Guest guest Posted July 28, 2006 Report Share Posted July 28, 2006 |OM GURAVE NAMAH| Dear Rafal, That helped a lot. I am trying to absorb the information in the article on your site as well. Thanks Supriti sohamsa , " Rafal Gendarz " <starsuponme wrote: > > Dear Supriti, > Maybe You will be interested: > http://essayxp.blogspot.com/2006/06/lately-many-doubts-arise- around.html > > When You see about transformation then see : > (1) parivartana > (2) natural age of planets > (3) maturation/change due to activation of dasa (but these grahas must have influence on specific point like UL/A7/A5 etc). > > > Regards > Rafal Gendarz > > - > Supriti Majumdar > sohamsa > Thursday, July 27, 2006 10:31 PM > Re: 1st UL & 3rd UL (Thread from VA List) > > > > |OM GURAVE NAMAH| > > Dear Rafal and learned members , > > Thank you so much for replying to my query. I am trying to learn the concept of transformation happening withing the realm of one UL. Is it possible? If so, how do we read that? I am listing my queries below. > > Regards > > Supriti > > > sohamsa , " Rafal Gendarz " <starsuponme@> wrote: > > > > vyam vyasadevaya namah > > Dear Supriti > > If I may help! > > Regards > > Rafal Gendarz > > - > > Supriti Majumdar > > sohamsa > > Thursday, July 27, 2006 6:25 PM > > Re: 1st UL & 3rd UL (Thread from VA List) > > > > > > OM GURAVE NAMAH| > > Dear learned list members, > > > > I have a few basic questions. Please help me understand this better. > > > > 1. How do we judge the UL if the UL is empty? Do we consider the > > aspects on it or do we consider the lord and the aspects on the > > lords. > > > > [Rafal] I've heard many opinions. Sanjay ji in one lecture told that aspects are more important. Thats how arudhas are working (mirrors). The lord is important as a source (Surya concept). Therefore the resourcefulness of spouse / giver is reflected by avastha of bhavadhipati. Aspect on the lord are too far but the yuti matters a lot. This is seen when Sanjay Ji describes in COVA parts related to AL. He take the yuti of the AL Lord and describes image/work/being/social status from that. > > > > [supriti] So can a relationship transform? If so, which combinations make it transform. I have seen people who have better relationship after going to a counsellor. How can we see if a person is going to apply his intelligence to transform a relationship? Can we say that the lord is a source of intelligence that can be applied to the relationship. > > > > 2. Can the UL undergo transformation if it is aspected by malefics > > and its lord is aspected by benefics. > > > > [Rafal] Lord is about status/money situation of spouse. Rasi of lord can indicate place of meeting. Libra - party etc. > > > > > > 2. Also, let say UL is virgo and UL lord is in libra. Will the > > effects on the UL relationship be different in Vi Narayan dasa (or > > houses aspecting it) than it is in Libra Narayan dasa? > > > > [Rafal] Arudha's in trikona are activated in peculiar Dasa's . So the Vimshottari graha's in kona to A7 in d-9 are important for marriage matters. One good method is looking at Ve/Ke/Ul aspect on ND rasi - for marriage purposes. Upapada can indicate event while Lord Dasa Rasi can show the specific person crucial events but it can be not relative. > > [supriti] My questions pertain to transformation of a relationship from good to bad and vice versa when D9 Narayan Dasas change. How do we read this? > > > > Thank you. > > > > Regards > > Supriti > > > > sohamsa , " Rafal Gendarz " starsuponme@ > > wrote: > > > > > > vyam vyasadevaya namah > > > Dear Anurag & RR > > > > > > These kind of stories are told in Sanjay Ji book Vimshottari dasa. > > The grahas influencing in that case must be the same. If the graha's > > are different then the person is different (I gave example with UL in > > Libra and 2 from UL is Taurus - Shukra - i think this is the cited > > example in book). The common lagna is not enough as many people have > > the same lagna. Problem with manifestation is problem with UL, > > problem with continuation is 2 or 7 from UL. It should be clear with > > prasna what is going on. > > > > > > Regards > > > Rafal Gendarz > > > > > > > > > - > > > Anurag Sharma > > > sohamsa > > > Thursday, July 27, 2006 9:34 AM > > > 1st UL & 3rd UL (Thread from VA List) > > > > > > > > > Dear RR, > > > > > > Yes, it is an interesting situation. > > > > > > I have written about this on one of the Lists about a month or so > > > back. > > > > > > In any case, I am not very clear as to what you mean by the > > > phrase 'what happens'. > > > > > > Even apart from the situation where one Graha lords over two ULs, > > > there can be a going back to the first spouse/ UL relationship. > > > > > > Consider a chart with an afflicted first UL. Say, it is > > Sagittarius > > > with the Guru-Chandala Yoga. Say, this is a female chart. The > > > relationship manifests and from her side it is a UL relationship. > > > Let us leave the question open as to whether this couple got > > married > > > the first time around or not. But let us conclusively say that > > the > > > UL manifested. Now Guru is the lord of this UL and is placed in > > the > > > UL itself. The inherent affliction is due to the Guru- Chandala > > Yoga > > > making it a weak UL. But it manifests. It breaks either because > > of > > > this inherent weakness, or malefic influence on the 2nd Lord or > > the > > > 2nd House from this 1st UL. Perhaps also because of malefic > > transits > > > on this UL or the UL (or A7? If the other partner did not or > > could > > > not deem it to be a UL for him due to any factors). > > > > > > Say, the directional influences were such that the Rahu part of > > the > > > UL manifested, maybe due to the Rahu Dasha is one or both charts > > and > > > it was predominantly a very malefic period. > > > > > > The nest UL goes to Cancer. Say, this too is afflicted in some > > way, > > > but not enough to not allow the UL to fructify at all. So, the > > 2nd > > > marriage/ UL relationship happens. Say, the 2nd Lord or house > > from > > > the 2nd UL is weak or debilitated and this too breaks at the time > > > indicated by the Shani Gochar or Dasha influences in the two > > charts. > > > > > > The 8th from this 2nd UL would show the 3rd UL. Say it is > > > Aquarius.Now while the Lagna of the 3rd UL would obviously be > > seen > > > from the Kumbha Rashi or the 7th from it, whichever is stronger, > > it > > > is possible that the Lagna of the 3rd UL spouse/ partner is > > > the " same " as that of the " first " UL/ partner. How? > > > > > > The first UL in this case was Sagittarius. So it could be this > > sign > > > or the trines from it, assuming it is stronger than Gemini. So, > > > Saggitarius, Gemini, Aries and Leo could be the signs of the > > other's > > > Lagna. > > > > > > Now, with Kumbha, Leo is one of the common signs and Sagittarius > > is > > > yet another as one of the lords of Kumbha, Rahu, is placed in > > this > > > sign. The idea is that 'reverting' to the same Lagna as that of > > > the 'first spouse' is quite possible when two planets are > > conjunct. > > > > > > Moreover, the relationship could have a completely different > > nature > > > and tenor. It could. If Rahu dominated the first time around and > > > Guru has become dominant in Dasha influences, then the nature of > > the > > > first UL, when he/ she becomes the third UL could also undergo a > > > transformation. > > > > > > I hope this gives you an insight into some of the possibilities > > in > > > this regard. > > > > > > Best Wishes, > > > Anurag Sharma > > > http://www.planetarytransformation.blogspot.com > > > > > > vedic astrology , " Rafal Gendarz " > > > <starsuponme@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear RR, > > > > It can be possible with first UL and 2UL (forexample UL in > > Libra) > > > so it can happen..but how it happen with 3UL:)? Give the example > > > > Regards > > > > Rafal Gendarz > > > > > > > > - > > > > Rhoda Reporter > > > > vedic astrology > > > > Thursday, July 27, 2006 8:20 AM > > > > [vedic astrology] 1st UL and 3rd UL > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dear members, > > > > what happens when the 3rd UL is actually none other than the > > 1st > > > UL. > > > > this happens when the native gets back to the 1st husband. > > > > 1st marriage----UL no 1 > > > > 2nd marriage---UL no2 > > > > 3rd marriage----UL no3 (here the native gets back to the 1st > > > husband. > > > > which means, 1st UL and 3rd UL show the same person. > > > > > > > > interesting situation........ > > > > regards > > > > rr > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 28, 2006 Report Share Posted July 28, 2006 vyam vyasadevaya namah Dear Supriti, Nice to hear. Now I download characteristics from PD, but there are many other nice articles for You! Regards Rafal Gendarz - Supriti Majumdar sohamsa Friday, July 28, 2006 4:22 PM Re: 1st UL & 3rd UL (Thread from VA List) |OM GURAVE NAMAH|Dear Rafal,That helped a lot. I am trying to absorb the information in the article on your site as well.ThanksSupritisohamsa , "Rafal Gendarz" <starsuponme wrote:>> Dear Supriti,> Maybe You will be interested:> http://essayxp.blogspot.com/2006/06/lately-many-doubts-arise-around.html> > When You see about transformation then see :> (1) parivartana> (2) natural age of planets> (3) maturation/change due to activation of dasa (but these grahas must have influence on specific point like UL/A7/A5 etc).> > > Regards> Rafal Gendarz> > - > Supriti Majumdar > sohamsa > Thursday, July 27, 2006 10:31 PM> Re: 1st UL & 3rd UL (Thread from VA List)> > > > |OM GURAVE NAMAH|> > Dear Rafal and learned members ,> > Thank you so much for replying to my query. I am trying to learn the concept of transformation happening withing the realm of one UL. Is it possible? If so, how do we read that? I am listing my queries below.> > Regards> > Supriti> > > sohamsa , "Rafal Gendarz" <starsuponme@> wrote:> >> > vyam vyasadevaya namah> > Dear Supriti> > If I may help!> > Regards> > Rafal Gendarz> > - > > Supriti Majumdar > > sohamsa > > Thursday, July 27, 2006 6:25 PM> > Re: 1st UL & 3rd UL (Thread from VA List)> > > > > > OM GURAVE NAMAH|> > Dear learned list members,> > > > I have a few basic questions. Please help me understand this better.> > > > 1. How do we judge the UL if the UL is empty? Do we consider the > > aspects on it or do we consider the lord and the aspects on the > > lords. > > > > [Rafal] I've heard many opinions. Sanjay ji in one lecture told that aspects are more important. Thats how arudhas are working (mirrors). The lord is important as a source (Surya concept). Therefore the resourcefulness of spouse / giver is reflected by avastha of bhavadhipati. Aspect on the lord are too far but the yuti matters a lot. This is seen when Sanjay Ji describes in COVA parts related to AL. He take the yuti of the AL Lord and describes image/work/being/social status from that.> > > > [supriti] So can a relationship transform? If so, which combinations make it transform. I have seen people who have better relationship after going to a counsellor. How can we see if a person is going to apply his intelligence to transform a relationship? Can we say that the lord is a source of intelligence that can be applied to the relationship.> > > > 2. Can the UL undergo transformation if it is aspected by malefics > > and its lord is aspected by benefics.> > > > [Rafal] Lord is about status/money situation of spouse. Rasi of lord can indicate place of meeting. Libra - party etc.> > > > > > 2. Also, let say UL is virgo and UL lord is in libra. Will the > > effects on the UL relationship be different in Vi Narayan dasa (or > > houses aspecting it) than it is in Libra Narayan dasa?> > > > [Rafal] Arudha's in trikona are activated in peculiar Dasa's . So the Vimshottari graha's in kona to A7 in d-9 are important for marriage matters. One good method is looking at Ve/Ke/Ul aspect on ND rasi - for marriage purposes. Upapada can indicate event while Lord Dasa Rasi can show the specific person crucial events but it can be not relative.> > [supriti] My questions pertain to transformation of a relationship from good to bad and vice versa when D9 Narayan Dasas change. How do we read this?> > > > Thank you.> > > > Regards> > Supriti> > > > sohamsa , "Rafal Gendarz" starsuponme@ > > wrote:> > >> > > vyam vyasadevaya namah> > > Dear Anurag & RR> > > > > > These kind of stories are told in Sanjay Ji book Vimshottari dasa. > > The grahas influencing in that case must be the same. If the graha's > > are different then the person is different (I gave example with UL in > > Libra and 2 from UL is Taurus - Shukra - i think this is the cited > > example in book). The common lagna is not enough as many people have > > the same lagna. Problem with manifestation is problem with UL, > > problem with continuation is 2 or 7 from UL. It should be clear with > > prasna what is going on.> > > > > > Regards> > > Rafal Gendarz> > > > > > > > > - > > > Anurag Sharma > > > sohamsa > > > Thursday, July 27, 2006 9:34 AM> > > 1st UL & 3rd UL (Thread from VA List)> > > > > > > > > Dear RR,> > > > > > Yes, it is an interesting situation.> > > > > > I have written about this on one of the Lists about a month or so > > > back.> > > > > > In any case, I am not very clear as to what you mean by the > > > phrase 'what happens'. > > > > > > Even apart from the situation where one Graha lords over two ULs, > > > there can be a going back to the first spouse/ UL relationship.> > > > > > Consider a chart with an afflicted first UL. Say, it is > > Sagittarius > > > with the Guru-Chandala Yoga. Say, this is a female chart. The > > > relationship manifests and from her side it is a UL relationship. > > > Let us leave the question open as to whether this couple got > > married > > > the first time around or not. But let us conclusively say that > > the > > > UL manifested. Now Guru is the lord of this UL and is placed in > > the > > > UL itself. The inherent affliction is due to the Guru-Chandala > > Yoga > > > making it a weak UL. But it manifests. It breaks either because > > of > > > this inherent weakness, or malefic influence on the 2nd Lord or > > the > > > 2nd House from this 1st UL. Perhaps also because of malefic > > transits > > > on this UL or the UL (or A7? If the other partner did not or > > could > > > not deem it to be a UL for him due to any factors). > > > > > > Say, the directional influences were such that the Rahu part of > > the > > > UL manifested, maybe due to the Rahu Dasha is one or both charts > > and > > > it was predominantly a very malefic period. > > > > > > The nest UL goes to Cancer. Say, this too is afflicted in some > > way, > > > but not enough to not allow the UL to fructify at all. So, the > > 2nd > > > marriage/ UL relationship happens. Say, the 2nd Lord or house > > from > > > the 2nd UL is weak or debilitated and this too breaks at the time > > > indicated by the Shani Gochar or Dasha influences in the two > > charts.> > > > > > The 8th from this 2nd UL would show the 3rd UL. Say it is > > > Aquarius.Now while the Lagna of the 3rd UL would obviously be > > seen > > > from the Kumbha Rashi or the 7th from it, whichever is stronger, > > it > > > is possible that the Lagna of the 3rd UL spouse/ partner is > > > the "same" as that of the "first" UL/ partner. How?> > > > > > The first UL in this case was Sagittarius. So it could be this > > sign > > > or the trines from it, assuming it is stronger than Gemini. So, > > > Saggitarius, Gemini, Aries and Leo could be the signs of the > > other's > > > Lagna.> > > > > > Now, with Kumbha, Leo is one of the common signs and Sagittarius > > is > > > yet another as one of the lords of Kumbha, Rahu, is placed in > > this > > > sign. The idea is that 'reverting' to the same Lagna as that of > > > the 'first spouse' is quite possible when two planets are > > conjunct. > > > > > > Moreover, the relationship could have a completely different > > nature > > > and tenor. It could. If Rahu dominated the first time around and > > > Guru has become dominant in Dasha influences, then the nature of > > the > > > first UL, when he/ she becomes the third UL could also undergo a > > > transformation.> > > > > > I hope this gives you an insight into some of the possibilities > > in > > > this regard.> > > > > > Best Wishes,> > > Anurag Sharma> > > http://www.planetarytransformation.blogspot.com> > > > > > vedic astrology , "Rafal Gendarz" > > > <starsuponme@> wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear RR,> > > > It can be possible with first UL and 2UL (forexample UL in > > Libra) > > > so it can happen..but how it happen with 3UL:)? Give the example> > > > Regards> > > > Rafal Gendarz> > > > > > > > - > > > > Rhoda Reporter > > > > vedic astrology > > > > Thursday, July 27, 2006 8:20 AM> > > > [vedic astrology] 1st UL and 3rd UL> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dear members,> > > > what happens when the 3rd UL is actually none other than the > > 1st > > > UL.> > > > this happens when the native gets back to the 1st husband.> > > > 1st marriage----UL no 1> > > > 2nd marriage---UL no2> > > > 3rd marriage----UL no3 (here the native gets back to the 1st > > > husband.> > > > which means, 1st UL and 3rd UL show the same person.> > > > > > > > interesting situation........> > > > regards > > > > rr> > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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