Guest guest Posted June 14, 2006 Report Share Posted June 14, 2006 Dear All, I was taught: If anybody tells you that their Enlightened or know God, dont beleive them; everything is a part of God and life is already enlightened. For what its worth, Best wishes, Paul Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 14, 2006 Report Share Posted June 14, 2006 Dear Paul Has anyone told that he is enlightened ? I do not remember readings any such mails. regards / Prafulla Gang " Thunder is good, thunder is impressive; but it is lightning that does the work. > > navagrahas > Wed, 14 Jun 2006 13:41:30 -0000 > sohamsa > Truth and Lies > > Dear All, > > I was taught: > > If anybody tells you that their Enlightened or know God, dont beleive > them; everything is a part of God and life is already enlightened. > > For what its worth, > > Best wishes, > Paul Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 17, 2006 Report Share Posted June 17, 2006 Dear Paul, The point you brought up is very interesting and I want to *ramble* at length on it. Please ignore if my ramblings make no sense! > If anybody tells you that their Enlightened or know God, dont beleive > them; everything is a part of God and life is already enlightened. I agree and disagree. The argument that "everything is part of God and life is already enlightened" makes one think that nothing more needs to be done. I can only wish what you said was true. It is true that there is God in everything. If I think, it is god's energy that is present in my thinking process. If I am sleepy and I sleep, it is god's energy (a taamasik energy) that is present in that. If I feel compassion for a five year boy with a lukemia, it is god's energy that is present in that compassion. If I feel hungry, it is god's energy that is present in that hunger. Even in a serial killer's ruthlessness that makes him kill twenty people, it is basically a form of god's energy that is present. It is various forms of god's energy that is present in everything that exists. Thus, what you said is essentially true - everything is part of god. But there is one key point that is missing here. Let us go back to my previous "diamond analogy". In this analogy, the core of the diamond is the fomless divinity that pervades the entire universe and the faces with various attributes are various "forms" of divinity. The inner surfaces of the faces that are in touch with the core are the aakaasa tattva manifestations of various forms. The outer surfaces of the thick faces that seem opaque with various colors are the other lower manifestations of various forms. Is there no difference between one whose thoughts and actions are controlled by one of the deities representing an outermost surface of a really thick face of this diamond and one whose thoughts and actions are controlled by one of the deities representing an innermost surface of a face, that is in touch with the core? At the core, each of them is all-pervading Brahman only. But one has not fully realized it and will continue to exist in one form after the other, while the other is close to realizing it. Even though the core of the diamond in my analogy is actually not limited to any space & time and is all-pervading, the depiction of it close to the inner surfaces and away from the outer surfaces symbolizes that. What I am trying to say is this: Our will power is in tune with various energies of this universe. As we peel off layers and it becomes tuned with the will power of the root energy that is close to formlessness, we become close to self-realization. Of course, when self-realization comes, one may fully realize and appreciate the fact that even the outer forms (that had to be peeled off like layers of onion) were actually filled with Brahman only. But, such realization is not possible if you continue to be controlled by those energies. * * * What I am trying to say here is extremely difficult to express in words. Let me summarize it in totally different words. The formless reality (Brahman) that pervades *everything* in this universe is the true self (atman). It is unlimited and unblemished. However, manifested forms are limited and blemished. If one fully appreciates that one is not the form, but the formless reality pervading the form, one is self-realized. Without full appreciation of that, one is not self-realized. If there is even a small hint of self-identification with a form (e.g. a body), one has more sadhana to do. * * * I agree with your "don't believe them" part. A really enlightened person does not go around advertizing it or seeking publicity or followers. Most gurus who claim to be realized may not be so, in reality. That point, I agree on. In fact, complete self-realization does not come in one step in this Yuga. It is a long and slow process. It is possible that someone climbs Mount Kanchenjunga and thinks that it is Mount Everest. One who makes some progress in the path of self-realization can become satisfied at some stage and think that one is self-realized. Only a sadguru can save one from such a trap. Sarvam SreeKrishnaarpanamastu, Narasimha ------------------------------- Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org ------------------------------- > Dear All,> > I was taught:> > If anybody tells you that their Enlightened or know God, dont beleive > them; everything is a part of God and life is already enlightened.> > For what its worth,> > Best wishes,> Paul Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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