Data used for the horoscope of Sri Krsna

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Dear Sanjay,

 

 

Please just call me Narasimha.

 

> These are some of my thoughts. I really was not able to picture "We normally> use the ecliptic plane of earth. Who knows, the correct plane to use for> measuring longitudes may be different.". I think are proposing some Non> linear (eclicptic) transformation to Ayanamsha?. Maybe I would need to draw> some diagrams to understand this.

 

To find planetary longitudes, we need to define two things:

 

(1) a 2-D plane onto which the 3-D positions of planets are projected, and,

(2) a zero degree point defined in that 2-D plane.

 

The issue of ayanamsa addresses (2). But (1) above is a different issue.

 

Normally, the 2-D plane used is the ecliptic plane. Ecliptic plane is basically the orbital plane of earth around Sun. However, earth's orbit around Sun keeps wobbling slowly. Thus, the ecliptic plane keeps changing slightly as time passes. So, we need to define (1) based on the ecliptic plane of a *specific date*.

 

Instead of using a plane that keeps wobbling from time to time, it is possible to define a plane that does not wobble.

 

An example is the mean ecliptic (like mean nodes). Instead of taking the ecliptic plane of a particular day, we can take the averages of all ecliptic planes of all days and project the planetary positions onto that plane.

 

Another possibility is to take the plane in which the entire solar system rotates around a distant center (Vishnu Nabhi). This plane is close to the ecliptic plane, but has a slight angle. For example, compared to the J2000 plane (ecliptic plane from 2000 Jan 1)m which is normally used when finding tropical co-ordinates, this plane has an angle of aobut one and half degrees.

 

Because of this tilt, when planetary positions are projected onto this plane, longitudes may change a little. This is not just a matter of ayanamsa changing a little and all planetary longitudes all changing similarly. This is a matter of transformation of planetary longitudes. Some longitudes may increase and some may decrease.

 

There are possibilities that need further investigation. Vedic astrologers will do well to realize that some new findings related to the co-ordinate system used in measuring sidereal planetary longitudes may impact super-fine researches like nadyamsas and ardha-nadyamsas and historical charts like Sri Krishna's.

 

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BTW, Tattvamasi, I caught your mail, but not sure of the place of timezone. Please give the data more clearly. Also, the native is just a baby and we probably don't know much to verify. What area of life are you interested in?

 

 

 

Sarvam SreeKrishnaarpanamastu,

Narasimha

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> || Om Gurave Namah ||> Dear Narasimhaji,> > Thank you, In fact we should thank Narasimhan of Kaalaprakaashika too. The> reference of Brahma Samhita is the main reason why I tend to lean on this> chart. Unfortunately I could not find Brahma Samhita reference, The only> translation popular (Gaudiya Math) contains only chapter five.> > As for different co-ordinate system I felt the Base Nakshatra (Like> Fulcrum/Bench Mark etc). could be different for different yugas, We already> have references that 3 Nakshatra Cycle is used (Which is infact used in> KaalaChakra also),> > I also felt that as per what Guruji said of Yuga cycle going reverse from> Aries, The Current chitra Paksha is infact Trines Capricorn. (Past reference> had been in Krittika, Magha etc). So the Ayanamsha could in infact be> refered from certain points depending on Yuga. I just want to know Guruji's> opinion.> > These are some of my thoughts. I really was not able to picture "We normally> use the ecliptic plane of earth. Who knows, the correct plane to use for> measuring longitudes may be different.". I think are proposing some Non> linear (eclicptic) transformation to Ayanamsha?. Maybe I would need to draw> some diagrams to understand this.> > Warm Regards> Sanjay P> > > > > > > On 8/1/06, Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <pvr wrote:> >> > Namaste friends,> >> > So far I have read scriptural quotes that only refer to Sraavana month,> > Krishna paksha, Ashtami tithi, Rohini star, Taurus lagna etc. I have not> > read any scriptural references to various planetary positions in Sri> > Krishna's chart. This reference quoted from "Brahma Samhita" is the first> > such reference to a scripture.> >> > If this is true, this is a HUGE new input! I am grateful to SanjayP for> > bringing this gem of an information to our notice.> >> > When I did a quick search in 5400 BC-1000 BC, I could not locate any date> > when this planetary combination occurs.> >> > However, it is possible that we are doing something wrong. For example,> > there could be errors in the ayanamsa. Or there could be a transformation> > needed in the co-ordinate system we use. We normally use the ecliptic plane> > of earth. Who knows, the correct plane to use for measuring longitudes may> > be different.> >> > The information provided by SanjayP enables further research and I thank> > him for that. Meanwhile, if anybody having a copy of "Brahma Samhita" can> > confirm the quote, it will be greatly appreciated!> >> > Sarvam SreeKrishnaarpanamastu,> > Narasimha> > -------------------------> > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net> > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org> > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org> > -------------------------> >> >> > > || Om Gurave Namah ||> > >> > > Namaste Guruji,> > > I just went back and refered to Kaalaprakaashika again, There Sri> > > Narasimhaarya infact qoutes Brahmasamhita for Shree Jayanti, Lord Brahma> > > says to Narada thus,> > >> > > brahmasaMhitaayaam> > > brahmovaaca --> > > shR^iNu vatsa pravakShyaami kR^iShNajanmadinotsavam .> > > yatkR^itvaa sarvakaamaaMshca labhate maavaH sadaa .. 18 ..> > > siMharaashigate suurye shraavaNe maasi naarada .> > > kR^iShNapakShe samaaShTamyaaM budhavaare nishaardhake ..19 ..> > > candre vR^iShabharaashisthe rohiNyaaM caramaaMshake .> > > tathaa harShaNayoge ca kaulavena samanvite ..20 ..> > > candrodayaM vR^iShe lagne karkaTe ca bR^ihaspatau .> > > kaanyaayaa~nca budhe shukre tulaayaaM ca shanau sthite ..21..> > > nakrage bhuumiputraM ca site raahau ca karkaTe .> > > vasudevena devakyaaM jaGYe kR^iShNashcatubhujaH .. 22 ..> > >> > >> > > If anybody has Brahmasamhita, Can you please verify if there is any> > mistakes> > > in qoutes?. I think this is pretty much a strong reference given by the> > > Author.> > >> > > Warm Regards> > > Sanjay P> >> > >> > > On 7/31/06, Sanjay Prabhakaran <sanjaychettiar@> wrote:> > > > || Om Gurave Namah ||> > > >> > > > Dear Guruji,> > > >> > > > > I think that is not advisable. If we are using one ayanamsa then we> > > should continue to use it for all purposes. We cannot use one ayanamsa> > for> > > one chart and another for another chart and say that Jyotish that we do> > is> > > right!> > > >> > > > Sanjay P: I got your point, Just to be sure that I made my thought> > > > clear, I was not meaning to say that different people (i.e Lord> > > > Krishna) should have different Ayanamsha, What I was saying the is> > > > that different yuga may have 30 degree variation in calculated> > > > Ayanamsha.> > > > i.e Treta Yuga Ayanamsha - Kali Yuga Ayanamsha = 30 degree, this> > > > thought came because you said , Yuga progesses reverse from Aries at> > > > one sign per yuga. Hence My thought. Anyway I got the point that this> > > > thought maybe inaccurate.> > > >> > > >> > > > Another question I had was in your Lord Krishna chart the given> > > > coordinates fall in Gujarat, I thought Krishna's brith co-ordinates> > > > should be near Yamuna, Mathura and relocated to Gujarat.> > > >> > > >> > > > This is what Google maps shows.> > > >> > >> > http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q & hl=en & q=69.6+E+21.63N+ & ie=UTF8 & ll=21.647217,69.598389 & spn=2.450601,5.537109 & om=1> > > >> > > >> > > > Warm Regards> > > > Sanjay P> > > >> > > > > Secondly the Sri Jayanti should be around a century before the> > begining> > > of Kali Yuga which has been estimated at 3128 BC. So even if we allow> > for> > > errors in dates by a few years, we should be searching in the range of> > 3300> > > to 3200 BC.> > > > >> > > > > I took the Saturn & Jupiter positions and made the chart (I have> > done> > > this earlier also before arrving at the chart I do now - Narasimha has> > done> > > tremendous work on this searching for charts). The only option available> > > for the data given by Sri Narasimhan Acharya is given below and> > positions> > > of the nodes and some planets are quite off the mark. Lagnesa Venus is> > > debilitated and there are some other combinations due to which I> > rejected> > > this chart outright. Giving the data for your study.> > > > >> > > > > ----Narasimhan Acharya Krishna Chart (Actual date based on Saturn,> > > Jupiter, Sun, Moon and Lagna) ----------> > > > > Sri Krishna (-3229 BC)> > > > >> > > > > Natal Chart> > > > >> > > > > June 17, -3229> > > > > Time: 11:45:00 pm> > > > > Time Zone: 4:38:00 (East of GMT)> > > > > Place: 69 E 36' 00", 21 N 38' 00"> >> > > > > Altitude: 0.00 meters> > > > >> > > > > Lunar Yr-Mo: Prajapati - Sravana> > > > > Tithi: Krishna Navami (Su) (69.57% left)> > > > > Vedic Weekday: Monday (Mo)> > > > > Nakshatra: Rohini (Mo) (13.84% left)> > > > > Yoga: Harshana (Su) (25.06% left)> > > > > Karana: Taitula (Me) (39.15% left)> > > > > Hora Lord: Sun (5 min sign: Aq)> > > > > Mahakala Hora: Mars (5 min sign: Cp)> > > > > Kaala Lord: Moon (Mahakala: Saturn)> > > > >> > > > > Sunrise: 5:07:42 am> > > > > Sunset: 6:35:55 pm> > > > > Janma Ghatis: 46.5541> > > > >> > > > > Ayanamsa: 48-19-40.94> > > > > Sidereal Time: 17:24:45> > > > >> > > > > ----------- Sanjay Rath Chart data for Sri Krishna Jayanti--------> > > > > Sri Krishna (3228 BC)> > > > >> > > > > June 23, -3227> > > > > Time: 11:45:00 pm> > > > > Time Zone: 4:38:00 (East of GMT)> > > > > Place: 69 E 36' 00", 21 N 38' 00"> >> > > > > Altitude: 0.00 meters> > > > >> > > > > Lunar Yr-Mo: Sreemukha - Sravana> > > > > Tithi: Krishna Ashtami (Ra) (64.08% left)> > > > > Vedic Weekday: Thursday (Ju)> > > > > Nakshatra: Rohini (Mo) (51.45% left)> > > > > Yoga: Harshana (Su) (15.23% left)> > > > > Karana: Balava (Mo) (28.16% left)> > > > > Hora Lord: Mercury (5 min sign: Cp)> > > > > Mahakala Hora: Venus (5 min sign: Aq)> > > > > Kaala Lord: Jupiter (Mahakala: Mars)> > > > >> > > > > Sunrise: 5:09:19 am> > > > > Sunset: 6:38:18 pm> > > > > Janma Ghatis: 46.4869> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Ayanamsa: 48-17-59.39> > > > >> > > > > Sidereal Time: 17:50:26> > > > > --------------> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > With best wishes and warm regards,> > > > > Sanjay Rath

 

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OM SHRI RAGHAVEDNRAAYA NAMAH OM NAMO NARAYANAYA Dear Lakshmi Ji, Thanks for your mail.There is already a big book by name " The core of Nadi Astrology " written by Shri R.G.Rao.But the only problem is that he gives that book only to his students. Anyhow I may be able to write any book only after I retire from my job which may be after 3 years. With Shri Hari Vaayu Guru Naama Smarana, Ramadas Rao.B Lakshmi Ramesh <b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote: Om Gurave namahNamaste Ramdas Raoji,Thank you for endorsing my point of view and relating it convincingly to the chart you've shared with us. Let's keep the search on, and perhaps the Lord will bless us with the right insights, at the appropriate time.I really look forward to your analysis on the chart of Markandeya. That's going to be a real treat. Why don't you consider writing a book on nadi techniques? It would be very useful for novices like me.Regards,Lakshmisohamsa , Ramadas Rao <ramadasrao wrote:>> OM SHRI RAGHAVENDRAAYA NAMAH> OM NAMO NARAYANAYA> Dear Lakshmi

Ji,> I agree with your point about Guru and Shani be connected with each other.So when the actual horoscope is made,I strongly feel that either Guru is in Uttarabadhra Nakshtra ruled by Shani or Shani is in Poorvabadhra Pada Nakshatra ruled by Guru.> In my explanation,I forgotten to write something more.kuja is the Karaka for brother and as he is exalted and is in trine with exalted Budha nad this Budha is being aspected by Rahu who is in Tula .This indicates that HIS brother who is very strong and courageous holding Halayudha represented by exalted Kuja in Makara Rashi and is an Avatara of Shesha Naaga which is represented by Rahu aspecting exalted Budha.( Bala Rama )> Nadi secrets are difficult to interpret but I am trying to read such difficult charts.I also have the chart of Markandeya which is given in Nadi book.I will interpret that chart whenever I am free.> With Shri Hari Vaayu Guru Naama

Smarana,> Ramadas Rao.> > B Lakshmi Ramesh <b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote:> Om Gurave namah> > Namaste Ramdas Raoji,> > Brilliant explanation. Thanks for taking the discussion forward. > This thread is greatly strengthened by the participation of > stalwarts like Sanjay ji, Goel ji, yourself and Prabhakara, and I am > learning all the time:--)) > > I would have very much liked to do the timing of the data given by > you, but in my system, jhora is hanging whenever I give a B.C. date. > I remember Vishnu Jandhyala once told me that if I install the full > version of jhora, this problem would be overcome and he had sent me > the version too. It is my mistake that I had not done so > immediately, because now I can't trace that CD among the hundreds of > CDs in the house…all seeming to contain FIFAs and NHLs:--(( But

I > guess I need not worry, because our other friends would have, by > now, isolated the probable dates.> > The configuration given by you puts 7 planets in own/exaltation > signs in Sri Krishna's Chart. That's indeed the chart of a maha > purusha. But I do have one doubt. Such a formidable array of planets > would have conferred a great kingdom on him, but I think He chose to > remain a prince, while Balarama became the king. Perhaps this > secondary role, in the material sense, is attributable to the fact > that He is the lunar incarnation. I also feel that there should be > a connection between Saturn & Jupiter in his chart. I mean, > Bhagavadgita is Brahmavidya, an unparalleled exposition of > philosophical wisdom, and that would necessitate the influence of > both planets on His mind and intellect. He's also the Yogeeshwara, > the ultimate Parivrajaka,

so Saturn must influence his 4th > house/lord as well. This is so in the case of both Sri Rama, Buddha > and Krishna Chaitanya. What do you feel?> > Regards,> Lakshmi> > sohamsa , Ramadas Rao <ramadasrao@> wrote:> >> > OM SHRI RAGHAVENDRAAYA NAMAH> > OM NAMO NARAYANAYA> > Dear Sanjay P and Lakshmi Ji,> > May be 2-3 years before in VA list I provided Shri Krishna's > horoscope which is written in Sanskrit which will be chanted by the > Swami Ji who performs Pooja on Shri Krishna Ashtami day in Udipi.The > Horoscope chanting is special on the birth day of Shri Krishna.Here > again I provide the same Sanskrit Shlokas and one of you or anybody > who is expert in calculating to present B.C. years can decode it.:> > SWASTI SHRI

MADBHAGAVATO MAHAPURUSHASYA PRAVARTAMAANASYA > BRAHMANAH DWITEEYA PRARAARDHE SHWETAVARAAHA KALPE > VAIVASVATAMANVANTARE ASHTAAVIMSHATITAME MAHAAYUGAANTARGATA > DVAAPARAYUGASYA 8,63,900 NAVA SHATTYUTTARA TRISHASHTI > SAHASRAADHIKAASHTALAKSHAANI,SHESHADWAAPARA YUGA VARSHAANI 100 > EKASHATAANI TADAA PRAVARTAMAANE VIRODHI NAAMA SAMVATASARA > DAKSHINAAYANE VARSHA RUTAOU SHRAAVANA MAASE KRISHNA PAKSHE ASHTAMI > TITHAOU,BUDHAVAASARE 50.44,ROHINI 52.51,VAJRA YOGA 53.20,BAVA KARANA > 27 ; EVAM PANCHAANGA SHUDDHESMIN DINE SHRI MAARTHAANDA > MANDALAARDHODAYAAT GATAGHATIKAA :455 ,VRISHABHA LAGNODAYE PUNYODAYA > VELAAYAAM JAMBUDVIPE BHARATAKHANDE YAMUNAATIRE SHRI > MANMATHURAANAGARA SHRI SOMAVAMSHOTPANNA SHURASENA RAAJAATMAJA SHRI > VASUDEVARAAJA VIRAAJAMAANSTASYA GRUHE,YAA SAUBHAAGYAADYAKHILAGUNA > SAMPANNAA DEVAKI TASYAAH UDARE KAARAAGRUHE ASHTAMA PUTRASYA SHRI

> KRISHNASYA JANMAABHOOT.> > The chart is also given.Lagna is Vrishabha with Chandra,Surya in > Simha Rashi,Budha in Kanya,Shukra and Rahu in Tula,Kuja in > Makara,Shani in Kumbha, Guru in Meena and Ketu in Mesha rashi.> > As per this,then we have 3 different charts.I am also searching > for the accurate birth chart of Shri Krishna.Now if anybody can > decode the above Sanskrit wordings and match with the chart > mentioned above, then I feel that the chart is correct.> > Just a few points. As per Nadi Technics, Guru is the native as > he is Jeeva Karaka and so here Guru in Meena Rashi indicates Lord > Shri Mannarayanaya and Budha Uccha in Bhootattwa in opposition to > Guru indicates the birth in this earth as a Avatara Purusha.Ketu in > Mesha aspecting its previous house as he is retrograding indicates > HE is a Yoga Purusha.Guru is hemmed between 2 malefics Ketu

and > Shani indicating HIS birth was in Bandhana.Shani in 12th to Guru > indicates HE insisted Karma Yoga.Guru is in North direction whereas > Chandra is in South direction, so HE is very handsome in look.Also > Kuja and Guru are in opposite directions, so HE has got immense > powers.Kuja can give miraculous powers in this position.Guru in > connection with Chandra, Budha and Kuja made HIM a Pavaada > Purusha.Patni Karaka Shukra is in Moola Trikona Sthana with Maya > Karaka Rahu indicates HE has a lot of wives and all these wives are > following Bhakti Marga only and so HE married them.This is because of> > Shani in Moola Trikona is in trine to Shukra and Rahu.Karma > Karaka Shani in 12th to Jeeva Karaka Guru indicates HE is a great > Philosopher also who gave this world the great Karma Yoga and Bhakti > Yoga.There are still many Nadi secrets which I am still

studying > only to uncover such secrets.> > In the above analysis, Janma Lagna is not taken into > consideration and everything is considered from Guru only.> > With Shri Hari Vaayu Guru Naama Smarana,> > Ramadas Rao.> > > > Sanjay Prabhakaran <sanjaychettiar@> wrote:> > || Om Gurave Namah ||> > > > Dear Lakshmi,> > > > Kaalaprakaashika does not give the Navamsha, It just gives the > Panchanga and Rashi positions. Since it's a book on Muhurtha mostly > it focused more on Panchanga. But this is the only classics where I > could find description of Lord Krishna's chart. > > > > I would be interested to know if somebody else found more > details. I think Bhavatam does not give Planetary positions, Mostly > the Lagna, Month and Nakshatra at birth is given. > > > >

> > Warm Regards> > Sanjay P> > > > > > > > On 7/31/06, B Lakshmi Ramesh <b_lakshmi_ramesh@ > > wrote: Om Gurave Namah> > > > Namaste Prabhakara,> > > > The chart given by you looks interesting. What's the birth data?> > Is the navamsa chart available?> > > > Regards,> > Lakshmi> > > > sohamsa , "Sanjay Prabhakaran" > > > > > > <sanjaychettiar@> wrote:> > >> > > || Om Gurave Namah ||> > > Dear Robertji and Jyotishas,> > > I also read another chart for Lord Krishna in Shree Jayanti > > Chapter of> > > KaalaPrakshika of Narasimhan acharya. The details of the chart > are > > in the> > >

following link, Please give your opinion on this one too,> > > > > > http://sanjayprabhakaran.blogspot.com/2005/11/shree-jayanti.html> > > > > > Panchanga at Birth is> > > Nakshatra: Rohini 4th Pada> > > Karana: Kaulava> > > Yoga: Harshana> > > Tithi: Krishna Ashtami (K8)> > > Vaara : Wednesday> > > > > > Taurus Lagna.> > > > > > Warm Regards> > > Sanjay P> > > > > > > > > > > On 7/30/06, Robert Koch <rk@> wrote:> > > >> > > > Om Vishnave Namah> > > >> > > > The following is the birth data for Sri Krsna that I used in > my > > book *The> > > > Spiritual

Dimensions of Vedic Astrology *(I neglected to add > it > > at the end> > > > of my last post):> > > >> > > > Sri Krsna> > > > Natal Chart June 23, -3227 Time: > > 23:42:35 Time> > > > Zone: 5:10:00 (East of GMT) Place: 77 E 41' 00", 27 > > N 25' 00"> > > > Ayanamsa: 48-17-59.39> > > >> > > > The lagna should be 14Ta07.> > > >> > > > Best wishes,> > > > Robert> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > At 12:48 PM 7/30/2006, you wrote:> > > >> > > > Om Vishnave Namah> > > >> > > > Dear Lakshmi,> > > >> > > > Namaste ~> > > >> > > > I had been away from the Sohamsa list for a few days,

and thus > > the delay> > > > in responding to you. Thank you for your email and your kind > > words> > > > regarding my book. It was my original desire that Jyotish > > scholars such as> > > > yourself would read and enjoy this book, and so your positive > > feedback is> > > > most encouraging.> > > >> > > > You've raised a very interesting question regarding the chart > of > > Lord Sri> > > > Krsna as discussed in my book, and so let me respond to you as > > follows:> > > > First, I would say that the horoscopes of Avataras are most or > > less symbolic> > > > of much broader issues than the charts of ordinary humans are, > > although> > > > recorded events associated with Their Lilas are documented

and > > can also be> > > > correlated to astrological principles in certain ways. But for > > the most> > > > part, typical yogas, vargas, planetary positions and > strengths, > > and other> > > > principles we use to study the charts of humans cannot, for > > example, tell us> > > > how Sri Krsna had 16,108 wives, or that he showed His mother > the > > entire> > > > universe or Virata-rupa within his mouth! That being said, the > > study of> > > > charts of avataras is a fascinating study when we bear in mind > > (1) the> > > > transcendental nature of such personalities as described in > Vedic> > > > scriptures; and (2) we make such as study making use of > > guidelines given in> > > > classical texts such as

Jataka Parijata, Prashna Marga, BPHS, > > etc.> > > >> > > > Now, in my book I referred to Jataka Parijata 4.97 in which > some> > > > astrological criteria for the charts of avataras was given. In > > that text,> > > > it is suggested that the Sun, Jupiter, and Mars should be in > the > > 9th house> > > > from lagna or that they should aspect it; that the Navamsa > they > > occupy is> > > > owned by the 9th house and also by Saturn (Cp and Aq) and that > > they be in> > > > vargottamamsa; and further, that the Moon, in strength, should > > occupy the> > > > lagna. Expansions on these points were given on page 363 of my > > book, and my> > > > conclusions were also made in consultation with Pt. Sanjay >

Rath.> > > >> > > > The gist of Sri Krsna's chart is as follows [the data for the > > chart I use> > > > is given at the end of this email, for those who would like to > > follow along> > > > with this discuss. I recommend calculating this chart only > with > > the JHora> > > > software, as other software will given different and erroneous > > results]: In> > > > the rasi chart, The Sun, Mars, and Jupiter all aspect the 9th > > house, which> > > > is the sign Capricorn, while the exalted Moon occupies the > > lagna; in> > > > Navamsa, the vargottama Moon occupies the lagna, while Jupiter > > occupies the> > > > 9th house. Mars aspects the 9th house, while the Sun reaches > > the 9th house> > > > by way of

Mercury's dispositorship. Now, why should the > avatara > > of Sri> > > > Krsna - and incarnation of Vishnu - have Jupiter debilitated > in > > the 9th> > > > house of the Dharmamsa chart? It is because the purpose of > such > > avataras is> > > > to reinstate Dharma first of all; that such avataras appear > > toward the end> > > > of a yuga; and further that (according to shastras) the time > at > > which Sri> > > > Krsna appeared was just prior to the onset of Kali-yuga. > > *Jupiter's> > > > neecha thus is not a reflection on Sri Krsna's dharma, but the > > fact that his> > > > incarnation served to protect dharma at time when it was to > > become very> > > > compromised.> > > >> > > > *The Kali-yuga

rasi is Capricorn. Thus if in the Navamsa chart > > of Sri> > > > Krsna Jupiter occupies Cp in the 9th house, it not only > > satisfies part of> > > > the criteria of Jataka Parijata for an avatara as given above, > > but> > > > especially of one who appears prior to the onset of the > > dangerous age of> > > > Kali. In Cp, Jupiter symbolizes a diminishing of the Tamasic > > effects of> > > > Mars and Saturn who are strong in that sign, and who tend to > > reign in> > > > Kali-yuga. Thus in Kali-yuga, or just prior to its occurrence, > > the avatara> > > > protects dharma in the sign of Capricorn and in the 9th house, > > as found in> > > > the proposed Navamsa chart of Sri Krsna.> > > >> > > > As for the Shastiamsa chart

of Sri Krsna, I cannot give any > > commentary, as> > > > to my knowledge there are no specific directives given in > > classics for the> > > > D-60 in charts of avataras.> > > >> > > > In summary, my point is that - while it is interesting to > > correlate events> > > > to the charts of such avataras - the overriding purpose of > such > > study is to> > > > validate with linear models their superhuman purpose of > > appearance as per> > > > classical texts. We can, in other words, never apply verbatim > > the> > > > principles given and study them in the identical ways that we > > would to study> > > > the charts of ordinary humans. Otherwise, how could child > > Krsna lift an> > > > entire mountain (Govardhana giri) with

is pinky finger, when > He > > had Mars in> > > > debilitation in his rasi chart?> > > >> > > > Thank you for raising some very interesting questions and > points > > of view.> > > > I will be interested in hearing more of your feedback on this > > subject. I> > > > will be leaving town on Tuesday for the annual SJC conference > in > > California,> > > > but I can respond to you from my laptop as well.> > > >> > > > Best wishes and warm regards,> > > > Robert> > > >> > > > At 03:45 AM 7/26/2006, you wrote:> > > >> > > > Om Gurave Namah> > > >> > > > Namaste Robert ji,> > > >> > > > First of all let me congratulate you on your excellent

book. > It > > was> > > > a great pleasure reading it.> > > >> > > > However, I do have a small doubt regarding the chart of Sri > > Krishna.> > > > In your book it is stated that in His chart, Jupiter is > > debilitated> > > > in 9th house, because Sri Krishna avatara was for the purpose > of> > > > reinstating dharma. But, in this respect, I feel that the> > > > debilitation of Sun or Jupiter, in the D-60 chart, would be a > > more> > > > logical pointer to the advent of an avatara (in any yuga), > > because> > > > these two planets indicate dharma and their fall would be the > > cause> > > > for Bhagavan's advent, as the Lord himself said "yada yada hi> > > > dharmasya glaanirbhavathi Bhaarata". Libra, as the

cardinal > vayu> > > > tattwa sign and the exaltation sign, is also intimately > > connected to> > > > Saturn.> > > >> > > > >From my perspective navamsa (as Dharmamsa) is the strength of > > the> > > > chart/planets/native, while shashtyamsa (d-60) indicates the > > karmic> > > > seed of the present birth. Though all the results we reap in > the> > > > present birth are moderated/interpreted by the karma we > accrued > > in> > > > the previous births, I do not think shashtyamsa has the over-> > riding> > > > power which navamsa/dharma, alone has.> > > >> > > > So, it is sort of inconceivable for me that Sri Krishna's > navamsa> > > > can have Sun or Jupiter in debilitation. In the navamsa

chart > > given> > > > by Sri Raman, Jupiter is in Sagittarius (7th house) in navamsa,> > > > while Sun is equally strong in 4th house…and I personally > think> > > > that's a more appropriate position….with minor modifications.> > > >> > > > In Sri Rama's navamsa, I think neither Jupiter nor Sun is> > > > debilitated. Same is the case with Chaitanya Mahaprabhu's > > chart. In> > > > Chaitanya Mahaprabhu's chart Sun is debilitated in D-60, as in > > Swami> > > > Vivekananda's chart. It may not be the case with the charts of> > > > avadhutas.> > > >> > > > Requesting your inputs on the above.> > > >> > > > Regards,> > > > Lakshmi> > > >> > > >> >

> >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > > ! om tat sat !> > > > Footnotes:> > > > 1. Let us share our thoughts and knowledge like the Sun God > > Surya shares> > > > his light with the entire planet, without bias and without > > emotions. Let us> > > > rise in praise to that supreme significator of the soul of all > > creatures.> > > > 2. You don't have to reply if you feel that there is a waste > of > > energy.> > > > Use the energy given by Surya well.> > > > 3. This mail is just another view, and who else other than > Surya > > Himself> > > > knows the perfect truth. So say - om tat sat.> > > > 4.

The contents above are the views of one individual and do > not > > represent> > > > the groups views nor that of the group owner.> > > >

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OM SHRI RAGHAVENDRAAYA NAMAH OM SHRI LAKSHMI NRUSIMHAAYA NAMAH Dear Youry, I can not become a Guru for teaching Nadi Shastra.You have to write to Shri R.G.Rao that you wanted to learn Nadi Jyotish and you can refer my name and I became his student on 25th of June 2003. I hope this helps you. With Shri Hari Vaayu Guru Naama Smarana, Ramadas Rao.khmelevsky wrote: Om Namo Narayanaya, Dear Shri Ramadas Rao Ji, My deepest pranam. Is it possible to study Nadi books from you as your student with request for a permission from Nadi Guru Shri R.G.Rao? If not, does Nadi Guru Shri R.G.Rao accept non-indian students? If you can't teach me Nadi Jyotish, may I ask you to make a reference to Shri R.G.Rao about myself? Sincerely yours your shishya, Youry sohamsa wrote on 02/08/2006 08:49:10 AM:> OM SHRI RAGHAVENDRAAYA NAMAH > OM NAMO NARAYANAYA > Dear Sourav, > There are lot of Nadi books written by my Nadi Guru Shri R.G.Rao from > Bangalore.He searched many palm leaves written in Sanskrit and Tamil and made > deep research into the Nadi Leaves and then he wrote the books.But the books > are available with him only and he wants the students who are interested to > learn Nadi Astrology has to become his students,then only he will give those > books to them.So for this you have to come to Bangalore.if you are ready for > this, I will give his address. > With Shri Hari Vaayu Guru Naama Smarana, > Ramadas

Rao. > > > Sourav <souravc108 > wrote: > || Hare Rama Krsna || > Dear Sri Ramadas-ji, > Pranam. Sorry to digress, but you > fluidly use Nadi techniques. Can you kindly educate me about some books which > I can follow to learn techniques ? I do not know how to read South Indian languages. > Best wishes, > Sourav > =================================================================> sohamsa , Ramadas Rao <ramadasrao wrote:> >> > OM SHRI

RAGHAVENDRAAYA NAMAH> > OM NAMO NARAYANAYA> > Dear Lakshmi Ji,> > I agree with your point about Guru and Shani be connected with each other.So> when the actual horoscope is made,I strongly feel that either Guru is in > Uttarabadhra Nakshtra ruled by Shani or Shani is in Poorvabadhra Pada > Nakshatra ruled by Guru.> > In my explanation,I forgotten to write something more.kuja is the Karaka for> brother and as he is exalted and is in trine with exalted Budha nad this Budha> is being aspected by Rahu who is in Tula .This indicates that HIS brother who > is very strong and courageous holding Halayudha represented by exalted Kuja in> Makara Rashi and is an Avatara of Shesha Naaga which is represented by Rahu > aspecting exalted Budha.( Bala Rama )> > Nadi secrets are difficult to interpret but I am trying to read such > difficult charts.I also have the chart of

Markandeya which is given in Nadi > book.I will interpret that chart whenever I am free.> > With Shri Hari Vaayu Guru Naama Smarana,> > Ramadas Rao.> > > > B Lakshmi Ramesh b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote:> > Om Gurave namah> > > > Namaste Ramdas Raoji,> > > > Brilliant explanation. Thanks for taking the discussion forward. > > This thread is greatly strengthened by the participation of > > stalwarts like Sanjay ji, Goel ji, yourself and Prabhakara, and I am > > learning all the time:--)) > > > > I would have very much liked to do the timing of the data given by > > you, but in my system, jhora is hanging whenever I give a B.C. date. > > I remember Vishnu Jandhyala once told me that if I install the full > > version of jhora, this problem would be overcome and he had sent me > > the

version too. It is my mistake that I had not done so > > immediately, because now I can't trace that CD among the hundreds of > > CDs in the house…all seeming to contain FIFAs and NHLs:--(( But I > > guess I need not worry, because our other friends would have, by > > now, isolated the probable dates.> > > > The configuration given by you puts 7 planets in own/exaltation > > signs in Sri Krishna's Chart. That's indeed the chart of a maha > > purusha. But I do have one doubt. Such a formidable array of planets > > would have conferred a great kingdom on him, but I think He chose to > > remain a prince, while Balarama became the king. Perhaps this > > secondary role, in the material sense, is attributable to the fact > > that He is the lunar incarnation. I also feel that there should be > > a connection between Saturn & Jupiter in his chart. I

mean, > > Bhagavadgita is Brahmavidya, an unparalleled exposition of > > philosophical wisdom, and that would necessitate the influence of > > both planets on His mind and intellect. He's also the Yogeeshwara, > > the ultimate Parivrajaka, so Saturn must influence his 4th > > house/lord as well. This is so in the case of both Sri Rama, Buddha > > and Krishna Chaitanya. What do you feel?> > > > Regards,> > Lakshmi> > > > sohamsa , Ramadas Rao ramadasrao@ wrote:> > >> > > OM SHRI RAGHAVENDRAAYA NAMAH> > > OM NAMO NARAYANAYA> > > Dear Sanjay P and Lakshmi Ji,> > > May be 2-3 years before in VA list I provided Shri Krishna's > > horoscope which is written in Sanskrit which will be chanted by the > > Swami Ji who performs Pooja on Shri Krishna Ashtami day in

Udipi.The > > Horoscope chanting is special on the birth day of Shri Krishna.Here > > again I provide the same Sanskrit Shlokas and one of you or anybody > > who is expert in calculating to present B.C. years can decode it.:> > > SWASTI SHRI MADBHAGAVATO MAHAPURUSHASYA PRAVARTAMAANASYA > > BRAHMANAH DWITEEYA PRARAARDHE SHWETAVARAAHA KALPE > > VAIVASVATAMANVANTARE ASHTAAVIMSHATITAME MAHAAYUGAANTARGATA > > DVAAPARAYUGASYA 8,63,900 NAVA SHATTYUTTARA TRISHASHTI > > SAHASRAADHIKAASHTALAKSHAANI,SHESHADWAAPARA YUGA VARSHAANI 100 > > EKASHATAANI TADAA PRAVARTAMAANE VIRODHI NAAMA SAMVATASARA > > DAKSHINAAYANE VARSHA RUTAOU SHRAAVANA MAASE KRISHNA PAKSHE ASHTAMI > > TITHAOU,BUDHAVAASARE 50.44,ROHINI 52.51,VAJRA YOGA 53.20,BAVA KARANA > > 27 ; EVAM PANCHAANGA SHUDDHESMIN DINE SHRI MAARTHAANDA > > MANDALAARDHODAYAAT GATAGHATIKAA :455

,VRISHABHA LAGNODAYE PUNYODAYA > > VELAAYAAM JAMBUDVIPE BHARATAKHANDE YAMUNAATIRE SHRI > > MANMATHURAANAGARA SHRI SOMAVAMSHOTPANNA SHURASENA RAAJAATMAJA SHRI > > VASUDEVARAAJA VIRAAJAMAANSTASYA GRUHE,YAA SAUBHAAGYAADYAKHILAGUNA > > SAMPANNAA DEVAKI TASYAAH UDARE KAARAAGRUHE ASHTAMA PUTRASYA SHRI > > KRISHNASYA JANMAABHOOT.> > > The chart is also given.Lagna is Vrishabha with Chandra,Surya in > > Simha Rashi,Budha in Kanya,Shukra and Rahu in Tula,Kuja in > > Makara,Shani in Kumbha, Guru in Meena and Ketu in Mesha rashi.> > > As per this,then we have 3 different charts.I am also searching > > for the accurate birth chart of Shri Krishna.Now if anybody can > > decode the above Sanskrit wordings and match with the chart > > mentioned above, then I feel that the chart is correct.> > > Just a few points. As per Nadi Technics, Guru is the

native as > > he is Jeeva Karaka and so here Guru in Meena Rashi indicates Lord > > Shri Mannarayanaya and Budha Uccha in Bhootattwa in opposition to > > Guru indicates the birth in this earth as a Avatara Purusha.Ketu in > > Mesha aspecting its previous house as he is retrograding indicates > > HE is a Yoga Purusha.Guru is hemmed between 2 malefics Ketu and > > Shani indicating HIS birth was in Bandhana.Shani in 12th to Guru > > indicates HE insisted Karma Yoga.Guru is in North direction whereas > > Chandra is in South direction, so HE is very handsome in look.Also > > Kuja and Guru are in opposite directions, so HE has got immense > > powers.Kuja can give miraculous powers in this position.Guru in > > connection with Chandra, Budha and Kuja made HIM a Pavaada > > Purusha.Patni Karaka Shukra is in Moola Trikona Sthana with Maya > > Karaka Rahu

indicates HE has a lot of wives and all these wives are > > following Bhakti Marga only and so HE married them.This is because of> > > Shani in Moola Trikona is in trine to Shukra and Rahu.Karma > > Karaka Shani in 12th to Jeeva Karaka Guru indicates HE is a great > > Philosopher also who gave this world the great Karma Yoga and Bhakti > > Yoga.There are still many Nadi secrets which I am still studying > > only to uncover such secrets.> > > In the above analysis, Janma Lagna is not taken into > > consideration and everything is considered from Guru only.> > > With Shri Hari Vaayu Guru Naama Smarana,> > > Ramadas Rao.> > > > > > Sanjay Prabhakaran sanjaychettiar@ wrote:> > > || Om Gurave Namah ||> > > > > > Dear Lakshmi,> > > > > > Kaalaprakaashika does not give the

Navamsha, It just gives the > > Panchanga and Rashi positions. Since it's a book on Muhurtha mostly > > it focused more on Panchanga. But this is the only classics where I > > could find description of Lord Krishna's chart. > > > > > > I would be interested to know if somebody else found more > > details. I think Bhavatam does not give Planetary positions, Mostly > > the Lagna, Month and Nakshatra at birth is given. > > > > > > > > > Warm Regards> > > Sanjay P> > > > > > > > > > > > On 7/31/06, B Lakshmi Ramesh b_lakshmi_ramesh@ > > > wrote: Om Gurave Namah> > > > > > Namaste Prabhakara,> > > > > > The chart given by you looks interesting. What's the birth data?> > > Is the navamsa chart available?> > >

> > > Regards,> > > Lakshmi> > > > > > sohamsa , "Sanjay Prabhakaran" > > > > > > > > > <sanjaychettiar@> wrote:> > > >> > > > || Om Gurave Namah ||> > > > Dear Robertji and Jyotishas,> > > > I also read another chart for Lord Krishna in Shree Jayanti > > > Chapter of> > > > KaalaPrakshika of Narasimhan acharya. The details of the chart > > are > > > in the> > > > following link, Please give your opinion on this one too,> > > > > > > > http://sanjayprabhakaran.blogspot.com/2005/11/shree-jayanti.html> > > > > > > > Panchanga at Birth is> > > > Nakshatra: Rohini 4th Pada> > > > Karana: Kaulava> >

> > Yoga: Harshana> > > > Tithi: Krishna Ashtami (K8)> > > > Vaara : Wednesday> > > > > > > > Taurus Lagna.> > > > > > > > Warm Regards> > > > Sanjay P> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 7/30/06, Robert Koch <rk@> wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Om Vishnave Namah> > > > >> > > > > The following is the birth data for Sri Krsna that I used in > > my > > > book *The> > > > > Spiritual Dimensions of Vedic Astrology *(I neglected to add > > it > > > at the end> > > > > of my last post):> > > > >> > > > > Sri Krsna> > > > > Natal Chart June 23, -3227 Time: > > > 23:42:35

Time> > > > > Zone: 5:10:00 (East of GMT) Place: 77 E 41' 00", 27 > > > N 25' 00"> > > > > Ayanamsa: 48-17-59.39> > > > >> > > > > The lagna should be 14Ta07.> > > > >> > > > > Best wishes,> > > > > Robert> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > At 12:48 PM 7/30/2006, you wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Om Vishnave Namah> > > > >> > > > > Dear Lakshmi,> > > > >> > > > > Namaste ~> > > > >> > > > > I had been away from the Sohamsa list for a few days, and thus > > > the delay> > > > > in responding to you. Thank you for your email and your kind > > > words> > >

> > regarding my book. It was my original desire that Jyotish > > > scholars such as> > > > > yourself would read and enjoy this book, and so your positive > > > feedback is> > > > > most encouraging.> > > > >> > > > > You've raised a very interesting question regarding the chart > > of > > > Lord Sri> > > > > Krsna as discussed in my book, and so let me respond to you as > > > follows:> > > > > First, I would say that the horoscopes of Avataras are most or > > > less symbolic> > > > > of much broader issues than the charts of ordinary humans are, > > > although> > > > > recorded events associated with Their Lilas are documented and > > > can also be> > > > > correlated to astrological principles in

certain ways. But for > > > the most> > > > > part, typical yogas, vargas, planetary positions and > > strengths, > > > and other> > > > > principles we use to study the charts of humans cannot, for > > > example, tell us> > > > > how Sri Krsna had 16,108 wives, or that he showed His mother > > the > > > entire> > > > > universe or Virata-rupa within his mouth! That being said, the > > > study of> > > > > charts of avataras is a fascinating study when we bear in mind > > > (1) the> > > > > transcendental nature of such personalities as described in > > Vedic> > > > > scriptures; and (2) we make such as study making use of > > > guidelines given in> > > > > classical texts such as Jataka Parijata, Prashna

Marga, BPHS, > > > etc.> > > > >> > > > > Now, in my book I referred to Jataka Parijata 4.97 in which > > some> > > > > astrological criteria for the charts of avataras was given. In > > > that text,> > > > > it is suggested that the Sun, Jupiter, and Mars should be in > > the > > > 9th house> > > > > from lagna or that they should aspect it; that the Navamsa > > they > > > occupy is> > > > > owned by the 9th house and also by Saturn (Cp and Aq) and that > > > they be in> > > > > vargottamamsa; and further, that the Moon, in strength, should > > > occupy the> > > > > lagna. Expansions on these points were given on page 363 of my > > > book, and my> > > > > conclusions were also made in

consultation with Pt. Sanjay > > Rath.> > > > >> > > > > The gist of Sri Krsna's chart is as follows [the data for the > > > chart I use> > > > > is given at the end of this email, for those who would like to > > > follow along> > > > > with this discuss. I recommend calculating this chart only > > with > > > the JHora> > > > > software, as other software will given different and erroneous > > > results]: In> > > > > the rasi chart, The Sun, Mars, and Jupiter all aspect the 9th > > > house, which> > > > > is the sign Capricorn, while the exalted Moon occupies the > > > lagna; in> > > > > Navamsa, the vargottama Moon occupies the lagna, while Jupiter > > > occupies the> > > > > 9th house. Mars

aspects the 9th house, while the Sun reaches > > > the 9th house> > > > > by way of Mercury's dispositorship. Now, why should the > > avatara > > > of Sri> > > > > Krsna - and incarnation of Vishnu - have Jupiter debilitated > > in > > > the 9th> > > > > house of the Dharmamsa chart? It is because the purpose of > > such > > > avataras is> > > > > to reinstate Dharma first of all; that such avataras appear > > > toward the end> > > > > of a yuga; and further that (according to shastras) the time > > at > > > which Sri> > > > > Krsna appeared was just prior to the onset of Kali-yuga. > > > *Jupiter's> > > > > neecha thus is not a reflection on Sri Krsna's dharma, but the > > > fact that his>

> > > > incarnation served to protect dharma at time when it was to > > > become very> > > > > compromised.> > > > >> > > > > *The Kali-yuga rasi is Capricorn. Thus if in the Navamsa chart > > > of Sri> > > > > Krsna Jupiter occupies Cp in the 9th house, it not only > > > satisfies part of> > > > > the criteria of Jataka Parijata for an avatara as given above, > > > but> > > > > especially of one who appears prior to the onset of the > > > dangerous age of> > > > > Kali. In Cp, Jupiter symbolizes a diminishing of the Tamasic > > > effects of> > > > > Mars and Saturn who are strong in that sign, and who tend to > > > reign in> > > > > Kali-yuga. Thus in Kali-yuga, or just prior to its occurrence, >

> > the avatara> > > > > protects dharma in the sign of Capricorn and in the 9th house, > > > as found in> > > > > the proposed Navamsa chart of Sri Krsna.> > > > >> > > > > As for the Shastiamsa chart of Sri Krsna, I cannot give any > > > commentary, as> > > > > to my knowledge there are no specific directives given in > > > classics for the> > > > > D-60 in charts of avataras.> > > > >> > > > > In summary, my point is that - while it is interesting to > > > correlate events> > > > > to the charts of such avataras - the overriding purpose of > > such > > > study is to> > > > > validate with linear models their superhuman purpose of > > > appearance as per> > > > > classical

texts. We can, in other words, never apply verbatim > > > the> > > > > principles given and study them in the identical ways that we > > > would to study> > > > > the charts of ordinary humans. Otherwise, how could child > > > Krsna lift an> > > > > entire mountain (Govardhana giri) with is pinky finger, when > > He > > > had Mars in> > > > > debilitation in his rasi chart?> > > > >> > > > > Thank you for raising some very interesting questions and > > points > > > of view.> > > > > I will be interested in hearing more of your feedback on this > > > subject. I> > > > > will be leaving town on Tuesday for the annual SJC conference > > in > > > California,> > > > > but I can respond to

you from my laptop as well.> > > > >> > > > > Best wishes and warm regards,> > > > > Robert> > > > >> > > > > At 03:45 AM 7/26/2006, you wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Om Gurave Namah> > > > >> > > > > Namaste Robert ji,> > > > >> > > > > First of all let me congratulate you on your excellent book. > > It > > > was> > > > > a great pleasure reading it.> > > > >> > > > > However, I do have a small doubt regarding the chart of Sri > > > Krishna.> > > > > In your book it is stated that in His chart, Jupiter is > > > debilitated> > > > > in 9th house, because Sri Krishna avatara was for the purpose > > of> > >

> > reinstating dharma. But, in this respect, I feel that the> > > > > debilitation of Sun or Jupiter, in the D-60 chart, would be a > > > more> > > > > logical pointer to the advent of an avatara (in any yuga), > > > because> > > > > these two planets indicate dharma and their fall would be the > > > cause> > > > > for Bhagavan's advent, as the Lord himself said "yada yada hi> > > > > dharmasya glaanirbhavathi Bhaarata". Libra, as the cardinal > > vayu> > > > > tattwa sign and the exaltation sign, is also intimately > > > connected to> > > > > Saturn.> > > > >> > > > > >From my perspective navamsa (as Dharmamsa) is the strength of > > > the> > > > > chart/planets/native, while shashtyamsa (d-60)

indicates the > > > karmic> > > > > seed of the present birth. Though all the results we reap in > > the> > > > > present birth are moderated/interpreted by the karma we > > accrued > > > in> > > > > the previous births, I do not think shashtyamsa has the over-> > > riding> > > > > power which navamsa/dharma, alone has.> > > > >> > > > > So, it is sort of inconceivable for me that Sri Krishna's > > navamsa> > > > > can have Sun or Jupiter in debilitation. In the navamsa chart > > > given> > > > > by Sri Raman, Jupiter is in Sagittarius (7th house) in navamsa,> > > > > while Sun is equally strong in 4th house…and I personally > > think> > > > > that's a more appropriate position….with

minor modifications.> > > > >> > > > > In Sri Rama's navamsa, I think neither Jupiter nor Sun is> > > > > debilitated. Same is the case with Chaitanya Mahaprabhu's > > > chart. In> > > > > Chaitanya Mahaprabhu's chart Sun is debilitated in D-60, as in > > > Swami> > > > > Vivekananda's chart. It may not be the case with the charts of> > > > > avadhutas.> > > > >> > > > > Requesting your inputs on the above.> > > > >> > > > > Regards,> > > > > Lakshmi> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> >

> > > > > > ! om tat sat !> > > > > Footnotes:> > > > > 1. Let us share our thoughts and knowledge like the Sun God > > > Surya shares> > > > > his light with the entire planet, without bias and without > > > emotions. Let us> > > > > rise in praise to that supreme significator of the soul of all > > > creatures.> > > > > 2. You don't have to reply if you feel that there is a waste > > of > > > energy.> > > > > Use the energy given by Surya well.> > > > > 3. This mail is just another view, and who else other than > > Surya > > > Himself> > > > > knows the perfect truth. So say - om tat sat.> > > > > 4. The contents above are the views of one individual and do > > not > > >

represent> > > > > the groups views nor that of the group owner.> > > > >

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|| Hare Rama Krsna ||

Dear Prafulla-ji,

Namaskar. Thank you for your note. I have these volumes.

Best wishes,

Sourav

===============================================================sohamsa , Prafulla Gang <jyotish wrote:>> Dear Saurav ji> > Sorry for jumping into the thread:> > Deva Keralam - english translation by Late Shri Santhanam (Vol I, II, III) > > regards / Prafulla Gang> > Lincoln studied by the light of a fireplace. Mozart composed by candlelight. Galileo invented by oil lamp. Didn't they ever think to do their work during the daytime?> > > > > > souravc108 > Tue, 01 Aug 2006 20:55:41 -0000> > sohamsa > > Re: Data used for the horoscope of Sri Krsna> > > > > > || Hare Rama Krsna ||> > > > Dear Sri Ramadas-ji,> > > > Pranam. Sorry to digress, but you> > fluidly use Nadi techniques. Can you kindly educate me about some books> > which I can follow to learn techniques ? I do not know how to read South> > Indian languages.> > > > Best wishes,> > > > Sourav> > > > =================================================================> > sohamsa , Ramadas Rao ramadasrao@ wrote:> >> > >> OM SHRI RAGHAVENDRAAYA NAMAH> >> OM NAMO NARAYANAYA> >> Dear Lakshmi Ji,> >> I agree with your point about Guru and Shani be connected with each> > other.So when the actual horoscope is made,I strongly feel that either> > Guru is in Uttarabadhra Nakshtra ruled by Shani or Shani is in> > Poorvabadhra Pada Nakshatra ruled by Guru.> >> In my explanation,I forgotten to write something more.kuja is the> > Karaka for brother and as he is exalted and is in trine with exalted> > Budha nad this Budha is being aspected by Rahu who is in Tula .This> > indicates that HIS brother who is very strong and courageous holding> > Halayudha represented by exalted Kuja in Makara Rashi and is an Avatara> > of Shesha Naaga which is represented by Rahu aspecting exalted Budha.(> > Bala Rama )> >> Nadi secrets are difficult to interpret but I am trying to read such> > difficult charts.I also have the chart of Markandeya which is given in> > Nadi book.I will interpret that chart whenever I am free.> >> With Shri Hari Vaayu Guru Naama Smarana,> >> Ramadas Rao.> >> > >> B Lakshmi Ramesh b_lakshmi_ramesh@ wrote:> >> Om Gurave namah> >> > >> Namaste Ramdas Raoji,> >> > >> Brilliant explanation. Thanks for taking the discussion forward.> >> This thread is greatly strengthened by the participation of> >> stalwarts like Sanjay ji, Goel ji, yourself and Prabhakara, and I am> >> learning all the time:--))> >> > >> I would have very much liked to do the timing of the data given by> >> you, but in my system, jhora is hanging whenever I give a B.C. date.> >> I remember Vishnu Jandhyala once told me that if I install the full> >> version of jhora, this problem would be overcome and he had sent me> >> the version too. It is my mistake that I had not done so> >> immediately, because now I can't trace that CD among the hundreds of> >> CDs in the house…all seeming to contain FIFAs and NHLs:--(( But I> >> guess I need not worry, because our other friends would have, by> >> now, isolated the probable dates.> >> > >> The configuration given by you puts 7 planets in own/exaltation> >> signs in Sri Krishna's Chart. That's indeed the chart of a maha> >> purusha. But I do have one doubt. Such a formidable array of planets> >> would have conferred a great kingdom on him, but I think He chose to> >> remain a prince, while Balarama became the king. Perhaps this> >> secondary role, in the material sense, is attributable to the fact> >> that He is the lunar incarnation. I also feel that there should be> >> a connection between Saturn & Jupiter in his chart. I mean,> >> Bhagavadgita is Brahmavidya, an unparalleled exposition of> >> philosophical wisdom, and that would necessitate the influence of> >> both planets on His mind and intellect. He's also the Yogeeshwara,> >> the ultimate Parivrajaka, so Saturn must influence his 4th> >> house/lord as well. This is so in the case of both Sri Rama, Buddha> >> and Krishna Chaitanya. What do you feel?> >> > >> Regards,> >> Lakshmi> >> > >> sohamsa , Ramadas Rao ramadasrao@ wrote:> >>> > >>> OM SHRI RAGHAVENDRAAYA NAMAH> >>> OM NAMO NARAYANAYA> >>> Dear Sanjay P and Lakshmi Ji,> >>> May be 2-3 years before in VA list I provided Shri Krishna's> >> horoscope which is written in Sanskrit which will be chanted by the> >> Swami Ji who performs Pooja on Shri Krishna Ashtami day in Udipi.The> >> Horoscope chanting is special on the birth day of Shri Krishna.Here> >> again I provide the same Sanskrit Shlokas and one of you or anybody> >> who is expert in calculating to present B.C. years can decode it.:> >>> SWASTI SHRI MADBHAGAVATO MAHAPURUSHASYA PRAVARTAMAANASYA> >> BRAHMANAH DWITEEYA PRARAARDHE SHWETAVARAAHA KALPE> >> VAIVASVATAMANVANTARE ASHTAAVIMSHATITAME MAHAAYUGAANTARGATA> >> DVAAPARAYUGASYA 8,63,900 NAVA SHATTYUTTARA TRISHASHTI> >> SAHASRAADHIKAASHTALAKSHAANI,SHESHADWAAPARA YUGA VARSHAANI 100> >> EKASHATAANI TADAA PRAVARTAMAANE VIRODHI NAAMA SAMVATASARA> >> DAKSHINAAYANE VARSHA RUTAOU SHRAAVANA MAASE KRISHNA PAKSHE ASHTAMI> >> TITHAOU,BUDHAVAASARE 50.44,ROHINI 52.51,VAJRA YOGA 53.20,BAVA KARANA> >> 27 ; EVAM PANCHAANGA SHUDDHESMIN DINE SHRI MAARTHAANDA> >> MANDALAARDHODAYAAT GATAGHATIKAA :455 ,VRISHABHA LAGNODAYE PUNYODAYA> >> VELAAYAAM JAMBUDVIPE BHARATAKHANDE YAMUNAATIRE SHRI> >> MANMATHURAANAGARA SHRI SOMAVAMSHOTPANNA SHURASENA RAAJAATMAJA SHRI> >> VASUDEVARAAJA VIRAAJAMAANSTASYA GRUHE,YAA SAUBHAAGYAADYAKHILAGUNA> >> SAMPANNAA DEVAKI TASYAAH UDARE KAARAAGRUHE ASHTAMA PUTRASYA SHRI> >> KRISHNASYA JANMAABHOOT.> >>> The chart is also given.Lagna is Vrishabha with Chandra,Surya in> >> Simha Rashi,Budha in Kanya,Shukra and Rahu in Tula,Kuja in> >> Makara,Shani in Kumbha, Guru in Meena and Ketu in Mesha rashi.> >>> As per this,then we have 3 different charts.I am also searching> >> for the accurate birth chart of Shri Krishna.Now if anybody can> >> decode the above Sanskrit wordings and match with the chart> >> mentioned above, then I feel that the chart is correct.> >>> Just a few points. As per Nadi Technics, Guru is the native as> >> he is Jeeva Karaka and so here Guru in Meena Rashi indicates Lord> >> Shri Mannarayanaya and Budha Uccha in Bhootattwa in opposition to> >> Guru indicates the birth in this earth as a Avatara Purusha.Ketu in> >> Mesha aspecting its previous house as he is retrograding indicates> >> HE is a Yoga Purusha.Guru is hemmed between 2 malefics Ketu and> >> Shani indicating HIS birth was in Bandhana.Shani in 12th to Guru> >> indicates HE insisted Karma Yoga.Guru is in North direction whereas> >> Chandra is in South direction, so HE is very handsome in look.Also> >> Kuja and Guru are in opposite directions, so HE has got immense> >> powers.Kuja can give miraculous powers in this position.Guru in> >> connection with Chandra, Budha and Kuja made HIM a Pavaada> >> Purusha.Patni Karaka Shukra is in Moola Trikona Sthana with Maya> >> Karaka Rahu indicates HE has a lot of wives and all these wives are> >> following Bhakti Marga only and so HE married them.This is because of> >>> Shani in Moola Trikona is in trine to Shukra and Rahu.Karma> >> Karaka Shani in 12th to Jeeva Karaka Guru indicates HE is a great> >> Philosopher also who gave this world the great Karma Yoga and Bhakti> >> Yoga.There are still many Nadi secrets which I am still studying> >> only to uncover such secrets.> >>> In the above analysis, Janma Lagna is not taken into> >> consideration and everything is considered from Guru only.> >>> With Shri Hari Vaayu Guru Naama Smarana,> >>> Ramadas Rao.> >>> > >>> Sanjay Prabhakaran sanjaychettiar@ wrote:> >>> || Om Gurave Namah ||> >>> > >>> Dear Lakshmi,> >>> > >>> Kaalaprakaashika does not give the Navamsha, It just gives the> >> Panchanga and Rashi positions. Since it's a book on Muhurtha mostly> >> it focused more on Panchanga. But this is the only classics where I> >> could find description of Lord Krishna's chart.> >>> > >>> I would be interested to know if somebody else found more> >> details. I think Bhavatam does not give Planetary positions, Mostly> >> the Lagna, Month and Nakshatra at birth is given.> >>> > >>> > >>> Warm Regards> >>> Sanjay P> >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> On 7/31/06, B Lakshmi Ramesh b_lakshmi_ramesh@ >> >> wrote: Om Gurave Namah> >>> > >>> Namaste Prabhakara,> >>> > >>> The chart given by you looks interesting. What's the birth data?> >>> Is the navamsa chart available?> >>> > >>> Regards,> >>> Lakshmi> >>> > >>> sohamsa , "Sanjay Prabhakaran"> >>> > >>> > >>> <sanjaychettiar@> wrote:> >>>> > >>>> || Om Gurave Namah ||> >>>> Dear Robertji and Jyotishas,> >>>> I also read another chart for Lord Krishna in Shree Jayanti> >>> Chapter of> >>>> KaalaPrakshika of Narasimhan acharya. The details of the chart> >> are> >>> in the> >>>> following link, Please give your opinion on this one too,> >>>> > >>>> http://sanjayprabhakaran.blogspot.com/2005/11/shree-jayanti.html> >>>> > >>>> Panchanga at Birth is> >>>> Nakshatra: Rohini 4th Pada> >>>> Karana: Kaulava> >>>> Yoga: Harshana> >>>> Tithi: Krishna Ashtami (K8)> >>>> Vaara : Wednesday> >>>> > >>>> Taurus Lagna.> >>>> > >>>> Warm Regards> >>>> Sanjay P> >>>> > >>>> > >>> > >>>> On 7/30/06, Robert Koch <rk@> wrote:> >>>>> > >>>>> Om Vishnave Namah> >>>>> > >>>>> The following is the birth data for Sri Krsna that I used in> >> my> >>> book *The> >>>>> Spiritual Dimensions of Vedic Astrology *(I neglected to add> >> it> >>> at the end> >>>>> of my last post):> >>>>> > >>>>> Sri Krsna> >>>>> Natal Chart June 23, -3227 Time:> >>> 23:42:35 Time> >>>>> Zone: 5:10:00 (East of GMT) Place: 77 E 41' 00", 27> >>> N 25' 00"> >>>>> Ayanamsa: 48-17-59.39> >>>>> > >>>>> The lagna should be 14Ta07.> >>>>> > >>>>> Best wishes,> >>>>> Robert> >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> At 12:48 PM 7/30/2006, you wrote:> >>>>> > >>>>> Om Vishnave Namah> >>>>> > >>>>> Dear Lakshmi,> >>>>> > >>>>> Namaste ~> >>>>> > >>>>> I had been away from the Sohamsa list for a few days, and thus> >>> the delay> >>>>> in responding to you. Thank you for your email and your kind> >>> words> >>>>> regarding my book. It was my original desire that Jyotish> >>> scholars such as> >>>>> yourself would read and enjoy this book, and so your positive> >>> feedback is> >>>>> most encouraging.> >>>>> > >>>>> You've raised a very interesting question regarding the chart> >> of> >>> Lord Sri> >>>>> Krsna as discussed in my book, and so let me respond to you as> >>> follows:> >>>>> First, I would say that the horoscopes of Avataras are most or> >>> less symbolic> >>>>> of much broader issues than the charts of ordinary humans are,> >>> although> >>>>> recorded events associated with Their Lilas are documented and> >>> can also be> >>>>> correlated to astrological principles in certain ways. But for> >>> the most> >>>>> part, typical yogas, vargas, planetary positions and> >> strengths,> >>> and other> >>>>> principles we use to study the charts of humans cannot, for> >>> example, tell us> >>>>> how Sri Krsna had 16,108 wives, or that he showed His mother> >> the> >>> entire> >>>>> universe or Virata-rupa within his mouth! That being said, the> >>> study of> >>>>> charts of avataras is a fascinating study when we bear in mind> >>> (1) the> >>>>> transcendental nature of such personalities as described in> >> Vedic> >>>>> scriptures; and (2) we make such as study making use of> >>> guidelines given in> >>>>> classical texts such as Jataka Parijata, Prashna Marga, BPHS,> >>> etc.> >>>>> > >>>>> Now, in my book I referred to Jataka Parijata 4.97 in which> >> some> >>>>> astrological criteria for the charts of avataras was given. In> >>> that text,> >>>>> it is suggested that the Sun, Jupiter, and Mars should be in> >> the> >>> 9th house> >>>>> from lagna or that they should aspect it; that the Navamsa> >> they> >>> occupy is> >>>>> owned by the 9th house and also by Saturn (Cp and Aq) and that> >>> they be in> >>>>> vargottamamsa; and further, that the Moon, in strength, should> >>> occupy the> >>>>> lagna. Expansions on these points were given on page 363 of my> >>> book, and my> >>>>> conclusions were also made in consultation with Pt. Sanjay> >> Rath.> >>>>> > >>>>> The gist of Sri Krsna's chart is as follows [the data for the> >>> chart I use> >>>>> is given at the end of this email, for those who would like to> >>> follow along> >>>>> with this discuss. I recommend calculating this chart only> >> with> >>> the JHora> >>>>> software, as other software will given different and erroneous> >>> results]: In> >>>>> the rasi chart, The Sun, Mars, and Jupiter all aspect the 9th> >>> house, which> >>>>> is the sign Capricorn, while the exalted Moon occupies the> >>> lagna; in> >>>>> Navamsa, the vargottama Moon occupies the lagna, while Jupiter> >>> occupies the> >>>>> 9th house. Mars aspects the 9th house, while the Sun reaches> >>> the 9th house> >>>>> by way of Mercury's dispositorship. Now, why should the> >> avatara> >>> of Sri> >>>>> Krsna - and incarnation of Vishnu - have Jupiter debilitated> >> in> >>> the 9th> >>>>> house of the Dharmamsa chart? It is because the purpose of> >> such> >>> avataras is> >>>>> to reinstate Dharma first of all; that such avataras appear> >>> toward the end> >>>>> of a yuga; and further that (according to shastras) the time> >> at> >>> which Sri> >>>>> Krsna appeared was just prior to the onset of Kali-yuga.> >>> *Jupiter's> >>>>> neecha thus is not a reflection on Sri Krsna's dharma, but the> >>> fact that his> >>>>> incarnation served to protect dharma at time when it was to> >>> become very> >>>>> compromised.> >>>>> > >>>>> *The Kali-yuga rasi is Capricorn. Thus if in the Navamsa chart> >>> of Sri> >>>>> Krsna Jupiter occupies Cp in the 9th house, it not only> >>> satisfies part of> >>>>> the criteria of Jataka Parijata for an avatara as given above,> >>> but> >>>>> especially of one who appears prior to the onset of the> >>> dangerous age of> >>>>> Kali. In Cp, Jupiter symbolizes a diminishing of the Tamasic> >>> effects of> >>>>> Mars and Saturn who are strong in that sign, and who tend to> >>> reign in> >>>>> Kali-yuga. Thus in Kali-yuga, or just prior to its occurrence,> >>> the avatara> >>>>> protects dharma in the sign of Capricorn and in the 9th house,> >>> as found in> >>>>> the proposed Navamsa chart of Sri Krsna.> >>>>> > >>>>> As for the Shastiamsa chart of Sri Krsna, I cannot give any> >>> commentary, as> >>>>> to my knowledge there are no specific directives given in> >>> classics for the> >>>>> D-60 in charts of avataras.> >>>>> > >>>>> In summary, my point is that - while it is interesting to> >>> correlate events> >>>>> to the charts of such avataras - the overriding purpose of> >> such> >>> study is to> >>>>> validate with linear models their superhuman purpose of> >>> appearance as per> >>>>> classical texts. We can, in other words, never apply verbatim> >>> the> >>>>> principles given and study them in the identical ways that we> >>> would to study> >>>>> the charts of ordinary humans. Otherwise, how could child> >>> Krsna lift an> >>>>> entire mountain (Govardhana giri) with is pinky finger, when> >> He> >>> had Mars in> >>>>> debilitation in his rasi chart?> >>>>> > >>>>> Thank you for raising some very interesting questions and> >> points> >>> of view.> >>>>> I will be interested in hearing more of your feedback on this> >>> subject. I> >>>>> will be leaving town on Tuesday for the annual SJC conference> >> in> >>> California,> >>>>> but I can respond to you from my laptop as well.> >>>>> > >>>>> Best wishes and warm regards,> >>>>> Robert> >>>>> > >>>>> At 03:45 AM 7/26/2006, you wrote:> >>>>> > >>>>> Om Gurave Namah> >>>>> > >>>>> Namaste Robert ji,> >>>>> > >>>>> First of all let me congratulate you on your excellent book.> >> It> >>> was> >>>>> a great pleasure reading it.> >>>>> > >>>>> However, I do have a small doubt regarding the chart of Sri> >>> Krishna.> >>>>> In your book it is stated that in His chart, Jupiter is> >>> debilitated> >>>>> in 9th house, because Sri Krishna avatara was for the purpose> >> of> >>>>> reinstating dharma. But, in this respect, I feel that the> >>>>> debilitation of Sun or Jupiter, in the D-60 chart, would be a> >>> more> >>>>> logical pointer to the advent of an avatara (in any yuga),> >>> because> >>>>> these two planets indicate dharma and their fall would be the> >>> cause> >>>>> for Bhagavan's advent, as the Lord himself said "yada yada hi> >>>>> dharmasya glaanirbhavathi Bhaarata". Libra, as the cardinal> >> vayu> >>>>> tattwa sign and the exaltation sign, is also intimately> >>> connected to> >>>>> Saturn.> >>>>> > >>>>> >From my perspective navamsa (as Dharmamsa) is the strength of> >>> the> >>>>> chart/planets/native, while shashtyamsa (d-60) indicates the> >>> karmic> >>>>> seed of the present birth. Though all the results we reap in> >> the> >>>>> present birth are moderated/interpreted by the karma we> >> accrued> >>> in> >>>>> the previous births, I do not think shashtyamsa has the over-> >>> riding> >>>>> power which navamsa/dharma, alone has.> >>>>> > >>>>> So, it is sort of inconceivable for me that Sri Krishna's> >> navamsa> >>>>> can have Sun or Jupiter in debilitation. In the navamsa chart> >>> given> >>>>> by Sri Raman, Jupiter is in Sagittarius (7th house) in navamsa,> >>>>> while Sun is equally strong in 4th house…and I personally> >> think> >>>>> that's a more appropriate position….with minor> > modifications.> >>>>> > >>>>> In Sri Rama's navamsa, I think neither Jupiter nor Sun is> >>>>> debilitated. Same is the case with Chaitanya Mahaprabhu's> >>> chart. In> >>>>> Chaitanya Mahaprabhu's chart Sun is debilitated in D-60, as in> >>> Swami> >>>>> Vivekananda's chart. It may not be the case with the charts of> >>>>> avadhutas.> >>>>> > >>>>> Requesting your inputs on the above.> >>>>> > >>>>> Regards,> >>>>> Lakshmi> >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>> > >>>>> ! om tat sat !> >>>>> Footnotes:> >>>>> 1. Let us share our thoughts and knowledge like the Sun God> >>> Surya shares> >>>>> his light with the entire planet, without bias and without> >>> emotions. Let us> >>>>> rise in praise to that supreme significator of the soul of all> >>> creatures.> >>>>> 2. You don't have to reply if you feel that there is a waste> >> of> >>> energy.> >>>>> Use the energy given by Surya well.> >>>>> 3. This mail is just another view, and who else other than> >> Surya> >>> Himself> >>>>> knows the perfect truth. So say - om tat sat.> >>>>> 4. The contents above are the views of one individual and do> >> not> >>> represent> >>>>> the groups views nor that of the group owner.> >>>>>

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Dear Guruji,

Can Krishna's birth details be computed from this death time

information and open domain planetary configuration of birth time

be verified ?

Regards

Avinash

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Chronology

A paper presented recently at a convention in Prabhas Patan near

Somnath, concludes that Krishna died at the age of 125 on February

18, 3102 BC at 14:27:30 hours on the banks of river Hiran in Prabhas

Patan. As the report goes, he was 125 years, 7 months and 6 days old

when he left the earth for his divine abode Goloka.

 

http://experts.about.com/e/k/kr/Krishna.htm

 

 

 

 

sohamsa , " Sanjay Rath " <sanjayrath wrote:

>

> om namo bhagavate vasudevaya

> Dear Sanjay P

> I think that is not advisable. If we are using one ayanamsa then

we should

> continue to use it for all purposes. We cannot use one ayanamsa

for one

> chart and another for another chart and say that Jyotish that we

do is

> right!

> Secondly the Sri Jayanti should be around a century before the

begining of

> Kali Yuga which has been estimated at 3128 BC. So even if we allow

for

> errors in dates by a few years, we should be searching in the

range of 3300

> to 3200 BC.

>

> I took the Saturn & Jupiter positions and made the chart (I have

done this

> earlier also before arrving at the chart I do now - Narasimha has

done

> tremendous work on this searching for charts). The only option

available for

> the data given by Sri Narasimhan Acharya is given below and

positions of

> the nodes and some planets are quite off the mark. Lagnesa Venus is

> debilitated and there are some other combinations due to which I

rejected

> this chart outright. Giving the data for your study.

>

> ----Narasimhan Acharya Krishna Chart (Actual date based on Saturn,

Jupiter,

> Sun, Moon and Lagna) ----------

> Sri Krishna (-3229 BC)

>

> Natal Chart

>

> June 17, -3229

> Time: 11:45:00 pm

> Time Zone: 4:38:00 (East of GMT)

> Place: 69 E 36' 00 " , 21 N 38' 00 "

> Altitude: 0.00 meters

>

> Lunar Yr-Mo: Prajapati - Sravana

> Tithi: Krishna Navami (Su) (69.57% left)

> Vedic Weekday: Monday (Mo)

> Nakshatra: Rohini (Mo) (13.84% left)

> Yoga: Harshana (Su) (25.06% left)

> Karana: Taitula (Me) (39.15% left)

> Hora Lord: Sun (5 min sign: Aq)

> Mahakala Hora: Mars (5 min sign: Cp)

> Kaala Lord: Moon (Mahakala: Saturn)

>

> Sunrise: 5:07:42 am

> Sunset: 6:35:55 pm

> Janma Ghatis: 46.5541

>

> Ayanamsa: 48-19-40.94

> Sidereal Time: 17:24:45

>

> ----------- Sanjay Rath Chart data for Sri Krishna Jayanti--------

> Sri Krishna (3228 BC)

>

> June 23, -3227

> Time: 11:45:00 pm

> Time Zone: 4:38:00 (East of GMT)

> Place: 69 E 36' 00 " , 21 N 38' 00 "

> Altitude: 0.00 meters

>

> Lunar Yr-Mo: Sreemukha - Sravana

> Tithi: Krishna Ashtami (Ra) (64.08% left)

> Vedic Weekday: Thursday (Ju)

> Nakshatra: Rohini (Mo) (51.45% left)

> Yoga: Harshana (Su) (15.23% left)

> Karana: Balava (Mo) (28.16% left)

> Hora Lord: Mercury (5 min sign: Cp)

> Mahakala Hora: Venus (5 min sign: Aq)

> Kaala Lord: Jupiter (Mahakala: Mars)

>

> Sunrise: 5:09:19 am

> Sunset: 6:38:18 pm

> Janma Ghatis: 46.4869

>

> Ayanamsa: 48-17-59.39

> Sidereal Time: 17:50:26

> --------------

>

> With best wishes and warm regards,

> Sanjay Rath

> * * *

> Sri Jagannath CenterR

> 15B Gangaram Hospital Road

> New Delhi 110060, India

> <http://srath.com/> http://srath.com, +91-11-25717162

> * * *

>

>

> _____

>

> sohamsa [sohamsa ] On

Behalf Of

> Sanjay Prabhakaran

> Monday, July 31, 2006 8:08 AM

> sohamsa

> Re: Re: Data used for the horoscope of Sri Krsna

>

>

> || Om Gurave Namah ||

>

> Dear Guruji,

>

> Thank you! for the reality check. But I have few questions. Since

I do not

> have immediate software I may have to ask you or someone who has

it.

>

> I am sure you must have checked with all approximate values for

Lahiri

> Ayanamsha. But, I was wondering can if the chart could be arrived

by doing

> +/-30 degree to that value. My reasoning is based on your teaching

that

> current Yuga is Capricorn, and yuga cycle goes in reverse. If Lord

Krishna

> was born in Treta Yuga, then his its ruled by Aquarius, Hence I was

> wondering can we do a 30 degree (+/-) correction to get charts of

Treta

> Yuga?.

>

> My thoughts may be wrong, please give me your direction.

>

> Warm Regards

> Sanjay P

>

>

>

>

>

> On 7/31/06, Sanjay Rath <sanjayrath wrote:

om namo bhagavate vasudevaya

>

> Dear Sanjay P

> There is NOT a single date between 2006AD and 21000 BC where this

planetary

> formation occurs. Do you think Krishna appeared in this planet

before Rama?

> With best wishes and warm regards,

> Sanjay Rath

> * * *

> Sri Jagannath CenterR

> 15B Gangaram Hospital Road

> New Delhi 110060, India

> <http://srath.com/> http://srath.com , +91-11-25717162

> * * *

>

>

> _____

>

> sohamsa [sohamsa ] On

Behalf Of

> Sanjay Prabhakaran

> Monday, July 31, 2006 6:55 AM

> sohamsa

> Re: Re: Data used for the horoscope of Sri Krsna

>

>

>

> || Om Gurave Namah ||

>

> Dear Lakshmi,

>

> Kaalaprakaashika does not give the Navamsha, It just gives the

Panchanga

> and Rashi positions. Since it's a book on Muhurtha mostly it

focused more on

> Panchanga. But this is the only classics where I could find

description of

> Lord Krishna's chart.

>

> I would be interested to know if somebody else found more

details. I think

> Bhavatam does not give Planetary positions, Mostly the Lagna,

Month and

> Nakshatra at birth is given.

>

>

> Warm Regards

> Sanjay P

>

>

>

>

> On 7/31/06, B Lakshmi Ramesh <b_lakshmi_ramesh

> <b_lakshmi_ramesh > wrote:

>

> Om Gurave Namah

>

> Namaste Prabhakara,

>

> The chart given by you looks interesting. What's the birth data?

> Is the navamsa chart available?

>

> Regards,

> Lakshmi

>

> sohamsa <sohamsa%

40> , " Sanjay

> Prabhakaran "

>

>

> <sanjaychettiar@> wrote:

> >

> > || Om Gurave Namah ||

> > Dear Robertji and Jyotishas,

> > I also read another chart for Lord Krishna in Shree Jayanti

> Chapter of

> > KaalaPrakshika of Narasimhan acharya. The details of the chart

are

> in the

> > following link, Please give your opinion on this one too,

> >

> > http://sanjayprabhakaran.blogspot.com/2005/11/shree-jayanti.html

> <http://sanjayprabhakaran.blogspot.com/2005/11/shree-jayanti.html>

> >

> > Panchanga at Birth is

> > Nakshatra: Rohini 4th Pada

> > Karana: Kaulava

> > Yoga: Harshana

> > Tithi: Krishna Ashtami (K8)

> > Vaara : Wednesday

> >

> > Taurus Lagna.

> >

> > Warm Regards

> > Sanjay P

> >

> >

>

> > On 7/30/06, Robert Koch <rk@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Om Vishnave Namah

> > >

> > > The following is the birth data for Sri Krsna that I used in

my

> book *The

> > > Spiritual Dimensions of Vedic Astrology *(I neglected to add

it

> at the end

> > > of my last post):

> > >

> > > Sri Krsna

> > > Natal Chart June 23, -3227 Time:

> 23:42:35 Time

> > > Zone: 5:10:00 (East of GMT) Place: 77 E 41' 00 " , 27

> N 25' 00 "

> > > Ayanamsa: 48-17-59.39

> > >

> > > The lagna should be 14Ta07.

> > >

> > > Best wishes,

> > > Robert

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > At 12:48 PM 7/30/2006, you wrote:

> > >

> > > Om Vishnave Namah

> > >

> > > Dear Lakshmi,

> > >

> > > Namaste ~

> > >

> > > I had been away from the Sohamsa list for a few days, and thus

> the delay

> > > in responding to you. Thank you for your email and your kind

> words

> > > regarding my book. It was my original desire that Jyotish

> scholars such as

> > > yourself would read and enjoy this book, and so your positive

> feedback is

> > > most encouraging.

> > >

> > > You've raised a very interesting question regarding the chart

of

> Lord Sri

> > > Krsna as discussed in my book, and so let me respond to you as

> follows:

> > > First, I would say that the horoscopes of Avataras are most or

> less symbolic

> > > of much broader issues than the charts of ordinary humans are,

> although

> > > recorded events associated with Their Lilas are documented and

> can also be

> > > correlated to astrological principles in certain ways. But for

> the most

> > > part, typical yogas, vargas, planetary positions and

strengths,

> and other

> > > principles we use to study the charts of humans cannot, for

> example, tell us

> > > how Sri Krsna had 16,108 wives, or that he showed His mother

the

> entire

> > > universe or Virata-rupa within his mouth! That being said, the

> study of

> > > charts of avataras is a fascinating study when we bear in mind

> (1) the

> > > transcendental nature of such personalities as described in

Vedic

> > > scriptures; and (2) we make such as study making use of

> guidelines given in

> > > classical texts such as Jataka Parijata, Prashna Marga, BPHS,

> etc.

> > >

> > > Now, in my book I referred to Jataka Parijata 4.97 in which

some

> > > astrological criteria for the charts of avataras was given. In

> that text,

> > > it is suggested that the Sun, Jupiter, and Mars should be in

the

> 9th house

> > > from lagna or that they should aspect it; that the Navamsa

they

> occupy is

> > > owned by the 9th house and also by Saturn (Cp and Aq) and that

> they be in

> > > vargottamamsa; and further, that the Moon, in strength, should

> occupy the

> > > lagna. Expansions on these points were given on page 363 of my

> book, and my

> > > conclusions were also made in consultation with Pt. Sanjay

Rath.

> > >

> > > The gist of Sri Krsna's chart is as follows [the data for the

> chart I use

> > > is given at the end of this email, for those who would like to

> follow along

> > > with this discuss. I recommend calculating this chart only

with

> the JHora

> > > software, as other software will given different and erroneous

> results]: In

> > > the rasi chart, The Sun, Mars, and Jupiter all aspect the 9th

> house, which

> > > is the sign Capricorn, while the exalted Moon occupies the

> lagna; in

> > > Navamsa, the vargottama Moon occupies the lagna, while Jupiter

> occupies the

> > > 9th house. Mars aspects the 9th house, while the Sun reaches

> the 9th house

> > > by way of Mercury's dispositorship. Now, why should the

avatara

> of Sri

> > > Krsna - and incarnation of Vishnu - have Jupiter debilitated

in

> the 9th

> > > house of the Dharmamsa chart? It is because the purpose of

such

> avataras is

> > > to reinstate Dharma first of all; that such avataras appear

> toward the end

> > > of a yuga; and further that (according to shastras) the time

at

> which Sri

> > > Krsna appeared was just prior to the onset of Kali-yuga.

> *Jupiter's

> > > neecha thus is not a reflection on Sri Krsna's dharma, but the

> fact that his

> > > incarnation served to protect dharma at time when it was to

> become very

> > > compromised.

> > >

> > > *The Kali-yuga rasi is Capricorn. Thus if in the Navamsa chart

> of Sri

> > > Krsna Jupiter occupies Cp in the 9th house, it not only

> satisfies part of

> > > the criteria of Jataka Parijata for an avatara as given above,

> but

> > > especially of one who appears prior to the onset of the

> dangerous age of

> > > Kali. In Cp, Jupiter symbolizes a diminishing of the Tamasic

> effects of

> > > Mars and Saturn who are strong in that sign, and who tend to

> reign in

> > > Kali-yuga. Thus in Kali-yuga, or just prior to its occurrence,

> the avatara

> > > protects dharma in the sign of Capricorn and in the 9th house,

> as found in

> > > the proposed Navamsa chart of Sri Krsna.

> > >

> > > As for the Shastiamsa chart of Sri Krsna, I cannot give any

> commentary, as

> > > to my knowledge there are no specific directives given in

> classics for the

> > > D-60 in charts of avataras.

> > >

> > > In summary, my point is that - while it is interesting to

> correlate events

> > > to the charts of such avataras - the overriding purpose of

such

> study is to

> > > validate with linear models their superhuman purpose of

> appearance as per

> > > classical texts. We can, in other words, never apply verbatim

> the

> > > principles given and study them in the identical ways that we

> would to study

> > > the charts of ordinary humans. Otherwise, how could child

> Krsna lift an

> > > entire mountain (Govardhana giri) with is pinky finger, when

He

> had Mars in

> > > debilitation in his rasi chart?

> > >

> > > Thank you for raising some very interesting questions and

points

> of view.

> > > I will be interested in hearing more of your feedback on this

> subject. I

> > > will be leaving town on Tuesday for the annual SJC conference

in

> California,

> > > but I can respond to you from my laptop as well.

> > >

> > > Best wishes and warm regards,

> > > Robert

> > >

> > > At 03:45 AM 7/26/2006, you wrote:

> > >

> > > Om Gurave Namah

> > >

> > > Namaste Robert ji,

> > >

> > > First of all let me congratulate you on your excellent book.

It

> was

> > > a great pleasure reading it.

> > >

> > > However, I do have a small doubt regarding the chart of Sri

> Krishna.

> > > In your book it is stated that in His chart, Jupiter is

> debilitated

> > > in 9th house, because Sri Krishna avatara was for the purpose

of

> > > reinstating dharma. But, in this respect, I feel that the

> > > debilitation of Sun or Jupiter, in the D-60 chart, would be a

> more

> > > logical pointer to the advent of an avatara (in any yuga),

> because

> > > these two planets indicate dharma and their fall would be the

> cause

> > > for Bhagavan's advent, as the Lord himself said " yada yada hi

> > > dharmasya glaanirbhavathi Bhaarata " . Libra, as the cardinal

vayu

> > > tattwa sign and the exaltation sign, is also intimately

> connected to

> > > Saturn.

> > >

> > > >From my perspective navamsa (as Dharmamsa) is the strength of

> the

> > > chart/planets/native, while shashtyamsa (d-60) indicates the

> karmic

> > > seed of the present birth. Though all the results we reap in

the

> > > present birth are moderated/interpreted by the karma we

accrued

> in

> > > the previous births, I do not think shashtyamsa has the over-

> riding

> > > power which navamsa/dharma, alone has.

> > >

> > > So, it is sort of inconceivable for me that Sri Krishna's

navamsa

> > > can have Sun or Jupiter in debilitation. In the navamsa chart

> given

> > > by Sri Raman, Jupiter is in Sagittarius (7th house) in navamsa,

> > > while Sun is equally strong in 4th house.and I personally think

> > > that's a more appropriate position..with minor modifications.

> > >

> > > In Sri Rama's navamsa, I think neither Jupiter nor Sun is

> > > debilitated. Same is the case with Chaitanya Mahaprabhu's

> chart. In

> > > Chaitanya Mahaprabhu's chart Sun is debilitated in D-60, as in

> Swami

> > > Vivekananda's chart. It may not be the case with the charts of

> > > avadhutas.

> > >

> > > Requesting your inputs on the above.

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > > Lakshmi

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

>

> > > ! om tat sat !

> > > Footnotes:

> > > 1. Let us share our thoughts and knowledge like the Sun God

> Surya shares

> > > his light with the entire planet, without bias and without

> emotions. Let us

> > > rise in praise to that supreme significator of the soul of all

> creatures.

> > > 2. You don't have to reply if you feel that there is a waste

of

> energy.

> > > Use the energy given by Surya well.

> > > 3. This mail is just another view, and who else other than

Surya

> Himself

> > > knows the perfect truth. So say - om tat sat.

> > > 4. The contents above are the views of one individual and do

not

> represent

> > > the groups views nor that of the group owner.

> > >