Guest guest Posted July 28, 2006 Report Share Posted July 28, 2006 Hi, I am beginner in astrology and I seek some clarifications for cancellation of debility. I have read the following 4 points about cancellation of debility. 1. If the dipositor of the debilitated planet is in an angulare house from ascendant or the moon. 2. If the lord of the sign where such a planet is exalted is in an angle from the acendant or the moon. 3. If the debilitated planet is aspected by its dipositor. 4. The debilitated planet is in own or exalted Navamasa. What I have understood dispositor as: e.g. if mars is placed in cancer, then dispositor of mars is moon. Is my understanding correct for dispositor? Now my doubts: 1. If mars is placed in cancer, its dispositor will always be moon, which will be in an angle from moon. So, does that mean that mars never gets debilitated or in other words, debiliation gets cancelled due to moon. 2. I have not understood the rule number 2 properly. I try by example and u ppl let me know if i am correct. say again if mars is debiliated (cancer), so do we have to look at jupiter (it gets exalted in cancer) and check if it is in an angular house from moon or asecendant. Or we to check the exaltation sign of mars (capricorn) that whether it is in an angular house from moon or asecendant. 3. if debility is cancelled, then we don't need to perform any remedies for debilitated planet? Kindly answer my queries. Alka Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 28, 2006 Report Share Posted July 28, 2006 || Hare Rama Krishna || Dear Alka-ji, namaskar. Please find comments below. Best wishes, Sourav =====================================================================sohamsa , Alka Saini <alka.saini wrote:>> Hi,> > I am beginner in astrology and I seek some clarifications for cancellation of debility. I have read the following 4 points about cancellation of debility.> > 1. If the dipositor of the debilitated planet is in an angulare house from ascendant or the moon.> 2. If the lord of the sign where such a planet is exalted is in an angle from the acendant or the moon.> 3. If the debilitated planet is aspected by its dipositor.> 4. The debilitated planet is in own or exalted Navamasa.> > What I have understood dispositor as: e.g. if mars is placed in cancer, then dispositor of mars is moon. Is my understanding correct for dispositor?> > Now my doubts:> > 1. If mars is placed in cancer, its dispositor will always be moon, which will be in an angle from moon. So, does that mean that mars never gets debilitated or in other words, debiliation gets cancelled due to moon. [sourav]: If that is so then Mangal will never have debility at all ! But that cannot be so. We have to understand the Neechabhanga concept carefully. It it is caused by Kendra to Chandra then it is due to help from society (Chandra is karaka of society). If it is by kendra from lagna then it is due to self-effort. Hence, if Mangal is in Karka then look for Guru of Shani being in kendra from Chandra or kendra from Lagna. > > 2. I have not understood the rule number 2 properly. I try by example and u ppl let me know if i am correct. say again if mars is debiliated (cancer), so do we have to look at jupiter (it gets exalted in cancer) and check if it is in an angular house from moon or asecendant. [sourav]: Yes Or we to check the exaltation sign of mars (capricorn) that whether it is in an angular house from moon or asecendant. [sourav]: No> > 3. if debility is cancelled, then we don't need to perform any remedies for debilitated planet? [sourav]: The correct word is Neecha Bhanga or 'breaking' of neecha status. It is not cancellation. Rasi shows situation. When a graha is in neecha status, the person will face situations that are going down or becoming unfavourable. So there is initial suffering. When the Vimsottari dasa of the graha which is bestowing neechabhanga comes, the situation will become favourable again. So there is suffering first and then removal. Incidentally, if a graha is retrograde and debilitated, without considering other neechabhanga rules, we can say that it is likely to give exaltation status after initial suffering or opposing circumstances. Similarly, when graha is retrograde and exalted, opposite will happen. > > Kindly answer my queries.> > Alka> > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 28, 2006 Report Share Posted July 28, 2006 Dear Sourav ji, I dont agree with you on this point.. > > 2. I have not understood the rule number 2 properly. I try by example > and u ppl let me know if i am correct. say again if mars is debiliated > (cancer), so do we have to look at jupiter (it gets exalted in cancer) > and check if it is in an angular house from moon or asecendant. > > [sourav]: Yes > > Or we to check the exaltation sign of mars (capricorn) that whether it > is in an angular house from moon or asecendant. > > [sourav]: No In this case we have to see the Venus,in which Cancer lord moon gets exalted as Mars is debiliated in Cancer.. You have to look for the Venus being Kendra to Lagna/moon.. Regards Amit sohamsa , " Sourav " <souravc108 wrote: > > > || Hare Rama Krishna || > > Dear Alka-ji, > > namaskar. Please find comments below. > > Best wishes, > > Sourav > > ===================================================================== > sohamsa , Alka Saini <alka.saini@> wrote: > > > > Hi, > > > > I am beginner in astrology and I seek some clarifications for > cancellation of debility. I have read the following 4 points about > cancellation of debility. > > > > 1. If the dipositor of the debilitated planet is in an angulare house > from ascendant or the moon. > > 2. If the lord of the sign where such a planet is exalted is in an > angle from the acendant or the moon. > > 3. If the debilitated planet is aspected by its dipositor. > > 4. The debilitated planet is in own or exalted Navamasa. > > > > What I have understood dispositor as: e.g. if mars is placed in > cancer, then dispositor of mars is moon. Is my understanding correct for > dispositor? > > > > Now my doubts: > > > > 1. If mars is placed in cancer, its dispositor will always be moon, > which will be in an angle from moon. So, does that mean that mars never > gets debilitated or in other words, debiliation gets cancelled due to > moon. > > [sourav]: If that is so then Mangal will never have debility at all ! > But that cannot be so. We have to understand the Neechabhanga concept > carefully. It it is caused by Kendra to Chandra then it is due to help > from society (Chandra is karaka of society). If it is by kendra from > lagna then it is due to self-effort. Hence, if Mangal is in Karka then > look for Guru of Shani being in kendra from Chandra or kendra from > Lagna. > > > > > > 2. I have not understood the rule number 2 properly. I try by example > and u ppl let me know if i am correct. say again if mars is debiliated > (cancer), so do we have to look at jupiter (it gets exalted in cancer) > and check if it is in an angular house from moon or asecendant. > > [sourav]: Yes > > Or we to check the exaltation sign of mars (capricorn) that whether it > is in an angular house from moon or asecendant. > > [sourav]: No > > > > 3. if debility is cancelled, then we don't need to perform any > remedies for debilitated planet? > > [sourav]: The correct word is Neecha Bhanga or 'breaking' of neecha > status. It is not cancellation. Rasi shows situation. When a graha is in > neecha status, the person will face situations that are going down or > becoming unfavourable. So there is initial suffering. When the > Vimsottari dasa of the graha which is bestowing neechabhanga comes, the > situation will become favourable again. So there is suffering first and > then removal. > > Incidentally, if a graha is retrograde and debilitated, without > considering other neechabhanga rules, we can say that it is likely to > give exaltation status after initial suffering or opposing > circumstances. Similarly, when graha is retrograde and exalted, opposite > will happen. > > > > > > Kindly answer my queries. > > > > Alka > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 29, 2006 Report Share Posted July 29, 2006 Sourav ji Namaste, Thanks for your comments, I could not understand the following: Hence, if Mangal is in Karka then look for Guru of Shani being in kendra from Chandra or kendra from Lagna. Did you meant guru or shani in kendra from chandra or kendra from langa. What does it meant by (guru of shani)? AlkaSourav <souravc108 wrote: || Hare Rama Krishna || Dear Alka-ji, namaskar. Please find comments below. Best wishes, Sourav =====================================================================sohamsa , Alka Saini <alka.saini wrote:>> Hi,> > I am beginner in astrology and I seek some clarifications for cancellation of debility. I have read the following 4 points about cancellation of debility.> > 1. If the dipositor of the debilitated planet is in an angulare house from ascendant or the moon.> 2. If the lord of the sign where such a planet is exalted is in an angle from the acendant or the moon.> 3. If the debilitated planet is aspected by its dipositor.> 4. The debilitated planet is in own or exalted Navamasa.> > What I have understood dispositor as: e.g. if mars is placed in cancer, then dispositor of mars is moon. Is my understanding correct for dispositor?> > Now my doubts:> > 1. If mars is placed in cancer, its dispositor will always be moon, which will be in an angle from moon. So, does that mean that mars never gets debilitated or in other words, debiliation gets cancelled due to moon. [sourav]: If that is so then Mangal will never have debility at all ! But that cannot be so. We have to understand the Neechabhanga concept carefully. It it is caused by Kendra to Chandra then it is due to help from society (Chandra is karaka of society). If it is by kendra from lagna then it is due to self-effort. Hence, if Mangal is in Karka then look for Guru of Shani being in kendra from Chandra or kendra from Lagna. > > 2. I have not understood the rule number 2 properly. I try by example and u ppl let me know if i am correct. say again if mars is debiliated (cancer), so do we have to look at jupiter (it gets exalted in cancer) and check if it is in an angular house from moon or asecendant. [sourav]: Yes Or we to check the exaltation sign of mars (capricorn) that whether it is in an angular house from moon or asecendant. [sourav]: No> > 3. if debility is cancelled, then we don't need to perform any remedies for debilitated planet? [sourav]: The correct word is Neecha Bhanga or 'breaking' of neecha status. It is not cancellation. Rasi shows situation. When a graha is in neecha status, the person will face situations that are going down or becoming unfavourable. So there is initial suffering. When the Vimsottari dasa of the graha which is bestowing neechabhanga comes, the situation will become favourable again. So there is suffering first and then removal. Incidentally, if a graha is retrograde and debilitated, without considering other neechabhanga rules, we can say that it is likely to give exaltation status after initial suffering or opposing circumstances. Similarly, when graha is retrograde and exalted, opposite will happen. > > Kindly answer my queries.> > Alka> > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 29, 2006 Report Share Posted July 29, 2006 || Hare Rama Krishna || Namaste Sourav, > Incidentally, if a graha is retrograde and debilitated, without considering other neechabhanga > rules, we can say that it is likely to give exaltation status after initial suffering or opposing > circumstances. Similarly, when graha is retrograde and exalted, opposite will happen. I remember reading the following in one of the really old messages of Sanjayji on Varahamihira list. The three conditions that cause neecha-bhanga rajayoga are: 1) Graha lording the sign where neecha graha is placed is in a kendra from lagna or chandra 2) Graha lording the 7th from the sign where neecha graha is placed is in a kendra from lagna or chandra 3) Graha getting exaltation in the sign where neecha graha is placed is in a kendra from lagna or chandra In addition to these, two more conditions of neecha-bhanga rajayoga, which are not mentioned in the classics, are: 1) Neecha graha is retrograde 2) Neecha graha is conjoined an uccha graha The last two conditions give neecha-bhanga with a lot of effort. This is from my recollection and so I could be slighly off. May Sri Vishnu bless us all, Reema. sohamsa , "Sourav" <souravc108 wrote:>> > || Hare Rama Krishna ||> > Dear Alka-ji,> > namaskar. Please find comments below.> > Best wishes,> > Sourav> > =====================================================================> sohamsa , Alka Saini alka.saini@ wrote:> >> > Hi,> >> > I am beginner in astrology and I seek some clarifications for> cancellation of debility. I have read the following 4 points about> cancellation of debility.> >> > 1. If the dipositor of the debilitated planet is in an angulare house> from ascendant or the moon.> > 2. If the lord of the sign where such a planet is exalted is in an> angle from the acendant or the moon.> > 3. If the debilitated planet is aspected by its dipositor.> > 4. The debilitated planet is in own or exalted Navamasa.> >> > What I have understood dispositor as: e.g. if mars is placed in> cancer, then dispositor of mars is moon. Is my understanding correct for> dispositor?> >> > Now my doubts:> >> > 1. If mars is placed in cancer, its dispositor will always be moon,> which will be in an angle from moon. So, does that mean that mars never> gets debilitated or in other words, debiliation gets cancelled due to> moon.> > [sourav]: If that is so then Mangal will never have debility at all !> But that cannot be so. We have to understand the Neechabhanga concept> carefully. It it is caused by Kendra to Chandra then it is due to help> from society (Chandra is karaka of society). If it is by kendra from> lagna then it is due to self-effort. Hence, if Mangal is in Karka then> look for Guru of Shani being in kendra from Chandra or kendra from> Lagna.> > > >> > 2. I have not understood the rule number 2 properly. I try by example> and u ppl let me know if i am correct. say again if mars is debiliated> (cancer), so do we have to look at jupiter (it gets exalted in cancer)> and check if it is in an angular house from moon or asecendant.> > [sourav]: Yes> > Or we to check the exaltation sign of mars (capricorn) that whether it> is in an angular house from moon or asecendant.> > [sourav]: No> >> > 3. if debility is cancelled, then we don't need to perform any> remedies for debilitated planet?> > [sourav]: The correct word is Neecha Bhanga or 'breaking' of neecha> status. It is not cancellation. Rasi shows situation. When a graha is in> neecha status, the person will face situations that are going down or> becoming unfavourable. So there is initial suffering. When the> Vimsottari dasa of the graha which is bestowing neechabhanga comes, the> situation will become favourable again. So there is suffering first and> then removal.> > Incidentally, if a graha is retrograde and debilitated, without> considering other neechabhanga rules, we can say that it is likely to> give exaltation status after initial suffering or opposing> circumstances. Similarly, when graha is retrograde and exalted, opposite> will happen.> > > >> > Kindly answer my queries.> >> > Alka> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 29, 2006 Report Share Posted July 29, 2006 Sourav Ji, This what I got answer from Ashutosh in JR group: The second rule:For example, mars is debiliated in cancer, then the lord of the sign of exaltation of mars (not moon) should be in kendra from moon or ascendent. Please clarify, what is correct? As lord sign of exaltation of mars is capricorn and here we are talking about jupiter (which would be exalted in cancer). Looking forward for your reply. alkaSourav <souravc108 wrote: || Hare Rama Krishna || Dear Alka-ji, namaskar. Please find comments below. Best wishes, Sourav =====================================================================sohamsa , Alka Saini <alka.saini wrote:>> Hi,> > I am beginner in astrology and I seek some clarifications for cancellation of debility. I have read the following 4 points about cancellation of debility.> > 1. If the dipositor of the debilitated planet is in an angulare house from ascendant or the moon.> 2. If the lord of the sign where such a planet is exalted is in an angle from the acendant or the moon.> 3. If the debilitated planet is aspected by its dipositor.> 4. The debilitated planet is in own or exalted Navamasa.> > What I have understood dispositor as: e.g. if mars is placed in cancer, then dispositor of mars is moon. Is my understanding correct for dispositor?> > Now my doubts:> > 1. If mars is placed in cancer, its dispositor will always be moon, which will be in an angle from moon. So, does that mean that mars never gets debilitated or in other words, debiliation gets cancelled due to moon. [sourav]: If that is so then Mangal will never have debility at all ! But that cannot be so. We have to understand the Neechabhanga concept carefully. It it is caused by Kendra to Chandra then it is due to help from society (Chandra is karaka of society). If it is by kendra from lagna then it is due to self-effort. Hence, if Mangal is in Karka then look for Guru of Shani being in kendra from Chandra or kendra from Lagna. > > 2. I have not understood the rule number 2 properly. I try by example and u ppl let me know if i am correct. say again if mars is debiliated (cancer), so do we have to look at jupiter (it gets exalted in cancer) and check if it is in an angular house from moon or asecendant. [sourav]: Yes Or we to check the exaltation sign of mars (capricorn) that whether it is in an angular house from moon or asecendant. [sourav]: No> > 3. if debility is cancelled, then we don't need to perform any remedies for debilitated planet? [sourav]: The correct word is Neecha Bhanga or 'breaking' of neecha status. It is not cancellation. Rasi shows situation. When a graha is in neecha status, the person will face situations that are going down or becoming unfavourable. So there is initial suffering. When the Vimsottari dasa of the graha which is bestowing neechabhanga comes, the situation will become favourable again. So there is suffering first and then removal. Incidentally, if a graha is retrograde and debilitated, without considering other neechabhanga rules, we can say that it is likely to give exaltation status after initial suffering or opposing circumstances. Similarly, when graha is retrograde and exalted, opposite will happen. > > Kindly answer my queries.> > Alka> > > > > > > > Groups are talking. We´re listening. Check out the handy changes to . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 29, 2006 Report Share Posted July 29, 2006 || Hare Rama Krishna || Dear Reema-ji, Namaskar. Comments below. Thanks for sharing Sanjay-ji's old message. Best wishes, Sourav ==============================================================sohamsa , "reema_sriganesh" <reema_sriganesh wrote:>> || Hare Rama Krishna ||> > Namaste Sourav,> > > Incidentally, if a graha is retrograde and debilitated, without> considering other neechabhanga> > rules, we can say that it is likely to give exaltation status after> initial suffering or opposing> > circumstances. Similarly, when graha is retrograde and exalted,> opposite will happen.> > I remember reading the following in one of the really old messages of> Sanjayji on Varahamihira list.> > The three conditions that cause neecha-bhanga rajayoga are:> > 1) Graha lording the sign where neecha graha is placed is in a kendra> from lagna or chandra> > 2) Graha lording the 7th from the sign where neecha graha is placed is> in a kendra from lagna or chandra> > 3) Graha getting exaltation in the sign where neecha graha is placed is> in a kendra from lagna or chandra [sourav]: These are traditionally accepted. Navamsa is also checked (Neecha in rasi and Uchccha in Navamsa)> > In addition to these, two more conditions of neecha-bhanga rajayoga,> which are not mentioned in the classics, are: [sourav]: I don't think these are neecha-bhanga per se. The teaching is that the results are akin to debilitation initialy and then is reversed to be akin to exaltation. The key word is 'akin to' for example a debilitated retrograde Shukra in kendra goes not give Malavya yoga but Shukra has strength due to being vakri ( ref. to strength rules)> > 1) Neecha graha is retrograde> > 2) Neecha graha is conjoined an uccha graha [sourav]: I didnt know of this. Thanks. However, I think the neecha graha pulls down the uccha graha and the uccha graha is no longer that exalted. Food for Thought: (a) Does this relief to the neecha graha depend on the Naisargika Sambandha ? The reason I put this is that grahas conjoining in a house get involved in graha yudda and hence this factor may influence the relief. (b) I never read about the quality of neecha-bhanga for example, which of the neecha-bhanga rules give more strength. This could be related to extent of debility (i.e. how close the neecha graha is to its deep debility degree) > > The last two conditions give neecha-bhanga with a lot of effort.> > This is from my recollection and so I could be slighly off.> > May Sri Vishnu bless us all,> Reema.> > sohamsa , "Sourav" souravc108@ wrote:> >> >> > || Hare Rama Krishna ||> >> > Dear Alka-ji,> >> > namaskar. Please find comments below.> >> > Best wishes,> >> > Sourav> >> > =====================================================================> > sohamsa , Alka Saini alka.saini@ wrote:> > >> > > Hi,> > >> > > I am beginner in astrology and I seek some clarifications for> > cancellation of debility. I have read the following 4 points about> > cancellation of debility.> > >> > > 1. If the dipositor of the debilitated planet is in an angulare> house> > from ascendant or the moon.> > > 2. If the lord of the sign where such a planet is exalted is in an> > angle from the acendant or the moon.> > > 3. If the debilitated planet is aspected by its dipositor.> > > 4. The debilitated planet is in own or exalted Navamasa.> > >> > > What I have understood dispositor as: e.g. if mars is placed in> > cancer, then dispositor of mars is moon. Is my understanding correct> for> > dispositor?> > >> > > Now my doubts:> > >> > > 1. If mars is placed in cancer, its dispositor will always be moon,> > which will be in an angle from moon. So, does that mean that mars> never> > gets debilitated or in other words, debiliation gets cancelled due to> > moon.> >> > [sourav]: If that is so then Mangal will never have debility at all !> > But that cannot be so. We have to understand the Neechabhanga concept> > carefully. It it is caused by Kendra to Chandra then it is due to help> > from society (Chandra is karaka of society). If it is by kendra from> > lagna then it is due to self-effort. Hence, if Mangal is in Karka then> > look for Guru of Shani being in kendra from Chandra or kendra from> > Lagna.> >> >> > >> > > 2. I have not understood the rule number 2 properly. I try by> example> > and u ppl let me know if i am correct. say again if mars is debiliated> > (cancer), so do we have to look at jupiter (it gets exalted in cancer)> > and check if it is in an angular house from moon or asecendant.> >> > [sourav]: Yes> >> > Or we to check the exaltation sign of mars (capricorn) that whether it> > is in an angular house from moon or asecendant.> >> > [sourav]: No> > >> > > 3. if debility is cancelled, then we don't need to perform any> > remedies for debilitated planet?> >> > [sourav]: The correct word is Neecha Bhanga or 'breaking' of neecha> > status. It is not cancellation. Rasi shows situation. When a graha is> in> > neecha status, the person will face situations that are going down or> > becoming unfavourable. So there is initial suffering. When the> > Vimsottari dasa of the graha which is bestowing neechabhanga comes,> the> > situation will become favourable again. So there is suffering first> and> > then removal.> >> > Incidentally, if a graha is retrograde and debilitated, without> > considering other neechabhanga rules, we can say that it is likely to> > give exaltation status after initial suffering or opposing> > circumstances. Similarly, when graha is retrograde and exalted,> opposite> > will happen.> >> >> > >> > > Kindly answer my queries.> > >> > > Alka> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 29, 2006 Report Share Posted July 29, 2006 ||Hare Rama Krsna|| Dear Sourav and Reema, Namaskar I just arrived home, and decided to post a little mail. Neecha Bhanga happens in stages and can be equated to percentages. If ONE among the planets who are (1) exalted in the debilitation sign, (2) lording the exaltation sign and (3) lording the debilitation sign, are in Kendra to lagna/moon, then the neecha bhanga is only considered to be 25% (1/4th pada). If two, then 50% and then considerable results are felt, whilst if three then it is 75%. Here the efforts are put in by the native either through their own efforts (lagna) or through mantra and determination of mind (moon) to get OUT of the state of debilitation. Exaltation in navamsa always offers 100% neecha bhanga (purna pada), as this is a blessing from GOD. Retrogression causes an atma-level-desire causing the dristis to be very strong, and in a debilitation sign causes a strong desire to reap the effects of exaltation, and through the persons own personal determination they reap the effects of exaltation over time.. Especially if this planet is associated with lagna, otherwise the effects are restricted to the dasa of the particular planet. This scenarrio in an exaltation sign does cause the desire for renunciation of fruits, just see Saturn in the chart of Sri Ramakrishna Paramahamsa. Exalted planets joined debilitated planets is like a beggar meeting a millionaire. The Beggar benefits from the millionaires donations, whilst the millionaire has to suffer the emptying of his wallet. Hence the dasa of the debilitated planet becomes auspicious, whilst the opposite is so for the exalted planet. In my experience this is more noteworthy during dasas of these planets. Bill Gates has a debilitated Sun joined an exalted Saturn, and during Sun dasa he has continued his excellent growth of wealth. Best wishes, *** Visti Larsen For services and articles visit: http://srigaruda.com *** sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of Sourav 29 July 2006 07:47 sohamsa Re: cancellation of debility rules?? || Hare Rama Krishna || Dear Reema-ji, Namaskar. Comments below. Thanks for sharing Sanjay-ji's old message. Best wishes, Sourav ============================================================== sohamsa , " reema_sriganesh " <reema_sriganesh wrote: > > || Hare Rama Krishna || > > Namaste Sourav, > > > Incidentally, if a graha is retrograde and debilitated, without > considering other neechabhanga > > rules, we can say that it is likely to give exaltation status after > initial suffering or opposing > > circumstances. Similarly, when graha is retrograde and exalted, > opposite will happen. > > I remember reading the following in one of the really old messages of > Sanjayji on Varahamihira list. > > The three conditions that cause neecha-bhanga rajayoga are: > > 1) Graha lording the sign where neecha graha is placed is in a kendra > from lagna or chandra > > 2) Graha lording the 7th from the sign where neecha graha is placed is > in a kendra from lagna or chandra > > 3) Graha getting exaltation in the sign where neecha graha is placed is > in a kendra from lagna or chandra [sourav]: These are traditionally accepted. Navamsa is also checked (Neecha in rasi and Uchccha in Navamsa) > > In addition to these, two more conditions of neecha-bhanga rajayoga, > which are not mentioned in the classics, are: [sourav]: I don't think these are neecha-bhanga per se. The teaching is that the results are akin to debilitation initialy and then is reversed to be akin to exaltation. The key word is 'akin to' for example a debilitated retrograde Shukra in kendra goes not give Malavya yoga but Shukra has strength due to being vakri ( ref. to strength rules) > > 1) Neecha graha is retrograde > > 2) Neecha graha is conjoined an uccha graha [sourav]: I didnt know of this. Thanks. However, I think the neecha graha pulls down the uccha graha and the uccha graha is no longer that exalted. Food for Thought: (a) Does this relief to the neecha graha depend on the Naisargika Sambandha ? The reason I put this is that grahas conjoining in a house get involved in graha yudda and hence this factor may influence the relief. (b) I never read about the quality of neecha-bhanga for example, which of the neecha-bhanga rules give more strength. This could be related to extent of debility (i.e. how close the neecha graha is to its deep debility degree) > > The last two conditions give neecha-bhanga with a lot of effort. > > This is from my recollection and so I could be slighly off. > > May Sri Vishnu bless us all, > Reema. > > sohamsa , " Sourav " souravc108@ wrote: > > > > > > || Hare Rama Krishna || > > > > Dear Alka-ji, > > > > namaskar. Please find comments below. > > > > Best wishes, > > > > Sourav > > > > ===================================================================== > > sohamsa , Alka Saini alka.saini@ wrote: > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > I am beginner in astrology and I seek some clarifications for > > cancellation of debility. I have read the following 4 points about > > cancellation of debility. > > > > > > 1. If the dipositor of the debilitated planet is in an angulare > house > > from ascendant or the moon. > > > 2. If the lord of the sign where such a planet is exalted is in an > > angle from the acendant or the moon. > > > 3. If the debilitated planet is aspected by its dipositor. > > > 4. The debilitated planet is in own or exalted Navamasa. > > > > > > What I have understood dispositor as: e.g. if mars is placed in > > cancer, then dispositor of mars is moon. Is my understanding correct > for > > dispositor? > > > > > > Now my doubts: > > > > > > 1. If mars is placed in cancer, its dispositor will always be moon, > > which will be in an angle from moon. So, does that mean that mars > never > > gets debilitated or in other words, debiliation gets cancelled due to > > moon. > > > > [sourav]: If that is so then Mangal will never have debility at all ! > > But that cannot be so. We have to understand the Neechabhanga concept > > carefully. It it is caused by Kendra to Chandra then it is due to help > > from society (Chandra is karaka of society). If it is by kendra from > > lagna then it is due to self-effort. Hence, if Mangal is in Karka then > > look for Guru of Shani being in kendra from Chandra or kendra from > > Lagna. > > > > > > > > > > 2. I have not understood the rule number 2 properly. I try by > example > > and u ppl let me know if i am correct. say again if mars is debiliated > > (cancer), so do we have to look at jupiter (it gets exalted in cancer) > > and check if it is in an angular house from moon or asecendant. > > > > [sourav]: Yes > > > > Or we to check the exaltation sign of mars (capricorn) that whether it > > is in an angular house from moon or asecendant. > > > > [sourav]: No > > > > > > 3. if debility is cancelled, then we don't need to perform any > > remedies for debilitated planet? > > > > [sourav]: The correct word is Neecha Bhanga or 'breaking' of neecha > > status. It is not cancellation. Rasi shows situation. When a graha is > in > > neecha status, the person will face situations that are going down or > > becoming unfavourable. So there is initial suffering. When the > > Vimsottari dasa of the graha which is bestowing neechabhanga comes, > the > > situation will become favourable again. So there is suffering first > and > > then removal. > > > > Incidentally, if a graha is retrograde and debilitated, without > > considering other neechabhanga rules, we can say that it is likely to > > give exaltation status after initial suffering or opposing > > circumstances. Similarly, when graha is retrograde and exalted, > opposite > > will happen. > > > > > > > > > > Kindly answer my queries. > > > > > > Alka > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 30, 2006 Report Share Posted July 30, 2006 Dear Sourav, What happens if Mars and Moon are conjunct in Cancer and the ascendant is Capricorn? Thanks. sohamsa , " Sourav " <souravc108 wrote: > > > || Hare Rama Krishna || > > Dear Alka-ji, > > namaskar. Please find comments below. > > Best wishes, > > Sourav > > ===================================================================== > sohamsa , Alka Saini <alka.saini@> wrote: > > > > Hi, > > > > I am beginner in astrology and I seek some clarifications for > cancellation of debility. I have read the following 4 points about > cancellation of debility. > > > > 1. If the dipositor of the debilitated planet is in an angulare house > from ascendant or the moon. > > 2. If the lord of the sign where such a planet is exalted is in an > angle from the acendant or the moon. > > 3. If the debilitated planet is aspected by its dipositor. > > 4. The debilitated planet is in own or exalted Navamasa. > > > > What I have understood dispositor as: e.g. if mars is placed in > cancer, then dispositor of mars is moon. Is my understanding correct for > dispositor? > > > > Now my doubts: > > > > 1. If mars is placed in cancer, its dispositor will always be moon, > which will be in an angle from moon. So, does that mean that mars never > gets debilitated or in other words, debiliation gets cancelled due to > moon. > > [sourav]: If that is so then Mangal will never have debility at all ! > But that cannot be so. We have to understand the Neechabhanga concept > carefully. It it is caused by Kendra to Chandra then it is due to help > from society (Chandra is karaka of society). If it is by kendra from > lagna then it is due to self-effort. Hence, if Mangal is in Karka then > look for Guru of Shani being in kendra from Chandra or kendra from > Lagna. > > > > > > 2. I have not understood the rule number 2 properly. I try by example > and u ppl let me know if i am correct. say again if mars is debiliated > (cancer), so do we have to look at jupiter (it gets exalted in cancer) > and check if it is in an angular house from moon or asecendant. > > [sourav]: Yes > > Or we to check the exaltation sign of mars (capricorn) that whether it > is in an angular house from moon or asecendant. > > [sourav]: No > > > > 3. if debility is cancelled, then we don't need to perform any > remedies for debilitated planet? > > [sourav]: The correct word is Neecha Bhanga or 'breaking' of neecha > status. It is not cancellation. Rasi shows situation. When a graha is in > neecha status, the person will face situations that are going down or > becoming unfavourable. So there is initial suffering. When the > Vimsottari dasa of the graha which is bestowing neechabhanga comes, the > situation will become favourable again. So there is suffering first and > then removal. > > Incidentally, if a graha is retrograde and debilitated, without > considering other neechabhanga rules, we can say that it is likely to > give exaltation status after initial suffering or opposing > circumstances. Similarly, when graha is retrograde and exalted, opposite > will happen. > > > > > > Kindly answer my queries. > > > > Alka > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 31, 2006 Report Share Posted July 31, 2006 Dear Sourav, Whould Neech Bhanga happen if Mangal is in the 7th House in Cancer conjoined with Moon in Cancer with Capricorn as the ascendant? Thanks, Pratik. sohamsa , " Sourav " <souravc108 wrote: > > > || Hare Rama Krishna || > > Dear Reema-ji, > > Namaskar. Comments below. Thanks for > sharing Sanjay-ji's old message. > > Best wishes, > > Sourav > > ============================================================== > sohamsa , " reema_sriganesh " <reema_sriganesh@> > wrote: > > > > || Hare Rama Krishna || > > > > Namaste Sourav, > > > > > Incidentally, if a graha is retrograde and debilitated, without > > considering other neechabhanga > > > rules, we can say that it is likely to give exaltation status after > > initial suffering or opposing > > > circumstances. Similarly, when graha is retrograde and exalted, > > opposite will happen. > > > > I remember reading the following in one of the really old messages of > > Sanjayji on Varahamihira list. > > > > The three conditions that cause neecha-bhanga rajayoga are: > > > > 1) Graha lording the sign where neecha graha is placed is in a kendra > > from lagna or chandra > > > > 2) Graha lording the 7th from the sign where neecha graha is placed is > > in a kendra from lagna or chandra > > > > 3) Graha getting exaltation in the sign where neecha graha is placed > is > > in a kendra from lagna or chandra > > [sourav]: These are traditionally accepted. Navamsa is also checked > (Neecha in rasi and Uchccha in Navamsa) > > > > In addition to these, two more conditions of neecha-bhanga rajayoga, > > which are not mentioned in the classics, are: > > [sourav]: I don't think these are neecha-bhanga per se. The teaching is > that the results are akin to debilitation initialy and then is reversed > to be akin to exaltation. The key word is 'akin to' for example a > debilitated retrograde Shukra in kendra goes not give Malavya yoga but > Shukra has strength due to being vakri ( ref. to strength rules) > > > > 1) Neecha graha is retrograde > > > > 2) Neecha graha is conjoined an uccha graha > > [sourav]: I didnt know of this. Thanks. However, I think the neecha > graha pulls down the uccha graha and the uccha graha is no longer that > exalted. > > Food for Thought: > > (a) Does this relief to the neecha graha depend on the Naisargika > Sambandha ? The reason I put this is that grahas conjoining in a house > get involved in graha yudda and hence this factor may influence the > relief. > > (b) I never read about the quality of neecha-bhanga for example, which > of the neecha-bhanga rules give more strength. This could be related to > extent of debility (i.e. how close the neecha graha is to its deep > debility degree) > > > > > > The last two conditions give neecha-bhanga with a lot of effort. > > > > This is from my recollection and so I could be slighly off. > > > > May Sri Vishnu bless us all, > > Reema. > > > > sohamsa , " Sourav " souravc108@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > || Hare Rama Krishna || > > > > > > Dear Alka-ji, > > > > > > namaskar. Please find comments below. > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > Sourav > > > > > > > ===================================================================== > > > sohamsa , Alka Saini alka.saini@ wrote: > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > I am beginner in astrology and I seek some clarifications for > > > cancellation of debility. I have read the following 4 points about > > > cancellation of debility. > > > > > > > > 1. If the dipositor of the debilitated planet is in an angulare > > house > > > from ascendant or the moon. > > > > 2. If the lord of the sign where such a planet is exalted is in an > > > angle from the acendant or the moon. > > > > 3. If the debilitated planet is aspected by its dipositor. > > > > 4. The debilitated planet is in own or exalted Navamasa. > > > > > > > > What I have understood dispositor as: e.g. if mars is placed in > > > cancer, then dispositor of mars is moon. Is my understanding correct > > for > > > dispositor? > > > > > > > > Now my doubts: > > > > > > > > 1. If mars is placed in cancer, its dispositor will always be > moon, > > > which will be in an angle from moon. So, does that mean that mars > > never > > > gets debilitated or in other words, debiliation gets cancelled due > to > > > moon. > > > > > > [sourav]: If that is so then Mangal will never have debility at all > ! > > > But that cannot be so. We have to understand the Neechabhanga > concept > > > carefully. It it is caused by Kendra to Chandra then it is due to > help > > > from society (Chandra is karaka of society). If it is by kendra from > > > lagna then it is due to self-effort. Hence, if Mangal is in Karka > then > > > look for Guru of Shani being in kendra from Chandra or kendra from > > > Lagna. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. I have not understood the rule number 2 properly. I try by > > example > > > and u ppl let me know if i am correct. say again if mars is > debiliated > > > (cancer), so do we have to look at jupiter (it gets exalted in > cancer) > > > and check if it is in an angular house from moon or asecendant. > > > > > > [sourav]: Yes > > > > > > Or we to check the exaltation sign of mars (capricorn) that whether > it > > > is in an angular house from moon or asecendant. > > > > > > [sourav]: No > > > > > > > > 3. if debility is cancelled, then we don't need to perform any > > > remedies for debilitated planet? > > > > > > [sourav]: The correct word is Neecha Bhanga or 'breaking' of neecha > > > status. It is not cancellation. Rasi shows situation. When a graha > is > > in > > > neecha status, the person will face situations that are going down > or > > > becoming unfavourable. So there is initial suffering. When the > > > Vimsottari dasa of the graha which is bestowing neechabhanga comes, > > the > > > situation will become favourable again. So there is suffering first > > and > > > then removal. > > > > > > Incidentally, if a graha is retrograde and debilitated, without > > > considering other neechabhanga rules, we can say that it is likely > to > > > give exaltation status after initial suffering or opposing > > > circumstances. Similarly, when graha is retrograde and exalted, > > opposite > > > will happen. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kindly answer my queries. > > > > > > > > Alka > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 31, 2006 Report Share Posted July 31, 2006 || Hare Rama Krishna || Namaste Sourav, I am reproducing message # 818 from Sanjayji on Varahamihira list. Please read this carefully, and then see my responses inline. -------------------- Om Jaya Jaya Jagannatha Namamyaham Dear Gauranga, 1. Neechabhanga occurs due to the following: 1.1 A dispositor of the debilitated planet in a Kendra from Lagna or Moon. 1.2. The lord of the seventh from the debilitated planet in a Kendra from Lagna or Moon.. 1.3. The planet which gets exalted in the sign where the debilitated planet is placed is in a kendra from Lagna or Moon. 2. Neechabhanga maybe attained after a lot of effort if: 2.1. The debilitated planet is retrograde. 2.2. The sign with the debilitated planet is conjoined an exalted planet. Whereas rules in (1) above are natural neechabhanga conditions, the rules at (2) have not been explicitly pronounced in the texts and are inferred from what has been mentioned. Om Tat Sat Best Wishes Sanjay Rath -------------------- May Sri Vishnu bless us all, Reema. sohamsa , "Sourav" <souravc108 wrote:>> > || Hare Rama Krishna ||> > Dear Reema-ji,> > Namaskar. Comments below. Thanks for> sharing Sanjay-ji's old message.> > Best wishes,> > Sourav> > ==============================================================> sohamsa , "reema_sriganesh" reema_sriganesh@> wrote:> >> > || Hare Rama Krishna ||> >> > Namaste Sourav,> >> > > Incidentally, if a graha is retrograde and debilitated, without> > considering other neechabhanga> > > rules, we can say that it is likely to give exaltation status after> > initial suffering or opposing> > > circumstances. Similarly, when graha is retrograde and exalted,> > opposite will happen.> >> > I remember reading the following in one of the really old messages of> > Sanjayji on Varahamihira list.> >> > The three conditions that cause neecha-bhanga rajayoga are:> >> > 1) Graha lording the sign where neecha graha is placed is in a kendra> > from lagna or chandra> >> > 2) Graha lording the 7th from the sign where neecha graha is placed is> > in a kendra from lagna or chandra> >> > 3) Graha getting exaltation in the sign where neecha graha is placed> is> > in a kendra from lagna or chandra> > [sourav]: These are traditionally accepted. Navamsa is also checked> (Neecha in rasi and Uchccha in Navamsa) [Reema]: Yes, I have heard this, too. However, does this give neecha-bhanga or it merely adds to the strength of the neecha planet? Please elaborate with references, if possible. > >> > In addition to these, two more conditions of neecha-bhanga rajayoga,> > which are not mentioned in the classics, are:> > [sourav]: I don't think these are neecha-bhanga per se. The teaching is> that the results are akin to debilitation initialy and then is reversed> to be akin to exaltation. The key word is 'akin to' for example a> debilitated retrograde Shukra in kendra goes not give Malavya yoga but> Shukra has strength due to being vakri ( ref. to strength rules) [Reema]: From Sanjayji's email above , he is very clear that these conditions give neecha-bhanga (and not exaltation). Please correct me in case I am missing something. > >> > 1) Neecha graha is retrograde> >> > 2) Neecha graha is conjoined an uccha graha> > [sourav]: I didnt know of this. Thanks. However, I think the neecha> graha pulls down the uccha graha and the uccha graha is no longer that> exalted. [Reema]: Yes, logic dictates that uccha graha should pull down the neecha graha. In fact, I remember reading that dasa of the planet giving neecha-bhanga is not great, usually, whilst that of the planet that gets neecha-bhanga is better. > > Food for Thought:> > (a) Does this relief to the neecha graha depend on the Naisargika> Sambandha ? The reason I put this is that grahas conjoining in a house> get involved in graha yudda and hence this factor may influence the> relief. [Reema]: Very good point. I would think that if a planet giving neecha bhanga is weak due to combustion, uccha-bhanga (exalted in rasi, but debilitated in navamsa), or defeat in graha-yuddha, its potential to give neecha-bhanga would reduce. > > (b) I never read about the quality of neecha-bhanga for example, which> of the neecha-bhanga rules give more strength. This could be related to> extent of debility (i.e. how close the neecha graha is to its deep> debility degree) [Reema]: Definitely a point worth discussion. I would like to add two questions of my own, in fact. 1) A retrograde neecha planet gives neecha-bhanga after a lot of hard work. Given that nodes are always retrograde, does it mean that debilitated nodes satisfy this condition for neecha-bhanga always? 2) Why does the last condition (exalted planet conjoined the neecha planet gives neecha-bhanga) mentioned by Sanjayji gives neecha-bhanga after a lot of effort? Retrograde planets make you work very hard and so I can understand why a retrograde neecha planet gives neecha-bhanga after a lot of hard work. However, why should an exalted planet conjoined with a neecha planet give neecha-bhanga after a lot of effort? > > > >> > The last two conditions give neecha-bhanga with a lot of effort.> >> > This is from my recollection and so I could be slighly off.> >> > May Sri Vishnu bless us all,> > Reema.> >> > sohamsa , "Sourav" souravc108@ wrote:> > >> > >> > > || Hare Rama Krishna ||> > >> > > Dear Alka-ji,> > >> > > namaskar. Please find comments below.> > >> > > Best wishes,> > >> > > Sourav> > >> > >> =====================================================================> > > sohamsa , Alka Saini alka.saini@ wrote:> > > >> > > > Hi,> > > >> > > > I am beginner in astrology and I seek some clarifications for> > > cancellation of debility. I have read the following 4 points about> > > cancellation of debility.> > > >> > > > 1. If the dipositor of the debilitated planet is in an angulare> > house> > > from ascendant or the moon.> > > > 2. If the lord of the sign where such a planet is exalted is in an> > > angle from the acendant or the moon.> > > > 3. If the debilitated planet is aspected by its dipositor.> > > > 4. The debilitated planet is in own or exalted Navamasa.> > > >> > > > What I have understood dispositor as: e.g. if mars is placed in> > > cancer, then dispositor of mars is moon. Is my understanding correct> > for> > > dispositor?> > > >> > > > Now my doubts:> > > >> > > > 1. If mars is placed in cancer, its dispositor will always be> moon,> > > which will be in an angle from moon. So, does that mean that mars> > never> > > gets debilitated or in other words, debiliation gets cancelled due> to> > > moon.> > >> > > [sourav]: If that is so then Mangal will never have debility at all> !> > > But that cannot be so. We have to understand the Neechabhanga> concept> > > carefully. It it is caused by Kendra to Chandra then it is due to> help> > > from society (Chandra is karaka of society). If it is by kendra from> > > lagna then it is due to self-effort. Hence, if Mangal is in Karka> then> > > look for Guru of Shani being in kendra from Chandra or kendra from> > > Lagna.> > >> > >> > > >> > > > 2. I have not understood the rule number 2 properly. I try by> > example> > > and u ppl let me know if i am correct. say again if mars is> debiliated> > > (cancer), so do we have to look at jupiter (it gets exalted in> cancer)> > > and check if it is in an angular house from moon or asecendant.> > >> > > [sourav]: Yes> > >> > > Or we to check the exaltation sign of mars (capricorn) that whether> it> > > is in an angular house from moon or asecendant.> > >> > > [sourav]: No> > > >> > > > 3. if debility is cancelled, then we don't need to perform any> > > remedies for debilitated planet?> > >> > > [sourav]: The correct word is Neecha Bhanga or 'breaking' of neecha> > > status. It is not cancellation. Rasi shows situation. When a graha> is> > in> > > neecha status, the person will face situations that are going down> or> > > becoming unfavourable. So there is initial suffering. When the> > > Vimsottari dasa of the graha which is bestowing neechabhanga comes,> > the> > > situation will become favourable again. So there is suffering first> > and> > > then removal.> > >> > > Incidentally, if a graha is retrograde and debilitated, without> > > considering other neechabhanga rules, we can say that it is likely> to> > > give exaltation status after initial suffering or opposing> > > circumstances. Similarly, when graha is retrograde and exalted,> > opposite> > > will happen.> > >> > >> > > >> > > > Kindly answer my queries.> > > >> > > > Alka> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 31, 2006 Report Share Posted July 31, 2006 OM SHRI RAGHAVENDRAAYA NAMAH OM SHRI LAKSHMI NRUSIMHAAYA NAMAH Dear Sourav and others, Please go through my chart which shows Budha,the 9th and 6th lord in Neecha Sthana in Meena and also there is Vipareeta Raja Yoga in this chart. I hope you will discuss the topics mentioned above and give your inputs. With Shri Vaayu Guru Naama Smarana, Ramadas Rao.Sourav <souravc108 wrote: || Hare Rama Krishna || Dear Reema-ji, Namaskar. Comments below. Thanks for sharing Sanjay-ji's old message. Best wishes, Sourav ==============================================================sohamsa , "reema_sriganesh" <reema_sriganesh wrote:>> || Hare Rama Krishna ||> > Namaste Sourav,> > > Incidentally, if a graha is retrograde and debilitated, without> considering other neechabhanga> > rules, we can say that it is likely to give exaltation status after> initial suffering or opposing> > circumstances. Similarly, when graha is retrograde and exalted,> opposite will happen.> > I remember reading the following in one of the really old messages of> Sanjayji on Varahamihira list.> > The three conditions that cause neecha-bhanga rajayoga are:> > 1) Graha lording the sign where neecha graha is placed is in a kendra> from lagna or chandra> > 2) Graha lording the 7th from the sign where neecha graha is placed is> in a kendra from lagna or chandra> > 3) Graha getting exaltation in the sign where neecha graha is placed is> in a kendra from lagna or chandra [sourav]: These are traditionally accepted. Navamsa is also checked (Neecha in rasi and Uchccha in Navamsa)> > In addition to these, two more conditions of neecha-bhanga rajayoga,> which are not mentioned in the classics, are: [sourav]: I don't think these are neecha-bhanga per se. The teaching is that the results are akin to debilitation initialy and then is reversed to be akin to exaltation. The key word is 'akin to' for example a debilitated retrograde Shukra in kendra goes not give Malavya yoga but Shukra has strength due to being vakri ( ref. to strength rules)> > 1) Neecha graha is retrograde> > 2) Neecha graha is conjoined an uccha graha [sourav]: I didnt know of this. Thanks. However, I think the neecha graha pulls down the uccha graha and the uccha graha is no longer that exalted. Food for Thought: (a) Does this relief to the neecha graha depend on the Naisargika Sambandha ? The reason I put this is that grahas conjoining in a house get involved in graha yudda and hence this factor may influence the relief. (b) I never read about the quality of neecha-bhanga for example, which of the neecha-bhanga rules give more strength. This could be related to extent of debility (i.e. how close the neecha graha is to its deep debility degree) > > The last two conditions give neecha-bhanga with a lot of effort.> > This is from my recollection and so I could be slighly off.> > May Sri Vishnu bless us all,> Reema.> > sohamsa , "Sourav" souravc108@ wrote:> >> >> > || Hare Rama Krishna ||> >> > Dear Alka-ji,> >> > namaskar. Please find comments below.> >> > Best wishes,> >> > Sourav> >> > =====================================================================> > sohamsa , Alka Saini alka.saini@ wrote:> > >> > > Hi,> > >> > > I am beginner in astrology and I seek some clarifications for> > cancellation of debility. I have read the following 4 points about> > cancellation of debility.> > >> > > 1. If the dipositor of the debilitated planet is in an angulare> house> > from ascendant or the moon.> > > 2. If the lord of the sign where such a planet is exalted is in an> > angle from the acendant or the moon.> > > 3. If the debilitated planet is aspected by its dipositor.> > > 4. The debilitated planet is in own or exalted Navamasa.> > >> > > What I have understood dispositor as: e.g. if mars is placed in> > cancer, then dispositor of mars is moon. Is my understanding correct> for> > dispositor?> > >> > > Now my doubts:> > >> > > 1. If mars is placed in cancer, its dispositor will always be moon,> > which will be in an angle from moon. So, does that mean that mars> never> > gets debilitated or in other words, debiliation gets cancelled due to> > moon.> >> > [sourav]: If that is so then Mangal will never have debility at all !> > But that cannot be so. We have to understand the Neechabhanga concept> > carefully. It it is caused by Kendra to Chandra then it is due to help> > from society (Chandra is karaka of society). If it is by kendra from> > lagna then it is due to self-effort. Hence, if Mangal is in Karka then> > look for Guru of Shani being in kendra from Chandra or kendra from> > Lagna.> >> >> > >> > > 2. I have not understood the rule number 2 properly. I try by> example> > and u ppl let me know if i am correct. say again if mars is debiliated> > (cancer), so do we have to look at jupiter (it gets exalted in cancer)> > and check if it is in an angular house from moon or asecendant.> >> > [sourav]: Yes> >> > Or we to check the exaltation sign of mars (capricorn) that whether it> > is in an angular house from moon or asecendant.> >> > [sourav]: No> > >> > > 3. if debility is cancelled, then we don't need to perform any> > remedies for debilitated planet?> >> > [sourav]: The correct word is Neecha Bhanga or 'breaking' of neecha> > status. It is not cancellation. Rasi shows situation. When a graha is> in> > neecha status, the person will face situations that are going down or> > becoming unfavourable. So there is initial suffering. When the> > Vimsottari dasa of the graha which is bestowing neechabhanga comes,> the> > situation will become favourable again. So there is suffering first> and> > then removal.> >> > Incidentally, if a graha is retrograde and debilitated, without> > considering other neechabhanga rules, we can say that it is likely to> > give exaltation status after initial suffering or opposing> > circumstances. Similarly, when graha is retrograde and exalted,> opposite> > will happen.> >> >> > >> > > Kindly answer my queries.> > >> > > Alka> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> Here’s a new way to find what you're looking for - Answers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 31, 2006 Report Share Posted July 31, 2006 OM SHRI RAGHAVENDRAAYA NAMAH OM SHRI LAKSHMI NRUSIMHAAYA NAMAH Dear Sourav and others, Please go through my chart which shows Budha,the 9th and 6th lord in Neecha Sthana in Meena and also there is Vipareeta Raja Yoga in this chart. I hope you will discuss the topics mentioned above and give your inputs. With Shri Vaayu Guru Naama Smarana, Ramadas Rao.Sourav <souravc108 wrote: || Hare Rama Krishna || Dear Reema-ji, Namaskar. Comments below. Thanks for sharing Sanjay-ji's old message. Best wishes, Sourav ==============================================================sohamsa , "reema_sriganesh" <reema_sriganesh wrote:>> || Hare Rama Krishna ||> > Namaste Sourav,> > > Incidentally, if a graha is retrograde and debilitated, without> considering other neechabhanga> > rules, we can say that it is likely to give exaltation status after> initial suffering or opposing> > circumstances. Similarly, when graha is retrograde and exalted,> opposite will happen.> > I remember reading the following in one of the really old messages of> Sanjayji on Varahamihira list.> > The three conditions that cause neecha-bhanga rajayoga are:> > 1) Graha lording the sign where neecha graha is placed is in a kendra> from lagna or chandra> > 2) Graha lording the 7th from the sign where neecha graha is placed is> in a kendra from lagna or chandra> > 3) Graha getting exaltation in the sign where neecha graha is placed is> in a kendra from lagna or chandra [sourav]: These are traditionally accepted. Navamsa is also checked (Neecha in rasi and Uchccha in Navamsa)> > In addition to these, two more conditions of neecha-bhanga rajayoga,> which are not mentioned in the classics, are: [sourav]: I don't think these are neecha-bhanga per se. The teaching is that the results are akin to debilitation initialy and then is reversed to be akin to exaltation. The key word is 'akin to' for example a debilitated retrograde Shukra in kendra goes not give Malavya yoga but Shukra has strength due to being vakri ( ref. to strength rules)> > 1) Neecha graha is retrograde> > 2) Neecha graha is conjoined an uccha graha [sourav]: I didnt know of this. Thanks. However, I think the neecha graha pulls down the uccha graha and the uccha graha is no longer that exalted. Food for Thought: (a) Does this relief to the neecha graha depend on the Naisargika Sambandha ? The reason I put this is that grahas conjoining in a house get involved in graha yudda and hence this factor may influence the relief. (b) I never read about the quality of neecha-bhanga for example, which of the neecha-bhanga rules give more strength. This could be related to extent of debility (i.e. how close the neecha graha is to its deep debility degree) > > The last two conditions give neecha-bhanga with a lot of effort.> > This is from my recollection and so I could be slighly off.> > May Sri Vishnu bless us all,> Reema.> > sohamsa , "Sourav" souravc108@ wrote:> >> >> > || Hare Rama Krishna ||> >> > Dear Alka-ji,> >> > namaskar. Please find comments below.> >> > Best wishes,> >> > Sourav> >> > =====================================================================> > sohamsa , Alka Saini alka.saini@ wrote:> > >> > > Hi,> > >> > > I am beginner in astrology and I seek some clarifications for> > cancellation of debility. I have read the following 4 points about> > cancellation of debility.> > >> > > 1. If the dipositor of the debilitated planet is in an angulare> house> > from ascendant or the moon.> > > 2. If the lord of the sign where such a planet is exalted is in an> > angle from the acendant or the moon.> > > 3. If the debilitated planet is aspected by its dipositor.> > > 4. The debilitated planet is in own or exalted Navamasa.> > >> > > What I have understood dispositor as: e.g. if mars is placed in> > cancer, then dispositor of mars is moon. Is my understanding correct> for> > dispositor?> > >> > > Now my doubts:> > >> > > 1. If mars is placed in cancer, its dispositor will always be moon,> > which will be in an angle from moon. So, does that mean that mars> never> > gets debilitated or in other words, debiliation gets cancelled due to> > moon.> >> > [sourav]: If that is so then Mangal will never have debility at all !> > But that cannot be so. We have to understand the Neechabhanga concept> > carefully. It it is caused by Kendra to Chandra then it is due to help> > from society (Chandra is karaka of society). If it is by kendra from> > lagna then it is due to self-effort. Hence, if Mangal is in Karka then> > look for Guru of Shani being in kendra from Chandra or kendra from> > Lagna.> >> >> > >> > > 2. I have not understood the rule number 2 properly. I try by> example> > and u ppl let me know if i am correct. say again if mars is debiliated> > (cancer), so do we have to look at jupiter (it gets exalted in cancer)> > and check if it is in an angular house from moon or asecendant.> >> > [sourav]: Yes> >> > Or we to check the exaltation sign of mars (capricorn) that whether it> > is in an angular house from moon or asecendant.> >> > [sourav]: No> > >> > > 3. if debility is cancelled, then we don't need to perform any> > remedies for debilitated planet?> >> > [sourav]: The correct word is Neecha Bhanga or 'breaking' of neecha> > status. It is not cancellation. Rasi shows situation. When a graha is> in> > neecha status, the person will face situations that are going down or> > becoming unfavourable. So there is initial suffering. When the> > Vimsottari dasa of the graha which is bestowing neechabhanga comes,> the> > situation will become favourable again. So there is suffering first> and> > then removal.> >> > Incidentally, if a graha is retrograde and debilitated, without> > considering other neechabhanga rules, we can say that it is likely to> > give exaltation status after initial suffering or opposing> > circumstances. Similarly, when graha is retrograde and exalted,> opposite> > will happen.> >> >> > >> > > Kindly answer my queries.> > >> > > Alka> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> Here’s a new way to find what you're looking for - Answers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 31, 2006 Report Share Posted July 31, 2006 om namo bhagavate vasudevaya Dear Ramdas ji I did not find a nicabhanga for Mercury and hence the Viparita Raja Yoga is very good. This is fortunate but will cause one to seek fortune in foreign lands as the 12th lord is strong. With best wishes and warm regards, Sanjay Rath * * * Sri Jagannath Center® 15B Gangaram Hospital Road New Delhi 110060, India http://srath.com, +91-11-25717162 * * * sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of Ramadas RaoSunday, July 30, 2006 10:26 PMsohamsa Subject: Re: Re: cancellation of debility rules?? OM SHRI RAGHAVENDRAAYA NAMAH OM SHRI LAKSHMI NRUSIMHAAYA NAMAH Dear Sourav and others, Please go through my chart which shows Budha,the 9th and 6th lord in Neecha Sthana in Meena and also there is Vipareeta Raja Yoga in this chart. I hope you will discuss the topics mentioned above and give your inputs. With Shri Vaayu Guru Naama Smarana, Ramadas Rao.Sourav <souravc108 wrote: || Hare Rama Krishna || Dear Reema-ji, Namaskar. Comments below. Thanks for sharing Sanjay-ji's old message. Best wishes, Sourav ==============================================================sohamsa , "reema_sriganesh" <reema_sriganesh wrote:>> || Hare Rama Krishna ||> > Namaste Sourav,> > > Incidentally, if a graha is retrograde and debilitated, without> considering other neechabhanga> > rules, we can say that it is likely to give exaltation status after> initial suffering or opposing> > circumstances. Similarly, when graha is retrograde and exalted,> opposite will happen.> > I remember reading the following in one of the really old messages of> Sanjayji on Varahamihira list.> > The three conditions that cause neecha-bhanga rajayoga are:> > 1) Graha lording the sign where neecha graha is placed is in a kendra> from lagna or chandra> > 2) Graha lording the 7th from the sign where neecha graha is placed is> in a kendra from lagna or chandra> > 3) Graha getting exaltation in the sign where neecha graha is placed is> in a kendra from lagna or chandra [sourav]: These are traditionally accepted. Navamsa is also checked (Neecha in rasi and Uchccha in Navamsa)> > In addition to these, two more conditions of neecha-bhanga rajayoga,> which are not mentioned in the classics, are: [sourav]: I don't think these are neecha-bhanga per se. The teaching is that the results are akin to debilitation initialy and then is reversed to be akin to exaltation. The key word is 'akin to' for example a debilitated retrograde Shukra in kendra goes not give Malavya yoga but Shukra has strength due to being vakri ( ref. to strength rules)> > 1) Neecha graha is retrograde> > 2) Neecha graha is conjoined an uccha graha [sourav]: I didnt know of this. Thanks. However, I think the neecha graha pulls down the uccha graha and the uccha graha is no longer that exalted. Food for Thought: (a) Does this relief to the neecha graha depend on the Naisargika Sambandha ? The reason I put this is that grahas conjoining in a house get involved in graha yudda and hence this factor may influence the relief. (b) I never read about the quality of neecha-bhanga for example, which of the neecha-bhanga rules give more strength. This could be related to extent of debility (i.e. how close the neecha graha is to its deep debility degree) > > The last two conditions give neecha-bhanga with a lot of effort.> > This is from my recollection and so I could be slighly off.> > May Sri Vishnu bless us all,> Reema.> > sohamsa , "Sourav" souravc108@ wrote:> >> >> > || Hare Rama Krishna ||> >> > Dear Alka-ji,> >> > namaskar. Please find comments below.> >> > Best wishes,> >> > Sourav> >> > =====================================================================> > sohamsa , Alka Saini alka.saini@ wrote:> > >> > > Hi,> > >> > > I am beginner in astrology and I seek some clarifications for> > cancellation of debility. I have read the following 4 points about> > cancellation of debility.> > >> > > 1. If the dipositor of the debilitated planet is in an angulare> house> > from ascendant or the moon.> > > 2. If the lord of the sign where such a planet is exalted is in an> > angle from the acendant or the moon.> > > 3. If the debilitated planet is aspected by its dipositor.> > > 4. The debilitated planet is in own or exalted Navamasa.> > >> > > What I have understood dispositor as: e.g. if mars is placed in> > cancer, then dispositor of mars is moon. Is my understanding correct> for> > dispositor?> > >> > > Now my doubts:> > >> > > 1. If mars is placed in cancer, its dispositor will always be moon,> > which will be in an angle from moon. So, does that mean that mars> never> > gets debilitated or in other words, debiliation gets cancelled due to> > moon.> >> > [sourav]: If that is so then Mangal will never have debility at all !> > But that cannot be so. We have to understand the Neechabhanga concept> > carefully. It it is caused by Kendra to Chandra then it is due to help> > from society (Chandra is karaka of society). If it is by kendra from> > lagna then it is due to self-effort. Hence, if Mangal is in Karka then> > look for Guru of Shani being in kendra from Chandra or kendra from> > Lagna.> >> >> > >> > > 2. I have not understood the rule number 2 properly. I try by> example> > and u ppl let me know if i am correct. say again if mars is debiliated> > (cancer), so do we have to look at jupiter (it gets exalted in cancer)> > and check if it is in an angular house from moon or asecendant.> >> > [sourav]: Yes> >> > Or we to check the exaltation sign of mars (capricorn) that whether it> > is in an angular house from moon or asecendant.> >> > [sourav]: No> > >> > > 3. if debility is cancelled, then we don't need to perform any> > remedies for debilitated planet?> >> > [sourav]: The correct word is Neecha Bhanga or 'breaking' of neecha> > status. It is not cancellation. Rasi shows situation. When a graha is> in> > neecha status, the person will face situations that are going down or> > becoming unfavourable. So there is initial suffering. When the> > Vimsottari dasa of the graha which is bestowing neechabhanga comes,> the> > situation will become favourable again. So there is suffering first> and> > then removal.> >> > Incidentally, if a graha is retrograde and debilitated, without> > considering other neechabhanga rules, we can say that it is likely to> > give exaltation status after initial suffering or opposing> > circumstances. Similarly, when graha is retrograde and exalted,> opposite> > will happen.> >> >> > >> > > Kindly answer my queries.> > >> > > Alka> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> Here’s a new way to find what you're looking for - Answers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 31, 2006 Report Share Posted July 31, 2006 || Hare Rama Krishna || Dear Sri Ramadas-ji, Pranam. Can you kindly send your birth details, please ? I do not get attachments. If you can write intext, it would be nice. Thanks. Best wishes, Sourav =================================================================sohamsa , "Sanjay Rath" <sanjayrath wrote:>> > > > om namo bhagavate vasudevaya> > Dear Ramdas ji> I did not find a nicabhanga for Mercury and hence the Viparita Raja Yoga is> very good. This is fortunate but will cause one to seek fortune in foreign> lands as the 12th lord is strong.> > With best wishes and warm regards,> Sanjay Rath> * * *> Sri Jagannath CenterR> 15B Gangaram Hospital Road > New Delhi 110060, India> <http://srath.com/> http://srath.com, +91-11-25717162> * * *> > > _____ > > sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of> Ramadas Rao> Sunday, July 30, 2006 10:26 PM> sohamsa > Re: Re: cancellation of debility rules??> > > OM SHRI RAGHAVENDRAAYA NAMAH> OM SHRI LAKSHMI NRUSIMHAAYA NAMAH> Dear Sourav and others,> Please go through my chart which shows Budha,the 9th and 6th lord in Neecha> Sthana in Meena and also there is Vipareeta Raja Yoga in this chart.> I hope you will discuss the topics mentioned above and give your inputs.> With Shri Vaayu Guru Naama Smarana,> Ramadas Rao.> > Sourav souravc108 wrote:> > || Hare Rama Krishna ||> Dear Reema-ji,> Namaskar. Comments below. Thanks for sharing> Sanjay-ji's old message.> Best wishes,> Sourav> ==============================================================> sohamsa , "reema_sriganesh" reema_sriganesh@> wrote:> >> > || Hare Rama Krishna ||> > > > Namaste Sourav,> > > > > Incidentally, if a graha is retrograde and debilitated, without> > considering other neechabhanga> > > rules, we can say that it is likely to give exaltation status after> > initial suffering or opposing> > > circumstances. Similarly, when graha is retrograde and exalted,> > opposite will happen.> > > > I remember reading the following in one of the really old messages of> > Sanjayji on Varahamihira list.> > > > The three conditions that cause neecha-bhanga rajayoga are:> > > > 1) Graha lording the sign where neecha graha is placed is in a kendra> > from lagna or chandra> > > > 2) Graha lording the 7th from the sign where neecha graha is placed is> > in a kendra from lagna or chandra> > > > 3) Graha getting exaltation in the sign where neecha graha is placed is> > in a kendra from lagna or chandra> [sourav]: These are traditionally accepted. Navamsa is also checked (Neecha> in rasi and Uchccha in Navamsa)> > > > In addition to these, two more conditions of neecha-bhanga rajayoga,> > which are not mentioned in the classics, are:> [sourav]: I don't think these are neecha-bhanga per se. The teaching is that> the results are akin to debilitation initialy and then is reversed to be> akin to exaltation. The key word is 'akin to' for example a debilitated> retrograde Shukra in kendra goes not give Malavya yoga but Shukra has> strength due to being vakri ( ref. to strength rules)> > > > 1) Neecha graha is retrograde> > > > 2) Neecha graha is conjoined an uccha graha> [sourav]: I didnt know of this. Thanks. However, I think the neecha graha> pulls down the uccha graha and the uccha graha is no longer that exalted.> Food for Thought: > (a) Does this relief to the neecha graha depend on the Naisargika Sambandha> ? The reason I put this is that grahas conjoining in a house get involved in> graha yudda and hence this factor may influence the relief.> (b) I never read about the quality of neecha-bhanga for example, which of> the neecha-bhanga rules give more strength. This could be related to extent> of debility (i.e. how close the neecha graha is to its deep debility degree)> > > > > The last two conditions give neecha-bhanga with a lot of effort.> > > > This is from my recollection and so I could be slighly off.> > > > May Sri Vishnu bless us all,> > Reema.> > > > sohamsa , "Sourav" souravc108@ wrote:> > >> > >> > > || Hare Rama Krishna ||> > >> > > Dear Alka-ji,> > >> > > namaskar. Please find comments below.> > >> > > Best wishes,> > >> > > Sourav> > >> > > =====================================================================> > > sohamsa , Alka Saini alka.saini@ wrote:> > > >> > > > Hi,> > > >> > > > I am beginner in astrology and I seek some clarifications for> > > cancellation of debility. I have read the following 4 points about> > > cancellation of debility.> > > >> > > > 1. If the dipositor of the debilitated planet is in an angulare> > house> > > from ascendant or the moon.> > > > 2. If the lord of the sign where such a planet is exalted is in an> > > angle from the acendant or the moon.> > > > 3. If the debilitated planet is aspected by its dipositor.> > > > 4. The debilitated planet is in own or exalted Navamasa.> > > >> > > > What I have understood dispositor as: e.g. if mars is placed in> > > cancer, then dispositor of mars is moon. Is my understanding correct> > for> > > dispositor?> > > >> > > > Now my doubts:> > > >> > > > 1. If mars is placed in cancer, its dispositor will always be moon,> > > which will be in an angle from moon. So, does that mean that mars> > never> > > gets debilitated or in other words, debiliation gets cancelled due to> > > moon.> > >> > > [sourav]: If that is so then Mangal will never have debility at all !> > > But that cannot be so. We have to understand the Neechabhanga concept> > > carefully. It it is caused by Kendra to Chandra then it is due to help> > > from society (Chandra is karaka of society). If it is by kendra from> > > lagna then it is due to self-effort. Hence, if Mangal is in Karka then> > > look for Guru of Shani being in kendra from Chandra or kendra from> > > Lagna.> > >> > >> > > >> > > > 2. I have not understood the rule number 2 properly. I try by> > example> > > and u ppl let me know if i am correct. say again if mars is debiliated> > > (cancer), so do we have to look at jupiter (it gets exalted in cancer)> > > and check if it is in an angular house from moon or asecendant.> > >> > > [sourav]: Yes> > >> > > Or we to check the exaltation sign of mars (capricorn) that whether it> > > is in an angular house from moon or asecendant.> > >> > > [sourav]: No> > > >> > > > 3. if debility is cancelled, then we don't need to perform any> > > remedies for debilitated planet?> > >> > > [sourav]: The correct word is Neecha Bhanga or 'breaking' of neecha> > > status. It is not cancellation. Rasi shows situation. When a graha is> > in> > > neecha status, the person will face situations that are going down or> > > becoming unfavourable. So there is initial suffering. When the> > > Vimsottari dasa of the graha which is bestowing neechabhanga comes,> > the> > > situation will become favourable again. So there is suffering first> > and> > > then removal.> > >> > > Incidentally, if a graha is retrograde and debilitated, without> > > considering other neechabhanga rules, we can say that it is likely to> > > give exaltation status after initial suffering or opposing> > > circumstances. Similarly, when graha is retrograde and exalted,> > opposite> > > will happen.> > >> > >> > > >> > > > Kindly answer my queries.> > > >> > > > Alka> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > >> >> > > > > _____ > > Here's a new way to find what you're looking for - > <http://us.rd./mail/in/yanswers/*http://in.answers./>> Answers> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 1, 2006 Report Share Posted August 1, 2006 || Hare Rama Krishna || Namaste Vistiji, Velkommen igen! I don't think I have seen such clear explanation (with quantification, no less) on neecha-bhanga before. Thank you for the excellent upadesa on cancellation of debility! May Sri Vishnu bless us all, Reema. sohamsa , "Visti Larsen" <visti wrote:>> ||Hare Rama Krsna||> > Dear Sourav and Reema, Namaskar> > I just arrived home, and decided to post a little mail.> > Neecha Bhanga happens in stages and can be equated to percentages.> > If ONE among the planets who are (1) exalted in the debilitation sign, (2)> lording the exaltation sign and (3) lording the debilitation sign, are in> Kendra to lagna/moon, then the neecha bhanga is only considered to be 25%> (1/4th pada). If two, then 50% and then considerable results are felt,> whilst if three then it is 75%. Here the efforts are put in by the native> either through their own efforts (lagna) or through mantra and determination> of mind (moon) to get OUT of the state of debilitation.> > Exaltation in navamsa always offers 100% neecha bhanga (purna pada), as this> is a blessing from GOD.> > > > Retrogression causes an atma-level-desire causing the dristis to be very> strong, and in a debilitation sign causes a strong desire to reap the> effects of exaltation, and through the persons own personal determination> they reap the effects of exaltation over time.. Especially if this planet is> associated with lagna, otherwise the effects are restricted to the dasa of> the particular planet. This scenarrio in an exaltation sign does cause the> desire for renunciation of fruits, just see Saturn in the chart of Sri> Ramakrishna Paramahamsa.> > > > Exalted planets joined debilitated planets is like a beggar meeting a> millionaire. The Beggar benefits from the millionaires donations, whilst the> millionaire has to suffer the emptying of his wallet. Hence the dasa of the> debilitated planet becomes auspicious, whilst the opposite is so for the> exalted planet. In my experience this is more noteworthy during dasas of> these planets. Bill Gates has a debilitated Sun joined an exalted Saturn,> and during Sun dasa he has continued his excellent growth of wealth.> > > > Best wishes,> > ***> > Visti Larsen> > For services and articles visit: > > <http://srigaruda.com> http://srigaruda.com> > ***> > _____ > > sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of> Sourav> 29 July 2006 07:47> sohamsa > Re: cancellation of debility rules??> > > > || Hare Rama Krishna ||> > Dear Reema-ji,> > Namaskar. Comments below. Thanks for sharing> Sanjay-ji's old message.> > Best wishes,> > Sourav> > ==============================================================> sohamsa , "reema_sriganesh" reema_sriganesh@> wrote:> >> > || Hare Rama Krishna ||> > > > Namaste Sourav,> > > > > Incidentally, if a graha is retrograde and debilitated, without> > considering other neechabhanga> > > rules, we can say that it is likely to give exaltation status after> > initial suffering or opposing> > > circumstances. Similarly, when graha is retrograde and exalted,> > opposite will happen.> > > > I remember reading the following in one of the really old messages of> > Sanjayji on Varahamihira list.> > > > The three conditions that cause neecha-bhanga rajayoga are:> > > > 1) Graha lording the sign where neecha graha is placed is in a kendra> > from lagna or chandra> > > > 2) Graha lording the 7th from the sign where neecha graha is placed is> > in a kendra from lagna or chandra> > > > 3) Graha getting exaltation in the sign where neecha graha is placed is> > in a kendra from lagna or chandra> > [sourav]: These are traditionally accepted. Navamsa is also checked (Neecha> in rasi and Uchccha in Navamsa)> > > > In addition to these, two more conditions of neecha-bhanga rajayoga,> > which are not mentioned in the classics, are:> > [sourav]: I don't think these are neecha-bhanga per se. The teaching is that> the results are akin to debilitation initialy and then is reversed to be> akin to exaltation. The key word is 'akin to' for example a debilitated> retrograde Shukra in kendra goes not give Malavya yoga but Shukra has> strength due to being vakri ( ref. to strength rules)> > > > 1) Neecha graha is retrograde> > > > 2) Neecha graha is conjoined an uccha graha> > [sourav]: I didnt know of this. Thanks. However, I think the neecha graha> pulls down the uccha graha and the uccha graha is no longer that exalted.> > Food for Thought: > > (a) Does this relief to the neecha graha depend on the Naisargika Sambandha> ? The reason I put this is that grahas conjoining in a house get involved in> graha yudda and hence this factor may influence the relief.> > (b) I never read about the quality of neecha-bhanga for example, which of> the neecha-bhanga rules give more strength. This could be related to extent> of debility (i.e. how close the neecha graha is to its deep debility degree)> > > > > > The last two conditions give neecha-bhanga with a lot of effort.> > > > This is from my recollection and so I could be slighly off.> > > > May Sri Vishnu bless us all,> > Reema.> > > > sohamsa , "Sourav" souravc108@ wrote:> > >> > >> > > || Hare Rama Krishna ||> > >> > > Dear Alka-ji,> > >> > > namaskar. Please find comments below.> > >> > > Best wishes,> > >> > > Sourav> > >> > > =====================================================================> > > sohamsa , Alka Saini alka.saini@ wrote:> > > >> > > > Hi,> > > >> > > > I am beginner in astrology and I seek some clarifications for> > > cancellation of debility. I have read the following 4 points about> > > cancellation of debility.> > > >> > > > 1. If the dipositor of the debilitated planet is in an angulare> > house> > > from ascendant or the moon.> > > > 2. If the lord of the sign where such a planet is exalted is in an> > > angle from the acendant or the moon.> > > > 3. If the debilitated planet is aspected by its dipositor.> > > > 4. The debilitated planet is in own or exalted Navamasa.> > > >> > > > What I have understood dispositor as: e.g. if mars is placed in> > > cancer, then dispositor of mars is moon. Is my understanding correct> > for> > > dispositor?> > > >> > > > Now my doubts:> > > >> > > > 1. If mars is placed in cancer, its dispositor will always be moon,> > > which will be in an angle from moon. So, does that mean that mars> > never> > > gets debilitated or in other words, debiliation gets cancelled due to> > > moon.> > >> > > [sourav]: If that is so then Mangal will never have debility at all !> > > But that cannot be so. We have to understand the Neechabhanga concept> > > carefully. It it is caused by Kendra to Chandra then it is due to help> > > from society (Chandra is karaka of society). If it is by kendra from> > > lagna then it is due to self-effort. Hence, if Mangal is in Karka then> > > look for Guru of Shani being in kendra from Chandra or kendra from> > > Lagna.> > >> > >> > > >> > > > 2. I have not understood the rule number 2 properly. I try by> > example> > > and u ppl let me know if i am correct. say again if mars is debiliated> > > (cancer), so do we have to look at jupiter (it gets exalted in cancer)> > > and check if it is in an angular house from moon or asecendant.> > >> > > [sourav]: Yes> > >> > > Or we to check the exaltation sign of mars (capricorn) that whether it> > > is in an angular house from moon or asecendant.> > >> > > [sourav]: No> > > >> > > > 3. if debility is cancelled, then we don't need to perform any> > > remedies for debilitated planet?> > >> > > [sourav]: The correct word is Neecha Bhanga or 'breaking' of neecha> > > status. It is not cancellation. Rasi shows situation. When a graha is> > in> > > neecha status, the person will face situations that are going down or> > > becoming unfavourable. So there is initial suffering. When the> > > Vimsottari dasa of the graha which is bestowing neechabhanga comes,> > the> > > situation will become favourable again. So there is suffering first> > and> > > then removal.> > >> > > Incidentally, if a graha is retrograde and debilitated, without> > > considering other neechabhanga rules, we can say that it is likely to> > > give exaltation status after initial suffering or opposing> > > circumstances. Similarly, when graha is retrograde and exalted,> > opposite> > > will happen.> > >> > >> > > >> > > > Kindly answer my queries.> > > >> > > > Alka> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 1, 2006 Report Share Posted August 1, 2006 Dear Reema Ji, Sourav Ji and Sanjay Ji, For sake of practice, I will put some examples for the rules and let me know If I am correct or not. I want to master the basics so that I can learn astrology. 1. Neechabhanga occurs due to the following:1.1 A dispositor of the debilitated planet in a Kendra from Lagna or Moon. [My Example]: Say if Mecury is debiliated (Pisces); So Jupiter should be in kendra from moon or lagna for neechbhanga to be cause.1.2. The lord of the seventh from the debilitated planet in a Kendra fromLagna or Moon.. [My Example]: Say Mars is debilitated in Lagna (cancer), then capricorn will become 7th house and it's lord saturn should be placed in Kendra from Lagna or Moon.1.3. The planet which gets exalted in the sign where the debilitated planetis placed is in a kendra from Lagna or Moon. [My Example]: Say Mars is debilitated (Cancer), so Jupiter should be placed in Kendra from Lagna or Moon as Jupiter gets exalted in Cancer.2. Neechabhanga maybe attained after a lot of effort if:2.1. The debilitated planet is retrograde. [My Example]: Say Mercury is debilitated in Pisces and retrograde too.2.2. The sign with the debilitated planet is conjoined an exalted planet.[My Example]: Say Mars is debilitated in Cancer and Jupiter conjoins him, as Jupiter gets exalted in Cancer. Please let me know, if the examples that I have given are correct and I have understood this concept. Please correct me wherever I am wrong. Alka reema_sriganesh <reema_sriganesh wrote: || Hare Rama Krishna ||Namaste Sourav,I am reproducing message # 818 from Sanjayji on Varahamihira list. Please read this carefully, and then see my responses inline.--------------------Om Jaya Jaya Jagannatha NamamyahamDear Gauranga,1. Neechabhanga occurs due to the following:1.1 A dispositor of the debilitated planet in a Kendra from Lagna or Moon.1.2. The lord of the seventh from the debilitated planet in a Kendra fromLagna or Moon..1.3. The planet which gets exalted in the sign where the debilitated planetis placed is in a kendra from Lagna or Moon.2. Neechabhanga maybe attained after a lot of effort if:2.1. The debilitated planet is retrograde.2.2. The sign with the debilitated planet is conjoined an exalted planet.Whereas rules in (1) above are natural neechabhanga conditions, the rules at(2) have not been explicitly pronounced in the texts and are inferred fromwhat has been mentioned.Om Tat SatBest WishesSanjay Rath--------------------May Sri Vishnu bless us all,Reema.sohamsa , "Sourav" <souravc108 wrote:>> > || Hare Rama Krishna ||> > Dear Reema-ji,> > Namaskar. Comments below. Thanks for> sharing Sanjay-ji's old message.> > Best wishes,> > Sourav> > ==============================================================> --- In sohamsa , "reema_sriganesh" reema_sriganesh@> wrote:> >> > || Hare Rama Krishna ||> >> > Namaste Sourav,> >> > > Incidentally, if a graha is retrograde and debilitated, without> > considering other neechabhanga> > > rules, we can say that it is likely to give exaltation status after> > initial suffering or opposing> > > circumstances. Similarly, when graha is retrograde and exalted,> > opposite will happen.> >> > I remember reading the following in one of the really old messages of> > Sanjayji on Varahamihira list.> >> > The three conditions that cause neecha-bhanga rajayoga are:> >> > 1) Graha lording the sign where neecha graha is placed is in a kendra> > from lagna or chandra> >> > 2) Graha lording the 7th from the sign where neecha graha is placed is> > in a kendra from lagna or chandra> >> > 3) Graha getting exaltation in the sign where neecha graha is placed> is> > in a kendra from lagna or chandra> > [sourav]: These are traditionally accepted. Navamsa is also checked> (Neecha in rasi and Uchccha in Navamsa)[Reema]: Yes, I have heard this, too. However, does this give neecha-bhanga or it merely adds to the strength of the neecha planet? Please elaborate with references, if possible.> >> > In addition to these, two more conditions of neecha-bhanga rajayoga,> > which are not mentioned in the classics, are:> > [sourav]: I don't think these are neecha-bhanga per se. The teaching is> that the results are akin to debilitation initialy and then is reversed> to be akin to exaltation. The key word is 'akin to' for example a> debilitated retrograde Shukra in kendra goes not give Malavya yoga but> Shukra has strength due to being vakri ( ref. to strength rules)[Reema]: From Sanjayji's email above , he is very clear that these conditions give neecha-bhanga (and not exaltation). Please correct me in case I am missing something.> >> > 1) Neecha graha is retrograde> >> > 2) Neecha graha is conjoined an uccha graha> > [sourav]: I didnt know of this. Thanks. However, I think the neecha> graha pulls down the uccha graha and the uccha graha is no longer that> exalted.[Reema]: Yes, logic dictates that uccha graha should pull down the neecha graha. In fact, I remember reading that dasa of the planet giving neecha-bhanga is not great, usually, whilst that of the planet that gets neecha-bhanga is better.> > Food for Thought:> > (a) Does this relief to the neecha graha depend on the Naisargika> Sambandha ? The reason I put this is that grahas conjoining in a house> get involved in graha yudda and hence this factor may influence the> relief.[Reema]: Very good point. I would think that if a planet giving neecha bhanga is weak due to combustion, uccha-bhanga (exalted in rasi, but debilitated in navamsa), or defeat in graha-yuddha, its potential to give neecha-bhanga would reduce. > > (b) I never read about the quality of neecha-bhanga for example, which> of the neecha-bhanga rules give more strength. This could be related to> extent of debility (i.e. how close the neecha graha is to its deep> debility degree)[Reema]: Definitely a point worth discussion. I would like to add two questions of my own, in fact. 1) A retrograde neecha planet gives neecha-bhanga after a lot of hard work. Given that nodes are always retrograde, does it mean that debilitated nodes satisfy this condition for neecha-bhanga always?2) Why does the last condition (exalted planet conjoined the neecha planet gives neecha-bhanga) mentioned by Sanjayji gives neecha-bhanga after a lot of effort? Retrograde planets make you work very hard and so I can understand why a retrograde neecha planet gives neecha-bhanga after a lot of hard work. However, why should an exalted planet conjoined with a neecha planet give neecha-bhanga after a lot of effort?> > > >> > The last two conditions give neecha-bhanga with a lot of effort.> >> > This is from my recollection and so I could be slighly off.> >> > May Sri Vishnu bless us all,> > Reema.> >> > sohamsa , "Sourav" souravc108@ wrote:> > >> > >> > > || Hare Rama Krishna ||> > >> > > Dear Alka-ji,> > >> > > namaskar. Please find comments below.> > >> > > Best wishes,> > >> > > Sourav> > >> > >> =====================================================================> > > sohamsa , Alka Saini alka.saini@ wrote:> > > >> > > > Hi,> > > >> > > > I am beginner in astrology and I seek some clarifications for> > > cancellation of debility. I have read the following 4 points about> > > cancellation of debility.> > > >> > > > 1. If the dipositor of the debilitated planet is in an angulare> > house> > > from ascendant or the moon.> > > > 2. If the lord of the sign where such a planet is exalted is in an> > > angle from the acendant or the moon.> > > > 3. If the debilitated planet is aspected by its dipositor.> > > > 4. The debilitated planet is in own or exalted Navamasa.> > > >> > > > What I have understood dispositor as: e.g. if mars is placed in> > > cancer, then dispositor of mars is moon. Is my understanding correct> > for> > > dispositor?> > > >> > > > Now my doubts:> > > >> > > > 1. If mars is placed in cancer, its dispositor will always be> moon,> > > which will be in an angle from moon. So, does that mean that mars> > never> > > gets debilitated or in other words, debiliation gets cancelled due> to> > > moon.> > >> > > [sourav]: If that is so then Mangal will never have debility at all> !> > > But that cannot be so. We have to understand the Neechabhanga> concept> > > carefully. It it is caused by Kendra to Chandra then it is due to> help> > > from society (Chandra is karaka of society). If it is by kendra from> > > lagna then it is due to self-effort. Hence, if Mangal is in Karka> then> > > look for Guru of Shani being in kendra from Chandra or kendra from> > > Lagna.> > >> > >> > > >> > > > 2. I have not understood the rule number 2 properly. I try by> > example> > > and u ppl let me know if i am correct. say again if mars is> debiliated> > > (cancer), so do we have to look at jupiter (it gets exalted in> cancer)> > > and check if it is in an angular house from moon or asecendant.> > >> > > [sourav]: Yes> > >> > > Or we to check the exaltation sign of mars (capricorn) that whether> it> > > is in an angular house from moon or asecendant.> > >> > > [sourav]: No> > > >> > > > 3. if debility is cancelled, then we don't need to perform any> > > remedies for debilitated planet?> > >> > > [sourav]: The correct word is Neecha Bhanga or 'breaking' of neecha> > > status. It is not cancellation. Rasi shows situation. When a graha> is> > in> > > neecha status, the person will face situations that are going down> or> > > becoming unfavourable. So there is initial suffering. When the> > > Vimsottari dasa of the graha which is bestowing neechabhanga comes,> > the> > > situation will become favourable again. So there is suffering first> > and> > > then removal.> > >> > > Incidentally, if a graha is retrograde and debilitated, without> > > considering other neechabhanga rules, we can say that it is likely> to> > > give exaltation status after initial suffering or opposing> > > circumstances. Similarly, when graha is retrograde and exalted,> > opposite> > > will happen.> > >> > >> > > >> > > > Kindly answer my queries.> > > >> > > > Alka> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > >> >> Everyone is raving about the all-new Mail Beta. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 1, 2006 Report Share Posted August 1, 2006 Hi Pratik, Let me attempt. I am just a beginner so other senior members can let us know. If mars is debilitated in 7th house with moon. Then it should be neechbhanga due to the following rules: 1. Dispositor of mars is moon and it is kendra from lagna (we will not see kendra from moon here as moon itself is the dispositor). 2. Also, we will check for the position of saturn as if it is kendra from lagna or moon or not? The rule I just studied in previous message was that we will check the lord of 7th from the debilitated planet, which in this case will be capricorn and saturn rules it. Regards, Alkapratik_jagad <pratik_jagad wrote: Dear Sourav,Whould Neech Bhanga happen if Mangal is in the 7th House in Cancer conjoined with Moon in Cancer with Capricorn as the ascendant?Thanks,Pratik.sohamsa , "Sourav" <souravc108 wrote:>> > || Hare Rama Krishna ||> > Dear Reema-ji,> > Namaskar. Comments below. Thanks for> sharing Sanjay-ji's old message.> > Best wishes,> > Sourav> > ==============================================================> sohamsa , "reema_sriganesh" <reema_sriganesh@>> wrote:> >> > || Hare Rama Krishna ||> >> > Namaste Sourav,> >> > > Incidentally, if a graha is retrograde and debilitated, without> > considering other neechabhanga> > > rules, we can say that it is likely to give exaltation status after> > initial suffering or opposing> > > circumstances. Similarly, when graha is retrograde and exalted,> > opposite will happen.> >> > I remember reading the following in one of the really old messages of> > Sanjayji on Varahamihira list.> >> > The three conditions that cause neecha-bhanga rajayoga are:> >> > 1) Graha lording the sign where neecha graha is placed is in a kendra> > from lagna or chandra> >> > 2) Graha lording the 7th from the sign where neecha graha is placed is> > in a kendra from lagna or chandra> >> > 3) Graha getting exaltation in the sign where neecha graha is placed> is> > in a kendra from lagna or chandra> > [sourav]: These are traditionally accepted. Navamsa is also checked> (Neecha in rasi and Uchccha in Navamsa)> >> > In addition to these, two more conditions of neecha-bhanga rajayoga,> > which are not mentioned in the classics, are:> > [sourav]: I don't think these are neecha-bhanga per se. The teaching is> that the results are akin to debilitation initialy and then is reversed> to be akin to exaltation. The key word is 'akin to' for example a> debilitated retrograde Shukra in kendra goes not give Malavya yoga but> Shukra has strength due to being vakri ( ref. to strength rules)> >> > 1) Neecha graha is retrograde> >> > 2) Neecha graha is conjoined an uccha graha> > [sourav]: I didnt know of this. Thanks. However, I think the neecha> graha pulls down the uccha graha and the uccha graha is no longer that> exalted.> > Food for Thought:> > (a) Does this relief to the neecha graha depend on the Naisargika> Sambandha ? The reason I put this is that grahas conjoining in a house> get involved in graha yudda and hence this factor may influence the> relief.> > (b) I never read about the quality of neecha-bhanga for example, which> of the neecha-bhanga rules give more strength. This could be related to> extent of debility (i.e. how close the neecha graha is to its deep> debility degree)> > > >> > The last two conditions give neecha-bhanga with a lot of effort.> >> > This is from my recollection and so I could be slighly off.> >> > May Sri Vishnu bless us all,> > Reema.> >> > sohamsa , "Sourav" souravc108@ wrote:> > >> > >> > > || Hare Rama Krishna ||> > >> > > Dear Alka-ji,> > >> > > namaskar. Please find comments below.> > >> > > Best wishes,> > >> > > Sourav> > >> > >> =====================================================================> > > sohamsa , Alka Saini alka.saini@ wrote:> > > >> > > > Hi,> > > >> > > > I am beginner in astrology and I seek some clarifications for> > > cancellation of debility. I have read the following 4 points about> > > cancellation of debility.> > > >> > > > 1. If the dipositor of the debilitated planet is in an angulare> > house> > > from ascendant or the moon.> > > > 2. If the lord of the sign where such a planet is exalted is in an> > > angle from the acendant or the moon.> > > > 3. If the debilitated planet is aspected by its dipositor.> > > > 4. The debilitated planet is in own or exalted Navamasa.> > > >> > > > What I have understood dispositor as: e.g. if mars is placed in> > > cancer, then dispositor of mars is moon. Is my understanding correct> > for> > > dispositor?> > > >> > > > Now my doubts:> > > >> > > > 1. If mars is placed in cancer, its dispositor will always be> moon,> > > which will be in an angle from moon. So, does that mean that mars> > never> > > gets debilitated or in other words, debiliation gets cancelled due> to> > > moon.> > >> > > [sourav]: If that is so then Mangal will never have debility at all> !> > > But that cannot be so. We have to understand the Neechabhanga> concept> > > carefully. It it is caused by Kendra to Chandra then it is due to> help> > > from society (Chandra is karaka of society). If it is by kendra from> > > lagna then it is due to self-effort. Hence, if Mangal is in Karka> then> > > look for Guru of Shani being in kendra from Chandra or kendra from> > > Lagna.> > >> > >> > > >> > > > 2. I have not understood the rule number 2 properly. I try by> > example> > > and u ppl let me know if i am correct. say again if mars is> debiliated> > > (cancer), so do we have to look at jupiter (it gets exalted in> cancer)> > > and check if it is in an angular house from moon or asecendant.> > >> > > [sourav]: Yes> > >> > > Or we to check the exaltation sign of mars (capricorn) that whether> it> > > is in an angular house from moon or asecendant.> > >> > > [sourav]: No> > > >> > > > 3. if debility is cancelled, then we don't need to perform any> > > remedies for debilitated planet?> > >> > > [sourav]: The correct word is Neecha Bhanga or 'breaking' of neecha> > > status. It is not cancellation. Rasi shows situation. When a graha> is> > in> > > neecha status, the person will face situations that are going down> or> > > becoming unfavourable. So there is initial suffering. When the> > > Vimsottari dasa of the graha which is bestowing neechabhanga comes,> > the> > > situation will become favourable again. So there is suffering first> > and> > > then removal.> > >> > > Incidentally, if a graha is retrograde and debilitated, without> > > considering other neechabhanga rules, we can say that it is likely> to> > > give exaltation status after initial suffering or opposing> > > circumstances. Similarly, when graha is retrograde and exalted,> > opposite> > > will happen.> > >> > >> > > >> > > > Kindly answer my queries.> > > >> > > > Alka> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > >> >> Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 1, 2006 Report Share Posted August 1, 2006 Dear Ramadas Rao, Sir, your mercury has double advantage : Sixth lord in debility creates vipreet raj yoga and Mercury is suspecting its own 9th house Regards, G.K.GOEL Ramadas Rao <ramadasrao wrote: OM SHRI RAGHAVENDRAAYA NAMAH OM SHRI LAKSHMI NRUSIMHAAYA NAMAH Dear Sourav and others, Please go through my chart which shows Budha,the 9th and 6th lord in Neecha Sthana in Meena and also there is Vipareeta Raja Yoga in this chart. I hope you will discuss the topics mentioned above and give your inputs. With Shri Vaayu Guru Naama Smarana, Ramadas Rao.Sourav <souravc108 > wrote: || Hare Rama Krishna || Dear Reema-ji, Namaskar. Comments below. Thanks for sharing Sanjay-ji's old message. Best wishes, Sourav ==============================================================sohamsa , "reema_sriganesh" <reema_sriganesh wrote:>> || Hare Rama Krishna ||> > Namaste Sourav,> > > Incidentally, if a graha is retrograde and debilitated, without> considering other neechabhanga> > rules, we can say that it is likely to give exaltation status after> initial suffering or opposing> > circumstances. Similarly, when graha is retrograde and exalted,> opposite will happen.> > I remember reading the following in one of the really old messages of> Sanjayji on Varahamihira list.> > The three conditions that cause neecha-bhanga rajayoga are:> > 1) Graha lording the sign where neecha graha is placed is in a kendra> from lagna or chandra> > 2) Graha lording the 7th from the sign where neecha graha is placed is> in a kendra from lagna or chandra> > 3) Graha getting exaltation in the sign where neecha graha is placed is> in a kendra from lagna or chandra [sourav]: These are traditionally accepted. Navamsa is also checked (Neecha in rasi and Uchccha in Navamsa)> > In addition to these, two more conditions of neecha-bhanga rajayoga,> which are not mentioned in the classics, are: [sourav]: I don't think these are neecha-bhanga per se. The teaching is that the results are akin to debilitation initialy and then is reversed to be akin to exaltation. The key word is 'akin to' for example a debilitated retrograde Shukra in kendra goes not give Malavya yoga but Shukra has strength due to being vakri ( ref. to strength rules)> > 1) Neecha graha is retrograde> > 2) Neecha graha is conjoined an uccha graha [sourav]: I didnt know of this. Thanks. However, I think the neecha graha pulls down the uccha graha and the uccha graha is no longer that exalted. Food for Thought: (a) Does this relief to the neecha graha depend on the Naisargika Sambandha ? The reason I put this is that grahas conjoining in a house get involved in graha yudda and hence this factor may influence the relief. (b) I never read about the quality of neecha-bhanga for example, which of the neecha-bhanga rules give more strength. This could be related to extent of debility (i.e. how close the neecha graha is to its deep debility degree) > > The last two conditions give neecha-bhanga with a lot of effort.> > This is from my recollection and so I could be slighly off.> > May Sri Vishnu bless us all,> Reema.> > sohamsa , "Sourav" souravc108@ wrote:> >> >> > || Hare Rama Krishna ||> >> > Dear Alka-ji,> >> > namaskar. Please find comments below.> >> > Best wishes,> >> > Sourav> >> > =====================================================================> > sohamsa , Alka Saini alka.saini@ wrote:> > >> > > Hi,> > >> > > I am beginner in astrology and I seek some clarifications for> > cancellation of debility. I have read the following 4 points about> > cancellation of debility.> > >> > > 1. If the dipositor of the debilitated planet is in an angulare> house> > from ascendant or the moon.> > > 2. If the lord of the sign where such a planet is exalted is in an> > angle from the acendant or the moon.> > > 3. If the debilitated planet is aspected by its dipositor.> > > 4. The debilitated planet is in own or exalted Navamasa.> > >> > > What I have understood dispositor as: e.g. if mars is placed in> > cancer, then dispositor of mars is moon. Is my understanding correct> for> > dispositor?> > >> > > Now my doubts:> > >> > > 1. If mars is placed in cancer, its dispositor will always be moon,> > which will be in an angle from moon. So, does that mean that mars> never> > gets debilitated or in other words, debiliation gets cancelled due to> > moon.> >> > [sourav]: If that is so then Mangal will never have debility at all !> > But that cannot be so. We have to understand the Neechabhanga concept> > carefully. It it is caused by Kendra to Chandra then it is due to help> > from society (Chandra is karaka of society). If it is by kendra from> > lagna then it is due to self-effort. Hence, if Mangal is in Karka then> > look for Guru of Shani being in kendra from Chandra or kendra from> > Lagna.> >> >> > >> > > 2. I have not understood the rule number 2 properly. I try by> example> > and u ppl let me know if i am correct. say again if mars is debiliated> > (cancer), so do we have to look at jupiter (it gets exalted in cancer)> > and check if it is in an angular house from moon or asecendant.> >> > [sourav]: Yes> >> > Or we to check the exaltation sign of mars (capricorn) that whether it> > is in an angular house from moon or asecendant.> >> > [sourav]: No> > >> > > 3. if debility is cancelled, then we don't need to perform any> > remedies for debilitated planet?> >> > [sourav]: The correct word is Neecha Bhanga or 'breaking' of neecha> > status. It is not cancellation. Rasi shows situation. When a graha is> in> > neecha status, the person will face situations that are going down or> > becoming unfavourable. So there is initial suffering. When the> > Vimsottari dasa of the graha which is bestowing neechabhanga comes,> the> > situation will become favourable again. So there is suffering first> and> > then removal.> >> > Incidentally, if a graha is retrograde and debilitated, without> > considering other neechabhanga rules, we can say that it is likely to> > give exaltation status after initial suffering or opposing> > circumstances. Similarly, when graha is retrograde and exalted,> opposite> > will happen.> >> >> > >> > > Kindly answer my queries.> > >> > > Alka> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> Here’s a new way to find what you're looking for - Answers Here’s a new way to find what you're looking for - Answers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 1, 2006 Report Share Posted August 1, 2006 OM SHRI RAGHAVENDRAAYA NAMAH OM NAMO NARAYANAYA Dear Sanjay Ji, But then what are the results of this Neecha Budha if it does not get Neechabhanga ? With Shri Hari Vaayu Guru Naama Smarana, Ramadas Rao. Sanjay Rath <sanjayrath wrote: om namo bhagavate vasudevaya Dear Ramdas ji I did not find a nicabhanga for Mercury and hence the Viparita Raja Yoga is very good. This is fortunate but will cause one to seek fortune in foreign lands as the 12th lord is strong. With best wishes and warm regards, Sanjay Rath * * * Sri Jagannath Center® 15B Gangaram Hospital Road New Delhi 110060, India http://srath.com, +91-11-25717162 * * * sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of Ramadas RaoSunday, July 30, 2006 10:26 PMsohamsa Subject: Re: Re: cancellation of debility rules?? OM SHRI RAGHAVENDRAAYA NAMAH OM SHRI LAKSHMI NRUSIMHAAYA NAMAH Dear Sourav and others, Please go through my chart which shows Budha,the 9th and 6th lord in Neecha Sthana in Meena and also there is Vipareeta Raja Yoga in this chart. I hope you will discuss the topics mentioned above and give your inputs. With Shri Vaayu Guru Naama Smarana, Ramadas Rao.Sourav <souravc108 > wrote: || Hare Rama Krishna || Dear Reema-ji, Namaskar. Comments below. Thanks for sharing Sanjay-ji's old message. Best wishes, Sourav ==============================================================sohamsa , "reema_sriganesh" <reema_sriganesh wrote:>> || Hare Rama Krishna ||> > Namaste Sourav,> > > Incidentally, if a graha is retrograde and debilitated, without> considering other neechabhanga> > rules, we can say that it is likely to give exaltation status after> initial suffering or opposing> > circumstances. Similarly, when graha is retrograde and exalted,> opposite will happen.> > I remember reading the following in one of the really old messages of> Sanjayji on Varahamihira list.> > The three conditions that cause neecha-bhanga rajayoga are:> > 1) Graha lording the sign where neecha graha is placed is in a kendra> from lagna or chandra> > 2) Graha lording the 7th from the sign where neecha graha is placed is> in a kendra from lagna or chandra> > 3) Graha getting exaltation in the sign where neecha graha is placed is> in a kendra from lagna or chandra [sourav]: These are traditionally accepted. Navamsa is also checked (Neecha in rasi and Uchccha in Navamsa)> > In addition to these, two more conditions of neecha-bhanga rajayoga,> which are not mentioned in the classics, are: [sourav]: I don't think these are neecha-bhanga per se. The teaching is that the results are akin to debilitation initialy and then is reversed to be akin to exaltation. The key word is 'akin to' for example a debilitated retrograde Shukra in kendra goes not give Malavya yoga but Shukra has strength due to being vakri ( ref. to strength rules)> > 1) Neecha graha is retrograde> > 2) Neecha graha is conjoined an uccha graha [sourav]: I didnt know of this. Thanks. However, I think the neecha graha pulls down the uccha graha and the uccha graha is no longer that exalted. Food for Thought: (a) Does this relief to the neecha graha depend on the Naisargika Sambandha ? The reason I put this is that grahas conjoining in a house get involved in graha yudda and hence this factor may influence the relief. (b) I never read about the quality of neecha-bhanga for example, which of the neecha-bhanga rules give more strength. This could be related to extent of debility (i.e. how close the neecha graha is to its deep debility degree) > > The last two conditions give neecha-bhanga with a lot of effort.> > This is from my recollection and so I could be slighly off.> > May Sri Vishnu bless us all,> Reema.> > sohamsa , "Sourav" souravc108@ wrote:> >> >> > || Hare Rama Krishna ||> >> > Dear Alka-ji,> >> > namaskar. Please find comments below.> >> > Best wishes,> >> > Sourav> >> > =====================================================================> > sohamsa , Alka Saini alka.saini@ wrote:> > >> > > Hi,> > >> > > I am beginner in astrology and I seek some clarifications for> > cancellation of debility. I have read the following 4 points about> > cancellation of debility.> > >> > > 1. If the dipositor of the debilitated planet is in an angulare> house> > from ascendant or the moon.> > > 2. If the lord of the sign where such a planet is exalted is in an> > angle from the acendant or the moon.> > > 3. If the debilitated planet is aspected by its dipositor.> > > 4. The debilitated planet is in own or exalted Navamasa.> > >> > > What I have understood dispositor as: e.g. if mars is placed in> > cancer, then dispositor of mars is moon. Is my understanding correct> for> > dispositor?> > >> > > Now my doubts:> > >> > > 1. If mars is placed in cancer, its dispositor will always be moon,> > which will be in an angle from moon. So, does that mean that mars> never> > gets debilitated or in other words, debiliation gets cancelled due to> > moon.> >> > [sourav]: If that is so then Mangal will never have debility at all !> > But that cannot be so. We have to understand the Neechabhanga concept> > carefully. It it is caused by Kendra to Chandra then it is due to help> > from society (Chandra is karaka of society). If it is by kendra from> > lagna then it is due to self-effort. Hence, if Mangal is in Karka then> > look for Guru of Shani being in kendra from Chandra or kendra from> > Lagna.> >> >> > >> > > 2. I have not understood the rule number 2 properly. I try by> example> > and u ppl let me know if i am correct. say again if mars is debiliated> > (cancer), so do we have to look at jupiter (it gets exalted in cancer)> > and check if it is in an angular house from moon or asecendant.> >> > [sourav]: Yes> >> > Or we to check the exaltation sign of mars (capricorn) that whether it> > is in an angular house from moon or asecendant.> >> > [sourav]: No> > >> > > 3. if debility is cancelled, then we don't need to perform any> > remedies for debilitated planet?> >> > [sourav]: The correct word is Neecha Bhanga or 'breaking' of neecha> > status. It is not cancellation. Rasi shows situation. When a graha is> in> > neecha status, the person will face situations that are going down or> > becoming unfavourable. So there is initial suffering. When the> > Vimsottari dasa of the graha which is bestowing neechabhanga comes,> the> > situation will become favourable again. So there is suffering first> and> > then removal.> >> > Incidentally, if a graha is retrograde and debilitated, without> > considering other neechabhanga rules, we can say that it is likely to> > give exaltation status after initial suffering or opposing> > circumstances. Similarly, when graha is retrograde and exalted,> opposite> > will happen.> >> >> > >> > > Kindly answer my queries.> > >> > > Alka> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> Here’s a new way to find what you're looking for - Answers Here’s a new way to find what you're looking for - Answers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 1, 2006 Report Share Posted August 1, 2006 Namaskar Visti Jee and All other members, In a particular chart I have seen exalted Retrograde Jupiter(also the lagna lord- Dhanu lagna)in 8th house. However in Navamsa- it is debilitated and retrograde in 10 th house. Please suggest if this Jupiter is beneficial for native or adverse? Thanks Suchitra sohamsa , Ramadas Rao <ramadasrao wrote: > > OM SHRI RAGHAVENDRAAYA NAMAH > OM NAMO NARAYANAYA > Dear Sanjay Ji, > But then what are the results of this Neecha Budha if it does not get Neechabhanga ? > > With Shri Hari Vaayu Guru Naama Smarana, > Ramadas Rao. > > > Sanjay Rath <sanjayrath wrote: > > > om namo bhagavate vasudevaya > Dear Ramdas ji > I did not find a nicabhanga for Mercury and hence the Viparita Raja Yoga is very good. This is fortunate but will cause one to seek fortune in foreign lands as the 12th lord is strong. > > With best wishes and warm regards, > Sanjay Rath > * * * > Sri Jagannath Center® > 15B Gangaram Hospital Road > New Delhi 110060, India > http://srath.com, +91-11-25717162 > * * * > > > > > sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of Ramadas Rao > Sunday, July 30, 2006 10:26 PM > sohamsa > Re: Re: cancellation of debility rules?? > > > > OM SHRI RAGHAVENDRAAYA NAMAH > OM SHRI LAKSHMI NRUSIMHAAYA NAMAH > Dear Sourav and others, > Please go through my chart which shows Budha,the 9th and 6th lord in Neecha Sthana in Meena and also there is Vipareeta Raja Yoga in this chart. > I hope you will discuss the topics mentioned above and give your inputs. > With Shri Vaayu Guru Naama Smarana, > Ramadas Rao. > > Sourav <souravc108 wrote: > || Hare Rama Krishna || > Dear Reema-ji, > Namaskar. Comments below. Thanks for sharing Sanjay-ji's old message. > Best wishes, > Sourav > ============================================================== > sohamsa , " reema_sriganesh " <reema_sriganesh@> wrote: > > > > || Hare Rama Krishna || > > > > Namaste Sourav, > > > > > Incidentally, if a graha is retrograde and debilitated, without > > considering other neechabhanga > > > rules, we can say that it is likely to give exaltation status after > > initial suffering or opposing > > > circumstances. Similarly, when graha is retrograde and exalted, > > opposite will happen. > > > > I remember reading the following in one of the really old messages of > > Sanjayji on Varahamihira list. > > > > The three conditions that cause neecha-bhanga rajayoga are: > > > > 1) Graha lording the sign where neecha graha is placed is in a kendra > > from lagna or chandra > > > > 2) Graha lording the 7th from the sign where neecha graha is placed is > > in a kendra from lagna or chandra > > > > 3) Graha getting exaltation in the sign where neecha graha is placed is > > in a kendra from lagna or chandra > [sourav]: These are traditionally accepted. Navamsa is also checked (Neecha in rasi and Uchccha in Navamsa) > > > > In addition to these, two more conditions of neecha-bhanga rajayoga, > > which are not mentioned in the classics, are: > [sourav]: I don't think these are neecha-bhanga per se. The teaching is that the results are akin to debilitation initialy and then is reversed to be akin to exaltation. The key word is 'akin to' for example a debilitated retrograde Shukra in kendra goes not give Malavya yoga but Shukra has strength due to being vakri ( ref. to strength rules) > > > > 1) Neecha graha is retrograde > > > > 2) Neecha graha is conjoined an uccha graha > [sourav]: I didnt know of this. Thanks. However, I think the neecha graha pulls down the uccha graha and the uccha graha is no longer that exalted. > Food for Thought: > (a) Does this relief to the neecha graha depend on the Naisargika Sambandha ? The reason I put this is that grahas conjoining in a house get involved in graha yudda and hence this factor may influence the relief. > (b) I never read about the quality of neecha-bhanga for example, which of the neecha-bhanga rules give more strength. This could be related to extent of debility (i.e. how close the neecha graha is to its deep debility degree) > > > > > The last two conditions give neecha-bhanga with a lot of effort. > > > > This is from my recollection and so I could be slighly off. > > > > May Sri Vishnu bless us all, > > Reema. > > > > sohamsa , " Sourav " souravc108@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > || Hare Rama Krishna || > > > > > > Dear Alka-ji, > > > > > > namaskar. Please find comments below. > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > Sourav > > > > > > ===================================================================== > > > sohamsa , Alka Saini alka.saini@ wrote: > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > I am beginner in astrology and I seek some clarifications for > > > cancellation of debility. I have read the following 4 points about > > > cancellation of debility. > > > > > > > > 1. If the dipositor of the debilitated planet is in an angulare > > house > > > from ascendant or the moon. > > > > 2. If the lord of the sign where such a planet is exalted is in an > > > angle from the acendant or the moon. > > > > 3. If the debilitated planet is aspected by its dipositor. > > > > 4. The debilitated planet is in own or exalted Navamasa. > > > > > > > > What I have understood dispositor as: e.g. if mars is placed in > > > cancer, then dispositor of mars is moon. Is my understanding correct > > for > > > dispositor? > > > > > > > > Now my doubts: > > > > > > > > 1. If mars is placed in cancer, its dispositor will always be moon, > > > which will be in an angle from moon. So, does that mean that mars > > never > > > gets debilitated or in other words, debiliation gets cancelled due to > > > moon. > > > > > > [sourav]: If that is so then Mangal will never have debility at all ! > > > But that cannot be so. We have to understand the Neechabhanga concept > > > carefully. It it is caused by Kendra to Chandra then it is due to help > > > from society (Chandra is karaka of society). If it is by kendra from > > > lagna then it is due to self-effort. Hence, if Mangal is in Karka then > > > look for Guru of Shani being in kendra from Chandra or kendra from > > > Lagna. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. I have not understood the rule number 2 properly. I try by > > example > > > and u ppl let me know if i am correct. say again if mars is debiliated > > > (cancer), so do we have to look at jupiter (it gets exalted in cancer) > > > and check if it is in an angular house from moon or asecendant. > > > > > > [sourav]: Yes > > > > > > Or we to check the exaltation sign of mars (capricorn) that whether it > > > is in an angular house from moon or asecendant. > > > > > > [sourav]: No > > > > > > > > 3. if debility is cancelled, then we don't need to perform any > > > remedies for debilitated planet? > > > > > > [sourav]: The correct word is Neecha Bhanga or 'breaking' of neecha > > > status. It is not cancellation. Rasi shows situation. When a graha is > > in > > > neecha status, the person will face situations that are going down or > > > becoming unfavourable. So there is initial suffering. When the > > > Vimsottari dasa of the graha which is bestowing neechabhanga comes, > > the > > > situation will become favourable again. So there is suffering first > > and > > > then removal. > > > > > > Incidentally, if a graha is retrograde and debilitated, without > > > considering other neechabhanga rules, we can say that it is likely to > > > give exaltation status after initial suffering or opposing > > > circumstances. Similarly, when graha is retrograde and exalted, > > opposite > > > will happen. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kindly answer my queries. > > > > > > > > Alka > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tired of spam? 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Guest guest Posted August 1, 2006 Report Share Posted August 1, 2006 I forgot to mention that in Navamsa Neechabhanga is present(Mars in Kendra).So in Navamsa will Jupiter behave as exalted,becuase it is retrograde and debilitated or since the neechanbhanga cancels the neecha effects in Navamsa - the exaltation effects will be modified. Please advise. sohamsa , " suchitra_kamath " <suchitra_kamath wrote: > > Namaskar Visti Jee and All other members, > > In a particular chart I have seen exalted Retrograde Jupiter(also > the lagna lord- Dhanu lagna)in 8th house. > > However in Navamsa- it is debilitated and retrograde in 10 th house. > Please suggest if this Jupiter is beneficial for native or adverse? > > Thanks > Suchitra > > > sohamsa , Ramadas Rao <ramadasrao@> wrote: > > > > OM SHRI RAGHAVENDRAAYA NAMAH > > OM NAMO NARAYANAYA > > Dear Sanjay Ji, > > But then what are the results of this Neecha Budha if it does > not get Neechabhanga ? > > > > With Shri Hari Vaayu Guru Naama Smarana, > > Ramadas Rao. > > > > > > Sanjay Rath <sanjayrath@> wrote: > > > > > > om namo bhagavate vasudevaya > > Dear Ramdas ji > > I did not find a nicabhanga for Mercury and hence the Viparita > Raja Yoga is very good. This is fortunate but will cause one to seek > fortune in foreign lands as the 12th lord is strong. > > > > With best wishes and warm regards, > > Sanjay Rath > > * * * > > Sri Jagannath Center® > > 15B Gangaram Hospital Road > > New Delhi 110060, India > > http://srath.com, +91-11-25717162 > > * * * > > > > > > > > > > sohamsa [sohamsa ] > On Behalf Of Ramadas Rao > > Sunday, July 30, 2006 10:26 PM > > sohamsa > > Re: Re: cancellation of debility rules?? > > > > > > > > OM SHRI RAGHAVENDRAAYA NAMAH > > OM SHRI LAKSHMI NRUSIMHAAYA NAMAH > > Dear Sourav and others, > > Please go through my chart which shows Budha,the 9th and 6th > lord in Neecha Sthana in Meena and also there is Vipareeta Raja Yoga > in this chart. > > I hope you will discuss the topics mentioned above and give your > inputs. > > With Shri Vaayu Guru Naama Smarana, > > Ramadas Rao. > > > > Sourav <souravc108@> wrote: > > || Hare Rama Krishna || > > Dear Reema-ji, > > Namaskar. Comments below. Thanks > for sharing Sanjay-ji's old message. > > Best wishes, > > Sourav > > ============================================================== > > sohamsa , " reema_sriganesh " > <reema_sriganesh@> wrote: > > > > > > || Hare Rama Krishna || > > > > > > Namaste Sourav, > > > > > > > Incidentally, if a graha is retrograde and debilitated, without > > > considering other neechabhanga > > > > rules, we can say that it is likely to give exaltation status > after > > > initial suffering or opposing > > > > circumstances. Similarly, when graha is retrograde and exalted, > > > opposite will happen. > > > > > > I remember reading the following in one of the really old > messages of > > > Sanjayji on Varahamihira list. > > > > > > The three conditions that cause neecha-bhanga rajayoga are: > > > > > > 1) Graha lording the sign where neecha graha is placed is in a > kendra > > > from lagna or chandra > > > > > > 2) Graha lording the 7th from the sign where neecha graha is > placed is > > > in a kendra from lagna or chandra > > > > > > 3) Graha getting exaltation in the sign where neecha graha is > placed is > > > in a kendra from lagna or chandra > > [sourav]: These are traditionally accepted. Navamsa is also > checked (Neecha in rasi and Uchccha in Navamsa) > > > > > > In addition to these, two more conditions of neecha-bhanga > rajayoga, > > > which are not mentioned in the classics, are: > > [sourav]: I don't think these are neecha-bhanga per se. The > teaching is that the results are akin to debilitation initialy and > then is reversed to be akin to exaltation. The key word is 'akin to' > for example a debilitated retrograde Shukra in kendra goes not give > Malavya yoga but Shukra has strength due to being vakri ( ref. to > strength rules) > > > > > > 1) Neecha graha is retrograde > > > > > > 2) Neecha graha is conjoined an uccha graha > > [sourav]: I didnt know of this. Thanks. However, I think the > neecha graha pulls down the uccha graha and the uccha graha is no > longer that exalted. > > Food for Thought: > > (a) Does this relief to the neecha graha depend on the > Naisargika Sambandha ? The reason I put this is that grahas > conjoining in a house get involved in graha yudda and hence this > factor may influence the relief. > > (b) I never read about the quality of neecha-bhanga for example, > which of the neecha-bhanga rules give more strength. This could be > related to extent of debility (i.e. how close the neecha graha is to > its deep debility degree) > > > > > > > > The last two conditions give neecha-bhanga with a lot of effort. > > > > > > This is from my recollection and so I could be slighly off. > > > > > > May Sri Vishnu bless us all, > > > Reema. > > > > > > sohamsa , " Sourav " souravc108@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > || Hare Rama Krishna || > > > > > > > > Dear Alka-ji, > > > > > > > > namaskar. Please find comments below. > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > Sourav > > > > > > > > > ===================================================================== > > > > sohamsa , Alka Saini alka.saini@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > > > I am beginner in astrology and I seek some clarifications for > > > > cancellation of debility. I have read the following 4 points > about > > > > cancellation of debility. > > > > > > > > > > 1. If the dipositor of the debilitated planet is in an > angulare > > > house > > > > from ascendant or the moon. > > > > > 2. If the lord of the sign where such a planet is exalted is > in an > > > > angle from the acendant or the moon. > > > > > 3. If the debilitated planet is aspected by its dipositor. > > > > > 4. The debilitated planet is in own or exalted Navamasa. > > > > > > > > > > What I have understood dispositor as: e.g. if mars is placed > in > > > > cancer, then dispositor of mars is moon. Is my understanding > correct > > > for > > > > dispositor? > > > > > > > > > > Now my doubts: > > > > > > > > > > 1. If mars is placed in cancer, its dispositor will always > be moon, > > > > which will be in an angle from moon. So, does that mean that > mars > > > never > > > > gets debilitated or in other words, debiliation gets cancelled > due to > > > > moon. > > > > > > > > [sourav]: If that is so then Mangal will never have debility > at all ! > > > > But that cannot be so. We have to understand the Neechabhanga > concept > > > > carefully. It it is caused by Kendra to Chandra then it is due > to help > > > > from society (Chandra is karaka of society). If it is by > kendra from > > > > lagna then it is due to self-effort. Hence, if Mangal is in > Karka then > > > > look for Guru of Shani being in kendra from Chandra or kendra > from > > > > Lagna. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. I have not understood the rule number 2 properly. I try by > > > example > > > > and u ppl let me know if i am correct. say again if mars is > debiliated > > > > (cancer), so do we have to look at jupiter (it gets exalted in > cancer) > > > > and check if it is in an angular house from moon or asecendant. > > > > > > > > [sourav]: Yes > > > > > > > > Or we to check the exaltation sign of mars (capricorn) that > whether it > > > > is in an angular house from moon or asecendant. > > > > > > > > [sourav]: No > > > > > > > > > > 3. if debility is cancelled, then we don't need to perform > any > > > > remedies for debilitated planet? > > > > > > > > [sourav]: The correct word is Neecha Bhanga or 'breaking' of > neecha > > > > status. It is not cancellation. Rasi shows situation. When a > graha is > > > in > > > > neecha status, the person will face situations that are going > down or > > > > becoming unfavourable. So there is initial suffering. When the > > > > Vimsottari dasa of the graha which is bestowing neechabhanga > comes, > > > the > > > > situation will become favourable again. So there is suffering > first > > > and > > > > then removal. > > > > > > > > Incidentally, if a graha is retrograde and debilitated, without > > > > considering other neechabhanga rules, we can say that it is > likely to > > > > give exaltation status after initial suffering or opposing > > > > circumstances. Similarly, when graha is retrograde and exalted, > > > opposite > > > > will happen. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kindly answer my queries. > > > > > > > > > > Alka > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tired of spam? 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Guest guest Posted August 1, 2006 Report Share Posted August 1, 2006 || Hare Rama Krishna || Dear Suchitra-ji, Namaskar. Lagnesha in the 8th house is good for longivity but will make the native work hard during lifetime as 8th house is for longivity and also rina. Lagnesha in debility in Navamsa shows Raja-bhanga as it shows fruits of labor a hard to come by due to lack of dharma in the past. Being retrograde shows a strong desire for the opposite. Exaltation and debilitation signs (Signs show situations/circumstances) shows happy and difficult circumstances where as retrogression shows struggling. If a graha is retrograde (struggling) in an exaltation situation if forebodes bad as it shows that the situation is not utilized and the status is going down. Similarly infer the opposite for the graha in retrogression in a debility sign. Now, Guru is 'akin to exaltation in Navamsa shows that after initial struggle, there is a support from luck. Being in a kendra it shows that Vishnu is in control and must be worshipped to recover from difficulties. Taking Rasi-tulya-navamsa, Guru is in 2nd house of rasi chart showing that family/finances had a poor start but will rise. Best wishes, Sourav ================================================================sohamsa , "suchitra_kamath" <suchitra_kamath wrote:>> Namaskar Visti Jee and All other members,> > In a particular chart I have seen exalted Retrograde Jupiter(also > the lagna lord- Dhanu lagna)in 8th house.> > However in Navamsa- it is debilitated and retrograde in 10 th house. > Please suggest if this Jupiter is beneficial for native or adverse?> > Thanks> Suchitra> > > sohamsa , Ramadas Rao ramadasrao@ wrote:> >> > OM SHRI RAGHAVENDRAAYA NAMAH> > OM NAMO NARAYANAYA> > Dear Sanjay Ji,> > But then what are the results of this Neecha Budha if it does > not get Neechabhanga ?> > > > With Shri Hari Vaayu Guru Naama Smarana,> > Ramadas Rao.> > > > > > Sanjay Rath sanjayrath@ wrote:> > > > > > om namo bhagavate vasudevaya> > Dear Ramdas ji> > I did not find a nicabhanga for Mercury and hence the Viparita > Raja Yoga is very good. This is fortunate but will cause one to seek > fortune in foreign lands as the 12th lord is strong.> > > > With best wishes and warm regards,> > Sanjay Rath> > * * *> > Sri Jagannath Center®> > 15B Gangaram Hospital Road > > New Delhi 110060, India> > http://srath.com, +91-11-25717162> > * * *> > > > > > > > > > sohamsa [sohamsa ] > On Behalf Of Ramadas Rao> > Sunday, July 30, 2006 10:26 PM> > sohamsa > > Re: Re: cancellation of debility rules??> > > > > > > > OM SHRI RAGHAVENDRAAYA NAMAH> > OM SHRI LAKSHMI NRUSIMHAAYA NAMAH> > Dear Sourav and others,> > Please go through my chart which shows Budha,the 9th and 6th > lord in Neecha Sthana in Meena and also there is Vipareeta Raja Yoga > in this chart.> > I hope you will discuss the topics mentioned above and give your > inputs.> > With Shri Vaayu Guru Naama Smarana,> > Ramadas Rao.> > > > Sourav souravc108@ wrote:> > || Hare Rama Krishna ||> > Dear Reema-ji,> > Namaskar. Comments below. Thanks > for sharing Sanjay-ji's old message.> > Best wishes,> > Sourav> > ==============================================================> > sohamsa , "reema_sriganesh" > <reema_sriganesh@> wrote:> > >> > > || Hare Rama Krishna ||> > > > > > Namaste Sourav,> > > > > > > Incidentally, if a graha is retrograde and debilitated, without> > > considering other neechabhanga> > > > rules, we can say that it is likely to give exaltation status > after> > > initial suffering or opposing> > > > circumstances. Similarly, when graha is retrograde and exalted,> > > opposite will happen.> > > > > > I remember reading the following in one of the really old > messages of> > > Sanjayji on Varahamihira list.> > > > > > The three conditions that cause neecha-bhanga rajayoga are:> > > > > > 1) Graha lording the sign where neecha graha is placed is in a > kendra> > > from lagna or chandra> > > > > > 2) Graha lording the 7th from the sign where neecha graha is > placed is> > > in a kendra from lagna or chandra> > > > > > 3) Graha getting exaltation in the sign where neecha graha is > placed is> > > in a kendra from lagna or chandra> > [sourav]: These are traditionally accepted. Navamsa is also > checked (Neecha in rasi and Uchccha in Navamsa)> > > > > > In addition to these, two more conditions of neecha-bhanga > rajayoga,> > > which are not mentioned in the classics, are:> > [sourav]: I don't think these are neecha-bhanga per se. The > teaching is that the results are akin to debilitation initialy and > then is reversed to be akin to exaltation. The key word is 'akin to' > for example a debilitated retrograde Shukra in kendra goes not give > Malavya yoga but Shukra has strength due to being vakri ( ref. to > strength rules)> > > > > > 1) Neecha graha is retrograde> > > > > > 2) Neecha graha is conjoined an uccha graha> > [sourav]: I didnt know of this. Thanks. However, I think the > neecha graha pulls down the uccha graha and the uccha graha is no > longer that exalted.> > Food for Thought: > > (a) Does this relief to the neecha graha depend on the > Naisargika Sambandha ? The reason I put this is that grahas > conjoining in a house get involved in graha yudda and hence this > factor may influence the relief.> > (b) I never read about the quality of neecha-bhanga for example, > which of the neecha-bhanga rules give more strength. This could be > related to extent of debility (i.e. how close the neecha graha is to > its deep debility degree)> > > > > > > > The last two conditions give neecha-bhanga with a lot of effort.> > > > > > This is from my recollection and so I could be slighly off.> > > > > > May Sri Vishnu bless us all,> > > Reema.> > > > > > sohamsa , "Sourav" souravc108@ wrote:> > > >> > > >> > > > || Hare Rama Krishna ||> > > >> > > > Dear Alka-ji,> > > >> > > > namaskar. Please find comments below.> > > >> > > > Best wishes,> > > >> > > > Sourav> > > >> > > > > =====================================================================> > > > sohamsa , Alka Saini alka.saini@ wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Hi,> > > > >> > > > > I am beginner in astrology and I seek some clarifications for> > > > cancellation of debility. I have read the following 4 points > about> > > > cancellation of debility.> > > > >> > > > > 1. If the dipositor of the debilitated planet is in an > angulare> > > house> > > > from ascendant or the moon.> > > > > 2. If the lord of the sign where such a planet is exalted is > in an> > > > angle from the acendant or the moon.> > > > > 3. If the debilitated planet is aspected by its dipositor.> > > > > 4. The debilitated planet is in own or exalted Navamasa.> > > > >> > > > > What I have understood dispositor as: e.g. if mars is placed > in> > > > cancer, then dispositor of mars is moon. Is my understanding > correct> > > for> > > > dispositor?> > > > >> > > > > Now my doubts:> > > > >> > > > > 1. If mars is placed in cancer, its dispositor will always > be moon,> > > > which will be in an angle from moon. So, does that mean that > mars> > > never> > > > gets debilitated or in other words, debiliation gets cancelled > due to> > > > moon.> > > >> > > > [sourav]: If that is so then Mangal will never have debility > at all !> > > > But that cannot be so. We have to understand the Neechabhanga > concept> > > > carefully. It it is caused by Kendra to Chandra then it is due > to help> > > > from society (Chandra is karaka of society). If it is by > kendra from> > > > lagna then it is due to self-effort. Hence, if Mangal is in > Karka then> > > > look for Guru of Shani being in kendra from Chandra or kendra > from> > > > Lagna.> > > >> > > >> > > > >> > > > > 2. I have not understood the rule number 2 properly. I try by> > > example> > > > and u ppl let me know if i am correct. say again if mars is > debiliated> > > > (cancer), so do we have to look at jupiter (it gets exalted in > cancer)> > > > and check if it is in an angular house from moon or asecendant.> > > >> > > > [sourav]: Yes> > > >> > > > Or we to check the exaltation sign of mars (capricorn) that > whether it> > > > is in an angular house from moon or asecendant.> > > >> > > > [sourav]: No> > > > >> > > > > 3. if debility is cancelled, then we don't need to perform > any> > > > remedies for debilitated planet?> > > >> > > > [sourav]: The correct word is Neecha Bhanga or 'breaking' of > neecha> > > > status. It is not cancellation. Rasi shows situation. When a > graha is> > > in> > > > neecha status, the person will face situations that are going > down or> > > > becoming unfavourable. So there is initial suffering. When the> > > > Vimsottari dasa of the graha which is bestowing neechabhanga > comes,> > > the> > > > situation will become favourable again. So there is suffering > first> > > and> > > > then removal.> > > >> > > > Incidentally, if a graha is retrograde and debilitated, without> > > > considering other neechabhanga rules, we can say that it is > likely to> > > > give exaltation status after initial suffering or opposing> > > > circumstances. Similarly, when graha is retrograde and exalted,> > > opposite> > > > will happen.> > > >> > > >> > > > >> > > > > Kindly answer my queries.> > > > >> > > > > Alka> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tired of spam? 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Guest guest Posted August 1, 2006 Report Share Posted August 1, 2006 Dear Sourav ji what about guru is retrograde+exalted in rashi chart and exalted in D9. Will it still be considered negative? regards / Prafulla Gang Lincoln studied by the light of a fireplace. Mozart composed by candlelight. Galileo invented by oil lamp. Didn't they ever think to do their work during the daytime? > > souravc108 > Tue, 01 Aug 2006 12:21:48 -0000 > sohamsa > Re: cancellation of debility rules?? > > > || Hare Rama Krishna || > > Dear Suchitra-ji, > > Namaskar. Lagnesha in the 8th house > is good for longivity but will make the native work hard during lifetime > as 8th house is for longivity and also rina. Lagnesha in debility in > Navamsa shows Raja-bhanga as it shows fruits of labor a hard to come by > due to lack of dharma in the past. Being retrograde shows a strong > desire for the opposite. Exaltation and debilitation signs (Signs show > situations/circumstances) shows happy and difficult circumstances where > as retrogression shows struggling. If a graha is retrograde (struggling) > in an exaltation situation if forebodes bad as it shows that the > situation is not utilized and the status is going down. Similarly infer > the opposite for the graha in retrogression in a debility sign. Now, > Guru is 'akin to exaltation in Navamsa shows that after initial > struggle, there is a support from luck. Being in a kendra it shows that > Vishnu is in control and must be worshipped to recover from > difficulties. Taking Rasi-tulya-navamsa, Guru is in 2nd house of rasi > chart showing that family/finances had a poor start but will rise. > > Best wishes, > > Sourav > > ================================================================ > sohamsa , " suchitra_kamath " <suchitra_kamath > wrote: >> >> Namaskar Visti Jee and All other members, >> >> In a particular chart I have seen exalted Retrograde Jupiter(also >> the lagna lord- Dhanu lagna)in 8th house. >> >> However in Navamsa- it is debilitated and retrograde in 10 th house. >> Please suggest if this Jupiter is beneficial for native or adverse? >> >> Thanks >> Suchitra >> >> >> sohamsa , Ramadas Rao ramadasrao@ wrote: >>> >>> OM SHRI RAGHAVENDRAAYA NAMAH >>> OM NAMO NARAYANAYA >>> Dear Sanjay Ji, >>> But then what are the results of this Neecha Budha if it does >> not get Neechabhanga ? >>> >>> With Shri Hari Vaayu Guru Naama Smarana, >>> Ramadas Rao. >>> >>> >>> Sanjay Rath sanjayrath@ wrote: >>> >>> >>> om namo bhagavate vasudevaya >>> Dear Ramdas ji >>> I did not find a nicabhanga for Mercury and hence the Viparita >> Raja Yoga is very good. This is fortunate but will cause one to seek >> fortune in foreign lands as the 12th lord is strong. >>> >>> With best wishes and warm regards, >>> Sanjay Rath >>> * * * >>> Sri Jagannath Center® >>> 15B Gangaram Hospital Road >>> New Delhi 110060, India >>> http://srath.com, +91-11-25717162 >>> * * * >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> sohamsa [sohamsa ] >> On Behalf Of Ramadas Rao >>> Sunday, July 30, 2006 10:26 PM >>> sohamsa >>> Re: Re: cancellation of debility rules?? >>> >>> >>> >>> OM SHRI RAGHAVENDRAAYA NAMAH >>> OM SHRI LAKSHMI NRUSIMHAAYA NAMAH >>> Dear Sourav and others, >>> Please go through my chart which shows Budha,the 9th and 6th >> lord in Neecha Sthana in Meena and also there is Vipareeta Raja Yoga >> in this chart. >>> I hope you will discuss the topics mentioned above and give your >> inputs. >>> With Shri Vaayu Guru Naama Smarana, >>> Ramadas Rao. >>> >>> Sourav souravc108@ wrote: >>> || Hare Rama Krishna || >>> Dear Reema-ji, >>> Namaskar. Comments below. Thanks >> for sharing Sanjay-ji's old message. >>> Best wishes, >>> Sourav >>> ============================================================== >>> sohamsa , " reema_sriganesh " >> <reema_sriganesh@> wrote: >>>> >>>> || Hare Rama Krishna || >>>> >>>> Namaste Sourav, >>>> >>>>> Incidentally, if a graha is retrograde and debilitated, without >>>> considering other neechabhanga >>>>> rules, we can say that it is likely to give exaltation status >> after >>>> initial suffering or opposing >>>>> circumstances. Similarly, when graha is retrograde and exalted, >>>> opposite will happen. >>>> >>>> I remember reading the following in one of the really old >> messages of >>>> Sanjayji on Varahamihira list. >>>> >>>> The three conditions that cause neecha-bhanga rajayoga are: >>>> >>>> 1) Graha lording the sign where neecha graha is placed is in a >> kendra >>>> from lagna or chandra >>>> >>>> 2) Graha lording the 7th from the sign where neecha graha is >> placed is >>>> in a kendra from lagna or chandra >>>> >>>> 3) Graha getting exaltation in the sign where neecha graha is >> placed is >>>> in a kendra from lagna or chandra >>> [sourav]: These are traditionally accepted. Navamsa is also >> checked (Neecha in rasi and Uchccha in Navamsa) >>>> >>>> In addition to these, two more conditions of neecha-bhanga >> rajayoga, >>>> which are not mentioned in the classics, are: >>> [sourav]: I don't think these are neecha-bhanga per se. The >> teaching is that the results are akin to debilitation initialy and >> then is reversed to be akin to exaltation. The key word is 'akin to' >> for example a debilitated retrograde Shukra in kendra goes not give >> Malavya yoga but Shukra has strength due to being vakri ( ref. to >> strength rules) >>>> >>>> 1) Neecha graha is retrograde >>>> >>>> 2) Neecha graha is conjoined an uccha graha >>> [sourav]: I didnt know of this. Thanks. However, I think the >> neecha graha pulls down the uccha graha and the uccha graha is no >> longer that exalted. >>> Food for Thought: >>> (a) Does this relief to the neecha graha depend on the >> Naisargika Sambandha ? The reason I put this is that grahas >> conjoining in a house get involved in graha yudda and hence this >> factor may influence the relief. >>> (b) I never read about the quality of neecha-bhanga for example, >> which of the neecha-bhanga rules give more strength. This could be >> related to extent of debility (i.e. how close the neecha graha is to >> its deep debility degree) >>> >>>> >>>> The last two conditions give neecha-bhanga with a lot of effort. >>>> >>>> This is from my recollection and so I could be slighly off. >>>> >>>> May Sri Vishnu bless us all, >>>> Reema. >>>> >>>> sohamsa , " Sourav " souravc108@ wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> || Hare Rama Krishna || >>>>> >>>>> Dear Alka-ji, >>>>> >>>>> namaskar. Please find comments below. >>>>> >>>>> Best wishes, >>>>> >>>>> Sourav >>>>> >>>>> >> ===================================================================== >>>>> sohamsa , Alka Saini alka.saini@ wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi, >>>>>> >>>>>> I am beginner in astrology and I seek some clarifications for >>>>> cancellation of debility. I have read the following 4 points >> about >>>>> cancellation of debility. >>>>>> >>>>>> 1. If the dipositor of the debilitated planet is in an >> angulare >>>> house >>>>> from ascendant or the moon. >>>>>> 2. If the lord of the sign where such a planet is exalted is >> in an >>>>> angle from the acendant or the moon. >>>>>> 3. If the debilitated planet is aspected by its dipositor. >>>>>> 4. The debilitated planet is in own or exalted Navamasa. >>>>>> >>>>>> What I have understood dispositor as: e.g. if mars is placed >> in >>>>> cancer, then dispositor of mars is moon. Is my understanding >> correct >>>> for >>>>> dispositor? >>>>>> >>>>>> Now my doubts: >>>>>> >>>>>> 1. If mars is placed in cancer, its dispositor will always >> be moon, >>>>> which will be in an angle from moon. So, does that mean that >> mars >>>> never >>>>> gets debilitated or in other words, debiliation gets cancelled >> due to >>>>> moon. >>>>> >>>>> [sourav]: If that is so then Mangal will never have debility >> at all ! >>>>> But that cannot be so. We have to understand the Neechabhanga >> concept >>>>> carefully. It it is caused by Kendra to Chandra then it is due >> to help >>>>> from society (Chandra is karaka of society). If it is by >> kendra from >>>>> lagna then it is due to self-effort. Hence, if Mangal is in >> Karka then >>>>> look for Guru of Shani being in kendra from Chandra or kendra >> from >>>>> Lagna. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> 2. I have not understood the rule number 2 properly. I try by >>>> example >>>>> and u ppl let me know if i am correct. say again if mars is >> debiliated >>>>> (cancer), so do we have to look at jupiter (it gets exalted in >> cancer) >>>>> and check if it is in an angular house from moon or asecendant. >>>>> >>>>> [sourav]: Yes >>>>> >>>>> Or we to check the exaltation sign of mars (capricorn) that >> whether it >>>>> is in an angular house from moon or asecendant. >>>>> >>>>> [sourav]: No >>>>>> >>>>>> 3. if debility is cancelled, then we don't need to perform >> any >>>>> remedies for debilitated planet? >>>>> >>>>> [sourav]: The correct word is Neecha Bhanga or 'breaking' of >> neecha >>>>> status. It is not cancellation. Rasi shows situation. When a >> graha is >>>> in >>>>> neecha status, the person will face situations that are going >> down or >>>>> becoming unfavourable. So there is initial suffering. When the >>>>> Vimsottari dasa of the graha which is bestowing neechabhanga >> comes, >>>> the >>>>> situation will become favourable again. So there is suffering >> first >>>> and >>>>> then removal. >>>>> >>>>> Incidentally, if a graha is retrograde and debilitated, without >>>>> considering other neechabhanga rules, we can say that it is >> likely to >>>>> give exaltation status after initial suffering or opposing >>>>> circumstances. Similarly, when graha is retrograde and exalted, >>>> opposite >>>>> will happen. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Kindly answer my queries. >>>>>> >>>>>> Alka >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Tired of spam? Mail has the best spam protection >> around >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Here's a new way to find what you're looking for - >> Answers >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Here's a new way to find what you're looking for - Answers >>> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 1, 2006 Report Share Posted August 1, 2006 Dear Sourav, Thank You by the way for your posts. They definately benefit myself and many others I'm sure. Always very clear and true. This example of Brihaspati exalted and retrograde, then debilitated and retrograde is very interesting. I do and don't fully understand. If the situation were reversed in D1/D9 would that be worse. For instance when you say a raja-bhanga occurs because Brihaspati is nica, was there not a raja-bhanga anyway, in the first place with Brihaspati also retrograde? I guess you are saying there was position which then gets undermined. I am imagining that if Brihaspati was reversed in D1/D9 it could be more difficult as then it would become a nica bhanga and then cancellation of the same. From a dharmic point of view though it would be better? Best Wishes, Paul sohamsa , " Sourav " <souravc108 wrote: > > > || Hare Rama Krishna || > > Dear Suchitra-ji, > > Namaskar. Lagnesha in the 8th house > is good for longivity but will make the native work hard during lifetime > as 8th house is for longivity and also rina. Lagnesha in debility in > Navamsa shows Raja-bhanga as it shows fruits of labor a hard to come by > due to lack of dharma in the past. Being retrograde shows a strong > desire for the opposite. Exaltation and debilitation signs (Signs show > situations/circumstances) shows happy and difficult circumstances where > as retrogression shows struggling. If a graha is retrograde (struggling) > in an exaltation situation if forebodes bad as it shows that the > situation is not utilized and the status is going down. Similarly infer > the opposite for the graha in retrogression in a debility sign. Now, > Guru is 'akin to exaltation in Navamsa shows that after initial > struggle, there is a support from luck. Being in a kendra it shows that > Vishnu is in control and must be worshipped to recover from > difficulties. Taking Rasi-tulya-navamsa, Guru is in 2nd house of rasi > chart showing that family/finances had a poor start but will rise. > > Best wishes, > > Sourav > > ================================================================ > sohamsa , " suchitra_kamath " <suchitra_kamath@> > wrote: > > > > Namaskar Visti Jee and All other members, > > > > In a particular chart I have seen exalted Retrograde Jupiter(also > > the lagna lord- Dhanu lagna)in 8th house. > > > > However in Navamsa- it is debilitated and retrograde in 10 th house. > > Please suggest if this Jupiter is beneficial for native or adverse? > > > > Thanks > > Suchitra > > > > > > sohamsa , Ramadas Rao ramadasrao@ wrote: > > > > > > OM SHRI RAGHAVENDRAAYA NAMAH > > > OM NAMO NARAYANAYA > > > Dear Sanjay Ji, > > > But then what are the results of this Neecha Budha if it does > > not get Neechabhanga ? > > > > > > With Shri Hari Vaayu Guru Naama Smarana, > > > Ramadas Rao. > > > > > > > > > Sanjay Rath sanjayrath@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > om namo bhagavate vasudevaya > > > Dear Ramdas ji > > > I did not find a nicabhanga for Mercury and hence the Viparita > > Raja Yoga is very good. This is fortunate but will cause one to seek > > fortune in foreign lands as the 12th lord is strong. > > > > > > With best wishes and warm regards, > > > Sanjay Rath > > > * * * > > > Sri Jagannath Center® > > > 15B Gangaram Hospital Road > > > New Delhi 110060, India > > > http://srath.com, +91-11-25717162 > > > * * * > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sohamsa [sohamsa ] > > On Behalf Of Ramadas Rao > > > Sunday, July 30, 2006 10:26 PM > > > sohamsa > > > Re: Re: cancellation of debility rules?? > > > > > > > > > > > > OM SHRI RAGHAVENDRAAYA NAMAH > > > OM SHRI LAKSHMI NRUSIMHAAYA NAMAH > > > Dear Sourav and others, > > > Please go through my chart which shows Budha,the 9th and 6th > > lord in Neecha Sthana in Meena and also there is Vipareeta Raja Yoga > > in this chart. > > > I hope you will discuss the topics mentioned above and give your > > inputs. > > > With Shri Vaayu Guru Naama Smarana, > > > Ramadas Rao. > > > > > > Sourav souravc108@ wrote: > > > || Hare Rama Krishna || > > > Dear Reema-ji, > > > Namaskar. Comments below. Thanks > > for sharing Sanjay-ji's old message. > > > Best wishes, > > > Sourav > > > ============================================================== > > > sohamsa , " reema_sriganesh " > > <reema_sriganesh@> wrote: > > > > > > > > || Hare Rama Krishna || > > > > > > > > Namaste Sourav, > > > > > > > > > Incidentally, if a graha is retrograde and debilitated, without > > > > considering other neechabhanga > > > > > rules, we can say that it is likely to give exaltation status > > after > > > > initial suffering or opposing > > > > > circumstances. Similarly, when graha is retrograde and exalted, > > > > opposite will happen. > > > > > > > > I remember reading the following in one of the really old > > messages of > > > > Sanjayji on Varahamihira list. > > > > > > > > The three conditions that cause neecha-bhanga rajayoga are: > > > > > > > > 1) Graha lording the sign where neecha graha is placed is in a > > kendra > > > > from lagna or chandra > > > > > > > > 2) Graha lording the 7th from the sign where neecha graha is > > placed is > > > > in a kendra from lagna or chandra > > > > > > > > 3) Graha getting exaltation in the sign where neecha graha is > > placed is > > > > in a kendra from lagna or chandra > > > [sourav]: These are traditionally accepted. Navamsa is also > > checked (Neecha in rasi and Uchccha in Navamsa) > > > > > > > > In addition to these, two more conditions of neecha-bhanga > > rajayoga, > > > > which are not mentioned in the classics, are: > > > [sourav]: I don't think these are neecha-bhanga per se. The > > teaching is that the results are akin to debilitation initialy and > > then is reversed to be akin to exaltation. The key word is 'akin to' > > for example a debilitated retrograde Shukra in kendra goes not give > > Malavya yoga but Shukra has strength due to being vakri ( ref. to > > strength rules) > > > > > > > > 1) Neecha graha is retrograde > > > > > > > > 2) Neecha graha is conjoined an uccha graha > > > [sourav]: I didnt know of this. Thanks. However, I think the > > neecha graha pulls down the uccha graha and the uccha graha is no > > longer that exalted. > > > Food for Thought: > > > (a) Does this relief to the neecha graha depend on the > > Naisargika Sambandha ? The reason I put this is that grahas > > conjoining in a house get involved in graha yudda and hence this > > factor may influence the relief. > > > (b) I never read about the quality of neecha-bhanga for example, > > which of the neecha-bhanga rules give more strength. This could be > > related to extent of debility (i.e. how close the neecha graha is to > > its deep debility degree) > > > > > > > > > > > The last two conditions give neecha-bhanga with a lot of effort. > > > > > > > > This is from my recollection and so I could be slighly off. > > > > > > > > May Sri Vishnu bless us all, > > > > Reema. > > > > > > > > sohamsa , " Sourav " souravc108@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > || Hare Rama Krishna || > > > > > > > > > > Dear Alka-ji, > > > > > > > > > > namaskar. Please find comments below. > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > Sourav > > > > > > > > > > > > ===================================================================== > > > > > sohamsa , Alka Saini alka.saini@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > > > > > I am beginner in astrology and I seek some clarifications for > > > > > cancellation of debility. I have read the following 4 points > > about > > > > > cancellation of debility. > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. If the dipositor of the debilitated planet is in an > > angulare > > > > house > > > > > from ascendant or the moon. > > > > > > 2. If the lord of the sign where such a planet is exalted is > > in an > > > > > angle from the acendant or the moon. > > > > > > 3. If the debilitated planet is aspected by its dipositor. > > > > > > 4. The debilitated planet is in own or exalted Navamasa. > > > > > > > > > > > > What I have understood dispositor as: e.g. if mars is placed > > in > > > > > cancer, then dispositor of mars is moon. Is my understanding > > correct > > > > for > > > > > dispositor? > > > > > > > > > > > > Now my doubts: > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. If mars is placed in cancer, its dispositor will always > > be moon, > > > > > which will be in an angle from moon. So, does that mean that > > mars > > > > never > > > > > gets debilitated or in other words, debiliation gets cancelled > > due to > > > > > moon. > > > > > > > > > > [sourav]: If that is so then Mangal will never have debility > > at all ! > > > > > But that cannot be so. We have to understand the Neechabhanga > > concept > > > > > carefully. It it is caused by Kendra to Chandra then it is due > > to help > > > > > from society (Chandra is karaka of society). If it is by > > kendra from > > > > > lagna then it is due to self-effort. Hence, if Mangal is in > > Karka then > > > > > look for Guru of Shani being in kendra from Chandra or kendra > > from > > > > > Lagna. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. I have not understood the rule number 2 properly. I try by > > > > example > > > > > and u ppl let me know if i am correct. say again if mars is > > debiliated > > > > > (cancer), so do we have to look at jupiter (it gets exalted in > > cancer) > > > > > and check if it is in an angular house from moon or asecendant. > > > > > > > > > > [sourav]: Yes > > > > > > > > > > Or we to check the exaltation sign of mars (capricorn) that > > whether it > > > > > is in an angular house from moon or asecendant. > > > > > > > > > > [sourav]: No > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. if debility is cancelled, then we don't need to perform > > any > > > > > remedies for debilitated planet? > > > > > > > > > > [sourav]: The correct word is Neecha Bhanga or 'breaking' of > > neecha > > > > > status. It is not cancellation. Rasi shows situation. When a > > graha is > > > > in > > > > > neecha status, the person will face situations that are going > > down or > > > > > becoming unfavourable. So there is initial suffering. When the > > > > > Vimsottari dasa of the graha which is bestowing neechabhanga > > comes, > > > > the > > > > > situation will become favourable again. So there is suffering > > first > > > > and > > > > > then removal. > > > > > > > > > > Incidentally, if a graha is retrograde and debilitated, without > > > > > considering other neechabhanga rules, we can say that it is > > likely to > > > > > give exaltation status after initial suffering or opposing > > > > > circumstances. Similarly, when graha is retrograde and exalted, > > > > opposite > > > > > will happen. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kindly answer my queries. > > > > > > > > > > > > Alka > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tired of spam? 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