Guest guest Posted June 2, 2006 Report Share Posted June 2, 2006 | om gurave namah |Dear Narasimha/LakshmiWhy did Parasara talk of the Vishnu avataras in one full chapter of BPHS. Please bear in mind that Parasara is a Maharishi and not like most other Jyotisa authors because he is the author of the VISHNU Purana and has heard the word as indicated in his authorship (lack of better word) of the Rig Veda.What is said here in the slokas quoted are partially translated by you and I have also said the same thing in another mail and even today I have written a mail about surrender and the 12th house.In another mail you wrote" Though the formula at SJC is to take the occupant of the 12th house from AK in navamsa and to take the lord only if the house is empty, you can never be sure. For example, take Ramakrishna Paramahamsa. To me, it will be absurd to think that Kaali is not his ishta devata. His AK Rahu is in Cp in navamsa. The 12th from him has Sun, but the lord Jupiter in Aq with Mercury and Saturn dominates. Saturn in moolatrikona is his dispositor and Saturn ended up dominating. Through Kaali's worship, he experienced everything that there was to be experienced in this universe and transcended every experience. He is a sadhaka without comparison. Standard rules would not have resulted in Kaali being picked, but, if an astrologer suggested him Kaali worship when he was young, he did a great job!Of course, if Saturn shows Kaali, which variation? Should it be Smasaana Kaali or Bhadra Kaali or Taarana Kaali or some other form?My point is that there are umpteen parameters and the formulas don't work always. Mastering the implications of astrological combinations is difficult and understanding the nature of millions of deities we have is more difficult. So, we cannot rely on our limited understanding of Jyotish alone. There is really no substitute to sincere sadhana and surrendering to one's ishta devata. Then only one will be able to impact the lives of others in a positive way."The formula works and is based on tradition that lives. Even in the life of Sri Ramakrishna Paramhamsa, the first step was the 12th house from Karakamsa.Now it is your assumption that Sri Ramakrishna's Ista devata is Kali. I think the Ista devata is Shiva/Rama and Sri Ramakrishna achieved one-ness with Ista devata at a very young age. Look at his spiritual path and spiritual master Totapuri (Advaita Vedanta) which is the path of Shiva. Secondly when he was young, without anyone telling him, every morning he used to collect flowers from the garden and worship LORD RAMA (Raghuvir)...He came to Calcutta at 17 years of age with brother after father died and worked as priest at the houses of people. Rani Rashmani established the Dakshineswar temple in Bengali date 1262/18/Jyestha Snana-jatra day. The first priest was Thakur's eldest brother and Thakur would also do the Puja sometimes at the Kali temple. This is the Bhakti yoga of Lagna lord Saturn (Kali) in 9th house....the rest is history. That is perfect Bhakti when the lagna lord goes to the ninth house and is exalted (highest ideals) and retrograde (humility/complete submission) or in some cases, it can be combust in perfect oneness with the Sun which is also superb for spiritual awakening.Understanding the Bengal (also Orissa) SchoolWhat I am trying to say is that neither Thakur Ramakrishna nor Chaitanya Mahaprabhu have any problems with the pantheon of hindu deities, it is the other parts of India where great religious battles were fought between the Iyer's and Iyengar's and so many others even today due to a lack of true faith in this oneness of God. The first question that needs address within the soul of every person is 'Is God one for every creature?' and whether he truly believes in it. This oneness faith comes from Jupiter and that is why Prasna Marga and others have said that 'God should be seen from Jupiter'.Thakur Ramakrishna worshipped Rama and saw Krishna lying in the lap of Yashoda as well as Krishna tending the cows at Vrindavan and had great ecstacy. He was initiated into the path of Shiva (Advaita Vedanta) and even today is worshipped not in his pictures but in the Baneswara Shiva Linga. His spirituality was associated with Lord Rama Who travelled with him all the time and also found a nice place inside the Kali temple when he became the priest there (see idols of Ramakrishna below). Thakur would never enter the Kali temple without seeking the permission of Mahadeva (Lord Shiva) [Kathaamrita].Chaitanya Mahaprabhu always worshipped Lord Shiva and was even humiliated by the Iyengars of South India for worshipping Lord Shiva at Rameswara.-----------Data file (Kindly think and comment as these points are very vital)(A) Birth data for study: -I am giving the three birth data of Thakur Ramakrishna prepared by three different astrologers.1. Ambika Acharya, Kosthi (horoscope)prepared when Thakur fell sick.Bengal/Orissa date: 3rd Kartik 1286 (English 1879) gives the birth date as 1756 Sakabda 10 Phalgun Wednesday Sukla Dwitiya Purvabhadrapada nakshatra (For astrologers, the full data is 1756/10/9/59/12)2. Kshetranath Bhatta, Kosthiprepared the chart in 1300 SakaBengal/Orissa date: 1754 Sakabda 10 Phalgun Wednesday Purvabhadrapada (20 Feb 1833) Lagna Ravi Chandra Buddha, Kumbah rashi and the most famous prediction made was "Brihaspati Sukra yoga shall cause him to become a Sampradaya Prabhu" (For astrologers, the full data is 1754/10/9/0/12)3. Narayan Jyotirbhushan, Kosthiprepared by the RK MathBengal/Orissa date: 1242 Sale, 6 Plalgun Wednesday Feb 17 1836 morning 4 am Sukla dwitiya (For astrologers, the full data is 1757/10/5/59/28/21)(B) Spirituality points1. Thakur was appointed priest of the Radha-Krishna temple in Dakshineswar when his brother was the priest of the Kali temple2. The temple which is called Kali temple and the deity which is called Kali temple at Dakshineswara is actually "Bhava Taarini" temple i.e. temple of TARA and the deity is actually BhavaTaariNi Ma! And in Bengal people do not differentiate between Kali and Tara. [Was it Jupiter in 5th house or Saturn in 9th house???]3. Thakur, like all good Brahmin from Bengal/Orissa always carried his 'Narayana Shila' which was always found in the temple next to the deity4. Lord Rama stayed with Thakur from his earliest childhood till his last breath and one asta-dhaatu Rama idol was kept near the Bhava Tarini idol at Dakshineswar where he worshipped daily.5. Of course we cannot ignore his famour Baneswara Shiva Linga - the yellow Shiva lingaI cannot end this letter as this topic is never ending...so lets just keep walking.Best wishes and warm regards,Sanjay RathPersonal: WebPages ◠Rath’s RhapsodySJC WebPages: Sri Jagannath Center ◠SJCERC ◠JIVAPublications: The Jyotish Digest ◠Sagittarius Publications----sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of Narasimha P.V.R. RaoFriday, June 02, 2006 7:26 AMsohamsa ; vedic astrology ; ; sjcBoston Subject: What Parasara Advocates...Dear Lakshmi,I appreciate what you wrote in your mail. But, I want to strike a different note on the following thing you wrote:> THere is so much variation, but now we read Parasara advocates> offering a Vishnu form for Isthadevata , but modernizing it for> different cultures and religions we can.[background for non-SJC people: In the SJC tradition, the devata corresponding to a planet in the 12th house from AK in navamsa is called ishta devata and supposed to take one towards moksha.]Can you please quote the verse in which Parasara advocates offering a Vishnu form for ishtadevata? I missed that verse when I studied BPHS.Parasara did associate planets with Vishnu's avataras at the beginning of BPHS. But, as far as I know, Parsara he did not talk about Vishnu's avataras when he talked about worshipping a devata based on the planets in the 12th house from karakamsa.The following verses are from the 33rd chapter in BPHS (on Karakamsa):kArakAMshAd.h vyayasthAne svabhochchasthe shubhagrahe |sad.hgatirjAyate tasya shubhalokamavApnuyAt.h || 64||kArakAMshAd.h vyaye ketau shubhakheTayutexite |tadA tu jAyate muktiH sAyujyapadamApnuyAt.h || 65||meshhe dhanushhi vA ketau kArakAMshAt.h vyaye sthite |shubhakheTena sandR^ishhTe sAyujapadamApnuyAt.h || 66||vyaye cha kevale ketau pApayuktexitepi vA |na tadA jAyate muktiH shubhalokaM na pashyati || 67||raviNA saMyute ketau kArakAMshAd.h vyayasthite |shivabhaktirbhavesyatta nirvishaMkaM dvijottama || 68||chandreNa saMyute ketau kArakAMshAd.h vyayasthite |gauryAM bhaktirbhavettasya shAktiko jAyate naraH || 69||shukreNa saMyute ketau kArakAMshAd.h vyayasthite |laxmyAM saJNjAyate bhaktirjAtako sau samR^iddhimAn.h || 70||kujena saMyute ketau skandabhaktau bhavennaraH |vaishhNavo budhasauribhyAM guruNA shivabhaktimAn.h || 71||rAhuNA tAmasIM durgAM sevate xudradevatAm.h |bhaktiH skande.atha herabhbhe shikhinA kevalena vA || 72||kArakAMshAd.h vyaye sauriH pAparAshau yadA bhavet.h |tadA.api xudradevasya bhaktistasya na saMshayaH || 73||Here is a rough translation:"If a benefic planet is in own sign or exaltation sign in the 12th house from karakamsa (AK in navamsa), the native will reach an auspicious loka. If Ketu is there, with benefic planet conjunction or aspect, then moksha/sayujya is obtained. If such a Ketu is in Aries or Sagittarius, aspected by a benefic planet, then sayujya (joining one of the deities - different from moksha, but almost as good) is obtained. If Ketu in 12th is alone or conjoined/aspected by malefics, the native neither gets moksha nor reaches higher lokas. If Ketu is with Sun in the 12th from karakamsa, devotion to Shiva is suggested without doubt. If Ketu is with Moon in the 12th from karakamsa, devotion to Gouri is suggested and a Shaakta is born. If Ketu is with Venus in the 12th from karakamsa, devotion to Lakshmi is caused and the native is blessed. If Ketu is with Mars, native will be a devotee of Skanda. Mercury and Saturn make one a Vaishnava, while Jupiter makes one a devotee of Shiva. In the case of Rahu, native worships tamasi form Durga or kshudra devatas. If Ketu is alone, then devotion is to Skanda or Ganesha. If Saturn in the 12th from karakamsa is in a malefic sign, then native devotes to a kshudra devata [instead of Vishnu] without doubt. "The way we find ishta devata in the SJC tradition is NOT from Parasara. It has similarities, but you will see what Parasara said above and it is not the same as what SJC tradition teaches. Moreover, there is no reference to Vishnu's avataras here.I have no disrespect for either tradition, but, as Parasara's name was brought up, I wanted to throw light on what I believe Parasara advocated.May the light of Brahman shine within,Narasimha-------------------------------Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.netFree Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.orgSri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org------------------------------- --Posted by Pt.Sanjay Rath to Rath's Rhapsody at 6/02/2006 11:53:00 AM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 2, 2006 Report Share Posted June 2, 2006 Shri Brahmadaru Smarami Dear List, In tune to the present thread, I just wanted to give a favourite quote of mine from Sri Ramakrishna: "Once your tears fall or heart gets excited at Harinaam or Ramnaam, there is no need for sandhya and other karmas. For karma would have left you automatically. Then all you need to do is Harinaam or Ramnaam or pure Omkara japa. Sandhya merges into Gayatri and the Gayatri merges into the Omkara." Best Regards, Sarbani Sarkar http://sarbani.com sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of Pt.Sanjay RathFriday, June 02, 2006 11:58 AMsohamsa Subject: [Rath's Rhapsody] Thakur Ramakrishna | om gurave namah |Dear Narasimha/LakshmiWhy did Parasara talk of the Vishnu avataras in one full chapter of BPHS. Please bear in mind that Parasara is a Maharishi and not like most other Jyotisa authors because he is the author of the VISHNU Purana and has heard the word as indicated in his authorship (lack of better word) of the Rig Veda.What is said here in the slokas quoted are partially translated by you and I have also said the same thing in another mail and even today I have written a mail about surrender and the 12th house.In another mail you wrote" Though the formula at SJC is to take the occupant of the 12th house from AK in navamsa and to take the lord only if the house is empty, you can never be sure. For example, take Ramakrishna Paramahamsa. To me, it will be absurd to think that Kaali is not his ishta devata. His AK Rahu is in Cp in navamsa. The 12th from him has Sun, but the lord Jupiter in Aq with Mercury and Saturn dominates. Saturn in moolatrikona is his dispositor and Saturn ended up dominating. Through Kaali's worship, he experienced everything that there was to be experienced in this universe and transcended every experience. He is a sadhaka without comparison. Standard rules would not have resulted in Kaali being picked, but, if an astrologer suggested him Kaali worship when he was young, he did a great job!Of course, if Saturn shows Kaali, which variation? Should it be Smasaana Kaali or Bhadra Kaali or Taarana Kaali or some other form?My point is that there are umpteen parameters and the formulas don't work always. Mastering the implications of astrological combinations is difficult and understanding the nature of millions of deities we have is more difficult. So, we cannot rely on our limited understanding of Jyotish alone. There is really no substitute to sincere sadhana and surrendering to one's ishta devata. Then only one will be able to impact the lives of others in a positive way."The formula works and is based on tradition that lives. Even in the life of Sri Ramakrishna Paramhamsa, the first step was the 12th house from Karakamsa.Now it is your assumption that Sri Ramakrishna's Ista devata is Kali. I think the Ista devata is Shiva/Rama and Sri Ramakrishna achieved one-ness with Ista devata at a very young age. Look at his spiritual path and spiritual master Totapuri (Advaita Vedanta) which is the path of Shiva. Secondly when he was young, without anyone telling him, every morning he used to collect flowers from the garden and worship LORD RAMA (Raghuvir)...He came to Calcutta at 17 years of age with brother after father died and worked as priest at the houses of people. Rani Rashmani established the Dakshineswar temple in Bengali date 1262/18/Jyestha Snana-jatra day. The first priest was Thakur's eldest brother and Thakur would also do the Puja sometimes at the Kali temple. This is the Bhakti yoga of Lagna lord Saturn (Kali) in 9th house....the rest is history. That is perfect Bhakti when the lagna lord goes to the ninth house and is exalted (highest ideals) and retrograde (humility/complete submission) or in some cases, it can be combust in perfect oneness with the Sun which is also superb for spiritual awakening.Understanding the Bengal (also Orissa) SchoolWhat I am trying to say is that neither Thakur Ramakrishna nor Chaitanya Mahaprabhu have any problems with the pantheon of hindu deities, it is the other parts of India where great religious battles were fought between the Iyer's and Iyengar's and so many others even today due to a lack of true faith in this oneness of God. The first question that needs address within the soul of every person is 'Is God one for every creature?' and whether he truly believes in it. This oneness faith comes from Jupiter and that is why Prasna Marga and others have said that 'God should be seen from Jupiter'.Thakur Ramakrishna worshipped Rama and saw Krishna lying in the lap of Yashoda as well as Krishna tending the cows at Vrindavan and had great ecstacy. He was initiated into the path of Shiva (Advaita Vedanta) and even today is worshipped not in his pictures but in the Baneswara Shiva Linga. His spirituality was associated with Lord Rama Who travelled with him all the time and also found a nice place inside the Kali temple when he became the priest there (see idols of Ramakrishna below). Thakur would never enter the Kali temple without seeking the permission of Mahadeva (Lord Shiva) [Kathaamrita].Chaitanya Mahaprabhu always worshipped Lord Shiva and was even humiliated by the Iyengars of South India for worshipping Lord Shiva at Rameswara.-----------Data file (Kindly think and comment as these points are very vital)(A) Birth data for study: -I am giving the three birth data of Thakur Ramakrishna prepared by three different astrologers.1. Ambika Acharya, Kosthi (horoscope)prepared when Thakur fell sick.Bengal/Orissa date: 3rd Kartik 1286 (English 1879) gives the birth date as 1756 Sakabda 10 Phalgun Wednesday Sukla Dwitiya Purvabhadrapada nakshatra (For astrologers, the full data is 1756/10/9/59/12)2. Kshetranath Bhatta, Kosthiprepared the chart in 1300 SakaBengal/Orissa date: 1754 Sakabda 10 Phalgun Wednesday Purvabhadrapada (20 Feb 1833) Lagna Ravi Chandra Buddha, Kumbah rashi and the most famous prediction made was "Brihaspati Sukra yoga shall cause him to become a Sampradaya Prabhu" (For astrologers, the full data is 1754/10/9/0/12)3. Narayan Jyotirbhushan, Kosthiprepared by the RK MathBengal/Orissa date: 1242 Sale, 6 Plalgun Wednesday Feb 17 1836 morning 4 am Sukla dwitiya (For astrologers, the full data is 1757/10/5/59/28/21)(B) Spirituality points1. Thakur was appointed priest of the Radha-Krishna temple in Dakshineswar when his brother was the priest of the Kali temple2. The temple which is called Kali temple and the deity which is called Kali temple at Dakshineswara is actually "Bhava Taarini" temple i.e. temple of TARA and the deity is actually BhavaTaariNi Ma! And in Bengal people do not differentiate between Kali and Tara. [Was it Jupiter in 5th house or Saturn in 9th house???]3. Thakur, like all good Brahmin from Bengal/Orissa always carried his 'Narayana Shila' which was always found in the temple next to the deity4. Lord Rama stayed with Thakur from his earliest childhood till his last breath and one asta-dhaatu Rama idol was kept near the Bhava Tarini idol at Dakshineswar where he worshipped daily.5. Of course we cannot ignore his famour Baneswara Shiva Linga - the yellow Shiva lingaI cannot end this letter as this topic is never ending...so lets just keep walking.Best wishes and warm regards,Sanjay RathPersonal: WebPages ¡ü Rath¡Çs RhapsodySJC WebPages: Sri Jagannath Center ¡ü SJCERC ¡ü JIVAPublications: The Jyotish Digest ¡ü Sagittarius Publications----sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of Narasimha P.V.R. RaoFriday, June 02, 2006 7:26 AMsohamsa ; vedic astrology ; ; sjcBoston Subject: What Parasara Advocates...Dear Lakshmi,I appreciate what you wrote in your mail. But, I want to strike a different note on the following thing you wrote:> THere is so much variation, but now we read Parasara advocates> offering a Vishnu form for Isthadevata , but modernizing it for> different cultures and religions we can.[background for non-SJC people: In the SJC tradition, the devata corresponding to a planet in the 12th house from AK in navamsa is called ishta devata and supposed to take one towards moksha.]Can you please quote the verse in which Parasara advocates offering a Vishnu form for ishtadevata? I missed that verse when I studied BPHS.Parasara did associate planets with Vishnu's avataras at the beginning of BPHS. But, as far as I know, Parsara he did not talk about Vishnu's avataras when he talked about worshipping a devata based on the planets in the 12th house from karakamsa.The following verses are from the 33rd chapter in BPHS (on Karakamsa):kArakAMshAd.h vyayasthAne svabhochchasthe shubhagrahe |sad.hgatirjAyate tasya shubhalokamavApnuyAt.h || 64||kArakAMshAd.h vyaye ketau shubhakheTayutexite |tadA tu jAyate muktiH sAyujyapadamApnuyAt.h || 65||meshhe dhanushhi vA ketau kArakAMshAt.h vyaye sthite |shubhakheTena sandR^ishhTe sAyujapadamApnuyAt.h || 66||vyaye cha kevale ketau pApayuktexitepi vA |na tadA jAyate muktiH shubhalokaM na pashyati || 67||raviNA saMyute ketau kArakAMshAd.h vyayasthite |shivabhaktirbhavesyatta nirvishaMkaM dvijottama || 68||chandreNa saMyute ketau kArakAMshAd.h vyayasthite |gauryAM bhaktirbhavettasya shAktiko jAyate naraH || 69||shukreNa saMyute ketau kArakAMshAd.h vyayasthite |laxmyAM saJNjAyate bhaktirjAtako sau samR^iddhimAn.h || 70||kujena saMyute ketau skandabhaktau bhavennaraH |vaishhNavo budhasauribhyAM guruNA shivabhaktimAn.h || 71||rAhuNA tAmasIM durgAM sevate xudradevatAm.h |bhaktiH skande.atha herabhbhe shikhinA kevalena vA || 72||kArakAMshAd.h vyaye sauriH pAparAshau yadA bhavet.h |tadA.api xudradevasya bhaktistasya na saMshayaH || 73||Here is a rough translation:"If a benefic planet is in own sign or exaltation sign in the 12th house from karakamsa (AK in navamsa), the native will reach an auspicious loka. If Ketu is there, with benefic planet conjunction or aspect, then moksha/sayujya is obtained. If such a Ketu is in Aries or Sagittarius, aspected by a benefic planet, then sayujya (joining one of the deities - different from moksha, but almost as good) is obtained. If Ketu in 12th is alone or conjoined/aspected by malefics, the native neither gets moksha nor reaches higher lokas. If Ketu is with Sun in the 12th from karakamsa, devotion to Shiva is suggested without doubt. If Ketu is with Moon in the 12th from karakamsa, devotion to Gouri is suggested and a Shaakta is born. If Ketu is with Venus in the 12th from karakamsa, devotion to Lakshmi is caused and the native is blessed. If Ketu is with Mars, native will be a devotee of Skanda. Mercury and Saturn make one a Vaishnava, while Jupiter makes one a devotee of Shiva. In the case of Rahu, native worships tamasi form Durga or kshudra devatas. If Ketu is alone, then devotion is to Skanda or Ganesha. If Saturn in the 12th from karakamsa is in a malefic sign, then native devotes to a kshudra devata [instead of Vishnu] without doubt. "The way we find ishta devata in the SJC tradition is NOT from Parasara. It has similarities, but you will see what Parasara said above and it is not the same as what SJC tradition teaches. Moreover, there is no reference to Vishnu's avataras here.I have no disrespect for either tradition, but, as Parasara's name was brought up, I wanted to throw light on what I believe Parasara advocated.May the light of Brahman shine within,Narasimha-------------------------------Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.netFree Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.orgSri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org------------------------------- --Posted by Pt.Sanjay Rath to Rath's Rhapsody at 6/02/2006 11:53:00 AM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 2, 2006 Report Share Posted June 2, 2006 Dear Sarbani, I liked the quote very much. Love, Vinita sohamsa , " Sarbani Sarkar " <sarbani wrote: > > Shri Brahmadaru Smarami > > Dear List, > > In tune to the present thread, I just wanted to give a favourite quote of > mine from Sri Ramakrishna: > > " Once your tears fall or heart gets excited at Harinaam or Ramnaam, there is > no need for sandhya and other karmas. For karma would have left you > automatically. Then all you need to do is Harinaam or Ramnaam or pure Omkara > japa. Sandhya merges into Gayatri and the Gayatri merges into the Omkara. " > > > Best Regards, > > Sarbani Sarkar > http://sarbani.com <http://sarbani.com/> > > > > > _____ > > sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of > Pt.Sanjay Rath > Friday, June 02, 2006 11:58 AM > sohamsa > [Rath's Rhapsody] Thakur Ramakrishna > > > | om gurave namah | > Dear Narasimha/Lakshmi > Why did Parasara talk of the Vishnu avataras in one full chapter of BPHS. > Please bear in mind that Parasara is a Maharishi and not like most other > Jyotisa authors because he is the author of the VISHNU Purana and has heard > the word as indicated in his authorship (lack of better word) of the Rig > Veda. > What is said here in the slokas quoted are partially translated by you and I > have also said the same thing in another mail and even today I have written > a mail about surrender and the 12th house. > In another mail you wrote > " Though the formula at SJC is to take the occupant of the 12th house from > AK in navamsa and to take the lord only if the house is empty, you can never > be sure. For example, take Ramakrishna Paramahamsa. To me, it will be absurd > to think that Kaali is not his ishta devata. His AK Rahu is in Cp in > navamsa. The 12th from him has Sun, but the lord Jupiter in Aq with Mercury > and Saturn dominates. Saturn in moolatrikona is his dispositor and Saturn > ended up dominating. Through Kaali's worship, he experienced everything that > there was to be experienced in this universe and transcended every > experience. He is a sadhaka without comparison. Standard rules would not > have resulted in Kaali being picked, but, if an astrologer suggested him > Kaali worship when he was young, he did a great job! > > Of course, if Saturn shows Kaali, which variation? Should it be Smasaana > Kaali or Bhadra Kaali or Taarana Kaali or some other form? > > My point is that there are umpteen parameters and the formulas don't work > always. Mastering the implications of astrological combinations is difficult > and understanding the nature of millions of deities we have is more > difficult. So, we cannot rely on our limited understanding of Jyotish alone. > There is really no substitute to sincere sadhana and surrendering to one's > ishta devata. Then only one will be able to impact the lives of others in a > positive way. " > > The formula works and is based on tradition that lives. Even in the life of > Sri Ramakrishna Paramhamsa, the first step was the 12th house from > Karakamsa. > > Now it is your assumption that Sri Ramakrishna's Ista devata is Kali. I > think the Ista devata is Shiva/Rama and Sri Ramakrishna achieved one-ness > with Ista devata at a very young age. Look at his spiritual path and > spiritual master Totapuri (Advaita Vedanta) which is the path of Shiva. > Secondly when he was young, without anyone telling him, every morning he > used to collect flowers from the garden and worship LORD RAMA (Raghuvir)... > > He came to Calcutta at 17 years of age with brother after father died and > worked as priest at the houses of people. Rani Rashmani established the > Dakshineswar temple in Bengali date 1262/18/Jyestha Snana-jatra day. The > first priest was Thakur's eldest brother and Thakur would also do the Puja > sometimes at the Kali temple. This is the Bhakti yoga of Lagna lord Saturn > (Kali) in 9th house....the rest is history. That is perfect Bhakti when the > lagna lord goes to the ninth house and is exalted (highest ideals) and > retrograde (humility/complete submission) or in some cases, it can be > combust in perfect oneness with the Sun which is also superb for spiritual > awakening. > > Understanding the Bengal (also Orissa) School > What I am trying to say is that neither Thakur Ramakrishna nor Chaitanya > Mahaprabhu have any problems with the pantheon of hindu deities, it is the > other parts of India where great religious battles were fought between the > Iyer's and Iyengar's and so many others even today due to a lack of true > faith in this oneness of God. The first question that needs address within > the soul of every person is 'Is God one for every creature?' and whether he > truly believes in it. This oneness faith comes from Jupiter and that is why > Prasna Marga and others have said that 'God should be seen from Jupiter'. > > Thakur Ramakrishna worshipped Rama and saw Krishna lying in the lap of > Yashoda as well as Krishna tending the cows at Vrindavan and had great > ecstacy. He was initiated into the path of Shiva (Advaita Vedanta) and even > today is worshipped not in his pictures but in the Baneswara Shiva Linga. > His spirituality was associated with Lord Rama Who travelled with him all > the time and also found a nice place inside the Kali temple when he became > the priest there (see idols of Ramakrishna below). Thakur would never enter > the Kali temple without seeking the permission of Mahadeva (Lord Shiva) > [Kathaamrita]. > > Chaitanya Mahaprabhu always worshipped Lord Shiva and was even humiliated by > the Iyengars of South India for worshipping Lord Shiva at Rameswara. > ----------- > > Data file (Kindly think and comment as these points are very vital) > > (A) Birth data for study: - > I am giving the three birth data of Thakur Ramakrishna prepared by three > different astrologers. > 1. Ambika Acharya, Kosthi (horoscope) > prepared when Thakur fell sick. > Bengal/Orissa date: 3rd Kartik 1286 (English 1879) gives the birth date as > 1756 Sakabda 10 Phalgun Wednesday Sukla Dwitiya Purvabhadrapada nakshatra > (For astrologers, the full data is 1756/10/9/59/12) > > 2. Kshetranath Bhatta, Kosthi > prepared the chart in 1300 Saka > Bengal/Orissa date: 1754 Sakabda 10 Phalgun Wednesday Purvabhadrapada (20 > Feb 1833) Lagna Ravi Chandra Buddha, Kumbah rashi and the most famous > prediction made was " Brihaspati Sukra yoga shall cause him to become a > Sampradaya Prabhu " (For astrologers, the full data is 1754/10/9/0/12) > > 3. Narayan Jyotirbhushan, Kosthi > prepared by the RK Math > Bengal/Orissa date: 1242 Sale, 6 Plalgun Wednesday Feb 17 1836 morning 4 am > Sukla dwitiya (For astrologers, the full data is 1757/10/5/59/28/21) > > (B) Spirituality points > 1. Thakur was appointed priest of the Radha-Krishna temple in Dakshineswar > when his brother was the priest of the Kali temple > 2. The temple which is called Kali temple and the deity which is called Kali > temple at Dakshineswara is actually " Bhava Taarini " temple i.e. temple of > TARA and the deity is actually BhavaTaariNi Ma! And in Bengal people do not > differentiate between Kali and Tara. [Was it Jupiter in 5th house or Saturn > in 9th house???] > 3. Thakur, like all good Brahmin from Bengal/Orissa always carried his > 'Narayana Shila' which was always found in the temple next to the deity > 4. Lord Rama stayed with Thakur from his earliest childhood till his last > breath and one asta-dhaatu Rama idol was kept near the Bhava Tarini idol at > Dakshineswar where he worshipped daily. > 5. Of course we cannot ignore his famour Baneswara Shiva Linga - the yellow > Shiva linga > > I cannot end this letter as this topic is never ending...so lets just keep > walking. > Best wishes and warm regards, > Sanjay Rath > > Personal: WebPages ¡ü Rath¡Çs Rhapsody > SJC WebPages: Sri Jagannath Center ¡ü SJCERC ¡ü JIVA > Publications: The Jyotish Digest ¡ü Sagittarius Publications > - --- > > > sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of > Narasimha P.V.R. Rao > Friday, June 02, 2006 7:26 AM > sohamsa ; vedic astrology ; > ; sjcBoston > What Parasara Advocates... > > Dear Lakshmi, > > I appreciate what you wrote in your mail. But, I want to strike a different > note on the following thing you wrote: > > > THere is so much variation, but now we read Parasara advocates > > offering a Vishnu form for Isthadevata , but modernizing it for > > different cultures and religions we can. > > [background for non-SJC people: In the SJC tradition, the devata > corresponding to a planet in the 12th house from AK in navamsa is called > ishta devata and supposed to take one towards moksha.] > > Can you please quote the verse in which Parasara advocates offering a Vishnu > form for ishtadevata? I missed that verse when I studied BPHS. > > Parasara did associate planets with Vishnu's avataras at the beginning of > BPHS. But, as far as I know, Parsara he did not talk about Vishnu's avataras > when he talked about worshipping a devata based on the planets in the 12th > house from karakamsa. > > The following verses are from the 33rd chapter in BPHS (on Karakamsa): > > kArakAMshAd.h vyayasthAne svabhochchasthe shubhagrahe | > sad.hgatirjAyate tasya shubhalokamavApnuyAt.h || 64|| > kArakAMshAd.h vyaye ketau shubhakheTayutexite | > tadA tu jAyate muktiH sAyujyapadamApnuyAt.h || 65|| > meshhe dhanushhi vA ketau kArakAMshAt.h vyaye sthite | > shubhakheTena sandR^ishhTe sAyujapadamApnuyAt.h || 66|| > vyaye cha kevale ketau pApayuktexitepi vA | > na tadA jAyate muktiH shubhalokaM na pashyati || 67|| > raviNA saMyute ketau kArakAMshAd.h vyayasthite | > shivabhaktirbhavesyatta nirvishaMkaM dvijottama || 68|| > chandreNa saMyute ketau kArakAMshAd.h vyayasthite | > gauryAM bhaktirbhavettasya shAktiko jAyate naraH || 69|| > shukreNa saMyute ketau kArakAMshAd.h vyayasthite | > laxmyAM saJNjAyate bhaktirjAtako sau samR^iddhimAn.h || 70|| > kujena saMyute ketau skandabhaktau bhavennaraH | > vaishhNavo budhasauribhyAM guruNA shivabhaktimAn.h || 71|| > rAhuNA tAmasIM durgAM sevate xudradevatAm.h | > bhaktiH skande.atha herabhbhe shikhinA kevalena vA || 72|| > kArakAMshAd.h vyaye sauriH pAparAshau yadA bhavet.h | > tadA.api xudradevasya bhaktistasya na saMshayaH || 73|| > > Here is a rough translation: > > " If a benefic planet is in own sign or exaltation sign in the 12th house > from karakamsa (AK in navamsa), the native will reach an auspicious loka. If > Ketu is there, with benefic planet conjunction or aspect, then > moksha/sayujya is obtained. If such a Ketu is in Aries or Sagittarius, > aspected by a benefic planet, then sayujya (joining one of the deities - > different from moksha, but almost as good) is obtained. If Ketu in 12th is > alone or conjoined/aspected by malefics, the native neither gets moksha nor > reaches higher lokas. If Ketu is with Sun in the 12th from karakamsa, > devotion to Shiva is suggested without doubt. If Ketu is with Moon in the > 12th from karakamsa, devotion to Gouri is suggested and a Shaakta is born. > If Ketu is with Venus in the 12th from karakamsa, devotion to Lakshmi is > caused and the native is blessed. If Ketu is with Mars, native will be a > devotee of Skanda. Mercury and Saturn make one a Vaishnava, while Jupiter > makes one a devotee of Shiva. In the case of Rahu, native worships tamasi > form Durga or kshudra devatas. If Ketu is alone, then devotion is to Skanda > or Ganesha. If Saturn in the 12th from karakamsa is in a malefic sign, then > native devotes to a kshudra devata [instead of Vishnu] without doubt. " > > The way we find ishta devata in the SJC tradition is NOT from Parasara. It > has similarities, but you will see what Parasara said above and it is not > the same as what SJC tradition teaches. Moreover, there is no reference to > Vishnu's avataras here. > > I have no disrespect for either tradition, but, as Parasara's name was > brought up, I wanted to throw light on what I believe Parasara advocated. > > May the light of Brahman shine within, > Narasimha > ------------------------------- > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org > ------------------------------- > > -- > Posted by Pt.Sanjay Rath to Rath's Rhapsody > <http://srath.com/blog/2006/06/thakur-ramakrishna.html> at 6/02/2006 11:53: > 00 AM > > *tat savitur varenyam* > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 2, 2006 Report Share Posted June 2, 2006 Param Guru Sanjay Rathji and members, Link: http://www.eng.vedanta.ru/library/prabuddha_bharata/shakti_worship_and _sri_ramakrishna_nov2004.php " Under the directions of Yogeshvari Brahmani, Sri Ramakrishna practised all the sixty-four Tantric disciplines. There is a subtle intermingling of moods in these sixty-four methods. Gradually, he scaled the highest pinnacle of these methods of sadhana. Thereafter, he undertook Advaita sadhana under the tutelage of Totapuri. Being established in Advaitic knowledge, Sri Ramakrishna entered into the mood of the vijnani and remained a child of the Divine Mother. Coming down from nirvikalpa samadhi, he began enjoying the attitudes of devotee and devotion. The Brahmo leader Pratap Chandra Mazumdar wrote about Sri Ramakrishna: `He worships Shiva, he worships Kali, he worships Rama, he worships Krishna, and is a confirmed advocate of Vedantist doctrines. He is an idolater and is yet a faithful and most devoted meditator of the perfections of the one, formless, infinite Deity, whom he terms Akhanda Satchidananda.' According to Sri Ramakrishna, there is no difference between Kali, Krishna and Shiva. According to the Sammohana Tantra, he who distinguishes between Rama and Shiva is an idiot. " I have heard this saying in childhood. I donot know if these are the exact words of Thakur. " Ore pagol, jey Kali, shei Krishno " (dear fellow, Kali and Krshna are the same) ~Thakur Regards, Souvik sohamsa , " Sarbani Sarkar " <sarbani wrote: > > Shri Brahmadaru Smarami > > Dear List, > > In tune to the present thread, I just wanted to give a favourite quote of > mine from Sri Ramakrishna: > > " Once your tears fall or heart gets excited at Harinaam or Ramnaam, there is > no need for sandhya and other karmas. For karma would have left you > automatically. Then all you need to do is Harinaam or Ramnaam or pure Omkara > japa. Sandhya merges into Gayatri and the Gayatri merges into the Omkara. " > > > Best Regards, > > Sarbani Sarkar > http://sarbani.com <http://sarbani.com/> > > > > > _____ > > sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of > Pt.Sanjay Rath > Friday, June 02, 2006 11:58 AM > sohamsa > [Rath's Rhapsody] Thakur Ramakrishna > > > | om gurave namah | > Dear Narasimha/Lakshmi > Why did Parasara talk of the Vishnu avataras in one full chapter of BPHS. > Please bear in mind that Parasara is a Maharishi and not like most other > Jyotisa authors because he is the author of the VISHNU Purana and has heard > the word as indicated in his authorship (lack of better word) of the Rig > Veda. > What is said here in the slokas quoted are partially translated by you and I > have also said the same thing in another mail and even today I have written > a mail about surrender and the 12th house. > In another mail you wrote > " Though the formula at SJC is to take the occupant of the 12th house from > AK in navamsa and to take the lord only if the house is empty, you can never > be sure. For example, take Ramakrishna Paramahamsa. To me, it will be absurd > to think that Kaali is not his ishta devata. His AK Rahu is in Cp in > navamsa. The 12th from him has Sun, but the lord Jupiter in Aq with Mercury > and Saturn dominates. Saturn in moolatrikona is his dispositor and Saturn > ended up dominating. Through Kaali's worship, he experienced everything that > there was to be experienced in this universe and transcended every > experience. He is a sadhaka without comparison. Standard rules would not > have resulted in Kaali being picked, but, if an astrologer suggested him > Kaali worship when he was young, he did a great job! > > Of course, if Saturn shows Kaali, which variation? Should it be Smasaana > Kaali or Bhadra Kaali or Taarana Kaali or some other form? > > My point is that there are umpteen parameters and the formulas don't work > always. Mastering the implications of astrological combinations is difficult > and understanding the nature of millions of deities we have is more > difficult. So, we cannot rely on our limited understanding of Jyotish alone. > There is really no substitute to sincere sadhana and surrendering to one's > ishta devata. Then only one will be able to impact the lives of others in a > positive way. " > > The formula works and is based on tradition that lives. Even in the life of > Sri Ramakrishna Paramhamsa, the first step was the 12th house from > Karakamsa. > > Now it is your assumption that Sri Ramakrishna's Ista devata is Kali. I > think the Ista devata is Shiva/Rama and Sri Ramakrishna achieved one-ness > with Ista devata at a very young age. Look at his spiritual path and > spiritual master Totapuri (Advaita Vedanta) which is the path of Shiva. > Secondly when he was young, without anyone telling him, every morning he > used to collect flowers from the garden and worship LORD RAMA (Raghuvir)... > > He came to Calcutta at 17 years of age with brother after father died and > worked as priest at the houses of people. Rani Rashmani established the > Dakshineswar temple in Bengali date 1262/18/Jyestha Snana-jatra day. The > first priest was Thakur's eldest brother and Thakur would also do the Puja > sometimes at the Kali temple. This is the Bhakti yoga of Lagna lord Saturn > (Kali) in 9th house....the rest is history. That is perfect Bhakti when the > lagna lord goes to the ninth house and is exalted (highest ideals) and > retrograde (humility/complete submission) or in some cases, it can be > combust in perfect oneness with the Sun which is also superb for spiritual > awakening. > > Understanding the Bengal (also Orissa) School > What I am trying to say is that neither Thakur Ramakrishna nor Chaitanya > Mahaprabhu have any problems with the pantheon of hindu deities, it is the > other parts of India where great religious battles were fought between the > Iyer's and Iyengar's and so many others even today due to a lack of true > faith in this oneness of God. The first question that needs address within > the soul of every person is 'Is God one for every creature?' and whether he > truly believes in it. This oneness faith comes from Jupiter and that is why > Prasna Marga and others have said that 'God should be seen from Jupiter'. > > Thakur Ramakrishna worshipped Rama and saw Krishna lying in the lap of > Yashoda as well as Krishna tending the cows at Vrindavan and had great > ecstacy. He was initiated into the path of Shiva (Advaita Vedanta) and even > today is worshipped not in his pictures but in the Baneswara Shiva Linga. > His spirituality was associated with Lord Rama Who travelled with him all > the time and also found a nice place inside the Kali temple when he became > the priest there (see idols of Ramakrishna below). Thakur would never enter > the Kali temple without seeking the permission of Mahadeva (Lord Shiva) > [Kathaamrita]. > > Chaitanya Mahaprabhu always worshipped Lord Shiva and was even humiliated by > the Iyengars of South India for worshipping Lord Shiva at Rameswara. > ----------- > > Data file (Kindly think and comment as these points are very vital) > > (A) Birth data for study: - > I am giving the three birth data of Thakur Ramakrishna prepared by three > different astrologers. > 1. Ambika Acharya, Kosthi (horoscope) > prepared when Thakur fell sick. > Bengal/Orissa date: 3rd Kartik 1286 (English 1879) gives the birth date as > 1756 Sakabda 10 Phalgun Wednesday Sukla Dwitiya Purvabhadrapada nakshatra > (For astrologers, the full data is 1756/10/9/59/12) > > 2. Kshetranath Bhatta, Kosthi > prepared the chart in 1300 Saka > Bengal/Orissa date: 1754 Sakabda 10 Phalgun Wednesday Purvabhadrapada (20 > Feb 1833) Lagna Ravi Chandra Buddha, Kumbah rashi and the most famous > prediction made was " Brihaspati Sukra yoga shall cause him to become a > Sampradaya Prabhu " (For astrologers, the full data is 1754/10/9/0/12) > > 3. Narayan Jyotirbhushan, Kosthi > prepared by the RK Math > Bengal/Orissa date: 1242 Sale, 6 Plalgun Wednesday Feb 17 1836 morning 4 am > Sukla dwitiya (For astrologers, the full data is 1757/10/5/59/28/21) > > (B) Spirituality points > 1. Thakur was appointed priest of the Radha-Krishna temple in Dakshineswar > when his brother was the priest of the Kali temple > 2. The temple which is called Kali temple and the deity which is called Kali > temple at Dakshineswara is actually " Bhava Taarini " temple i.e. temple of > TARA and the deity is actually BhavaTaariNi Ma! And in Bengal people do not > differentiate between Kali and Tara. [Was it Jupiter in 5th house or Saturn > in 9th house???] > 3. Thakur, like all good Brahmin from Bengal/Orissa always carried his > 'Narayana Shila' which was always found in the temple next to the deity > 4. Lord Rama stayed with Thakur from his earliest childhood till his last > breath and one asta-dhaatu Rama idol was kept near the Bhava Tarini idol at > Dakshineswar where he worshipped daily. > 5. Of course we cannot ignore his famour Baneswara Shiva Linga - the yellow > Shiva linga > > I cannot end this letter as this topic is never ending...so lets just keep > walking. > Best wishes and warm regards, > Sanjay Rath > > Personal: WebPages ¡ü Rath¡Çs Rhapsody > SJC WebPages: Sri Jagannath Center ¡ü SJCERC ¡ü JIVA > Publications: The Jyotish Digest ¡ü Sagittarius Publications > -- -- > > > sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of > Narasimha P.V.R. Rao > Friday, June 02, 2006 7:26 AM > sohamsa ; vedic astrology ; > ; sjcBoston > What Parasara Advocates... > > Dear Lakshmi, > > I appreciate what you wrote in your mail. But, I want to strike a different > note on the following thing you wrote: > > > THere is so much variation, but now we read Parasara advocates > > offering a Vishnu form for Isthadevata , but modernizing it for > > different cultures and religions we can. > > [background for non-SJC people: In the SJC tradition, the devata > corresponding to a planet in the 12th house from AK in navamsa is called > ishta devata and supposed to take one towards moksha.] > > Can you please quote the verse in which Parasara advocates offering a Vishnu > form for ishtadevata? I missed that verse when I studied BPHS. > > Parasara did associate planets with Vishnu's avataras at the beginning of > BPHS. But, as far as I know, Parsara he did not talk about Vishnu's avataras > when he talked about worshipping a devata based on the planets in the 12th > house from karakamsa. > > The following verses are from the 33rd chapter in BPHS (on Karakamsa): > > kArakAMshAd.h vyayasthAne svabhochchasthe shubhagrahe | > sad.hgatirjAyate tasya shubhalokamavApnuyAt.h || 64|| > kArakAMshAd.h vyaye ketau shubhakheTayutexite | > tadA tu jAyate muktiH sAyujyapadamApnuyAt.h || 65|| > meshhe dhanushhi vA ketau kArakAMshAt.h vyaye sthite | > shubhakheTena sandR^ishhTe sAyujapadamApnuyAt.h || 66|| > vyaye cha kevale ketau pApayuktexitepi vA | > na tadA jAyate muktiH shubhalokaM na pashyati || 67|| > raviNA saMyute ketau kArakAMshAd.h vyayasthite | > shivabhaktirbhavesyatta nirvishaMkaM dvijottama || 68|| > chandreNa saMyute ketau kArakAMshAd.h vyayasthite | > gauryAM bhaktirbhavettasya shAktiko jAyate naraH || 69|| > shukreNa saMyute ketau kArakAMshAd.h vyayasthite | > laxmyAM saJNjAyate bhaktirjAtako sau samR^iddhimAn.h || 70|| > kujena saMyute ketau skandabhaktau bhavennaraH | > vaishhNavo budhasauribhyAM guruNA shivabhaktimAn.h || 71|| > rAhuNA tAmasIM durgAM sevate xudradevatAm.h | > bhaktiH skande.atha herabhbhe shikhinA kevalena vA || 72|| > kArakAMshAd.h vyaye sauriH pAparAshau yadA bhavet.h | > tadA.api xudradevasya bhaktistasya na saMshayaH || 73|| > > Here is a rough translation: > > " If a benefic planet is in own sign or exaltation sign in the 12th house > from karakamsa (AK in navamsa), the native will reach an auspicious loka. If > Ketu is there, with benefic planet conjunction or aspect, then > moksha/sayujya is obtained. If such a Ketu is in Aries or Sagittarius, > aspected by a benefic planet, then sayujya (joining one of the deities - > different from moksha, but almost as good) is obtained. If Ketu in 12th is > alone or conjoined/aspected by malefics, the native neither gets moksha nor > reaches higher lokas. If Ketu is with Sun in the 12th from karakamsa, > devotion to Shiva is suggested without doubt. If Ketu is with Moon in the > 12th from karakamsa, devotion to Gouri is suggested and a Shaakta is born. > If Ketu is with Venus in the 12th from karakamsa, devotion to Lakshmi is > caused and the native is blessed. If Ketu is with Mars, native will be a > devotee of Skanda. Mercury and Saturn make one a Vaishnava, while Jupiter > makes one a devotee of Shiva. In the case of Rahu, native worships tamasi > form Durga or kshudra devatas. If Ketu is alone, then devotion is to Skanda > or Ganesha. If Saturn in the 12th from karakamsa is in a malefic sign, then > native devotes to a kshudra devata [instead of Vishnu] without doubt. " > > The way we find ishta devata in the SJC tradition is NOT from Parasara. It > has similarities, but you will see what Parasara said above and it is not > the same as what SJC tradition teaches. Moreover, there is no reference to > Vishnu's avataras here. > > I have no disrespect for either tradition, but, as Parasara's name was > brought up, I wanted to throw light on what I believe Parasara advocated. > > May the light of Brahman shine within, > Narasimha > ------------------------------- > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org > ------------------------------- > > -- > Posted by Pt.Sanjay Rath to Rath's Rhapsody > <http://srath.com/blog/2006/06/thakur-ramakrishna.html> at 6/02/2006 11:53: > 00 AM > > *tat savitur varenyam* > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 2, 2006 Report Share Posted June 2, 2006 Jaya Jagannatha Dear Sarbani, Namaste Pure Omkara is the Vedas (THAT¡Çs a lot to absorb!) – the first sound is A and its colour is white (colour of a Brahmana). The letter is the initial mantra for the sadhaka to draw his yantra to help in his advancement in meditation. – Vayu tattva has to be quelled first (according to Narada Purana in the dialogue between Suka and Sanakumara). Vayu tattva can be seen in one¡Çs birth nakshatra. During the months Chaitra and Vaishakha, the Rasa is juicy/watery. The names of those months are Madhu and Madhava. – I was born during Chaitra during the freshness of Spring when one Soma was being given after Vishnu¡Çs triumph (the cogency in his sadhana) over the 2 asuras Madhu and Kaitabha¡Ä.. Love, Swee Love, Swee sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of Sarbani Sarkar Friday, June 02, 2006 11:37 AM sohamsa RE: [Rath's Rhapsody] Thakur Ramakrishna Shri Brahmadaru Smarami Dear List, In tune to the present thread, I just wanted to give a favourite quote of mine from Sri Ramakrishna: " Once your tears fall or heart gets excited at Harinaam or Ramnaam, there is no need for sandhya and other karmas. For karma would have left you automatically. Then all you need to do is Harinaam or Ramnaam or pure Omkara japa. Sandhya merges into Gayatri and the Gayatri merges into the Omkara. " Best Regards, Sarbani Sarkar http://sarbani.com sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of Pt.Sanjay Rath Friday, June 02, 2006 11:58 AM sohamsa [Rath's Rhapsody] Thakur Ramakrishna | om gurave namah | Dear Narasimha/Lakshmi Why did Parasara talk of the Vishnu avataras in one full chapter of BPHS. Please bear in mind that Parasara is a Maharishi and not like most other Jyotisa authors because he is the author of the VISHNU Purana and has heard the word as indicated in his authorship (lack of better word) of the Rig Veda. What is said here in the slokas quoted are partially translated by you and I have also said the same thing in another mail and even today I have written a mail about surrender and the 12th house. In another mail you wrote " Though the formula at SJC is to take the occupant of the 12th house from AK in navamsa and to take the lord only if the house is empty, you can never be sure. For example, take Ramakrishna Paramahamsa. To me, it will be absurd to think that Kaali is not his ishta devata. His AK Rahu is in Cp in navamsa. The 12th from him has Sun, but the lord Jupiter in Aq with Mercury and Saturn dominates. Saturn in moolatrikona is his dispositor and Saturn ended up dominating. Through Kaali's worship, he experienced everything that there was to be experienced in this universe and transcended every experience. He is a sadhaka without comparison. Standard rules would not have resulted in Kaali being picked, but, if an astrologer suggested him Kaali worship when he was young, he did a great job! Of course, if Saturn shows Kaali, which variation? Should it be Smasaana Kaali or Bhadra Kaali or Taarana Kaali or some other form? My point is that there are umpteen parameters and the formulas don't work always. Mastering the implications of astrological combinations is difficult and understanding the nature of millions of deities we have is more difficult. So, we cannot rely on our limited understanding of Jyotish alone. There is really no substitute to sincere sadhana and surrendering to one's ishta devata. Then only one will be able to impact the lives of others in a positive way. " The formula works and is based on tradition that lives. Even in the life of Sri Ramakrishna Paramhamsa, the first step was the 12th house from Karakamsa. Now it is your assumption that Sri Ramakrishna's Ista devata is Kali. I think the Ista devata is Shiva/Rama and Sri Ramakrishna achieved one-ness with Ista devata at a very young age. Look at his spiritual path and spiritual master Totapuri (Advaita Vedanta) which is the path of Shiva. Secondly when he was young, without anyone telling him, every morning he used to collect flowers from the garden and worship LORD RAMA (Raghuvir)... He came to Calcutta at 17 years of age with brother after father died and worked as priest at the houses of people. Rani Rashmani established the Dakshineswar temple in Bengali date 1262/18/Jyestha Snana-jatra day. The first priest was Thakur's eldest brother and Thakur would also do the Puja sometimes at the Kali temple. This is the Bhakti yoga of Lagna lord Saturn (Kali) in 9th house....the rest is history. That is perfect Bhakti when the lagna lord goes to the ninth house and is exalted (highest ideals) and retrograde (humility/complete submission) or in some cases, it can be combust in perfect oneness with the Sun which is also superb for spiritual awakening. Understanding the Bengal (also Orissa) School What I am trying to say is that neither Thakur Ramakrishna nor Chaitanya Mahaprabhu have any problems with the pantheon of hindu deities, it is the other parts of India where great religious battles were fought between the Iyer's and Iyengar's and so many others even today due to a lack of true faith in this oneness of God. The first question that needs address within the soul of every person is 'Is God one for every creature?' and whether he truly believes in it. This oneness faith comes from Jupiter and that is why Prasna Marga and others have said that 'God should be seen from Jupiter'. Thakur Ramakrishna worshipped Rama and saw Krishna lying in the lap of Yashoda as well as Krishna tending the cows at Vrindavan and had great ecstacy. He was initiated into the path of Shiva (Advaita Vedanta) and even today is worshipped not in his pictures but in the Baneswara Shiva Linga. His spirituality was associated with Lord Rama Who travelled with him all the time and also found a nice place inside the Kali temple when he became the priest there (see idols of Ramakrishna below). Thakur would never enter the Kali temple without seeking the permission of Mahadeva (Lord Shiva) [Kathaamrita]. Chaitanya Mahaprabhu always worshipped Lord Shiva and was even humiliated by the Iyengars of South India for worshipping Lord Shiva at Rameswara. ----------- Data file (Kindly think and comment as these points are very vital) (A) Birth data for study: - I am giving the three birth data of Thakur Ramakrishna prepared by three different astrologers. 1. Ambika Acharya, Kosthi (horoscope) prepared when Thakur fell sick. Bengal/Orissa date: 3rd Kartik 1286 (English 1879) gives the birth date as 1756 Sakabda 10 Phalgun Wednesday Sukla Dwitiya Purvabhadrapada nakshatra (For astrologers, the full data is 1756/10/9/59/12) 2. Kshetranath Bhatta, Kosthi prepared the chart in 1300 Saka Bengal/Orissa date: 1754 Sakabda 10 Phalgun Wednesday Purvabhadrapada (20 Feb 1833) Lagna Ravi Chandra Buddha, Kumbah rashi and the most famous prediction made was " Brihaspati Sukra yoga shall cause him to become a Sampradaya Prabhu " (For astrologers, the full data is 1754/10/9/0/12) 3. Narayan Jyotirbhushan, Kosthi prepared by the RK Math Bengal/Orissa date: 1242 Sale, 6 Plalgun Wednesday Feb 17 1836 morning 4 am Sukla dwitiya (For astrologers, the full data is 1757/10/5/59/28/21) (B) Spirituality points 1. Thakur was appointed priest of the Radha-Krishna temple in Dakshineswar when his brother was the priest of the Kali temple 2. The temple which is called Kali temple and the deity which is called Kali temple at Dakshineswara is actually " Bhava Taarini " temple i.e. temple of TARA and the deity is actually BhavaTaariNi Ma! And in Bengal people do not differentiate between Kali and Tara. [Was it Jupiter in 5th house or Saturn in 9th house???] 3. Thakur, like all good Brahmin from Bengal/Orissa always carried his 'Narayana Shila' which was always found in the temple next to the deity 4. Lord Rama stayed with Thakur from his earliest childhood till his last breath and one asta-dhaatu Rama idol was kept near the Bhava Tarini idol at Dakshineswar where he worshipped daily. 5. Of course we cannot ignore his famour Baneswara Shiva Linga - the yellow Shiva linga I cannot end this letter as this topic is never ending...so lets just keep walking. Best wishes and warm regards, Sanjay Rath Personal: WebPages ¡ü Rath¡Çs Rhapsody SJC WebPages: Sri Jagannath Center ¡ü SJCERC ¡ü JIVA Publications: The Jyotish Digest ¡ü Sagittarius Publications ---- sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of Narasimha P.V.R. Rao Friday, June 02, 2006 7:26 AM sohamsa ; vedic astrology ; ; sjcBoston What Parasara Advocates... Dear Lakshmi, I appreciate what you wrote in your mail. But, I want to strike a different note on the following thing you wrote: > THere is so much variation, but now we read Parasara advocates > offering a Vishnu form for Isthadevata , but modernizing it for > different cultures and religions we can. [background for non-SJC people: In the SJC tradition, the devata corresponding to a planet in the 12th house from AK in navamsa is called ishta devata and supposed to take one towards moksha.] Can you please quote the verse in which Parasara advocates offering a Vishnu form for ishtadevata? I missed that verse when I studied BPHS. Parasara did associate planets with Vishnu's avataras at the beginning of BPHS. But, as far as I know, Parsara he did not talk about Vishnu's avataras when he talked about worshipping a devata based on the planets in the 12th house from karakamsa. The following verses are from the 33rd chapter in BPHS (on Karakamsa): kArakAMshAd.h vyayasthAne svabhochchasthe shubhagrahe | sad.hgatirjAyate tasya shubhalokamavApnuyAt.h || 64|| kArakAMshAd.h vyaye ketau shubhakheTayutexite | tadA tu jAyate muktiH sAyujyapadamApnuyAt.h || 65|| meshhe dhanushhi vA ketau kArakAMshAt.h vyaye sthite | shubhakheTena sandR^ishhTe sAyujapadamApnuyAt.h || 66|| vyaye cha kevale ketau pApayuktexitepi vA | na tadA jAyate muktiH shubhalokaM na pashyati || 67|| raviNA saMyute ketau kArakAMshAd.h vyayasthite | shivabhaktirbhavesyatta nirvishaMkaM dvijottama || 68|| chandreNa saMyute ketau kArakAMshAd.h vyayasthite | gauryAM bhaktirbhavettasya shAktiko jAyate naraH || 69|| shukreNa saMyute ketau kArakAMshAd.h vyayasthite | laxmyAM saJNjAyate bhaktirjAtako sau samR^iddhimAn.h || 70|| kujena saMyute ketau skandabhaktau bhavennaraH | vaishhNavo budhasauribhyAM guruNA shivabhaktimAn.h || 71|| rAhuNA tAmasIM durgAM sevate xudradevatAm.h | bhaktiH skande.atha herabhbhe shikhinA kevalena vA || 72|| kArakAMshAd.h vyaye sauriH pAparAshau yadA bhavet.h | tadA.api xudradevasya bhaktistasya na saMshayaH || 73|| Here is a rough translation: " If a benefic planet is in own sign or exaltation sign in the 12th house from karakamsa (AK in navamsa), the native will reach an auspicious loka. If Ketu is there, with benefic planet conjunction or aspect, then moksha/sayujya is obtained. If such a Ketu is in Aries or Sagittarius, aspected by a benefic planet, then sayujya (joining one of the deities - different from moksha, but almost as good) is obtained. If Ketu in 12th is alone or conjoined/aspected by malefics, the native neither gets moksha nor reaches higher lokas. If Ketu is with Sun in the 12th from karakamsa, devotion to Shiva is suggested without doubt. If Ketu is with Moon in the 12th from karakamsa, devotion to Gouri is suggested and a Shaakta is born. If Ketu is with Venus in the 12th from karakamsa, devotion to Lakshmi is caused and the native is blessed. If Ketu is with Mars, native will be a devotee of Skanda. Mercury and Saturn make one a Vaishnava, while Jupiter makes one a devotee of Shiva. In the case of Rahu, native worships tamasi form Durga or kshudra devatas. If Ketu is alone, then devotion is to Skanda or Ganesha. If Saturn in the 12th from karakamsa is in a malefic sign, then native devotes to a kshudra devata [instead of Vishnu] without doubt. " The way we find ishta devata in the SJC tradition is NOT from Parasara. It has similarities, but you will see what Parasara said above and it is not the same as what SJC tradition teaches. Moreover, there is no reference to Vishnu's avataras here. I have no disrespect for either tradition, but, as Parasara's name was brought up, I wanted to throw light on what I believe Parasara advocated. May the light of Brahman shine within, Narasimha ------------------------------- Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org ------------------------------- -- Posted by Pt.Sanjay Rath to Rath's Rhapsody at 6/02/2006 11:53:00 AM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 2, 2006 Report Share Posted June 2, 2006 Shri Brahmadaru Smarami Dear Souvik, Sri Ramakrishna had, in his inimitable manner, given a lovely example. I will try and translate his colloquial Bengali. He said a mother with 5 sons, bought some fish. She prepared them in different ways, according to their taste and, most importantly, according to their capacity to digest. Hence the fish was fried for some, or made into a curry or baked accordingly. By capacity to digest, he implied, the capacity for each individual to adopt a certain path of worship. Whether, saguna, nirguna, bhakti, vedantic, vaishnava or shakta. A another story states, when he first met Shri M, the scribe of Kathamrita, he asked him whether he believed in saakaar or niraakaar worship. Adamantly M had replied niraakaar. He replied, whichever one you believe in, hold on to it. But being a believer in the niraakaar, don't suppose the saakaar to be unreal. Both saakaar and niraakaar are the truth. It depends on who can digest what. The brilliant book Leela Prasanga and the Kathamrita tells us that Thakur learnt Advaita Vedanta from Totapuri, Tantra and Gaudiya Vaishnavism from Brahmani (Brahmani taught him many Vaishnava texts including Sri Caitanyacaritamrita), Vaishnavishm from Pandit Vaishnavcharan and that he interacted continuously with a variety of sadhus, paramahansas, vairagis who came to spend time with from different communities and sects. And as you know, he advocated, there are as many paths as their are opinions. His jataka should therefore be bale to capture and reflect all these various worship that he did, from Raghuvir to Radhakrishna to Kali to Omkara. Best Regards, Sarbani Sarkar http://sarbani.com sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of Souvik DuttaFriday, June 02, 2006 5:06 PMsohamsa Subject: Re: [Rath's Rhapsody] Thakur Ramakrishna Param Guru Sanjay Rathji and members,Link:http://www.eng.vedanta.ru/library/prabuddha_bharata/shakti_worship_and_sri_ramakrishna_nov2004.php"Under the directions of Yogeshvari Brahmani, Sri Ramakrishna practised all the sixty-four Tantric disciplines. There is a subtle intermingling of moods in these sixty-four methods. Gradually, he scaled the highest pinnacle of these methods of sadhana. Thereafter, he undertook Advaita sadhana under the tutelage of Totapuri. Being established in Advaitic knowledge, Sri Ramakrishna entered into the mood of the vijnani and remained a child of the Divine Mother. Coming down from nirvikalpa samadhi, he began enjoying the attitudes of devotee and devotion. The Brahmo leader Pratap Chandra Mazumdar wrote about Sri Ramakrishna: `He worships Shiva, he worships Kali, he worships Rama, he worships Krishna, and is a confirmed advocate of Vedantist doctrines. He is an idolater and is yet a faithful and most devoted meditator of the perfections of the one, formless, infinite Deity, whom he terms Akhanda Satchidananda.' According to Sri Ramakrishna, there is no difference between Kali, Krishna and Shiva. According to the Sammohana Tantra, he who distinguishes between Rama and Shiva is an idiot."I have heard this saying in childhood. I donot know if these are the exact words of Thakur."Ore pagol, jey Kali, shei Krishno" (dear fellow, Kali and Krshna are the same)~ThakurRegards,Souviksohamsa , "Sarbani Sarkar" <sarbani wrote:>> Shri Brahmadaru Smarami> > Dear List,> > In tune to the present thread, I just wanted to give a favourite quote of> mine from Sri Ramakrishna:> > "Once your tears fall or heart gets excited at Harinaam or Ramnaam, there is> no need for sandhya and other karmas. For karma would have left you> automatically. Then all you need to do is Harinaam or Ramnaam or pure Omkara> japa. Sandhya merges into Gayatri and the Gayatri merges into the Omkara."> > > Best Regards,> > Sarbani Sarkar> http://sarbani.com <http://sarbani.com/> > > > > > _____ > > sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of> Pt.Sanjay Rath> Friday, June 02, 2006 11:58 AM> sohamsa > [Rath's Rhapsody] Thakur Ramakrishna> > > | om gurave namah |> Dear Narasimha/Lakshmi> Why did Parasara talk of the Vishnu avataras in one full chapter of BPHS.> Please bear in mind that Parasara is a Maharishi and not like most other> Jyotisa authors because he is the author of the VISHNU Purana and has heard> the word as indicated in his authorship (lack of better word) of the Rig> Veda.> What is said here in the slokas quoted are partially translated by you and I> have also said the same thing in another mail and even today I have written> a mail about surrender and the 12th house.> In another mail you wrote> " Though the formula at SJC is to take the occupant of the 12th house from> AK in navamsa and to take the lord only if the house is empty, you can never> be sure. For example, take Ramakrishna Paramahamsa. To me, it will be absurd> to think that Kaali is not his ishta devata. His AK Rahu is in Cp in> navamsa. The 12th from him has Sun, but the lord Jupiter in Aq with Mercury> and Saturn dominates. Saturn in moolatrikona is his dispositor and Saturn> ended up dominating. Through Kaali's worship, he experienced everything that> there was to be experienced in this universe and transcended every> experience. He is a sadhaka without comparison. Standard rules would not> have resulted in Kaali being picked, but, if an astrologer suggested him> Kaali worship when he was young, he did a great job!> > Of course, if Saturn shows Kaali, which variation? Should it be Smasaana> Kaali or Bhadra Kaali or Taarana Kaali or some other form?> > My point is that there are umpteen parameters and the formulas don't work> always. Mastering the implications of astrological combinations is difficult> and understanding the nature of millions of deities we have is more> difficult. So, we cannot rely on our limited understanding of Jyotish alone.> There is really no substitute to sincere sadhana and surrendering to one's> ishta devata. Then only one will be able to impact the lives of others in a> positive way."> > The formula works and is based on tradition that lives. Even in the life of> Sri Ramakrishna Paramhamsa, the first step was the 12th house from> Karakamsa.> > Now it is your assumption that Sri Ramakrishna's Ista devata is Kali. I> think the Ista devata is Shiva/Rama and Sri Ramakrishna achieved one-ness> with Ista devata at a very young age. Look at his spiritual path and> spiritual master Totapuri (Advaita Vedanta) which is the path of Shiva.> Secondly when he was young, without anyone telling him, every morning he> used to collect flowers from the garden and worship LORD RAMA (Raghuvir)...> > He came to Calcutta at 17 years of age with brother after father died and> worked as priest at the houses of people. Rani Rashmani established the> Dakshineswar temple in Bengali date 1262/18/Jyestha Snana-jatra day. The> first priest was Thakur's eldest brother and Thakur would also do the Puja> sometimes at the Kali temple. This is the Bhakti yoga of Lagna lord Saturn> (Kali) in 9th house....the rest is history. That is perfect Bhakti when the> lagna lord goes to the ninth house and is exalted (highest ideals) and> retrograde (humility/complete submission) or in some cases, it can be> combust in perfect oneness with the Sun which is also superb for spiritual> awakening.> > Understanding the Bengal (also Orissa) School> What I am trying to say is that neither Thakur Ramakrishna nor Chaitanya> Mahaprabhu have any problems with the pantheon of hindu deities, it is the> other parts of India where great religious battles were fought between the> Iyer's and Iyengar's and so many others even today due to a lack of true> faith in this oneness of God. The first question that needs address within> the soul of every person is 'Is God one for every creature?' and whether he> truly believes in it. This oneness faith comes from Jupiter and that is why> Prasna Marga and others have said that 'God should be seen from Jupiter'.> > Thakur Ramakrishna worshipped Rama and saw Krishna lying in the lap of> Yashoda as well as Krishna tending the cows at Vrindavan and had great> ecstacy. He was initiated into the path of Shiva (Advaita Vedanta) and even> today is worshipped not in his pictures but in the Baneswara Shiva Linga.> His spirituality was associated with Lord Rama Who travelled with him all> the time and also found a nice place inside the Kali temple when he became> the priest there (see idols of Ramakrishna below). Thakur would never enter> the Kali temple without seeking the permission of Mahadeva (Lord Shiva)> [Kathaamrita].> > Chaitanya Mahaprabhu always worshipped Lord Shiva and was even humiliated by> the Iyengars of South India for worshipping Lord Shiva at Rameswara.> -----------> > Data file (Kindly think and comment as these points are very vital)> > (A) Birth data for study: -> I am giving the three birth data of Thakur Ramakrishna prepared by three> different astrologers.> 1. Ambika Acharya, Kosthi (horoscope)> prepared when Thakur fell sick.> Bengal/Orissa date: 3rd Kartik 1286 (English 1879) gives the birth date as> 1756 Sakabda 10 Phalgun Wednesday Sukla Dwitiya Purvabhadrapada nakshatra> (For astrologers, the full data is 1756/10/9/59/12)> > 2. Kshetranath Bhatta, Kosthi> prepared the chart in 1300 Saka> Bengal/Orissa date: 1754 Sakabda 10 Phalgun Wednesday Purvabhadrapada (20> Feb 1833) Lagna Ravi Chandra Buddha, Kumbah rashi and the most famous> prediction made was "Brihaspati Sukra yoga shall cause him to become a> Sampradaya Prabhu" (For astrologers, the full data is 1754/10/9/0/12)> > 3. Narayan Jyotirbhushan, Kosthi> prepared by the RK Math> Bengal/Orissa date: 1242 Sale, 6 Plalgun Wednesday Feb 17 1836 morning 4 am> Sukla dwitiya (For astrologers, the full data is 1757/10/5/59/28/21)> > (B) Spirituality points> 1. Thakur was appointed priest of the Radha-Krishna temple in Dakshineswar> when his brother was the priest of the Kali temple> 2. The temple which is called Kali temple and the deity which is called Kali> temple at Dakshineswara is actually "Bhava Taarini" temple i.e. temple of> TARA and the deity is actually BhavaTaariNi Ma! And in Bengal people do not> differentiate between Kali and Tara. [Was it Jupiter in 5th house or Saturn> in 9th house???]> 3. Thakur, like all good Brahmin from Bengal/Orissa always carried his> 'Narayana Shila' which was always found in the temple next to the deity> 4. Lord Rama stayed with Thakur from his earliest childhood till his last> breath and one asta-dhaatu Rama idol was kept near the Bhava Tarini idol at> Dakshineswar where he worshipped daily.> 5. Of course we cannot ignore his famour Baneswara Shiva Linga - the yellow> Shiva linga> > I cannot end this letter as this topic is never ending...so lets just keep> walking.> Best wishes and warm regards,> Sanjay Rath> > Personal: WebPages ¡ü Rath¡Çs Rhapsody> SJC WebPages: Sri Jagannath Center ¡ü SJCERC ¡ü JIVA> Publications: The Jyotish Digest ¡ü Sagittarius Publications> ----> > > sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of> Narasimha P.V.R. Rao> Friday, June 02, 2006 7:26 AM> sohamsa ; vedic astrology ;> ; sjcBoston > What Parasara Advocates...> > Dear Lakshmi,> > I appreciate what you wrote in your mail. But, I want to strike a different> note on the following thing you wrote:> > > THere is so much variation, but now we read Parasara advocates> > offering a Vishnu form for Isthadevata , but modernizing it for> > different cultures and religions we can.> > [background for non-SJC people: In the SJC tradition, the devata> corresponding to a planet in the 12th house from AK in navamsa is called> ishta devata and supposed to take one towards moksha.]> > Can you please quote the verse in which Parasara advocates offering a Vishnu> form for ishtadevata? I missed that verse when I studied BPHS.> > Parasara did associate planets with Vishnu's avataras at the beginning of> BPHS. But, as far as I know, Parsara he did not talk about Vishnu's avataras> when he talked about worshipping a devata based on the planets in the 12th> house from karakamsa.> > The following verses are from the 33rd chapter in BPHS (on Karakamsa):> > kArakAMshAd.h vyayasthAne svabhochchasthe shubhagrahe |> sad.hgatirjAyate tasya shubhalokamavApnuyAt.h || 64||> kArakAMshAd.h vyaye ketau shubhakheTayutexite |> tadA tu jAyate muktiH sAyujyapadamApnuyAt.h || 65||> meshhe dhanushhi vA ketau kArakAMshAt.h vyaye sthite |> shubhakheTena sandR^ishhTe sAyujapadamApnuyAt.h || 66||> vyaye cha kevale ketau pApayuktexitepi vA |> na tadA jAyate muktiH shubhalokaM na pashyati || 67||> raviNA saMyute ketau kArakAMshAd.h vyayasthite |> shivabhaktirbhavesyatta nirvishaMkaM dvijottama || 68||> chandreNa saMyute ketau kArakAMshAd.h vyayasthite |> gauryAM bhaktirbhavettasya shAktiko jAyate naraH || 69||> shukreNa saMyute ketau kArakAMshAd.h vyayasthite |> laxmyAM saJNjAyate bhaktirjAtako sau samR^iddhimAn.h || 70||> kujena saMyute ketau skandabhaktau bhavennaraH |> vaishhNavo budhasauribhyAM guruNA shivabhaktimAn.h || 71||> rAhuNA tAmasIM durgAM sevate xudradevatAm.h |> bhaktiH skande.atha herabhbhe shikhinA kevalena vA || 72||> kArakAMshAd.h vyaye sauriH pAparAshau yadA bhavet.h |> tadA.api xudradevasya bhaktistasya na saMshayaH || 73||> > Here is a rough translation:> > "If a benefic planet is in own sign or exaltation sign in the 12th house> from karakamsa (AK in navamsa), the native will reach an auspicious loka. If> Ketu is there, with benefic planet conjunction or aspect, then> moksha/sayujya is obtained. If such a Ketu is in Aries or Sagittarius,> aspected by a benefic planet, then sayujya (joining one of the deities -> different from moksha, but almost as good) is obtained. If Ketu in 12th is> alone or conjoined/aspected by malefics, the native neither gets moksha nor> reaches higher lokas. If Ketu is with Sun in the 12th from karakamsa,> devotion to Shiva is suggested without doubt. If Ketu is with Moon in the> 12th from karakamsa, devotion to Gouri is suggested and a Shaakta is born.> If Ketu is with Venus in the 12th from karakamsa, devotion to Lakshmi is> caused and the native is blessed. If Ketu is with Mars, native will be a> devotee of Skanda. Mercury and Saturn make one a Vaishnava, while Jupiter> makes one a devotee of Shiva. In the case of Rahu, native worships tamasi> form Durga or kshudra devatas. If Ketu is alone, then devotion is to Skanda> or Ganesha. If Saturn in the 12th from karakamsa is in a malefic sign, then> native devotes to a kshudra devata [instead of Vishnu] without doubt. "> > The way we find ishta devata in the SJC tradition is NOT from Parasara. It> has similarities, but you will see what Parasara said above and it is not> the same as what SJC tradition teaches. Moreover, there is no reference to> Vishnu's avataras here.> > I have no disrespect for either tradition, but, as Parasara's name was> brought up, I wanted to throw light on what I believe Parasara advocated.> > May the light of Brahman shine within,> Narasimha> -------------------------------> Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net> Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org> Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org> ------------------------------- > > --> Posted by Pt.Sanjay Rath to Rath's Rhapsody> <http://srath.com/blog/2006/06/thakur-ramakrishna.html> at 6/02/2006 11:53:> 00 AM > > *tat savitur varenyam* > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 2, 2006 Report Share Posted June 2, 2006 sohamsa , " Swee Chan " <swee wrote: > > Jaya Jagannatha > > > > Dear Sarbani, > > Namaste > > > > Pure Omkara is the Vedas (THAT's a lot to absorb!) > > - the first sound is A and its colour is white (colour of a Brahmana). > The letter is the initial mantra for the sadhaka to draw his yantra to help > in his advancement in meditation. > > - Vayu tattva has to be quelled first (according to Narada Purana in > the dialogue between Suka and Sanakumara). Vayu tattva can be seen in one¡Çs > birth nakshatra. During the months Chaitra and Vaishakha, the Rasa is > juicy/watery. The names of those months are Madhu and Madhava. > > - I was born during Chaitra during the freshness of Spring when one > Soma was being given after Vishnu¡Çs triumph (the cogency in his sadhana) > over the 2 asuras Madhu and Kaitabha¡Ä.. > > Love, > > Swee > > > > > > Love, > > Swee > > > > _____ > > sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of > Sarbani Sarkar > Friday, June 02, 2006 11:37 AM > sohamsa > RE: [Rath's Rhapsody] Thakur Ramakrishna > > > > Shri Brahmadaru Smarami > > > > Dear List, > > > > In tune to the present thread, I just wanted to give a favourite quote of > mine from Sri Ramakrishna: > > > > " Once your tears fall or heart gets excited at Harinaam or Ramnaam, there is > no need for sandhya and other karmas. For karma would have left you > automatically. Then all you need to do is Harinaam or Ramnaam or pure Omkara > japa. Sandhya merges into Gayatri and the Gayatri merges into the Omkara. " > > > > > Best Regards, > > > > Sarbani Sarkar > > http://sarbani.com <http://sarbani.com/> > > > _____ > > sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of > Pt.Sanjay Rath > Friday, June 02, 2006 11:58 AM > sohamsa > [Rath's Rhapsody] Thakur Ramakrishna > > | om gurave namah | > Dear Narasimha/Lakshmi > Why did Parasara talk of the Vishnu avataras in one full chapter of BPHS. > Please bear in mind that Parasara is a Maharishi and not like most other > Jyotisa authors because he is the author of the VISHNU Purana and has heard > the word as indicated in his authorship (lack of better word) of the Rig > Veda. > What is said here in the slokas quoted are partially translated by you and I > have also said the same thing in another mail and even today I have written > a mail about surrender and the 12th house. > In another mail you wrote > " Though the formula at SJC is to take the occupant of the 12th house from > AK in navamsa and to take the lord only if the house is empty, you can never > be sure. For example, take Ramakrishna Paramahamsa. To me, it will be absurd > to think that Kaali is not his ishta devata. His AK Rahu is in Cp in > navamsa. The 12th from him has Sun, but the lord Jupiter in Aq with Mercury > and Saturn dominates. Saturn in moolatrikona is his dispositor and Saturn > ended up dominating. Through Kaali's worship, he experienced everything that > there was to be experienced in this universe and transcended every > experience. He is a sadhaka without comparison. Standard rules would not > have resulted in Kaali being picked, but, if an astrologer suggested him > Kaali worship when he was young, he did a great job! > > Of course, if Saturn shows Kaali, which variation? Should it be Smasaana > Kaali or Bhadra Kaali or Taarana Kaali or some other form? > > My point is that there are umpteen parameters and the formulas don't work > always. Mastering the implications of astrological combinations is difficult > and understanding the nature of millions of deities we have is more > difficult. So, we cannot rely on our limited understanding of Jyotish alone. > There is really no substitute to sincere sadhana and surrendering to one's > ishta devata. Then only one will be able to impact the lives of others in a > positive way. " > > The formula works and is based on tradition that lives. Even in the life of > Sri Ramakrishna Paramhamsa, the first step was the 12th house from > Karakamsa. > > Now it is your assumption that Sri Ramakrishna's Ista devata is Kali. I > think the Ista devata is Shiva/Rama and Sri Ramakrishna achieved one-ness > with Ista devata at a very young age. Look at his spiritual path and > spiritual master Totapuri (Advaita Vedanta) which is the path of Shiva. > Secondly when he was young, without anyone telling him, every morning he > used to collect flowers from the garden and worship LORD RAMA (Raghuvir)... > > He came to Calcutta at 17 years of age with brother after father died and > worked as priest at the houses of people. Rani Rashmani established the > Dakshineswar temple in Bengali date 1262/18/Jyestha Snana-jatra day. The > first priest was Thakur's eldest brother and Thakur would also do the Puja > sometimes at the Kali temple. This is the Bhakti yoga of Lagna lord Saturn > (Kali) in 9th house....the rest is history. That is perfect Bhakti when the > lagna lord goes to the ninth house and is exalted (highest ideals) and > retrograde (humility/complete submission) or in some cases, it can be > combust in perfect oneness with the Sun which is also superb for spiritual > awakening. > > Understanding the Bengal (also Orissa) School > What I am trying to say is that neither Thakur Ramakrishna nor Chaitanya > Mahaprabhu have any problems with the pantheon of hindu deities, it is the > other parts of India where great religious battles were fought between the > Iyer's and Iyengar's and so many others even today due to a lack of true > faith in this oneness of God. The first question that needs address within > the soul of every person is 'Is God one for every creature?' and whether he > truly believes in it. This oneness faith comes from Jupiter and that is why > Prasna Marga and others have said that 'God should be seen from Jupiter'. > > Thakur Ramakrishna worshipped Rama and saw Krishna lying in the lap of > Yashoda as well as Krishna tending the cows at Vrindavan and had great > ecstacy. He was initiated into the path of Shiva (Advaita Vedanta) and even > today is worshipped not in his pictures but in the Baneswara Shiva Linga. > His spirituality was associated with Lord Rama Who travelled with him all > the time and also found a nice place inside the Kali temple when he became > the priest there (see idols of Ramakrishna below). Thakur would never enter > the Kali temple without seeking the permission of Mahadeva (Lord Shiva) > [Kathaamrita]. > > Chaitanya Mahaprabhu always worshipped Lord Shiva and was even humiliated by > the Iyengars of South India for worshipping Lord Shiva at Rameswara. > ----------- > > Data file (Kindly think and comment as these points are very vital) > > (A) Birth data for study: - > I am giving the three birth data of Thakur Ramakrishna prepared by three > different astrologers. > 1. Ambika Acharya, Kosthi (horoscope) > prepared when Thakur fell sick. > Bengal/Orissa date: 3rd Kartik 1286 (English 1879) gives the birth date as > 1756 Sakabda 10 Phalgun Wednesday Sukla Dwitiya Purvabhadrapada nakshatra > (For astrologers, the full data is 1756/10/9/59/12) > > 2. Kshetranath Bhatta, Kosthi > prepared the chart in 1300 Saka > Bengal/Orissa date: 1754 Sakabda 10 Phalgun Wednesday Purvabhadrapada (20 > Feb 1833) Lagna Ravi Chandra Buddha, Kumbah rashi and the most famous > prediction made was " Brihaspati Sukra yoga shall cause him to become a > Sampradaya Prabhu " (For astrologers, the full data is 1754/10/9/0/12) > > 3. Narayan Jyotirbhushan, Kosthi > prepared by the RK Math > Bengal/Orissa date: 1242 Sale, 6 Plalgun Wednesday Feb 17 1836 morning 4 am > Sukla dwitiya (For astrologers, the full data is 1757/10/5/59/28/21) > > (B) Spirituality points > 1. Thakur was appointed priest of the Radha-Krishna temple in Dakshineswar > when his brother was the priest of the Kali temple > 2. The temple which is called Kali temple and the deity which is called Kali > temple at Dakshineswara is actually " Bhava Taarini " temple i.e. temple of > TARA and the deity is actually BhavaTaariNi Ma! And in Bengal people do not > differentiate between Kali and Tara. [Was it Jupiter in 5th house or Saturn > in 9th house???] > 3. Thakur, like all good Brahmin from Bengal/Orissa always carried his > 'Narayana Shila' which was always found in the temple next to the deity > 4. Lord Rama stayed with Thakur from his earliest childhood till his last > breath and one asta-dhaatu Rama idol was kept near the Bhava Tarini idol at > Dakshineswar where he worshipped daily. > 5. Of course we cannot ignore his famour Baneswara Shiva Linga - the yellow > Shiva linga > > I cannot end this letter as this topic is never ending...so lets just keep > walking. > Best wishes and warm regards, > Sanjay Rath > > Personal: WebPages ¡ü Rath¡Çs Rhapsody > SJC WebPages: Sri Jagannath Center ¡ü SJCERC ¡ü JIVA > Publications: The Jyotish Digest ¡ü Sagittarius Publications > ---- > > > sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of > Narasimha P.V.R. Rao > Friday, June 02, 2006 7:26 AM > sohamsa ; vedic astrology ; > ; sjcBoston > What Parasara Advocates... > > Dear Lakshmi, > > I appreciate what you wrote in your mail. But, I want to strike a different > note on the following thing you wrote: > > > THere is so much variation, but now we read Parasara advocates > > offering a Vishnu form for Isthadevata , but modernizing it for > > different cultures and religions we can. > > [background for non-SJC people: In the SJC tradition, the devata > corresponding to a planet in the 12th house from AK in navamsa is called > ishta devata and supposed to take one towards moksha.] > > Can you please quote the verse in which Parasara advocates offering a Vishnu > form for ishtadevata? I missed that verse when I studied BPHS. > > Parasara did associate planets with Vishnu's avataras at the beginning of > BPHS. But, as far as I know, Parsara he did not talk about Vishnu's avataras > when he talked about worshipping a devata based on the planets in the 12th > house from karakamsa. > > The following verses are from the 33rd chapter in BPHS (on Karakamsa): > > kArakAMshAd.h vyayasthAne svabhochchasthe shubhagrahe | > sad.hgatirjAyate tasya shubhalokamavApnuyAt.h || 64|| > kArakAMshAd.h vyaye ketau shubhakheTayutexite | > tadA tu jAyate muktiH sAyujyapadamApnuyAt.h || 65|| > meshhe dhanushhi vA ketau kArakAMshAt.h vyaye sthite | > shubhakheTena sandR^ishhTe sAyujapadamApnuyAt.h || 66|| > vyaye cha kevale ketau pApayuktexitepi vA | > na tadA jAyate muktiH shubhalokaM na pashyati || 67|| > raviNA saMyute ketau kArakAMshAd.h vyayasthite | > shivabhaktirbhavesyatta nirvishaMkaM dvijottama || 68|| > chandreNa saMyute ketau kArakAMshAd.h vyayasthite | > gauryAM bhaktirbhavettasya shAktiko jAyate naraH || 69|| > shukreNa saMyute ketau kArakAMshAd.h vyayasthite | > laxmyAM saJNjAyate bhaktirjAtako sau samR^iddhimAn.h || 70|| > kujena saMyute ketau skandabhaktau bhavennaraH | > vaishhNavo budhasauribhyAM guruNA shivabhaktimAn.h || 71|| > rAhuNA tAmasIM durgAM sevate xudradevatAm.h | > bhaktiH skande.atha herabhbhe shikhinA kevalena vA || 72|| > kArakAMshAd.h vyaye sauriH pAparAshau yadA bhavet.h | > tadA.api xudradevasya bhaktistasya na saMshayaH || 73|| > > Here is a rough translation: > > " If a benefic planet is in own sign or exaltation sign in the 12th house > from karakamsa (AK in navamsa), the native will reach an auspicious loka. If > Ketu is there, with benefic planet conjunction or aspect, then > moksha/sayujya is obtained. If such a Ketu is in Aries or Sagittarius, > aspected by a benefic planet, then sayujya (joining one of the deities - > different from moksha, but almost as good) is obtained. If Ketu in 12th is > alone or conjoined/aspected by malefics, the native neither gets moksha nor > reaches higher lokas. If Ketu is with Sun in the 12th from karakamsa, > devotion to Shiva is suggested without doubt. If Ketu is with Moon in the > 12th from karakamsa, devotion to Gouri is suggested and a Shaakta is born. > If Ketu is with Venus in the 12th from karakamsa, devotion to Lakshmi is > caused and the native is blessed. If Ketu is with Mars, native will be a > devotee of Skanda. Mercury and Saturn make one a Vaishnava, while Jupiter > makes one a devotee of Shiva. In the case of Rahu, native worships tamasi > form Durga or kshudra devatas. If Ketu is alone, then devotion is to Skanda > or Ganesha. If Saturn in the 12th from karakamsa is in a malefic sign, then > native devotes to a kshudra devata [instead of Vishnu] without doubt. " > > The way we find ishta devata in the SJC tradition is NOT from Parasara. It > has similarities, but you will see what Parasara said above and it is not > the same as what SJC tradition teaches. Moreover, there is no reference to > Vishnu's avataras here. > > I have no disrespect for either tradition, but, as Parasara's name was > brought up, I wanted to throw light on what I believe Parasara advocated. > > May the light of Brahman shine within, > Narasimha > ------------------------------- > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org > ------------------------------- > > -- > Posted by Pt.Sanjay Rath to Rath's Rhapsody > <http://srath.com/blog/2006/06/thakur-ramakrishna.html> at 6/02/2006 11:53: > 00 AM > > *tat savitur varenyam* > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 2, 2006 Report Share Posted June 2, 2006 On 6/2/06, Sanjay Rath <guruji wrote: Namaste Sri Sanjay, I have a question around these saints. The Katha Upanishad refers to some people, who 'though in the realm of ignorance, think themselves to be intelligent and scholarly ...' Why Upanishad, even the newspapers reveal a lot of 'kapaTa sannyAsis'. The question is what astrological indications reveal such? In this interesting thread, all 'malefic' planets inc Rahu are shown to give high spiritual inclinations... so am wondering if there is an astrological way to identify a false sage. Regards, Krishna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 3, 2006 Report Share Posted June 3, 2006 Om Gurave Namah Dear Sanjay ji, Jaya Jagannatha Were you meant to say something? Love, Swee sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of Sanjay Rath Friday, June 02, 2006 3:42 PM sohamsa Re: [Rath's Rhapsody] Thakur Ramakrishna sohamsa , " Swee Chan " <swee wrote: > > Jaya Jagannatha > > > > Dear Sarbani, > > Namaste > > > > Pure Omkara is the Vedas (THAT's a lot to absorb!) > > - the first sound is A and its colour is white (colour of a Brahmana). > The letter is the initial mantra for the sadhaka to draw his yantra to help > in his advancement in meditation. > > - Vayu tattva has to be quelled first (according to Narada Purana in > the dialogue between Suka and Sanakumara). Vayu tattva can be seen in one¡Çs > birth nakshatra. During the months Chaitra and Vaishakha, the Rasa is > juicy/watery. The names of those months are Madhu and Madhava. > > - I was born during Chaitra during the freshness of Spring when one > Soma was being given after Vishnu¡Çs triumph (the cogency in his sadhana) > over the 2 asuras Madhu and Kaitabha¡Ä.. > > Love, > > Swee > > > > > > Love, > > Swee > > > > _____ > > sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of > Sarbani Sarkar > Friday, June 02, 2006 11:37 AM > sohamsa > RE: [Rath's Rhapsody] Thakur Ramakrishna > > > > Shri Brahmadaru Smarami > > > > Dear List, > > > > In tune to the present thread, I just wanted to give a favourite quote of > mine from Sri Ramakrishna: > > > > " Once your tears fall or heart gets excited at Harinaam or Ramnaam, there is > no need for sandhya and other karmas. For karma would have left you > automatically. Then all you need to do is Harinaam or Ramnaam or pure Omkara > japa. Sandhya merges into Gayatri and the Gayatri merges into the Omkara. " > > > > > Best Regards, > > > > Sarbani Sarkar > > http://sarbani.com <http://sarbani.com/> > > > _____ > > sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of > Pt.Sanjay Rath > Friday, June 02, 2006 11:58 AM > sohamsa > [Rath's Rhapsody] Thakur Ramakrishna > > | om gurave namah | > Dear Narasimha/Lakshmi > Why did Parasara talk of the Vishnu avataras in one full chapter of BPHS. > Please bear in mind that Parasara is a Maharishi and not like most other > Jyotisa authors because he is the author of the VISHNU Purana and has heard > the word as indicated in his authorship (lack of better word) of the Rig > Veda. > What is said here in the slokas quoted are partially translated by you and I > have also said the same thing in another mail and even today I have written > a mail about surrender and the 12th house. > In another mail you wrote > " Though the formula at SJC is to take the occupant of the 12th house from > AK in navamsa and to take the lord only if the house is empty, you can never > be sure. For example, take Ramakrishna Paramahamsa. To me, it will be absurd > to think that Kaali is not his ishta devata. His AK Rahu is in Cp in > navamsa. The 12th from him has Sun, but the lord Jupiter in Aq with Mercury > and Saturn dominates. Saturn in moolatrikona is his dispositor and Saturn > ended up dominating. Through Kaali's worship, he experienced everything that > there was to be experienced in this universe and transcended every > experience. He is a sadhaka without comparison. Standard rules would not > have resulted in Kaali being picked, but, if an astrologer suggested him > Kaali worship when he was young, he did a great job! > > Of course, if Saturn shows Kaali, which variation? Should it be Smasaana > Kaali or Bhadra Kaali or Taarana Kaali or some other form? > > My point is that there are umpteen parameters and the formulas don't work > always. Mastering the implications of astrological combinations is difficult > and understanding the nature of millions of deities we have is more > difficult. So, we cannot rely on our limited understanding of Jyotish alone. > There is really no substitute to sincere sadhana and surrendering to one's > ishta devata. Then only one will be able to impact the lives of others in a > positive way. " > > The formula works and is based on tradition that lives. Even in the life of > Sri Ramakrishna Paramhamsa, the first step was the 12th house from > Karakamsa. > > Now it is your assumption that Sri Ramakrishna's Ista devata is Kali. I > think the Ista devata is Shiva/Rama and Sri Ramakrishna achieved one-ness > with Ista devata at a very young age. Look at his spiritual path and > spiritual master Totapuri (Advaita Vedanta) which is the path of Shiva. > Secondly when he was young, without anyone telling him, every morning he > used to collect flowers from the garden and worship LORD RAMA (Raghuvir)... > > He came to Calcutta at 17 years of age with brother after father died and > worked as priest at the houses of people. Rani Rashmani established the > Dakshineswar temple in Bengali date 1262/18/Jyestha Snana-jatra day. The > first priest was Thakur's eldest brother and Thakur would also do the Puja > sometimes at the Kali temple. This is the Bhakti yoga of Lagna lord Saturn > (Kali) in 9th house....the rest is history. That is perfect Bhakti when the > lagna lord goes to the ninth house and is exalted (highest ideals) and > retrograde (humility/complete submission) or in some cases, it can be > combust in perfect oneness with the Sun which is also superb for spiritual > awakening. > > Understanding the Bengal (also Orissa) School > What I am trying to say is that neither Thakur Ramakrishna nor Chaitanya > Mahaprabhu have any problems with the pantheon of hindu deities, it is the > other parts of India where great religious battles were fought between the > Iyer's and Iyengar's and so many others even today due to a lack of true > faith in this oneness of God. The first question that needs address within > the soul of every person is 'Is God one for every creature?' and whether he > truly believes in it. This oneness faith comes from Jupiter and that is why > Prasna Marga and others have said that 'God should be seen from Jupiter'. > > Thakur Ramakrishna worshipped Rama and saw Krishna lying in the lap of > Yashoda as well as Krishna tending the cows at Vrindavan and had great > ecstacy. He was initiated into the path of Shiva (Advaita Vedanta) and even > today is worshipped not in his pictures but in the Baneswara Shiva Linga. > His spirituality was associated with Lord Rama Who travelled with him all > the time and also found a nice place inside the Kali temple when he became > the priest there (see idols of Ramakrishna below). Thakur would never enter > the Kali temple without seeking the permission of Mahadeva (Lord Shiva) > [Kathaamrita]. > > Chaitanya Mahaprabhu always worshipped Lord Shiva and was even humiliated by > the Iyengars of South India for worshipping Lord Shiva at Rameswara. > ----------- > > Data file (Kindly think and comment as these points are very vital) > > (A) Birth data for study: - > I am giving the three birth data of Thakur Ramakrishna prepared by three > different astrologers. > 1. Ambika Acharya, Kosthi (horoscope) > prepared when Thakur fell sick. > Bengal/Orissa date: 3rd Kartik 1286 (English 1879) gives the birth date as > 1756 Sakabda 10 Phalgun Wednesday Sukla Dwitiya Purvabhadrapada nakshatra > (For astrologers, the full data is 1756/10/9/59/12) > > 2. Kshetranath Bhatta, Kosthi > prepared the chart in 1300 Saka > Bengal/Orissa date: 1754 Sakabda 10 Phalgun Wednesday Purvabhadrapada (20 > Feb 1833) Lagna Ravi Chandra Buddha, Kumbah rashi and the most famous > prediction made was " Brihaspati Sukra yoga shall cause him to become a > Sampradaya Prabhu " (For astrologers, the full data is 1754/10/9/0/12) > > 3. Narayan Jyotirbhushan, Kosthi > prepared by the RK Math > Bengal/Orissa date: 1242 Sale, 6 Plalgun Wednesday Feb 17 1836 morning 4 am > Sukla dwitiya (For astrologers, the full data is 1757/10/5/59/28/21) > > (B) Spirituality points > 1. Thakur was appointed priest of the Radha-Krishna temple in Dakshineswar > when his brother was the priest of the Kali temple > 2. The temple which is called Kali temple and the deity which is called Kali > temple at Dakshineswara is actually " Bhava Taarini " temple i.e. temple of > TARA and the deity is actually BhavaTaariNi Ma! And in Bengal people do not > differentiate between Kali and Tara. [Was it Jupiter in 5th house or Saturn > in 9th house???] > 3. Thakur, like all good Brahmin from Bengal/Orissa always carried his > 'Narayana Shila' which was always found in the temple next to the deity > 4. Lord Rama stayed with Thakur from his earliest childhood till his last > breath and one asta-dhaatu Rama idol was kept near the Bhava Tarini idol at > Dakshineswar where he worshipped daily. > 5. Of course we cannot ignore his famour Baneswara Shiva Linga - the yellow > Shiva linga > > I cannot end this letter as this topic is never ending...so lets just keep > walking. > Best wishes and warm regards, > Sanjay Rath > > Personal: WebPages ¡ü Rath¡Çs Rhapsody > SJC WebPages: Sri Jagannath Center ¡ü SJCERC ¡ü JIVA > Publications: The Jyotish Digest ¡ü Sagittarius Publications > ---- > > > sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of > Narasimha P.V.R. Rao > Friday, June 02, 2006 7:26 AM > sohamsa ; vedic astrology ; > ; sjcBoston > What Parasara Advocates... > > Dear Lakshmi, > > I appreciate what you wrote in your mail. But, I want to strike a different > note on the following thing you wrote: > > > THere is so much variation, but now we read Parasara advocates > > offering a Vishnu form for Isthadevata , but modernizing it for > > different cultures and religions we can. > > [background for non-SJC people: In the SJC tradition, the devata > corresponding to a planet in the 12th house from AK in navamsa is called > ishta devata and supposed to take one towards moksha.] > > Can you please quote the verse in which Parasara advocates offering a Vishnu > form for ishtadevata? I missed that verse when I studied BPHS. > > Parasara did associate planets with Vishnu's avataras at the beginning of > BPHS. But, as far as I know, Parsara he did not talk about Vishnu's avataras > when he talked about worshipping a devata based on the planets in the 12th > house from karakamsa. > > The following verses are from the 33rd chapter in BPHS (on Karakamsa): > > kArakAMshAd.h vyayasthAne svabhochchasthe shubhagrahe | > sad.hgatirjAyate tasya shubhalokamavApnuyAt.h || 64|| > kArakAMshAd.h vyaye ketau shubhakheTayutexite | > tadA tu jAyate muktiH sAyujyapadamApnuyAt.h || 65|| > meshhe dhanushhi vA ketau kArakAMshAt.h vyaye sthite | > shubhakheTena sandR^ishhTe sAyujapadamApnuyAt.h || 66|| > vyaye cha kevale ketau pApayuktexitepi vA | > na tadA jAyate muktiH shubhalokaM na pashyati || 67|| > raviNA saMyute ketau kArakAMshAd.h vyayasthite | > shivabhaktirbhavesyatta nirvishaMkaM dvijottama || 68|| > chandreNa saMyute ketau kArakAMshAd.h vyayasthite | > gauryAM bhaktirbhavettasya shAktiko jAyate naraH || 69|| > shukreNa saMyute ketau kArakAMshAd.h vyayasthite | > laxmyAM saJNjAyate bhaktirjAtako sau samR^iddhimAn.h || 70|| > kujena saMyute ketau skandabhaktau bhavennaraH | > vaishhNavo budhasauribhyAM guruNA shivabhaktimAn.h || 71|| > rAhuNA tAmasIM durgAM sevate xudradevatAm.h | > bhaktiH skande.atha herabhbhe shikhinA kevalena vA || 72|| > kArakAMshAd.h vyaye sauriH pAparAshau yadA bhavet.h | > tadA.api xudradevasya bhaktistasya na saMshayaH || 73|| > > Here is a rough translation: > > " If a benefic planet is in own sign or exaltation sign in the 12th house > from karakamsa (AK in navamsa), the native will reach an auspicious loka. If > Ketu is there, with benefic planet conjunction or aspect, then > moksha/sayujya is obtained. If such a Ketu is in Aries or Sagittarius, > aspected by a benefic planet, then sayujya (joining one of the deities - > different from moksha, but almost as good) is obtained. If Ketu in 12th is > alone or conjoined/aspected by malefics, the native neither gets moksha nor > reaches higher lokas. If Ketu is with Sun in the 12th from karakamsa, > devotion to Shiva is suggested without doubt. If Ketu is with Moon in the > 12th from karakamsa, devotion to Gouri is suggested and a Shaakta is born. > If Ketu is with Venus in the 12th from karakamsa, devotion to Lakshmi is > caused and the native is blessed. If Ketu is with Mars, native will be a > devotee of Skanda. Mercury and Saturn make one a Vaishnava, while Jupiter > makes one a devotee of Shiva. In the case of Rahu, native worships tamasi > form Durga or kshudra devatas. If Ketu is alone, then devotion is to Skanda > or Ganesha. If Saturn in the 12th from karakamsa is in a malefic sign, then > native devotes to a kshudra devata [instead of Vishnu] without doubt. " > > The way we find ishta devata in the SJC tradition is NOT from Parasara. It > has similarities, but you will see what Parasara said above and it is not > the same as what SJC tradition teaches. Moreover, there is no reference to > Vishnu's avataras here. > > I have no disrespect for either tradition, but, as Parasara's name was > brought up, I wanted to throw light on what I believe Parasara advocated. > > May the light of Brahman shine within, > Narasimha > ------------------------------- > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org > ------------------------------- > > -- > Posted by Pt.Sanjay Rath to Rath's Rhapsody > <http://srath.com/blog/2006/06/thakur-ramakrishna.html> at 6/02/2006 11:53: > 00 AM > > *tat savitur varenyam* > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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