Gayatri Mantra: Text with Very Bad Damana Vija MP3

July 2, 2006

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| om gurave namah |Dear Narasimha

I never said something is right or wrong. I just questioned you whether you had your fathers permission, who is the giver of the gayatri to you. Anybody else, whether a crow or a human being is just a NIMITTA and not a spiritual master. A person meets spiritual master during periods associated with the ninth house from navamsa lagna and circumstances helping or otherwise are also seen from the ninth house from karakamsa.

In your chart the karakamsa is Gemini and the ninth therefrom is Aquarius, so you can meet a spiritual master during Rahu antardasa in Moon dasa.

That he has advised you to do the Gayatri mantra using Rudraksha beads is something between you and him and even thought you mentioned this to me, I never commented on it. try to read more about the types of beads and mantra.

I have persoanlly never ever asked anyone to do Gayatri except when they have to be told so due to their charts indicating delay in children. Even then I have advised them to go and seek the mantra properly through a proper initiation, if they do not have one already.

We have different views in this matter and that is fine including the use of malas for Gayatri but I have never commented on this before this moment and even now I am only asking you to read for yourself.

I have no objection to your sharing the mantra as written and this is a very good thing to do. There is something very very wrong in 'humming the mantra' as then you are actually doing the mantra with the DAMANA VIJA and this is very bad. It would have been much better and correct if you had actually sung the mantra (in whatever intonation you think is right or in whatever manner you feel is correct) and put it in the web or given to others.

Respect the mantra please and I am also lodging this wrong teaching protest against your spiritual teacher as well.

As regards my doing the Gayatri, if you do not know anything about it then you should read my webpages. People credit me with having transformed the world of Jyotish in 10 years where more than 100,000 astrologers (including yourself and your spiritual master, whether you admit it or not) are doing Jyotish at a different level altogether. The entire Jyotish level consciousness of the world has been transformed.

And don;t you know what is that power by which this was achieved? I thought every student of mine knows that. It was the one mantra that my Gurudev did all the time and that is what is my strength if there is any - the Gayatri Mantra.

And that is why the name of the group is SOHAMSA.Best wishes and warm regards,Sanjay RathPersonal: WebPages â— Rathâ€™s Rhapsody SJC WebPages: Sri Jagannath Center â— SJCERC â— JIVAPublications: The Jyotish Digest â— Sagittarius Publications----

sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of Narasimha P.V.R. RaoSunday, July 02, 2006 9:18 AMsohamsa Subject: Re: Gayatri Mantra: Text with Intonation and MP3

Dear Sanjay,

Our views on mantra and initiation are different. But it does not really matter.

When I was in India this year, my father has seen me give the Gayatri mantra in written form with intonation notation (like the JPG I sent to the lists) to various people and then hum it for them to get a hang of the intonation.

My father did not have any objection to my approach and was in fact pleased. Moreover, he never taught me against reading mantras loud. The point about vaikhari reducing efficacy was the teaching of my spiritual guru.

Before doing the same thing on a larger scale and sharing the humming with some , I wanted to get my spiritual guru's advice also, as he is the one who opened me to Gayatri fully. I got his nod and made the post with JPG and MP3.

So both my father and my spiritual guru are aware of my approach and have no problem. Still, I could be wrong. If anybody thinks I committed a mistake by sharing the humming MP3 or by sending the JPEG of the scanned page, kindly leave me to face the consequences and make sure that you do not repeat my mistake. OTOH, if you find it useful, please use it to correct your reading and do a few malas everyday and see for yourself if it makes a difference in your spiritual pursuit!!

BTW, I humbly suggest that BK being Surya and father or father's brother initiating in Gayatri is a coincidence in our two charts. My brother also was initiated by my father, but BK is Jupiter. In fact, father initiates into Gayatri for most Hindus. You can't expect Sun to be BK or associate with BK in all charts.

When I started doing a few malas of Gayatri everyday with the correct intonation under the guidance of my spiritual guru, using the Rudraksha mala sent by him, Jupiter was transiting exactly over my natal lagna. When I made the final adjustment based on the advice of my spiritual guru when he heard me, Sun was exactly over my natal lagna, with Moon and Ketu nearby, and Jupiter had just risen. Of course, I am using the word "heard" very loosely here, to cover the "hearing" of sound vibrations made at subtler levels than vaikhari also. After all, I and my guru were sitting with eyes closed and I was chanting the mantra without moving my lips and without any audible sound, when he made an observation and suggested an adjustment. Thus, the word "heard" is used in a subtler sense here.

Sarvam SreeKrishnaarpanamastu,

Narasimha

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------------------------------- > | om gurave namah |> Dear Narasimha> > That is not right. There cannot be multiple initiations for one mantra. When> the mantra is given it is like a seed and will rise at the right time due to> a trigger. So your present guru has only triggered it and for this he does> deserve credit. Do you think you could have had this during Rahu antardasa?> Note that your bhratrkaraka is Surya so the Gayatri mantra has come throught> your father. In my case it was fathers brother as BK is also Surya.> > Your Vimsottari Dasa (started from Moon):> > Merc MD: 1994-12-30 - 2011-12-30> > Antardasas in this MD:> > Merc: 1994-12-30 - 1997-05-26> Ket: 1997-05-26 - 1998-05-23> Ven: 1998-05-23 - 2001-03-23> Sun: 2001-03-23 - 2002-01-28> Moon: 2002-01-28 - 2003-06-30> Mars: 2003-06-30 - 2004-06-26> Rah: 2004-06-26 - 2007-01-14> Jup: 2007-01-14 - 2009-04-19> Sat: 2009-04-19 - 2011-12-30> > Best wishes and warm regards,> Sanjay Rath> > Personal: <http://srath.com/blog/> WebPages Â¡Ã¼ <http://srath.com/blog/>> RathÂ¡Ã‡s Rhapsody> SJC WebPages: <http://.org/> Sri Jagannath Center Â¡Ã¼> <http://sjcerc.com/> SJCERC Â¡Ã¼ <http://jiva.us/> JIVA> Publications: <http://thejyotishdigest.com/> The Jyotish Digest Â¡Ã¼> <http://sagittariuspublications.com/> Sagittarius Publications> ----> > > > > _____> > sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of> Narasimha P.V.R. Rao> Saturday, July 01, 2006 3:59 AM> sohamsa > Re: Gayatri Mantra: Text with Intonation and MP3> > > > > > Dear Sanjay,> > Yes, my father originally initiated me into the Gayatri. For most Hindus,> father initiates into the Gayatri.> > But, I did not know the correct swara, I did not read several malas of it> everyday and the prefixes etc also were slightly different. My spiritual> guru who has been guiding me for a few years was the one who intiated me> into the Gayatri mantra as I practice it now. It is with his blessings that> I have shared the humming and saying what I am saying.> > My father is aware of the changes I have made in my Gayatri reading and is> quite pleased.> > Unfortunately, I cannot share the dates.> > If anybody considers what I did to be wrong, I humbly suggest to them that> they should leave the consequences to me and just not repeat my mistake. On> the other hand, if anybody finds the JPEG and MP3 I shared to be useful, I> humbly suggest that they should benefit from it.> > Sarvam SreeKrishnaarpanamastu,> Narasimha> > > | om gurave namah |> > Dear Narasimha> >> > Who initiated you into the Gayatri? Was it not your father? So did you> take> > your father's permission to do this and say what you are saying? Can we> have> > the date of your initiation into the gayatri if you have that?> > Best wishes and warm regards,> > Sanjay Rath

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July 2, 2006

Dear Sanjay,

> I just questioned you whether you had your fathers permission,

> who is the giver of the gayatri to you. Anybody else, whether a

> crow or a human being is just a NIMITTA and not a spiritual master.

It will be appropriate to trust a person to know his spiritual master. One will be ill-advised to go to Swami Vivekananda or Swami Abhedanda or Swami Akhandananda and tell him that Ramakrishna Paramahamsa is not his spiritual master because Gayatri was first given by someone else!

In fact, my spiritual guru does consider himself to be just a nimitta. But that is his humility.

If you say everyone who guides after the first giving of Gayatri is "just a NIMITTA", one can consider even the giver of first Gayatri to be a nimitta. At one level, everything IS a nimitta. But we normally don't speak at that level.

> I have no objection to your sharing the mantra as written and this is

> a very good thing to do. There is something very very wrong in

> 'humming the mantra' as then you are actually doing the mantra with

> the DAMANA VIJA and this is very bad. It would have been much

> better and correct if you had actually sung the mantra (in whatever

> intonation you think is right or in whatever manner you feel is

> correct) and put it in the web or given to others.> > Respect the mantra please and I am also lodging this wrong

> teaching protest against your spiritual teacher as well.

I will pass on your protest to him.

BTW, my comments on trying out Gayatri with the intonation I gave (which is not really mine, but given in Rigveda) were not directed at you specifically. They are generally directed at those who were taught Gayatri but either do not know the correct intonation or do not do it regularly. Those comments may not be applicable to you.

Sarvam SreeKrishnaarpanamastu,

Narasimha

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> | om gurave namah |> Dear Narasimha> > I never said something is right or wrong. I just questioned you whether you had your fathers permission, who is the giver of the gayatri to you. Anybody else, whether a crow or a human being is just a NIMITTA and not a spiritual master. A person meets spiritual master during periods associated with the ninth house from navamsa lagna and circumstances helping or otherwise are also seen from the ninth house from karakamsa.> > In your chart the karakamsa is Gemini and the ninth therefrom is Aquarius, so you can meet a spiritual master during Rahu antardasa in Moon dasa.> > That he has advised you to do the Gayatri mantra using Rudraksha beads is something between you and him and even thought you mentioned this to me, I never commented on it. try to read more about the types of beads and mantra.> > I have persoanlly never ever asked anyone to do Gayatri except when they have to be told so due to their charts indicating delay in children. Even then I have advised them to go and seek the mantra properly through a proper initiation, if they do not have one already.> > We have different views in this matter and that is fine including the use of malas for Gayatri but I have never commented on this before this moment and even now I am only asking you to read for yourself.> > I have no objection to your sharing the mantra as written and this is a very good thing to do. There is something very very wrong in 'humming the mantra' as then you are actually doing the mantra with the DAMANA VIJA and this is very bad. It would have been much better and correct if you had actually sung the mantra (in whatever intonation you think is right or in whatever manner you feel is correct) and put it in the web or given to others.> > Respect the mantra please and I am also lodging this wrong teaching protest against your spiritual teacher as well. > > As regards my doing the Gayatri, if you do not know anything about it then you should read my webpages. People credit me with having transformed the world of Jyotish in 10 years where more than 100,000 astrologers (including yourself and your spiritual master, whether you admit it or not) are doing Jyotish at a different level altogether. The entire Jyotish level consciousness of the world has been transformed. > > And don;t you know what is that power by which this was achieved? I thought every student of mine knows that. It was the one mantra that my Gurudev did all the time and that is what is my strength if there is any - the Gayatri Mantra.> > And that is why the name of the group is SOHAMSA.> Best wishes and warm regards,> Sanjay Rath

July 2, 2006

| om gurave namah |Dear Narasimha

You are again assuming things that the Gayatri diksha alone is the one thing that can give moksha. That is wrong and hence this statement. The giver of the Gayatri is one and most important Guru and this is given in every lineage by the parents or family among the brahmins.

That example you give is quite off the mark. Ramakrishna did not get the Gayatri from Totapuri Maharaj but got it at a much younger age. He may have got the sanyaasa Gayatri form him which is different. In fact there are so many types of Gayatri's. So do not try to divert the point by saying that Abhedananda did not know his spiritual master. ...and please do not compare Thakur to your new spiritual master. You will do all of us a big favor by that.

I continue to state that you have done something very wrong by humming the mantra and if you want to put it in the web or in any media you should have chanted it and put it there as you did earlier with the mrityunjaya mantra. Rest is your problem.

Also try to learn about the use of malas with the Gayatri mantra (savitur gayatri to be precise).

To all in the lists,

Also so that people may not be shocked any further by your statements, there is no obstruction to reciting the Gayatri as given in the rig veda. Please go ahead and do this. Don't listen to all this medieval brahminism about right and wrong ways to do the gayatri. None was born an expert and I am pretty sure that the temples in India have remained as pure if not pure till date due to the loud chanting of the mantras.

if you want to her it loudly or in any manner, please go ahead and hear it. If gayatri was played in all government offices in India at least in a low volume, corruption would come down to nil. Rhoda I hope that answers your query.

Do mantras as advised by your guru and that will depend on your own spiritual development. Mantras must be done loudly initially to become one with the mantra devata at the physical level. Thereafter it will go inwards naturally.

Please pass this on to all lists where this was circulated.

Best wishes and warm regards,Sanjay RathPersonal: WebPages ¡ü Rath¡Çs Rhapsody SJC WebPages: Sri Jagannath Center ¡ü SJCERC ¡ü JIVAPublications: The Jyotish Digest ¡ü Sagittarius Publications----

sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of Narasimha P.V.R. RaoSunday, July 02, 2006 10:15 PMsohamsa Subject: Re: Gayatri Mantra: Text with Very Bad Damana Vija MP3