANAYA> > Dear Sourav,> > There a lot of Nadi books written by my Nadi Guru Shri R.G.Rao from Bangalore.He searched many palm leaves written in Sanskrit and Tamil and made deep research into the Nadi Leaves and then he wrote the books.But the books are available with him only and he wants the students who are interested to learn Nadi Astrology has to become his students,then only he will give those books to them.So for this you have to come to Bangalore.if you are ready for this, I will give his address.> > With Shri Hari Vaayu Guru Naama Smarana,> > Ramadas Rao.> > > > > > Sourav souravc108@ wrote:> > || Hare Rama Krsna ||> > Dear Sri Ramadas-ji,> > Pranam. Sorry to digress, but you fluidly use Nadi techniques. Can you kindly educate me about some books which I can follow to learn techniques ? I do not know how to read South Indian languages.> > Best

wishes,> > Sourav> > =================================================================> > sohamsa , Ramadas Rao ramadasrao@ wrote:> > >> > > OM SHRI RAGHAVENDRAAYA NAMAH> > > OM NAMO NARAYANAYA> > > Dear Lakshmi Ji,> > > I agree with your point about Guru and Shani be connected with each other.So when the actual horoscope is made,I strongly feel that either Guru is in Uttarabadhra Nakshtra ruled by Shani or Shani is in Poorvabadhra Pada Nakshatra ruled by Guru.> > > In my explanation,I forgotten to write something more.kuja is the Karaka for brother and as he is exalted and is in trine with exalted Budha nad this Budha is being aspected by Rahu who is in Tula .This indicates that HIS brother who is very strong and courageous holding Halayudha represented by exalted Kuja in Makara Rashi and is an Avatara of

Shesha Naaga which is represented by Rahu aspecting exalted Budha.( Bala Rama )> > > Nadi secrets are difficult to interpret but I am trying to read such difficult charts.I also have the chart of Markandeya which is given in Nadi book.I will interpret that chart whenever I am free.> > > With Shri Hari Vaayu Guru Naama Smarana,> > > Ramadas Rao.> > > > > > B Lakshmi Ramesh b_lakshmi_ramesh@ wrote:> > > Om Gurave namah> > > > > > Namaste Ramdas Raoji,> > > > > > Brilliant explanation. Thanks for taking the discussion forward. > > > This thread is greatly strengthened by the participation of > > > stalwarts like Sanjay ji, Goel ji, yourself and Prabhakara, and I am > > > learning all the time:--)) > > > > > > I would have very much liked to do the timing of the data given by >

> > you, but in my system, jhora is hanging whenever I give a B.C. date. > > > I remember Vishnu Jandhyala once told me that if I install the full > > > version of jhora, this problem would be overcome and he had sent me > > > the version too. It is my mistake that I had not done so > > > immediately, because now I can't trace that CD among the hundreds of > > > CDs in the house…all seeming to contain FIFAs and NHLs:--(( But I > > > guess I need not worry, because our other friends would have, by > > > now, isolated the probable dates.> > > > > > The configuration given by you puts 7 planets in own/exaltation > > > signs in Sri Krishna's Chart. That's indeed the chart of a maha > > > purusha. But I do have one doubt. Such a formidable array of planets > > > would have conferred a great kingdom on him, but I think

He chose to > > > remain a prince, while Balarama became the king. Perhaps this > > > secondary role, in the material sense, is attributable to the fact > > > that He is the lunar incarnation. I also feel that there should be > > > a connection between Saturn & Jupiter in his chart. I mean, > > > Bhagavadgita is Brahmavidya, an unparalleled exposition of > > > philosophical wisdom, and that would necessitate the influence of > > > both planets on His mind and intellect. He's also the Yogeeshwara, > > > the ultimate Parivrajaka, so Saturn must influence his 4th > > > house/lord as well. This is so in the case of both Sri Rama, Buddha > > > and Krishna Chaitanya. What do you feel?> > > > > > Regards,> > > Lakshmi> > > > > > sohamsa , Ramadas Rao

ramadasrao@ wrote:> > > >> > > > OM SHRI RAGHAVENDRAAYA NAMAH> > > > OM NAMO NARAYANAYA> > > > Dear Sanjay P and Lakshmi Ji,> > > > May be 2-3 years before in VA list I provided Shri Krishna's > > > horoscope which is written in Sanskrit which will be chanted by the > > > Swami Ji who performs Pooja on Shri Krishna Ashtami day in Udipi.The > > > Horoscope chanting is special on the birth day of Shri Krishna.Here > > > again I provide the same Sanskrit Shlokas and one of you or anybody > > > who is expert in calculating to present B.C. years can decode it.:> > > > SWASTI SHRI MADBHAGAVATO MAHAPURUSHASYA PRAVARTAMAANASYA > > > BRAHMANAH DWITEEYA PRARAARDHE SHWETAVARAAHA KALPE > > > VAIVASVATAMANVANTARE ASHTAAVIMSHATITAME MAHAAYUGAANTARGATA > > > DVAAPARAYUGASYA 8,63,900

NAVA SHATTYUTTARA TRISHASHTI > > > SAHASRAADHIKAASHTALAKSHAANI,SHESHADWAAPARA YUGA VARSHAANI 100 > > > EKASHATAANI TADAA PRAVARTAMAANE VIRODHI NAAMA SAMVATASARA > > > DAKSHINAAYANE VARSHA RUTAOU SHRAAVANA MAASE KRISHNA PAKSHE ASHTAMI > > > TITHAOU,BUDHAVAASARE 50.44,ROHINI 52.51,VAJRA YOGA 53.20,BAVA KARANA > > > 27 ; EVAM PANCHAANGA SHUDDHESMIN DINE SHRI MAARTHAANDA > > > MANDALAARDHODAYAAT GATAGHATIKAA :455 ,VRISHABHA LAGNODAYE PUNYODAYA > > > VELAAYAAM JAMBUDVIPE BHARATAKHANDE YAMUNAATIRE SHRI > > > MANMATHURAANAGARA SHRI SOMAVAMSHOTPANNA SHURASENA RAAJAATMAJA SHRI > > > VASUDEVARAAJA VIRAAJAMAANSTASYA GRUHE,YAA SAUBHAAGYAADYAKHILAGUNA > > > SAMPANNAA DEVAKI TASYAAH UDARE KAARAAGRUHE ASHTAMA PUTRASYA SHRI > > > KRISHNASYA JANMAABHOOT.> > > > The chart is also given.Lagna is Vrishabha with

Chandra,Surya in > > > Simha Rashi,Budha in Kanya,Shukra and Rahu in Tula,Kuja in > > > Makara,Shani in Kumbha, Guru in Meena and Ketu in Mesha rashi.> > > > As per this,then we have 3 different charts.I am also searching > > > for the accurate birth chart of Shri Krishna.Now if anybody can > > > decode the above Sanskrit wordings and match with the chart > > > mentioned above, then I feel that the chart is correct.> > > > Just a few points. As per Nadi Technics, Guru is the native as > > > he is Jeeva Karaka and so here Guru in Meena Rashi indicates Lord > > > Shri Mannarayanaya and Budha Uccha in Bhootattwa in opposition to > > > Guru indicates the birth in this earth as a Avatara Purusha.Ketu in > > > Mesha aspecting its previous house as he is retrograding indicates > > > HE is a Yoga Purusha.Guru is hemmed

between 2 malefics Ketu and > > > Shani indicating HIS birth was in Bandhana.Shani in 12th to Guru > > > indicates HE insisted Karma Yoga.Guru is in North direction whereas > > > Chandra is in South direction, so HE is very handsome in look.Also > > > Kuja and Guru are in opposite directions, so HE has got immense > > > powers.Kuja can give miraculous powers in this position.Guru in > > > connection with Chandra, Budha and Kuja made HIM a Pavaada > > > Purusha.Patni Karaka Shukra is in Moola Trikona Sthana with Maya > > > Karaka Rahu indicates HE has a lot of wives and all these wives are > > > following Bhakti Marga only and so HE married them.This is because of> > > > Shani in Moola Trikona is in trine to Shukra and Rahu.Karma > > > Karaka Shani in 12th to Jeeva Karaka Guru indicates HE is a great > > > Philosopher

also who gave this world the great Karma Yoga and Bhakti > > > Yoga.There are still many Nadi secrets which I am still studying > > > only to uncover such secrets.> > > > In the above analysis, Janma Lagna is not taken into > > > consideration and everything is considered from Guru only.> > > > With Shri Hari Vaayu Guru Naama Smarana,> > > > Ramadas Rao.> > > > > > > > Sanjay Prabhakaran sanjaychettiar@ wrote:> > > > || Om Gurave Namah ||> > > > > > > > Dear Lakshmi,> > > > > > > > Kaalaprakaashika does not give the Navamsha, It just gives the > > > Panchanga and Rashi positions. Since it's a book on Muhurtha mostly > > > it focused more on Panchanga. But this is the only classics where I > > > could find description of Lord Krishna's

chart. > > > > > > > > I would be interested to know if somebody else found more > > > details. I think Bhavatam does not give Planetary positions, Mostly > > > the Lagna, Month and Nakshatra at birth is given. > > > > > > > > > > > > Warm Regards> > > > Sanjay P> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 7/31/06, B Lakshmi Ramesh b_lakshmi_ramesh@ > > > > wrote: Om Gurave Namah> > > > > > > > Namaste Prabhakara,> > > > > > > > The chart given by you looks interesting. What's the birth data?> > > > Is the navamsa chart available?> > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > Lakshmi> > > > > > > > sohamsa , "Sanjay

Prabhakaran" > > > > > > > > > > > > <sanjaychettiar@> wrote:> > > > >> > > > > || Om Gurave Namah ||> > > > > Dear Robertji and Jyotishas,> > > > > I also read another chart for Lord Krishna in Shree Jayanti > > > > Chapter of> > > > > KaalaPrakshika of Narasimhan acharya. The details of the chart > > > are > > > > in the> > > > > following link, Please give your opinion on this one too,> > > > > > > > > > http://sanjayprabhakaran.blogspot.com/2005/11/shree-jayanti.html> > > > > > > > > > Panchanga at Birth is> > > > > Nakshatra: Rohini 4th Pada> > > > > Karana: Kaulava> > > > > Yoga: Harshana> > >

> > Tithi: Krishna Ashtami (K8)> > > > > Vaara : Wednesday> > > > > > > > > > Taurus Lagna.> > > > > > > > > > Warm Regards> > > > > Sanjay P> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 7/30/06, Robert Koch <rk@> wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Om Vishnave Namah> > > > > >> > > > > > The following is the birth data for Sri Krsna that I used in > > > my > > > > book *The> > > > > > Spiritual Dimensions of Vedic Astrology *(I neglected to add > > > it > > > > at the end> > > > > > of my last post):> > > > > >> > > > > > Sri Krsna> > > > >

> Natal Chart June 23, -3227 Time: > > > > 23:42:35 Time> > > > > > Zone: 5:10:00 (East of GMT) Place: 77 E 41' 00", 27 > > > > N 25' 00"> > > > > > Ayanamsa: 48-17-59.39> > > > > >> > > > > > The lagna should be 14Ta07.> > > > > >> > > > > > Best wishes,> > > > > > Robert> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > At 12:48 PM 7/30/2006, you wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Om Vishnave Namah> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Lakshmi,> > > > > >> > > > > > Namaste ~> > > > > >> > > > > > I had been away from the Sohamsa list for a

few days, and thus > > > > the delay> > > > > > in responding to you. Thank you for your email and your kind > > > > words> > > > > > regarding my book. It was my original desire that Jyotish > > > > scholars such as> > > > > > yourself would read and enjoy this book, and so your positive > > > > feedback is> > > > > > most encouraging.> > > > > >> > > > > > You've raised a very interesting question regarding the chart > > > of > > > > Lord Sri> > > > > > Krsna as discussed in my book, and so let me respond to you as > > > > follows:> > > > > > First, I would say that the horoscopes of Avataras are most or > > > > less symbolic> > > > > > of much broader

issues than the charts of ordinary humans are, > > > > although> > > > > > recorded events associated with Their Lilas are documented and > > > > can also be> > > > > > correlated to astrological principles in certain ways. But for > > > > the most> > > > > > part, typical yogas, vargas, planetary positions and > > > strengths, > > > > and other> > > > > > principles we use to study the charts of humans cannot, for > > > > example, tell us> > > > > > how Sri Krsna had 16,108 wives, or that he showed His mother > > > the > > > > entire> > > > > > universe or Virata-rupa within his mouth! That being said, the > > > > study of> > > > > > charts of avataras is a fascinating study when we

bear in mind > > > > (1) the> > > > > > transcendental nature of such personalities as described in > > > Vedic> > > > > > scriptures; and (2) we make such as study making use of > > > > guidelines given in> > > > > > classical texts such as Jataka Parijata, Prashna Marga, BPHS, > > > > etc.> > > > > >> > > > > > Now, in my book I referred to Jataka Parijata 4.97 in which > > > some> > > > > > astrological criteria for the charts of avataras was given. In > > > > that text,> > > > > > it is suggested that the Sun, Jupiter, and Mars should be in > > > the > > > > 9th house> > > > > > from lagna or that they should aspect it; that the Navamsa > > > they > > >

> occupy is> > > > > > owned by the 9th house and also by Saturn (Cp and Aq) and that > > > > they be in> > > > > > vargottamamsa; and further, that the Moon, in strength, should > > > > occupy the> > > > > > lagna. Expansions on these points were given on page 363 of my > > > > book, and my> > > > > > conclusions were also made in consultation with Pt. Sanjay > > > Rath.> > > > > >> > > > > > The gist of Sri Krsna's chart is as follows [the data for the > > > > chart I use> > > > > > is given at the end of this email, for those who would like to > > > > follow along> > > > > > with this discuss. I recommend calculating this chart only > > > with > > > > the JHora> >

> > > > software, as other software will given different and erroneous > > > > results]: In> > > > > > the rasi chart, The Sun, Mars, and Jupiter all aspect the 9th > > > > house, which> > > > > > is the sign Capricorn, while the exalted Moon occupies the > > > > lagna; in> > > > > > Navamsa, the vargottama Moon occupies the lagna, while Jupiter > > > > occupies the> > > > > > 9th house. Mars aspects the 9th house, while the Sun reaches > > > > the 9th house> > > > > > by way of Mercury's dispositorship. Now, why should the > > > avatara > > > > of Sri> > > > > > Krsna - and incarnation of Vishnu - have Jupiter debilitated > > > in > > > > the 9th> > > > > > house of the

Dharmamsa chart? It is because the purpose of > > > such > > > > avataras is> > > > > > to reinstate Dharma first of all; that such avataras appear > > > > toward the end> > > > > > of a yuga; and further that (according to shastras) the time > > > at > > > > which Sri> > > > > > Krsna appeared was just prior to the onset of Kali-yuga. > > > > *Jupiter's> > > > > > neecha thus is not a reflection on Sri Krsna's dharma, but the > > > > fact that his> > > > > > incarnation served to protect dharma at time when it was to > > > > become very> > > > > > compromised.> > > > > >> > > > > > *The Kali-yuga rasi is Capricorn. Thus if in the Navamsa chart > > > > of

Sri> > > > > > Krsna Jupiter occupies Cp in the 9th house, it not only > > > > satisfies part of> > > > > > the criteria of Jataka Parijata for an avatara as given above, > > > > but> > > > > > especially of one who appears prior to the onset of the > > > > dangerous age of> > > > > > Kali. In Cp, Jupiter symbolizes a diminishing of the Tamasic > > > > effects of> > > > > > Mars and Saturn who are strong in that sign, and who tend to > > > > reign in> > > > > > Kali-yuga. Thus in Kali-yuga, or just prior to its occurrence, > > > > the avatara> > > > > > protects dharma in the sign of Capricorn and in the 9th house, > > > > as found in> > > > > > the proposed Navamsa chart of Sri

Krsna.> > > > > >> > > > > > As for the Shastiamsa chart of Sri Krsna, I cannot give any > > > > commentary, as> > > > > > to my knowledge there are no specific directives given in > > > > classics for the> > > > > > D-60 in charts of avataras.> > > > > >> > > > > > In summary, my point is that - while it is interesting to > > > > correlate events> > > > > > to the charts of such avataras - the overriding purpose of > > > such > > > > study is to> > > > > > validate with linear models their superhuman purpose of > > > > appearance as per> > > > > > classical texts. We can, in other words, never apply verbatim > > > > the> > > > > > principles given

and study them in the identical ways that we > > > > would to study> > > > > > the charts of ordinary humans. Otherwise, how could child > > > > Krsna lift an> > > > > > entire mountain (Govardhana giri) with is pinky finger, when > > > He > > > > had Mars in> > > > > > debilitation in his rasi chart?> > > > > >> > > > > > Thank you for raising some very interesting questions and > > > points > > > > of view.> > > > > > I will be interested in hearing more of your feedback on this > > > > subject. I> > > > > > will be leaving town on Tuesday for the annual SJC conference > > > in > > > > California,> > > > > > but I can respond to you from my laptop as well.>

> > > > >> > > > > > Best wishes and warm regards,> > > > > > Robert> > > > > >> > > > > > At 03:45 AM 7/26/2006, you wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Om Gurave Namah> > > > > >> > > > > > Namaste Robert ji,> > > > > >> > > > > > First of all let me congratulate you on your excellent book. > > > It > > > > was> > > > > > a great pleasure reading it.> > > > > >> > > > > > However, I do have a small doubt regarding the chart of Sri > > > > Krishna.> > > > > > In your book it is stated that in His chart, Jupiter is > > > > debilitated> > > > > > in 9th house, because Sri Krishna

avatara was for the purpose > > > of> > > > > > reinstating dharma. But, in this respect, I feel that the> > > > > > debilitation of Sun or Jupiter, in the D-60 chart, would be a > > > > more> > > > > > logical pointer to the advent of an avatara (in any yuga), > > > > because> > > > > > these two planets indicate dharma and their fall would be the > > > > cause> > > > > > for Bhagavan's advent, as the Lord himself said "yada yada hi> > > > > > dharmasya glaanirbhavathi Bhaarata". Libra, as the cardinal > > > vayu> > > > > > tattwa sign and the exaltation sign, is also intimately > > > > connected to> > > > > > Saturn.> > > > > >> > > > > > >From my perspective

navamsa (as Dharmamsa) is the strength of > > > > the> > > > > > chart/planets/native, while shashtyamsa (d-60) indicates the > > > > karmic> > > > > > seed of the present birth. Though all the results we reap in > > > the> > > > > > present birth are moderated/interpreted by the karma we > > > accrued > > > > in> > > > > > the previous births, I do not think shashtyamsa has the over-> > > > riding> > > > > > power which navamsa/dharma, alone has.> > > > > >> > > > > > So, it is sort of inconceivable for me that Sri Krishna's > > > navamsa> > > > > > can have Sun or Jupiter in debilitation. In the navamsa chart > > > > given> > > > > > by Sri Raman,

Jupiter is in Sagittarius (7th house) in navamsa,> > > > > > while Sun is equally strong in 4th house…and I personally > > > think> > > > > > that's a more appropriate position….with minor modifications.> > > > > >> > > > > > In Sri Rama's navamsa, I think neither Jupiter nor Sun is> > > > > > debilitated. Same is the case with Chaitanya Mahaprabhu's > > > > chart. In> > > > > > Chaitanya Mahaprabhu's chart Sun is debilitated in D-60, as in > > > > Swami> > > > > > Vivekananda's chart. It may not be the case with the charts of> > > > > > avadhutas.> > > > > >> > > > > > Requesting your inputs on the above.> > > > > >> > > > > > Regards,> > > >

> > Lakshmi> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > ! om tat sat !> > > > > > Footnotes:> > > > > > 1. Let us share our thoughts and knowledge like the Sun God > > > > Surya shares> > > > > > his light with the entire planet, without bias and without > > > > emotions. Let us> > > > > > rise in praise to that supreme significator of the soul of all > > > > creatures.> > > > > > 2. You don't have to reply if you feel that there is a waste > > > of > >

> > energy.> > > > > > Use the energy given by Surya well.> > > > > > 3. This mail is just another view, and who else other than > > > Surya > > > > Himself> > > > > > knows the perfect truth. So say - om tat sat.> > > > > > 4. The contents above are the views of one individual and do > > > not > > > > represent> > > > > > the groups views nor that of the group owner.> > > > > >