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Om Datta Guru

 

Dear Lakshmi,

 

Pranam

 

Nice to hear from you. Very interesting and special point from you , I appreciate your mail. Pls find some doubts

 

Doubts

1. In case of Hamsa Mahapurusha Yoga, why did Shri Ram had

to pray to Durga Ma , when for Jup u mentioned akasha Tatva/Sun. I am

unable to understand why for Durga

 

2. In case of Malavya Yoga - Jala tatva - Moon to be prayed

 

3. In case of other planets can you kindly list down the planets & Gods to be prayed.

 

Yes Nav placement is a must even i feel so hence I guess

Bachchans Jup is blessed as in Nav it is exalted (writing from

memory) though i need to check in other Mahapurusha yogas charts, again

though on short note I checked fast that in Shri Ramas Nav, Jup is with

DEBILITATED Moon, wouldn't this spoil the Hamsa yoga.

 

Thanks

 

Kind regards

 

Sunil

 

sohamsa , "B Lakshmi Ramesh" <b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote:>> Om Gurave Namah> > Namaste Sunil,> > Apart from the strength of Sun and Moon, I feel that the overall > tattwa and tenor of the natal chart must also support the > Mahapurusha yoga in order for it to fructify. For Hamsa Mahapurusha > yoga, I would think that akasha tattwa/Sun/sattva grahas in strength > is necessary. Praying to the devatas of sattwa grahas may also > strengthen the maha purusha yoga. Example: Sri Rama's chart. After > He prayed to Aditya and Durga, the Maha purusha yoga fully > manifested.> > Similarly, in the case of Ruchaka Mahapurusha yoga, I feel that agni > tattwa/strong tamasik grahas; for Bhadra mahapurusha yoga, prithvi > tattwa/Mercury; in the case of Malavya Mahapurusha yoga, jala > tattwa/Moon, for Sasa mahapurusha yoga, Vayu tattwa/tamasik grahas. > > I can't, off hand, think of good examples, but i seem to recall that > in Gandhiji's chart, his strong Moon (in own house, though afflicted > by Rahu) helped. I think the navamsa placements are also extremely > important. > > Just my two cents.> > Regards,> Lakshmi> > sohamsa , "suniljohn_2002" > suniljohn_2002@ wrote:> >> > > > || Hare Rama Krishna ||> > > > Dear Sourav,> > > > Many thanks for the link, I shall download it.> > > > If the lecture mentions only the strength of Sun & Moon, I think > people> > say that for the fructification of all yogas.> > > > There is more to it as I have heard. Patel wrote an article on it > in the> > Astrological Magazine in the 80s I think. but still am not sure it > works> > 100% and there is more to it. His article was based on hints given > in> > Chandrakala Nadi.> > > > Pls call me only Sunil without ji> > > > Warm regards,> > > > Sunil John> > > > Mumbai> > sohamsa , "Sourav" <souravc108@> wrote:> > >> > >> > > || Hare Rama Krishna ||> > >> > > Dear Sunil-ji,> > >> > > Namaskar. Atri Class #10> > > (http://www.sjcerc.com/sjcatri.htm > <http://www.sjcerc.com/sjcatri.htm>> > > ). Sanjay-ji, gave criteria for fructification and sustenance of> > > Mahapurusa yogas - Surya and Chandra strengths. If I remember> > correctly,> > > some examples are also given.> > >> > > Best wishes,> > >> > > Sourav> > >> > > =================================================================> > > sohamsa , "suniljohn_2002" suniljohn_2002@> > > wrote:> > > >> > > >> > > > ++Om Datta Guru++> > > >> > > > Dear Members,> > > >> > > > Namaskar> > > >> > > > 1. Can someone post detailed step by step reasons why a > Mahapurusha> > > Yoga> > > > In Natal Chart doesn't give effects in real life.> > > >> > > > 2. Are there different criterias for failure of Different> > Mahapurusha> > > > Yogas.> > > >> > > > Thanking you> > > >> > > > Regards,> > > >> > > > Sunil John> > > >> > > > Mumbai> > > >> > > > P.S: Examples would help better if time permits for the poster.> > > >> > >> >>

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Om Gurave Namah

 

Dear Sunil,

 

Namaste.

 

> 1. In case of Hamsa Mahapurusha Yoga, why did Shri Ram had to

pray to

> Durga Ma , when for Jup u mentioned akasha Tatva/Sun. I am unable

to

> understand why for Durga

 

Lakshmi: I also mentioned sattva grahas and Moon is indeed a

saattwik graha. Also, I refer you to my mail on Samba Shiva and it

suddenly dawned on me that jupiter (the karaka for

happiness/aananda) gets exalted in Cancer, because it is the domain

of Gauri:--)) and the highest/strongest hamsa mahapurusha yoga is

thus formed in Cancer as a kendra.

 

Apart from that, in Sri Rama's chart, Moon is extremely important,

being the lagna lord and conjunct Jupiter. Being the lagna/chandra

lagna/paka lagna lord, and the dispositor of mahapurusha yoga

causing planet, moon is extremely crucial in triggering the Yoga.

Since moon is waxing (shukla navami), the form of Devi is Durga.

 

 

I

> checked fast that in Shri Ramas Nav, Jup is with DEBILITATED Moon,

> wouldn't this spoil the Hamsa yoga.

>

 

Lakshmi: In Valmiki Ramayana (Bala kanda, 18th sarga, shlokas 9 &

10), it is mentioned that Sri Rama was born in Punarvasu nakshatra

and Moon was conjunct jupiter in cancer, which was rising at that

time. That puts Moon in 4th pada of Punarvasu, and makes moon

vargottama in cancer and extremely powerful. Perhaps the data which

you are using is different because according to the data given in

Ramayana, in Sri Rama's navamsa, exalted Jupiter is conjunct Moon in

swakshetra.

 

2. In case of Malavya Yoga - Jala tatva - Moon to be prayed

>

> 3. In case of other planets can you kindly list down the planets &

Gods

> to be prayed.

 

Lakshmi: Guruji had already listed the devatas of the planets in his

lecture on Navamsa, and I am sure you know the devatas as well as I

do.

 

> Yes Nav placement is a must even i feel so hence I guess

Bachchans Jup

> is blessed as in Nav it is exalted (writing from memory) though i

need

> to check in other Mahapurusha yogas charts, again though on short

note

 

Lakshmi: Yesterday I forgot to mention that perhaps if the

Mahapurusha yoga does not occur from the AL, the person may not be

deemed to be a Mahapurusha by other people.

 

In Sri Ramakrishna's chart, Sasa Mahapurusha yoga occurs from

karakamsaka, and one can see the pervasive influence of Vayu tattwa

on lagna/surya/chandra/paka lagnas. Just remembered this:--))

 

Awaiting corrections, as usual, from the list members.

 

Regards,

Lakshmi

 

 

> Thanks

>

> Kind regards

>

> Sunil

>

> sohamsa , " B Lakshmi Ramesh "

> <b_lakshmi_ramesh@> wrote:

> >

> > Om Gurave Namah

> >

> > Namaste Sunil,

> >

> > Apart from the strength of Sun and Moon, I feel that the overall

> > tattwa and tenor of the natal chart must also support the

> > Mahapurusha yoga in order for it to fructify. For Hamsa

Mahapurusha

> > yoga, I would think that akasha tattwa/Sun/sattva grahas in

strength

> > is necessary. Praying to the devatas of sattwa grahas may also

> > strengthen the maha purusha yoga. Example: Sri Rama's chart.

After

> > He prayed to Aditya and Durga, the Maha purusha yoga fully

> > manifested.

> >

> > Similarly, in the case of Ruchaka Mahapurusha yoga, I feel that

agni

> > tattwa/strong tamasik grahas; for Bhadra mahapurusha yoga,

prithvi

> > tattwa/Mercury; in the case of Malavya Mahapurusha yoga, jala

> > tattwa/Moon, for Sasa mahapurusha yoga, Vayu tattwa/tamasik

grahas.

> >

> > I can't, off hand, think of good examples, but i seem to recall

that

> > in Gandhiji's chart, his strong Moon (in own house, though

afflicted

> > by Rahu) helped. I think the navamsa placements are also

extremely

> > important.

> >

> > Just my two cents.

> >

> > Regards,

> > Lakshmi

> >

> > sohamsa , " suniljohn_2002 "

> > suniljohn_2002@ wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > || Hare Rama Krishna ||

> > >

> > > Dear Sourav,

> > >

> > > Many thanks for the link, I shall download it.

> > >

> > > If the lecture mentions only the strength of Sun & Moon, I

think

> > people

> > > say that for the fructification of all yogas.

> > >

> > > There is more to it as I have heard. Patel wrote an article on

it

> > in the

> > > Astrological Magazine in the 80s I think. but still am not

sure it

> > works

> > > 100% and there is more to it. His article was based on hints

given

> > in

> > > Chandrakala Nadi.

> > >

> > > Pls call me only Sunil without ji

> > >

> > > Warm regards,

> > >

> > > Sunil John

> > >

> > > Mumbai

> > > sohamsa , " Sourav " <souravc108@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > || Hare Rama Krishna ||

> > > >

> > > > Dear Sunil-ji,

> > > >

> > > > Namaskar. Atri Class #10

> > > > (http://www.sjcerc.com/sjcatri.htm

> > <http://www.sjcerc.com/sjcatri.htm>

> > > > ). Sanjay-ji, gave criteria for fructification and

sustenance of

> > > > Mahapurusa yogas - Surya and Chandra strengths. If I remember

> > > correctly,

> > > > some examples are also given.

> > > >

> > > > Best wishes,

> > > >

> > > > Sourav

> > > >

> > > >

=================================================================

> > > > sohamsa , " suniljohn_2002 "

suniljohn_2002@

> > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > ++Om Datta Guru++

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Members,

> > > > >

> > > > > Namaskar

> > > > >

> > > > > 1. Can someone post detailed step by step reasons why a

> > Mahapurusha

> > > > Yoga

> > > > > In Natal Chart doesn't give effects in real life.

> > > > >

> > > > > 2. Are there different criterias for failure of Different

> > > Mahapurusha

> > > > > Yogas.

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanking you

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards,

> > > > >

> > > > > Sunil John

> > > > >

> > > > > Mumbai

> > > > >

> > > > > P.S: Examples would help better if time permits for the

poster.

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

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|| Hare Rama Krishna ||

 

Namaste Lakshmiji,

 

> Lakshmi: Yesterday I forgot to mention that perhaps if the

> Mahapurusha yoga does not occur from the AL, the person may not be

> deemed to be a Mahapurusha by other people.

>

> In Sri Ramakrishna's chart, Sasa Mahapurusha yoga occurs from

> karakamsaka, and one can see the pervasive influence of Vayu tattwa

> on lagna/surya/chandra/paka lagnas. Just remembered this:--))

 

I remember a discussion between Narasimhaji and Sanjayji some years

back on Mahapurusha Yoga (might be in the archives still). If my

memory doesn't fail me, the conclusions from that discussion were:

 

a) Mahapurusha Yoga should only be considered from rasi lagna (not

chandra lagna or other lagnas).

 

b) Mahapurusha Yoga is only applicable in the rasi chart (not vargas).

 

So I am not sure if judging Mahapurusha Yoga from AL, or judging them

in navamsa is correct.

 

As always, if wrong, I'd appreciate being corrected.

 

May Sri Vishnu bless us all,

Reema.

 

sohamsa , " B Lakshmi Ramesh "

<b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote:

>

> Om Gurave Namah

>

> Dear Sunil,

>

> Namaste.

>

> > 1. In case of Hamsa Mahapurusha Yoga, why did Shri Ram had to

> pray to

> > Durga Ma , when for Jup u mentioned akasha Tatva/Sun. I am unable

> to

> > understand why for Durga

>

> Lakshmi: I also mentioned sattva grahas and Moon is indeed a

> saattwik graha. Also, I refer you to my mail on Samba Shiva and it

> suddenly dawned on me that jupiter (the karaka for

> happiness/aananda) gets exalted in Cancer, because it is the domain

> of Gauri:--)) and the highest/strongest hamsa mahapurusha yoga is

> thus formed in Cancer as a kendra.

>

> Apart from that, in Sri Rama's chart, Moon is extremely important,

> being the lagna lord and conjunct Jupiter. Being the lagna/chandra

> lagna/paka lagna lord, and the dispositor of mahapurusha yoga

> causing planet, moon is extremely crucial in triggering the Yoga.

> Since moon is waxing (shukla navami), the form of Devi is Durga.

>

>

> I

> > checked fast that in Shri Ramas Nav, Jup is with DEBILITATED Moon,

> > wouldn't this spoil the Hamsa yoga.

> >

>

> Lakshmi: In Valmiki Ramayana (Bala kanda, 18th sarga, shlokas 9 &

> 10), it is mentioned that Sri Rama was born in Punarvasu nakshatra

> and Moon was conjunct jupiter in cancer, which was rising at that

> time. That puts Moon in 4th pada of Punarvasu, and makes moon

> vargottama in cancer and extremely powerful. Perhaps the data which

> you are using is different because according to the data given in

> Ramayana, in Sri Rama's navamsa, exalted Jupiter is conjunct Moon in

> swakshetra.

>

> 2. In case of Malavya Yoga - Jala tatva - Moon to be prayed

> >

> > 3. In case of other planets can you kindly list down the planets &

> Gods

> > to be prayed.

>

> Lakshmi: Guruji had already listed the devatas of the planets in his

> lecture on Navamsa, and I am sure you know the devatas as well as I

> do.

>

> > Yes Nav placement is a must even i feel so hence I guess

> Bachchans Jup

> > is blessed as in Nav it is exalted (writing from memory) though i

> need

> > to check in other Mahapurusha yogas charts, again though on short

> note

>

> Lakshmi: Yesterday I forgot to mention that perhaps if the

> Mahapurusha yoga does not occur from the AL, the person may not be

> deemed to be a Mahapurusha by other people.

>

> In Sri Ramakrishna's chart, Sasa Mahapurusha yoga occurs from

> karakamsaka, and one can see the pervasive influence of Vayu tattwa

> on lagna/surya/chandra/paka lagnas. Just remembered this:--))

>

> Awaiting corrections, as usual, from the list members.

>

> Regards,

> Lakshmi

>

>

> > Thanks

> >

> > Kind regards

> >

> > Sunil

> >

> > sohamsa , " B Lakshmi Ramesh "

> > <b_lakshmi_ramesh@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Om Gurave Namah

> > >

> > > Namaste Sunil,

> > >

> > > Apart from the strength of Sun and Moon, I feel that the overall

> > > tattwa and tenor of the natal chart must also support the

> > > Mahapurusha yoga in order for it to fructify. For Hamsa

> Mahapurusha

> > > yoga, I would think that akasha tattwa/Sun/sattva grahas in

> strength

> > > is necessary. Praying to the devatas of sattwa grahas may also

> > > strengthen the maha purusha yoga. Example: Sri Rama's chart.

> After

> > > He prayed to Aditya and Durga, the Maha purusha yoga fully

> > > manifested.

> > >

> > > Similarly, in the case of Ruchaka Mahapurusha yoga, I feel that

> agni

> > > tattwa/strong tamasik grahas; for Bhadra mahapurusha yoga,

> prithvi

> > > tattwa/Mercury; in the case of Malavya Mahapurusha yoga, jala

> > > tattwa/Moon, for Sasa mahapurusha yoga, Vayu tattwa/tamasik

> grahas.

> > >

> > > I can't, off hand, think of good examples, but i seem to recall

> that

> > > in Gandhiji's chart, his strong Moon (in own house, though

> afflicted

> > > by Rahu) helped. I think the navamsa placements are also

> extremely

> > > important.

> > >

> > > Just my two cents.

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > > Lakshmi

> > >

> > > sohamsa , " suniljohn_2002 "

> > > suniljohn_2002@ wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > || Hare Rama Krishna ||

> > > >

> > > > Dear Sourav,

> > > >

> > > > Many thanks for the link, I shall download it.

> > > >

> > > > If the lecture mentions only the strength of Sun & Moon, I

> think

> > > people

> > > > say that for the fructification of all yogas.

> > > >

> > > > There is more to it as I have heard. Patel wrote an article on

> it

> > > in the

> > > > Astrological Magazine in the 80s I think. but still am not

> sure it

> > > works

> > > > 100% and there is more to it. His article was based on hints

> given

> > > in

> > > > Chandrakala Nadi.

> > > >

> > > > Pls call me only Sunil without ji

> > > >

> > > > Warm regards,

> > > >

> > > > Sunil John

> > > >

> > > > Mumbai

> > > > sohamsa , " Sourav " <souravc108@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > || Hare Rama Krishna ||

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Sunil-ji,

> > > > >

> > > > > Namaskar. Atri Class #10

> > > > > (http://www.sjcerc.com/sjcatri.htm

> > > <http://www.sjcerc.com/sjcatri.htm>

> > > > > ). Sanjay-ji, gave criteria for fructification and

> sustenance of

> > > > > Mahapurusa yogas - Surya and Chandra strengths. If I remember

> > > > correctly,

> > > > > some examples are also given.

> > > > >

> > > > > Best wishes,

> > > > >

> > > > > Sourav

> > > > >

> > > > >

> =================================================================

> > > > > sohamsa , " suniljohn_2002 "

> suniljohn_2002@

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ++Om Datta Guru++

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Members,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Namaskar

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 1. Can someone post detailed step by step reasons why a

> > > Mahapurusha

> > > > > Yoga

> > > > > > In Natal Chart doesn't give effects in real life.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 2. Are there different criterias for failure of Different

> > > > Mahapurusha

> > > > > > Yogas.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thanking you

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Sunil John

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Mumbai

> > > > > >

> > > > > > P.S: Examples would help better if time permits for the

> poster.

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

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| om gurave namah |Dear Lakshmi

The exaltation and debility of the grahas is within the domain of that which is created and I don't think anyone has yet given any plausible explanation for the exaltation of planets, their degrees of exaltation and so on. So any spiritual reasoning would not be accurate until we understand why they exalt in the first place and if they do, why they do so in these sopts.

Mahapurusha is another issue altogether and this has to do with the positional strength of the planet - technically sthana bala and then again only in a Kendra.

Your point on the Moonis otherwise most accurate. However the real reason is slightly different and is explainedin Saravali -

when one is passing through a very difficult time and life related challenges are seen, then the remedy lies in worshipping the deity of the Lagna Lord.

In the chart of Sri Rama, the lagnesa is the Moon and in Sukla paksha it indicates Durga (Prasna Marga). Hence Rama worshipped Durga to kill Ravana.Best wishes and warm regards,Sanjay RathPersonal: WebPages ¡ü Rath¡Çs Rhapsody SJC WebPages: Sri Jagannath Center ¡ü SJCERC ¡ü JIVAPublications: The Jyotish Digest ¡ü Sagittarius Publications----

 

 

 

sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of B Lakshmi RameshThursday, May 11, 2006 2:01 PMsohamsa Subject: Re: Failure of Mahapurusha Yoga/Lakshmi

Om Gurave NamahDear Sunil,Namaste.> 1. In case of Hamsa Mahapurusha Yoga, why did Shri Ram had to pray to> Durga Ma , when for Jup u mentioned akasha Tatva/Sun. I am unable to> understand why for DurgaLakshmi: I also mentioned sattva grahas and Moon is indeed a saattwik graha. Also, I refer you to my mail on Samba Shiva and it suddenly dawned on me that jupiter (the karaka for happiness/aananda) gets exalted in Cancer, because it is the domain of Gauri:--)) and the highest/strongest hamsa mahapurusha yoga is thus formed in Cancer as a kendra. Apart from that, in Sri Rama's chart, Moon is extremely important, being the lagna lord and conjunct Jupiter. Being the lagna/chandra lagna/paka lagna lord, and the dispositor of mahapurusha yoga causing planet, moon is extremely crucial in triggering the Yoga. Since moon is waxing (shukla navami), the form of Devi is Durga. I> checked fast that in Shri Ramas Nav, Jup is with DEBILITATED Moon,> wouldn't this spoil the Hamsa yoga.> Lakshmi: In Valmiki Ramayana (Bala kanda, 18th sarga, shlokas 9 & 10), it is mentioned that Sri Rama was born in Punarvasu nakshatra and Moon was conjunct jupiter in cancer, which was rising at that time. That puts Moon in 4th pada of Punarvasu, and makes moon vargottama in cancer and extremely powerful. Perhaps the data which you are using is different because according to the data given in Ramayana, in Sri Rama's navamsa, exalted Jupiter is conjunct Moon in swakshetra.2. In case of Malavya Yoga - Jala tatva - Moon to be prayed> > 3. In case of other planets can you kindly list down the planets & Gods > to be prayed.Lakshmi: Guruji had already listed the devatas of the planets in his lecture on Navamsa, and I am sure you know the devatas as well as I do.> Yes Nav placement is a must even i feel so hence I guess Bachchans Jup> is blessed as in Nav it is exalted (writing from memory) though i need> to check in other Mahapurusha yogas charts, again though on short note Lakshmi: Yesterday I forgot to mention that perhaps if the Mahapurusha yoga does not occur from the AL, the person may not be deemed to be a Mahapurusha by other people. In Sri Ramakrishna's chart, Sasa Mahapurusha yoga occurs from karakamsaka, and one can see the pervasive influence of Vayu tattwa on lagna/surya/chandra/paka lagnas. Just remembered this:--))Awaiting corrections, as usual, from the list members.Regards,Lakshmi> Thanks> > Kind regards> > Sunil> > sohamsa , "B Lakshmi Ramesh"> <b_lakshmi_ramesh@> wrote:> >> > Om Gurave Namah> >> > Namaste Sunil,> >> > Apart from the strength of Sun and Moon, I feel that the overall> > tattwa and tenor of the natal chart must also support the> > Mahapurusha yoga in order for it to fructify. For Hamsa Mahapurusha> > yoga, I would think that akasha tattwa/Sun/sattva grahas in strength> > is necessary. Praying to the devatas of sattwa grahas may also> > strengthen the maha purusha yoga. Example: Sri Rama's chart. After> > He prayed to Aditya and Durga, the Maha purusha yoga fully> > manifested.> >> > Similarly, in the case of Ruchaka Mahapurusha yoga, I feel that agni> > tattwa/strong tamasik grahas; for Bhadra mahapurusha yoga, prithvi> > tattwa/Mercury; in the case of Malavya Mahapurusha yoga, jala> > tattwa/Moon, for Sasa mahapurusha yoga, Vayu tattwa/tamasik grahas.> >> > I can't, off hand, think of good examples, but i seem to recall that> > in Gandhiji's chart, his strong Moon (in own house, though afflicted> > by Rahu) helped. I think the navamsa placements are also extremely> > important.> >> > Just my two cents.> >> > Regards,> > Lakshmi> >> > sohamsa , "suniljohn_2002"> > suniljohn_2002@ wrote:> > >> > >> > > || Hare Rama Krishna ||> > >> > > Dear Sourav,> > >> > > Many thanks for the link, I shall download it.> > >> > > If the lecture mentions only the strength of Sun & Moon, I think> > people> > > say that for the fructification of all yogas.> > >> > > There is more to it as I have heard. Patel wrote an article on it> > in the> > > Astrological Magazine in the 80s I think. but still am not sure it> > works> > > 100% and there is more to it. His article was based on hints given> > in> > > Chandrakala Nadi.> > >> > > Pls call me only Sunil without ji> > >> > > Warm regards,> > >> > > Sunil John> > >> > > Mumbai> > > sohamsa , "Sourav" <souravc108@> wrote:> > > >> > > >> > > > || Hare Rama Krishna ||> > > >> > > > Dear Sunil-ji,> > > >> > > > Namaskar. Atri Class #10> > > > (http://www.sjcerc.com/sjcatri.htm> > <http://www.sjcerc.com/sjcatri.htm>> > > > ). Sanjay-ji, gave criteria for fructification and sustenance of> > > > Mahapurusa yogas - Surya and Chandra strengths. If I remember> > > correctly,> > > > some examples are also given.> > > >> > > > Best wishes,> > > >> > > > Sourav> > > >> > > > =================================================================> > > > sohamsa , "suniljohn_2002" suniljohn_2002@> > > > wrote:> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > ++Om Datta Guru++> > > > >> > > > > Dear Members,> > > > >> > > > > Namaskar> > > > >> > > > > 1. Can someone post detailed step by step reasons why a> > Mahapurusha> > > > Yoga> > > > > In Natal Chart doesn't give effects in real life.> > > > >> > > > > 2. Are there different criterias for failure of Different> > > Mahapurusha> > > > > Yogas.> > > > >> > > > > Thanking you> > > > >> > > > > Regards,> > > > >> > > > > Sunil John> > > > >> > > > > Mumbai> > > > >> > > > > P.S: Examples would help better if time permits for the poster.> > > > >> > > >> > >> >>

 

 

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Dear Lakshmiji,

 

Pranam

 

Thanks for this interesting peice.

 

Regards,

 

Sunil

 

sohamsa , " B Lakshmi Ramesh "

<b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote:

>

> Om Gurave Namah

>

> Dear Sunil,

>

> Namaste.

>

> > 1. In case of Hamsa Mahapurusha Yoga, why did Shri Ram had to

> pray to

> > Durga Ma , when for Jup u mentioned akasha Tatva/Sun. I am

unable

> to

> > understand why for Durga

>

> Lakshmi: I also mentioned sattva grahas and Moon is indeed a

> saattwik graha. Also, I refer you to my mail on Samba Shiva and it

> suddenly dawned on me that jupiter (the karaka for

> happiness/aananda) gets exalted in Cancer, because it is the

domain

> of Gauri:--)) and the highest/strongest hamsa mahapurusha yoga is

> thus formed in Cancer as a kendra.

>

> Apart from that, in Sri Rama's chart, Moon is extremely important,

> being the lagna lord and conjunct Jupiter. Being the lagna/chandra

> lagna/paka lagna lord, and the dispositor of mahapurusha yoga

> causing planet, moon is extremely crucial in triggering the Yoga.

> Since moon is waxing (shukla navami), the form of Devi is Durga.

>

>

> I

> > checked fast that in Shri Ramas Nav, Jup is with DEBILITATED

Moon,

> > wouldn't this spoil the Hamsa yoga.

> >

>

> Lakshmi: In Valmiki Ramayana (Bala kanda, 18th sarga, shlokas 9 &

> 10), it is mentioned that Sri Rama was born in Punarvasu nakshatra

> and Moon was conjunct jupiter in cancer, which was rising at that

> time. That puts Moon in 4th pada of Punarvasu, and makes moon

> vargottama in cancer and extremely powerful. Perhaps the data

which

> you are using is different because according to the data given in

> Ramayana, in Sri Rama's navamsa, exalted Jupiter is conjunct Moon

in

> swakshetra.

>

> 2. In case of Malavya Yoga - Jala tatva - Moon to be prayed

> >

> > 3. In case of other planets can you kindly list down the planets

&

> Gods

> > to be prayed.

>

> Lakshmi: Guruji had already listed the devatas of the planets in

his

> lecture on Navamsa, and I am sure you know the devatas as well as

I

> do.

>

> > Yes Nav placement is a must even i feel so hence I guess

> Bachchans Jup

> > is blessed as in Nav it is exalted (writing from memory) though

i

> need

> > to check in other Mahapurusha yogas charts, again though on

short

> note

>

> Lakshmi: Yesterday I forgot to mention that perhaps if the

> Mahapurusha yoga does not occur from the AL, the person may not be

> deemed to be a Mahapurusha by other people.

>

> In Sri Ramakrishna's chart, Sasa Mahapurusha yoga occurs from

> karakamsaka, and one can see the pervasive influence of Vayu

tattwa

> on lagna/surya/chandra/paka lagnas. Just remembered this:--))

>

> Awaiting corrections, as usual, from the list members.

>

> Regards,

> Lakshmi

>

>

> > Thanks

> >

> > Kind regards

> >

> > Sunil

> >

> > sohamsa , " B Lakshmi Ramesh "

> > <b_lakshmi_ramesh@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Om Gurave Namah

> > >

> > > Namaste Sunil,

> > >

> > > Apart from the strength of Sun and Moon, I feel that the

overall

> > > tattwa and tenor of the natal chart must also support the

> > > Mahapurusha yoga in order for it to fructify. For Hamsa

> Mahapurusha

> > > yoga, I would think that akasha tattwa/Sun/sattva grahas in

> strength

> > > is necessary. Praying to the devatas of sattwa grahas may also

> > > strengthen the maha purusha yoga. Example: Sri Rama's chart.

> After

> > > He prayed to Aditya and Durga, the Maha purusha yoga fully

> > > manifested.

> > >

> > > Similarly, in the case of Ruchaka Mahapurusha yoga, I feel

that

> agni

> > > tattwa/strong tamasik grahas; for Bhadra mahapurusha yoga,

> prithvi

> > > tattwa/Mercury; in the case of Malavya Mahapurusha yoga, jala

> > > tattwa/Moon, for Sasa mahapurusha yoga, Vayu tattwa/tamasik

> grahas.

> > >

> > > I can't, off hand, think of good examples, but i seem to

recall

> that

> > > in Gandhiji's chart, his strong Moon (in own house, though

> afflicted

> > > by Rahu) helped. I think the navamsa placements are also

> extremely

> > > important.

> > >

> > > Just my two cents.

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > > Lakshmi

> > >

> > > sohamsa , " suniljohn_2002 "

> > > suniljohn_2002@ wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > || Hare Rama Krishna ||

> > > >

> > > > Dear Sourav,

> > > >

> > > > Many thanks for the link, I shall download it.

> > > >

> > > > If the lecture mentions only the strength of Sun & Moon, I

> think

> > > people

> > > > say that for the fructification of all yogas.

> > > >

> > > > There is more to it as I have heard. Patel wrote an article

on

> it

> > > in the

> > > > Astrological Magazine in the 80s I think. but still am not

> sure it

> > > works

> > > > 100% and there is more to it. His article was based on hints

> given

> > > in

> > > > Chandrakala Nadi.

> > > >

> > > > Pls call me only Sunil without ji

> > > >

> > > > Warm regards,

> > > >

> > > > Sunil John

> > > >

> > > > Mumbai

> > > > sohamsa , " Sourav " <souravc108@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > || Hare Rama Krishna ||

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Sunil-ji,

> > > > >

> > > > > Namaskar. Atri Class #10

> > > > > (http://www.sjcerc.com/sjcatri.htm

> > > <http://www.sjcerc.com/sjcatri.htm>

> > > > > ). Sanjay-ji, gave criteria for fructification and

> sustenance of

> > > > > Mahapurusa yogas - Surya and Chandra strengths. If I

remember

> > > > correctly,

> > > > > some examples are also given.

> > > > >

> > > > > Best wishes,

> > > > >

> > > > > Sourav

> > > > >

> > > > >

> =================================================================

> > > > > sohamsa , " suniljohn_2002 "

> suniljohn_2002@

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ++Om Datta Guru++

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Members,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Namaskar

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 1. Can someone post detailed step by step reasons why a

> > > Mahapurusha

> > > > > Yoga

> > > > > > In Natal Chart doesn't give effects in real life.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 2. Are there different criterias for failure of Different

> > > > Mahapurusha

> > > > > > Yogas.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thanking you

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Sunil John

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Mumbai

> > > > > >

> > > > > > P.S: Examples would help better if time permits for the

> poster.

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

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Dear Members,

 

Kindly tell me the deity of Mars, when he is placed in Aries &

Retrograde. In Navamsa he is in Leo with Mercury. I think the deity

is Subramanya. Is there any other view.

 

This is for Scorpio Lagna, i.e. Mars in 6th house.

 

Thanks & regards,

Kannan

 

sohamsa , " Sanjay Rath " <guruji wrote:

>

>

>

>

> | om gurave namah |

> Dear Lakshmi

>

> The exaltation and debility of the grahas is within the domain of

that which

> is created and I don't think anyone has yet given any plausible

explanation

> for the exaltation of planets, their degrees of exaltation and so

on. So any

> spiritual reasoning would not be accurate until we understand why

they exalt

> in the first place and if they do, why they do so in these sopts.

>

> Mahapurusha is another issue altogether and this has to do with the

> positional strength of the planet - technically sthana bala and

then again

> only in a Kendra.

>

> Your point on the Moonis otherwise most accurate. However the real

reason is

> slightly different and is explainedin Saravali -

>

> when one is passing through a very difficult time and life related

> challenges are seen, then the remedy lies in worshipping the deity

of the

> Lagna Lord.

>

> In the chart of Sri Rama, the lagnesa is the Moon and in Sukla

paksha it

> indicates Durga (Prasna Marga). Hence Rama worshipped Durga to

kill Ravana.

> Best wishes and warm regards,

> Sanjay Rath

>

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<http://srath.com/blog/>

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> Publications: <http://thejyotishdigest.com/> The Jyotish Digest ¡ü

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>

>

>

> _____

>

> sohamsa [sohamsa ] On

Behalf Of

> B Lakshmi Ramesh

> Thursday, May 11, 2006 2:01 PM

> sohamsa

> Re: Failure of Mahapurusha Yoga/Lakshmi

>

>

> Om Gurave Namah

>

> Dear Sunil,

>

> Namaste.

>

> > 1. In case of Hamsa Mahapurusha Yoga, why did Shri Ram had to

> pray to

> > Durga Ma , when for Jup u mentioned akasha Tatva/Sun. I am unable

> to

> > understand why for Durga

>

> Lakshmi: I also mentioned sattva grahas and Moon is indeed a

> saattwik graha. Also, I refer you to my mail on Samba Shiva and it

> suddenly dawned on me that jupiter (the karaka for

> happiness/aananda) gets exalted in Cancer, because it is the domain

> of Gauri:--)) and the highest/strongest hamsa mahapurusha yoga is

> thus formed in Cancer as a kendra.

>

> Apart from that, in Sri Rama's chart, Moon is extremely important,

> being the lagna lord and conjunct Jupiter. Being the lagna/chandra

> lagna/paka lagna lord, and the dispositor of mahapurusha yoga

> causing planet, moon is extremely crucial in triggering the Yoga.

> Since moon is waxing (shukla navami), the form of Devi is Durga.

>

>

> I

> > checked fast that in Shri Ramas Nav, Jup is with DEBILITATED

Moon,

> > wouldn't this spoil the Hamsa yoga.

> >

>

> Lakshmi: In Valmiki Ramayana (Bala kanda, 18th sarga, shlokas 9 &

> 10), it is mentioned that Sri Rama was born in Punarvasu nakshatra

> and Moon was conjunct jupiter in cancer, which was rising at that

> time. That puts Moon in 4th pada of Punarvasu, and makes moon

> vargottama in cancer and extremely powerful. Perhaps the data which

> you are using is different because according to the data given in

> Ramayana, in Sri Rama's navamsa, exalted Jupiter is conjunct Moon

in

> swakshetra.

>

> 2. In case of Malavya Yoga - Jala tatva - Moon to be prayed

> >

> > 3. In case of other planets can you kindly list down the planets

&

> Gods

> > to be prayed.

>

> Lakshmi: Guruji had already listed the devatas of the planets in

his

> lecture on Navamsa, and I am sure you know the devatas as well as I

> do.

>

> > Yes Nav placement is a must even i feel so hence I guess

> Bachchans Jup

> > is blessed as in Nav it is exalted (writing from memory) though i

> need

> > to check in other Mahapurusha yogas charts, again though on short

> note

>

> Lakshmi: Yesterday I forgot to mention that perhaps if the

> Mahapurusha yoga does not occur from the AL, the person may not be

> deemed to be a Mahapurusha by other people.

>

> In Sri Ramakrishna's chart, Sasa Mahapurusha yoga occurs from

> karakamsaka, and one can see the pervasive influence of Vayu tattwa

> on lagna/surya/chandra/paka lagnas. Just remembered this:--))

>

> Awaiting corrections, as usual, from the list members.

>

> Regards,

> Lakshmi

>

>

> > Thanks

> >

> > Kind regards

> >

> > Sunil

> >

> > sohamsa , " B Lakshmi Ramesh "

> > <b_lakshmi_ramesh@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Om Gurave Namah

> > >

> > > Namaste Sunil,

> > >

> > > Apart from the strength of Sun and Moon, I feel that the

overall

> > > tattwa and tenor of the natal chart must also support the

> > > Mahapurusha yoga in order for it to fructify. For Hamsa

> Mahapurusha

> > > yoga, I would think that akasha tattwa/Sun/sattva grahas in

> strength

> > > is necessary. Praying to the devatas of sattwa grahas may also

> > > strengthen the maha purusha yoga. Example: Sri Rama's chart.

> After

> > > He prayed to Aditya and Durga, the Maha purusha yoga fully

> > > manifested.

> > >

> > > Similarly, in the case of Ruchaka Mahapurusha yoga, I feel that

> agni

> > > tattwa/strong tamasik grahas; for Bhadra mahapurusha yoga,

> prithvi

> > > tattwa/Mercury; in the case of Malavya Mahapurusha yoga, jala

> > > tattwa/Moon, for Sasa mahapurusha yoga, Vayu tattwa/tamasik

> grahas.

> > >

> > > I can't, off hand, think of good examples, but i seem to recall

> that

> > > in Gandhiji's chart, his strong Moon (in own house, though

> afflicted

> > > by Rahu) helped. I think the navamsa placements are also

> extremely

> > > important.

> > >

> > > Just my two cents.

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > > Lakshmi

> > >

> > > sohamsa , " suniljohn_2002 "

> > > suniljohn_2002@ wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > || Hare Rama Krishna ||

> > > >

> > > > Dear Sourav,

> > > >

> > > > Many thanks for the link, I shall download it.

> > > >

> > > > If the lecture mentions only the strength of Sun & Moon, I

> think

> > > people

> > > > say that for the fructification of all yogas.

> > > >

> > > > There is more to it as I have heard. Patel wrote an article

on

> it

> > > in the

> > > > Astrological Magazine in the 80s I think. but still am not

> sure it

> > > works

> > > > 100% and there is more to it. His article was based on hints

> given

> > > in

> > > > Chandrakala Nadi.

> > > >

> > > > Pls call me only Sunil without ji

> > > >

> > > > Warm regards,

> > > >

> > > > Sunil John

> > > >

> > > > Mumbai

> > > > sohamsa , " Sourav " <souravc108@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > || Hare Rama Krishna ||

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Sunil-ji,

> > > > >

> > > > > Namaskar. Atri Class #10

> > > > > (http://www.sjcerc.com/sjcatri.htm

> > > <http://www.sjcerc.com/sjcatri.htm>

> > > > > ). Sanjay-ji, gave criteria for fructification and

> sustenance of

> > > > > Mahapurusa yogas - Surya and Chandra strengths. If I

remember

> > > > correctly,

> > > > > some examples are also given.

> > > > >

> > > > > Best wishes,

> > > > >

> > > > > Sourav

> > > > >

> > > > >

> =================================================================

> > > > > sohamsa , " suniljohn_2002 "

> suniljohn_2002@

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ++Om Datta Guru++

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Members,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Namaskar

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 1. Can someone post detailed step by step reasons why a

> > > Mahapurusha

> > > > > Yoga

> > > > > > In Natal Chart doesn't give effects in real life.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 2. Are there different criterias for failure of Different

> > > > Mahapurusha

> > > > > > Yogas.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thanking you

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Sunil John

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Mumbai

> > > > > >

> > > > > > P.S: Examples would help better if time permits for the

> poster.

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

*tat savitur varenyam*

>

>

>

>

>

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Om Gurave Namah

 

Namaste Reema ji,

 

Perception can both support or distort reality. Mahapurusha yoga

from lagna is of course the real measure. I am sure that all of us

have seen quite a few unsung Maha purushas, while there are quite a

few whom the public have understood to be Mahapurushas, which may

not be true at all:--))

 

I was referring to the strength of Maha purusha yoga karaka planets

in navamsa and not of mahapurusha yogas in navamsa. I am sorry if I

have erroneously conveyed such an impression.

 

Regards,

Lakshmi

 

 

 

 

 

sohamsa , " reema_sriganesh "

<reema_sriganesh wrote:

>

> || Hare Rama Krishna ||

>

> Namaste Lakshmiji,

>

> > Lakshmi: Yesterday I forgot to mention that perhaps if the

> > Mahapurusha yoga does not occur from the AL, the person may not

be

> > deemed to be a Mahapurusha by other people.

> >

> > In Sri Ramakrishna's chart, Sasa Mahapurusha yoga occurs from

> > karakamsaka, and one can see the pervasive influence of Vayu

tattwa

> > on lagna/surya/chandra/paka lagnas. Just remembered this:--))

>

> I remember a discussion between Narasimhaji and Sanjayji some years

> back on Mahapurusha Yoga (might be in the archives still). If my

> memory doesn't fail me, the conclusions from that discussion were:

>

> a) Mahapurusha Yoga should only be considered from rasi lagna (not

> chandra lagna or other lagnas).

>

> b) Mahapurusha Yoga is only applicable in the rasi chart (not

vargas).

>

> So I am not sure if judging Mahapurusha Yoga from AL, or judging

them

> in navamsa is correct.

>

> As always, if wrong, I'd appreciate being corrected.

>

> May Sri Vishnu bless us all,

> Reema.

>

> sohamsa , " B Lakshmi Ramesh "

> <b_lakshmi_ramesh@> wrote:

> >

> > Om Gurave Namah

> >

> > Dear Sunil,

> >

> > Namaste.

> >

> > > 1. In case of Hamsa Mahapurusha Yoga, why did Shri Ram had

to

> > pray to

> > > Durga Ma , when for Jup u mentioned akasha Tatva/Sun. I am

unable

> > to

> > > understand why for Durga

> >

> > Lakshmi: I also mentioned sattva grahas and Moon is indeed a

> > saattwik graha. Also, I refer you to my mail on Samba Shiva and

it

> > suddenly dawned on me that jupiter (the karaka for

> > happiness/aananda) gets exalted in Cancer, because it is the

domain

> > of Gauri:--)) and the highest/strongest hamsa mahapurusha yoga

is

> > thus formed in Cancer as a kendra.

> >

> > Apart from that, in Sri Rama's chart, Moon is extremely

important,

> > being the lagna lord and conjunct Jupiter. Being the

lagna/chandra

> > lagna/paka lagna lord, and the dispositor of mahapurusha yoga

> > causing planet, moon is extremely crucial in triggering the

Yoga.

> > Since moon is waxing (shukla navami), the form of Devi is Durga.

> >

> >

> > I

> > > checked fast that in Shri Ramas Nav, Jup is with DEBILITATED

Moon,

> > > wouldn't this spoil the Hamsa yoga.

> > >

> >

> > Lakshmi: In Valmiki Ramayana (Bala kanda, 18th sarga, shlokas 9

&

> > 10), it is mentioned that Sri Rama was born in Punarvasu

nakshatra

> > and Moon was conjunct jupiter in cancer, which was rising at

that

> > time. That puts Moon in 4th pada of Punarvasu, and makes moon

> > vargottama in cancer and extremely powerful. Perhaps the data

which

> > you are using is different because according to the data given

in

> > Ramayana, in Sri Rama's navamsa, exalted Jupiter is conjunct

Moon in

> > swakshetra.

> >

> > 2. In case of Malavya Yoga - Jala tatva - Moon to be prayed

> > >

> > > 3. In case of other planets can you kindly list down the

planets &

> > Gods

> > > to be prayed.

> >

> > Lakshmi: Guruji had already listed the devatas of the planets in

his

> > lecture on Navamsa, and I am sure you know the devatas as well

as I

> > do.

> >

> > > Yes Nav placement is a must even i feel so hence I guess

> > Bachchans Jup

> > > is blessed as in Nav it is exalted (writing from memory)

though i

> > need

> > > to check in other Mahapurusha yogas charts, again though on

short

> > note

> >

> > Lakshmi: Yesterday I forgot to mention that perhaps if the

> > Mahapurusha yoga does not occur from the AL, the person may not

be

> > deemed to be a Mahapurusha by other people.

> >

> > In Sri Ramakrishna's chart, Sasa Mahapurusha yoga occurs from

> > karakamsaka, and one can see the pervasive influence of Vayu

tattwa

> > on lagna/surya/chandra/paka lagnas. Just remembered this:--))

> >

> > Awaiting corrections, as usual, from the list members.

> >

> > Regards,

> > Lakshmi

> >

> >

> > > Thanks

> > >

> > > Kind regards

> > >

> > > Sunil

> > >

> > > sohamsa , " B Lakshmi Ramesh "

> > > <b_lakshmi_ramesh@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Om Gurave Namah

> > > >

> > > > Namaste Sunil,

> > > >

> > > > Apart from the strength of Sun and Moon, I feel that the

overall

> > > > tattwa and tenor of the natal chart must also support the

> > > > Mahapurusha yoga in order for it to fructify. For Hamsa

> > Mahapurusha

> > > > yoga, I would think that akasha tattwa/Sun/sattva grahas in

> > strength

> > > > is necessary. Praying to the devatas of sattwa grahas may

also

> > > > strengthen the maha purusha yoga. Example: Sri Rama's chart.

> > After

> > > > He prayed to Aditya and Durga, the Maha purusha yoga fully

> > > > manifested.

> > > >

> > > > Similarly, in the case of Ruchaka Mahapurusha yoga, I feel

that

> > agni

> > > > tattwa/strong tamasik grahas; for Bhadra mahapurusha yoga,

> > prithvi

> > > > tattwa/Mercury; in the case of Malavya Mahapurusha yoga, jala

> > > > tattwa/Moon, for Sasa mahapurusha yoga, Vayu tattwa/tamasik

> > grahas.

> > > >

> > > > I can't, off hand, think of good examples, but i seem to

recall

> > that

> > > > in Gandhiji's chart, his strong Moon (in own house, though

> > afflicted

> > > > by Rahu) helped. I think the navamsa placements are also

> > extremely

> > > > important.

> > > >

> > > > Just my two cents.

> > > >

> > > > Regards,

> > > > Lakshmi

> > > >

> > > > sohamsa , " suniljohn_2002 "

> > > > suniljohn_2002@ wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > || Hare Rama Krishna ||

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Sourav,

> > > > >

> > > > > Many thanks for the link, I shall download it.

> > > > >

> > > > > If the lecture mentions only the strength of Sun & Moon, I

> > think

> > > > people

> > > > > say that for the fructification of all yogas.

> > > > >

> > > > > There is more to it as I have heard. Patel wrote an

article on

> > it

> > > > in the

> > > > > Astrological Magazine in the 80s I think. but still am not

> > sure it

> > > > works

> > > > > 100% and there is more to it. His article was based on

hints

> > given

> > > > in

> > > > > Chandrakala Nadi.

> > > > >

> > > > > Pls call me only Sunil without ji

> > > > >

> > > > > Warm regards,

> > > > >

> > > > > Sunil John

> > > > >

> > > > > Mumbai

> > > > > sohamsa , " Sourav " <souravc108@>

wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > || Hare Rama Krishna ||

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Sunil-ji,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Namaskar. Atri Class #10

> > > > > > (http://www.sjcerc.com/sjcatri.htm

> > > > <http://www.sjcerc.com/sjcatri.htm>

> > > > > > ). Sanjay-ji, gave criteria for fructification and

> > sustenance of

> > > > > > Mahapurusa yogas - Surya and Chandra strengths. If I

remember

> > > > > correctly,

> > > > > > some examples are also given.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Best wishes,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Sourav

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > =================================================================

> > > > > > sohamsa , " suniljohn_2002 "

> > suniljohn_2002@

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > ++Om Datta Guru++

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Members,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Namaskar

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 1. Can someone post detailed step by step reasons why a

> > > > Mahapurusha

> > > > > > Yoga

> > > > > > > In Natal Chart doesn't give effects in real life.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 2. Are there different criterias for failure of

Different

> > > > > Mahapurusha

> > > > > > > Yogas.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Thanking you

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Sunil John

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Mumbai

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > P.S: Examples would help better if time permits for

the

> > poster.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

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Om Gurave Namah

 

Namaste Guruji,

 

> The exaltation and debility of the grahas is within the domain of

that which

> is created and I don't think anyone has yet given any plausible

explanation

> for the exaltation of planets, their degrees of exaltation and so

on. So any

> spiritual reasoning would not be accurate until we understand why

they exalt

> in the first place and if they do, why they do so in these sopts.

 

Lakshmi: What you have said is very correct, Guruji, but one can not

help trying to understand, and ofcourse many blunders are bound to

occur in the process. But in those blind stumblings, while we may

not exactly hit upon truth, With the Grace of God and Rishis, our

blind stumblings & ramblings might just take us an inch closer to

It. For impatient souls like me, even that little counts, I guess:--

))

 

 

> Mahapurusha is another issue altogether and this has to do with the

> positional strength of the planet - technically sthana bala and

then again

> only in a Kendra.

>

 

> Your point on the Moonis otherwise most accurate. However the real

reason is

> slightly different and is explainedin Saravali -

>

> when one is passing through a very difficult time and life related

> challenges are seen, then the remedy lies in worshipping the deity

of the

> Lagna Lord.

>

> In the chart of Sri Rama, the lagnesa is the Moon and in Sukla

paksha it

> indicates Durga (Prasna Marga). Hence Rama worshipped Durga to

kill Ravana.

 

Lakshmi: Thanks for sharing this. I'll remember it.

 

Regards,

Lakshmi

 

 

> Best wishes and warm regards,

> Sanjay Rath

>

> Personal: <http://srath.com/blog/> WebPages ¡ü

<http://srath.com/blog/>

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>

>

>

> _____

>

> sohamsa [sohamsa ] On

Behalf Of

> B Lakshmi Ramesh

> Thursday, May 11, 2006 2:01 PM

> sohamsa

> Re: Failure of Mahapurusha Yoga/Lakshmi

>

>

> Om Gurave Namah

>

> Dear Sunil,

>

> Namaste.

>

> > 1. In case of Hamsa Mahapurusha Yoga, why did Shri Ram had to

> pray to

> > Durga Ma , when for Jup u mentioned akasha Tatva/Sun. I am unable

> to

> > understand why for Durga

>

> Lakshmi: I also mentioned sattva grahas and Moon is indeed a

> saattwik graha. Also, I refer you to my mail on Samba Shiva and it

> suddenly dawned on me that jupiter (the karaka for

> happiness/aananda) gets exalted in Cancer, because it is the domain

> of Gauri:--)) and the highest/strongest hamsa mahapurusha yoga is

> thus formed in Cancer as a kendra.

>

> Apart from that, in Sri Rama's chart, Moon is extremely important,

> being the lagna lord and conjunct Jupiter. Being the lagna/chandra

> lagna/paka lagna lord, and the dispositor of mahapurusha yoga

> causing planet, moon is extremely crucial in triggering the Yoga.

> Since moon is waxing (shukla navami), the form of Devi is Durga.

>

>

> I

> > checked fast that in Shri Ramas Nav, Jup is with DEBILITATED

Moon,

> > wouldn't this spoil the Hamsa yoga.

> >

>

> Lakshmi: In Valmiki Ramayana (Bala kanda, 18th sarga, shlokas 9 &

> 10), it is mentioned that Sri Rama was born in Punarvasu nakshatra

> and Moon was conjunct jupiter in cancer, which was rising at that

> time. That puts Moon in 4th pada of Punarvasu, and makes moon

> vargottama in cancer and extremely powerful. Perhaps the data which

> you are using is different because according to the data given in

> Ramayana, in Sri Rama's navamsa, exalted Jupiter is conjunct Moon

in

> swakshetra.

>

> 2. In case of Malavya Yoga - Jala tatva - Moon to be prayed

> >

> > 3. In case of other planets can you kindly list down the planets

&

> Gods

> > to be prayed.

>

> Lakshmi: Guruji had already listed the devatas of the planets in

his

> lecture on Navamsa, and I am sure you know the devatas as well as I

> do.

>

> > Yes Nav placement is a must even i feel so hence I guess

> Bachchans Jup

> > is blessed as in Nav it is exalted (writing from memory) though i

> need

> > to check in other Mahapurusha yogas charts, again though on short

> note

>

> Lakshmi: Yesterday I forgot to mention that perhaps if the

> Mahapurusha yoga does not occur from the AL, the person may not be

> deemed to be a Mahapurusha by other people.

>

> In Sri Ramakrishna's chart, Sasa Mahapurusha yoga occurs from

> karakamsaka, and one can see the pervasive influence of Vayu tattwa

> on lagna/surya/chandra/paka lagnas. Just remembered this:--))

>

> Awaiting corrections, as usual, from the list members.

>

> Regards,

> Lakshmi

>

>

> > Thanks

> >

> > Kind regards

> >

> > Sunil

> >

> > sohamsa , " B Lakshmi Ramesh "

> > <b_lakshmi_ramesh@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Om Gurave Namah

> > >

> > > Namaste Sunil,

> > >

> > > Apart from the strength of Sun and Moon, I feel that the

overall

> > > tattwa and tenor of the natal chart must also support the

> > > Mahapurusha yoga in order for it to fructify. For Hamsa

> Mahapurusha

> > > yoga, I would think that akasha tattwa/Sun/sattva grahas in

> strength

> > > is necessary. Praying to the devatas of sattwa grahas may also

> > > strengthen the maha purusha yoga. Example: Sri Rama's chart.

> After

> > > He prayed to Aditya and Durga, the Maha purusha yoga fully

> > > manifested.

> > >

> > > Similarly, in the case of Ruchaka Mahapurusha yoga, I feel that

> agni

> > > tattwa/strong tamasik grahas; for Bhadra mahapurusha yoga,

> prithvi

> > > tattwa/Mercury; in the case of Malavya Mahapurusha yoga, jala

> > > tattwa/Moon, for Sasa mahapurusha yoga, Vayu tattwa/tamasik

> grahas.

> > >

> > > I can't, off hand, think of good examples, but i seem to recall

> that

> > > in Gandhiji's chart, his strong Moon (in own house, though

> afflicted

> > > by Rahu) helped. I think the navamsa placements are also

> extremely

> > > important.

> > >

> > > Just my two cents.

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > > Lakshmi

> > >

> > > sohamsa , " suniljohn_2002 "

> > > suniljohn_2002@ wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > || Hare Rama Krishna ||

> > > >

> > > > Dear Sourav,

> > > >

> > > > Many thanks for the link, I shall download it.

> > > >

> > > > If the lecture mentions only the strength of Sun & Moon, I

> think

> > > people

> > > > say that for the fructification of all yogas.

> > > >

> > > > There is more to it as I have heard. Patel wrote an article

on

> it

> > > in the

> > > > Astrological Magazine in the 80s I think. but still am not

> sure it

> > > works

> > > > 100% and there is more to it. His article was based on hints

> given

> > > in

> > > > Chandrakala Nadi.

> > > >

> > > > Pls call me only Sunil without ji

> > > >

> > > > Warm regards,

> > > >

> > > > Sunil John

> > > >

> > > > Mumbai

> > > > sohamsa , " Sourav " <souravc108@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > || Hare Rama Krishna ||

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Sunil-ji,

> > > > >

> > > > > Namaskar. Atri Class #10

> > > > > (http://www.sjcerc.com/sjcatri.htm

> > > <http://www.sjcerc.com/sjcatri.htm>

> > > > > ). Sanjay-ji, gave criteria for fructification and

> sustenance of

> > > > > Mahapurusa yogas - Surya and Chandra strengths. If I

remember

> > > > correctly,

> > > > > some examples are also given.

> > > > >

> > > > > Best wishes,

> > > > >

> > > > > Sourav

> > > > >

> > > > >

> =================================================================

> > > > > sohamsa , " suniljohn_2002 "

> suniljohn_2002@

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ++Om Datta Guru++

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Members,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Namaskar

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 1. Can someone post detailed step by step reasons why a

> > > Mahapurusha

> > > > > Yoga

> > > > > > In Natal Chart doesn't give effects in real life.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 2. Are there different criterias for failure of Different

> > > > Mahapurusha

> > > > > > Yogas.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thanking you

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Sunil John

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Mumbai

> > > > > >

> > > > > > P.S: Examples would help better if time permits for the

> poster.

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

*tat savitur varenyam*

>

>

>

>

>

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Dear Sanjay

 

Regarding the plausible explanation for exaltation and debilitation. I think you have to go back to the Vedic forms of the solar deity to find it. I don't know if these correspond exactly with your tradition, but they seem to describe each exaltation and debilitation easily.

 

Sun in Aries Savitri - constant source of life and light

Sun in Libra - Aryaman - perfect balance, marriage, fine arts

Moon in Taurus - Pushan - nourisher, lord of food and of possessions. Moon is the seat of emotions, which give desire.

Moon in Scorpio - Amsha - deserts or results of desire

Mars in Capricorn - Vishnu - power of action, maintainance of order

Mars in Cancer - Parvati/Uma - Compassion has Mars running in ever decreasing circles.

Mercury in Virgo - Mahavishnu - Only perfection is worthwhile.

Mercury in Pisces - Vivasvan - sacrifice of earthly perfection

Jupiter in Cancer - Varuna - morality, compassion for the ignorant

Jupiter in Capricorn - Vishnu - accomplishment, order, action, not knowledge.

Venus in Pisces - Vivasvan - sacrifice of desire is realisation.

Venus in Virgo - Mahavishnu - maintainance of earthly perfection - in purity no desire.

Saturn in Libra - Aryaman - balance prevents suffering, death, etc.

Saturn in Aries - Savitri no balance for Saturn

Rahu seems to be in tune with Taurus, Gemini (Shakra - power) and Virgo

Ketu in Scorpio relishes deserts for sins and in Jupiter's Signs there is knowledge of the spiritual path and realization.

 

Regards

 

Gordon

 

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JAI SRIRAM

 

Dear Sanjayji,

 

As per yuti rule Moon will give the reuslt of Jupiter and vice

versa,so for Moon,Jupiter deity should be worshipped or not?

 

Thanks,

Venkatesh

 

sohamsa , " Sanjay Rath " <guruji wrote:

>

>

>

>

> | om gurave namah |

> Dear Lakshmi

>

> The exaltation and debility of the grahas is within the domain of

that which

> is created and I don't think anyone has yet given any plausible

explanation

> for the exaltation of planets, their degrees of exaltation and so

on. So any

> spiritual reasoning would not be accurate until we understand why

they exalt

> in the first place and if they do, why they do so in these sopts.

>

> Mahapurusha is another issue altogether and this has to do with the

> positional strength of the planet - technically sthana bala and

then again

> only in a Kendra.

>

> Your point on the Moonis otherwise most accurate. However the real

reason is

> slightly different and is explainedin Saravali -

>

> when one is passing through a very difficult time and life related

> challenges are seen, then the remedy lies in worshipping the deity

of the

> Lagna Lord.

>

> In the chart of Sri Rama, the lagnesa is the Moon and in Sukla

paksha it

> indicates Durga (Prasna Marga). Hence Rama worshipped Durga to

kill Ravana.

> Best wishes and warm regards,

> Sanjay Rath

>

> Personal: <http://srath.com/blog/> WebPages ¡ü

<http://srath.com/blog/>

> Rath¡Çs Rhapsody

> SJC WebPages: <http://.org/> Sri Jagannath Center ¡ü

> <http://sjcerc.com/> SJCERC ¡ü <http://jiva.us/> JIVA

> Publications: <http://thejyotishdigest.com/> The Jyotish Digest ¡ü

> <http://sagittariuspublications.com/> Sagittarius Publications

> -

---

>

>

>

> _____

>

> sohamsa [sohamsa ] On

Behalf Of

> B Lakshmi Ramesh

> Thursday, May 11, 2006 2:01 PM

> sohamsa

> Re: Failure of Mahapurusha Yoga/Lakshmi

>

>

> Om Gurave Namah

>

> Dear Sunil,

>

> Namaste.

>

> > 1. In case of Hamsa Mahapurusha Yoga, why did Shri Ram had to

> pray to

> > Durga Ma , when for Jup u mentioned akasha Tatva/Sun. I am unable

> to

> > understand why for Durga

>

> Lakshmi: I also mentioned sattva grahas and Moon is indeed a

> saattwik graha. Also, I refer you to my mail on Samba Shiva and it

> suddenly dawned on me that jupiter (the karaka for

> happiness/aananda) gets exalted in Cancer, because it is the domain

> of Gauri:--)) and the highest/strongest hamsa mahapurusha yoga is

> thus formed in Cancer as a kendra.

>

> Apart from that, in Sri Rama's chart, Moon is extremely important,

> being the lagna lord and conjunct Jupiter. Being the lagna/chandra

> lagna/paka lagna lord, and the dispositor of mahapurusha yoga

> causing planet, moon is extremely crucial in triggering the Yoga.

> Since moon is waxing (shukla navami), the form of Devi is Durga.

>

>

> I

> > checked fast that in Shri Ramas Nav, Jup is with DEBILITATED

Moon,

> > wouldn't this spoil the Hamsa yoga.

> >

>

> Lakshmi: In Valmiki Ramayana (Bala kanda, 18th sarga, shlokas 9 &

> 10), it is mentioned that Sri Rama was born in Punarvasu nakshatra

> and Moon was conjunct jupiter in cancer, which was rising at that

> time. That puts Moon in 4th pada of Punarvasu, and makes moon

> vargottama in cancer and extremely powerful. Perhaps the data which

> you are using is different because according to the data given in

> Ramayana, in Sri Rama's navamsa, exalted Jupiter is conjunct Moon

in

> swakshetra.

>

> 2. In case of Malavya Yoga - Jala tatva - Moon to be prayed

> >

> > 3. In case of other planets can you kindly list down the planets

&

> Gods

> > to be prayed.

>

> Lakshmi: Guruji had already listed the devatas of the planets in

his

> lecture on Navamsa, and I am sure you know the devatas as well as I

> do.

>

> > Yes Nav placement is a must even i feel so hence I guess

> Bachchans Jup

> > is blessed as in Nav it is exalted (writing from memory) though i

> need

> > to check in other Mahapurusha yogas charts, again though on short

> note

>

> Lakshmi: Yesterday I forgot to mention that perhaps if the

> Mahapurusha yoga does not occur from the AL, the person may not be

> deemed to be a Mahapurusha by other people.

>

> In Sri Ramakrishna's chart, Sasa Mahapurusha yoga occurs from

> karakamsaka, and one can see the pervasive influence of Vayu tattwa

> on lagna/surya/chandra/paka lagnas. Just remembered this:--))

>

> Awaiting corrections, as usual, from the list members.

>

> Regards,

> Lakshmi

>

>

> > Thanks

> >

> > Kind regards

> >

> > Sunil

> >

> > sohamsa , " B Lakshmi Ramesh "

> > <b_lakshmi_ramesh@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Om Gurave Namah

> > >

> > > Namaste Sunil,

> > >

> > > Apart from the strength of Sun and Moon, I feel that the

overall

> > > tattwa and tenor of the natal chart must also support the

> > > Mahapurusha yoga in order for it to fructify. For Hamsa

> Mahapurusha

> > > yoga, I would think that akasha tattwa/Sun/sattva grahas in

> strength

> > > is necessary. Praying to the devatas of sattwa grahas may also

> > > strengthen the maha purusha yoga. Example: Sri Rama's chart.

> After

> > > He prayed to Aditya and Durga, the Maha purusha yoga fully

> > > manifested.

> > >

> > > Similarly, in the case of Ruchaka Mahapurusha yoga, I feel that

> agni

> > > tattwa/strong tamasik grahas; for Bhadra mahapurusha yoga,

> prithvi

> > > tattwa/Mercury; in the case of Malavya Mahapurusha yoga, jala

> > > tattwa/Moon, for Sasa mahapurusha yoga, Vayu tattwa/tamasik

> grahas.

> > >

> > > I can't, off hand, think of good examples, but i seem to recall

> that

> > > in Gandhiji's chart, his strong Moon (in own house, though

> afflicted

> > > by Rahu) helped. I think the navamsa placements are also

> extremely

> > > important.

> > >

> > > Just my two cents.

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > > Lakshmi

> > >

> > > sohamsa , " suniljohn_2002 "

> > > suniljohn_2002@ wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > || Hare Rama Krishna ||

> > > >

> > > > Dear Sourav,

> > > >

> > > > Many thanks for the link, I shall download it.

> > > >

> > > > If the lecture mentions only the strength of Sun & Moon, I

> think

> > > people

> > > > say that for the fructification of all yogas.

> > > >

> > > > There is more to it as I have heard. Patel wrote an article

on

> it

> > > in the

> > > > Astrological Magazine in the 80s I think. but still am not

> sure it

> > > works

> > > > 100% and there is more to it. His article was based on hints

> given

> > > in

> > > > Chandrakala Nadi.

> > > >

> > > > Pls call me only Sunil without ji

> > > >

> > > > Warm regards,

> > > >

> > > > Sunil John

> > > >

> > > > Mumbai

> > > > sohamsa , " Sourav " <souravc108@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > || Hare Rama Krishna ||

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Sunil-ji,

> > > > >

> > > > > Namaskar. Atri Class #10

> > > > > (http://www.sjcerc.com/sjcatri.htm

> > > <http://www.sjcerc.com/sjcatri.htm>

> > > > > ). Sanjay-ji, gave criteria for fructification and

> sustenance of

> > > > > Mahapurusa yogas - Surya and Chandra strengths. If I

remember

> > > > correctly,

> > > > > some examples are also given.

> > > > >

> > > > > Best wishes,

> > > > >

> > > > > Sourav

> > > > >

> > > > >

> =================================================================

> > > > > sohamsa , " suniljohn_2002 "

> suniljohn_2002@

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

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> > > > > > ++Om Datta Guru++

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> > > > > > Dear Members,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Namaskar

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> > > > > > 1. Can someone post detailed step by step reasons why a

> > > Mahapurusha

> > > > > Yoga

> > > > > > In Natal Chart doesn't give effects in real life.

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> > > > > > 2. Are there different criterias for failure of Different

> > > > Mahapurusha

> > > > > > Yogas.

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> > > > > > Thanking you

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> > > > > > Regards,

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> > > > > > Sunil John

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> > > > > > Mumbai

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> > > > > > P.S: Examples would help better if time permits for the

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*tat savitur varenyam*

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