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Dear all,

 

Most of us know that dashavatars depict the evolution of life throuh

ameoba to a full human. Let me please share some of my thoughts as

each planet and sign also represent an avatar.

 

The life has began billions of years ago as a spark from Oceans.

This is depicted in our puranas in several places.

 

I often talked about Vritra and Indra's fighting on a symbolism

level and this is one of the symbolisms it holds. Vrtra means

inertia, the inertia that has been there for ages, lifeless,

actionless and utterly passive, so passive that there was no change

in any aspect for ages. Indra, perhaps a star here, Red in color and

big in size, has stuck this inertia of the seas, igniting a spark,

the spark of life. Incidentally, Indra literally means ignition.

 

This life, ignited by Divine will or by accident, has started to

take a shape called a Cell. This cell became capable of independent

existence and behold, of growing and populating. This is called

amoeba.

 

A fish is nothing but a great amoeba! This is symbolized in the

first avatar. This avatar represents the Life Force and

interestingly, the demon killed by the Lord in this incarnation is

named Somaka- the laziness or Inertia! Thus, it symbolizes the

beginning of life by having victory over the inertia that has been

there for ages.

 

Lord Krishna had been an avid worshipper of matsya avatar.

 

At psychological level, this avatar represents the beginning of

Intelligence and the eternal dilemma of man whether to be born or

not. At spiritual level, it indicates the birth of the urge to seek

of the Ultimate, as paraphrased by the famous first brahma sutra-`

Once the Brahma jijnasa has taken place… " (athatho brahma jijnasa)

Pisces, amongst signs, represents this avatar and fittingly, the

spiritual graha, Ketu , represents this avatar.

 

The Kurma symbolizes the survival and slow proliferation of life

onto Land. The survival requires conformation to the nature laws and

a discipline that is imposed by the Universe. The tortoise also

represents imposing limits on its own self. Cancer, amongst signs

and Saturn in the planets represent this avatar. It also indicates

the responsibilities one carries in any role that one dons.

 

At psychological level, it represents the development of Ideas and

emotions. At spiritual level, it indicates the culmination of

shraddha or deeksha , ie the deep determination and strength of

ones decision to seek the Lord.

 

 

I would post more on hearing from the group.

 

regards,

 

Kishore patnaik

98492 70729

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sohamsa , " kishore mohan " <kishorepatnaik09

wrote:

>

> Dear all,

>

> Most of us know that dashavatars depict the evolution of life throuh

> ameoba to a full human. Let me please share some of my thoughts as

> each planet and sign also represent an avatar.

>

> The life has began billions of years ago as a spark from Oceans.

> This is depicted in our puranas in several places.

>

> I often talked about Vritra and Indra's fighting on a symbolism

> level and this is one of the symbolisms it holds. Vrtra means

> inertia, the inertia that has been there for ages, lifeless,

> actionless and utterly passive, so passive that there was no change

> in any aspect for ages. Indra, perhaps a star here, Red in color and

> big in size, has stuck this inertia of the seas, igniting a spark,

> the spark of life. Incidentally, Indra literally means ignition.

>

> This life, ignited by Divine will or by accident, has started to

> take a shape called a Cell. This cell became capable of independent

> existence and behold, of growing and populating. This is called

> amoeba.

>

> A fish is nothing but a great amoeba! This is symbolized in the

> first avatar. This avatar represents the Life Force and

> interestingly, the demon killed by the Lord in this incarnation is

> named Somaka- the laziness or Inertia! Thus, it symbolizes the

> beginning of life by having victory over the inertia that has been

> there for ages.

>

> Lord Krishna had been an avid worshipper of matsya avatar.

>

> At psychological level, this avatar represents the beginning of

> Intelligence and the eternal dilemma of man whether to be born or

> not. At spiritual level, it indicates the birth of the urge to seek

> of the Ultimate, as paraphrased by the famous first brahma sutra-`

> Once the Brahma jijnasa has taken place… " (athatho brahma jijnasa)

> Pisces, amongst signs, represents this avatar and fittingly, the

> spiritual graha, Ketu , represents this avatar.

>

> The Kurma symbolizes the survival and slow proliferation of life

> onto Land. The survival requires conformation to the nature laws and

> a discipline that is imposed by the Universe. The tortoise also

> represents imposing limits on its own self. Cancer, amongst signs

> and Saturn in the planets represent this avatar. It also indicates

> the responsibilities one carries in any role that one dons.

>

> At psychological level, it represents the development of Ideas and

> emotions. At spiritual level, it indicates the culmination of

> shraddha or deeksha , ie the deep determination and strength of

> ones decision to seek the Lord.

>

>

> I would post more on hearing from the group.

>

> regards,

>

> Kishore patnaik

> 98492 70729

 

I found some of your thoughts interesting.

 

Can you substantiate this statement:

>The life has began billions of years ago as a spark from Oceans.

>This is depicted in our puranas in several places.

 

This is actually contrary to Vedic thought and principal. The Vedas

explain that Life comes from Life, Life does not evolve from dead matter.

 

As Lord Krishna says in the Bhagavad Gita 7.5: Besides these, O

mighty-armed Arjuna, there is another, superior energy of Mine, which

comprises the living entities who are exploiting the resources of this

material, inferior nature.

 

Lord Krishna says here that the individual living entities are parts

and parcels of Himself (Lord Krishna), the Supreme Spirit.

 

You are taking as fact that life has evolved based on the opinions of

a few " scientists " rather than researching from shastra. The summary

of shastras can be found in Bhagavad Gita. And in that authoritative

text Krishna says he brought into existence all different forms of

life from his mind, 10.6.

 

" The seven great sages and before them the four other great sages and

the Manus [progenitors of mankind] come from Me, born from My mind,

and all the living beings populating the various planets descend from

them. "

 

Sorry if bringing Bhagavad Gita is not in line with the topics in this

discussion group but I found the comparison of divine avatars to

follow atheistic philosophy somewhat offensive and misleading.

 

Rather than trying to make divine shastras fit the opinions of mundane

scientists, if you have faith in scriptures, you should explain how

the current " discoveries " of scientists are already there from time

immemorial in the Vedic scriptures.

 

Thank you,

Amala Gaura Dasa

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Namaskar Amalji,

 

Would you consider the beings that emerged from Sagar manthan as

living?

 

Thanks

 

Souvik

sohamsa , " amalagaura " <amalagaura.lists

wrote:

>

> sohamsa , " kishore mohan " <kishorepatnaik09@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Dear all,

> >

> > Most of us know that dashavatars depict the evolution of life

throuh

> > ameoba to a full human. Let me please share some of my thoughts

as

> > each planet and sign also represent an avatar.

> >

> > The life has began billions of years ago as a spark from Oceans.

> > This is depicted in our puranas in several places.

> >

> > I often talked about Vritra and Indra's fighting on a symbolism

> > level and this is one of the symbolisms it holds. Vrtra means

> > inertia, the inertia that has been there for ages, lifeless,

> > actionless and utterly passive, so passive that there was no

change

> > in any aspect for ages. Indra, perhaps a star here, Red in color

and

> > big in size, has stuck this inertia of the seas, igniting a

spark,

> > the spark of life. Incidentally, Indra literally means ignition.

> >

> > This life, ignited by Divine will or by accident, has started to

> > take a shape called a Cell. This cell became capable of

independent

> > existence and behold, of growing and populating. This is called

> > amoeba.

> >

> > A fish is nothing but a great amoeba! This is symbolized in the

> > first avatar. This avatar represents the Life Force and

> > interestingly, the demon killed by the Lord in this incarnation

is

> > named Somaka- the laziness or Inertia! Thus, it symbolizes the

> > beginning of life by having victory over the inertia that has

been

> > there for ages.

> >

> > Lord Krishna had been an avid worshipper of matsya avatar.

> >

> > At psychological level, this avatar represents the beginning of

> > Intelligence and the eternal dilemma of man whether to be born or

> > not. At spiritual level, it indicates the birth of the urge to

seek

> > of the Ultimate, as paraphrased by the famous first brahma sutra-

`

> > Once the Brahma jijnasa has taken place… " (athatho brahma

jijnasa)

> > Pisces, amongst signs, represents this avatar and fittingly, the

> > spiritual graha, Ketu , represents this avatar.

> >

> > The Kurma symbolizes the survival and slow proliferation of life

> > onto Land. The survival requires conformation to the nature laws

and

> > a discipline that is imposed by the Universe. The tortoise also

> > represents imposing limits on its own self. Cancer, amongst signs

> > and Saturn in the planets represent this avatar. It also

indicates

> > the responsibilities one carries in any role that one dons.

> >

> > At psychological level, it represents the development of Ideas

and

> > emotions. At spiritual level, it indicates the culmination of

> > shraddha or deeksha , ie the deep determination and strength of

> > ones decision to seek the Lord.

> >

> >

> > I would post more on hearing from the group.

> >

> > regards,

> >

> > Kishore patnaik

> > 98492 70729

>

> I found some of your thoughts interesting.

>

> Can you substantiate this statement:

> >The life has began billions of years ago as a spark from Oceans.

> >This is depicted in our puranas in several places.

>

> This is actually contrary to Vedic thought and principal. The

Vedas

> explain that Life comes from Life, Life does not evolve from dead

matter.

>

> As Lord Krishna says in the Bhagavad Gita 7.5: Besides these, O

> mighty-armed Arjuna, there is another, superior energy of Mine,

which

> comprises the living entities who are exploiting the resources of

this

> material, inferior nature.

>

> Lord Krishna says here that the individual living entities are

parts

> and parcels of Himself (Lord Krishna), the Supreme Spirit.

>

> You are taking as fact that life has evolved based on the opinions

of

> a few " scientists " rather than researching from shastra. The

summary

> of shastras can be found in Bhagavad Gita. And in that

authoritative

> text Krishna says he brought into existence all different forms of

> life from his mind, 10.6.

>

> " The seven great sages and before them the four other great sages

and

> the Manus [progenitors of mankind] come from Me, born from My mind,

> and all the living beings populating the various planets descend

from

> them. "

>

> Sorry if bringing Bhagavad Gita is not in line with the topics in

this

> discussion group but I found the comparison of divine avatars to

> follow atheistic philosophy somewhat offensive and misleading.

>

> Rather than trying to make divine shastras fit the opinions of

mundane

> scientists, if you have faith in scriptures, you should explain how

> the current " discoveries " of scientists are already there from time

> immemorial in the Vedic scriptures.

>

> Thank you,

> Amala Gaura Dasa

>

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Oh come on,

 

Everything has emanated from the Lord Himself.

 

" Isa vasya midam sarvam "

 

" Everything in this world, moving or unmoving, is resided by the

Isa " (Isa Upanishad 1:1)

 

So, how can you say a stone, which is unanimated, is without the

effervance of the Lord??

 

Same way, the Oceans were filled with pre life and inert material

for ages, before there was an ignition. It is wrong to call them non

life but you should say they are pre life.

 

The story of Vrtra and Indra has been given several times in the

puranas and in the RgVeda itself. The cosmological sense of Ancient

Rshis is much more advanced than that of the present scientists.

 

Kishore patnaik

 

 

sohamsa , " amalagaura " <amalagaura.lists

wrote:

>

> sohamsa , " kishore mohan " <kishorepatnaik09@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Dear all,

> >

> > Most of us know that dashavatars depict the evolution of life

throuh

> > ameoba to a full human. Let me please share some of my thoughts

as

> > each planet and sign also represent an avatar.

> >

> > The life has began billions of years ago as a spark from Oceans.

> > This is depicted in our puranas in several places.

> >

> > I often talked about Vritra and Indra's fighting on a symbolism

> > level and this is one of the symbolisms it holds. Vrtra means

> > inertia, the inertia that has been there for ages, lifeless,

> > actionless and utterly passive, so passive that there was no

change

> > in any aspect for ages. Indra, perhaps a star here, Red in color

and

> > big in size, has stuck this inertia of the seas, igniting a

spark,

> > the spark of life. Incidentally, Indra literally means ignition.

> >

> > This life, ignited by Divine will or by accident, has started to

> > take a shape called a Cell. This cell became capable of

independent

> > existence and behold, of growing and populating. This is called

> > amoeba.

> >

> > A fish is nothing but a great amoeba! This is symbolized in the

> > first avatar. This avatar represents the Life Force and

> > interestingly, the demon killed by the Lord in this incarnation

is

> > named Somaka- the laziness or Inertia! Thus, it symbolizes the

> > beginning of life by having victory over the inertia that has

been

> > there for ages.

> >

> > Lord Krishna had been an avid worshipper of matsya avatar.

> >

> > At psychological level, this avatar represents the beginning of

> > Intelligence and the eternal dilemma of man whether to be born or

> > not. At spiritual level, it indicates the birth of the urge to

seek

> > of the Ultimate, as paraphrased by the famous first brahma sutra-

`

> > Once the Brahma jijnasa has taken place… " (athatho brahma

jijnasa)

> > Pisces, amongst signs, represents this avatar and fittingly, the

> > spiritual graha, Ketu , represents this avatar.

> >

> > The Kurma symbolizes the survival and slow proliferation of life

> > onto Land. The survival requires conformation to the nature laws

and

> > a discipline that is imposed by the Universe. The tortoise also

> > represents imposing limits on its own self. Cancer, amongst signs

> > and Saturn in the planets represent this avatar. It also

indicates

> > the responsibilities one carries in any role that one dons.

> >

> > At psychological level, it represents the development of Ideas

and

> > emotions. At spiritual level, it indicates the culmination of

> > shraddha or deeksha , ie the deep determination and strength of

> > ones decision to seek the Lord.

> >

> >

> > I would post more on hearing from the group.

> >

> > regards,

> >

> > Kishore patnaik

> > 98492 70729

>

> I found some of your thoughts interesting.

>

> Can you substantiate this statement:

> >The life has began billions of years ago as a spark from Oceans.

> >This is depicted in our puranas in several places.

>

> This is actually contrary to Vedic thought and principal. The

Vedas

> explain that Life comes from Life, Life does not evolve from dead

matter.

>

> As Lord Krishna says in the Bhagavad Gita 7.5: Besides these, O

> mighty-armed Arjuna, there is another, superior energy of Mine,

which

> comprises the living entities who are exploiting the resources of

this

> material, inferior nature.

>

> Lord Krishna says here that the individual living entities are

parts

> and parcels of Himself (Lord Krishna), the Supreme Spirit.

>

> You are taking as fact that life has evolved based on the opinions

of

> a few " scientists " rather than researching from shastra. The

summary

> of shastras can be found in Bhagavad Gita. And in that

authoritative

> text Krishna says he brought into existence all different forms of

> life from his mind, 10.6.

>

> " The seven great sages and before them the four other great sages

and

> the Manus [progenitors of mankind] come from Me, born from My mind,

> and all the living beings populating the various planets descend

from

> them. "

>

> Sorry if bringing Bhagavad Gita is not in line with the topics in

this

> discussion group but I found the comparison of divine avatars to

> follow atheistic philosophy somewhat offensive and misleading.

>

> Rather than trying to make divine shastras fit the opinions of

mundane

> scientists, if you have faith in scriptures, you should explain how

> the current " discoveries " of scientists are already there from time

> immemorial in the Vedic scriptures.

>

> Thank you,

> Amala Gaura Dasa

>

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sohamsa , " Souvik Dutta " <explore_vulcan wrote:

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> Namaskar Amalji,

>

> Would you consider the beings that emerged from Sagar manthan as

> living?

>

> Thanks

>

> Souvik

 

I don't quite follow this question. Wouldn't we have to accept the

version of the scriptures to understand this event?

 

Do you want to accept these events as " mythology " , (means fairy tale),

or as factual scriptural statements about the universe.

 

It is the great credit of the British that they could convince the

intelligent class of India that their great spiritual heritage is

backwards mythology. This is being continued to this day in various

forms.

 

Do you accept scriptural statements that the planets are living? How

about mountains?

 

I remember from biology class that the scientists have no definition

of life. That was the first day in 9th grade biology class.

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Namaskar Amalji,

 

I am a half-educated human with limited intellect, please do educate

me on the factual scriptural statements and as to how to interpret

them.

 

Eager to learn only if you are kind enough share..:)

 

Student always,

 

Souvik

sohamsa , " amalagaura " <amalagaura.lists

wrote:

>

> sohamsa , " Souvik Dutta " <explore_vulcan@>

wrote:

> >

> > Namaskar Amalji,

> >

> > Would you consider the beings that emerged from Sagar manthan as

> > living?

> >

> > Thanks

> >

> > Souvik

>

> I don't quite follow this question. Wouldn't we have to accept the

> version of the scriptures to understand this event?

>

> Do you want to accept these events as " mythology " , (means fairy

tale),

> or as factual scriptural statements about the universe.

>

> It is the great credit of the British that they could convince the

> intelligent class of India that their great spiritual heritage is

> backwards mythology. This is being continued to this day in

various

> forms.

>

> Do you accept scriptural statements that the planets are living?

How

> about mountains?

>

> I remember from biology class that the scientists have no

definition

> of life. That was the first day in 9th grade biology class.

>

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sohamsa , " kishore mohan " <kishorepatnaik09

wrote:

>

> Oh come on,

>

> Everything has emanated from the Lord Himself.

>

> " Isa vasya midam sarvam "

>

> " Everything in this world, moving or unmoving, is resided by the

> Isa " (Isa Upanishad 1:1)

>

> So, how can you say a stone, which is unanimated, is without the

> effervance of the Lord??

>

> Same way, the Oceans were filled with pre life and inert material

> for ages, before there was an ignition. It is wrong to call them non

> life but you should say they are pre life.

>

> The story of Vrtra and Indra has been given several times in the

> puranas and in the RgVeda itself. The cosmological sense of Ancient

> Rshis is much more advanced than that of the present scientists.

>

> Kishore patnaik

>

 

Yes certainly you are correct. The Lord is all pervading and has

presence even in each atom.

 

How does that support this statement about oceans filled with pre-life

having ignition? These are 2 separate statements that you have strung

together. Where is the scriptural basis for this?

 

I have posted in another message the top-down theory of the Vedic

literatures in contradiction to the bottup-up theory of the modern

scientists that you are clinging to.

 

Don't you agree that the grand cosmological sense of the ancient

rishis is the precursor to less advanced forms of life?

 

As you are alluding, consciousness is pervading everything, and that

consciousness is given suitable forms to inhabit (stone, plant,

animal, human) by higher authorities (sages and demigods). This is

referred to as Daiva Netrena. We receive our body by the blessings of

the demigods. The bodies are not designed by accident by some

chemical evolutionary process. They are given to us for higher purpose

by the agents of Lord Brahma as an agent of the Supreme Lord Krishna.

 

The purposes of Lord Vishnu's descent as avataras is not to provide

fuel for evolutionary speculation but to do Lilas for the elevation of

consciousness of conditioned souls who may take advanatge of his

teachings and then his pastimes.

 

Thank you,

Amala Gaura dasa

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