Guest guest Posted June 26, 2006 Report Share Posted June 26, 2006 Namaste friends, I am enclosing the Rigvedic Savitri Gayatri mantra below. It has swara (intonation notation) also. This is a photo I took of a page in a book of Vedic chants ("Mantra Pushpam") published by Ramakrishna Mutt. I hope the picture is not removed from the mail by . If it is omitted, please download from http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/mantras/sgayatri.jpg What is in the picture above ("tatsavitur...prachodayaat") is the actual Gayatri mantra in Rigveda. We add some things at the beginning and at the end. The way I was taught by my guru is this: (1) Say "Om BhoorBhuvasSuvah" ONCE at the beginning (if you were initialized thus by a guru. Else, directly go to step 2). (2) Then say "Om", followed by the actual Gayatri mantra (given in the enclosed picture) and again "Om". (3) Keep repeating the sequence in (2) as many times as you want (e.g. 1,080 times or 108 times). Swami Vivekananda, in his book "Raja Yoga", advised to add "Om" at the beginning and at the end of Gayatri mantra. This is consistent with what I wrote in (2) above. Even if you were taught with "Om BhoorbhuvasSuvah", my advice is to say it only once and to repeat "Om ...Gayatri mantra... Om" only. Swami Vivekananda advised to do it with Paranayama - one Gayatri during pooraka (inhalation), one Gayatri during kumbhaka (holding) and one Gayatri during rechaka (exhalation). To start with, it may be a good idea to omit kumbhaka and do two Gayatris per one breathing cycle. In fact, it may be easy if you don't tie chanting with pranayama at all when you start out. * * * As I said earlier, I cannot pronounce Gayatri mantra loud and give mp3 as requested by some people. However, I have permission to hum it (without the actual text, but with the right intonation) and upload the mp3. If you read the text in the enclosed picture as you listen to the humming, the ups and downs (and the basic tune) should become clearer. Please listen to the humming at: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/mantras/sgayatri.mp3 Sarvam SreeKrishnaarpanamastu, Narasimha ------------------------------- Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org ------------------------------- > || Om Gurave Namah :: Om Namo Narayanaya ||> My understanding is:> > "OM" has to be prefixed before ALL mantras from VEDAS.> > Sanjay ji says that "Bhur Bhuvah Swaha" can be added only by those who have> been initiated.> > And, yes, Rigveda mentions only from "Tat savitur...." onwards.> > Narsimha ji may correct us.> > With best regards,> > Shailesh C Chadha > > ----> > sohamsa > 06/23/06 12:53:07> sohamsa > Re: Gayatri> > II Hare Rama Krsn II> Dear Paul,> This is what I've heard Sanjayji say in class.....> What is given in Rig Veda is > Tat Savitur Varenyam> Bhargo Devasya Dhimahi> Dhiyo Yo Nah Prachodayat> (without Om bhur bhuvah svah)> And this anyone can do. > If one is initiated, then one can put 'Om' in the beginning.> > I hope I have heard correctly.....> Regards,> Divya> sohamsa , "paul_timecharts" <navagrahas@> wrote:> >> > Dear Hari> > > > What is the Rig Veda Gayatri that Sanjay recomends.> > > > Is this correct:> > > > Bhur Bhuvah Svah> > Tat Savitur Varenyam> > Bhargo Devasya Dhimahi> > Dhiyo Yo Nah Prachodayat> > > > Yours Faithfully,> > Paul Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 30, 2006 Report Share Posted June 30, 2006 Dear Pandit Arjun ji, > the gayatri mantra as is known to the world today is "invented" by > a non-brahmin i.e. viswamitra who was a kshatriya who did several Well-said, but a small correction. Viswamitra did not "invent" it. We believe that Veda mantras are not invented by anyone. They are always there and are revealed to rishis. > however, this > mantra is not prohibited to be speaken out loudly nor was restricted > only to brahmins nor any pre-requisites laid down before attempting > to recite this. I completely agree that this mantra is not restricted to Brahmanas. In fact, one does not become a "Brahmana" just by being born to parents who are supposedly Brahmanas. On the other hand, if a person born in a supposedly lowly caste reads a few malas of Gayatri mantra with the correct intonation everyday, he WILL eventually become a Brahmana. He WILL slowly develop all the qualities attributed to a Brahmana. If one reads 10 malas (or even 2-3 malas) of Gayatri mantra everyday with the *correct intonation*, definitely one's life is transformed and spiritual progress comes very fast to him/her. One becomes a true Brahmana. > i have been recommending various people of all religions to recite > gayatri mantra without any restrictions or fear. Why should there be fear? If you have a mantra that can be abused, you should be careful in spreading it. A mantra that opens the internal eyes and slowly awakens one to the knowledge of Atman (soul - true self) has no possible abuse. Even if a rogue starts reading it, he/she is only transformed into a saint. What's there to fear then? Of course, one possible concern is that reading many malas of Gayatri everyday with perfect intonation is almost guaranteed to awaken one's Kundalini shakti (latent energy of self-identification that can bond one to a particular concept of self or also unlimit one when it rises). It can be extremely tough when Kundalini is crossing Swadhishthana and it can throw some challenges that many people fail in. Although one whose Kundalini is awakened through other ways can get stuck there and get into problems, I feel that Gayatri mantra prepares one well. > the objective of the mantra itself is to praise the light and invoke > the light and dispel the darkness. at least i will not obfuscate > this mantra itself by putting it into dark, for it is the mantra > made for all human beings by king viswamitra, not limited to few > brahmins. Absolutely. Unfortunately, we are living in Kali yuga and Kali is only getting denser and denser. If a rishi takes birth in these times, even he may have to struggle to find the correct direction. False knowledge, corrupt knowledge and illusions are found everywhere. More than 99% people who are born in spiritual families and are taught Gayatri mantra do not chant it everyday and don't even know how to pronounce it perfectly. It's a terrible situation and you can expect it to only get worse. Who knows if you will get moksha or will have to come back to this earth after, say, 100 or 300 years? Imagine how earth will be then, if some brakes are not applied on Kali every now and then! If you light a small lamp in some small corner of the world while you are here, you yourself may benefit from that lamp a few hundred years later when you come back! That's why I honestly don't feel that I am doing any favor to anybody by sharing what I know. I am only helping myself! Dear Prabodh ji, > I really dont want to be misunderstood but cant resist asking, why > are you doing this? Your tradition does not allow you to recite > Gayatri(loudly in public ). Possibly in your tradition concept of > GuruMukha is practiced.So lets respect your tradition. Now with this > humming you have almost given correct(according to your tradition) > way of recitation of Gayatri. So your intention in *humming*(and > making it public) was clearly to let everybody know correct way of > reciting Gayatri. Does your tradition allow this? What I maen to say > is that your Sukshama(intention,desire) was against your tradition > and your Sthula(Humming) was not exactly against your tradition. > What will happen if tomorrow Sthula goes against tradition but > Sukshma remains with tradition! I specifically took my guru's permission to record the humming of the mantra. That is why it took a few days. I never had a problem in letting "everybody know correct way of reciting Gayatri". The issue for me or my tradition was never secrecy. As I said, what stopped me was the belief that saying a mantra with vaikhari robs it of some of its power. I don't want/need any results from any mantra, but I do want (and did get) some results from Gayatri mantra. So I want to continue to follow the teachings of tradition to maintain its efficacy. But the intention was not to hide it or make it difficult for people. Sarvam SreeKrishnaarpanamastu, Narasimha ------------------------------- Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org ------------------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 30, 2006 Report Share Posted June 30, 2006 Narasimha, If the mantras loose their power when chanted loudly, why do we have priests in the temples chanting these mantras loudly (and sometimes over the loudspeakers (in India, especially)). Why do we call priests to our homes for Satya Narayan Katha, and other pujas. I am confused, or maybe I don't understand it. Can you please help. SG sohamsa , " Narasimha P.V.R. Rao " <pvr wrote: > > Dear Pandit Arjun ji, > > > the gayatri mantra as is known to the world today is " invented " by > > a non-brahmin i.e. viswamitra who was a kshatriya who did several > > Well-said, but a small correction. Viswamitra did not " invent " it. We believe that Veda mantras are not invented by anyone. They are always there and are revealed to rishis. > > > however, this > > mantra is not prohibited to be speaken out loudly nor was restricted > > only to brahmins nor any pre-requisites laid down before attempting > > to recite this. > > I completely agree that this mantra is not restricted to Brahmanas. In fact, one does not become a " Brahmana " just by being born to parents who are supposedly Brahmanas. On the other hand, if a person born in a supposedly lowly caste reads a few malas of Gayatri mantra with the correct intonation everyday, he WILL eventually become a Brahmana. He WILL slowly develop all the qualities attributed to a Brahmana. > > If one reads 10 malas (or even 2-3 malas) of Gayatri mantra everyday with the *correct intonation*, definitely one's life is transformed and spiritual progress comes very fast to him/her. One becomes a true Brahmana. > > > i have been recommending various people of all religions to recite > > gayatri mantra without any restrictions or fear. > > Why should there be fear? If you have a mantra that can be abused, you should be careful in spreading it. A mantra that opens the internal eyes and slowly awakens one to the knowledge of Atman (soul - true self) has no possible abuse. Even if a rogue starts reading it, he/she is only transformed into a saint. What's there to fear then? > > Of course, one possible concern is that reading many malas of Gayatri everyday with perfect intonation is almost guaranteed to awaken one's Kundalini shakti (latent energy of self-identification that can bond one to a particular concept of self or also unlimit one when it rises). It can be extremely tough when Kundalini is crossing Swadhishthana and it can throw some challenges that many people fail in. Although one whose Kundalini is awakened through other ways can get stuck there and get into problems, I feel that Gayatri mantra prepares one well. > > > the objective of the mantra itself is to praise the light and invoke > > the light and dispel the darkness. at least i will not obfuscate > > this mantra itself by putting it into dark, for it is the mantra > > made for all human beings by king viswamitra, not limited to few > > brahmins. > > Absolutely. > > Unfortunately, we are living in Kali yuga and Kali is only getting denser and denser. If a rishi takes birth in these times, even he may have to struggle to find the correct direction. False knowledge, corrupt knowledge and illusions are found everywhere. More than 99% people who are born in spiritual families and are taught Gayatri mantra do not chant it everyday and don't even know how to pronounce it perfectly. It's a terrible situation and you can expect it to only get worse. > > Who knows if you will get moksha or will have to come back to this earth after, say, 100 or 300 years? Imagine how earth will be then, if some brakes are not applied on Kali every now and then! > > If you light a small lamp in some small corner of the world while you are here, you yourself may benefit from that lamp a few hundred years later when you come back! > > That's why I honestly don't feel that I am doing any favor to anybody by sharing what I know. I am only helping myself! > > Dear Prabodh ji, > > > I really dont want to be misunderstood but cant resist asking, why > > are you doing this? Your tradition does not allow you to recite > > Gayatri(loudly in public ). Possibly in your tradition concept of > > GuruMukha is practiced.So lets respect your tradition. Now with this > > humming you have almost given correct(according to your tradition) > > way of recitation of Gayatri. So your intention in *humming*(and > > making it public) was clearly to let everybody know correct way of > > reciting Gayatri. Does your tradition allow this? What I maen to say > > is that your Sukshama(intention,desire) was against your tradition > > and your Sthula(Humming) was not exactly against your tradition. > > What will happen if tomorrow Sthula goes against tradition but > > Sukshma remains with tradition! > > I specifically took my guru's permission to record the humming of the mantra. That is why it took a few days. > > I never had a problem in letting " everybody know correct way of reciting Gayatri " . The issue for me or my tradition was never secrecy. As I said, what stopped me was the belief that saying a mantra with vaikhari robs it of some of its power. I don't want/need any results from any mantra, but I do want (and did get) some results from Gayatri mantra. So I want to continue to follow the teachings of tradition to maintain its efficacy. But the intention was not to hide it or make it difficult for people. > > Sarvam SreeKrishnaarpanamastu, > Narasimha > ------------------------------- > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org > ------------------------------- > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 30, 2006 Report Share Posted June 30, 2006 | om gurave namah |Dear Narasimha Who initiated you into the Gayatri? Was it not your father? So did you take your father's permission to do this and say what you are saying? Can we have the date of your initiation into the gayatri if you have that?Best wishes and warm regards,Sanjay RathPersonal: WebPages ¡ü Rath¡Çs Rhapsody SJC WebPages: Sri Jagannath Center ¡ü SJCERC ¡ü JIVAPublications: The Jyotish Digest ¡ü Sagittarius Publications---- avast! Antivirus: Outbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 0626-3, 06/29/2006Tested on: 6/30/2006 11:01:54 PMavast! - copyright © 1988-2006 ALWIL Software. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 1, 2006 Report Share Posted July 1, 2006 Dear Sanjay, Yes, my father originally initiated me into the Gayatri. For most Hindus, father initiates into the Gayatri. But, I did not know the correct swara, I did not read several malas of it everyday and the prefixes etc also were slightly different. My spiritual guru who has been guiding me for a few years was the one who intiated me into the Gayatri mantra as I practice it now. It is with his blessings that I have shared the humming and saying what I am saying. My father is aware of the changes I have made in my Gayatri reading and is quite pleased. Unfortunately, I cannot share the dates. If anybody considers what I did to be wrong, I humbly suggest to them that they should leave the consequences to me and just not repeat my mistake. On the other hand, if anybody finds the JPEG and MP3 I shared to be useful, I humbly suggest that they should benefit from it. Sarvam SreeKrishnaarpanamastu, Narasimha ------------------------------- Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org ------------------------------- > | om gurave namah |> Dear Narasimha> > Who initiated you into the Gayatri? Was it not your father? So did you take> your father's permission to do this and say what you are saying? Can we have> the date of your initiation into the gayatri if you have that?> Best wishes and warm regards,> Sanjay Rath Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 1, 2006 Report Share Posted July 1, 2006 | om gurave namah |Dear Narasimha That is not right. There cannot be multiple initiations for one mantra. When the mantra is given it is like a seed and will rise at the right time due to a trigger. So your present guru has only triggered it and for this he does deserve credit. Do you think you could have had this during Rahu antardasa? Note that your bhratrkaraka is Surya so the Gayatri mantra has come throught your father. In my case it was fathers brother as BK is also Surya. Your Vimsottari Dasa (started from Moon): Merc MD: 1994-12-30 - 2011-12-30 Antardasas in this MD: Merc: 1994-12-30 - 1997-05-26 Ket: 1997-05-26 - 1998-05-23 Ven: 1998-05-23 - 2001-03-23 Sun: 2001-03-23 - 2002-01-28 Moon: 2002-01-28 - 2003-06-30 Mars: 2003-06-30 - 2004-06-26 Rah: 2004-06-26 - 2007-01-14 Jup: 2007-01-14 - 2009-04-19 Sat: 2009-04-19 - 2011-12-30 Best wishes and warm regards,Sanjay RathPersonal: WebPages ¡ü Rath¡Çs Rhapsody SJC WebPages: Sri Jagannath Center ¡ü SJCERC ¡ü JIVAPublications: The Jyotish Digest ¡ü Sagittarius Publications---- sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of Narasimha P.V.R. RaoSaturday, July 01, 2006 3:59 AMsohamsa Subject: Re: Gayatri Mantra: Text with Intonation and MP3 Dear Sanjay, Yes, my father originally initiated me into the Gayatri. For most Hindus, father initiates into the Gayatri. But, I did not know the correct swara, I did not read several malas of it everyday and the prefixes etc also were slightly different. My spiritual guru who has been guiding me for a few years was the one who intiated me into the Gayatri mantra as I practice it now. It is with his blessings that I have shared the humming and saying what I am saying. My father is aware of the changes I have made in my Gayatri reading and is quite pleased. Unfortunately, I cannot share the dates. If anybody considers what I did to be wrong, I humbly suggest to them that they should leave the consequences to me and just not repeat my mistake. On the other hand, if anybody finds the JPEG and MP3 I shared to be useful, I humbly suggest that they should benefit from it. Sarvam SreeKrishnaarpanamastu, Narasimha ------------------------------- Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org ------------------------------- > | om gurave namah |> Dear Narasimha> > Who initiated you into the Gayatri? Was it not your father? So did you take> your father's permission to do this and say what you are saying? Can we have> the date of your initiation into the gayatri if you have that?> Best wishes and warm regards,> Sanjay Rath avast! Antivirus: Outbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 0626-3, 06/29/2006Tested on: 7/1/2006 9:45:43 AMavast! - copyright © 1988-2006 ALWIL Software. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 2, 2006 Report Share Posted July 2, 2006 Dear Sanjay, Our views on mantra and initiation are different. But it does not really matter. When I was in India this year, my father has seen me give the Gayatri mantra in written form with intonation notation (like the JPG I sent to the lists) to various people and then hum it for them to get a hang of the intonation. My father did not have any objection to my approach and was in fact pleased. Moreover, he never taught me against reading mantras loud. The point about vaikhari reducing efficacy was the teaching of my spiritual guru. Before doing the same thing on a larger scale and sharing the humming with some , I wanted to get my spiritual guru's advice also, as he is the one who opened me to Gayatri fully. I got his nod and made the post with JPG and MP3. So both my father and my spiritual guru are aware of my approach and have no problem. Still, I could be wrong. If anybody thinks I committed a mistake by sharing the humming MP3 or by sending the JPEG of the scanned page, kindly leave me to face the consequences and make sure that you do not repeat my mistake. OTOH, if you find it useful, please use it to correct your reading and do a few malas everyday and see for yourself if it makes a difference in your spiritual pursuit!! BTW, I humbly suggest that BK being Surya and father or father's brother initiating in Gayatri is a coincidence in our two charts. My brother also was initiated by my father, but BK is Jupiter. In fact, father initiates into Gayatri for most Hindus. You can't expect Sun to be BK or associate with BK in all charts. When I started doing a few malas of Gayatri everyday with the correct intonation under the guidance of my spiritual guru, using the Rudraksha mala sent by him, Jupiter was transiting exactly over my natal lagna. When I made the final adjustment based on the advice of my spiritual guru when he heard me, Sun was exactly over my natal lagna, with Moon and Ketu nearby, and Jupiter had just risen. Of course, I am using the word "heard" very loosely here, to cover the "hearing" of sound vibrations made at subtler levels than vaikhari also. After all, I and my guru were sitting with eyes closed and I was chanting the mantra without moving my lips and without any audible sound, when he made an observation and suggested an adjustment. Thus, the word "heard" is used in a subtler sense here. Sarvam SreeKrishnaarpanamastu, Narasimha ------------------------------- Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org ------------------------------- > | om gurave namah |> Dear Narasimha> > That is not right. There cannot be multiple initiations for one mantra. When> the mantra is given it is like a seed and will rise at the right time due to> a trigger. So your present guru has only triggered it and for this he does> deserve credit. Do you think you could have had this during Rahu antardasa?> Note that your bhratrkaraka is Surya so the Gayatri mantra has come throught> your father. In my case it was fathers brother as BK is also Surya.> > Your Vimsottari Dasa (started from Moon):> > Merc MD: 1994-12-30 - 2011-12-30> > Antardasas in this MD:> > Merc: 1994-12-30 - 1997-05-26> Ket: 1997-05-26 - 1998-05-23> Ven: 1998-05-23 - 2001-03-23> Sun: 2001-03-23 - 2002-01-28> Moon: 2002-01-28 - 2003-06-30> Mars: 2003-06-30 - 2004-06-26> Rah: 2004-06-26 - 2007-01-14> Jup: 2007-01-14 - 2009-04-19> Sat: 2009-04-19 - 2011-12-30> > Best wishes and warm regards,> Sanjay Rath> > Personal: <http://srath.com/blog/> WebPages ¡ü <http://srath.com/blog/>> Rath¡Çs Rhapsody> SJC WebPages: <http://.org/> Sri Jagannath Center ¡ü> <http://sjcerc.com/> SJCERC ¡ü <http://jiva.us/> JIVA> Publications: <http://thejyotishdigest.com/> The Jyotish Digest ¡ü> <http://sagittariuspublications.com/> Sagittarius Publications> ----> > > > > _____> > sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of> Narasimha P.V.R. Rao> Saturday, July 01, 2006 3:59 AM> sohamsa > Re: Gayatri Mantra: Text with Intonation and MP3> > > > > > Dear Sanjay,> > Yes, my father originally initiated me into the Gayatri. For most Hindus,> father initiates into the Gayatri.> > But, I did not know the correct swara, I did not read several malas of it> everyday and the prefixes etc also were slightly different. My spiritual> guru who has been guiding me for a few years was the one who intiated me> into the Gayatri mantra as I practice it now. It is with his blessings that> I have shared the humming and saying what I am saying.> > My father is aware of the changes I have made in my Gayatri reading and is> quite pleased.> > Unfortunately, I cannot share the dates.> > If anybody considers what I did to be wrong, I humbly suggest to them that> they should leave the consequences to me and just not repeat my mistake. On> the other hand, if anybody finds the JPEG and MP3 I shared to be useful, I> humbly suggest that they should benefit from it.> > Sarvam SreeKrishnaarpanamastu,> Narasimha> > > | om gurave namah |> > Dear Narasimha> >> > Who initiated you into the Gayatri? Was it not your father? So did you> take> > your father's permission to do this and say what you are saying? Can we> have> > the date of your initiation into the gayatri if you have that?> > Best wishes and warm regards,> > Sanjay Rath Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 2, 2006 Report Share Posted July 2, 2006 Dear SG, I did not say they "lose their power". The efficacy is *reduced*. One needs more sadhana to get the same amount of result. This is usually not an issue unless one wants siddhi in a mantra (which requires a tremendous amount of sadhana of the mantra). For example, I know a priest who got siddhi in a Shiva mantra (not panchakshari, but a mantra with tens of letters) after he read it 3 crore times (30 million times). The amount of sadhana needed for siddhi in a mantra may increase if it is chanted loud. When I perform Satya Narayana vratam, I too chant loudly the Vedic mantras of Varuna, Ganesha and other 4 rulers of the world (elements), 9 planets, their ruling and co-ruling deities and rulers of the ten directions. I chant Lakshmi's 108 names, Vishnu's 1000 names, Satya Narayana's 108 names, Vishnu kavacham, Narayana kavacham, Narayana Hridayam, Lakshmi Hridayam etc and my own creation Satyadevaashtakam. I read all these Vedic mantras and shlokas loud. It is not that I or others do not get any results from these loud chantings. However, it is limited. In any case, there are people who don't share my view. So I could be wrong. You do not have to accept my views! Sarvam SreeKrishnaarpanamastu, Narasimha ------------------------------- Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org ------------------------------- > Narasimha,> > If the mantras loose their power when chanted loudly, why do we have > priests in the temples chanting these mantras loudly (and sometimes > over the loudspeakers (in India, especially)). Why do we call > priests to our homes for Satya Narayan Katha, and other pujas. I am > confused, or maybe I don't understand it.> > Can you please help.> > SG> > sohamsa , "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" <pvr@> > wrote:> >> > Dear Pandit Arjun ji,> > > > > the gayatri mantra as is known to the world today is "invented" > by > > > a non-brahmin i.e. viswamitra who was a kshatriya who did > several > > > > Well-said, but a small correction. Viswamitra did not "invent" it. > We believe that Veda mantras are not invented by anyone. They are > always there and are revealed to rishis.> > > > > however, this > > > mantra is not prohibited to be speaken out loudly nor was > restricted > > > only to brahmins nor any pre-requisites laid down before > attempting > > > to recite this.> > > > I completely agree that this mantra is not restricted to Brahmanas. > In fact, one does not become a "Brahmana" just by being born to > parents who are supposedly Brahmanas. On the other hand, if a person > born in a supposedly lowly caste reads a few malas of Gayatri mantra > with the correct intonation everyday, he WILL eventually become a > Brahmana. He WILL slowly develop all the qualities attributed to a > Brahmana.> > > > If one reads 10 malas (or even 2-3 malas) of Gayatri mantra > everyday with the *correct intonation*, definitely one's life is > transformed and spiritual progress comes very fast to him/her. One > becomes a true Brahmana.> > > > > i have been recommending various people of all religions to > recite > > > gayatri mantra without any restrictions or fear.> > > > Why should there be fear? If you have a mantra that can be abused, > you should be careful in spreading it. A mantra that opens the > internal eyes and slowly awakens one to the knowledge of Atman (soul -> true self) has no possible abuse. Even if a rogue starts reading it, > he/she is only transformed into a saint. What's there to fear then?> > > > Of course, one possible concern is that reading many malas of > Gayatri everyday with perfect intonation is almost guaranteed to > awaken one's Kundalini shakti (latent energy of self-identification > that can bond one to a particular concept of self or also unlimit one > when it rises). It can be extremely tough when Kundalini is crossing > Swadhishthana and it can throw some challenges that many people fail > in. Although one whose Kundalini is awakened through other ways can > get stuck there and get into problems, I feel that Gayatri mantra > prepares one well.> > > > > the objective of the mantra itself is to praise the light and > invoke > > > the light and dispel the darkness. at least i will not obfuscate > > > this mantra itself by putting it into dark, for it is the mantra > > > made for all human beings by king viswamitra, not limited to few > > > brahmins.> > > > Absolutely.> > > > Unfortunately, we are living in Kali yuga and Kali is only getting > denser and denser. If a rishi takes birth in these times, even he may > have to struggle to find the correct direction. False knowledge, > corrupt knowledge and illusions are found everywhere. More than 99% > people who are born in spiritual families and are taught Gayatri > mantra do not chant it everyday and don't even know how to pronounce > it perfectly. It's a terrible situation and you can expect it to only > get worse.> > > > Who knows if you will get moksha or will have to come back to this > earth after, say, 100 or 300 years? Imagine how earth will be then, > if some brakes are not applied on Kali every now and then!> > > > If you light a small lamp in some small corner of the world while > you are here, you yourself may benefit from that lamp a few hundred > years later when you come back!> > > > That's why I honestly don't feel that I am doing any favor to > anybody by sharing what I know. I am only helping myself!> > > > Dear Prabodh ji,> > > > > I really dont want to be misunderstood but cant resist asking, > why > > > are you doing this? Your tradition does not allow you to recite > > > Gayatri(loudly in public ). Possibly in your tradition concept of > > > GuruMukha is practiced.So lets respect your tradition. Now with > this > > > humming you have almost given correct(according to your > tradition) > > > way of recitation of Gayatri. So your intention in *humming*(and > > > making it public) was clearly to let everybody know correct way > of > > > reciting Gayatri. Does your tradition allow this? What I maen to > say > > > is that your Sukshama(intention,desire) was against your > tradition > > > and your Sthula(Humming) was not exactly against your tradition. > > > What will happen if tomorrow Sthula goes against tradition but > > > Sukshma remains with tradition! > > > > I specifically took my guru's permission to record the humming of > the mantra. That is why it took a few days.> > > > I never had a problem in letting "everybody know correct way of > reciting Gayatri". The issue for me or my tradition was never > secrecy. As I said, what stopped me was the belief that saying a > mantra with vaikhari robs it of some of its power. I don't want/need > any results from any mantra, but I do want (and did get) some results > from Gayatri mantra. So I want to continue to follow the teachings of > tradition to maintain its efficacy. But the intention was not to hide > it or make it difficult for people.> > > > Sarvam SreeKrishnaarpanamastu,> > Narasimha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 2, 2006 Report Share Posted July 2, 2006 Dear Bhanu, The phala (fruits) we get is due to the karma (action/effort) we put in now PLUS the karma we are carrying from past lives. We often make the mistake of associating phala with current karma. The results I get are not the same as the results you will get. It depends on our past also. Thus, details of my personal sadhana are not so relevant/useful to you. Your sadhana may go 10 times faster and 10 times slower. All I can ask you to do is to use the picture I sent of the text and the humming I recorded and try to read it with that intonation (repeat "Om ...the mantra... Om"). Do 2-3 malas a day and see if it makes a difference in your spiritual pursuit after a few months. If you read it around the same time everyday (similar energy) and in the same place (deity is built there there as you chant) and maintain the maximum possible level of brahmacharya (sexual abstinence - remember that Narayana is described as "urdhvareta" in Narayana suktam), it will help greatly. The links to the text in Sanskrit with intonation notation and the humming MP3 are below: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/mantras/sgayatri.jpg http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/mantras/sgayatri.mp3 I cannot guide anyone. But, who knows, may be someone out there wants to guide you and may be he has inspired me to share the little I've been sharing during the navamsa transit of Jupiter and Ketu over my natal AK. Sarvam SreeKrishnaarpanamastu, Narasimha ------------------------------- Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org ------------------------------- > Dear Narasimha,> > Can u please elaborate on what kind of results you achieved from Gayatri Mantra. Also, how long did u practice this mantra and how many times in a day. > > If this answer is personal and u don't want to share please feel free to keep it with you. I will understand. I am really looking for a person who had attained results and who can guide me.> > Thank you for all the pointers.> > Regards> > > "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" <pvr wrote:> Dear Pandit Arjun ji,> > > the gayatri mantra as is known to the world today is "invented" by > > a non-brahmin i.e. viswamitra who was a kshatriya who did several > > Well-said, but a small correction. Viswamitra did not "invent" it. We believe that Veda mantras are not invented by anyone. They are always there and are revealed to rishis.> > > however, this > > mantra is not prohibited to be speaken out loudly nor was restricted > > only to brahmins nor any pre-requisites laid down before attempting > > to recite this.> > I completely agree that this mantra is not restricted to Brahmanas. In fact, one does not become a "Brahmana" just by being born to parents who are supposedly Brahmanas. On the other hand, if a person born in a supposedly lowly caste reads a few malas of Gayatri mantra with the correct intonation everyday, he WILL eventually become a Brahmana. He WILL slowly develop all the qualities attributed to a Brahmana.> > If one reads 10 malas (or even 2-3 malas) of Gayatri mantra everyday with the *correct intonation*, definitely one's life is transformed and spiritual progress comes very fast to him/her. One becomes a true Brahmana.> > > i have been recommending various people of all religions to recite > > gayatri mantra without any restrictions or fear.> > Why should there be fear? If you have a mantra that can be abused, you should be careful in spreading it. A mantra that opens the internal eyes and slowly awakens one to the knowledge of Atman (soul - true self) has no possible abuse. Even if a rogue starts reading it, he/she is only transformed into a saint. What's there to fear then?> > Of course, one possible concern is that reading many malas of Gayatri everyday with perfect intonation is almost guaranteed to awaken one's Kundalini shakti (latent energy of self-identification that can bond one to a particular concept of self or also unlimit one when it rises). It can be extremely tough when Kundalini is crossing Swadhishthana and it can throw some challenges that many people fail in. Although one whose Kundalini is awakened through other ways can get stuck there and get into problems, I feel that Gayatri mantra prepares one well.> > > the objective of the mantra itself is to praise the light and invoke > > the light and dispel the darkness. at least i will not obfuscate > > this mantra itself by putting it into dark, for it is the mantra > > made for all human beings by king viswamitra, not limited to few > > brahmins.> > Absolutely.> > Unfortunately, we are living in Kali yuga and Kali is only getting denser and denser. If a rishi takes birth in these times, even he may have to struggle to find the correct direction. False knowledge, corrupt knowledge and illusions are found everywhere. More than 99% people who are born in spiritual families and are taught Gayatri mantra do not chant it everyday and don't even know how to pronounce it perfectly. It's a terrible situation and you can expect it to only get worse.> > Who knows if you will get moksha or will have to come back to this earth after, say, 100 or 300 years? Imagine how earth will be then, if some brakes are not applied on Kali every now and then!> > If you light a small lamp in some small corner of the world while you are here, you yourself may benefit from that lamp a few hundred years later when you come back!> > That's why I honestly don't feel that I am doing any favor to anybody by sharing what I know. I am only helping myself!> > Dear Prabodh ji,> > > I really dont want to be misunderstood but cant resist asking, why > > are you doing this? Your tradition does not allow you to recite > > Gayatri(loudly in public ). Possibly in your tradition concept of > > GuruMukha is practiced.So lets respect your tradition. Now with this > > humming you have almost given correct(according to your tradition) > > way of recitation of Gayatri. So your intention in *humming*(and > > making it public) was clearly to let everybody know correct way of > > reciting Gayatri. Does your tradition allow this? What I maen to say > > is that your Sukshama(intention,desire) was against your tradition > > and your Sthula(Humming) was not exactly against your tradition. > > What will happen if tomorrow Sthula goes against tradition but > > Sukshma remains with tradition! > > I specifically took my guru's permission to record the humming of the mantra. That is why it took a few days.> > I never had a problem in letting "everybody know correct way of reciting Gayatri". The issue for me or my tradition was never secrecy. As I said, what stopped me was the belief that saying a mantra with vaikhari robs it of some of its power. I don't want/need any results from any mantra, but I do want (and did get) some results from Gayatri mantra. So I want to continue to follow the teachings of tradition to maintain its efficacy. But the intention was not to hide it or make it difficult for people.> > Sarvam SreeKrishnaarpanamastu,> Narasimha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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