#1: Jupiter - 16 (To: Mr. Visti Larsen)

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Dear Visti ji,

 

Namaste!

 

I always enjoy reading your answers to mails. You have the gift of

replying in a very precise manner.

 

Coming to one of your comment (as reproduced below), can you pls

help me in identifying the classical source for the maturation age

of the planets ?

 

>>As for your question regarding 16. This is the first year of

>>maturity of Jupiter – this is a well known fact and is used in

>>calculations of natural years.

 

Thanks & Regards

Jeyaram

 

sohamsa , " Visti Larsen " <visti wrote:

>

> ||Hare Rama Krsna||

>

> Dear Rosemary, Namaskar

>

> The dictum is detailed in Phala Deepika, but Parasara also

indicates the

> same. It relates to premature death or balarishta. Here the

possibility of

> death is alotted to the bad deeds/sins of the mother, father and

child

> respectively.

>

> The longevity of a child cannot be determined upto the 12th year

of age.

>

> Comment: These twelve years are ruled by the three Naisargika

Dasa's

> occuring in childhood namely the Moon (0-1), Mars (1-4) and

Mercury (4-12).

>

> Events in the first four years are deeds/sins alotted to the mother

> (chandra).

>

> Comment: This is akin to the Naisargika dasas of Moon and Mars,

where

> sustenance, health and protection are the keywords and are decided

by the

> mother in her form as Bhuvanesvari and Bagalaamba respectively.

The Moon is

> very important for Balarishta calculations and its weakness

promises

> evils/accidents before the age of 8.

>

> The next four to the father (surya), after which the balarishta

portion is

> over.

>

> Comment: This comprises half of the Mercury Naisargika dasa (4-12)

wherein

> the child learns how to study and become a good student. This is a

very

> important period where the child is taken under the wing of

his/her elders

> to understand their karma yoga (tenth house karaka – mercury).

>

> The next 4 years (until 12) are then fully indicative of the

natives own

> deeds.

>

> Comment: The balarishta portion ends after eight years of age

where the

> yogarishta portion begins for 12 years (8-20). Here the first one-

third

> portion from 8-12 is specifically sensitive according to

Mantresvara and he

> follows this by stating:

>

> The years upto 12 years of age are particularly sensitive to the

child and

> the parents should arrange for jaapa, homa and appropriate medicine

> (chikitsa) where necessary, to be given to the child until such an

age.

>

> The traditional rites are performed on every nakshatra-birthday and

> comprises of the navagraha homa, nakshatra homa and mrityunjaya

homa which

> ensures good health and peace for one whole year. These rites are

also

> mentioned by Harihara in Prasna marga and Vashishta in the Chandra

Kala

> Nadi.

>

>

>

> As for your question regarding 16. This is the first year of

maturity of

> Jupiter – this is a well known fact and is used in calculations of

natural

> years.

>

> Example: Chandra Kala Nadi states that if Jupiter is in the tenth

house,

> then bhagya (luck/fortune) will start in the 26th year... why 26?

Tenth

> house+Jupiter = 10+16. Result is 26 when the bhagya will come. Now

depending

> on the nadiamsa of the lagna this could be your own good luck or

your

> uncle's child's good luck (tenth is the 5th (child) from the 6th

(uncle)).

>

> Hope this helps.

>

> Best wishes,

>

> ***

>

> Visti Larsen

>

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>

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>

> _____

>

>

On

> Behalf Of Rosemary Innes-Jones

> 14 May 2006 11:25

>

> Re: [Om Krishna Guru] JIVA -a vote for conscious study

>

>

>

> Om Brihaspataye Namah

>

>

>

> Dear Sourav,

>

> There is a reason why many Jyotishi's do not give advice to a

child prior to

> 16. Maybe I am wrong, but what has been taught to me, was the

first 6 or so

> years was the karma earnt from the mother, and the second 6 years

from the

> father. The balance i do not remember but it would be good to do

some

> research on this.It may take time.

>

>

>

> What do you say Vistiji? Or even Guruji?Do you know the dictim?

>

>

>

> It is a good question you raise Sourav, as I am sure it is

something in how

> clumsy I am expressing this.We are all linked, and as you say ,

there are

> many levels of karma. Specifically the parents role is to take

> responsibility for the child until a certain age. That is natural

law common

> to many traditions.

>

> All I can offer on the Buddhi clicking in at 16 is what I have

from His

> Holiness Shankaracharya Shantananda Saraswati, from Jyotir Math.

When you

> read this, you can decide for yourself the veracity of his words.

I shall

> look it up and share it on this list for any genuine enquiry, in

case it is

> useful.

>

>

>

> But really we need a reference from a Jyotish text, which I do not

have,

> just Sanjay Rath's agreement about the matrika. I guess this why

JIVA will

> be so helpful!

>

>

>

>

>

> Best Wishes

>

>

>

> Rosemary Innes-Jones

>

> SJC New Zealand

>

> Vishvamitra

>

>

>

> -

>

> Sourav <souravc108

>

>

>

> Sunday, May 14, 2006 5:27 PM

>

> Re: [Om Krishna Guru] JIVA -a vote for conscious study

>

>

>

> || Hare Rama Krishna ||

>

> Dear Rosemary and Michal,

>

> Namaskar.

Karma of

> parents, grandparents and lineage upto 14 generations are linked

to an

> individual. The karma of jaati (society), country, and universe

are also

> linked and experienced by individual. When we say individual, it

is not the

> highest unit where karma manifests and gets accumulated. An

individual is a

> sub-unit. If you think about the human body, each cel is an

individual and

> we are a giant collection of these individuals.

>

> But to say that before 16 the child is only experiencing the karma

of

> parents is not appropriate. The child has taken birth and selected

the

> specific 'yoni' of the parents to take that birth solely to

discharge the

> accumulated karma. So if the child dies before 16, shall we say

that he died

> due to parents karma and none of his/her own karma fructified ? I

don't

> think so. Karma manifests from conception. That we are slowly able

to

> manifest free will happens in the teens. The starting of

growth/strength in

> faculties doesn't mean that karma was not there before.

>

> Best wishes,

>

> Sourav

>

> ==================================================================

>

>

>

>

> , " Rosemary Innes-Jones "

> <rf.innes-jones@> wrote:

> >

> > Om Brihaspataye Namah

> >

> > OM BRIHASPATAYE NAMAH

> >

> > Dear Michal,

> > Ok . so you dont want to do the SJCERC exams, but maybe

following up

> officially on the course can fix any confusion .Good Luck.

> >

> > Whatever is happening around the age of 16 physically, is not

what I am

> talking about.

> >

> > It is about Karma, and taking responsibility, for our actions.

> > responsibility=ability to respond.

> > At 16 the being has all shakti to meet the karma he has earnt.

Before that

> the karma is of the parents.Buddhi takes sometimes till 19 to

fully mature,

> but it kicks in from 16.For me at 16 I suddenly had this huge

desire to be

> awake, and ran around jumping out of perfectly good aeroplanes, in

an

> attempt to realise I was!! ))

> > Study did not even feature unless it was passing flying or

Jumping

> Instructor exams!!

> >

> > yes i have seen 2 sons grow through this age and hundreds

through my youth

> training programme, but what I have shared with you is knowledge

from the

> vedas, from Shankaracharya of Jyotir Math Conversations

specifically on

> education. It rung a bell in Delhi for me with Guruji also when he

was

> teaching , and he agreed about matri-kaa. The point was here about

Jupiter ,

> having the natural age of 16 which is what we are taught and I

linked it to

> this issue of wanting independent study. I shall try to find the

exact

> quote, but maybe Visti can help. He may have even been there.

> >

> > Hope this helps

> > Best Wishes

> >

> > Rosemary Innes-Jones

> > SJC New Zealand

> > Vishvamitra

> > -

> > Michal Dziwulski

> >

> > Saturday, May 13, 2006 4:56 PM

> > Re: [Om Krishna Guru] JIVA -a vote for conscious study

> >

> >

> > [ Hare Rama Krsna ]

> >

> > Dear Rosemary,

> >

> > I probably would have made it to Serbia last year for an exam if

I had

> known about it and I had won a lottery a week prior. I think that

programme

> has had real success in Serbia and perhaps India, from what I can

gather.

> But you don't need to bother anybody in Novi Sad about it, I'll

just keep

> on. Thanks.

> >

> > I think there is a plethora of physiological activity occuring

at around

> the age of 16. I noticed a few things, though I don't know

about 'lights

> going out'. Though honing charachter and buddhi activating seems

familiar.

> You have seen three children go through this age, so maybe it is

your

> experience.

> >

> > Respectfully,

> > Michal

> >

> > [ Om Namo Narayanaya ]

> >

> > Rosemary Innes-Jones rf.innes-jones@ wrote:

> > Om Brihaspataye Namah

> >

> > Dear Michal,

> >

> > JIVA can be enrolled in at any time. I only enrolled 7 days ago,

and I

> have had the conference call, the material received the passwords

and got

> the homeworks all within a few days. The System has been

specifically

> designed for the distance learner, whereas SJCERC has not. For

JIVA you dont

> have to be a wiz at the computer either, and the course assumes

the student

> is unfamiliar with even the most basic sanskrit terms like veda!!

> >

> > I do not understand what is happening with SJERC, as I know 2nd

year

> students in Serbia are having their exams on 15th June, this year.

It was

> this that created the problem initially for getting Zoran and

Sanjay out to

> New Zealand in May06. Whilst in London in March I came across a

student who

> also had enrolled in SJCERC , but had not had any activity either.

In his

> case I dont think he had even the material, but this may have

changed by

> now, and he is probably turning up in Serbia to sit his exams!!

> > I can only suggest asking through your Guru Vistiji what is

happening.

> Certainly I will ask on your behalf when I am there in Novi Sad if

you would

> like. Perhaps I can arrange to get the exams done here in Gulf

Harbour, with

> Wentworth College .They are registered with Cambridge . Would this

help? Do

> you know of any other SJCERC student in New Zealand?

> >

> > From my Advaita studies16, is a special point in the life of a

human

> being. I think it is related to the 16 matrika, 16 shaktis. It is

here that

> a being starts earning and paying for Karma. some have described

it as " the

> light going out " Did you notice anything at that time yourself?

Before this,

> education is a case of preserving the intelligence, whereas after

this point

> it is more a case of honing charachter. A much harder task, and is

why

> education of our children , especially from 4 1/2 to 16years is of

supreme

> importance. All the shaktis are in place by 16 and the being then

starts to

> expend this energy. At the time of turning 16, a persons Buddhi

starts

> operating.

> >

> > Yes, I remember Sanjay saying these ages as you have described,

but I

> remember them more as flavours of the mind. My reference to

Jupiter is more

> related to Karma.

> >

> > Hope this helps

> > Best Wishes

> >

> > Rosemary Innes-Jones

> > SJC New Zealand

> > Vishvamitra

> >

> >

> > -

> > Michal Dziwulski

> >

> > Saturday, May 13, 2006 11:56 AM

> > Re: [Om Krishna Guru] JIVA -a vote for conscious study

> >

> >

> > [ Hare Rama Krsna ]

> >

> > Dear Rosemary,

> >

> > There has been no activity in SJCERC for almost a year now, as

far as I am

> aware. There is a wealth of material available however and I am

trying to

> work my way through it in as ordered a fashion as I can muster. I

owe so

> much to Visti for his contribution, but so does virtually everyone

> participating on this list.

> >

> > As long as the organisation continues to serve the furthering of

this

> great science, as it has done as far as I can see, then all will

benefit.

> Difficulties arise when people are self-serving.

> >

> > I was using the natural age of Venus with regard to the impact on

> knowledge which is from an article in JD some time ago.

> >

> > 0-4 - Moon

> > 5-14 - Mercury

> > 15-22 - Venus

> > 23-41 - Sun

> > 42-56 - Mars

> > 57-68 - Jupiter

> > 69-108 - Saturn, Rahu, and Ketu

> >

> > Respectfully,

> > Michal

> >

> > [ Om Namo Narayanaya ]

> >

> > Rosemary Innes-Jones rf.innes-jones@ wrote:

> > Om Brihaspataye Namah

> >

> > Dear Michal,

> > Forgive me, but arent you studying SJERC material and are

attended by your

> Guru, Vistiji? If this is the case then you are one of the

extremely

> blessed.

> >

> > From your posts, , I see a lot of conscious study being done,

and you are

> extremely hardworking. What you are doing is working perfectly.To

borrow

> your phrase, about prefering to find out " who or what I am "

rather than

> titles, it is the discovery of this which is what I mean by

conscious. All

> the SJC materials, the Cd.s and the discussions and most

especially our SJC

> Gurus who give so much of their time promote this discovery of

consciousness

> in us. What I personally found from following the JIVA programme,

was new

> and refreshing insight from its simplicity. This created order for

this

> mind, and opened up what has been recognised before. Rather than

pouring

> knowledge in, as what passes for education these days, JIVA tries

to come

> from uncovering the existing knowledge ..........that we all have.

> >

> > Why I shared this on this most eminent list of dedicated

Jyotishi's , was

> because often when new people come to this study, we give them the

books and

> show them the lists, and unless they are as hardworking as

yourself, they

> give up as it appears to be far too complex and confusing. Unless

we can

> recognise ourselves , our true self, in our study it becomes a dry

> intellectual thing. Then often the interest wanes.The student who

enrolled

> upon my reccomendation, is delighted as although she has been on a

SJC list

> ( Not Visti's) for 3 years, she is learning from simple Advaita

principles

> first. Maybe its the timing , but JIVA seems to suit her. It fits

with her

> 30 years meditation and Shankya philosophy. So the " vote " for

JIVA , goes

> alongside all the " votes " for study on all the SJC lists! The fact

that this

> non-profit organisation has been set up to fund Jyotish research

and Jyotish

> publications that all of us enjoy, should also be supported, dont

you think?

> >

> > In regard to your chart questions, I will look at it over the

next few

> days. Natural age of Jupiter i thought was 16.

> >

> > hope this helps,

> > Best wishes and warm regards

> >

> > Rosemary Innes--Jones

> > SJC New Zealand

> > Vishvamitra

> >

> > -

> > Michal Dziwulski

> >

> > Friday, May 12, 2006 2:45 PM

> > Re: [Om Krishna Guru] JIVA -a vote for conscious study

> >

> >

> > [ Hare Rama Krsna ]

> >

> > Dear Rosemary,

> >

> > Indeed Jiva is a Godsend. Unfortunately, I think I missed the

boat for

> enrolling. Which may not be an entirely conscious decision, if I

may borrow

> the term, but something perhaps more destined in the stars.

> >

> > Recently I examined my D24 chart. It has Aquarius rising with

Venus in MKS

> in the 6th house. Venus owns the 4th house of formal education as

well as

> the 9th house of higher studies, so naturally these houses suffer.

And

> suffer they have. When I saw this combination all the struggle I

had

> experienced in high school and University became abundantly clear,

and I

> realised that more informal, personal and self disciplined

teachings were

> more suited to me.

> >

> > In a way it feels like a bit of a shame, because I am very

attracted to

> the titles, logos and credentials that all these formal

institutions have to

> offer, including Jiva, but I always just try to remember that for

me it is

> not about the organisation and the letters after a name, but about

who (or

> what!) I am, and what good I can do with this knowledge. So, with

the books

> I revere, the audio material available, and the discussions

between students

> and gurus on the lists, I'll persevere.

> >

> > My birth details - 7th May 1981, 3:15am, Warsaw, Poland.

> >

> > respectfully,

> > Michal Dziwulski

> > B.A. History and Philosophy

> >

> > [ Om Namo Narayanaya ]

> >

> > Rosemary Innes-Jones rf.innes-jones@ wrote:

> >

> >

> >

> > Om Gurave Namah

> > JIVA- A vote for Conscous Learning !! How blessed are we!

> > To all those keen Jyotish learners,

> >

> > Nothing beats the presence and attendance of a Jyotish guru, to

learn from

> our great parampara tradition. For those fortunate enough to learn

at their

> guru's feet and attend a class, you have been extremely blessed.

> > HOWEVER- for those of us learning from a distance, like me who

is 000's of

> miles from just about anywhere, Sanjay has started JIVA and SJERC.

> > The latest impulse, JIVA( www.jiva.us ) I recently joined as a

student. I

> have been truly amazed at the depth of advanced material

delivered . Always

> in simple yet universal, and spiritual form that is given in just

the first

> two sessions. For me who has studied Jyotish for many years, (I

think it is

> about 6!!) and attended many SJC conferences worldwide,

> ......................It is a Godsend!!

> >

> > The reason is, is that JIVA finally puts all that golden

knowledge into

> conscious order!! Willa, who delivers the course , is very

thorough by

> nature, and she has managed to work ,work and work with the JIVA

team , on

> guruji's dictims until the order is refined and defined. The Guna

and

> Tattwas take precedence, so the more universal leads , Samashti to

the

> Vyashti NOT the other way around as in so many other courses

available today

> in vedic astrology. This is the true direction of jyotish, as it

establishes

> Advaita from the beginning and then differentiates. It is also why

the

> actual presence of your teacher will be much more easily

effective. Somehow

> some gift from the Rishis has blessed JIVA, as i have found deep

and

> conscious learning taking place, despite the distance. Sanjay and

his JIVA

> team seem to have achieved almost the impossible, as every subtle

gap in my

> knowledge is being nourished to reveal deep understanding beneath.

We are up

> to session 3 and planets have not yet been covered!! Session two

included

> Panchanga, with the play of Tattwas and gunas amongst vara, Tithi,

> nakshatra, Yoga and Karana.!!

> >

> > Some may ask how can this be beginner material?

> > Well the Rishis have the last word, as I found all the students

keeping up

> with Guruji on our weekend conference call!!

> > It also means all the conscious study that everyone on this list

and

> others , have done has helped bring this great fruit of the

tradition into

> being!! JIVA is a whole new impulse for SJC and it is a very great

credit to

> those who have gone before, and those with it today. Already I have

> reccomended the course to other students, and they too have

enroled and come

> under the care of its impulse. When you study on your own, so far

away, it

> is not always easy to keep the BIG picture and Guruji's shakti in

view. JIVA

> does this with its structure, its content, and its delivery. Even

the On

> line Powerpoint displays follow the same flow of consciousness,

and a

> student can replay the lecture, whilst pulling up all his charts

that

> promote a question. Yes, there are some advantages of this modern

age! But

> for me the real test came when i listened to Guruji on the

conference call.

> ( 1:30am NZlocal time, Kali's hour) I heard the questions and the

> understanding from beginner students from all around the world.It

was

> breathtaking!! As Sanjay being Sanjay delivered a brilliant

explaination of

> guna and dharma, that I am STILL thinking about, yet one student

clicked

> with instantly!!

> >

> > I hope those of you who read this, know of keen spiritual

learners of

> Jyotish that need this foundation grounding, and will reccomend

JIVA. By

> doing this you are honouring not only Guruji, and SJC but the

Rishi's that

> have so clearly been the vidya behind it.

> >

> > May Jagannath continue to Bless Our studies

> > In grateful thanks,

> >

> > Rosemary Innes-Jones

> > SJC New Zealand

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >