cancellation of debility rules??

August 1, 2006

|| Hare Rama Krsna ||

Dear Paul,

Namaskar. Rajabhanga occurs if in debility in Navamsa showing no support from Bhagya. Exaltation in Rasi shows good situation, surroundings, circumstances. Retrograde shows a deep desire. sohamsa , "paul_timecharts" <navagrahas wrote:>> Dear Sourav,> > Thank You by the way for your posts. They definately benefit myself > and many others I'm sure. Always very clear and true.> > This example of Brihaspati exalted and retrograde, then debilitated > and retrograde is very interesting. I do and don't fully understand.> If the situation were reversed in D1/D9 would that be worse. For > instance when you say a raja-bhanga occurs because Brihaspati is > nica, was there not a raja-bhanga anyway, in the first place with > Brihaspati also retrograde? I guess you are saying there was > position which then gets undermined. > I am imagining that if Brihaspati was reversed in D1/D9 it could be > more difficult as then it would become a nica bhanga and then > cancellation of the same. From a dharmic point of view though it > would be better?> > Best Wishes,> Paul> > sohamsa , "Sourav" souravc108@ wrote:> >> > > > || Hare Rama Krishna ||> > > > Dear Suchitra-ji,> > > > Namaskar. Lagnesha in the 8th > house> > is good for longivity but will make the native work hard during > lifetime> > as 8th house is for longivity and also rina. Lagnesha in debility > in> > Navamsa shows Raja-bhanga as it shows fruits of labor a hard to > come by> > due to lack of dharma in the past. Being retrograde shows a strong> > desire for the opposite. Exaltation and debilitation signs (Signs > show> > situations/circumstances) shows happy and difficult circumstances > where> > as retrogression shows struggling. If a graha is retrograde > (struggling)> > in an exaltation situation if forebodes bad as it shows that the> > situation is not utilized and the status is going down. Similarly > infer> > the opposite for the graha in retrogression in a debility sign. > Now,> > Guru is 'akin to exaltation in Navamsa shows that after initial> > struggle, there is a support from luck. Being in a kendra it shows > that> > Vishnu is in control and must be worshipped to recover from> > difficulties. Taking Rasi-tulya-navamsa, Guru is in 2nd house of > rasi> > chart showing that family/finances had a poor start but will rise.> > > > Best wishes,> > > > Sourav> > > > ================================================================> > sohamsa , "suchitra_kamath" > <suchitra_kamath@>> > wrote:> > >> > > Namaskar Visti Jee and All other members,> > >> > > In a particular chart I have seen exalted Retrograde Jupiter(also> > > the lagna lord- Dhanu lagna)in 8th house.> > >> > > However in Navamsa- it is debilitated and retrograde in 10 th > house.> > > Please suggest if this Jupiter is beneficial for native or > adverse?> > >> > > Thanks> > > Suchitra> > >> > >> > > sohamsa , Ramadas Rao ramadasrao@ wrote:> > > >> > > > OM SHRI RAGHAVENDRAAYA NAMAH> > > > OM NAMO NARAYANAYA> > > > Dear Sanjay Ji,> > > > But then what are the results of this Neecha Budha if it does> > > not get Neechabhanga ?> > > >> > > > With Shri Hari Vaayu Guru Naama Smarana,> > > > Ramadas Rao.> > > >> > > >> > > > Sanjay Rath sanjayrath@ wrote:> > > >> > > >> > > > om namo bhagavate vasudevaya> > > > Dear Ramdas ji> > > > I did not find a nicabhanga for Mercury and hence the Viparita> > > Raja Yoga is very good. This is fortunate but will cause one to > seek> > > fortune in foreign lands as the 12th lord is strong.> > > >> > > > With best wishes and warm regards,> > > > Sanjay Rath> > > > * * *> > > > Sri Jagannath Center®> > > > 15B Gangaram Hospital Road> > > > New Delhi 110060, India> > > > http://srath.com, +91-11-25717162> > > > * * *> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > sohamsa [sohamsa ]> > > On Behalf Of Ramadas Rao> > > > Sunday, July 30, 2006 10:26 PM> > > > sohamsa > > > > Re: Re: cancellation of debility rules??> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > OM SHRI RAGHAVENDRAAYA NAMAH> > > > OM SHRI LAKSHMI NRUSIMHAAYA NAMAH> > > > Dear Sourav and others,> > > > Please go through my chart which shows Budha,the 9th and 6th> > > lord in Neecha Sthana in Meena and also there is Vipareeta Raja > Yoga> > > in this chart.> > > > I hope you will discuss the topics mentioned above and give > your> > > inputs.> > > > With Shri Vaayu Guru Naama Smarana,> > > > Ramadas Rao.> > > >> > > > Sourav souravc108@ wrote:> > > > || Hare Rama Krishna ||> > > > Dear Reema-ji,> > > > Namaskar. Comments below. Thanks> > > for sharing Sanjay-ji's old message.> > > > Best wishes,> > > > Sourav> > > > ==============================================================> > > > sohamsa , "reema_sriganesh"> > > <reema_sriganesh@> wrote:> > > > >> > > > > || Hare Rama Krishna ||> > > > >> > > > > Namaste Sourav,> > > > >> > > > > > Incidentally, if a graha is retrograde and debilitated, > without> > > > > considering other neechabhanga> > > > > > rules, we can say that it is likely to give exaltation > status> > > after> > > > > initial suffering or opposing> > > > > > circumstances. Similarly, when graha is retrograde and > exalted,> > > > > opposite will happen.> > > > >> > > > > I remember reading the following in one of the really old> > > messages of> > > > > Sanjayji on Varahamihira list.> > > > >> > > > > The three conditions that cause neecha-bhanga rajayoga are:> > > > >> > > > > 1) Graha lording the sign where neecha graha is placed is in > a> > > kendra> > > > > from lagna or chandra> > > > >> > > > > 2) Graha lording the 7th from the sign where neecha graha is> > > placed is> > > > > in a kendra from lagna or chandra> > > > >> > > > > 3) Graha getting exaltation in the sign where neecha graha is> > > placed is> > > > > in a kendra from lagna or chandra> > > > [sourav]: These are traditionally accepted. Navamsa is also> > > checked (Neecha in rasi and Uchccha in Navamsa)> > > > >> > > > > In addition to these, two more conditions of neecha-bhanga> > > rajayoga,> > > > > which are not mentioned in the classics, are:> > > > [sourav]: I don't think these are neecha-bhanga per se. The> > > teaching is that the results are akin to debilitation initialy > and> > > then is reversed to be akin to exaltation. The key word is 'akin > to'> > > for example a debilitated retrograde Shukra in kendra goes not > give> > > Malavya yoga but Shukra has strength due to being vakri ( ref. to> > > strength rules)> > > > >> > > > > 1) Neecha graha is retrograde> > > > >> > > > > 2) Neecha graha is conjoined an uccha graha> > > > [sourav]: I didnt know of this. Thanks. However, I think the> > > neecha graha pulls down the uccha graha and the uccha graha is no> > > longer that exalted.> > > > Food for Thought:> > > > (a) Does this relief to the neecha graha depend on the> > > Naisargika Sambandha ? The reason I put this is that grahas> > > conjoining in a house get involved in graha yudda and hence this> > > factor may influence the relief.> > > > (b) I never read about the quality of neecha-bhanga for > example,> > > which of the neecha-bhanga rules give more strength. This could > be> > > related to extent of debility (i.e. how close the neecha graha > is to> > > its deep debility degree)> > > >> > > > >> > > > > The last two conditions give neecha-bhanga with a lot of > effort.> > > > >> > > > > This is from my recollection and so I could be slighly off.> > > > >> > > > > May Sri Vishnu bless us all,> > > > > Reema.> > > > >> > > > > sohamsa , "Sourav" souravc108@ wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > || Hare Rama Krishna ||> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Alka-ji,> > > > > >> > > > > > namaskar. Please find comments below.> > > > > >> > > > > > Best wishes,> > > > > >> > > > > > Sourav> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > =====================================================================> > > > > > sohamsa , Alka Saini alka.saini@ > wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Hi,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > I am beginner in astrology and I seek some > clarifications for> > > > > > cancellation of debility. I have read the following 4 > points> > > about> > > > > > cancellation of debility.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > 1. If the dipositor of the debilitated planet is in an> > > angulare> > > > > house> > > > > > from ascendant or the moon.> > > > > > > 2. If the lord of the sign where such a planet is > exalted is> > > in an> > > > > > angle from the acendant or the moon.> > > > > > > 3. If the debilitated planet is aspected by its > dipositor.> > > > > > > 4. The debilitated planet is in own or exalted Navamasa.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > What I have understood dispositor as: e.g. if mars is > placed> > > in> > > > > > cancer, then dispositor of mars is moon. Is my > understanding> > > correct> > > > > for> > > > > > dispositor?> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Now my doubts:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > 1. If mars is placed in cancer, its dispositor will > always> > > be moon,> > > > > > which will be in an angle from moon. So, does that mean > that> > > mars> > > > > never> > > > > > gets debilitated or in other words, debiliation gets > cancelled> > > due to> > > > > > moon.> > > > > >> > > > > > [sourav]: If that is so then Mangal will never have > debility> > > at all !> > > > > > But that cannot be so. We have to understand the > Neechabhanga> > > concept> > > > > > carefully. It it is caused by Kendra to Chandra then it is > due> > > to help> > > > > > from society (Chandra is karaka of society). If it is by> > > kendra from> > > > > > lagna then it is due to self-effort. Hence, if Mangal is in> > > Karka then> > > > > > look for Guru of Shani being in kendra from Chandra or > kendra> > > from> > > > > > Lagna.> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > 2. I have not understood the rule number 2 properly. I > try by> > > > > example> > > > > > and u ppl let me know if i am correct. say again if mars is> > > debiliated> > > > > > (cancer), so do we have to look at jupiter (it gets > exalted in> > > cancer)> > > > > > and check if it is in an angular house from moon or > asecendant.> > > > > >> > > > > > [sourav]: Yes> > > > > >> > > > > > Or we to check the exaltation sign of mars (capricorn) that> > > whether it> > > > > > is in an angular house from moon or asecendant.> > > > > >> > > > > > [sourav]: No> > > > > > >> > > > > > > 3. if debility is cancelled, then we don't need to > perform> > > any> > > > > > remedies for debilitated planet?> > > > > >> > > > > > [sourav]: The correct word is Neecha Bhanga or 'breaking' > of> > > neecha> > > > > > status. It is not cancellation. Rasi shows situation. When > a> > > graha is> > > > > in> > > > > > neecha status, the person will face situations that are > going> > > down or> > > > > > becoming unfavourable. So there is initial suffering. When > the> > > > > > Vimsottari dasa of the graha which is bestowing > neechabhanga> > > comes,> > > > > the> > > > > > situation will become favourable again. So there is > suffering> > > first> > > > > and> > > > > > then removal.> > > > > >> > > > > > Incidentally, if a graha is retrograde and debilitated, > without> > > > > > considering other neechabhanga rules, we can say that it is> > > likely to> > > > > > give exaltation status after initial suffering or opposing> > > > > > circumstances. Similarly, when graha is retrograde and > exalted,> > > > > opposite> > > > > > will happen.> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Kindly answer my queries.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Alka> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tired of spam? 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August 2, 2006

OM SHRI RAGHAVENDRAAYA NAMAH OM NAMO NARAYANAYA Dear Sri Gopal Goel Ji, Thanks for clarifications but as I read in many books,if the planet in debility is also with its sign dispositor,does it not not nullify the debility ?? It is also aspected by its own sign dispositor which is none other than the Lagna lord Shani (V).So what is your view in this regard ? With Shri Hari Vaayu Guru Naama Smarana, Ramadas Rao.Gopal Goel <gkgoel1937 wrote: Dear Ramadas Rao, Sir, your mercury has double advantage : Sixth lord in debility creates vipreet raj yoga and Mercury is suspecting its own 9th house Regards, G.K.GOEL Ramadas Rao <ramadasrao (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: OM SHRI RAGHAVENDRAAYA NAMAH OM SHRI LAKSHMI NRUSIMHAAYA NAMAH Dear Sourav and others, Please go through my chart which shows Budha,the 9th and 6th lord in Neecha Sthana in

Meena and also there is Vipareeta Raja Yoga in this chart. I hope you will discuss the topics mentioned above and give your inputs. With Shri Vaayu Guru Naama Smarana, Ramadas Rao.Sourav <souravc108 > wrote: || Hare Rama Krishna || Dear Reema-ji, Namaskar. Comments below. Thanks for sharing Sanjay-ji's old message. Best wishes, Sourav ==============================================================sohamsa , "reema_sriganesh" <reema_sriganesh wrote:>> || Hare Rama Krishna ||> > Namaste Sourav,> > > Incidentally, if a graha is retrograde and debilitated, without> considering other neechabhanga> > rules, we can say that it is likely to give exaltation status after> initial suffering or opposing> > circumstances. Similarly, when graha is retrograde and exalted,> opposite will happen.> > I remember reading the following in one of the really old messages of> Sanjayji on Varahamihira list.> > The three conditions that cause neecha-bhanga rajayoga are:> > 1) Graha lording the sign where neecha graha is placed is in a kendra> from lagna or chandra> > 2) Graha lording the 7th from

the sign where neecha graha is placed is> in a kendra from lagna or chandra> > 3) Graha getting exaltation in the sign where neecha graha is placed is> in a kendra from lagna or chandra [sourav]: These are traditionally accepted. Navamsa is also checked (Neecha in rasi and Uchccha in Navamsa)> > In addition to these, two more conditions of neecha-bhanga rajayoga,> which are not mentioned in the classics, are: [sourav]: I don't think these are neecha-bhanga per se. The teaching is that the results are akin to debilitation initialy and then is reversed to be akin to exaltation. The key word is 'akin to' for example a debilitated retrograde Shukra in kendra goes not give Malavya yoga but Shukra has strength due to being vakri ( ref. to strength rules)> > 1) Neecha graha is retrograde> > 2) Neecha graha is conjoined an uccha

graha [sourav]: I didnt know of this. Thanks. However, I think the neecha graha pulls down the uccha graha and the uccha graha is no longer that exalted. Food for Thought: (a) Does this relief to the neecha graha depend on the Naisargika Sambandha ? The reason I put this is that grahas conjoining in a house get involved in graha yudda and hence this factor may influence the relief. (b) I never read about the quality of neecha-bhanga for example, which of the neecha-bhanga rules give more strength. This could be related to extent of debility (i.e. how close the neecha graha is to its deep debility degree) > > The last two conditions give neecha-bhanga with a lot of effort.> > This is from my recollection and so I could be slighly off.> > May Sri Vishnu bless

us all,> Reema.> > sohamsa , "Sourav" souravc108@ wrote:> >> >> > || Hare Rama Krishna ||> >> > Dear Alka-ji,> >> > namaskar. Please find comments below.> >> > Best wishes,> >> > Sourav> >> > =====================================================================> > sohamsa , Alka Saini alka.saini@ wrote:> > >> > > Hi,> > >> > > I am beginner in astrology and I seek some clarifications for> > cancellation of debility. I have read the following 4 points about> > cancellation of debility.> > >> > > 1. If the dipositor of the debilitated planet is in an angulare> house> > from ascendant or the moon.> > > 2.

If the lord of the sign where such a planet is exalted is in an> > angle from the acendant or the moon.> > > 3. If the debilitated planet is aspected by its dipositor.> > > 4. The debilitated planet is in own or exalted Navamasa.> > >> > > What I have understood dispositor as: e.g. if mars is placed in> > cancer, then dispositor of mars is moon. Is my understanding correct> for> > dispositor?> > >> > > Now my doubts:> > >> > > 1. If mars is placed in cancer, its dispositor will always be moon,> > which will be in an angle from moon. So, does that mean that mars> never> > gets debilitated or in other words, debiliation gets cancelled due to> > moon.> >> > [sourav]: If that is so then Mangal will never have debility at all !> > But that cannot be so. We have to

understand the Neechabhanga concept> > carefully. It it is caused by Kendra to Chandra then it is due to help> > from society (Chandra is karaka of society). If it is by kendra from> > lagna then it is due to self-effort. Hence, if Mangal is in Karka then> > look for Guru of Shani being in kendra from Chandra or kendra from> > Lagna.> >> >> > >> > > 2. I have not understood the rule number 2 properly. I try by> example> > and u ppl let me know if i am correct. say again if mars is debiliated> > (cancer), so do we have to look at jupiter (it gets exalted in cancer)> > and check if it is in an angular house from moon or asecendant.> >> > [sourav]: Yes> >> > Or we to check the exaltation sign of mars (capricorn) that whether it> > is in an angular house from moon or asecendant.>

>> > [sourav]: No> > >> > > 3. if debility is cancelled, then we don't need to perform any> > remedies for debilitated planet?> >> > [sourav]: The correct word is Neecha Bhanga or 'breaking' of neecha> > status. It is not cancellation. Rasi shows situation. When a graha is> in> > neecha status, the person will face situations that are going down or> > becoming unfavourable. So there is initial suffering. When the> > Vimsottari dasa of the graha which is bestowing neechabhanga comes,> the> > situation will become favourable again. So there is suffering first> and> > then removal.> >> > Incidentally, if a graha is retrograde and debilitated, without> > considering other neechabhanga rules, we can say that it is likely to> > give exaltation status after initial suffering or

opposing> > circumstances. Similarly, when graha is retrograde and exalted,> opposite> > will happen.> >> >> > >> > > Kindly answer my queries.> > >> > > Alka> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> Here’s a new way to find what you're looking for - Answers Here’s a new way to find what

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August 3, 2006

Dear Ramadas Rao ji, I do not have your nativity as such it is not possible to give comprehensive response, I believe Lagna is Capricorn and Mercury is in 3rd house with Jupiter and is aspected by Saturn. If my assumption is correct , in that case Jupiter will cause cancellation of debility of Mercury .This can not be attributed to the aspect of Saturn as it is not the depositor of the sign occupied by Mercury. The combined aspect of both the lords of Apoklim hoses on 9th is in itself a great yoga. Regards, Gopal Krishna Goel Ramadas Rao <ramadasrao wrote: OM SHRI RAGHAVENDRAAYA NAMAH OM NAMO NARAYANAYA Dear Sri Gopal Goel Ji, Thanks for clarifications but as I read in many books,if the planet in debility is also with its sign dispositor,does it not not nullify the debility ?? It is also aspected by its own sign dispositor which is none other than the Lagna lord Shani (V).So what is your view in this regard ? With Shri Hari Vaayu Guru Naama Smarana, Ramadas Rao.Gopal Goel <gkgoel1937 (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: Dear Ramadas Rao, Sir, your mercury has double advantage : Sixth lord in debility creates vipreet raj yoga and Mercury is suspecting its own 9th house Regards, G.K.GOEL Ramadas Rao <ramadasrao (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: OM SHRI RAGHAVENDRAAYA NAMAH OM SHRI LAKSHMI NRUSIMHAAYA NAMAH Dear Sourav and others, Please go through my chart which shows Budha,the 9th and 6th lord in Neecha Sthana in Meena and also there is Vipareeta Raja Yoga in this chart. I hope you will discuss the topics mentioned above

and give your inputs. With Shri Vaayu Guru Naama Smarana, Ramadas Rao.Sourav <souravc108 > wrote: || Hare Rama Krishna || Dear Reema-ji, Namaskar. Comments below. Thanks for sharing Sanjay-ji's old message. Best wishes, Sourav ==============================================================sohamsa , "reema_sriganesh" <reema_sriganesh wrote:>> || Hare Rama Krishna

||> > Namaste Sourav,> > > Incidentally, if a graha is retrograde and debilitated, without> considering other neechabhanga> > rules, we can say that it is likely to give exaltation status after> initial suffering or opposing> > circumstances. Similarly, when graha is retrograde and exalted,> opposite will happen.> > I remember reading the following in one of the really old messages of> Sanjayji on Varahamihira list.> > The three conditions that cause neecha-bhanga rajayoga are:> > 1) Graha lording the sign where neecha graha is placed is in a kendra> from lagna or chandra> > 2) Graha lording the 7th from the sign where neecha graha is placed is> in a kendra from lagna or chandra> > 3) Graha getting exaltation in the sign where neecha graha is placed is> in a kendra from lagna or chandra [sourav]: These are traditionally accepted. Navamsa is also checked (Neecha in rasi and Uchccha in Navamsa)> > In addition to these, two more conditions of neecha-bhanga rajayoga,> which are not mentioned in the classics, are: [sourav]: I don't think these are neecha-bhanga per se. The teaching is that the results are akin to debilitation initialy and then is reversed to be akin to exaltation. The key word is 'akin to' for example a debilitated retrograde Shukra in kendra goes not give Malavya yoga but Shukra has strength due to being vakri ( ref. to strength rules)> > 1) Neecha graha is retrograde> > 2) Neecha graha is conjoined an uccha graha [sourav]: I didnt know of this. Thanks. However, I think the neecha graha pulls down the uccha graha and the uccha graha is no longer that exalted. Food for Thought: (a) Does this relief to the neecha graha depend on the Naisargika Sambandha ? The reason I put this is that grahas conjoining in a house get involved in graha yudda and hence this factor may influence the relief. (b) I never read about the quality of neecha-bhanga for example, which of the neecha-bhanga rules give more strength. This could be related to extent of debility (i.e. how close the neecha graha is to its deep debility degree) > > The last two conditions give neecha-bhanga with a lot of effort.> > This is from my recollection and so I could be slighly off.> > May Sri Vishnu bless us all,> Reema.> > sohamsa , "Sourav" souravc108@ wrote:> >> >> > || Hare Rama Krishna ||> >> > Dear

Alka-ji,> >> > namaskar. Please find comments below.> >> > Best wishes,> >> > Sourav> >> > =====================================================================> > sohamsa , Alka Saini alka.saini@ wrote:> > >> > > Hi,> > >> > > I am beginner in astrology and I seek some clarifications for> > cancellation of debility. I have read the following 4 points about> > cancellation of debility.> > >> > > 1. If the dipositor of the debilitated planet is in an angulare> house> > from ascendant or the moon.> > > 2. If the lord of the sign where such a planet is exalted is in an> > angle from the acendant or the moon.> > > 3. If the debilitated planet is aspected by its dipositor.>

> > 4. The debilitated planet is in own or exalted Navamasa.> > >> > > What I have understood dispositor as: e.g. if mars is placed in> > cancer, then dispositor of mars is moon. Is my understanding correct> for> > dispositor?> > >> > > Now my doubts:> > >> > > 1. If mars is placed in cancer, its dispositor will always be moon,> > which will be in an angle from moon. So, does that mean that mars> never> > gets debilitated or in other words, debiliation gets cancelled due to> > moon.> >> > [sourav]: If that is so then Mangal will never have debility at all !> > But that cannot be so. We have to understand the Neechabhanga concept> > carefully. It it is caused by Kendra to Chandra then it is due to help> > from society (Chandra is karaka of society). If it is by kendra

from> > lagna then it is due to self-effort. Hence, if Mangal is in Karka then> > look for Guru of Shani being in kendra from Chandra or kendra from> > Lagna.> >> >> > >> > > 2. I have not understood the rule number 2 properly. I try by> example> > and u ppl let me know if i am correct. say again if mars is debiliated> > (cancer), so do we have to look at jupiter (it gets exalted in cancer)> > and check if it is in an angular house from moon or asecendant.> >> > [sourav]: Yes> >> > Or we to check the exaltation sign of mars (capricorn) that whether it> > is in an angular house from moon or asecendant.> >> > [sourav]: No> > >> > > 3. if debility is cancelled, then we don't need to perform any> > remedies for debilitated planet?> >> >

[sourav]: The correct word is Neecha Bhanga or 'breaking' of neecha> > status. It is not cancellation. Rasi shows situation. When a graha is> in> > neecha status, the person will face situations that are going down or> > becoming unfavourable. So there is initial suffering. When the> > Vimsottari dasa of the graha which is bestowing neechabhanga comes,> the> > situation will become favourable again. So there is suffering first> and> > then removal.> >> > Incidentally, if a graha is retrograde and debilitated, without> > considering other neechabhanga rules, we can say that it is likely to> > give exaltation status after initial suffering or opposing> > circumstances. Similarly, when graha is retrograde and exalted,> opposite> > will happen.> >> >> > >> > > Kindly answer my

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August 3, 2006

OM SHRI RAGHAVENDRAAYA NAMAH OM NAMO NARAYANAYA Dear Shri Gopal Krishna Goel Ji, Thanks for your reply and so I am correct in this matter that when a debilitated planet is with its sign dispositor who is in its own house, the debilitation gets cancelled.Am I correct ? Because I wrote previously that this is one of the reasons for the points for the cancellation of debilitation. With Shri hari Vaayu Guru Naama Smarana, Ramadas Rao.Gopal Goel <gkgoel1937 wrote: Dear Ramadas Rao ji, I do not have your nativity as such it is not possible to give comprehensive response, I believe Lagna is Capricorn and Mercury is in 3rd house with Jupiter and is aspected by Saturn. If my assumption is correct , in that case Jupiter will cause cancellation of debility of Mercury .This can not be attributed to the aspect of Saturn as it is not the depositor of the sign occupied by Mercury. The combined aspect of both the lords of Apoklim hoses on 9th is in itself a great yoga. Regards, Gopal Krishna Goel Ramadas Rao <ramadasrao (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: OM SHRI RAGHAVENDRAAYA NAMAH OM NAMO NARAYANAYA Dear Sri Gopal Goel Ji, Thanks for clarifications but as I read in many books,if the planet in debility is also with its sign dispositor,does it not not nullify the debility ?? It is also aspected by its own sign dispositor which is none other than the Lagna lord Shani (V).So what is your view in this regard ? With Shri Hari Vaayu Guru Naama Smarana, Ramadas Rao.Gopal Goel <gkgoel1937 (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: Dear Ramadas Rao, Sir,

your mercury has double advantage : Sixth lord in debility creates vipreet raj yoga and Mercury is suspecting its own 9th house Regards, G.K.GOEL Ramadas Rao <ramadasrao (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: OM SHRI RAGHAVENDRAAYA NAMAH OM SHRI LAKSHMI NRUSIMHAAYA NAMAH Dear Sourav and others, Please go through my chart which shows Budha,the 9th and 6th lord in Neecha Sthana in Meena and also there is Vipareeta Raja Yoga in this chart. I hope you will discuss the topics mentioned above and give your inputs. With Shri Vaayu Guru

Naama Smarana, Ramadas Rao.Sourav <souravc108 > wrote: || Hare Rama Krishna || Dear Reema-ji, Namaskar. Comments below. Thanks for sharing Sanjay-ji's old message. Best wishes, Sourav ==============================================================sohamsa , "reema_sriganesh" <reema_sriganesh wrote:>> || Hare Rama Krishna ||> > Namaste Sourav,> > > Incidentally, if a graha is

retrograde and debilitated, without> considering other neechabhanga> > rules, we can say that it is likely to give exaltation status after> initial suffering or opposing> > circumstances. Similarly, when graha is retrograde and exalted,> opposite will happen.> > I remember reading the following in one of the really old messages of> Sanjayji on Varahamihira list.> > The three conditions that cause neecha-bhanga rajayoga are:> > 1) Graha lording the sign where neecha graha is placed is in a kendra> from lagna or chandra> > 2) Graha lording the 7th from the sign where neecha graha is placed is> in a kendra from lagna or chandra> > 3) Graha getting exaltation in the sign where neecha graha is placed is> in a kendra from lagna or chandra [sourav]: These are traditionally accepted. Navamsa is also checked

(Neecha in rasi and Uchccha in Navamsa)> > In addition to these, two more conditions of neecha-bhanga rajayoga,> which are not mentioned in the classics, are: [sourav]: I don't think these are neecha-bhanga per se. The teaching is that the results are akin to debilitation initialy and then is reversed to be akin to exaltation. The key word is 'akin to' for example a debilitated retrograde Shukra in kendra goes not give Malavya yoga but Shukra has strength due to being vakri ( ref. to strength rules)> > 1) Neecha graha is retrograde> > 2) Neecha graha is conjoined an uccha graha [sourav]: I didnt know of this. Thanks. However, I think the neecha graha pulls down the uccha graha and the uccha graha is no longer that exalted. Food for Thought: (a) Does this relief to

the neecha graha depend on the Naisargika Sambandha ? The reason I put this is that grahas conjoining in a house get involved in graha yudda and hence this factor may influence the relief. (b) I never read about the quality of neecha-bhanga for example, which of the neecha-bhanga rules give more strength. This could be related to extent of debility (i.e. how close the neecha graha is to its deep debility degree) > > The last two conditions give neecha-bhanga with a lot of effort.> > This is from my recollection and so I could be slighly off.> > May Sri Vishnu bless us all,> Reema.> > sohamsa , "Sourav" souravc108@ wrote:> >> >> > || Hare Rama Krishna ||> >> > Dear Alka-ji,> >> > namaskar. Please find comments below.> >> > Best

wishes,> >> > Sourav> >> > =====================================================================> > sohamsa , Alka Saini alka.saini@ wrote:> > >> > > Hi,> > >> > > I am beginner in astrology and I seek some clarifications for> > cancellation of debility. I have read the following 4 points about> > cancellation of debility.> > >> > > 1. If the dipositor of the debilitated planet is in an angulare> house> > from ascendant or the moon.> > > 2. If the lord of the sign where such a planet is exalted is in an> > angle from the acendant or the moon.> > > 3. If the debilitated planet is aspected by its dipositor.> > > 4. The debilitated planet is in own or exalted Navamasa.> > >> > >

What I have understood dispositor as: e.g. if mars is placed in> > cancer, then dispositor of mars is moon. Is my understanding correct> for> > dispositor?> > >> > > Now my doubts:> > >> > > 1. If mars is placed in cancer, its dispositor will always be moon,> > which will be in an angle from moon. So, does that mean that mars> never> > gets debilitated or in other words, debiliation gets cancelled due to> > moon.> >> > [sourav]: If that is so then Mangal will never have debility at all !> > But that cannot be so. We have to understand the Neechabhanga concept> > carefully. It it is caused by Kendra to Chandra then it is due to help> > from society (Chandra is karaka of society). If it is by kendra from> > lagna then it is due to self-effort. Hence, if Mangal is in Karka then> > look for

Guru of Shani being in kendra from Chandra or kendra from> > Lagna.> >> >> > >> > > 2. I have not understood the rule number 2 properly. I try by> example> > and u ppl let me know if i am correct. say again if mars is debiliated> > (cancer), so do we have to look at jupiter (it gets exalted in cancer)> > and check if it is in an angular house from moon or asecendant.> >> > [sourav]: Yes> >> > Or we to check the exaltation sign of mars (capricorn) that whether it> > is in an angular house from moon or asecendant.> >> > [sourav]: No> > >> > > 3. if debility is cancelled, then we don't need to perform any> > remedies for debilitated planet?> >> > [sourav]: The correct word is Neecha Bhanga or 'breaking' of neecha> > status. It is not cancellation.

Rasi shows situation. When a graha is> in> > neecha status, the person will face situations that are going down or> > becoming unfavourable. So there is initial suffering. When the> > Vimsottari dasa of the graha which is bestowing neechabhanga comes,> the> > situation will become favourable again. So there is suffering first> and> > then removal.> >> > Incidentally, if a graha is retrograde and debilitated, without> > considering other neechabhanga rules, we can say that it is likely to> > give exaltation status after initial suffering or opposing> > circumstances. Similarly, when graha is retrograde and exalted,> opposite> > will happen.> >> >> > >> > > Kindly answer my queries.> > >> > > Alka> > >> > >> > >> > >

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