[Rath's Rhapsody] Sama Saptaka Concept

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| om gurave namah |Dear Himanshu

That is such a fine way to study with an open mind. The classics have so many yogas and so many statements and unless we have examined their working, we cannot use this blindly. So the Saturn and Mars in 1-7 axis is not really a good thing. A lot also depends on the lordship of the planets involved.

Yes you are right about the Moon's involvement and no statement can be made in finality, but we need to be clear about the basics at least so that we can balance the opposing views in jyotish.

The correct remedy is the gayatri mantra as this corrects any problem that the person has with the 'dhi'. Best wishes and warm regards,Sanjay RathPersonal: WebPages ◠Rath’s Rhapsody SJC WebPages: Sri Jagannath Center ◠SJCERC ◠JIVAPublications: The Jyotish Digest ◠Sagittarius Publications----

 

 

 

sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of Himanshu MohanTuesday, May 30, 2006 8:19 PMsohamsa Subject: Re: [Rath's Rhapsody] Sama Saptaka Concept

Om Ganeshaya Namah||Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya||Dear Gurudeva Sanjay Ji,Pranaam.I would explain. I have seen a whole family of 5 brothers and onesister, all having Saturn-Mars in diagonal position. Two of them haveMars in 1 & Sa in 7. Others have in other axes. All of them behavealmost UNMAADI, but temporarily, in anger and later on become normal.Three children, son of one brother, daughter of another brother anddaughter of the sister also have the same combination. I have beenshowing this to people as to how clearly traces of astrologicalcombinations also transmit akin to genes.I have also been able to see and show the similarity on their palmerlines due to my knowledge in palmistry.However, according to MA(1) and SA(7), UNMAAD Yoga should haveoccurred on the spouse then? or relationships probably! or regardingrelationships!!However, this is not the case and this occurs to them most often. Theson of the eldest bro' has SA(1) and MA(7) but no sign of any abnormalbehaviour or passionate behaviour even.Let me also put up how I have been interpretting SA-MA so far. Iconsider it as a surgery of the body parts indicated, or such a partbeing hust with an iron tool like knife, scissors or the like so thatblood flows. I never considered UNMAAD yoga truely effective unlessMoon gets involved.Well, my present worry is due to the reason that my daughter also hasMA(1) and SA(7). That is why I asked for remedies.She is very courageous, laborious and persistent in pursuance of goalsshe identifies for herself. She also has abundant will power; Veryfrail body but full of strength. This matches with individual MA andSA significance. She keps going when others with a stronger physicalbody shall get tired / exhausted.Although she does not show any signs of abnormal psycho behaviouroften, I would certainly be more than eager to know what remedialaction I must take or advise her as she is a grown up girl. I wouldfail the duty of being a worthy father if I did not make such efforts. Kindly bestow your GURU-Kripa guidance upon me.Pranaam Gurudeva.Om Shri Krishnarpanamastu.sohamsa , "Anurag Sharma" <anuraagsharma27wrote:>> Dear Sanjay Ji,> > Pranaam.> > I have been in close contact with a person who has Mangal in Kanya > Lagna and Shani in the 7th House. There are visible strains in the > marriage and his nature is akin to an out of control Mangal, Kuja > being the 3rd and 8th Lord. I have on occasion seen him struggling > to control almost an insane rage, through clenched teeth. However, > he also has the reputation of being a 'paper-tiger' and prior to > learning this, I had said that reality considerations( Shani) would > temper the somewhat out of control impulses of Mangal.> > Is there any standard interpretation of the inversion of this Unmada > Yoga, when the Grahas are no longer in their Marana Karaka Sthanas > or will this have to be judged from nativity to nativity based on > lordship considerations etc. > > Regards.> > Anurag. > > > > > > > > > sohamsa , "Sanjay Rath" <guruji@> wrote:> >> > | om gurave namah |> > Dear Himanshu,> > The the unmada yoga goes to the seventh house. What to speak of> > relationships and marriage?> > Best wishes and warm regards,> > Sanjay Rath> > > > Personal: <http://srath.com/blog/> WebPages ¡ü > <http://srath.com/blog/>> > Rath¡Çs Rhapsody> > SJC WebPages: <http://.org/> Sri Jagannath Center ¡ü> > <http://sjcerc.com/> SJCERC ¡ü <http://jiva.us/> JIVA> > Publications: <http://thejyotishdigest.com/> The Jyotish Digest ¡ü> > <http://sagittariuspublications.com/> Sagittarius Publications> > -> ---> > > > > > _____> > > > sohamsa [sohamsa ] On > Behalf Of> > Himanshu Mohan> > Monday, May 29, 2006 10:39 AM> > sohamsa > > Re: [Rath's Rhapsody] Sama Saptaka Concept> > > > > > Om Ganeshay Namah> > ||Om Namo Bahgawate Vasudevaya||> > Dear Sanjay ji,> > Pranam Gurudeva.> > 1. I am very eager to know the remedies to be advised for Saturn> (1)-> > Mars(7).> > 2. On the other hand, when Saturn is in 7th and Mars is in 1st, > they> > still remain mutually diagonally opposite but obviously they are> > better placed. What about this placement?> > > > Regards,> > Om Shri Krishnarpanamastu.> > Himanshu Mohan> > > > > > > > > > > > > > *tat savitur varenyam*> > > > > > > > > >

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Dear Sanjay ji

Namaste

 

Vargas means Class(as in classification).Rashi vargas-various classes of

the same Rashi(kshethra/Hora etc).The position(degree) of a planet or

lagna decides the sambandha they are having.Bhavas are 12 in number and

is a common factor.Basic principle called Rashi is the basis for a

Bhava.It is based on Guna/Tattwa division of space.Kshethra is just one

type of Rashi classification.Unless we reach mutual agreement on this, i

think we are in a deadlock.Neither Pramanas nor my limited intelligence

is able to help me in understanding your view points.But you are free to

hold your views.

 

Rashi-Tulya,Navamsha Tulya etc are relative studies of planetary

sambandhas with various Rashis.We can call them as

-Karakamsha,Karakamshaka,Atmakraka navamsha or any covenient name.

Why is the status, of navamsha dispositor, of a planet studied.Why do we

study this in the so called D-1 and not in D-9.The lord of the sign on

to which a planet is having navamsha sambandha,is responsible for the

results expected,is my understanding.

 

I agree with karaka lagna.As the word karaka is devoid of amsha,the

rashi in which atmakaraka is placed becomes karaka lagna.

 

Kind Regds

Pradeep

 

sohamsa , " Sanjay Rath " <guruji wrote:

>

> | om gurave namah |

> Dear Pradeep

> Perhaps you are talking about a new Kerala school of astrology which

uses

> karakamsa in the Rasi chart as we use Karakamsa-ka. So it is fine.

There is

> no need for us to fight over language as it does not matter and

finally we

> are speaking only in english language. The basic point is that we

accept the

> following -

> 1. that the atmakaraka can occupy a navamsa, and that Dr Raman and

Rath call

> this karakamsa which is what every traditional astrologer in India

does, I

> do not know what you call this but you do recognise the fact that it

can

> occupy a navamsa

> 2. that the navamsa sign occupied by the armakaraka can be referred to

in

> the rasi chart based on 'rashi tulya amsa' principle. We from Orissa

call

> this Karakamsa-ka, while you prefer to call this by some other name,

so it

> is fine. K.N.Rao calls this karakamsa while Dr Raman is silent about

this (I

> have not read any of his writings on this).

> 3. The atmakaraka occupies a rashi in the D1 chart and this can be

treated

> as first house from AK and is called Karaka Lagna by those of us from

Orissa

> who a bit blind about following Parasara, you are welcome to call it

> whatever you want. If the Kerala school has another name, please tell

us

> about it.

> Best wishes and warm regards,

> Sanjay Rath

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> sohamsa [sohamsa ] On

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> vijayadas_pradeep

> Tuesday, May 30, 2006 1:12 AM

> sohamsa

> Re: [Rath's Rhapsody] Sama Saptaka Concept

>

>

> Dear Narasimha ji & Sanjay ji

>

> Narasimha ji,i would like to second your opinion here.Sama-Saptaka is

just

> pointing to mutual 1/7th.Sama is to qualify the ''similar'' distance

from

> one another and saptaka explains the distance viz,seven.This is the

only

> relationship in jyotish,where the distance is similar and hence the

usage of

> sama.

>

> Sanjayji -Myself had expressed similar concern over your explanation

of

> karakamsha''ka'',for which you were not interested in a reply.In

Kerala the

> age old tradition(parampara) uses the word ''Amshakam'' for the

Navamsha of

> planets.(Sathya is Sathyam as per our usage and hence Amashaka is

Amshakam

> for us).They also say ''Amshichirkkunna Rashi'' - Literally meaning

:the

> Rashi on to which a planet is having amsha.

> Thus Navamsha or Karakamsha qualifies the source(planet or lagna)

while

> Navamshaka or Karakamshaka qualifies the destination(Rashi).Thus we

can

> express navamsha in two grammatical forms.

>

> a)Navamsha of Jupiter is IN Mithuna Rashi

> b)Navamsha''ka'' Rashi OF jupiter is Mithuna - (Kindly note the

grammatical

> difference )

>

> You are free to hold different views.

>

> Thanks

> Pradeep

>

>

> sohamsa , " Narasimha P.V.R. Rao " pvr@ wrote:

> >

> > Pranaams Sanjay,

> >

> > > Sama-Saptaka " means mutual seventh and refers to the placement of

two

> > > 'otherwise friendly planets' in mutual one-seventh houses from

each

> other.

> > > The placement of two diremalefics in such places is not considered

> > > 'sama-saptaka'. For this purpose the planets must have at least

'SAMA'

> > > relationship in the Graha Maitrya (five types of relationship)

table.

> >

> > Is this simply your thinking or based on a classic or tradition?

> >

> > Sama seems to suggest equality of placement (i.e. 7 and 7 instead of

6 and

> 8 or 8 and 6 or 2 and 12 etc) rather than neutrality of relationship.

> Instead of saying " sapta-saptakam " (like " shad-ashtakam " ), they say

" sama

> saptakam " . It does not seem to suggest that planets should have

atleast

> " sama " relationship. That would seem like a far-fetched

interpretation.

> Moreover, I have seen learned elders using the term " Ravi-Shani sama

> saptakam " when Sun and Saturn are in Cp-Cn or Sg-Ge etc.

> >

> > Thus, I will be skeptical about what you said, unless you have some

kind

> of strong basis. Please let us know the basis for your statement.

> >

> > May the light of Brahman shine within,

> > Narasimha

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>

>

> *tat savitur varenyam*

>

>

>

>

>

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| om gurave namah |Dear Souvik,Mahapurusa yogawhat happens to a human being after he endures suffering? In what direction does the Mahapurusa go? Can we ignore lagna? Look at this statement -Lakshmi brings Love to the nativeGriha Lakshmi gives him all the comforts and securityDhana Lakshmi gives him the wealth of values that he cherishesKanakdhara gives him a stable business or carrer so that the flow of wealth and energy is sustainableMahalakshmi gives him victory in warVijaya lakshmi gives him victory in debates and legal battles...Did you notice how the prefix Maha causes a warrior like image. That is what I was always advising that people should think of the panca mahapurusha as the five pandava brothers. See the definition for Kaladruma yoga and here also we find the condition of victory in wars and battles and this is associated with Lagna. To think of the Mahapurusa as the five heads of Lord Shiva is correct in a spiritual context but it fails to appreciate the condition that Shiva told Draupadi - no human being can be born with all the five heads or abilities in its complete form. That is why Draupadi had to have five husbands to fulfill the five mahapurusha requirements/abilities.'Kendra-adipati' dosha of beneficsNow the word 'Kendra-adipati' clearly means 'lordship of quadrant house' which are defined as 10th, 7th, 4th and 1st in that order of strengths. The four kendra are the four doors of the horoscope through whch good and bad comes into the natives life. The lords of the Kendra are responsible to guard the doors and allow people to enter and exit. This is easily understood from the 'bhupura' of any chakra where the four doors are in the kendra/quadrants.Now if you want to have a guard for the door, what would be the attributes that you will select? A good Pandit who is well versed in the vedas (Jup) or a black belt in Karate (Mars)? Naturally the Pandit will make a mess of things if he is asked to guard the door. He will fail to be strict due to his innate goodness and all sorts of riff-raff will enter into that area of his life thereby exploiting and damaging his life. A malefic planet will be harsh (Mars) strict (Saturn) or suspicious (Rahu) or very fiery (Sun) and will guard the door of his life with superb ability.That is the meaning of Kendradhipati dosha.Now what happens if the benefic gets fighting powers and a brahmin who is supposed to read books and Vedas decides to make weapons (take the case of Dronacharya or Albert Einstein or all those scientists who are involved in arms manufacture)...believe me, they will end up making the most destructive weapons in the world. A brahmin must always use his brains for spiritual path and peace. So when the benefic who is the lord of a Kendra also occupies a Kendra which happens to be its own sign or exaltation, then it becomes a 'Maha' Graha and has fighting powers, which when invoked can be very harsh.What happens in real life is that at first the benefic allows all kinds of riff-raff to enter that aspects of his life and this is sure to happen if the lord of the Kendra is placed in a dusthana, especially the 6th house. This is the real meaning of Kendradhipati dosha. If the benefic is instead strong like being vargottama or in its own sign/exaltation in kendra forming a Maha yoga then the native will fight back and depending on stregth of the benefic will succeed or lose. In such a case it is crucial to make the benefic strong with gemstones and worship of the adhi devata or pratyadhi devata etc as per standard methods taught.The area of life is seen from below -Lagna - dharma or duties [and reputation in real life, ]4th house - moksha or [home in real life including personal friends who come home, personal servants at home, etc]7th house - spouse, people who interact with you for matters of pleasure and entertainment...another group of friends10th house - all people associated with your work and financesBest wishes and warm regards,Sanjay RathParam Guru Sanjay Rathji,Pranam.Indeed that is such a wonderful explanation.However, I am just left with one (or should I say a few) doubt.This is about Pacha Mahapurusha Yoga when superimposed with SamaSaptaka concept.I know and definitely understand after listening to each and everyclass of Atri that Sasa and Ruchaka MahaPurusha Yoga applies attamasic levels. However nevertheless we cannot deny them from beingtwo out of five faces of Shiva (this is what I understand).Under such circumstances would you consider a Libran Asc with Sat inLagna and Mars in Moolatrikona in 7th. as a mentally ill person?In one of your Atri classes you have mentioned yourself that Saturnin Bharani is good, Bharani being the nakshtra of Yama. I know of aperson heading an organization quite big having Arian Saturn in Lagnaand well honestly he is not insane.The same classics you have mentioned that praise Jup in Kendra alsotalk about Kendrapati Dosha-Jup and Mer in Kendra for Pis,Sagg,Gemini and Virgo Lagna. How can a same benefic be good and bad inKendra. Isn't it true that malefics in Kendra are considered good?I maybe completely confused or misinterpreting things.Please do clear my ignorance.ThanksSouvik---------om gurave namah |Dear SouvikThat was precisely the point I was trying to make when discussingthe meaning of Sama saptaka. According to the standard dictum,Jupiter in lagna and Mars in 7H or vice-versa should cause this whileanother dictum clearly confirms Saturn in lagna and Mars in 7H.The point I was trying to make is to understand the Sama nature ofthe planets involved. In the chart of your sister, Venus is in lagnaand degree wise is far more dominant than Saturn. In fact she shouldbe independent, listening to everyone but doing what she feels right,ill health till say 10 years of age (general)...and definitely farfrom madness. She will actually be a very intelligent person. So yousee how the presence of Venus in lagna has made the yoga defunct.Now you see when Jupiter is in lagna and Mars is in the 7th, shouldwe listen to Atri and Agastya praising this great yoga as the guru-mangala yoga in Sapta Rishi nadi or should I take that unmada yogacombination? What happens to all those other slokas about Guru inlagna and natural benefic like Jup destroying all evils (you havealso made this point). So definitely that yoga mentioned is defunctand the yoga will work if Mars is in or aspects lagna and Jupiter isin 5 or 9th house but definitely not when Guru is in Kendra in lagna.Best wishes and warm regards,Sanjay Rath --Posted by Pt.Sanjay Rath to Rath's Rhapsody at 5/31/2006 09:33:00 AM

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Bravo Guruji, Bravo!

 

This is no less than an Atri class by itself!

 

I have greatly benefitted from these mails.

 

Please accept my humble respect and Pranam!

 

Student Always,

 

Souvik

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Dear Sanjayji,

 

Namaste!

 

MAny thanks for your response but unfortunately I goofed up in

framing the query. This Sama Saptaka is on the 2-8 axis of Taurus

Lagna. So Jupiter is not in lagna and Rahu is not lord of 9th. How

would the khichri be now? U mentioned something about " vijaya " when

Jupiter and Mars are placed opposite each other. What kind of vijaya

would this be on 2-8 axis?

 

I shall be soooo grateful for your response, pl.

 

Warm regards,

 

Vinita

 

 

 

 

sohamsa , " Sanjay Rath " <guruji wrote:

>

> | om gurave namah |

> Dear Vinita

> Saturn is in marana sthana in the first house and Venus takes

over, so whatever negative indications we may have from the Saturn-

Mars opposing lines will actually show up after marriage.

Fortunately in that scenario Venus is in the first house to take

care of whatever maladies that may arise as it is superb in makara

lagna.

> In the case you cite, the Mars is a malefic but its conjunction

with the 9th lord debilitated Rahu gives strange notions about

dharma and spirituality and the native is always looking 'beyond the

border'. Mars is in MKS but then I cosnider Jup in lagna a superb

placement for Gemini, so there should be no fret.

> Look at the combination of planets Vinita - Jup + Sun + Ketu +

Merc in gemini...that is one very very tasty khichri out there

> Best wishes and warm regards,

> Sanjay Rath

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Behalf Of vinita kumar

> Tuesday, May 30, 2006 12:44 PM

> sohamsa

> Re: [Rath's Rhapsody] Sama Saptaka Concept

>

>

> Dear Sanjayji,

>

> Namaste!

>

> I have a query with regard to the interpretation of the above

> relationship. In the example Souvik gave of his sister, Venus

> conjunct at 1* with the ascendant is considered to be stronger

than

> Saturn in its own house in the Sama Saptaka relationship. How is

the

> strength of the planets to be determined when many are conjoined?

> For instance if there are six planets on the 1-7 axis, how should

> this be interpreted? (Jupiter 15*, Sun 17*, Ketu 21* and Mercury

22*

> in Gemini for Taurus Lagna and Mars 6* and Rahu 21* in Saggi). Is

it

> a khichri with no clear cut strong influences or would u still

think

> there is some kind of a vijaya yoga between the sama planets Mars

> and Jupiter? Is so, vijaya over what?

>

> This combination has been puzzling me for some time. So I shall be

> very grateful if you could help with the interpretation.

>

> Warm regards,

>

> Vinita

>

>

>

> sohamsa , " Sanjay Rath " <guruji@> wrote:

> >

> > | om gurave namah |

> > Dear Souvik

> > That was precisely the point I was trying to make when

discussing

> the meaning of Sama saptaka. According to the standard dictum,

> Jupiter in lagna and Mars in 7H or vice-versa should cause this

> while another dictum clearly confirms Saturn in lagna and Mars in

7H.

> >

> > The point I was trying to make is to understand the Sama nature

of

> the planets involved. In the chart of your sister, Venus is in

lagna

> and degree wise is far more dominant than Saturn. In fact she

should

> be independent, listening to everyone but doing what she feels

> right, ill health till say 10 years of age (general)...and

> definitely far from madness. She will actually be a very

intelligent

> person. So you see how the presence of Venus in lagna has made the

> yoga defunct.

> >

> > Now you see when Jupiter is in lagna and Mars is in the 7th,

> should we listen to Atri and Agastya praising this great yoga as

the

> guru-mangala yoga in Sapta Rishi nadi or should I take that unmada

> yoga combination? What happens to all those other slokas about

Guru

> in lagna and natural benefic like Jup destroying all evils (you

have

> also made this point). So definitely that yoga mentioned is

defunct

> and the yoga will work if Mars is in or aspects lagna and Jupiter

is

> in 5 or 9th house but definitely not when Guru is in Kendra in

lagna.

> >

> > Best wishes and warm regards,

> > Sanjay Rath

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> > sohamsa [sohamsa ]

On

> Behalf Of Souvik Dutta

> > Monday, May 29, 2006 10:38 PM

> > sohamsa

> > Re: [Rath's Rhapsody] Sama Saptaka Concept

> >

> >

> > Param Guru Sanjay Rathji,

> >

> > Pranam.

> >

> > I had a small query on Unmada Yoga.

> >

> > I shall be honored if you could educate me on this.

> >

> > Would the universal dictum of Parasara (Ch10., Antidotes for

Evils

> at

> > birth, Verse 2) work for Unmada Yoga?

> >

> > " Should one among Budh, Guru and Úukr be in an angle from

Lagn,

> all

> > evils are destroyed, as Sûrya eliminates darkness. "

> >

> > My sister has Saturn in Lagna in Capricorn and Mars in Cancer in

> 7th.

> > with Jupiter in 9th. and Venus conjunct her Asc.(1 Degree). She

is

> far

> > from being mad (although most of the times at me, I must

> > confess :)).

> >

> > I know two other cases where the Unmada Yoga combination you

have

> > mentioned exists and they are (as I perceive them) far from

being

> > publicly portrayed as insane.

> >

> > Please do let me know if you mean eccentricity or pure madness.

> >

> > If it is eccentricity then I guess I am more eccentric than my

> sister:)

> >

> > Thanks

> >

> > Souvik

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > *tat savitur varenyam*

> >

> >

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> >