Guest guest Posted July 2, 2006 Report Share Posted July 2, 2006 Dear Visti ji Many thanks for elaborated note. I have few queries - If UL and A7 falls in the same house, then what does it indicate? Is it important that UL and AL are mutually well placed? Does UL lord's placement from UL also plays role? and likewise is it important that 7th lord and UL lord are mutually well placed. You mentioned about native's spouse being the reason for breakage of marriage (if trine from 7th house has affliction ). so when is native being the main reason for such breakage. Does yoga graha (saturn / mars etc for specific lagnas - even though they are krur in nature) also afflict UL / A7 / 7th house. and if rahu / ketu becomes yoga graha for their association with such yoga graha in chart, also continue to remain malefic for UL/A7 etc. regards / Prafulla Gang The only difference between men and boys is the price of their toys. > > visti > Sat, 1 Jul 2006 15:30:04 +0200 > sohamsa > RE: Re: UL for second marriage match making > > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > > Dear Pranav, Namaskar > > Each show different things. > > * The seventh house in rasi shows our attitude towards all sambandha. > * The seventh lord shows the state of the partner and the physical > sambandha we have with that partner, whilst Venus shows our experience of > love in general. > * The seventh lord from Venus indicates the events which bring us into > sambandha. > * The darapada shows the type of partners that come to us, as well as > their intentions. > * The upapada shows the types of vivaha we have and the EXCUSES for > sustenance/breakage. > * The seventh house in navamsa is the major factor and shows the exact > nature of the particular spouse as well as the events which led to or > broke > the vivaha. Subsequent vivahas are seen from the eighth from the seventh, > i.e. 7th, 2nd, 9th, 4th, etc indicate the first, second, third and fourth > vivahas respectively. > * Upapada dominates in deciding the length of the vivaha, but > sambandha can continue even after vivaha is over. > > Best wishes, > > *** > > Visti Larsen > > For services and articles visit: > > <http://srigaruda.com> http://srigaruda.com > > *** > > _____ > > sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf > Of > Pranav Gupta > 29 June 2006 18:26 > sohamsa > RE: Re: UL for second marriage match making > > > > Respected Visti ji, > > > > Thank you for sharing your thoughts on A7 and UL! > > > > What takes higher weightage - UL and considerations around UL OR 7th > Lord, > and considerations around 7th lord/ 7th H? If one is positive and other > is > negative. > > > > I am attempting to explain the same with an example: > > > > If in a chart A7 is conjoined/aspected by a benefic (say an exalted > benefic) > and the 7th house is aspected by Malefics and the Venus (also 7th lord) > is > shaapit. Does this person (have a chance of having a long relationship > (1st, > 2nd or 3rd...)? When one of the UL (UL1,UL2, or UL3..) is a benefic and > 2nd > from UL is also a benefic with no malefic aspects.Here two contradicting > things are being shown by the same horoscope. > > What will be the final outcome? Does UL (UL1. UL2, ...) with benefic > aspects > and 2nd from the same UL with benefics give the native a happy married > life > even though malefice aspects on 7H, Shaapit 7L and Shaapit Venus indicate > otherwise? > > Warm regards, > > Pranav > > Visti Larsen <visti wrote: > > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > > Dear Rafal, Namaskar > > UL and A7 becomes easy once we have clear terms for them. Guruji > explained: > Upapada shows vivaha, and Darapada shows sambandha. So for upapada we > study > the eight types of Vivaha, whilst for darapada it shows ANY type of > sambandha. > > Best wishes, > > *** > > Visti Larsen > > For services and articles visit: > > <http://srigaruda.com/> http://srigaruda.com > > *** > > > _____ > > > sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf > Of > Rafal Gendarz > 28 June 2006 22:37 > sohamsa > Re: Re: UL for second marriage match making > > Dear Goel, > > If I rememeber correectly then Sharma explains why in His commentary. > Jataka > Tattwa has also something to say.. > > Regards > > Rafal Gendarz > > - > > Gopal Goel <gkgoel1937 > > sohamsa > > Wednesday, June 28, 2006 4:49 PM > > Re: Re: UL for second marriage match making > > Dear friends, > > Parasara says if Atma-Karka is placed in the navamsa sign of Moon ,Venus > or > Mars ,the person will show interest in the spouses of others.Can you give > me > feed back on this dictum. > > Regards, > > G.K.GOEL > > Pranav Gupta <sushmagupta51 wrote: > > !Om Gurveh Namah! > > Dear Rafal, > > Thank you for sharing your thoughts on A7 and UL! > > You split the scenario I put forward, If in a chart A7 is > conjoined/aspected > by a benefic (say an exalted benefic) and the 7th house is aspected by > Malefics and the Venus (also 7th lord) is shaapit. Does this person (have > a > chance of having a long relationship (1st, 2nd or 3rd...)? When one of > the > UL (UL1,UL2, or UL3..) is a benefic and 2nd from UL is also a benefic > with > no malefic aspects.Here two contradicting things are being shown by the > same > horoscope. > > What will be the final outcome? Does UL (UL1. UL2, ...) with benefic > aspects > and 2nd from the same UL with benefics give the native a happy married > life > even though malefice aspects on 7H, Shaapit 7L and Shaapit Venus indicate > otherwise? > > Warm regards, > > Pranav > > Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme wrote: > > klim datta guru > > Dear Pranav, > > comments under your notes. > > Regards Rafal Gendarz > > - > > Pranav <sushmagupta51 Gupta > > sohamsa > > Friday, June 09, 2006 11:54 PM > > Re: Re: UL for second marriage match making > > !Om Guraveh Namah! > > Dear Rafal, > > Thank you for the wonderful and concise explanation! > > I always get confused about when does a relation (sexual) starts to get > reflected from A7 to the UL. Can you let me know your thoughts on it? > > [Rafal] Sexuality is broad term. The attitude is seen in kona to seventh > bhava in Navamsa. I believe Clinton had Moon and Mercury in eleventh > bhava > which gave extramaritial affair. A7 is more connected to sexuality and if > Sanjay said that Mercury and Shani can disturb the same. AL and A7 also > tell > us about our attitude about sexuality. Venus aspecting the UL means the > sexuality is neccessary to START relationship, while the aspect on 2 from > UL > means that sexuality is neccessary to MAINTAIN the relationship. Sanjay > once > wrote that place where you meet all sexual partners is A7. When this is > connected to UL through aspect/yuti then it means that it sexual/flirt > can > be within realm of serious relationship while the A7 Lord in UL usually > means some relationship before this one. There is also tip which says > that > if UL's are not in Kona this is not their(matching man/woman) first > relationship. In one place in COVA Sanjay Ji mention also the fifth lord > placement for this kind of matters. Venus in second in Dharmaamsa gives > high > libido..and Ojas is seen in Somanath Dreshkon so topic is broad. > > Also for example - If in a chart A7 is conjoined/aspected by a benefic > (say > an exalted planet like Jupiter) and the 7th house is aspected by Malefics > and the Venus is shaapit. > > [Rafal] If malefic touch the seventh it can indicate some bad > emotions/attitude connected to relationship. Venus shaapa gives also bad > experience but more serious is shaapa with UL lord involvment. a7 > aspected > by many planets gives many relationship. strong grahas also gives many > partners or high qualities of the same. > > Does the person have a chance of having a long relationship (1st, 2nd or > 3rd...)? Even when the UL lord is a benefic, 2nd from UL is also a > benefic > and no malefic aspects. > [Rafal] > > If the 2 from UL is free from malefic then this UL stays and marriage is > longlasting. Upapada fasting (take Vara indicated by lord of UL) is > always > important. > > > Warm regards, > > Pranav > > > Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme wrote: > > klim datta guru > > Dear Pranav, > > Jatak Parijata says that if malefic is in forth house then one has bad > attitude towards the relatives, so we see that Bhava in Rasi indicate > Your > attitude which is nice explained in Sanjay Rath lecture about marriage. > The > Karaka - Venus - is about experiencing, it is something which Your mind > is > digesting, while the lord is the person himself. The Navamsa is concrete > in > this regard and shows also inlaws, work and internal attributes. The > attitude is the core but it also change with antardasa (moon) so the > seventh > from antardasa can show the likings of native in various periods. We > worked > with Guruji with one example when one felt attraction towards the same > sex > towards one dasa so this also must be seen as the attitude is changing > but > the core stays the same. So Lord is person, Karaka is experience and > Bhava > is attitude, UL is more external and broad and as You said the 2nd from > UL > is of utmost importance. Attitude is also seen from placement and sign of > Venus (guna of sign is important) ! Venus in scorpio navamsa can give > loose > morals...stri jataka is important to study. > > Regards > > Rafal Gendarz > > - > > Pranav <sushmagupta51 Gupta > > sohamsa > > Friday, June 09, 2006 9:39 PM > > Re: Re: UL for second marriage match making > > !Om Gurveh Namah! > > Dear Members, > > From my understanding the golden rule you mentioned applies to D-9 chart > and > that too for concurrent relationships. In case of dicorce or breakage you > look at 2nd spouse from 2nd house (8th from 7th in D9) and any subsequent > ones at 8th from there onwards. > > Moreover UL is very important as it gives the intent and strength of > relationship, and 2nd from UL indicates the length of the relationship. > > One looks at the and look at the 7th house, its lord and Venus in the D-1 > for the person's attitude towards all the marriages/partenerships. > > Let me know if my understanding is incorrect. > > Regards, > Pranav > > Gopal Goel <gkgoel1937 wrote: > > Dear Rafal, > > Kindly alaways remeber the golden rule that 2nd > > wife is seen from 9TH house and 3rd wife from 11th house in d-1 chart. > this > is the basic and imortant principle. > > Up-pada comes in ON 2nd place. 7th house and Up-pada and simlarly for > second marrige 9th house and 8th house from Up-pada ARE VERY VERY > > imortant. > > G.K.GOEL > > Rafal <starsuponme wrote: > > klim datta guru > dear Sumanth, > > Yes. The 2nd UL, and the 2nd Bhava in D-9. > > Regards > Rafal Gendarz > > sohamsa@ <sohamsa%40> .com, > sumanth > krishna <sanji_sumanth wrote: >> >> dear members >> >> i have doubt ,,while match making for Second marraige(once > divorced) should the 2nd UL has to be considred for match making or > 1st UL itself? >> >> >> >> hope i get answer >> >> >> thanks in advance >> >> sumanth >> >> >> >> >> http://mail. </> >> > > Send instant messages to your online friends > http://in.messenger. > > Stay connected with your friends even when away from PC. Link: > http://in.mobile./new/messenger/ > > > > _____ > > size=1 width= " 100% " align=center> > > > > India Answers: Share what you know. 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