Guest guest Posted May 29, 2006 Report Share Posted May 29, 2006 "Sama-Saptaka" means mutual seventh and refers to the placement of two 'otherwise friendly planets' in mutual one-seventh houses from each other.The placement of two diremalefics in such places is not considered 'sama-saptaka'. For this purpose the planets must have at least 'SAMA'relationship in the Graha Maitrya (five types of relationship) table.I will give two illustrations to explain my point.(1)The mutual placement of Saturn and Mars in the 1st and 7th houses causes Unmada Yoga or madness.Thus this position cannot be called Sama-saptaka as the planets are not only natural enemies, but also temporal enemies. What is worse, both are inMarana Karaka Sthana.(2) The Mutual placement of Jupiter and Mars in the first and seventh house axis resulted in a powerful Guru-Mangala Yoga for Bhagavan Sri Rama and He cannot be defeated in battle. This is taught by Krishna as 'among warriors, I am Rama' - Bhagavat Gita. --Posted by Pt.Sanjay Rath to Rath's Rhapsody at 5/29/2006 07:38:00 AM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 29, 2006 Report Share Posted May 29, 2006 Pranaams Sanjay, > Sama-Saptaka" means mutual seventh and refers to the placement of two > 'otherwise friendly planets' in mutual one-seventh houses from each other.> The placement of two diremalefics in such places is not considered > 'sama-saptaka'. For this purpose the planets must have at least 'SAMA' > relationship in the Graha Maitrya (five types of relationship) table. Is this simply your thinking or based on a classic or tradition? Sama seems to suggest equality of placement (i.e. 7 and 7 instead of 6 and 8 or 8 and 6 or 2 and 12 etc) rather than neutrality of relationship. Instead of saying "sapta-saptakam" (like "shad-ashtakam"), they say "sama saptakam". It does not seem to suggest that planets should have atleast "sama" relationship. That would seem like a far-fetched interpretation. Moreover, I have seen learned elders using the term "Ravi-Shani sama saptakam" when Sun and Saturn are in Cp-Cn or Sg-Ge etc. Thus, I will be skeptical about what you said, unless you have some kind of strong basis. Please let us know the basis for your statement. May the light of Brahman shine within, Narasimha ------------------------------- Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org ------------------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 29, 2006 Report Share Posted May 29, 2006 Om Ganeshay Namah ||Om Namo Bahgawate Vasudevaya|| Dear Sanjay ji, Pranam Gurudeva. 1. I am very eager to know the remedies to be advised for Saturn(1)- Mars(7). 2. On the other hand, when Saturn is in 7th and Mars is in 1st, they still remain mutually diagonally opposite but obviously they are better placed. What about this placement? Regards, Om Shri Krishnarpanamastu. Himanshu Mohan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 29, 2006 Report Share Posted May 29, 2006 | om gurave namah |Dear Himanshu, The the unmada yoga goes to the seventh house. What to speak of relationships and marriage?Best wishes and warm regards,Sanjay RathPersonal: WebPages ¡ü Rath¡Çs Rhapsody SJC WebPages: Sri Jagannath Center ¡ü SJCERC ¡ü JIVAPublications: The Jyotish Digest ¡ü Sagittarius Publications---- sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of Himanshu MohanMonday, May 29, 2006 10:39 AMsohamsa Subject: Re: [Rath's Rhapsody] Sama Saptaka Concept Om Ganeshay Namah||Om Namo Bahgawate Vasudevaya||Dear Sanjay ji,Pranam Gurudeva.1. I am very eager to know the remedies to be advised for Saturn(1)-Mars(7).2. On the other hand, when Saturn is in 7th and Mars is in 1st, they still remain mutually diagonally opposite but obviously they are better placed. What about this placement?Regards,Om Shri Krishnarpanamastu.Himanshu Mohan avast! Antivirus: Outbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 0621-4, 05/26/2006Tested on: 5/29/2006 12:04:24 PMavast! - copyright © 1988-2006 ALWIL Software. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 29, 2006 Report Share Posted May 29, 2006 | om gurave namah |Dear Narasimha It is 'Rah's Rhapsody' and then you can see what I have written on top of those pages in the blog. Rest will be clear. On the question of Ravi-Shani sama saptaka, a reference would be appreciated. Since when did Ravi and Shani become so friendly as not to ruin the matters indicated by the Sun and bring terrible hardship when this happens. OK. Then do you think Sri Rama had unmada yoga? Can you explain the meaning of Jup in his lagna and Mars in 7th house. If not then I think what I had said has relevance and a better understanding of sama-saptaka. If all planets sitting in 1-7 axis are sama-saptaka then the yogas like unmada yoga and so many other duryoga would be dysfunctional and contradictory. Shad-astaka shows the relationship when planets are mutually in 6-8 positions and the words are sufficient to explain the relationship. Best wishes and warm regards,Sanjay RathPersonal: WebPages ¡ü Rath¡Çs Rhapsody SJC WebPages: Sri Jagannath Center ¡ü SJCERC ¡ü JIVAPublications: The Jyotish Digest ¡ü Sagittarius Publications---- sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of Narasimha P.V.R. RaoMonday, May 29, 2006 10:24 AMsohamsa ; vedic astrology ; Subject: Re: [Rath's Rhapsody] Sama Saptaka Concept Pranaams Sanjay, > Sama-Saptaka" means mutual seventh and refers to the placement of two > 'otherwise friendly planets' in mutual one-seventh houses from each other.> The placement of two diremalefics in such places is not considered > 'sama-saptaka'. For this purpose the planets must have at least 'SAMA' > relationship in the Graha Maitrya (five types of relationship) table. Is this simply your thinking or based on a classic or tradition? Sama seems to suggest equality of placement (i.e. 7 and 7 instead of 6 and 8 or 8 and 6 or 2 and 12 etc) rather than neutrality of relationship. Instead of saying "sapta-saptakam" (like "shad-ashtakam"), they say "sama saptakam". It does not seem to suggest that planets should have atleast "sama" relationship. That would seem like a far-fetched interpretation. Moreover, I have seen learned elders using the term "Ravi-Shani sama saptakam" when Sun and Saturn are in Cp-Cn or Sg-Ge etc. Thus, I will be skeptical about what you said, unless you have some kind of strong basis. Please let us know the basis for your statement. May the light of Brahman shine within, Narasimha ------------------------------- Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org ------------------------------- avast! Antivirus: Outbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 0621-4, 05/26/2006Tested on: 5/29/2006 12:10:30 PMavast! - copyright © 1988-2006 ALWIL Software. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 29, 2006 Report Share Posted May 29, 2006 Dear Sanjay Ji, Pranaam. I have been in close contact with a person who has Mangal in Kanya Lagna and Shani in the 7th House. There are visible strains in the marriage and his nature is akin to an out of control Mangal, Kuja being the 3rd and 8th Lord. I have on occasion seen him struggling to control almost an insane rage, through clenched teeth. However, he also has the reputation of being a 'paper-tiger' and prior to learning this, I had said that reality considerations( Shani) would temper the somewhat out of control impulses of Mangal. Is there any standard interpretation of the inversion of this Unmada Yoga, when the Grahas are no longer in their Marana Karaka Sthanas or will this have to be judged from nativity to nativity based on lordship considerations etc. Regards. Anurag. sohamsa , " Sanjay Rath " <guruji wrote: > > | om gurave namah | > Dear Himanshu, > The the unmada yoga goes to the seventh house. What to speak of > relationships and marriage? > Best wishes and warm regards, > Sanjay Rath > > Personal: <http://srath.com/blog/> WebPages ¡ü <http://srath.com/blog/> > Rath¡Çs Rhapsody > SJC WebPages: <http://.org/> Sri Jagannath Center ¡ü > <http://sjcerc.com/> SJCERC ¡ü <http://jiva.us/> JIVA > Publications: <http://thejyotishdigest.com/> The Jyotish Digest ¡ü > <http://sagittariuspublications.com/> Sagittarius Publications > - --- > > > _____ > > sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of > Himanshu Mohan > Monday, May 29, 2006 10:39 AM > sohamsa > Re: [Rath's Rhapsody] Sama Saptaka Concept > > > Om Ganeshay Namah > ||Om Namo Bahgawate Vasudevaya|| > Dear Sanjay ji, > Pranam Gurudeva. > 1. I am very eager to know the remedies to be advised for Saturn (1)- > Mars(7). > 2. On the other hand, when Saturn is in 7th and Mars is in 1st, they > still remain mutually diagonally opposite but obviously they are > better placed. What about this placement? > > Regards, > Om Shri Krishnarpanamastu. > Himanshu Mohan *tat savitur varenyam* > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 29, 2006 Report Share Posted May 29, 2006 Hare Krishna Pranams, Dear Sanjay, My undersanding is that the reason a person goes mad in the case of unmada yoga is because the tattwas,gunas, etc life airs etc are so out of wack it causes a great imbalance and thus maddness, ill health,shorter life span,prevail, etc. There is a big difference of having Saturn on ones head or jupiter and all the blessings jupiter bestows. with regards, Lakshmi sohamsa , " Sanjay Rath " <guruji wrote: > > | om gurave namah | > Dear Narasimha > > It is 'Rah's Rhapsody' and then you can see what I have written on top of > those pages in the blog. Rest will be clear. > > On the question of Ravi-Shani sama saptaka, a reference would be > appreciated. Since when did Ravi and Shani become so friendly as not to ruin > the matters indicated by the Sun and bring terrible hardship when this > happens. > > OK. Then do you think Sri Rama had unmada yoga? Can you explain the meaning > of Jup in his lagna and Mars in 7th house. If not then I think what I had > said has relevance and a better understanding of sama-saptaka. If all > planets sitting in 1-7 axis are sama-saptaka then the yogas like unmada yoga > and so many other duryoga would be dysfunctional and contradictory. > > Shad-astaka shows the relationship when planets are mutually in 6-8 > positions and the words are sufficient to explain the relationship. > Best wishes and warm regards, > Sanjay Rath > > Personal: <http://srath.com/blog/> WebPages ¡ü <http://srath.com/blog/> > Rath¡Çs Rhapsody > SJC WebPages: <http://.org/> Sri Jagannath Center ¡ü > <http://sjcerc.com/> SJCERC ¡ü <http://jiva.us/> JIVA > Publications: <http://thejyotishdigest.com/> The Jyotish Digest ¡ü > <http://sagittariuspublications.com/> Sagittarius Publications > - --- > > > > _____ > > sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of > Narasimha P.V.R. Rao > Monday, May 29, 2006 10:24 AM > sohamsa ; vedic astrology ; > > Re: [Rath's Rhapsody] Sama Saptaka Concept > > > Pranaams Sanjay, > > > Sama-Saptaka " means mutual seventh and refers to the placement of two > > 'otherwise friendly planets' in mutual one-seventh houses from each other. > > The placement of two diremalefics in such places is not considered > > 'sama-saptaka'. For this purpose the planets must have at least 'SAMA' > > relationship in the Graha Maitrya (five types of relationship) table. > > Is this simply your thinking or based on a classic or tradition? > > Sama seems to suggest equality of placement (i.e. 7 and 7 instead of 6 and 8 > or 8 and 6 or 2 and 12 etc) rather than neutrality of relationship. Instead > of saying " sapta-saptakam " (like " shad-ashtakam " ), they say " sama saptakam " . > It does not seem to suggest that planets should have atleast " sama " > relationship. That would seem like a far-fetched interpretation. Moreover, I > have seen learned elders using the term " Ravi-Shani sama saptakam " when Sun > and Saturn are in Cp-Cn or Sg-Ge etc. > > Thus, I will be skeptical about what you said, unless you have some kind of > strong basis. Please let us know the basis for your statement. > > May the light of Brahman shine within, > Narasimha > ------------------------------- > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org > ------------------------------- > > > > *tat savitur varenyam* > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 29, 2006 Report Share Posted May 29, 2006 Jaya Jagannatha Dear Sanjay ji, Namaste [ (1)The mutual placement of Saturn and Mars in the 1st and 7th houses causes Unmada Yoga or madness.] Were you saved from that in Mar 1997 (to be precise, 12th March 1997) when Saturn transited your asc., forming this yoga with natal Mars in the 7th, bearing in mind that TR Saturn and TR Jupiter were in exchange and Saturn touched in one degree exactly with Mars, 1-7 aspect and rasi drishti? Your natal Jupiter had to contend 4 other TR malefics (TR Sa, TR Ke, TR Ra and TR Mars) during the Cp-Ge-Li period. Is it possible to elaborate the transformation you went through wrt to your AK Saturn, AmK Jupiter and PK Mars? Love, Swee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 29, 2006 Report Share Posted May 29, 2006 Param Guru Sanjay Rathji, Pranam. I had a small query on Unmada Yoga. I shall be honored if you could educate me on this. Would the universal dictum of Parasara (Ch10., Antidotes for Evils at birth, Verse 2) work for Unmada Yoga? " Should one among Budh, Guru and Úukr be in an angle from Lagn, all evils are destroyed, as Sûrya eliminates darkness. " My sister has Saturn in Lagna in Capricorn and Mars in Cancer in 7th. with Jupiter in 9th. and Venus conjunct her Asc.(1 Degree). She is far from being mad (although most of the times at me, I must confess :)). I know two other cases where the Unmada Yoga combination you have mentioned exists and they are (as I perceive them) far from being publicly portrayed as insane. Please do let me know if you mean eccentricity or pure madness. If it is eccentricity then I guess I am more eccentric than my sister:) Thanks Souvik Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 29, 2006 Report Share Posted May 29, 2006  | om gurave namah |Dear Souvik That was precisely the point I was trying to make when discussing the meaning of Sama saptaka. According to the standard dictum, Jupiter in lagna and Mars in 7H or vice-versa should cause this while another dictum clearly confirms Saturn in lagna and Mars in 7H. The point I was trying to make is to understand the Sama nature of the planets involved. In the chart of your sister, Venus is in lagna and degree wise is far more dominant than Saturn. In fact she should be independent, listening to everyone but doing what she feels right, ill health till say 10 years of age (general)...and definitely far from madness. She will actually be a very intelligent person. So you see how the presence of Venus in lagna has made the yoga defunct. Now you see when Jupiter is in lagna and Mars is in the 7th, should we listen to Atri and Agastya praising this great yoga as the guru-mangala yoga in Sapta Rishi nadi or should I take that unmada yoga combination? What happens to all those other slokas about Guru in lagna and natural benefic like Jup destroying all evils (you have also made this point). So definitely that yoga mentioned is defunct and the yoga will work if Mars is in or aspects lagna and Jupiter is in 5 or 9th house but definitely not when Guru is in Kendra in lagna. Best wishes and warm regards,Sanjay RathPersonal: WebPages â— Rath’s Rhapsody SJC WebPages: Sri Jagannath Center â— SJCERC â— JIVAPublications: The Jyotish Digest â— Sagittarius Publications---- sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of Souvik DuttaMonday, May 29, 2006 10:38 PMsohamsa Subject: Re: [Rath's Rhapsody] Sama Saptaka Concept Param Guru Sanjay Rathji,Pranam.I had a small query on Unmada Yoga.I shall be honored if you could educate me on this.Would the universal dictum of Parasara (Ch10., Antidotes for Evils at birth, Verse 2) work for Unmada Yoga?"Should one among Budh, Guru and Úukr be in an angle from Lagn, all evils are destroyed, as Sûrya eliminates darkness."My sister has Saturn in Lagna in Capricorn and Mars in Cancer in 7th. with Jupiter in 9th. and Venus conjunct her Asc.(1 Degree). She is far from being mad (although most of the times at me, I must confess :)).I know two other cases where the Unmada Yoga combination you have mentioned exists and they are (as I perceive them) far from being publicly portrayed as insane.Please do let me know if you mean eccentricity or pure madness. If it is eccentricity then I guess I am more eccentric than my sister:)ThanksSouvik avast! Antivirus: Outbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 0622-1, 05/29/2006Tested on: 5/30/2006 12:27:27 AMavast! - copyright © 1988-2006 ALWIL Software. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 29, 2006 Report Share Posted May 29, 2006 Dear Narasimha ji & Sanjay jiNarasimha ji,i would like to second your opinion here.Sama-Saptaka is just pointing to mutual 1/7th.Sama is to qualify the ''similar'' distance from one another and saptaka explains the distance viz,seven.This is the only relationship in jyotish,where the distance is similar and hence the usage of sama.Sanjayji -Myself had expressed similar concern over your explanation of karakamsha''ka'',for which you were not interested in a reply.In Kerala the age old tradition(parampara) uses the word ''Amshakam'' for the Navamsha of planets.(Sathya is Sathyam as per our usage and hence Amashaka is Amshakam for us).They also say ''Amshichirkkunna Rashi'' - Literally meaning :the Rashi on to which a planet is having amsha.Thus Navamsha or Karakamsha qualifies the source(planet or lagna) while Navamshaka or Karakamshaka qualifies the destination(Rashi).Thus we can express navamsha in two grammatical forms.a)Navamsha of Jupiter is IN Mithuna Rashi b)Navamsha''ka'' Rashi OF jupiter is Mithuna - (Kindly note the grammatical difference )You are free to hold different views.ThanksPradeepsohamsa , "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" <pvr wrote:>> Pranaams Sanjay,> > > Sama-Saptaka" means mutual seventh and refers to the placement of two> > 'otherwise friendly planets' in mutual one-seventh houses from each other.> > The placement of two diremalefics in such places is not considered> > 'sama-saptaka'. For this purpose the planets must have at least 'SAMA'> > relationship in the Graha Maitrya (five types of relationship) table.> > Is this simply your thinking or based on a classic or tradition?> > Sama seems to suggest equality of placement (i.e. 7 and 7 instead of 6 and 8 or 8 and 6 or 2 and 12 etc) rather than neutrality of relationship. Instead of saying "sapta-saptakam" (like "shad-ashtakam"), they say "sama saptakam". It does not seem to suggest that planets should have atleast "sama" relationship. That would seem like a far-fetched interpretation. Moreover, I have seen learned elders using the term "Ravi-Shani sama saptakam" when Sun and Saturn are in Cp-Cn or Sg-Ge etc. > > Thus, I will be skeptical about what you said, unless you have some kind of strong basis. Please let us know the basis for your statement.> > May the light of Brahman shine within, > Narasimha> -------------------------------> Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net> Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org> Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org> -------------------------------> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 30, 2006 Report Share Posted May 30, 2006 | om gurave namah |Dear Pradeep Perhaps you are talking about a new Kerala school of astrology which uses karakamsa in the Rasi chart as we use Karakamsa-ka. So it is fine. There is no need for us to fight over language as it does not matter and finally we are speaking only in english language. The basic point is that we accept the following - 1. that the atmakaraka can occupy a navamsa, and that Dr Raman and Rath call this karakamsa which is what every traditional astrologer in India does, I do not know what you call this but you do recognise the fact that it can occupy a navamsa 2. that the navamsa sign occupied by the armakaraka can be referred to in the rasi chart based on 'rashi tulya amsa' principle. We from Orissa call this Karakamsa-ka, while you prefer to call this by some other name, so it is fine. K.N.Rao calls this karakamsa while Dr Raman is silent about this (I have not read any of his writings on this). 3. The atmakaraka occupies a rashi in the D1 chart and this can be treated as first house from AK and is called Karaka Lagna by those of us from Orissa who a bit blind about following Parasara, you are welcome to call it whatever you want. If the Kerala school has another name, please tell us about it.Best wishes and warm regards,Sanjay RathPersonal: WebPages ¡ü Rath¡Çs Rhapsody SJC WebPages: Sri Jagannath Center ¡ü SJCERC ¡ü JIVAPublications: The Jyotish Digest ¡ü Sagittarius Publications---- sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of vijayadas_pradeepTuesday, May 30, 2006 1:12 AMsohamsa Subject: Re: [Rath's Rhapsody] Sama Saptaka Concept Dear Narasimha ji & Sanjay jiNarasimha ji,i would like to second your opinion here.Sama-Saptaka is just pointing to mutual 1/7th.Sama is to qualify the ''similar'' distance from one another and saptaka explains the distance viz,seven.This is the only relationship in jyotish,where the distance is similar and hence the usage of sama.Sanjayji -Myself had expressed similar concern over your explanation of karakamsha''ka'',for which you were not interested in a reply.In Kerala the age old tradition(parampara) uses the word ''Amshakam'' for the Navamsha of planets.(Sathya is Sathyam as per our usage and hence Amashaka is Amshakam for us).They also say ''Amshichirkkunna Rashi'' - Literally meaning :the Rashi on to which a planet is having amsha.Thus Navamsha or Karakamsha qualifies the source(planet or lagna) while Navamshaka or Karakamshaka qualifies the destination(Rashi).Thus we can express navamsha in two grammatical forms.a)Navamsha of Jupiter is IN Mithuna Rashi b)Navamsha''ka'' Rashi OF jupiter is Mithuna - (Kindly note the grammatical difference )You are free to hold different views.ThanksPradeepsohamsa , "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" <pvr wrote:>> Pranaams Sanjay,> > > Sama-Saptaka" means mutual seventh and refers to the placement of two> > 'otherwise friendly planets' in mutual one-seventh houses from each other.> > The placement of two diremalefics in such places is not considered> > 'sama-saptaka'. For this purpose the planets must have at least 'SAMA'> > relationship in the Graha Maitrya (five types of relationship) table.> > Is this simply your thinking or based on a classic or tradition?> > Sama seems to suggest equality of placement (i.e. 7 and 7 instead of 6 and 8 or 8 and 6 or 2 and 12 etc) rather than neutrality of relationship. Instead of saying "sapta-saptakam" (like "shad-ashtakam"), they say "sama saptakam". It does not seem to suggest that planets should have atleast "sama" relationship. That would seem like a far-fetched interpretation. Moreover, I have seen learned elders using the term "Ravi-Shani sama saptakam" when Sun and Saturn are in Cp-Cn or Sg-Ge etc. > > Thus, I will be skeptical about what you said, unless you have some kind of strong basis. Please let us know the basis for your statement.> > May the light of Brahman shine within, > Narasimha> -------------------------------> Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net> Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org> Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org> -------------------------------> avast! Antivirus: Outbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 0622-1, 05/29/2006Tested on: 5/30/2006 12:15:17 PMavast! - copyright © 1988-2006 ALWIL Software. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 30, 2006 Report Share Posted May 30, 2006 Dear Sanjayji, Namaste! I have a query with regard to the interpretation of the above relationship. In the example Souvik gave of his sister, Venus conjunct at 1* with the ascendant is considered to be stronger than Saturn in its own house in the Sama Saptaka relationship. How is the strength of the planets to be determined when many are conjoined? For instance if there are six planets on the 1-7 axis, how should this be interpreted? (Jupiter 15*, Sun 17*, Ketu 21* and Mercury 22* in Gemini for Taurus Lagna and Mars 6* and Rahu 21* in Saggi). Is it a khichri with no clear cut strong influences or would u still think there is some kind of a vijaya yoga between the sama planets Mars and Jupiter? Is so, vijaya over what? This combination has been puzzling me for some time. So I shall be very grateful if you could help with the interpretation. Warm regards, Vinita sohamsa , " Sanjay Rath " <guruji wrote: > > | om gurave namah | > Dear Souvik > That was precisely the point I was trying to make when discussing the meaning of Sama saptaka. According to the standard dictum, Jupiter in lagna and Mars in 7H or vice-versa should cause this while another dictum clearly confirms Saturn in lagna and Mars in 7H. > > The point I was trying to make is to understand the Sama nature of the planets involved. In the chart of your sister, Venus is in lagna and degree wise is far more dominant than Saturn. In fact she should be independent, listening to everyone but doing what she feels right, ill health till say 10 years of age (general)...and definitely far from madness. She will actually be a very intelligent person. So you see how the presence of Venus in lagna has made the yoga defunct. > > Now you see when Jupiter is in lagna and Mars is in the 7th, should we listen to Atri and Agastya praising this great yoga as the guru-mangala yoga in Sapta Rishi nadi or should I take that unmada yoga combination? What happens to all those other slokas about Guru in lagna and natural benefic like Jup destroying all evils (you have also made this point). So definitely that yoga mentioned is defunct and the yoga will work if Mars is in or aspects lagna and Jupiter is in 5 or 9th house but definitely not when Guru is in Kendra in lagna. > > Best wishes and warm regards, > Sanjay Rath > > Personal: <http://srath.com/blog/> WebPages ◠<http://srath.com/blog/> Rath’s Rhapsody > SJC WebPages: <http://.org/> Sri Jagannath Center ◠<http://sjcerc.com/> SJCERC ◠<http://jiva.us/> JIVA > Publications: <http://thejyotishdigest.com/> The Jyotish Digest ◠<http://sagittariuspublications.com/> Sagittarius Publications > - --- > > > _____ > > sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of Souvik Dutta > Monday, May 29, 2006 10:38 PM > sohamsa > Re: [Rath's Rhapsody] Sama Saptaka Concept > > > Param Guru Sanjay Rathji, > > Pranam. > > I had a small query on Unmada Yoga. > > I shall be honored if you could educate me on this. > > Would the universal dictum of Parasara (Ch10., Antidotes for Evils at > birth, Verse 2) work for Unmada Yoga? > > " Should one among Budh, Guru and Úukr be in an angle from Lagn, all > evils are destroyed, as Sûrya eliminates darkness. " > > My sister has Saturn in Lagna in Capricorn and Mars in Cancer in 7th. > with Jupiter in 9th. and Venus conjunct her Asc.(1 Degree). She is far > from being mad (although most of the times at me, I must > confess :)). > > I know two other cases where the Unmada Yoga combination you have > mentioned exists and they are (as I perceive them) far from being > publicly portrayed as insane. > > Please do let me know if you mean eccentricity or pure madness. > > If it is eccentricity then I guess I am more eccentric than my sister:) > > Thanks > > Souvik > > > *tat savitur varenyam* > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 30, 2006 Report Share Posted May 30, 2006 Om Ganeshaya Namah ||Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya|| Dear Gurudeva Sanjay Ji, Pranaam. I would explain. I have seen a whole family of 5 brothers and one sister, all having Saturn-Mars in diagonal position. Two of them have Mars in 1 & Sa in 7. Others have in other axes. All of them behave almost UNMAADI, but temporarily, in anger and later on become normal. Three children, son of one brother, daughter of another brother and daughter of the sister also have the same combination. I have been showing this to people as to how clearly traces of astrological combinations also transmit akin to genes. I have also been able to see and show the similarity on their palmer lines due to my knowledge in palmistry. However, according to MA(1) and SA(7), UNMAAD Yoga should have occurred on the spouse then? or relationships probably! or regarding relationships!! However, this is not the case and this occurs to them most often. The son of the eldest bro' has SA(1) and MA(7) but no sign of any abnormal behaviour or passionate behaviour even. Let me also put up how I have been interpretting SA-MA so far. I consider it as a surgery of the body parts indicated, or such a part being hust with an iron tool like knife, scissors or the like so that blood flows. I never considered UNMAAD yoga truely effective unless Moon gets involved. Well, my present worry is due to the reason that my daughter also has MA(1) and SA(7). That is why I asked for remedies. She is very courageous, laborious and persistent in pursuance of goals she identifies for herself. She also has abundant will power; Very frail body but full of strength. This matches with individual MA and SA significance. She keps going when others with a stronger physical body shall get tired / exhausted. Although she does not show any signs of abnormal psycho behaviour often, I would certainly be more than eager to know what remedial action I must take or advise her as she is a grown up girl. I would fail the duty of being a worthy father if I did not make such efforts. Kindly bestow your GURU-Kripa guidance upon me. Pranaam Gurudeva. Om Shri Krishnarpanamastu. sohamsa , " Anurag Sharma " <anuraagsharma27 wrote: > > Dear Sanjay Ji, > > Pranaam. > > I have been in close contact with a person who has Mangal in Kanya > Lagna and Shani in the 7th House. There are visible strains in the > marriage and his nature is akin to an out of control Mangal, Kuja > being the 3rd and 8th Lord. I have on occasion seen him struggling > to control almost an insane rage, through clenched teeth. However, > he also has the reputation of being a 'paper-tiger' and prior to > learning this, I had said that reality considerations( Shani) would > temper the somewhat out of control impulses of Mangal. > > Is there any standard interpretation of the inversion of this Unmada > Yoga, when the Grahas are no longer in their Marana Karaka Sthanas > or will this have to be judged from nativity to nativity based on > lordship considerations etc. > > Regards. > > Anurag. > > sohamsa , " Sanjay Rath " <guruji@> wrote: > > > > | om gurave namah | > > Dear Himanshu, > > The the unmada yoga goes to the seventh house. What to speak of > > relationships and marriage? > > Best wishes and warm regards, > > Sanjay Rath > > > > Personal: <http://srath.com/blog/> WebPages ¡ü > <http://srath.com/blog/> > > Rath¡Çs Rhapsody > > SJC WebPages: <http://.org/> Sri Jagannath Center ¡ü > > <http://sjcerc.com/> SJCERC ¡ü <http://jiva.us/> JIVA > > Publications: <http://thejyotishdigest.com/> The Jyotish Digest ¡ü > > <http://sagittariuspublications.com/> Sagittarius Publications > > - > --- > > > > > > _____ > > > > sohamsa [sohamsa ] On > Behalf Of > > Himanshu Mohan > > Monday, May 29, 2006 10:39 AM > > sohamsa > > Re: [Rath's Rhapsody] Sama Saptaka Concept > > > > > > Om Ganeshay Namah > > ||Om Namo Bahgawate Vasudevaya|| > > Dear Sanjay ji, > > Pranam Gurudeva. > > 1. I am very eager to know the remedies to be advised for Saturn > (1)- > > Mars(7). > > 2. On the other hand, when Saturn is in 7th and Mars is in 1st, > they > > still remain mutually diagonally opposite but obviously they are > > better placed. What about this placement? > > > > Regards, > > Om Shri Krishnarpanamastu. > > Himanshu Mohan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *tat savitur varenyam* > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 30, 2006 Report Share Posted May 30, 2006  | om gurave namah |Dear Vinita Saturn is in marana sthana in the first house and Venus takes over, so whatever negative indications we may have from the Saturn-Mars opposing lines will actually show up after marriage. Fortunately in that scenario Venus is in the first house to take care of whatever maladies that may arise as it is superb in makara lagna. In the case you cite, the Mars is a malefic but its conjunction with the 9th lord debilitated Rahu gives strange notions about dharma and spirituality and the native is always looking 'beyond the border'. Mars is in MKS but then I cosnider Jup in lagna a superb placement for Gemini, so there should be no fret. Look at the combination of planets Vinita - Jup + Sun + Ketu + Merc in gemini...that is one very very tasty khichri out there :)Best wishes and warm regards,Sanjay RathPersonal: WebPages ◠Rath’s Rhapsody SJC WebPages: Sri Jagannath Center ◠SJCERC ◠JIVAPublications: The Jyotish Digest ◠Sagittarius Publications---- sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of vinita kumarTuesday, May 30, 2006 12:44 PMsohamsa Subject: Re: [Rath's Rhapsody] Sama Saptaka Concept Dear Sanjayji,Namaste!I have a query with regard to the interpretation of the above relationship. In the example Souvik gave of his sister, Venus conjunct at 1* with the ascendant is considered to be stronger than Saturn in its own house in the Sama Saptaka relationship. How is the strength of the planets to be determined when many are conjoined? For instance if there are six planets on the 1-7 axis, how should this be interpreted? (Jupiter 15*, Sun 17*, Ketu 21* and Mercury 22* in Gemini for Taurus Lagna and Mars 6* and Rahu 21* in Saggi). Is it a khichri with no clear cut strong influences or would u still think there is some kind of a vijaya yoga between the sama planets Mars and Jupiter? Is so, vijaya over what?This combination has been puzzling me for some time. So I shall be very grateful if you could help with the interpretation.Warm regards,Vinitasohamsa , "Sanjay Rath" <guruji wrote:>> | om gurave namah |> Dear Souvik> That was precisely the point I was trying to make when discussing the meaning of Sama saptaka. According to the standard dictum, Jupiter in lagna and Mars in 7H or vice-versa should cause this while another dictum clearly confirms Saturn in lagna and Mars in 7H.> > The point I was trying to make is to understand the Sama nature of the planets involved. In the chart of your sister, Venus is in lagna and degree wise is far more dominant than Saturn. In fact she should be independent, listening to everyone but doing what she feels right, ill health till say 10 years of age (general)...and definitely far from madness. She will actually be a very intelligent person. So you see how the presence of Venus in lagna has made the yoga defunct. > > Now you see when Jupiter is in lagna and Mars is in the 7th, should we listen to Atri and Agastya praising this great yoga as the guru-mangala yoga in Sapta Rishi nadi or should I take that unmada yoga combination? What happens to all those other slokas about Guru in lagna and natural benefic like Jup destroying all evils (you have also made this point). So definitely that yoga mentioned is defunct and the yoga will work if Mars is in or aspects lagna and Jupiter is in 5 or 9th house but definitely not when Guru is in Kendra in lagna.> > Best wishes and warm regards,> Sanjay Rath> > Personal: <http://srath.com/blog/> WebPages â— <http://srath.com/blog/> Rath’s Rhapsody > SJC WebPages: <http://.org/> Sri Jagannath Center â— <http://sjcerc.com/> SJCERC â— <http://jiva.us/> JIVA> Publications: <http://thejyotishdigest.com/> The Jyotish Digest â— <http://sagittariuspublications.com/> Sagittarius Publications> ----> > > _____ > > sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of Souvik Dutta> Monday, May 29, 2006 10:38 PM> sohamsa > Re: [Rath's Rhapsody] Sama Saptaka Concept> > > Param Guru Sanjay Rathji,> > Pranam.> > I had a small query on Unmada Yoga.> > I shall be honored if you could educate me on this.> > Would the universal dictum of Parasara (Ch10., Antidotes for Evils at > birth, Verse 2) work for Unmada Yoga?> > "Should one among Budh, Guru and Úukr be in an angle from Lagn, all > evils are destroyed, as Sûrya eliminates darkness."> > My sister has Saturn in Lagna in Capricorn and Mars in Cancer in 7th. > with Jupiter in 9th. and Venus conjunct her Asc.(1 Degree). She is far > from being mad (although most of the times at me, I must > confess :)).> > I know two other cases where the Unmada Yoga combination you have > mentioned exists and they are (as I perceive them) far from being > publicly portrayed as insane.> > Please do let me know if you mean eccentricity or pure madness. > > If it is eccentricity then I guess I am more eccentric than my sister:)> > Thanks> > Souvik> > > > > > > > > > *tat savitur varenyam* > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 30, 2006 Report Share Posted May 30, 2006 Dear Sanjay ji On the same saturn / mars combination: I want to share a chart- Male April 1, 1963 13.30 IST Jodhpur - India 26N17 / 73E04 Karka lagna with mars / rahu in lagna and saturn / ketu in 7th house; moon in 12th; venus in 8th; sun/jupiter/mercury in 9th house. Current dasha mercury - moon. native is short tempered; but gets back to normalcy very quickly. Excellent sales focus (aggression with extreme discipline) - very good deal maker - One can term him like sharp shooter in business. Risk taking, engaged in international trade. Perhaps - mars / saturn has given good materialistic results (for his action orientation blended with direction). Yes, in sade sati (current)..bit of laziness comes in occasionally, but move like rocket to fetch the results. regards / Prafulla Gang Neither naked asceticism, matted hair, dirt, fasting, sleeping on the ground, dust & mud, nor prolonged sitting on one's heels can purify a man who is not free of doubts. > > guruji > Wed, 31 May 2006 00:01:31 +0530 > sohamsa > RE: Re: [Rath's Rhapsody] Sama Saptaka Concept > > | om gurave namah | > Dear Himanshu > That is such a fine way to study with an open mind. The classics have so > many yogas and so many statements and unless we have examined their > working, we cannot use this blindly. So the Saturn and Mars in 1-7 axis > is not really a good thing. A lot also depends on the lordship of the > planets involved. > Yes you are right about the Moon's involvement and no statement can be > made in finality, but we need to be clear about the basics at least so > that we can balance the opposing views in jyotish. > The correct remedy is the gayatri mantra as this corrects any problem > that the person has with the 'dhi'. > Best wishes and warm regards, > Sanjay Rath > > Personal: <http://srath.com/blog/> WebPages ◠<http://srath.com/blog/> > Rath’s Rhapsody > SJC WebPages: <http://.org/> Sri Jagannath Center ◠> <http://sjcerc.com/> SJCERC ◠<http://jiva.us/> JIVA > Publications: <http://thejyotishdigest.com/> The Jyotish Digest ◠> <http://sagittariuspublications.com/> Sagittarius Publications > ---- > > > _____ > > sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf > Of Himanshu Mohan > Tuesday, May 30, 2006 8:19 PM > sohamsa > Re: [Rath's Rhapsody] Sama Saptaka Concept > > > Om Ganeshaya Namah > ||Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya|| > Dear Gurudeva Sanjay Ji, > Pranaam. > I would explain. I have seen a whole family of 5 brothers and one > sister, all having Saturn-Mars in diagonal position. Two of them have > Mars in 1 & Sa in 7. Others have in other axes. All of them behave > almost UNMAADI, but temporarily, in anger and later on become normal. > Three children, son of one brother, daughter of another brother and > daughter of the sister also have the same combination. I have been > showing this to people as to how clearly traces of astrological > combinations also transmit akin to genes. > I have also been able to see and show the similarity on their palmer > lines due to my knowledge in palmistry. > However, according to MA(1) and SA(7), UNMAAD Yoga should have > occurred on the spouse then? or relationships probably! or regarding > relationships!! > However, this is not the case and this occurs to them most often. The > son of the eldest bro' has SA(1) and MA(7) but no sign of any abnormal > behaviour or passionate behaviour even. > > Let me also put up how I have been interpretting SA-MA so far. I > consider it as a surgery of the body parts indicated, or such a part > being hust with an iron tool like knife, scissors or the like so that > blood flows. I never considered UNMAAD yoga truely effective unless > Moon gets involved. > > Well, my present worry is due to the reason that my daughter also has > MA(1) and SA(7). That is why I asked for remedies. > She is very courageous, laborious and persistent in pursuance of goals > she identifies for herself. She also has abundant will power; Very > frail body but full of strength. This matches with individual MA and > SA significance. She keps going when others with a stronger physical > body shall get tired / exhausted. > > Although she does not show any signs of abnormal psycho behaviour > often, I would certainly be more than eager to know what remedial > action I must take or advise her as she is a grown up girl. I would > fail the duty of being a worthy father if I did not make such efforts. > > Kindly bestow your GURU-Kripa guidance upon me. > > Pranaam Gurudeva. > Om Shri Krishnarpanamastu. > sohamsa , " Anurag Sharma " <anuraagsharma27 > wrote: >> >> Dear Sanjay Ji, >> >> Pranaam. >> >> I have been in close contact with a person who has Mangal in Kanya >> Lagna and Shani in the 7th House. There are visible strains in the >> marriage and his nature is akin to an out of control Mangal, Kuja >> being the 3rd and 8th Lord. I have on occasion seen him struggling >> to control almost an insane rage, through clenched teeth. However, >> he also has the reputation of being a 'paper-tiger' and prior to >> learning this, I had said that reality considerations( Shani) would >> temper the somewhat out of control impulses of Mangal. >> >> Is there any standard interpretation of the inversion of this Unmada >> Yoga, when the Grahas are no longer in their Marana Karaka Sthanas >> or will this have to be judged from nativity to nativity based on >> lordship considerations etc. >> >> Regards. >> >> Anurag. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> sohamsa , " Sanjay Rath " <guruji@> wrote: >>> >>> | om gurave namah | >>> Dear Himanshu, >>> The the unmada yoga goes to the seventh house. What to speak of >>> relationships and marriage? >>> Best wishes and warm regards, >>> Sanjay Rath >>> >>> Personal: <http://srath.com/blog/> WebPages ¡ü >> <http://srath.com/blog/> >>> Rath¡Çs Rhapsody >>> SJC WebPages: <http://.org/> Sri Jagannath Center ¡ü >>> <http://sjcerc.com/> SJCERC ¡ü <http://jiva.us/> JIVA >>> Publications: <http://thejyotishdigest.com/> The Jyotish Digest ¡ü >>> <http://sagittariuspublications.com/> Sagittarius Publications >>> - >> --- >>> >>> >>> _____ >>> >>> sohamsa [sohamsa ] On >> Behalf Of >>> Himanshu Mohan >>> Monday, May 29, 2006 10:39 AM >>> sohamsa >>> Re: [Rath's Rhapsody] Sama Saptaka Concept >>> >>> >>> Om Ganeshay Namah >>> ||Om Namo Bahgawate Vasudevaya|| >>> Dear Sanjay ji, >>> Pranam Gurudeva. >>> 1. I am very eager to know the remedies to be advised for Saturn >> (1)- >>> Mars(7). >>> 2. On the other hand, when Saturn is in 7th and Mars is in 1st, >> they >>> still remain mutually diagonally opposite but obviously they are >>> better placed. What about this placement? >>> >>> Regards, >>> Om Shri Krishnarpanamastu. >>> Himanshu Mohan >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> *tat savitur varenyam* >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 31, 2006 Report Share Posted May 31, 2006 Param Guru Sanjay Rathji, Pranam. Indeed that is such a wonderful explanation. However, I am just left with one (or should I say a few) doubt. This is about Pacha Mahapurusha Yoga when superimposed with Sama Saptaka concept. I know and definitely understand after listening to each and every class of Atri that Sasa and Ruchaka MahaPurusha Yoga applies at tamasic levels. However nevertheless we cannot deny them from being two out of five faces of Shiva (this is what I understand). Under such circumstances would you consider a Libran Asc with Sat in Lagna and Mars in Moolatrikona in 7th. as a mentally ill person? In one of your Atri classes you have mentioned yourself that Saturn in Bharani is good, Bharani being the nakshtra of Yama. I know of a person heading an organization quite big having Arian Saturn in Lagna and well honestly he is not insane. The same classics you have mentioned that praise Jup in Kendra also talk about Kendrapati Dosha-Jup and Mer in Kendra for Pis,Sagg, Gemini and Virgo Lagna. How can a same benefic be good and bad in Kendra. Isn't it true that malefics in Kendra are considered good? I maybe completely confused or misinterpreting things. Please do clear my ignorance. Thanks Souvik sohamsa , " Sanjay Rath " <guruji wrote: > > | om gurave namah | > Dear Souvik > That was precisely the point I was trying to make when discussing the meaning of Sama saptaka. According to the standard dictum, Jupiter in lagna and Mars in 7H or vice-versa should cause this while another dictum clearly confirms Saturn in lagna and Mars in 7H. > > The point I was trying to make is to understand the Sama nature of the planets involved. In the chart of your sister, Venus is in lagna and degree wise is far more dominant than Saturn. In fact she should be independent, listening to everyone but doing what she feels right, ill health till say 10 years of age (general)...and definitely far from madness. She will actually be a very intelligent person. So you see how the presence of Venus in lagna has made the yoga defunct. > > Now you see when Jupiter is in lagna and Mars is in the 7th, should we listen to Atri and Agastya praising this great yoga as the guru- mangala yoga in Sapta Rishi nadi or should I take that unmada yoga combination? What happens to all those other slokas about Guru in lagna and natural benefic like Jup destroying all evils (you have also made this point). So definitely that yoga mentioned is defunct and the yoga will work if Mars is in or aspects lagna and Jupiter is in 5 or 9th house but definitely not when Guru is in Kendra in lagna. > > Best wishes and warm regards, > Sanjay Rath > > Personal: <http://srath.com/blog/> WebPages ◠<http://srath.com/blog/> Rath’s Rhapsody > SJC WebPages: <http://.org/> Sri Jagannath Center ◠<http://sjcerc.com/> SJCERC ◠<http://jiva.us/> JIVA > Publications: <http://thejyotishdigest.com/> The Jyotish Digest ◠<http://sagittariuspublications.com/> Sagittarius Publications > -- -- > > > _____ > > sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of Souvik Dutta > Monday, May 29, 2006 10:38 PM > sohamsa > Re: [Rath's Rhapsody] Sama Saptaka Concept > > > Param Guru Sanjay Rathji, > > Pranam. > > I had a small query on Unmada Yoga. > > I shall be honored if you could educate me on this. > > Would the universal dictum of Parasara (Ch10., Antidotes for Evils at > birth, Verse 2) work for Unmada Yoga? > > " Should one among Budh, Guru and Úukr be in an angle from Lagn, all > evils are destroyed, as Sûrya eliminates darkness. " > > My sister has Saturn in Lagna in Capricorn and Mars in Cancer in 7th. > with Jupiter in 9th. and Venus conjunct her Asc.(1 Degree). She is far > from being mad (although most of the times at me, I must > confess :)). > > I know two other cases where the Unmada Yoga combination you have > mentioned exists and they are (as I perceive them) far from being > publicly portrayed as insane. > > Please do let me know if you mean eccentricity or pure madness. > > If it is eccentricity then I guess I am more eccentric than my sister:) > > Thanks > > Souvik > > > *tat savitur varenyam* > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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