Guest guest Posted June 24, 2006 Report Share Posted June 24, 2006 Dear all, Most of us know that dashavatars depict the evolution of life throuh ameoba to a full human. Let me please share some of my thoughts as each planet and sign also represent an avatar. The life has began billions of years ago as a spark from Oceans. This is depicted in our puranas in several places. I often talked about Vritra and Indra's fighting on a symbolism level and this is one of the symbolisms it holds. Vrtra means inertia, the inertia that has been there for ages, lifeless, actionless and utterly passive, so passive that there was no change in any aspect for ages. Indra, perhaps a star here, Red in color and big in size, has stuck this inertia of the seas, igniting a spark, the spark of life. Incidentally, Indra literally means ignition. This life, ignited by Divine will or by accident, has started to take a shape called a Cell. This cell became capable of independent existence and behold, of growing and populating. This is called amoeba. A fish is nothing but a great amoeba! This is symbolized in the first avatar. This avatar represents the Life Force and interestingly, the demon killed by the Lord in this incarnation is named Somaka- the laziness or Inertia! Thus, it symbolizes the beginning of life by having victory over the inertia that has been there for ages. Lord Krishna had been an avid worshipper of matsya avatar. At psychological level, this avatar represents the beginning of Intelligence and the eternal dilemma of man whether to be born or not. At spiritual level, it indicates the birth of the urge to seek of the Ultimate, as paraphrased by the famous first brahma sutra-` Once the Brahma jijnasa has taken place… " (athatho brahma jijnasa) Pisces, amongst signs, represents this avatar and fittingly, the spiritual graha, Ketu , represents this avatar. The Kurma symbolizes the survival and slow proliferation of life onto Land. The survival requires conformation to the nature laws and a discipline that is imposed by the Universe. The tortoise also represents imposing limits on its own self. Cancer, amongst signs and Saturn in the planets represent this avatar. It also indicates the responsibilities one carries in any role that one dons. At psychological level, it represents the development of Ideas and emotions. At spiritual level, it indicates the culmination of shraddha or deeksha , ie the deep determination and strength of ones decision to seek the Lord. I would post more on hearing from the group. regards, Kishore patnaik 98492 70729 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 25, 2006 Report Share Posted June 25, 2006 sohamsa , " kishore mohan " <kishorepatnaik09 wrote: > > Dear all, > > Most of us know that dashavatars depict the evolution of life throuh > ameoba to a full human. Let me please share some of my thoughts as > each planet and sign also represent an avatar. > > The life has began billions of years ago as a spark from Oceans. > This is depicted in our puranas in several places. > > I often talked about Vritra and Indra's fighting on a symbolism > level and this is one of the symbolisms it holds. Vrtra means > inertia, the inertia that has been there for ages, lifeless, > actionless and utterly passive, so passive that there was no change > in any aspect for ages. Indra, perhaps a star here, Red in color and > big in size, has stuck this inertia of the seas, igniting a spark, > the spark of life. Incidentally, Indra literally means ignition. > > This life, ignited by Divine will or by accident, has started to > take a shape called a Cell. This cell became capable of independent > existence and behold, of growing and populating. This is called > amoeba. > > A fish is nothing but a great amoeba! This is symbolized in the > first avatar. This avatar represents the Life Force and > interestingly, the demon killed by the Lord in this incarnation is > named Somaka- the laziness or Inertia! Thus, it symbolizes the > beginning of life by having victory over the inertia that has been > there for ages. > > Lord Krishna had been an avid worshipper of matsya avatar. > > At psychological level, this avatar represents the beginning of > Intelligence and the eternal dilemma of man whether to be born or > not. At spiritual level, it indicates the birth of the urge to seek > of the Ultimate, as paraphrased by the famous first brahma sutra-` > Once the Brahma jijnasa has taken place… " (athatho brahma jijnasa) > Pisces, amongst signs, represents this avatar and fittingly, the > spiritual graha, Ketu , represents this avatar. > > The Kurma symbolizes the survival and slow proliferation of life > onto Land. The survival requires conformation to the nature laws and > a discipline that is imposed by the Universe. The tortoise also > represents imposing limits on its own self. Cancer, amongst signs > and Saturn in the planets represent this avatar. It also indicates > the responsibilities one carries in any role that one dons. > > At psychological level, it represents the development of Ideas and > emotions. At spiritual level, it indicates the culmination of > shraddha or deeksha , ie the deep determination and strength of > ones decision to seek the Lord. > > > I would post more on hearing from the group. > > regards, > > Kishore patnaik > 98492 70729 I found some of your thoughts interesting. Can you substantiate this statement: >The life has began billions of years ago as a spark from Oceans. >This is depicted in our puranas in several places. This is actually contrary to Vedic thought and principal. The Vedas explain that Life comes from Life, Life does not evolve from dead matter. As Lord Krishna says in the Bhagavad Gita 7.5: Besides these, O mighty-armed Arjuna, there is another, superior energy of Mine, which comprises the living entities who are exploiting the resources of this material, inferior nature. Lord Krishna says here that the individual living entities are parts and parcels of Himself (Lord Krishna), the Supreme Spirit. You are taking as fact that life has evolved based on the opinions of a few " scientists " rather than researching from shastra. The summary of shastras can be found in Bhagavad Gita. And in that authoritative text Krishna says he brought into existence all different forms of life from his mind, 10.6. " The seven great sages and before them the four other great sages and the Manus [progenitors of mankind] come from Me, born from My mind, and all the living beings populating the various planets descend from them. " Sorry if bringing Bhagavad Gita is not in line with the topics in this discussion group but I found the comparison of divine avatars to follow atheistic philosophy somewhat offensive and misleading. Rather than trying to make divine shastras fit the opinions of mundane scientists, if you have faith in scriptures, you should explain how the current " discoveries " of scientists are already there from time immemorial in the Vedic scriptures. Thank you, Amala Gaura Dasa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 26, 2006 Report Share Posted June 26, 2006 Namaskar Amalji, Would you consider the beings that emerged from Sagar manthan as living? Thanks Souvik sohamsa , " amalagaura " <amalagaura.lists wrote: > > sohamsa , " kishore mohan " <kishorepatnaik09@> > wrote: > > > > Dear all, > > > > Most of us know that dashavatars depict the evolution of life throuh > > ameoba to a full human. Let me please share some of my thoughts as > > each planet and sign also represent an avatar. > > > > The life has began billions of years ago as a spark from Oceans. > > This is depicted in our puranas in several places. > > > > I often talked about Vritra and Indra's fighting on a symbolism > > level and this is one of the symbolisms it holds. Vrtra means > > inertia, the inertia that has been there for ages, lifeless, > > actionless and utterly passive, so passive that there was no change > > in any aspect for ages. Indra, perhaps a star here, Red in color and > > big in size, has stuck this inertia of the seas, igniting a spark, > > the spark of life. Incidentally, Indra literally means ignition. > > > > This life, ignited by Divine will or by accident, has started to > > take a shape called a Cell. This cell became capable of independent > > existence and behold, of growing and populating. This is called > > amoeba. > > > > A fish is nothing but a great amoeba! This is symbolized in the > > first avatar. This avatar represents the Life Force and > > interestingly, the demon killed by the Lord in this incarnation is > > named Somaka- the laziness or Inertia! Thus, it symbolizes the > > beginning of life by having victory over the inertia that has been > > there for ages. > > > > Lord Krishna had been an avid worshipper of matsya avatar. > > > > At psychological level, this avatar represents the beginning of > > Intelligence and the eternal dilemma of man whether to be born or > > not. At spiritual level, it indicates the birth of the urge to seek > > of the Ultimate, as paraphrased by the famous first brahma sutra- ` > > Once the Brahma jijnasa has taken place… " (athatho brahma jijnasa) > > Pisces, amongst signs, represents this avatar and fittingly, the > > spiritual graha, Ketu , represents this avatar. > > > > The Kurma symbolizes the survival and slow proliferation of life > > onto Land. The survival requires conformation to the nature laws and > > a discipline that is imposed by the Universe. The tortoise also > > represents imposing limits on its own self. Cancer, amongst signs > > and Saturn in the planets represent this avatar. It also indicates > > the responsibilities one carries in any role that one dons. > > > > At psychological level, it represents the development of Ideas and > > emotions. At spiritual level, it indicates the culmination of > > shraddha or deeksha , ie the deep determination and strength of > > ones decision to seek the Lord. > > > > > > I would post more on hearing from the group. > > > > regards, > > > > Kishore patnaik > > 98492 70729 > > I found some of your thoughts interesting. > > Can you substantiate this statement: > >The life has began billions of years ago as a spark from Oceans. > >This is depicted in our puranas in several places. > > This is actually contrary to Vedic thought and principal. The Vedas > explain that Life comes from Life, Life does not evolve from dead matter. > > As Lord Krishna says in the Bhagavad Gita 7.5: Besides these, O > mighty-armed Arjuna, there is another, superior energy of Mine, which > comprises the living entities who are exploiting the resources of this > material, inferior nature. > > Lord Krishna says here that the individual living entities are parts > and parcels of Himself (Lord Krishna), the Supreme Spirit. > > You are taking as fact that life has evolved based on the opinions of > a few " scientists " rather than researching from shastra. The summary > of shastras can be found in Bhagavad Gita. And in that authoritative > text Krishna says he brought into existence all different forms of > life from his mind, 10.6. > > " The seven great sages and before them the four other great sages and > the Manus [progenitors of mankind] come from Me, born from My mind, > and all the living beings populating the various planets descend from > them. " > > Sorry if bringing Bhagavad Gita is not in line with the topics in this > discussion group but I found the comparison of divine avatars to > follow atheistic philosophy somewhat offensive and misleading. > > Rather than trying to make divine shastras fit the opinions of mundane > scientists, if you have faith in scriptures, you should explain how > the current " discoveries " of scientists are already there from time > immemorial in the Vedic scriptures. > > Thank you, > Amala Gaura Dasa > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 26, 2006 Report Share Posted June 26, 2006 Oh come on, Everything has emanated from the Lord Himself. " Isa vasya midam sarvam " " Everything in this world, moving or unmoving, is resided by the Isa " (Isa Upanishad 1:1) So, how can you say a stone, which is unanimated, is without the effervance of the Lord?? Same way, the Oceans were filled with pre life and inert material for ages, before there was an ignition. It is wrong to call them non life but you should say they are pre life. The story of Vrtra and Indra has been given several times in the puranas and in the RgVeda itself. The cosmological sense of Ancient Rshis is much more advanced than that of the present scientists. Kishore patnaik sohamsa , " amalagaura " <amalagaura.lists wrote: > > sohamsa , " kishore mohan " <kishorepatnaik09@> > wrote: > > > > Dear all, > > > > Most of us know that dashavatars depict the evolution of life throuh > > ameoba to a full human. Let me please share some of my thoughts as > > each planet and sign also represent an avatar. > > > > The life has began billions of years ago as a spark from Oceans. > > This is depicted in our puranas in several places. > > > > I often talked about Vritra and Indra's fighting on a symbolism > > level and this is one of the symbolisms it holds. Vrtra means > > inertia, the inertia that has been there for ages, lifeless, > > actionless and utterly passive, so passive that there was no change > > in any aspect for ages. Indra, perhaps a star here, Red in color and > > big in size, has stuck this inertia of the seas, igniting a spark, > > the spark of life. Incidentally, Indra literally means ignition. > > > > This life, ignited by Divine will or by accident, has started to > > take a shape called a Cell. This cell became capable of independent > > existence and behold, of growing and populating. This is called > > amoeba. > > > > A fish is nothing but a great amoeba! This is symbolized in the > > first avatar. This avatar represents the Life Force and > > interestingly, the demon killed by the Lord in this incarnation is > > named Somaka- the laziness or Inertia! Thus, it symbolizes the > > beginning of life by having victory over the inertia that has been > > there for ages. > > > > Lord Krishna had been an avid worshipper of matsya avatar. > > > > At psychological level, this avatar represents the beginning of > > Intelligence and the eternal dilemma of man whether to be born or > > not. At spiritual level, it indicates the birth of the urge to seek > > of the Ultimate, as paraphrased by the famous first brahma sutra- ` > > Once the Brahma jijnasa has taken place… " (athatho brahma jijnasa) > > Pisces, amongst signs, represents this avatar and fittingly, the > > spiritual graha, Ketu , represents this avatar. > > > > The Kurma symbolizes the survival and slow proliferation of life > > onto Land. The survival requires conformation to the nature laws and > > a discipline that is imposed by the Universe. The tortoise also > > represents imposing limits on its own self. Cancer, amongst signs > > and Saturn in the planets represent this avatar. It also indicates > > the responsibilities one carries in any role that one dons. > > > > At psychological level, it represents the development of Ideas and > > emotions. At spiritual level, it indicates the culmination of > > shraddha or deeksha , ie the deep determination and strength of > > ones decision to seek the Lord. > > > > > > I would post more on hearing from the group. > > > > regards, > > > > Kishore patnaik > > 98492 70729 > > I found some of your thoughts interesting. > > Can you substantiate this statement: > >The life has began billions of years ago as a spark from Oceans. > >This is depicted in our puranas in several places. > > This is actually contrary to Vedic thought and principal. The Vedas > explain that Life comes from Life, Life does not evolve from dead matter. > > As Lord Krishna says in the Bhagavad Gita 7.5: Besides these, O > mighty-armed Arjuna, there is another, superior energy of Mine, which > comprises the living entities who are exploiting the resources of this > material, inferior nature. > > Lord Krishna says here that the individual living entities are parts > and parcels of Himself (Lord Krishna), the Supreme Spirit. > > You are taking as fact that life has evolved based on the opinions of > a few " scientists " rather than researching from shastra. The summary > of shastras can be found in Bhagavad Gita. And in that authoritative > text Krishna says he brought into existence all different forms of > life from his mind, 10.6. > > " The seven great sages and before them the four other great sages and > the Manus [progenitors of mankind] come from Me, born from My mind, > and all the living beings populating the various planets descend from > them. " > > Sorry if bringing Bhagavad Gita is not in line with the topics in this > discussion group but I found the comparison of divine avatars to > follow atheistic philosophy somewhat offensive and misleading. > > Rather than trying to make divine shastras fit the opinions of mundane > scientists, if you have faith in scriptures, you should explain how > the current " discoveries " of scientists are already there from time > immemorial in the Vedic scriptures. > > Thank you, > Amala Gaura Dasa > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 26, 2006 Report Share Posted June 26, 2006 sohamsa , " Souvik Dutta " <explore_vulcan wrote: > > Namaskar Amalji, > > Would you consider the beings that emerged from Sagar manthan as > living? > > Thanks > > Souvik I don't quite follow this question. Wouldn't we have to accept the version of the scriptures to understand this event? Do you want to accept these events as " mythology " , (means fairy tale), or as factual scriptural statements about the universe. It is the great credit of the British that they could convince the intelligent class of India that their great spiritual heritage is backwards mythology. This is being continued to this day in various forms. Do you accept scriptural statements that the planets are living? How about mountains? I remember from biology class that the scientists have no definition of life. That was the first day in 9th grade biology class. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 27, 2006 Report Share Posted June 27, 2006 Namaskar Amalji, I am a half-educated human with limited intellect, please do educate me on the factual scriptural statements and as to how to interpret them. Eager to learn only if you are kind enough share.. Student always, Souvik sohamsa , " amalagaura " <amalagaura.lists wrote: > > sohamsa , " Souvik Dutta " <explore_vulcan@> wrote: > > > > Namaskar Amalji, > > > > Would you consider the beings that emerged from Sagar manthan as > > living? > > > > Thanks > > > > Souvik > > I don't quite follow this question. Wouldn't we have to accept the > version of the scriptures to understand this event? > > Do you want to accept these events as " mythology " , (means fairy tale), > or as factual scriptural statements about the universe. > > It is the great credit of the British that they could convince the > intelligent class of India that their great spiritual heritage is > backwards mythology. This is being continued to this day in various > forms. > > Do you accept scriptural statements that the planets are living? How > about mountains? > > I remember from biology class that the scientists have no definition > of life. That was the first day in 9th grade biology class. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 29, 2006 Report Share Posted June 29, 2006 sohamsa , " kishore mohan " <kishorepatnaik09 wrote: > > Oh come on, > > Everything has emanated from the Lord Himself. > > " Isa vasya midam sarvam " > > " Everything in this world, moving or unmoving, is resided by the > Isa " (Isa Upanishad 1:1) > > So, how can you say a stone, which is unanimated, is without the > effervance of the Lord?? > > Same way, the Oceans were filled with pre life and inert material > for ages, before there was an ignition. It is wrong to call them non > life but you should say they are pre life. > > The story of Vrtra and Indra has been given several times in the > puranas and in the RgVeda itself. The cosmological sense of Ancient > Rshis is much more advanced than that of the present scientists. > > Kishore patnaik > Yes certainly you are correct. The Lord is all pervading and has presence even in each atom. How does that support this statement about oceans filled with pre-life having ignition? These are 2 separate statements that you have strung together. Where is the scriptural basis for this? I have posted in another message the top-down theory of the Vedic literatures in contradiction to the bottup-up theory of the modern scientists that you are clinging to. Don't you agree that the grand cosmological sense of the ancient rishis is the precursor to less advanced forms of life? As you are alluding, consciousness is pervading everything, and that consciousness is given suitable forms to inhabit (stone, plant, animal, human) by higher authorities (sages and demigods). This is referred to as Daiva Netrena. We receive our body by the blessings of the demigods. The bodies are not designed by accident by some chemical evolutionary process. They are given to us for higher purpose by the agents of Lord Brahma as an agent of the Supreme Lord Krishna. The purposes of Lord Vishnu's descent as avataras is not to provide fuel for evolutionary speculation but to do Lilas for the elevation of consciousness of conditioned souls who may take advanatge of his teachings and then his pastimes. Thank you, Amala Gaura dasa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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