Guest guest Posted May 27, 2006 Report Share Posted May 27, 2006 || Hare Rama Krishna || Dear Rafal, namaskar. Intelligent question. First let us understand A7 and UL. I will share my understanding and you can give inputs. A7 - what is coming out of the 7th house - sexuality, business, casual relationships etc (these don't include father, mother, brother etc) but relationships in society in general. UL - what is coming out of the 12-th house ( i.e. vyaya, pitri-rina). Hence, though husband has a sexual relationship with wife, still wife is seen from UL and not from A7 although a part of that connotation is coming from 7th house of sexuality. Here note that 12-th house is also the house of bed-pleasures. Hence let us not mix UL with A7. A7 does NOT represents wife. Next, in Navamsa, UL represents the tangible giving up (or sharing) in pursuing dharma. Hence UL can be sharing of the merits of Dharmic punya as well and that can be wife. We treat the 7th house in Navamsa with people we mix in Dharmic undertakings e.g. suppose you are a purohit in a temple, A7 in Navamsa (and A7 in Dasamsa) will indicate the fellows who you mix with in the temple and related to temple activity. Suppose you are a layman and you go to temple to worship. At the temple you have a relationship with the temple's purohit and that comes in A7 in navamsa. You don't share the merits of punya with him hence its not wife. A7 is general; if it were to indicate wife also, doesn't it also mean that your wife is similar in nature to the purohit ? We use 7th house in Navamsa chakra to derive some general informations about wife. The actual wife in flesh and blood is seen from UL in rasi chart, where you are sharing everything with wide. Hence the term sahadharmini for wife. A point aside. I don't like the idea of taking Arudhapadas from perspective of differnt houses as lagna of different persons. For example, A11 in navamsa should show my friends or gains and for wife will show her pupils or followers. Therefore, from my perspective they are friends and from wife's perspective they are sishyas. They should necessarily be similar and in practical life doesn't have to be true. I do not quite like the idea. Each Varga is with reference to MYSELF. Each varga chart reflects the reality from my standpoint. I refer you to a the class # 12 of Narasimha-ji where he discusses D-7. He specifically states that D-7 is the chart of children from father's perspective. Suppose you and I are brothers. Your nature in our relationship is very well seen in my D-3. But your nature with your wife is not well seen from my D-3. Hence the entirity of your Arudha (the sumtotal of what all people in the family/friend circle/society see you as a person) in not really seen in the D-3. Hope I could communicate the idea. I am refering this to the Sohamsa group also, if other's have any inputs. Best wishes, Sourav ============================================================================================================= , "Rafal Gendarz" <starsuponme wrote:>> vyam vyasadevaya namah> > Dear Sourav,> > Sanjay Rath wrote that UL in D-9 is satrupada of spouse. In other lecture Sanjay Rath told UL in D-9 it is Vyayapada as spouse means expenses, it is Gaunapada in D-20 etc.. So if UL is satrupada then A7 is Arudhapada of first spouse...what do You think?> > Regards> Rafal Gendarz> > - > Sourav > > Saturday, May 27, 2006 9:00 AM> [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Interpretation of Navamsha> > > || Hare Rama Krishna ||> > Dear Gilbert,> > Namaskar. Just to add to what Rafal said, A7 in Navamsa does not show relationships in general. It shows relationship specifically for dharma, i.e. religious relationships/aquaintences. Navamsa is not a chart for relationships. It is specifically a chart for dharma and marriage being a primary relationship in connection to dharma, it is considered here in the Navamsa chart. Hence in Navamsa we see marriages and in Rasi we see relationships which may or may not be marriages (from UL, A7 etc). A7 is seen for sexual relationships and UL for relationships that require commitments and are beyond mere sexual relationships.> > Best wishes,> > Sourav> > ============================================================================================================> , "gilbert_benny_hadley" gilbert_benny_hadley@ wrote:> >> > > > Dear Visti-Ji, Rafal-Ji, Namazkar,> > > > Could you kindly let me know, what is the significance, when > > relationships (e.g. 7H, A7 etc.) is strong according to Rashi and weak > > according to Navamsha and vice-versa?> > > > As a further point, as a general interpretation can we consider Grahas > > in the Navamsha as a general guide about the spouse, e.g. if Shani and > > Guru are debilitated in the Navamsha, could we say that the spouse > > will be unhappy, working hard, a bit depressed etc. based on the > > relationship with the native himself.> > > > With deep respects,> > > > Gilbert.> >> > > > > ~ om tat sat ~> Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. > Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna'> (2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said that the human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals.> (3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart reading today > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 27, 2006 Report Share Posted May 27, 2006 Dear Sourav ji, Pranaam When You would take the arudha's counted from degrees then A7 in Navamsa could mean the people You met in temple (as You wrote, for me better Varga for this is Upasana amsa) but if You are building the arudha's from specific house then A7 in Navamsa must mean the image of wife. In other words; You are taking the general meaning of Arudha's and translate it to Varga's - it is ok if You are taking the Arudha's from Rasi but the bhavas in Varga have other meaning and can be quite contradictive so still there are two approaches.. Regards Rafal Gendarz - Sourav sohamsa Saturday, May 27, 2006 9:37 AM Re: Interpretation of Navamsa || Hare Rama Krishna || Dear Rafal, namaskar. Intelligent question. First let us understand A7 and UL. I will share my understanding and you can give inputs. A7 - what is coming out of the 7th house - sexuality, business, casual relationships etc (these don't include father, mother, brother etc) but relationships in society in general. UL - what is coming out of the 12-th house ( i.e. vyaya, pitri-rina). Hence, though husband has a sexual relationship with wife, still wife is seen from UL and not from A7 although a part of that connotation is coming from 7th house of sexuality. Here note that 12-th house is also the house of bed-pleasures. Hence let us not mix UL with A7. A7 does NOT represents wife. Next, in Navamsa, UL represents the tangible giving up (or sharing) in pursuing dharma. Hence UL can be sharing of the merits of Dharmic punya as well and that can be wife. We treat the 7th house in Navamsa with people we mix in Dharmic undertakings e.g. suppose you are a purohit in a temple, A7 in Navamsa (and A7 in Dasamsa) will indicate the fellows who you mix with in the temple and related to temple activity. Suppose you are a layman and you go to temple to worship. At the temple you have a relationship with the temple's purohit and that comes in A7 in navamsa. You don't share the merits of punya with him hence its not wife. A7 is general; if it were to indicate wife also, doesn't it also mean that your wife is similar in nature to the purohit ? We use 7th house in Navamsa chakra to derive some general informations about wife. The actual wife in flesh and blood is seen from UL in rasi chart, where you are sharing everything with wide. Hence the term sahadharmini for wife. A point aside. I don't like the idea of taking Arudhapadas from perspective of differnt houses as lagna of different persons. For example, A11 in navamsa should show my friends or gains and for wife will show her pupils or followers. Therefore, from my perspective they are friends and from wife's perspective they are sishyas. They should necessarily be similar and in practical life doesn't have to be true. I do not quite like the idea. Each Varga is with reference to MYSELF. Each varga chart reflects the reality from my standpoint. I refer you to a the class # 12 of Narasimha-ji where he discusses D-7. He specifically states that D-7 is the chart of children from father's perspective. Suppose you and I are brothers. Your nature in our relationship is very well seen in my D-3. But your nature with your wife is not well seen from my D-3. Hence the entirity of your Arudha (the sumtotal of what all people in the family/friend circle/society see you as a person) in not really seen in the D-3. Hope I could communicate the idea. I am refering this to the Sohamsa group also, if other's have any inputs. Best wishes, Sourav ============================================================================================================= , "Rafal Gendarz" <starsuponme wrote:>> vyam vyasadevaya namah> > Dear Sourav,> > Sanjay Rath wrote that UL in D-9 is satrupada of spouse. In other lecture Sanjay Rath told UL in D-9 it is Vyayapada as spouse means expenses, it is Gaunapada in D-20 etc.. So if UL is satrupada then A7 is Arudhapada of first spouse...what do You think?> > Regards> Rafal Gendarz> > - > Sourav > > Saturday, May 27, 2006 9:00 AM> [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Interpretation of Navamsha> > > || Hare Rama Krishna ||> > Dear Gilbert,> > Namaskar. Just to add to what Rafal said, A7 in Navamsa does not show relationships in general. It shows relationship specifically for dharma, i.e. religious relationships/aquaintences. Navamsa is not a chart for relationships. It is specifically a chart for dharma and marriage being a primary relationship in connection to dharma, it is considered here in the Navamsa chart. Hence in Navamsa we see marriages and in Rasi we see relationships which may or may not be marriages (from UL, A7 etc). A7 is seen for sexual relationships and UL for relationships that require commitments and are beyond mere sexual relationships.> > Best wishes,> > Sourav> > ============================================================================================================> , "gilbert_benny_hadley" gilbert_benny_hadley@ wrote:> >> > > > Dear Visti-Ji, Rafal-Ji, Namazkar,> > > > Could you kindly let me know, what is the significance, when > > relationships (e.g. 7H, A7 etc.) is strong according to Rashi and weak > > according to Navamsha and vice-versa?> > > > As a further point, as a general interpretation can we consider Grahas > > in the Navamsha as a general guide about the spouse, e.g. if Shani and > > Guru are debilitated in the Navamsha, could we say that the spouse > > will be unhappy, working hard, a bit depressed etc. based on the > > relationship with the native himself.> > > > With deep respects,> > > > Gilbert.> >> > > > > ~ om tat sat ~> Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. > Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna'> (2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said that the human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals.> (3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart reading today > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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