Sanjay ji and CT - Narasimha...My 2cents

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Namaste learned friends,

 

A couple of quick points before I go to sleep.

 

I may have been misunderstood somewhat.

 

I never said there is no concern. When Sarbani said Sanjay's health improved in April, I wrote on this list then that I still had some concerns and the time till 2007 was worrisome for Sanjay. I said that he will have improved health only after 2007. I said he should continue to take care despite temporary improvements.

 

So it's my view that the time is bad now and will continue for more time.

 

Whatever I am writing now should be read ON TOP OF THAT previous writing.

 

* * *

 

In my latest mail, I was making a judgment on a narrow issue - whether the recent headache shows an underlying problem in brain/head or not.

 

Regarding Robert's erudite analysis, he and I differ on two philosophical issues and the analysis differs accordingly. I don't use annual TP chart to decide which part of the body has problems. I use natal chart to decide that. To me, an annual chart may show when a problem shown in the natal chart comes. I do not decide the afflicted body part based on each annual TP chart. Though I am big fan of annual TP charts, there are certain things I do not use TP for. Robert seems to hold a different view.

 

Similarly, I do not use D-6 to see the afflicted body part. I see afflictions in D-6, but I see body parts only from the chart of physical existence, i.e. rasi chart.

 

In Sanjay's case, I use neither Vimsottari dasa nor lagna Vimsottari dasa nor Tara dasa. I use Shodasottari dasa for him as I find it making more sense. I mentioned this to Sanjay a few years ago, but I am not sure if he paid attention. But I find this to be the best nakshatra dasa for him and use only this for him.

 

He is running Ketu-Mars. This antardasa runs from Feb 2006 to Aug 2007. Mars is a malefic in badhaka sthana and aspecting lagna. He can give a lot of stress and suffering. Of course, his affliction of lagna and lagna lord can give head related problems. But I don't consider this affliction serious enough to show a serious problem with head/brain. It can only show intermittant irritations. He is running Venus PD right now. During June 5-14 (give or take a few days), he was running Sun SD. When the 8th lord PD and 6th lord's SD came in the dasa of a planet in badhaka sthana aspecting lagna, this happened!

 

Overall, the whole of Mars AD is troublesome. Apart from the logic I gave based on D-6 Paryaya dasa, this was the other reason why I thought in April that time was bad until Aug 2007. Moreover, Ketu-Mars AD captures the result of Sarpa yoga.

 

In fact, if you see 2006-07 annual TP chart, you'll see that badhaka lord Mars (the same planet whose AD is running as per nakshatra dasa!) occupies 8th and is the hora lord, i.e. ruler of the year! Also, note the combination in 7th.

 

I am not at all optimistic that Sanjay's health will be smooth. Though I AM partial as you quite correctly hinted and want Sanjay to be perfectly healthy, I AM still quite concerned about the next 15 months for Sanjay. I am not pushing that concern under the rug.

 

But, in my overall analysis, I still see the possibility of a disastrous brain ailment as low. Stress, blood pressure and heart related problems are more likely.

 

I could be wrong. I am only a student of the subject. A highly vocal student is still a student. A few good predictions, praises from some and a "guru" title cannot hide the fact that one is a student.

 

I too think like Tattvamasi that there isn't any mantra or tantra done on him. I feel it is his own karma that is catching up with him. Let me leave my reasoning for later.

 

I can read and reply to the other mail addressed to me (on kavachas) only tomorrow.

 

Sarvam SreeKrishnaarpanamastu,

 

Narasimha

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> Friends,> I have read with interest and absolute unpartialty,> views expressed by different people about Chi.> Sanjay's problem.> None barring Mr. Koch has given impartial reading.> I hold the same views as Robert Koch albeit as per my> Rahu centric theory.> More than any combination, Sanjay's Guru in Lagna is> to be feared most.> I do not buy any body having done mantra tantra on> him. It is just justifying duryoga or dur-dasa.> I do not think that his karma are so bad that some> one's Bad Mantras will give problems to him.> Let us collectively and individually pray for his fast> recovery and give impartial study findings of his> chart.> > Tatvam-Asi> > --- Robert Koch <rk wrote:> > > Dear Narasimha,> > > > You've presented some good food for thought here, as> > well as optimism > > surrounding Sanjay's condition, and thanks for that.> > I do, however, > > disagree with what you wrote as follows:> > > > You wrote:> > > > >Neither the 6th lord nor the 8th lord have anything> > to do with lagna > > >or Aries. Jupiter protects lagna well. I am quite> > confident that he > > >will never have any serious ailments in head/brain.> > Problems with > > >blood and heart are likely in his case and nothing> > to do with brain/head.> > > > First, the source of Sanjay's comment re: Durmantra> > being perpetrated > > against him, evidently came by way of his analysis> > of the Tithi > > Pravesh chart currently in operation for him. In> > that chart, the > > Paka lagna is in Virgo, while Mercury is in the 8th> > from lagna and is > > aspected by the powerful Mars from the sign of> > Aries. Mars/Aries are > > the in 8th from Paka lagna, while Mercury (also> > ruling the brain, in > > addition to the Paka lagna) is conjoined with 6th> > lord Saturn, and > > 12th lord Sun, and further aspected by Rahu from the> > 7th as well > > (from Paka lagna). The fierce mutual graha drishtis> > between Saturn > > and Mars exacerbate an already very dangerous> > situation > > horoscopically, while the imbalance in Agni tattva> > coming by way of > > Mars from Aries certainly points to the> > possibilities of head/brain > > afflictions. So, I would conclude that it is very> > important that > > Sanjay has the CT testing as also recommended by> > certain doctors on > > this forum, in fact, I think that he should have it> > done without > > delay, before his returning to Delhi.> > > > The urgency of this may be noted by the current> > operation of the > > Tithi Ashtottari dasa of Moon, who has a Rudra yoga> > with Mars in this > > TP chart. Further, the Rudra graha is Saturn, who> > also has a bad > > yoga with the Moon as well.> > > > Coming to the natal chart, at this point in time the> > Niryana-Shoola > > dasa of Pisces/Libra is in operation, with 8th lord> > Venus (ruling the > > AD rasi), in the exact conjunction of transiting> > Saturn and Mars at > > 14 d. Cancer. This makes consideration of the> > Mars/Saturn transit > > to the 8th lord, which you also mentioned, all the> > more poignant, as > > the lagna lord and 8th lord rules the Dasa/bhukti> > periods at present.> > > > I already mentioned in another post that the lagna> > in Sanjay's natal > > D-6 chart is afflicted by Mars, while the nodes plus> > Saturn all > > afflict the current operative D-6 Paryaaya dasa> > bhukti period of > > Virgo. So in my opinion there is too much of Mars> > afflicting the > > head and brain by way of TP chart analysis,> > Niryana-Shoola, and > > finally D-6 Paryaaya dasas. Care should be taken,> > in my opinion.> > > > As for Jupiter protecting the lagna, that is an> > absolute fact and > > that is why I think that Sanjay will recover to full> > health in spite > > of this impasse. Still, we can never be too sure of> > a benefic lagna > > lord occupying the lagna when all the malefics> > barring none also > > afflict the lagna. There was also the case of the> > late Laci > > Peterson, who was murdered by her husband and whose> > body was later > > found decapitated, who had Jupiter rising in her> > Pisces lagna. In > > her case, certainly Jupiter did not protect her from> > head/brain > > injuries! (Apologies if this is too harsh an> > analogy). I will provide > > the birth data for that chart for whoever may be> > interested.> > > > Best wishes, and looking forward to Sanjay's full> > recovery,> > Robert

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OM SHRI RAGHAVENDRAAYA NAMAH OM SHRI LAKSHMI NRUSIMHA PRASANNA Pranaam Tattwam-Asi Ji and others, As I was little busy,I could not write in these days.Many experts have given many readings of Sanjay Ji's chart and his present problem.I agree with most of experts analysis.But I have something more to say in this regard. Now we all know that Kanya Rashi is the 6th sign of zodiac and Budha is the lord of that house.So all our health problems start from the stomach ie., intestines and other digestive system.In his chart,Kuja occupies Kanya which is his enemic sign.Kuja no doubt is 2nd and 9th lord but is a natural malefic planet also.Guru in Lagna has given him Digbala but Kuja's aspect is not good in terms of health.Kuja also aspects Mesha Rashi which is the 1st sign of

zodiac indicating head.Kuja is in trine with Shani (V) who is a malefic for his Lagna and is in Dhanishta Nakshatra ruled by Kuja.Kuja is Agni Tattwa,Budha indicates Tri Doshas and Shani Vaayu Tattwa but here Kuja has gained more malefic powers as he is in enemic house,his another great enemy Shani (V) is in his Nakshatra and in navamsha he is with powerful Rahu in Vrishabha.Kuja also can give the results of Budha as he in the sign of Budha.So the problem is more of Pitta and Vaayu in his body and has got severe headache.So if his digestive system is treated very well, his problems will be over within no time. Chanting of Varuna Sukta will reduce his health problems. With Shri Hari Vaayu Guru Naama Smarana, Ramadas Rao.Tatvam-Asi <nameisego wrote: Friends,I have read with interest and absolute unpartialty,views expressed by different people about Chi.Sanjay's problem.None barring Mr. Koch has given impartial reading.I hold the same views as Robert Koch albeit as per myRahu centric theory.More than any combination, Sanjay's Guru in Lagna isto be feared most.I do not buy any body having done mantra tantra onhim. It is just justifying duryoga or dur-dasa.I do not think that his karma are so bad that someone's Bad Mantras will give problems to him.Let us collectively and individually pray for his fastrecovery and give impartial study

findings of hischart.Tatvam-Asi--- Robert Koch <rk (AT) robertkoch (DOT) com> wrote:> Dear Narasimha,> > You've presented some good food for thought here, as> well as optimism > surrounding Sanjay's condition, and thanks for that.> I do, however, > disagree with what you wrote as follows:> > You wrote:> > >Neither the 6th lord nor the 8th lord have anything> to do with lagna > >or Aries. Jupiter protects lagna well. I am quite> confident that he > >will never have any serious ailments in head/brain.> Problems with > >blood and heart are likely in his case and nothing> to do with brain/head.> > First, the source of Sanjay's comment re: Durmantra> being perpetrated > against him, evidently came by way of his analysis> of the Tithi >

Pravesh chart currently in operation for him. In> that chart, the > Paka lagna is in Virgo, while Mercury is in the 8th> from lagna and is > aspected by the powerful Mars from the sign of> Aries. Mars/Aries are > the in 8th from Paka lagna, while Mercury (also> ruling the brain, in > addition to the Paka lagna) is conjoined with 6th> lord Saturn, and > 12th lord Sun, and further aspected by Rahu from the> 7th as well > (from Paka lagna). The fierce mutual graha drishtis> between Saturn > and Mars exacerbate an already very dangerous> situation > horoscopically, while the imbalance in Agni tattva> coming by way of > Mars from Aries certainly points to the> possibilities of head/brain > afflictions. So, I would conclude that it is very> important that > Sanjay has the CT testing as also recommended by> certain

doctors on > this forum, in fact, I think that he should have it> done without > delay, before his returning to Delhi.> > The urgency of this may be noted by the current> operation of the > Tithi Ashtottari dasa of Moon, who has a Rudra yoga> with Mars in this > TP chart. Further, the Rudra graha is Saturn, who> also has a bad > yoga with the Moon as well.> > Coming to the natal chart, at this point in time the> Niryana-Shoola > dasa of Pisces/Libra is in operation, with 8th lord> Venus (ruling the > AD rasi), in the exact conjunction of transiting> Saturn and Mars at > 14 d. Cancer. This makes consideration of the> Mars/Saturn transit > to the 8th lord, which you also mentioned, all the> more poignant, as > the lagna lord and 8th lord rules the Dasa/bhukti> periods at present.> > I already

mentioned in another post that the lagna> in Sanjay's natal > D-6 chart is afflicted by Mars, while the nodes plus> Saturn all > afflict the current operative D-6 Paryaaya dasa> bhukti period of > Virgo. So in my opinion there is too much of Mars> afflicting the > head and brain by way of TP chart analysis,> Niryana-Shoola, and > finally D-6 Paryaaya dasas. Care should be taken,> in my opinion.> > As for Jupiter protecting the lagna, that is an> absolute fact and > that is why I think that Sanjay will recover to full> health in spite > of this impasse. Still, we can never be too sure of> a benefic lagna > lord occupying the lagna when all the malefics> barring none also > afflict the lagna. There was also the case of the> late Laci > Peterson, who was murdered by her husband and whose> body was later

> found decapitated, who had Jupiter rising in her> Pisces lagna. In > her case, certainly Jupiter did not protect her from> head/brain > injuries! (Apologies if this is too harsh an> analogy). I will provide > the birth data for that chart for whoever may be> interested.> > Best wishes, and looking forward to Sanjay's full> recovery,> Robert> > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~> Robert A. Koch, Vedic Astrologer> Author, The Spiritual Dimensions of Vedic Astrology> visit: http://www.robertkoch.com> Email: rk (AT) robertkoch (DOT) com> Ph: 541.318.0248

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Namaste Narasimha,

Thank you for your interesting comments. I do wish to respond to

the following that you wrote as well:

You wrote:

Regarding Robert's

erudite analysis, he and I differ on two philosophical issues and the

analysis differs accordingly. I don't use annual TP chart to decide which

part of the body has problems. I use natal chart to decide that. To me,

an annual chart may show when a problem shown in the natal chart comes. I

do not decide the afflicted body part based on each annual TP chart.

Though I am big fan of annual TP charts, there are certain things I do

not use TP for. Robert seems to hold a different

view.

This is an interesting view, and I would suppose that time and research

would bear out the correctness of using TP or varga charts for assessing

afflictions to certain parts of the body. The natal rasi chart is

of course the physical domain, but then again TP or other annual charts

also have a rasi chart also, no? Frankly, I'm not sure, as I don't

remember reading anything definitive on this point, or hearing Sanjay

lecture on it either. It would be worthwhile knowing especially for

those Jyotishis such as Brendan and Willa, for example, whose focus is

medical Jyotish.

I have a case in my personal experience which supports my point of

view. You will remember that on 8/14/1999, I fell from a cliff and

broke my right arm in three places, and had to have surgery and a painful

recovery period following. The third house, its lord and karaka

represents the right arm. In the TP chart for that year, if you

will have a look at the TP chart for me for the Tithi Pravesh starting

9/24/1998, Taurus is the lagna, while the third house and Mars all come

under afflictions from Saturn, Ketu, and Mars itself. Saturn in the

12th shows a fall while walking in a secluded place (mountains), Ketu is

the sudden accident, while Mars is the injury when it falls in the 3rd

house. 3rd lord Moon is also afflicted by the nodes, plus Mars and

Saturn. The accident and injury occurred during the TA dasa of

Mercury, the 3rd from which is also afflicted by the above malefic

grahas. Moon was the AD period at the time.

Similarly, in the D-6 for that Tithi Pravesh chart, Rahu/Ketu/Saturn are

all directly in the 3rd house, while in D-30, the 3rd lord is afflicted

by the nodes + Mars.

Since then I have observed the injuries to the body parts from the TP

chart, and have found that the results are very consistently

correct. Still, more research needs to be done to see this working

in a greater number of charts.

Best wishes, and praying for Sanjay's recovery,

Robert

 

 

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Robert A. Koch, Vedic Astrologer

Author, The Spiritual Dimensions of Vedic Astrology

visit:

 

http://www.robertkoch.com

Email: rk

Ph: 541.318.0248

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Namaste Robert,

 

When I typed that mail a in a hurry, I don't think I was careful

with my words. I am sorry for wasting your time.

 

The 1st, 2nd, 3rd etc houses in the rasi chart of TP do still show

head, face, throat etc. And, afflictions to various body parts

should be visible in annual charts. I agree on that.

 

But, serious afflictions (e.g. a brain tumor that a CT may uncover)

should be visible in natal chart and I do not conclude such things

just based on an affliction in the annual chart. An affliction to

1st house in annual chart can be a harmless headache or a brain

tumor. I can decide it only if I get the context from the natal

chart. Thus, as far as big health problems are concerned, I will use

the natal chart to decide them and annual charts only to narrow down.

 

Regarding seeing body parts in D-6 and D-30, I cannot agree.

 

Secondly, I prefer Nakshatra Pravesha to Tithi Pravesha to see

events like your arm injury of 1999. Try compressed nakshatra dasa

(Vimsottari if no conditional dasa applies) and also Shoola dasa.

Give it a try with your examples and see if it is cleaner than TP in

showing health problems.

 

Sarvam SreeKrishnaarpanamastu,

Narasimha

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sohamsa , Robert Koch <rk wrote:

>

> Namaste Narasimha,

>

> Thank you for your interesting comments. I do wish to respond to

the

> following that you wrote as well:

>

> You wrote:

>

> >Regarding Robert's erudite analysis, he and I differ on two

> >philosophical issues and the analysis differs accordingly. I

don't

> >use annual TP chart to decide which part of the body has

problems. I

> >use natal chart to decide that. To me, an annual chart may show

when

> >a problem shown in the natal chart comes. I do not decide the

> >afflicted body part based on each annual TP chart. Though I am

big

> >fan of annual TP charts, there are certain things I do not use TP

> >for. Robert seems to hold a different view.

>

> This is an interesting view, and I would suppose that time and

> research would bear out the correctness of using TP or varga

charts

> for assessing afflictions to certain parts of the body. The natal

> rasi chart is of course the physical domain, but then again TP or

> other annual charts also have a rasi chart also, no? Frankly, I'm

> not sure, as I don't remember reading anything definitive on this

> point, or hearing Sanjay lecture on it either. It would be

> worthwhile knowing especially for those Jyotishis such as Brendan

and

> Willa, for example, whose focus is medical Jyotish.

>

> I have a case in my personal experience which supports my point of

> view. You will remember that on 8/14/1999, I fell from a cliff

and

> broke my right arm in three places, and had to have surgery and a

> painful recovery period following. The third house, its lord and

> karaka represents the right arm. In the TP chart for that year,

if

> you will have a look at the TP chart for me for the Tithi Pravesh

> starting 9/24/1998, Taurus is the lagna, while the third house and

> Mars all come under afflictions from Saturn, Ketu, and Mars

> itself. Saturn in the 12th shows a fall while walking in a

secluded

> place (mountains), Ketu is the sudden accident, while Mars is the

> injury when it falls in the 3rd house. 3rd lord Moon is also

> afflicted by the nodes, plus Mars and Saturn. The accident and

> injury occurred during the TA dasa of Mercury, the 3rd from which

is

> also afflicted by the above malefic grahas. Moon was the AD

period

> at the time.

>

> Similarly, in the D-6 for that Tithi Pravesh chart,

Rahu/Ketu/Saturn

> are all directly in the 3rd house, while in D-30, the 3rd lord is

> afflicted by the nodes + Mars.

>

> Since then I have observed the injuries to the body parts from the

TP

> chart, and have found that the results are very consistently

> correct. Still, more research needs to be done to see this

working

> in a greater number of charts.

>

> Best wishes, and praying for Sanjay's recovery,

> Robert

>

>

>

> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

> Robert A. Koch, Vedic Astrologer

> Author, The Spiritual Dimensions of Vedic Astrology

> visit: http://www.robertkoch.com

> Email: rk

> Ph: 541.318.0248

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Namaste Narasimha,

Thank you for your views and I appreciate your perspectives. No,

your communication and dialogue are never a waste of time, Narasimha,

just the opposite in fact and always stimulating!

Yes, I agree that major health problems should first be seen by way of

the rasi chart and operative dasas and transits, and then bringing the

fine-tuning to bear by way of TP or NP charts. This the way I

used to use Tajaka Varshaphal, as for that there is a direct link between

the solar return chart and the progressed annual ascendant

(Muntha). True, if something does not appear to be dangerous

physically from the rasi chart, then it is improbable that afflictions to

various body parts in annual charts are going to bring serious

difficulties. I have noticed, however, that Tithi Ashtottari dasa

with TP charts is so accurate - on annual, monthly, and daily levels too

- that I have to pay close attention to those and " watch my

back " when some really malefic dasa comes forward.

Re: my injury: I mentioned it, because it appeared to me that the

indications of it were more graphic in the TP chart than in the natal

chart + dasas and transits. References to it by way of natal

Vimsottari and Shataabdika dasas were vague. So far as transits go,

Jaimini does say that the 4th house - not the 3rd - should be looked at

vis a vis the arms. Transit Mars and Saturn were both debilitated

at the time and aspecting the 4th house in my natal chart, but directly

the 3rd and 3rd lord in the TP chart.

Anyway, that is a good tip re: Naksatra Pravesh + compressed Vim.,

Shoola, and applicable conditional dasas. Now that you've made full

access to these by way of JHora, there are no limits to the research

possibilities!

All the best,

Robert

At 07:30 AM 6/19/2006, you wrote:

Namaste Robert,

 

When I typed that mail a in a hurry, I don't think I was careful

with my words. I am sorry for wasting your time.

 

The 1st, 2nd, 3rd etc houses in the rasi chart of TP do still show

head, face, throat etc. And, afflictions to various body parts

should be visible in annual charts. I agree on that.

 

But, serious afflictions (e.g. a brain tumor that a CT may uncover)

should be visible in natal chart and I do not conclude such things

just based on an affliction in the annual chart. An affliction to

1st house in annual chart can be a harmless headache or a brain

tumor. I can decide it only if I get the context from the natal

chart. Thus, as far as big health problems are concerned, I will use

 

the natal chart to decide them and annual charts only to narrow

down.

 

Regarding seeing body parts in D-6 and D-30, I cannot agree.

 

Secondly, I prefer Nakshatra Pravesha to Tithi Pravesha to see

events like your arm injury of 1999. Try compressed nakshatra dasa

(Vimsottari if no conditional dasa applies) and also Shoola dasa.

Give it a try with your examples and see if it is cleaner than TP in

 

showing health problems.

 

Sarvam SreeKrishnaarpanamastu,

Narasimha

-------------------------------

Free Jyotish lessons (MP3):

 

http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net

Free Jyotish software (Windows):

 

http://www.VedicAstrologer.org

Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website:

 

http://www.SriJagannath.org

-------------------------------

 

sohamsa , Robert Koch <rk wrote:

>

> Namaste Narasimha,

>

> Thank you for your interesting comments. I do wish to respond

to

the

> following that you wrote as well:

>

> You wrote:

>

> >Regarding Robert's erudite analysis, he and I differ on two

 

> >philosophical issues and the analysis differs accordingly. I

 

don't

> >use annual TP chart to decide which part of the body has

problems. I

> >use natal chart to decide that. To me, an annual chart may show

 

when

> >a problem shown in the natal chart comes. I do not decide the

 

> >afflicted body part based on each annual TP chart. Though I am

 

big

> >fan of annual TP charts, there are certain things I do not use

TP

> >for. Robert seems to hold a different view.

>

> This is an interesting view, and I would suppose that time and

> research would bear out the correctness of using TP or varga

charts

> for assessing afflictions to certain parts of the body. The

natal

> rasi chart is of course the physical domain, but then again TP or

 

> other annual charts also have a rasi chart also, no? Frankly,

I'm

> not sure, as I don't remember reading anything definitive on this

 

> point, or hearing Sanjay lecture on it either. It would be

 

> worthwhile knowing especially for those Jyotishis such as Brendan

 

and

> Willa, for example, whose focus is medical Jyotish.

>

> I have a case in my personal experience which supports my point of

 

> view. You will remember that on 8/14/1999, I fell from a cliff

 

and

> broke my right arm in three places, and had to have surgery and a

 

> painful recovery period following. The third house, its lord

and

> karaka represents the right arm. In the TP chart for that

year,

if

> you will have a look at the TP chart for me for the Tithi Pravesh

 

> starting 9/24/1998, Taurus is the lagna, while the third house and

 

> Mars all come under afflictions from Saturn, Ketu, and Mars

> itself. Saturn in the 12th shows a fall while walking in a

 

secluded

> place (mountains), Ketu is the sudden accident, while Mars is the

 

> injury when it falls in the 3rd house. 3rd lord Moon is also

 

> afflicted by the nodes, plus Mars and Saturn. The accident and

 

> injury occurred during the TA dasa of Mercury, the 3rd from which

 

is

> also afflicted by the above malefic grahas. Moon was the AD

 

period

> at the time.

>

> Similarly, in the D-6 for that Tithi Pravesh chart,

Rahu/Ketu/Saturn

> are all directly in the 3rd house, while in D-30, the 3rd lord is

 

> afflicted by the nodes + Mars.

>

> Since then I have observed the injuries to the body parts from the

 

TP

> chart, and have found that the results are very consistently

> correct. Still, more research needs to be done to see this

 

working

> in a greater number of charts.

>

> Best wishes, and praying for Sanjay's recovery,

> Robert

>

>

>

> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

> Robert A. Koch, Vedic Astrologer

> Author, The Spiritual Dimensions of Vedic Astrology

> visit:

 

http://www.robertkoch.com

> Email: rk

> Ph: 541.318.0248

 

 

 

 

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Namaste Robert,

 

> Re: my injury: I mentioned it, because it appeared to me that the > indications of it were more graphic in the TP chart than in the natal > chart + dasas and transits. References to it by way of natal > Vimsottari and Shataabdika dasas were vague. So far as transits go,

 

A regular cold or fever may be difficult to see in natal chart (but easy to see in an annual chart), but breaking an arm shouldn't be. If it is, we are missing something.

 

Ketu-Venus antardasa was running at the time. Ketu is the maraka lord of the 2nd house. He is in a kroora drekkana. He afflicts the 3rd lord of arms, Jupiter. From the 3rd house of arms, Venus is the 6th and 11th lord. The bhoga (experienced) of Venus AD in Ketu MD is in Cancer, the 8th house of trouble from the 3rd house of arms.

> Jaimini does say that the 4th house - not the 3rd - should be looked > at vis a vis the arms. Transit Mars and Saturn were both debilitated > at the time and aspecting the 4th house in my natal chart, but > directly the 3rd and 3rd lord in the TP chart.

 

In the NP chart, Jupiter is the 3rd and 6th lord and a functional malefic. He is in Aq (hills) and closely aspects lagna lord Venus. This shows the possibility of an accident. Presence of nodes near Jupiter and Venus increases the chance of an accident. Rahu is the dispositor of 3rd lord Jupiter and afflicts Jupiter and 3rd house by aspect. He afflicts lagna lord Venus too. He is in A8 (mrityu pada), in the 3rd from AL. He is in a kroora drekkana.

 

It was the compressed Vimsottari dasa of Rahu and the Shoola dasa of Leo (containing Rahu) that caused the accident.

 

BTW, do not ignore Vimsottari dasa variations and conditional nakshatra dasas when using NP. The strongest dasa should be taken.

 

 

Sarvam SreeKrishnaarpanamastu,

 

Narasimha

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> Namaste Narasimha,> > Thank you for your views and I appreciate your perspectives. No, > your communication and dialogue are never a waste of time, Narasimha, > just the opposite in fact and always stimulating!> > Yes, I agree that major health problems should first be seen by way > of the rasi chart and operative dasas and transits, and then bringing > the fine-tuning to bear by way of TP or NP charts. This the way I > used to use Tajaka Varshaphal, as for that there is a direct link > between the solar return chart and the progressed annual ascendant > (Muntha). True, if something does not appear to be dangerous > physically from the rasi chart, then it is improbable that > afflictions to various body parts in annual charts are going to bring > serious difficulties. I have noticed, however, that Tithi Ashtottari > dasa with TP charts is so accurate - on annual, monthly, and daily > levels too - that I have to pay close attention to those and "watch > my back" when some really malefic dasa comes forward.> > Re: my injury: I mentioned it, because it appeared to me that the > indications of it were more graphic in the TP chart than in the natal > chart + dasas and transits. References to it by way of natal > Vimsottari and Shataabdika dasas were vague. So far as transits go, > Jaimini does say that the 4th house - not the 3rd - should be looked > at vis a vis the arms. Transit Mars and Saturn were both debilitated > at the time and aspecting the 4th house in my natal chart, but > directly the 3rd and 3rd lord in the TP chart.> > Anyway, that is a good tip re: Naksatra Pravesh + compressed Vim., > Shoola, and applicable conditional dasas. Now that you've made full > access to these by way of JHora, there are no limits to the research > possibilities!> > All the best,> Robert> > At 07:30 AM 6/19/2006, you wrote:> >Namaste Robert,> >> >When I typed that mail a in a hurry, I don't think I was careful> >with my words. I am sorry for wasting your time.> >> >The 1st, 2nd, 3rd etc houses in the rasi chart of TP do still show> >head, face, throat etc. And, afflictions to various body parts> >should be visible in annual charts. I agree on that.> >> >But, serious afflictions (e.g. a brain tumor that a CT may uncover)> >should be visible in natal chart and I do not conclude such things> >just based on an affliction in the annual chart. An affliction to> >1st house in annual chart can be a harmless headache or a brain> >tumor. I can decide it only if I get the context from the natal> >chart. Thus, as far as big health problems are concerned, I will use> >the natal chart to decide them and annual charts only to narrow down.> >> >Regarding seeing body parts in D-6 and D-30, I cannot agree.> >> >Secondly, I prefer Nakshatra Pravesha to Tithi Pravesha to see> >events like your arm injury of 1999. Try compressed nakshatra dasa> >(Vimsottari if no conditional dasa applies) and also Shoola dasa.> >Give it a try with your examples and see if it is cleaner than TP in> >showing health problems.> >> >Sarvam SreeKrishnaarpanamastu,> >Narasimha> >-------------------------------> >Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net> >Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org> >Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org> >-------------------------------

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Namaste Narasimha,

At 08:03 PM 6/19/2006, you wrote:

Ketu-Venus

antardasa was running at the time. Ketu is the maraka lord of the 2nd

house. He is in a kroora drekkana. He afflicts the 3rd lord of arms,

Jupiter. From the 3rd house of arms, Venus is the 6th and 11th lord. The

bhoga (experienced) of Venus AD in Ketu MD is in Cancer, the 8th house of

trouble from the 3rd house of arms.

Yes, certainly there is plenty of evidence here to substantiate

such an injury during Ketu/Venus Vimsottari dasa. However, since

the rasi chart essentially indicates everything in a person's life, one

is not always on the look-out for these kinds of events. Then

again, maybe an astrologer should be when the MD lord is a maraka, and

the afflicted lagna lord is the AD graha.

Looking at the D-6 and D-30, you are right, that the specific body part

as well as type of injury are not indicated there. Apart from

derangement or imbalance of Tattvas (D-30), what types of things

therefore do you look for in D-6?

> Jaimini does

say that the 4th house - not the 3rd - should be looked

> at vis a vis the arms. Transit Mars and Saturn were both

debilitated

> at the time and aspecting the 4th house in my natal chart, but

> directly the 3rd and 3rd lord in the TP chart.

 

In the NP chart, Jupiter is the 3rd and 6th lord and a functional

malefic. He is in Aq (hills) and closely aspects lagna lord Venus. This

shows the possibility of an accident. Presence of nodes near Jupiter and

Venus increases the chance of an accident. Rahu is the dispositor of 3rd

lord Jupiter and afflicts Jupiter and 3rd house by aspect. He afflicts

lagna lord Venus too. He is in A8 (mrityu pada), in the 3rd from AL. He

is in a kroora drekkana.

The NP does indicate this in graphic terms, as you say it gives a

" cleaner " view of the event than the TP chart gives. Do

you use NP charts because of the relation between Vayu tattva and Saturn,

the karaka for 6/8/12 houses? In other words, is this the

rationale behind the approach?

It was the

compressed Vimsottari dasa of Rahu and the Shoola dasa of Leo (containing

Rahu) that caused the accident.

These dasas are absolutely accurate in the NP as pointers toward

the injury. I appreciate your pointing out this angle of view which

evidently is an aspect of the research you've been doing.

Best wishes, and thanks,

Robert

 

> Namaste Narasimha,

>

> Thank you for your views and I appreciate your perspectives.

No,

> your communication and dialogue are never a waste of time,

Narasimha,

> just the opposite in fact and always stimulating!

>

> Yes, I agree that major health problems should first be seen by way

 

> of the rasi chart and operative dasas and transits, and then

bringing

> the fine-tuning to bear by way of TP or NP charts. This

the way I

> used to use Tajaka Varshaphal, as for that there is a direct link

 

> between the solar return chart and the progressed annual ascendant

 

> (Muntha). True, if something does not appear to be dangerous

 

> physically from the rasi chart, then it is improbable that

> afflictions to various body parts in annual charts are going to

bring

> serious difficulties. I have noticed, however, that Tithi

Ashtottari

> dasa with TP charts is so accurate - on annual, monthly, and daily

 

> levels too - that I have to pay close attention to those and

" watch

> my back " when some really malefic dasa comes forward.

>

> Re: my injury: I mentioned it, because it appeared to me that

the

> indications of it were more graphic in the TP chart than in the

natal

> chart + dasas and transits. References to it by way of natal

 

> Vimsottari and Shataabdika dasas were vague. So far as

transits go,

> Jaimini does say that the 4th house - not the 3rd - should be looked

 

> at vis a vis the arms. Transit Mars and Saturn were both

debilitated

> at the time and aspecting the 4th house in my natal chart, but

> directly the 3rd and 3rd lord in the TP chart.

>

> Anyway, that is a good tip re: Naksatra Pravesh + compressed Vim.,

 

> Shoola, and applicable conditional dasas. Now that you've made

full

> access to these by way of JHora, there are no limits to the research

 

> possibilities!

>

> All the best,

> Robert

>

> At 07:30 AM 6/19/2006, you wrote:

> >Namaste Robert,

> >

> >When I typed that mail a in a hurry, I don't think I was

careful

> >with my words. I am sorry for wasting your time.

> >

> >The 1st, 2nd, 3rd etc houses in the rasi chart of TP do still

show

> >head, face, throat etc. And, afflictions to various body

parts

> >should be visible in annual charts. I agree on that.

> >

> >But, serious afflictions (e.g. a brain tumor that a CT may

uncover)

> >should be visible in natal chart and I do not conclude such

things

> >just based on an affliction in the annual chart. An affliction

to

> >1st house in annual chart can be a harmless headache or a

brain

> >tumor. I can decide it only if I get the context from the

natal

> >chart. Thus, as far as big health problems are concerned, I will

use

> >the natal chart to decide them and annual charts only to narrow

down.

> >

> >Regarding seeing body parts in D-6 and D-30, I cannot

agree.

> >

> >Secondly, I prefer Nakshatra Pravesha to Tithi Pravesha to

see

> >events like your arm injury of 1999. Try compressed nakshatra

dasa

> >(Vimsottari if no conditional dasa applies) and also Shoola

dasa.

> >Give it a try with your examples and see if it is cleaner than

TP in

> >showing health problems.

> >

> >Sarvam SreeKrishnaarpanamastu,

> >Narasimha

>

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>

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