Sanskrit and Pramod Mahajan

May 9, 2006

Namaste,

I just caught one mail in this thread. Sourav, you wrote:

> Sandhi is between words. Sa- is a prefix and not a word.

That is incorrect. Sandhi can happen between a prefix and a word too. Examples are sa+aayudha=saayudha, nih+aayudha=niraayudha, vi+atipaata=vyatipaata, vi+avasaaya=vyavasaaya etc.

> But the correct word is Saamba not Saambaa.

Nope, if you add sa in front of a feminine word that ends with long a ("aa") to describe a masculine entity, then the long a becomes short a ("a"). So "Saamba" means "one who is with Ambaa". Similarly, "saseeta" ending with a short a can be used to describe Rama who is with Seeta.

Etymologically, Lakshmi's view on the word "Saamba" is correct.

BTW, Sanjay, you asked:

> > > > > which chart did you use anyway? Taurus or Gemini Lagna?

I used Gemini lagna chart given by you. May be I missed some riders, but I got "long life" for that chart using the three parts rule. Moreover, Shoola dasa of Ge was running and it did not seem bad, except for the aspect of Moon and Venus. It does not satisfy any other marakatwa criteria. Or did I miss something? Why did Ge dasa bring such a bad death?

May the light of Brahman shine within,

Narasimha

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> || Hare Rama Krishna ||> > Dear Lakshmi-ji,> > Namaskar. Sa+ Ambaa= Saambaa. But the> correct word is Saamba not Saambaa. Please check dictionary like> Monier-Williams. Besides, what does Sa+Ambaa mean ? Sa- is a prefix used> in the sense of 'being with' or 'attended by'. Like Sa-putra = with> son. Sandhi is between words. Sa- is a prefix and not a word. Anyway,> M-W gives Saamba as 'attended by Ambaa'.> > Best wishes,> > Sourav> > =================================================================> sohamsa , "B Lakshmi Ramesh"> <b_lakshmi_ramesh@> wrote:> >> > Om Gurave Namah> >> > Dear Sourav,> >> > Namaste.> >> > Why Sa+amba can not be a proper sandhi? I think it is savarna> > deergha sandhi. similar examples will be sa+adhikaarata => > saadhikaarata etc> >> > Regards,> > Lakshmi> >> >> > sohamsa , "Sourav" souravc108@ wrote:> > >> > >> > > || Hare Rama Krishna ||> > >> > > Dear Lakshmi-ji,> > >> > > namaskar. You are correct.> > Saamba Siva> > > means Siva attended by Ambaa. However, Saamba is not exactly sa +> > Amba> > > as far as sandhi goes. It means Ambaa-yuktah.> > >> > > Best wishes,> > >> > > Sourav> > >> > > ===============================================================> > > sohamsa , "B Lakshmi Ramesh"> > > <b_lakshmi_ramesh@> wrote:> > > >> > > > Om Gurave Namah> > > >> > > > Namaste Guruji,> > > >> > > > In your navamsa lecture you were pointing out the difference> > between> > > > Shiva and Samba Shiva.> > > >> > > > Sa+Amba Shiva...Shiva with Mother...is it the association of> > Mother> > > > that gave Samba Shiva a form (as distinguished from His usual> > linga> > > > roopa)?> > > >> > > > Regards,> > > > Lakshmi> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > sohamsa , "Sanjay Rath" guruji@ wrote:> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > | om gurave namah |> > > > > Dear Narasimha> > > > >> > > > > I have been seeing the chart of Sri Mahajan off and on for many> > > > years in the> > > > > 1990's from the time he was Defence Minister. There was a time> > > > when he lost> > > > > faith in astrologers (13 day BJP Government) and then I had to> > > > give my> > > > > predictions in writing to prove that astrology works (thats> > > > personal chart> > > > > of his) and not only that I also published India's chart in the> > > > Times of> > > > > Astrology etc.> > > > >> > > > > Point is, why will Pramod Mahajan lie to me? Everybody has got> > > > some source> > > > > and the chart I give is that given by Pramod Mahajan himself.> > > > >> > > > > You and I are perhaps, the only astrologers who have publicly> > > > accepted> > > > > mistakes and wrong calls. No it was not irresponsibility, you> > are> > > > very> > > > > responsible and honest by nature. It was sheer oversight of the> > > > rashi chart.> > > > > which chart did you use anyway? Taurus or Gemini Lagna?> > > > >> > > > > Best wishes and warm regards,> > > > > Sanjay Rath> > > > > ------------------------------> > ---> > > > > Personal: <http://srath.com/blog/> WebPages ¡ü> > > > <http://srath.com/blog/>> > > > > Rath¡Çs Rhapsody> > > > > SJC WebPages: <http://.org/> Sri Jagannath Center> > ¡ü> > > > > <http://sjcerc.com/> SJCERC ¡ü <http://jiva.us/> JIVA> > > > > Publications: <http://thejyotishdigest.com/> The Jyotish Digest> > > ¡ü> > > > > <http://sagittariuspublications.com/> Sagittarius Publications> > > > > ------------------------------> > ----> > > > ---> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > _____> > > > >> > > > > sohamsa [sohamsa ]> > On> > > > Behalf Of> > > > > Narasimha P.V.R. Rao> > > > > Sunday, May 07, 2006 6:03 PM> > > > > ; vedic-> > astrology ;> > > > > sohamsa > > > > > Re: Pramod Mahajan> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Dear Manoj ji,> > > > >> > > > > I agree and that is why I used the adjective "irresponsible".> > > > >> > > > > However, it must be added that "erudite astrologers" have> > verified> > > > and> > > > > confirmed different lagnas in this case. Pt Sanjay Rath thinks> > > > that Gemini> > > > > lagna chart is correct and Sri KN Rao apparently thinks that> > > > Taurus lagna> > > > > chart is correct. Both seemingly said that the time is critical> > > > for him,> > > > > using two different charts. Though both made the correct call,> > > > obviously one> > > > > of them is (or possibly both of them are) using a wrong chart.> > > > >> > > > > And, on vedic astrology , a gentleman claimed that he> > > > personally> > > > > met an astrologer who was consulted by Pramod Mahajan.> > Apparently,> > > > the> > > > > latter read Pramod Mahajan's chart that was prepared at birth.> > > > According to> > > > > him, Mahajan has Sagittarius lagna! After Mahajan's passing> > away,> > > > this> > > > > gentleman contacted that astrologer again and confirmed that> > lagna> > > > is Sg.> > > > >> > > > > Though people may not like hearing this, I will make one honest> > > > observation> > > > > here. If a reasonably accurate chart is given, i.e. birthtime> > is> > > > in the> > > > > ball-park of the correct time and the error is 10 min or less,> > > > then we seem> > > > > to do a good job of rectifying the chart and making correct> > > > predictions.> > > > > Even students who have been leaning for a year or two seem to> > be> > > > able to> > > > > come to a consensus on the correct birthtime and make good> > > > predictions. I> > > > > see it practically in my own Sunday classes near Boston.> > > > >> > > > > However, if two or three totally different charts are given, we> > > > seem to be> > > > > more susceptible to making bad calls. Especially, if the> > correct> > > > chart is> > > > > hidden and 2 or 3 wrong charts are circulated, we do not seem> > to> > > > be able to> > > > > always identify that none of the circulated charts is correct> > and> > > > end up> > > > > picking up one of the charts.> > > > >> > > > > In some mathematical optimization problems, solution is> > possible> > > > only if you> > > > > start close to the "global" optimum. Otherwise, you may end up> > > > with a> > > > > "local" optimum and not reach the global optimum. I wonder if> > we> > > > have such> > > > > an issue.> > > > >> > > > > In any case, I did see in several cases (e.g. Vajpayee, Kerry,> > > > Sonia,> > > > > Mahajan, Karunanidhi) that very good astrologers end> > > > up "verifying" and> > > > > endorsing totally different charts and sometimes all of them> > are> > > > wrong too.> > > > >> > > > > On a personal note, I think there was an egoistic reason for my> > > > prediction> > > > > without a lot of ground work. On that day, I spent 15.5 hours> > > > meditating> > > > > with a Vedamantra, starting at sunrise and ending in the> > night. I> > > > was> > > > > feeling very blissful at the end. Still, I guess I was> > overcome by> > > > moha> > > > > (delusion) and thought that Pramod Mahajan's survival would be> > > > good for the> > > > > country. Moreover, I thought that my making a positive> > prediction> > > > after such> > > > > a "long sadhana" would help his case. Obviously, that was quite> > > > egoistic and> > > > > foolish of me. As long as that ego and sense of doership> > remains,> > > > no amount> > > > > of sadhana is fully useful. The goal of all sadhana is to merge> > > > one's> > > > > consciousness with the supreme consciousness and merge one's> > will> > > > power with> > > > > the divine will. Until that happens, I guess such stupid> > thoughts> > > > keep> > > > > coming. In any case, I wanted to make a positive prediction and> > > > spent 5> > > > > minutes with the chart given by Pt Sanjay Rath and saw that> > > > Jaimini's> > > > > longevity rules show a long life in the chart. Then I was happy> > > > and went> > > > > ahead. It is quite appropriate that a prediction based on> > subtle> > > > egotism> > > > > came back to teach a lesson or two in egotism.> > > > >> > > > > Bottomline is: I did concede that I was irresponsible. But, if> > you> > > > listen to> > > > > the free mp3 audio of our classes at Boston, you will see that> > we> > > > normally> > > > > do our astrology very responsibly and systematically. I can> > only> > > > try to> > > > > improve.> > > > >> > > > > May the light of Brahman shine within,> > > > > Narasimha> > > > > ------------------------------> > -> > > > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net> > > > > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org> > > > > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org> > > > > ------------------------------> > -> > > > >> > > > > > Dear PVR ji,> > > > > >> > > > > > An erudite astrologer like you should have verified Mithuna> > > > lagna> > > > > horoscope first before attempting to give out a prediction on> > > > that. Thats my> > > > > humble suggestion.> > > > > >> > > > > > regards,> > > > > >> > > > > > Manoj> > > > > >> > > > > > childofdevi <childofdevi@> wrote:> > > > > > Dear PVR-ji,> > > > > >> > > > > > Even though the prediction did not happen, your humility is> > very> > > > > > admirable especially considering how deeply knowledgeable you> > > > are. The> > > > > > light of Brahman has indeed shined through:-).> > > > > >> > > > > > With respects and best regards,> > > > > > -Vijay> > > > > >> > > > > > , "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao"> > > > <pvr@>> > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear Pradeep,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > I humbly accept my failure in this particular case. I went> > by> > > > > > Jaimini's "3 parts rule" for determining the longevity. With> > the> > > > > > Gemini lagna chart given by Pt Sanjay Rath, I get long life> > (72-> > > > 108> > > > > > years) with my understanding of the rule of 3 parts. Though> > he is> > > > > > running maraka dasas as per the natal chart as well as the> > annual> > > > > > chart, I went by the "long life" expectation and thought> > that he> > > > would> > > > > > survive the maraka dasas in annual chart until June 26. I> > humbly> > > > > > accept my failure.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > One must never take any astro predictions seriously.> > > > > > > > I for one would from now on never seek to consult an> > > > astrologer.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > I think we need to improve, but I am not as pessimistic.> > In my> > > > > > Sunday classes at Boston, we usually take up one chart in> > each> > > > class> > > > > > and spend a little more than an hour rectifying the birthtime> > > > based on> > > > > > known events and then make predictions in the next hour.> > There> > > > have> > > > > > been so many occasions when students confirmed a few months> > > > later that> > > > > > the prediction of the class came perfectly true for them,> > their> > > > > > relatives and friends.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > All of us make many correct predictions and some wrong ones> > > > too.> > > > > > Especially in celebrity charts, we sometimes don't spend> > enough> > > > time> > > > > > and still overenthusiastically (and irresponsibly) make> > > > predictions> > > > > > with data that may not be accurate or fully rectified. Such> > is> > > > the> > > > > > power of maya that celebrity charts are sometimes simply> > > > irresistible.> > > > > > Of course, in some cases, failure is not due to a wrong time,> > > > but due> > > > > > to over-reliance on a fallible technique.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Better to trust in God ... Chant His name!!> > > > > > >> > > > > > > I wouldn't contest that one. Chanting His name (or Her> > name) is> > > > > > anyday better than doing astrology. But then, both can be> > done.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > May the light of Brahman shine within,> > > > > > > Narasimha> > > > > > > --------------------------> > ----> > > > -> > > > > > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3):> > http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net> > > > > > > Free Jyotish software (Windows):> > http://www.VedicAstrologer.org> > > > > > > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website:> > http://www.SriJagannath.org> > > > > > > --------------------------> > ----

May 9, 2006

|| Hare Rama Krishna ||

Dear Guru-ji,

Pranam. Yes, I agree with you & Lakshmi-ji and I was incorrect. Because Siva is masculine it is Saamba. However, I disagree/do not understand yet, why Sanjay-ji, said that Saamba Siva is not about Amba but about Swayambhu.

Best wishes,

Sourav

=================================================================sohamsa , "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" <pvr wrote:>> Namaste,> > I just caught one mail in this thread. Sourav, you wrote:> > > Sandhi is between words. Sa- is a prefix and not a word.> > That is incorrect. Sandhi can happen between a prefix and a word too. Examples are sa+aayudha=saayudha, nih+aayudha=niraayudha, vi+atipaata=vyatipaata, vi+avasaaya=vyavasaaya etc.> > > But the correct word is Saamba not Saambaa.> > Nope, if you add sa in front of a feminine word that ends with long a ("aa") to describe a masculine entity, then the long a becomes short a ("a"). So "Saamba" means "one who is with Ambaa". Similarly, "saseeta" ending with a short a can be used to describe Rama who is with Seeta.> > Etymologically, Lakshmi's view on the word "Saamba" is correct.> > BTW, Sanjay, you asked:> > > > > > > which chart did you use anyway? Taurus or Gemini Lagna?> > I used Gemini lagna chart given by you. May be I missed some riders, but I got "long life" for that chart using the three parts rule. Moreover, Shoola dasa of Ge was running and it did not seem bad, except for the aspect of Moon and Venus. It does not satisfy any other marakatwa criteria. Or did I miss something? Why did Ge dasa bring such a bad death?> > May the light of Brahman shine within, > Narasimha> -------------------------------> Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net> Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org> Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org> -------------------------------> > > || Hare Rama Krishna ||> > > > Dear Lakshmi-ji,> > > > Namaskar. Sa+ Ambaa= Saambaa. But the> > correct word is Saamba not Saambaa. Please check dictionary like> > Monier-Williams. Besides, what does Sa+Ambaa mean ? Sa- is a prefix used> > in the sense of 'being with' or 'attended by'. Like Sa-putra = with> > son. Sandhi is between words. Sa- is a prefix and not a word. Anyway,> > M-W gives Saamba as 'attended by Ambaa'.> > > > Best wishes,> > > > Sourav> > > > =================================================================> > sohamsa , "B Lakshmi Ramesh"> > <b_lakshmi_ramesh@> wrote:> > >> > > Om Gurave Namah> > >> > > Dear Sourav,> > >> > > Namaste.> > >> > > Why Sa+amba can not be a proper sandhi? I think it is savarna> > > deergha sandhi. similar examples will be sa+adhikaarata => > > saadhikaarata etc> > >> > > Regards,> > > Lakshmi> > >> > >> > > sohamsa , "Sourav" souravc108@ wrote:> > > >> > > >> > > > || Hare Rama Krishna ||> > > >> > > > Dear Lakshmi-ji,> > > >> > > > namaskar. You are correct.> > > Saamba Siva> > > > means Siva attended by Ambaa. However, Saamba is not exactly sa +> > > Amba> > > > as far as sandhi goes. It means Ambaa-yuktah.> > > >> > > > Best wishes,> > > >> > > > Sourav> > > >> > > > ===============================================================> > > > sohamsa , "B Lakshmi Ramesh"> > > > <b_lakshmi_ramesh@> wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Om Gurave Namah> > > > >> > > > > Namaste Guruji,> > > > >> > > > > In your navamsa lecture you were pointing out the difference> > > between> > > > > Shiva and Samba Shiva.> > > > >> > > > > Sa+Amba Shiva...Shiva with Mother...is it the association of> > > Mother> > > > > that gave Samba Shiva a form (as distinguished from His usual> > > linga> > > > > roopa)?> > > > >> > > > > Regards,> > > > > Lakshmi> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > sohamsa , "Sanjay Rath" guruji@ wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > | om gurave namah |> > > > > > Dear Narasimha> > > > > >> > > > > > I have been seeing the chart of Sri Mahajan off and on for many> > > > > years in the> > > > > > 1990's from the time he was Defence Minister. There was a time> > > > > when he lost> > > > > > faith in astrologers (13 day BJP Government) and then I had to> > > > > give my> > > > > > predictions in writing to prove that astrology works (thats> > > > > personal chart> > > > > > of his) and not only that I also published India's chart in the> > > > > Times of> > > > > > Astrology etc.> > > > > >> > > > > > Point is, why will Pramod Mahajan lie to me? Everybody has got> > > > > some source> > > > > > and the chart I give is that given by Pramod Mahajan himself.> > > > > >> > > > > > You and I are perhaps, the only astrologers who have publicly> > > > > accepted> > > > > > mistakes and wrong calls. No it was not irresponsibility, you> > > are> > > > > very> > > > > > responsible and honest by nature. It was sheer oversight of the> > > > > rashi chart.> > > > > > which chart did you use anyway? Taurus or Gemini Lagna?> > > > > >> > > > > > Best wishes and warm regards,> > > > > > Sanjay Rath> > > > > > ------------------------------> > > ---> > > > > > Personal: <http://srath.com/blog/> WebPages ¡ü> > > > > <http://srath.com/blog/>> > > > > > Rath¡Çs Rhapsody> > > > > > SJC WebPages: <http://.org/> Sri Jagannath Center> > > ¡ü> > > > > > <http://sjcerc.com/> SJCERC ¡ü <http://jiva.us/> JIVA> > > > > > Publications: <http://thejyotishdigest.com/> The Jyotish Digest> > > > ¡ü> > > > > > <http://sagittariuspublications.com/> Sagittarius Publications> > > > > > ------------------------------> > > ----> > > > > ---> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > _____> > > > > >> > > > > > sohamsa [sohamsa ]> > > On> > > > > Behalf Of> > > > > > Narasimha P.V.R. Rao> > > > > > Sunday, May 07, 2006 6:03 PM> > > > > > ; vedic-> > > astrology ;> > > > > > sohamsa > > > > > > Re: Pramod Mahajan> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Manoj ji,> > > > > >> > > > > > I agree and that is why I used the adjective "irresponsible".> > > > > >> > > > > > However, it must be added that "erudite astrologers" have> > > verified> > > > > and> > > > > > confirmed different lagnas in this case. Pt Sanjay Rath thinks> > > > > that Gemini> > > > > > lagna chart is correct and Sri KN Rao apparently thinks that> > > > > Taurus lagna> > > > > > chart is correct. Both seemingly said that the time is critical> > > > > for him,> > > > > > using two different charts. Though both made the correct call,> > > > > obviously one> > > > > > of them is (or possibly both of them are) using a wrong chart.> > > > > >> > > > > > And, on vedic astrology , a gentleman claimed that he> > > > > personally> > > > > > met an astrologer who was consulted by Pramod Mahajan.> > > Apparently,> > > > > the> > > > > > latter read Pramod Mahajan's chart that was prepared at birth.> > > > > According to> > > > > > him, Mahajan has Sagittarius lagna! After Mahajan's passing> > > away,> > > > > this> > > > > > gentleman contacted that astrologer again and confirmed that> > > lagna> > > > > is Sg.> > > > > >> > > > > > Though people may not like hearing this, I will make one honest> > > > > observation> > > > > > here. If a reasonably accurate chart is given, i.e. birthtime> > > is> > > > > in the> > > > > > ball-park of the correct time and the error is 10 min or less,> > > > > then we seem> > > > > > to do a good job of rectifying the chart and making correct> > > > > predictions.> > > > > > Even students who have been leaning for a year or two seem to> > > be> > > > > able to> > > > > > come to a consensus on the correct birthtime and make good> > > > > predictions. I> > > > > > see it practically in my own Sunday classes near Boston.> > > > > >> > > > > > However, if two or three totally different charts are given, we> > > > > seem to be> > > > > > more susceptible to making bad calls. Especially, if the> > > correct> > > > > chart is> > > > > > hidden and 2 or 3 wrong charts are circulated, we do not seem> > > to> > > > > be able to> > > > > > always identify that none of the circulated charts is correct> > > and> > > > > end up> > > > > > picking up one of the charts.> > > > > >> > > > > > In some mathematical optimization problems, solution is> > > possible> > > > > only if you> > > > > > start close to the "global" optimum. Otherwise, you may end up> > > > > with a> > > > > > "local" optimum and not reach the global optimum. I wonder if> > > we> > > > > have such> > > > > > an issue.> > > > > >> > > > > > In any case, I did see in several cases (e.g. Vajpayee, Kerry,> > > > > Sonia,> > > > > > Mahajan, Karunanidhi) that very good astrologers end> > > > > up "verifying" and> > > > > > endorsing totally different charts and sometimes all of them> > > are> > > > > wrong too.> > > > > >> > > > > > On a personal note, I think there was an egoistic reason for my> > > > > prediction> > > > > > without a lot of ground work. On that day, I spent 15.5 hours> > > > > meditating> > > > > > with a Vedamantra, starting at sunrise and ending in the> > > night. I> > > > > was> > > > > > feeling very blissful at the end. Still, I guess I was> > > overcome by> > > > > moha> > > > > > (delusion) and thought that Pramod Mahajan's survival would be> > > > > good for the> > > > > > country. Moreover, I thought that my making a positive> > > prediction> > > > > after such> > > > > > a "long sadhana" would help his case. Obviously, that was quite> > > > > egoistic and> > > > > > foolish of me. As long as that ego and sense of doership> > > remains,> > > > > no amount> > > > > > of sadhana is fully useful. The goal of all sadhana is to merge> > > > > one's> > > > > > consciousness with the supreme consciousness and merge one's> > > will> > > > > power with> > > > > > the divine will. Until that happens, I guess such stupid> > > thoughts> > > > > keep> > > > > > coming. In any case, I wanted to make a positive prediction and> > > > > spent 5> > > > > > minutes with the chart given by Pt Sanjay Rath and saw that> > > > > Jaimini's> > > > > > longevity rules show a long life in the chart. Then I was happy> > > > > and went> > > > > > ahead. It is quite appropriate that a prediction based on> > > subtle> > > > > egotism> > > > > > came back to teach a lesson or two in egotism.> > > > > >> > > > > > Bottomline is: I did concede that I was irresponsible. But, if> > > you> > > > > listen to> > > > > > the free mp3 audio of our classes at Boston, you will see that> > > we> > > > > normally> > > > > > do our astrology very responsibly and systematically. I can> > > only> > > > > try to> > > > > > improve.> > > > > >> > > > > > May the light of Brahman shine within,> > > > > > Narasimha> > > > > > ------------------------------> > > -> > > > > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net> > > > > > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org> > > > > > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org> > > > > > ------------------------------> > > -> > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear PVR ji,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > An erudite astrologer like you should have verified Mithuna> > > > > lagna> > > > > > horoscope first before attempting to give out a prediction on> > > > > that. Thats my> > > > > > humble suggestion.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > regards,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Manoj> > > > > > >> > > > > > > childofdevi <childofdevi@> wrote:> > > > > > > Dear PVR-ji,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Even though the prediction did not happen, your humility is> > > very> > > > > > > admirable especially considering how deeply knowledgeable you> > > > > are. The> > > > > > > light of Brahman has indeed shined through:-).> > > > > > >> > > > > > > With respects and best regards,> > > > > > > -Vijay> > > > > > >> > > > > > > , "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao"> > > > > <pvr@>> > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Dear Pradeep,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > I humbly accept my failure in this particular case. I went> > > by> > > > > > > Jaimini's "3 parts rule" for determining the longevity. With> > > the> > > > > > > Gemini lagna chart given by Pt Sanjay Rath, I get long life> > > (72-> > > > > 108> > > > > > > years) with my understanding of the rule of 3 parts. Though> > > he is> > > > > > > running maraka dasas as per the natal chart as well as the> > > annual> > > > > > > chart, I went by the "long life" expectation and thought> > > that he> > > > > would> > > > > > > survive the maraka dasas in annual chart until June 26. I> > > humbly> > > > > > > accept my failure.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > One must never take any astro predictions seriously.> > > > > > > > > I for one would from now on never seek to consult an> > > > > astrologer.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > I think we need to improve, but I am not as pessimistic.> > > In my> > > > > > > Sunday classes at Boston, we usually take up one chart in> > > each> > > > > class> > > > > > > and spend a little more than an hour rectifying the birthtime> > > > > based on> > > > > > > known events and then make predictions in the next hour.> > > There> > > > > have> > > > > > > been so many occasions when students confirmed a few months> > > > > later that> > > > > > > the prediction of the class came perfectly true for them,> > > their> > > > > > > relatives and friends.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > All of us make many correct predictions and some wrong ones> > > > > too.> > > > > > > Especially in celebrity charts, we sometimes don't spend> > > enough> > > > > time> > > > > > > and still overenthusiastically (and irresponsibly) make> > > > > predictions> > > > > > > with data that may not be accurate or fully rectified. Such> > > is> > > > > the> > > > > > > power of maya that celebrity charts are sometimes simply> > > > > irresistible.> > > > > > > Of course, in some cases, failure is not due to a wrong time,> > > > > but due> > > > > > > to over-reliance on a fallible technique.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Better to trust in God ... Chant His name!!> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > I wouldn't contest that one. Chanting His name (or Her> > > name) is> > > > > > > anyday better than doing astrology. But then, both can be> > > done.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > May the light of Brahman shine within,> > > > > > > > Narasimha> > > > > > > > --------------------------> > > ----> > > > > -> > > > > > > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3):> > > http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net> > > > > > > > Free Jyotish software (Windows):> > > http://www.VedicAstrologer.org> > > > > > > > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website:> > > http://www.SriJagannath.org> > > > > > > > --------------------------> > > ---->

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| om gurave namah |Dear Narasimha, Lakshmi

Excellent points about 'Saamba' and the point is well accepted now. The question I was raising was not about the sanskrit part, which is definitely not disputed - Sarbani also has given a fine opinion to me the other day. The point I was hoping would bediscussed slightly more was the concept of Advaita. What is this philosophy and what is the relevance of 'saamba' to this? Hoping to hear some great thoughts from all of you.

In the Gemini Lagna for Pramod bhai,

+--------------+| |Ra | |As || | | | || | | | || | | | || | | | ||-----------+-----------------------+-----------|| | |Md Gk || | | || | | || | | || | | ||-----------| Rasi |-----------||HL | |Sa || | | || | | || | | || | | ||-----------+-----------------------+-----------||Ju GL |Ma |Su Ke |Mo Me || | | |Ve AL || | | | || | | | || | | | |+--------------+

+--------------+| | |Ju |HL GL || | | | || | | | || | | | || | | | ||-----------+-----------------------+-----------||Su Ve | |Mo Sa ||Md | |Ra || | | || | | || | Navamsa | ||-----------| |-----------||Ke | D-9 | || | | || | | || | | || | | ||-----------+-----------------------+-----------||As |Ma Gk |AL |Me || | | | || | | | || | | | || | | | |+--------------+

Mahajan, Pramod

October 30, 1948Time: 9:21:00 pmTime Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)Place: 78 E 28' 00", 17 N 23' 00" Hyderabad, India

Lunar Yr-Mo: Sarva-dhari - AswayujaTithi: Krishna Chaturdasi (Ve) (79.25% left)Vedic Weekday: Saturday (Sa)Nakshatra: Hastha (Mo) (6.31% left)Yoga: Vishkambha (Sa) (51.29% left)Karana: Vishti (Sa) (58.50% left)1. Method of 3 lords gives Madhya Ayus as Saturn is ill placed from both lagna and arudha while Mercury & Jupiter are strong. There is no kakshya hrasa or vriddhi in this as although Mercury could have given kakshya hrasa, it has the conjunction of the chaturdasi (shiva) dosha.

2. Method of 3 pairs is as follows:

a. lagna + HL = alpa ayus

b. lagna lord + 8th lord = long life

c. Moon + Saturn = long life . Note that the Moon has serious Chaturdasi dosha i.e. both Moon & Venus become very very malefic and at the vital time Jupiter can turn his face away. This is a grave dosha that can harm longevity just like amavasya dosha that can completely destroy fortune and longevity.

Prima facie we get long life in the short group structure even if we are going to ignore the Moon.

Long group structure is 40, 80 & 120.................... 10 year/sign

Middle group structure is 36, 72 and 108 .............9 year/sign

Short group structure is 32, 64 and 96...................8 year/sign

3. Method of the three Moons = Middle life - very specifically danger is expected in Sat/Rahu period (see the navamsa with the Moon, longevity indicator in the 8th house afflicted by Saturn and Rahu.

In my written predictions to him, this dangerous period was clearly indicated. However, I failed to see that it would be murder by his own brother! I always thought it would be a breach of security as Mars also indicates security people and Rahu indicates dangerous criminals.

4. If you look at the panchanga, the pointers are also very clear. The nakshatra lord Moon is in Chaturdasi dosha and this can be dangerous for longevity. The vaara lord Saturn is badly placed for long life indications being in 12th from AL and 3rd from lagna.

5. When people said that he would have problems with seniors, I told him that during Saturn dasa his Rajyoga would not be disturbed as the elders like Vajpayeeji and Advaniji will like him very much - Saturn is the lord of Vishakumbha yoga. Similarly when he was very worried after the 13 day govt, I had guaranteed him the return of BJP due to the fact that Saturn is also the lord of the Karana. So Saturn dasa was his great Rajyoga period.

6. Now coming to Shula dasa - yes the dasa was of Gemini and you always underestimate the power of the Rudra yoga caused by Venus + Moon or Mars + Moon. So we should never undrestimate the power of the Rudra yoga. The protectors Jupiter and AK Mercury also aspect the lagna and can protect. So, in this battle between Mercury & Jupiter on one side protecting him and Moon and Venus on the other destroying him, Jupiter turns away due to chaturdasi dosha (shiva dosha) ad Mercury alone cannot battle a debilitated Venus conjunction and the direct contact of the K14 Moon. The question is when will Jupiter turn away?

However, I agree with you that making a death prediction would be very very difficult unless after the attack event as the forces are very delicately and equally balanced.

Shoola dasa (troubles and death):

Ge MD: 2002-10-31 - 2011-11-01

Antardasas in this MD:

Sg: 2002-10-31 - 2003-07-31 Cp: 2003-07-31 - 2004-04-28 Aq: 2004-04-28 - 2005-01-27 Pi: 2005-01-27 - 2005-10-31 Ar: 2005-10-31 - 2006-07-31 Ta: 2006-07-31 - 2007-04-28 Ge: 2007-04-28 - 2008-01-28 Cn: 2008-01-28 - 2008-10-31 Le: 2008-10-31 - 2009-07-31 Vi: 2009-07-31 - 2010-04-28 Li: 2010-04-28 - 2011-01-28 Sc: 2011-01-28 - 2011-11-01

The only time that Jupiter would turn away would be the antardasa of Rahu/Aries, and it is then that the evil struck.

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sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of Narasimha P.V.R. RaoTuesday, May 09, 2006 5:02 AMsohamsa Subject: Sanskrit and Pramod Mahajan

Namaste,

I just caught one mail in this thread. Sourav, you wrote:

> Sandhi is between words. Sa- is a prefix and not a word.

That is incorrect. Sandhi can happen between a prefix and a word too. Examples are sa+aayudha=saayudha, nih+aayudha=niraayudha, vi+atipaata=vyatipaata, vi+avasaaya=vyavasaaya etc.

> But the correct word is Saamba not Saambaa.

Nope, if you add sa in front of a feminine word that ends with long a ("aa") to describe a masculine entity, then the long a becomes short a ("a"). So "Saamba" means "one who is with Ambaa". Similarly, "saseeta" ending with a short a can be used to describe Rama who is with Seeta.

Etymologically, Lakshmi's view on the word "Saamba" is correct.

BTW, Sanjay, you asked:

> > > > > which chart did you use anyway? Taurus or Gemini Lagna?

I used Gemini lagna chart given by you. May be I missed some riders, but I got "long life" for that chart using the three parts rule. Moreover, Shoola dasa of Ge was running and it did not seem bad, except for the aspect of Moon and Venus. It does not satisfy any other marakatwa criteria. Or did I miss something? Why did Ge dasa bring such a bad death?

May the light of Brahman shine within,

Narasimha

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> || Hare Rama Krishna ||> > Dear Lakshmi-ji,> > Namaskar. Sa+ Ambaa= Saambaa. But the> correct word is Saamba not Saambaa. Please check dictionary like> Monier-Williams. Besides, what does Sa+Ambaa mean ? Sa- is a prefix used> in the sense of 'being with' or 'attended by'. Like Sa-putra = with> son. Sandhi is between words. Sa- is a prefix and not a word. Anyway,> M-W gives Saamba as 'attended by Ambaa'.> > Best wishes,> > Sourav> > =================================================================> sohamsa , "B Lakshmi Ramesh"> <b_lakshmi_ramesh@> wrote:> >> > Om Gurave Namah> >> > Dear Sourav,> >> > Namaste.> >> > Why Sa+amba can not be a proper sandhi? I think it is savarna> > deergha sandhi. similar examples will be sa+adhikaarata => > saadhikaarata etc> >> > Regards,> > Lakshmi> >> >> > sohamsa , "Sourav" souravc108@ wrote:> > >> > >> > > || Hare Rama Krishna ||> > >> > > Dear Lakshmi-ji,> > >> > > namaskar. You are correct.> > Saamba Siva> > > means Siva attended by Ambaa. However, Saamba is not exactly sa +> > Amba> > > as far as sandhi goes. It means Ambaa-yuktah.> > >> > > Best wishes,> > >> > > Sourav> > >> > > ===============================================================> > > sohamsa , "B Lakshmi Ramesh"> > > <b_lakshmi_ramesh@> wrote:> > > >> > > > Om Gurave Namah> > > >> > > > Namaste Guruji,> > > >> > > > In your navamsa lecture you were pointing out the difference> > between> > > > Shiva and Samba Shiva.> > > >> > > > Sa+Amba Shiva...Shiva with Mother...is it the association of> > Mother> > > > that gave Samba Shiva a form (as distinguished from His usual> > linga> > > > roopa)?> > > >> > > > Regards,> > > > Lakshmi> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > sohamsa , "Sanjay Rath" guruji@ wrote:> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > | om gurave namah |> > > > > Dear Narasimha> > > > >> > > > > I have been seeing the chart of Sri Mahajan off and on for many> > > > years in the> > > > > 1990's from the time he was Defence Minister. There was a time> > > > when he lost> > > > > faith in astrologers (13 day BJP Government) and then I had to> > > > give my> > > > > predictions in writing to prove that astrology works (thats> > > > personal chart> > > > > of his) and not only that I also published India's chart in the> > > > Times of> > > > > Astrology etc.> > > > >> > > > > Point is, why will Pramod Mahajan lie to me? Everybody has got> > > > some source> > > > > and the chart I give is that given by Pramod Mahajan himself.> > > > >> > > > > You and I are perhaps, the only astrologers who have publicly> > > > accepted> > > > > mistakes and wrong calls. No it was not irresponsibility, you> > are> > > > very> > > > > responsible and honest by nature. It was sheer oversight of the> > > > rashi chart.> > > > > which chart did you use anyway? Taurus or Gemini Lagna?> > > > >> > > > > Best wishes and warm regards,> > > > > Sanjay Rath> > > > > ------------------------------> > ---> > > > > Personal: <http://srath.com/blog/> WebPages Â¡Ã¼> > > > <http://srath.com/blog/>> > > > > RathÂ¡Ã‡s Rhapsody> > > > > SJC WebPages: <http://.org/> Sri Jagannath Center> > Â¡Ã¼> > > > > <http://sjcerc.com/> SJCERC Â¡Ã¼ <http://jiva.us/> JIVA> > > > > Publications: <http://thejyotishdigest.com/> The Jyotish Digest> > > Â¡Ã¼> > > > > <http://sagittariuspublications.com/> Sagittarius Publications> > > > > ------------------------------> > ----> > > > ---> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > _____> > > > >> > > > > sohamsa [sohamsa ]> > On> > > > Behalf Of> > > > > Narasimha P.V.R. Rao> > > > > Sunday, May 07, 2006 6:03 PM> > > > > ; vedic-> > astrology ;> > > > > sohamsa > > > > > Re: Pramod Mahajan> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Dear Manoj ji,> > > > >> > > > > I agree and that is why I used the adjective "irresponsible".> > > > >> > > > > However, it must be added that "erudite astrologers" have> > verified> > > > and> > > > > confirmed different lagnas in this case. Pt Sanjay Rath thinks> > > > that Gemini> > > > > lagna chart is correct and Sri KN Rao apparently thinks that> > > > Taurus lagna> > > > > chart is correct. Both seemingly said that the time is critical> > > > for him,> > > > > using two different charts. Though both made the correct call,> > > > obviously one> > > > > of them is (or possibly both of them are) using a wrong chart.> > > > >> > > > > And, on vedic astrology , a gentleman claimed that he> > > > personally> > > > > met an astrologer who was consulted by Pramod Mahajan.> > Apparently,> > > > the> > > > > latter read Pramod Mahajan's chart that was prepared at birth.> > > > According to> > > > > him, Mahajan has Sagittarius lagna! After Mahajan's passing> > away,> > > > this> > > > > gentleman contacted that astrologer again and confirmed that> > lagna> > > > is Sg.> > > > >> > > > > Though people may not like hearing this, I will make one honest> > > > observation> > > > > here. If a reasonably accurate chart is given, i.e. birthtime> > is> > > > in the> > > > > ball-park of the correct time and the error is 10 min or less,> > > > then we seem> > > > > to do a good job of rectifying the chart and making correct> > > > predictions.> > > > > Even students who have been leaning for a year or two seem to> > be> > > > able to> > > > > come to a consensus on the correct birthtime and make good> > > > predictions. I> > > > > see it practically in my own Sunday classes near Boston.> > > > >> > > > > However, if two or three totally different charts are given, we> > > > seem to be> > > > > more susceptible to making bad calls. Especially, if the> > correct> > > > chart is> > > > > hidden and 2 or 3 wrong charts are circulated, we do not seem> > to> > > > be able to> > > > > always identify that none of the circulated charts is correct> > and> > > > end up> > > > > picking up one of the charts.> > > > >> > > > > In some mathematical optimization problems, solution is> > possible> > > > only if you> > > > > start close to the "global" optimum. Otherwise, you may end up> > > > with a> > > > > "local" optimum and not reach the global optimum. I wonder if> > we> > > > have such> > > > > an issue.> > > > >> > > > > In any case, I did see in several cases (e.g. Vajpayee, Kerry,> > > > Sonia,> > > > > Mahajan, Karunanidhi) that very good astrologers end> > > > up "verifying" and> > > > > endorsing totally different charts and sometimes all of them> > are> > > > wrong too.> > > > >> > > > > On a personal note, I think there was an egoistic reason for my> > > > prediction> > > > > without a lot of ground work. On that day, I spent 15.5 hours> > > > meditating> > > > > with a Vedamantra, starting at sunrise and ending in the> > night. I> > > > was> > > > > feeling very blissful at the end. Still, I guess I was> > overcome by> > > > moha> > > > > (delusion) and thought that Pramod Mahajan's survival would be> > > > good for the> > > > > country. Moreover, I thought that my making a positive> > prediction> > > > after such> > > > > a "long sadhana" would help his case. Obviously, that was quite> > > > egoistic and> > > > > foolish of me. As long as that ego and sense of doership> > remains,> > > > no amount> > > > > of sadhana is fully useful. The goal of all sadhana is to merge> > > > one's> > > > > consciousness with the supreme consciousness and merge one's> > will> > > > power with> > > > > the divine will. Until that happens, I guess such stupid> > thoughts> > > > keep> > > > > coming. In any case, I wanted to make a positive prediction and> > > > spent 5> > > > > minutes with the chart given by Pt Sanjay Rath and saw that> > > > Jaimini's> > > > > longevity rules show a long life in the chart. Then I was happy> > > > and went> > > > > ahead. It is quite appropriate that a prediction based on> > subtle> > > > egotism> > > > > came back to teach a lesson or two in egotism.> > > > >> > > > > Bottomline is: I did concede that I was irresponsible. But, if> > you> > > > listen to> > > > > the free mp3 audio of our classes at Boston, you will see that> > we> > > > normally> > > > > do our astrology very responsibly and systematically. I can> > only> > > > try to> > > > > improve.> > > > >> > > > > May the light of Brahman shine within,> > > > > Narasimha> > > > > ------------------------------> > -> > > > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net> > > > > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org> > > > > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org> > > > > ------------------------------> > -> > > > >> > > > > > Dear PVR ji,> > > > > >> > > > > > An erudite astrologer like you should have verified Mithuna> > > > lagna> > > > > horoscope first before attempting to give out a prediction on> > > > that. Thats my> > > > > humble suggestion.> > > > > >> > > > > > regards,> > > > > >> > > > > > Manoj> > > > > >> > > > > > childofdevi <childofdevi@> wrote:> > > > > > Dear PVR-ji,> > > > > >> > > > > > Even though the prediction did not happen, your humility is> > very> > > > > > admirable especially considering how deeply knowledgeable you> > > > are. The> > > > > > light of Brahman has indeed shined through:-).> > > > > >> > > > > > With respects and best regards,> > > > > > -Vijay> > > > > >> > > > > > , "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao"> > > > <pvr@>> > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear Pradeep,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > I humbly accept my failure in this particular case. I went> > by> > > > > > Jaimini's "3 parts rule" for determining the longevity. With> > the> > > > > > Gemini lagna chart given by Pt Sanjay Rath, I get long life> > (72-> > > > 108> > > > > > years) with my understanding of the rule of 3 parts. Though> > he is> > > > > > running maraka dasas as per the natal chart as well as the> > annual> > > > > > chart, I went by the "long life" expectation and thought> > that he> > > > would> > > > > > survive the maraka dasas in annual chart until June 26. I> > humbly> > > > > > accept my failure.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > One must never take any astro predictions seriously.> > > > > > > > I for one would from now on never seek to consult an> > > > astrologer.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > I think we need to improve, but I am not as pessimistic.> > In my> > > > > > Sunday classes at Boston, we usually take up one chart in> > each> > > > class> > > > > > and spend a little more than an hour rectifying the birthtime> > > > based on> > > > > > known events and then make predictions in the next hour.> > There> > > > have> > > > > > been so many occasions when students confirmed a few months> > > > later that> > > > > > the prediction of the class came perfectly true for them,> > their> > > > > > relatives and friends.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > All of us make many correct predictions and some wrong ones> > > > too.> > > > > > Especially in celebrity charts, we sometimes don't spend> > enough> > > > time> > > > > > and still overenthusiastically (and irresponsibly) make> > > > predictions> > > > > > with data that may not be accurate or fully rectified. Such> > is> > > > the> > > > > > power of maya that celebrity charts are sometimes simply> > > > irresistible.> > > > > > Of course, in some cases, failure is not due to a wrong time,> > > > but due> > > > > > to over-reliance on a fallible technique.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Better to trust in God ... Chant His name!!> > > > > > >> > > > > > > I wouldn't contest that one. Chanting His name (or Her> > name) is> > > > > > anyday better than doing astrology. But then, both can be> > done.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > May the light of Brahman shine within,> > > > > > > Narasimha> > > > > > > --------------------------> > ----> > > > -> > > > > > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3):> > http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net> > > > > > > Free Jyotish software (Windows):> > http://www.VedicAstrologer.org> > > > > > > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website:> > http://www.SriJagannath.org> > > > > > > --------------------------> > ----

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|| Hare Rama Krishna ||

Dear Sanjay-ji,

Pranam. While Visti-ji/Sundeep and others were discussing whether longevity should be analysed in apamrityu cases, I tried to post my calculations (twice) on ayurdayas. For some reason didn't post that message and there was some problem going on with server, I suppose.

I did a calculation based on the process delineated in Uttara Kalamrita (Pt. Sashtri translation) and I arrived at an answer 60.1 years (off by a couple of years from acutal age). Further deductions were suggested by Pt. Sashtri and I am unable to find the references. In any case he gave a good exposition on Ayurdaya principles in his book Scientific Hindu Astrology, and I believe ayurdaya principles (where each grahas contribution are taken into account) are more accurate that approximations based on Method of pairs and thumb rules like Budh and Guru being in strength in Kendra, and other rules. You have already hinted at 'Guru will look away during certain antar dasas', so there are possibilties that such thumb rules may not work.

(a) Would you kindly comment on which ayurdaya principle is best in such matters ?

(b) Since Aayus can be altered by personal will and also by present life's karma, are such estimations useful always ?

Thank you for sharing. Pranam.

Best wishes,

Sourav

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sohamsa , "Sanjay Rath" <guruji wrote:>> > > > | om gurave namah |> Dear Narasimha, Lakshmi> > Excellent points about 'Saamba' and the point is well accepted now. The question I was raising was not about the sanskrit part, which is definitely not disputed - Sarbani also has given a fine opinion to me the other day. The point I was hoping would bediscussed slightly more was the concept of Advaita. What is this philosophy and what is the relevance of 'saamba' to this? Hoping to hear some great thoughts from all of you.> > In the Gemini Lagna for Pramod bhai,> > +--------------+> | |Ra | |As |> | | | | |> | | | | |> | | | | |> | | | | |> |-----------+-----------------------+-----------|> | | |Md Gk |> | | | |> | | | |> | | | |> | | | |> |-----------| Rasi |-----------|> |HL | |Sa |> | | | |> | | | |> | | | |> | | | |> |-----------+-----------------------+-----------|> |Ju GL |Ma |Su Ke |Mo Me |> | | | |Ve AL |> | | | | |> | | | | |> | | | | |> +--------------+> +--------------+> | | |Ju |HL GL |> | | | | |> | | | | |> | | | | |> | | | | |> |-----------+-----------------------+-----------|> |Su Ve | |Mo Sa |> |Md | |Ra |> | | | |> | | | |> | | Navamsa | |> |-----------| |-----------|> |Ke | D-9 | |> | | | |> | | | |> | | | |> | | | |> |-----------+-----------------------+-----------|> |As |Ma Gk |AL |Me |> | | | | |> | | | | |> | | | | |> | | | | |> +--------------+> Mahajan, Pramod> October 30, 1948> Time: 9:21:00 pm> Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)> Place: 78 E 28' 00", 17 N 23' 00"> Hyderabad, India> Lunar Yr-Mo: Sarva-dhari - Aswayuja> Tithi: Krishna Chaturdasi (Ve) (79.25% left)> Vedic Weekday: Saturday (Sa)> Nakshatra: Hastha (Mo) (6.31% left)> Yoga: Vishkambha (Sa) (51.29% left)> Karana: Vishti (Sa) (58.50% left)> > 1. Method of 3 lords gives Madhya Ayus as Saturn is ill placed from both lagna and arudha while Mercury & Jupiter are strong. There is no kakshya hrasa or vriddhi in this as although Mercury could have given kakshya hrasa, it has the conjunction of the chaturdasi (shiva) dosha.> > 2. Method of 3 pairs is as follows: > a. lagna + HL = alpa ayus> b. lagna lord + 8th lord = long life> c. Moon + Saturn = long life . Note that the Moon has serious Chaturdasi dosha i.e. both Moon & Venus become very very malefic and at the vital time Jupiter can turn his face away. This is a grave dosha that can harm longevity just like amavasya dosha that can completely destroy fortune and longevity.> Prima facie we get long life in the short group structure even if we are going to ignore the Moon.> Long group structure is 40, 80 & 120.................... 10 year/sign> Middle group structure is 36, 72 and 108 .............9 year/sign> Short group structure is 32, 64 and 96...................8 year/sign> > 3. Method of the three Moons = Middle life - very specifically danger is expected in Sat/Rahu period (see the navamsa with the Moon, longevity indicator in the 8th house afflicted by Saturn and Rahu.> > In my written predictions to him, this dangerous period was clearly indicated. However, I failed to see that it would be murder by his own brother! I always thought it would be a breach of security as Mars also indicates security people and Rahu indicates dangerous criminals.> > 4. If you look at the panchanga, the pointers are also very clear. The nakshatra lord Moon is in Chaturdasi dosha and this can be dangerous for longevity. The vaara lord Saturn is badly placed for long life indications being in 12th from AL and 3rd from lagna.> > 5. When people said that he would have problems with seniors, I told him that during Saturn dasa his Rajyoga would not be disturbed as the elders like Vajpayeeji and Advaniji will like him very much - Saturn is the lord of Vishakumbha yoga. Similarly when he was very worried after the 13 day govt, I had guaranteed him the return of BJP due to the fact that Saturn is also the lord of the Karana. So Saturn dasa was his great Rajyoga period.> > 6. Now coming to Shula dasa - yes the dasa was of Gemini and you always underestimate the power of the Rudra yoga caused by Venus + Moon or Mars + Moon. So we should never undrestimate the power of the Rudra yoga. The protectors Jupiter and AK Mercury also aspect the lagna and can protect. So, in this battle between Mercury & Jupiter on one side protecting him and Moon and Venus on the other destroying him, Jupiter turns away due to chaturdasi dosha (shiva dosha) ad Mercury alone cannot battle a debilitated Venus conjunction and the direct contact of the K14 Moon. The question is when will Jupiter turn away?> > However, I agree with you that making a death prediction would be very very difficult unless after the attack event as the forces are very delicately and equally balanced.> > Shoola dasa (troubles and death):> Ge MD: 2002-10-31 - 2011-11-01> Antardasas in this MD:> Sg: 2002-10-31 - 2003-07-31> Cp: 2003-07-31 - 2004-04-28> Aq: 2004-04-28 - 2005-01-27> Pi: 2005-01-27 - 2005-10-31> Ar: 2005-10-31 - 2006-07-31> Ta: 2006-07-31 - 2007-04-28> Ge: 2007-04-28 - 2008-01-28> Cn: 2008-01-28 - 2008-10-31> Le: 2008-10-31 - 2009-07-31> Vi: 2009-07-31 - 2010-04-28> Li: 2010-04-28 - 2011-01-28> Sc: 2011-01-28 - 2011-11-01> > The only time that Jupiter would turn away would be the antardasa of Rahu/Aries, and it is then that the evil struck.> > Best wishes and warm regards,> Sanjay Rath> > Personal: <http://srath.com/blog/> WebPages â— <http://srath.com/blog/> Rathâ€™s Rhapsody > SJC WebPages: <http://.org/> Sri Jagannath Center â— <http://sjcerc.com/> SJCERC â— <http://jiva.us/> JIVA> Publications: <http://thejyotishdigest.com/> The Jyotish Digest â— <http://sagittariuspublications.com/> Sagittarius Publications> ----> > > _____ > > sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of Narasimha P.V.R. Rao> Tuesday, May 09, 2006 5:02 AM> sohamsa > Sanskrit and Pramod Mahajan> > > Namaste,> > I just caught one mail in this thread. Sourav, you wrote:> > > Sandhi is between words. Sa- is a prefix and not a word.> > That is incorrect. Sandhi can happen between a prefix and a word too. Examples are sa+aayudha=saayudha, nih+aayudha=niraayudha, vi+atipaata=vyatipaata, vi+avasaaya=vyavasaaya etc.> > > But the correct word is Saamba not Saambaa.> > Nope, if you add sa in front of a feminine word that ends with long a ("aa") to describe a masculine entity, then the long a becomes short a ("a"). So "Saamba" means "one who is with Ambaa". Similarly, "saseeta" ending with a short a can be used to describe Rama who is with Seeta.> > Etymologically, Lakshmi's view on the word "Saamba" is correct.> > BTW, Sanjay, you asked:> > > > > > > which chart did you use anyway? Taurus or Gemini Lagna?> > I used Gemini lagna chart given by you. May be I missed some riders, but I got "long life" for that chart using the three parts rule. Moreover, Shoola dasa of Ge was running and it did not seem bad, except for the aspect of Moon and Venus. It does not satisfy any other marakatwa criteria. Or did I miss something? Why did Ge dasa bring such a bad death?> > May the light of Brahman shine within, > Narasimha> -------------------------------> Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net> Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org> Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org> -------------------------------> > > || Hare Rama Krishna ||> > > > Dear Lakshmi-ji,> > > > Namaskar. Sa+ Ambaa= Saambaa. But the> > correct word is Saamba not Saambaa. Please check dictionary like> > Monier-Williams. Besides, what does Sa+Ambaa mean ? Sa- is a prefix used> > in the sense of 'being with' or 'attended by'. Like Sa-putra = with> > son. Sandhi is between words. Sa- is a prefix and not a word. Anyway,> > M-W gives Saamba as 'attended by Ambaa'.> > > > Best wishes,> > > > Sourav> > > > =================================================================> > sohamsa , "B Lakshmi Ramesh"> > <b_lakshmi_ramesh@> wrote:> > >> > > Om Gurave Namah> > >> > > Dear Sourav,> > >> > > Namaste.> > >> > > Why Sa+amba can not be a proper sandhi? I think it is savarna> > > deergha sandhi. similar examples will be sa+adhikaarata => > > saadhikaarata etc> > >> > > Regards,> > > Lakshmi> > >> > >> > > sohamsa , "Sourav" souravc108@ wrote:> > > >> > > >> > > > || Hare Rama Krishna ||> > > >> > > > Dear Lakshmi-ji,> > > >> > > > namaskar. You are correct.> > > Saamba Siva> > > > means Siva attended by Ambaa. However, Saamba is not exactly sa +> > > Amba> > > > as far as sandhi goes. It means Ambaa-yuktah.> > > >> > > > Best wishes,> > > >> > > > Sourav> > > >> > > > ===============================================================> > > > sohamsa , "B Lakshmi Ramesh"> > > > <b_lakshmi_ramesh@> wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Om Gurave Namah> > > > >> > > > > Namaste Guruji,> > > > >> > > > > In your navamsa lecture you were pointing out the difference> > > between> > > > > Shiva and Samba Shiva.> > > > >> > > > > Sa+Amba Shiva...Shiva with Mother...is it the association of> > > Mother> > > > > that gave Samba Shiva a form (as distinguished from His usual> > > linga> > > > > roopa)?> > > > >> > > > > Regards,> > > > > Lakshmi> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > sohamsa , "Sanjay Rath" guruji@ wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > | om gurave namah |> > > > > > Dear Narasimha> > > > > >> > > > > > I have been seeing the chart of Sri Mahajan off and on for many> > > > > years in the> > > > > > 1990's from the time he was Defence Minister. There was a time> > > > > when he lost> > > > > > faith in astrologers (13 day BJP Government) and then I had to> > > > > give my> > > > > > predictions in writing to prove that astrology works (thats> > > > > personal chart> > > > > > of his) and not only that I also published India's chart in the> > > > > Times of> > > > > > Astrology etc.> > > > > >> > > > > > Point is, why will Pramod Mahajan lie to me? Everybody has got> > > > > some source> > > > > > and the chart I give is that given by Pramod Mahajan himself.> > > > > >> > > > > > You and I are perhaps, the only astrologers who have publicly> > > > > accepted> > > > > > mistakes and wrong calls. No it was not irresponsibility, you> > > are> > > > > very> > > > > > responsible and honest by nature. It was sheer oversight of the> > > > > rashi chart.> > > > > > which chart did you use anyway? Taurus or Gemini Lagna?> > > > > >> > > > > > Best wishes and warm regards,> > > > > > Sanjay Rath> > > > > > ------------------------------> > > ---> > > > > > Personal: <http://srath.com/blog/> WebPages Â¡Ã¼> > > > > <http://srath.com/blog/>> > > > > > RathÂ¡Ã‡s Rhapsody> > > > > > SJC WebPages: <http://.org/> Sri Jagannath Center> > > Â¡Ã¼> > > > > > <http://sjcerc.com/> SJCERC Â¡Ã¼ <http://jiva.us/> JIVA> > > > > > Publications: <http://thejyotishdigest.com/> The Jyotish Digest> > > > Â¡Ã¼> > > > > > <http://sagittariuspublications.com/> Sagittarius Publications> > > > > > ------------------------------> > > ----> > > > > ---> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > _____> > > > > >> > > > > > sohamsa [sohamsa ]> > > On> > > > > Behalf Of> > > > > > Narasimha P.V.R. Rao> > > > > > Sunday, May 07, 2006 6:03 PM> > > > > > ; vedic-> > > astrology ;> > > > > > sohamsa > > > > > > Re: Pramod Mahajan> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Manoj ji,> > > > > >> > > > > > I agree and that is why I used the adjective "irresponsible".> > > > > >> > > > > > However, it must be added that "erudite astrologers" have> > > verified> > > > > and> > > > > > confirmed different lagnas in this case. Pt Sanjay Rath thinks> > > > > that Gemini> > > > > > lagna chart is correct and Sri KN Rao apparently thinks that> > > > > Taurus lagna> > > > > > chart is correct. Both seemingly said that the time is critical> > > > > for him,> > > > > > using two different charts. Though both made the correct call,> > > > > obviously one> > > > > > of them is (or possibly both of them are) using a wrong chart.> > > > > >> > > > > > And, on vedic astrology , a gentleman claimed that he> > > > > personally> > > > > > met an astrologer who was consulted by Pramod Mahajan.> > > Apparently,> > > > > the> > > > > > latter read Pramod Mahajan's chart that was prepared at birth.> > > > > According to> > > > > > him, Mahajan has Sagittarius lagna! After Mahajan's passing> > > away,> > > > > this> > > > > > gentleman contacted that astrologer again and confirmed that> > > lagna> > > > > is Sg.> > > > > >> > > > > > Though people may not like hearing this, I will make one honest> > > > > observation> > > > > > here. If a reasonably accurate chart is given, i.e. birthtime> > > is> > > > > in the> > > > > > ball-park of the correct time and the error is 10 min or less,> > > > > then we seem> > > > > > to do a good job of rectifying the chart and making correct> > > > > predictions.> > > > > > Even students who have been leaning for a year or two seem to> > > be> > > > > able to> > > > > > come to a consensus on the correct birthtime and make good> > > > > predictions. I> > > > > > see it practically in my own Sunday classes near Boston.> > > > > >> > > > > > However, if two or three totally different charts are given, we> > > > > seem to be> > > > > > more susceptible to making bad calls. Especially, if the> > > correct> > > > > chart is> > > > > > hidden and 2 or 3 wrong charts are circulated, we do not seem> > > to> > > > > be able to> > > > > > always identify that none of the circulated charts is correct> > > and> > > > > end up> > > > > > picking up one of the charts.> > > > > >> > > > > > In some mathematical optimization problems, solution is> > > possible> > > > > only if you> > > > > > start close to the "global" optimum. Otherwise, you may end up> > > > > with a> > > > > > "local" optimum and not reach the global optimum. I wonder if> > > we> > > > > have such> > > > > > an issue.> > > > > >> > > > > > In any case, I did see in several cases (e.g. Vajpayee, Kerry,> > > > > Sonia,> > > > > > Mahajan, Karunanidhi) that very good astrologers end> > > > > up "verifying" and> > > > > > endorsing totally different charts and sometimes all of them> > > are> > > > > wrong too.> > > > > >> > > > > > On a personal note, I think there was an egoistic reason for my> > > > > prediction> > > > > > without a lot of ground work. On that day, I spent 15.5 hours> > > > > meditating> > > > > > with a Vedamantra, starting at sunrise and ending in the> > > night. I> > > > > was> > > > > > feeling very blissful at the end. Still, I guess I was> > > overcome by> > > > > moha> > > > > > (delusion) and thought that Pramod Mahajan's survival would be> > > > > good for the> > > > > > country. Moreover, I thought that my making a positive> > > prediction> > > > > after such> > > > > > a "long sadhana" would help his case. Obviously, that was quite> > > > > egoistic and> > > > > > foolish of me. As long as that ego and sense of doership> > > remains,> > > > > no amount> > > > > > of sadhana is fully useful. The goal of all sadhana is to merge> > > > > one's> > > > > > consciousness with the supreme consciousness and merge one's> > > will> > > > > power with> > > > > > the divine will. Until that happens, I guess such stupid> > > thoughts> > > > > keep> > > > > > coming. In any case, I wanted to make a positive prediction and> > > > > spent 5> > > > > > minutes with the chart given by Pt Sanjay Rath and saw that> > > > > Jaimini's> > > > > > longevity rules show a long life in the chart. Then I was happy> > > > > and went> > > > > > ahead. It is quite appropriate that a prediction based on> > > subtle> > > > > egotism> > > > > > came back to teach a lesson or two in egotism.> > > > > >> > > > > > Bottomline is: I did concede that I was irresponsible. But, if> > > you> > > > > listen to> > > > > > the free mp3 audio of our classes at Boston, you will see that> > > we> > > > > normally> > > > > > do our astrology very responsibly and systematically. I can> > > only> > > > > try to> > > > > > improve.> > > > > >> > > > > > May the light of Brahman shine within,> > > > > > Narasimha> > > > > > ------------------------------> > > -> > > > > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net> > > > > > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org> > > > > > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org> > > > > > ------------------------------> > > -> > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear PVR ji,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > An erudite astrologer like you should have verified Mithuna> > > > > lagna> > > > > > horoscope first before attempting to give out a prediction on> > > > > that. Thats my> > > > > > humble suggestion.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > regards,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Manoj> > > > > > >> > > > > > > childofdevi <childofdevi@> wrote:> > > > > > > Dear PVR-ji,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Even though the prediction did not happen, your humility is> > > very> > > > > > > admirable especially considering how deeply knowledgeable you> > > > > are. The> > > > > > > light of Brahman has indeed shined through:-).> > > > > > >> > > > > > > With respects and best regards,> > > > > > > -Vijay> > > > > > >> > > > > > > , "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao"> > > > > <pvr@>> > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Dear Pradeep,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > I humbly accept my failure in this particular case. I went> > > by> > > > > > > Jaimini's "3 parts rule" for determining the longevity. With> > > the> > > > > > > Gemini lagna chart given by Pt Sanjay Rath, I get long life> > > (72-> > > > > 108> > > > > > > years) with my understanding of the rule of 3 parts. Though> > > he is> > > > > > > running maraka dasas as per the natal chart as well as the> > > annual> > > > > > > chart, I went by the "long life" expectation and thought> > > that he> > > > > would> > > > > > > survive the maraka dasas in annual chart until June 26. I> > > humbly> > > > > > > accept my failure.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > One must never take any astro predictions seriously.> > > > > > > > > I for one would from now on never seek to consult an> > > > > astrologer.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > I think we need to improve, but I am not as pessimistic.> > > In my> > > > > > > Sunday classes at Boston, we usually take up one chart in> > > each> > > > > class> > > > > > > and spend a little more than an hour rectifying the birthtime> > > > > based on> > > > > > > known events and then make predictions in the next hour.> > > There> > > > > have> > > > > > > been so many occasions when students confirmed a few months> > > > > later that> > > > > > > the prediction of the class came perfectly true for them,> > > their> > > > > > > relatives and friends.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > All of us make many correct predictions and some wrong ones> > > > > too.> > > > > > > Especially in celebrity charts, we sometimes don't spend> > > enough> > > > > time> > > > > > > and still overenthusiastically (and irresponsibly) make> > > > > predictions> > > > > > > with data that may not be accurate or fully rectified. Such> > > is> > > > > the> > > > > > > power of maya that celebrity charts are sometimes simply> > > > > irresistible.> > > > > > > Of course, in some cases, failure is not due to a wrong time,> > > > > but due> > > > > > > to over-reliance on a fallible technique.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Better to trust in God ... Chant His name!!> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > I wouldn't contest that one. Chanting His name (or Her> > > name) is> > > > > > > anyday better than doing astrology. But then, both can be> > > done.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > May the light of Brahman shine within,> > > > > > > > Narasimha> > > > > > > > --------------------------> > > ----> > > > > -> > > > > > > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3):> > > http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net> > > > > > > > Free Jyotish software (Windows):> > > http://www.VedicAstrologer.org> > > > > > > > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website:> > > http://www.SriJagannath.org> > > > > > > > --------------------------> > > ----> > > > *tat savitur varenyam* > > > > >

May 9, 2006

Dear All,

Narasimha> Etymologically, Lakshmi's view on the word " Saamba " is

correct.

umA seems to be used more commonly, as in somA-skandaH, umApatiH,

umAmaheshvaraH etc.

Sourav> I disagree/do not understand yet, why Sanjay-ji, said that

Saamba Siva is not about Amba but about Swayambhu.

SR> The point I was hoping would bediscussed slightly more was the

concept of Advaita.

SR> What is this philosophy and what is the relevance of 'saamba' to

this?

SR> The word Saamba is from Svayam-bhu or 'self created'.

SR> So it cannot be Sa+ambaa as then there is duality and this

breaks the concept of advaita symbolised by svayambhu or saamba

shiva.

In the panchayatana puja established by Shankaracharya, we first

worship the five major sectarian deities. This includes the worship

of both amba & shiva. Secondly, we worship the five forms (tattwas)

of shiva (sadyojatAdi). Thirdly, and finally, we " worship " sAmba-

sadA-shiva (this is the culmination of the worship). shiva in this

final " worship " does not refer to the god shiva, but refers to

brahman itself. Thus, the tradition and the method of worship itself

teaches quite clearly that `sAmba-shiva' does not really refer

to `umA-maheshvara'.

When is an adjective used to quality another word? Only when the

sense it conveys is not self-existent in the word being

qualified. Thus, blue-throated (nIla-kaNTha) makes sense because the

neck is not usually blue in colour. But `quick-fastness' is not

normally used since quick & fast refer to the same concept. Now, we

can apply this concept to `sAmba-shiva'.

ambA is she who is the progenitor or all, or the creator of

all `ambate janayati sarvam (amarakosha)'. Thus, in the

expression `sAmba-shiva', the word `shiva' by itself is understood

to be the one who is not the progenitor (i.e. ambA is prakriti, and

shiva is puruSha). Actually, we prefer the expression `sAmba-sadA-

shiva'. Since `sadA' (always) is also used to qualify it, the

word `shiva' by itself is furthur understood to be him who is beyond

time itself. i.e. we commonly understand that the interaction

between brahman and maya " creates time " . But here, since sadA

qualifies `shiva', shiva is beyond time itself, and there cannot be

any such interaction between purusha & prakriti. All that exists is

brahman alone. Observe that the process used to arrive at the inner

meaning of shiva is the process of `neti-neti' itself.

I remember reading an episode of one of the Sringeri

Shankaracharyas. He was taking private classes on the brahma-sutras

to a few select students. One day, when they arrived at the

appointed time, the acharya was in the midst of shri-chakra puja. An

hour or two later, the acharya was still performing the puja, and

only one student remained. At the end, he commented `As a teacher of

vedanta, I would have thought that you would prefer teaching brahma-

sutras to performing this outward puja.' The acharya replied by

taking one of the names from lalita-sahasranama and explaining its

inner meaning. He said `This itself is the highest teaching of

vedanta. What more is there?'

Words like `sAmba shiva' can be understood as `sa-ambA'. But, it has

a much deeper meaning too. It is also the highest teaching of

vedanta.

Sorry for the non-jyotisha posting.

ajit

May 9, 2006

|| Hare Rama Krishna ||

Dear Ajit-ji,

Namaskar. Thank you for providing your thoughts. I understand what you and Sanjay-ji really want us to look at i.e. to see Saamba Siva in the supreme form. It is true. Without negating the fact that Saamba refers to Amba-yuktah, this can also be done. There is no description to the Supreme beyond the one word 'Bramhan'. The togetherness of Amba and Siva also shows the same but with an apparent distinction between Siva and Shakti. Actually it is not really a distinction in any strong sense. Agni and daahika shakti cannot be separated -- like this part is daahika shakti and this part is agni alone without dhaakita shakti. Using dahana as an attribute for Agni does not diminish it in scale. Similarly. So Samba and Sada are two adjectives of Supreme Siva. Samba refers to That from whom everything else is coming and Sada refers to That who is always there. Words are very tricky when it comes to expression of truth in its fullness. Bottom line is that Saamba from byutpatti artha is refering to Amba or Procreatrix.

Hope I got this correct this time.

Best wishes,

Sourav

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sohamsa , "Ajit Krishnan" <ajit.krishnan wrote:>> Dear All,> > Narasimha> Etymologically, Lakshmi's view on the word "Saamba" is > correct.> > umA seems to be used more commonly, as in somA-skandaH, umApatiH, > umAmaheshvaraH etc.> > Sourav> I disagree/do not understand yet, why Sanjay-ji, said that > Saamba Siva is not about Amba but about Swayambhu.> > SR> The point I was hoping would bediscussed slightly more was the > concept of Advaita. > SR> What is this philosophy and what is the relevance of 'saamba' to > this?> SR> The word Saamba is from Svayam-bhu or 'self created'. > SR> So it cannot be Sa+ambaa as then there is duality and this > breaks the concept of advaita symbolised by svayambhu or saamba > shiva.> > In the panchayatana puja established by Shankaracharya, we first > worship the five major sectarian deities. This includes the worship > of both amba & shiva. Secondly, we worship the five forms (tattwas) > of shiva (sadyojatAdi). Thirdly, and finally, we "worship" sAmba-> sadA-shiva (this is the culmination of the worship). shiva in this > final "worship" does not refer to the god shiva, but refers to > brahman itself. Thus, the tradition and the method of worship itself > teaches quite clearly that `sAmba-shiva' does not really refer > to `umA-maheshvara'. > > When is an adjective used to quality another word? Only when the > sense it conveys is not self-existent in the word being > qualified. Thus, blue-throated (nIla-kaNTha) makes sense because the > neck is not usually blue in colour. But `quick-fastness' is not > normally used since quick & fast refer to the same concept. Now, we > can apply this concept to `sAmba-shiva'. > > ambA is she who is the progenitor or all, or the creator of > all `ambate janayati sarvam (amarakosha)'. Thus, in the > expression `sAmba-shiva', the word `shiva' by itself is understood > to be the one who is not the progenitor (i.e. ambA is prakriti, and > shiva is puruSha). Actually, we prefer the expression `sAmba-sadA-> shiva'. Since `sadA' (always) is also used to qualify it, the > word `shiva' by itself is furthur understood to be him who is beyond > time itself. i.e. we commonly understand that the interaction > between brahman and maya "creates time". But here, since sadA > qualifies `shiva', shiva is beyond time itself, and there cannot be > any such interaction between purusha & prakriti. All that exists is > brahman alone. Observe that the process used to arrive at the inner > meaning of shiva is the process of `neti-neti' itself. > > I remember reading an episode of one of the Sringeri > Shankaracharyas. He was taking private classes on the brahma-sutras > to a few select students. One day, when they arrived at the > appointed time, the acharya was in the midst of shri-chakra puja. An > hour or two later, the acharya was still performing the puja, and > only one student remained. At the end, he commented `As a teacher of > vedanta, I would have thought that you would prefer teaching brahma-> sutras to performing this outward puja.' The acharya replied by > taking one of the names from lalita-sahasranama and explaining its > inner meaning. He said `This itself is the highest teaching of > vedanta. What more is there?'> > Words like `sAmba shiva' can be understood as `sa-ambA'. But, it has > a much deeper meaning too. It is also the highest teaching of > vedanta. > > Sorry for the non-jyotisha posting. > > ajit>

May 10, 2006

Om Gurave Namah

Namaste Narasimha garu,

Many thanks for your prompt and educative clarifications. I could

not respond earlier because of heavy influx of guests:--))

Regards,

Lakshmi

sohamsa , " Narasimha P.V.R. Rao " <pvr

wrote:

>

> Namaste,

>

> I just caught one mail in this thread. Sourav, you wrote:

>

> > Sandhi is between words. Sa- is a prefix and not a word.

>

> That is incorrect. Sandhi can happen between a prefix and a word

too. Examples are sa+aayudha=saayudha, nih+aayudha=niraayudha,

vi+atipaata=vyatipaata, vi+avasaaya=vyavasaaya etc.

>

> > But the correct word is Saamba not Saambaa.

>

> Nope, if you add sa in front of a feminine word that ends with

long a ( " aa " ) to describe a masculine entity, then the long a

becomes short a ( " a " ). So " Saamba " means " one who is with Ambaa " .

Similarly, " saseeta " ending with a short a can be used to describe

Rama who is with Seeta.

>

> Etymologically, Lakshmi's view on the word " Saamba " is correct.

>

> BTW, Sanjay, you asked:

>

> > > > > > which chart did you use anyway? Taurus or Gemini Lagna?

>

> I used Gemini lagna chart given by you. May be I missed some

riders, but I got " long life " for that chart using the three parts

rule. Moreover, Shoola dasa of Ge was running and it did not seem

bad, except for the aspect of Moon and Venus. It does not satisfy

any other marakatwa criteria. Or did I miss something? Why did Ge

dasa bring such a bad death?

>

> May the light of Brahman shine within,

> Narasimha

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> > || Hare Rama Krishna ||

> >

> > Dear Lakshmi-ji,

> >

> > Namaskar. Sa+ Ambaa= Saambaa.

But the

> > correct word is Saamba not Saambaa. Please check dictionary like

> > Monier-Williams. Besides, what does Sa+Ambaa mean ? Sa- is a

prefix used

> > in the sense of 'being with' or 'attended by'. Like Sa-putra =

with

> > son. Sandhi is between words. Sa- is a prefix and not a word.

Anyway,

> > M-W gives Saamba as 'attended by Ambaa'.

> >

> > Best wishes,

> >

> > Sourav

> >

> > =================================================================

> > sohamsa , " B Lakshmi Ramesh "

> > <b_lakshmi_ramesh@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Om Gurave Namah

> > >

> > > Dear Sourav,

> > >

> > > Namaste.

> > >

> > > Why Sa+amba can not be a proper sandhi? I think it is savarna

> > > deergha sandhi. similar examples will be sa+adhikaarata =

> > > saadhikaarata etc

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > > Lakshmi

> > >

> > > sohamsa , " Sourav " souravc108@ wrote:

> > > >

> > > > || Hare Rama Krishna ||

> > > >

> > > > Dear Lakshmi-ji,

> > > >

> > > > namaskar. You are correct.

> > > Saamba Siva

> > > > means Siva attended by Ambaa. However, Saamba is not exactly

sa +

> > > Amba

> > > > as far as sandhi goes. It means Ambaa-yuktah.

> > > >

> > > > Best wishes,

> > > >

> > > > Sourav

> > > >

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> > > > sohamsa , " B Lakshmi Ramesh "

> > > > <b_lakshmi_ramesh@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Om Gurave Namah

> > > > >

> > > > > Namaste Guruji,

> > > > >

> > > > > In your navamsa lecture you were pointing out the

difference

> > > between

> > > > > Shiva and Samba Shiva.

> > > > >

> > > > > Sa+Amba Shiva...Shiva with Mother...is it the association

of

> > > Mother

> > > > > that gave Samba Shiva a form (as distinguished from His

usual

> > > linga

> > > > > roopa)?

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards,

> > > > > Lakshmi

> > > > >

> > > > > sohamsa , " Sanjay Rath " guruji@

wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > | om gurave namah |

> > > > > > Dear Narasimha

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I have been seeing the chart of Sri Mahajan off and on

for many

> > > > > years in the

> > > > > > 1990's from the time he was Defence Minister. There was

a time

> > > > > when he lost

> > > > > > faith in astrologers (13 day BJP Government) and then I

had to

> > > > > give my

> > > > > > predictions in writing to prove that astrology works

(thats

> > > > > personal chart

> > > > > > of his) and not only that I also published India's chart

in the

> > > > > Times of

> > > > > > Astrology etc.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Point is, why will Pramod Mahajan lie to me? Everybody

has got

> > > > > some source

> > > > > > and the chart I give is that given by Pramod Mahajan

himself.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > You and I are perhaps, the only astrologers who have

publicly

> > > > > accepted

> > > > > > mistakes and wrong calls. No it was not

irresponsibility, you

> > > are

> > > > > very

> > > > > > responsible and honest by nature. It was sheer oversight

of the

> > > > > rashi chart.

> > > > > > which chart did you use anyway? Taurus or Gemini Lagna?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Best wishes and warm regards,

> > > > > > Sanjay Rath

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> > > > > > sohamsa

[sohamsa ]

> > > On

> > > > > Behalf Of

> > > > > > Narasimha P.V.R. Rao

> > > > > > Sunday, May 07, 2006 6:03 PM

> > > > > > ; vedic-

> > > astrology ;

> > > > > > sohamsa

> > > > > > Re: Pramod Mahajan

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Manoj ji,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I agree and that is why I used the

adjective " irresponsible " .

> > > > > >

> > > > > > However, it must be added that " erudite astrologers " have

> > > verified

> > > > > and

> > > > > > confirmed different lagnas in this case. Pt Sanjay Rath

thinks

> > > > > that Gemini

> > > > > > lagna chart is correct and Sri KN Rao apparently thinks

that

> > > > > Taurus lagna

> > > > > > chart is correct. Both seemingly said that the time is

critical

> > > > > for him,

> > > > > > using two different charts. Though both made the correct

call,

> > > > > obviously one

> > > > > > of them is (or possibly both of them are) using a wrong

chart.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > And, on vedic astrology , a gentleman claimed

that he

> > > > > personally

> > > > > > met an astrologer who was consulted by Pramod Mahajan.

> > > Apparently,

> > > > > the

> > > > > > latter read Pramod Mahajan's chart that was prepared at

birth.

> > > > > According to

> > > > > > him, Mahajan has Sagittarius lagna! After Mahajan's

passing

> > > away,

> > > > > this

> > > > > > gentleman contacted that astrologer again and confirmed

that

> > > lagna

> > > > > is Sg.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Though people may not like hearing this, I will make one

honest

> > > > > observation

> > > > > > here. If a reasonably accurate chart is given, i.e.

birthtime

> > > is

> > > > > in the

> > > > > > ball-park of the correct time and the error is 10 min or

less,

> > > > > then we seem

> > > > > > to do a good job of rectifying the chart and making

correct

> > > > > predictions.

> > > > > > Even students who have been leaning for a year or two

seem to

> > > be

> > > > > able to

> > > > > > come to a consensus on the correct birthtime and make

good

> > > > > predictions. I

> > > > > > see it practically in my own Sunday classes near Boston.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > However, if two or three totally different charts are

given, we

> > > > > seem to be

> > > > > > more susceptible to making bad calls. Especially, if the

> > > correct

> > > > > chart is

> > > > > > hidden and 2 or 3 wrong charts are circulated, we do not

seem

> > > to

> > > > > be able to

> > > > > > always identify that none of the circulated charts is

correct

> > > and

> > > > > end up

> > > > > > picking up one of the charts.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > In some mathematical optimization problems, solution is

> > > possible

> > > > > only if you

> > > > > > start close to the " global " optimum. Otherwise, you may

end up

> > > > > with a

> > > > > > " local " optimum and not reach the global optimum. I

wonder if

> > > we

> > > > > have such

> > > > > > an issue.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > In any case, I did see in several cases (e.g. Vajpayee,

Kerry,

> > > > > Sonia,

> > > > > > Mahajan, Karunanidhi) that very good astrologers end

> > > > > up " verifying " and

> > > > > > endorsing totally different charts and sometimes all of

them

> > > are

> > > > > wrong too.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > On a personal note, I think there was an egoistic reason

for my

> > > > > prediction

> > > > > > without a lot of ground work. On that day, I spent 15.5

hours

> > > > > meditating

> > > > > > with a Vedamantra, starting at sunrise and ending in the

> > > night. I

> > > > > was

> > > > > > feeling very blissful at the end. Still, I guess I was

> > > overcome by

> > > > > moha

> > > > > > (delusion) and thought that Pramod Mahajan's survival

would be

> > > > > good for the

> > > > > > country. Moreover, I thought that my making a positive

> > > prediction

> > > > > after such

> > > > > > a " long sadhana " would help his case. Obviously, that

was quite

> > > > > egoistic and

> > > > > > foolish of me. As long as that ego and sense of doership

> > > remains,

> > > > > no amount

> > > > > > of sadhana is fully useful. The goal of all sadhana is

to merge

> > > > > one's

> > > > > > consciousness with the supreme consciousness and merge

one's

> > > will

> > > > > power with

> > > > > > the divine will. Until that happens, I guess such stupid

> > > thoughts

> > > > > keep

> > > > > > coming. In any case, I wanted to make a positive

prediction and

> > > > > spent 5

> > > > > > minutes with the chart given by Pt Sanjay Rath and saw

that

> > > > > Jaimini's

> > > > > > longevity rules show a long life in the chart. Then I

was happy

> > > > > and went

> > > > > > ahead. It is quite appropriate that a prediction based on

> > > subtle

> > > > > egotism

> > > > > > came back to teach a lesson or two in egotism.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Bottomline is: I did concede that I was irresponsible.

But, if

> > > you

> > > > > listen to

> > > > > > the free mp3 audio of our classes at Boston, you will

see that

> > > we

> > > > > normally

> > > > > > do our astrology very responsibly and systematically. I

can

> > > only

> > > > > try to

> > > > > > improve.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > May the light of Brahman shine within,

> > > > > > Narasimha

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> > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear PVR ji,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > An erudite astrologer like you should have verified

Mithuna

> > > > > lagna

> > > > > > horoscope first before attempting to give out a

prediction on

> > > > > that. Thats my

> > > > > > humble suggestion.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Manoj

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > childofdevi <childofdevi@> wrote:

> > > > > > > Dear PVR-ji,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Even though the prediction did not happen, your

humility is

> > > very

> > > > > > > admirable especially considering how deeply

knowledgeable you

> > > > > are. The

> > > > > > > light of Brahman has indeed shined through:-).

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > With respects and best regards,

> > > > > > > -Vijay

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > , " Narasimha P.V.R.

Rao "

> > > > > <pvr@>

> > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Pradeep,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I humbly accept my failure in this particular case.

I went

> > > by

> > > > > > > Jaimini's " 3 parts rule " for determining the

longevity. With

> > > the

> > > > > > > Gemini lagna chart given by Pt Sanjay Rath, I get long

life

> > > (72-

> > > > > 108

> > > > > > > years) with my understanding of the rule of 3 parts.

Though

> > > he is

> > > > > > > running maraka dasas as per the natal chart as well as

the

> > > annual

> > > > > > > chart, I went by the " long life " expectation and

thought

> > > that he

> > > > > would

> > > > > > > survive the maraka dasas in annual chart until June

26. I

> > > humbly

> > > > > > > accept my failure.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > One must never take any astro predictions

seriously.

> > > > > > > > > I for one would from now on never seek to consult

an

> > > > > astrologer.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I think we need to improve, but I am not as

pessimistic.

> > > In my

> > > > > > > Sunday classes at Boston, we usually take up one chart

in

> > > each

> > > > > class

> > > > > > > and spend a little more than an hour rectifying the

birthtime

> > > > > based on

> > > > > > > known events and then make predictions in the next

hour.

> > > There

> > > > > have

> > > > > > > been so many occasions when students confirmed a few

months

> > > > > later that

> > > > > > > the prediction of the class came perfectly true for

them,

> > > their

> > > > > > > relatives and friends.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > All of us make many correct predictions and some

wrong ones

> > > > > too.

> > > > > > > Especially in celebrity charts, we sometimes don't

spend

> > > enough

> > > > > time

> > > > > > > and still overenthusiastically (and irresponsibly) make

> > > > > predictions

> > > > > > > with data that may not be accurate or fully rectified.

Such

> > > is

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > power of maya that celebrity charts are sometimes

simply

> > > > > irresistible.

> > > > > > > Of course, in some cases, failure is not due to a

wrong time,

> > > > > but due

> > > > > > > to over-reliance on a fallible technique.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Better to trust in God ... Chant His name!!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I wouldn't contest that one. Chanting His name (or

Her

> > > name) is

> > > > > > > anyday better than doing astrology. But then, both can

be

> > > done.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > May the light of Brahman shine within,

> > > > > > > > Narasimha

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May 11, 2006

| om gurave namah |Dear Ajit

That was awesome really. Everytime I read one of your mails these days it feels like I am inside a temple talking to a Pandit of eminence and standing...you have gone quite a distance from those days in Delhi...very far. Good, now some comments below...Best wishes and warm regards,Sanjay RathPersonal: WebPages ¡ü Rath¡Çs Rhapsody SJC WebPages: Sri Jagannath Center ¡ü SJCERC ¡ü JIVAPublications: The Jyotish Digest ¡ü Sagittarius Publications----

sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of Ajit KrishnanTuesday, May 09, 2006 8:10 PMsohamsa Subject: Re: Sanskrit and Pramod Mahajan

Dear All,Narasimha> Etymologically, Lakshmi's view on the word "Saamba" is correct.umA seems to be used more commonly, as in somA-skandaH, umApatiH, umAmaheshvaraH etc.Sourav> I disagree/do not understand yet, why Sanjay-ji, said that Saamba Siva is not about Amba but about Swayambhu.SR> The point I was hoping would bediscussed slightly more was the concept of Advaita. SR> What is this philosophy and what is the relevance of 'saamba' to this?SR> The word Saamba is from Svayam-bhu or 'self created'. SR> So it cannot be Sa+ambaa as then there is duality and this breaks the concept of advaita symbolised by svayambhu or saamba shiva.In the panchayatana puja established by Shankaracharya, we first worship the five major sectarian deities. This includes the worship of both amba & shiva. Secondly, we worship the five forms (tattwas) of shiva (sadyojatAdi). Thirdly, and finally, we "worship" sAmba-sadA-shiva (this is the culmination of the worship). shiva in this final "worship" does not refer to the god shiva, but refers to brahman itself. Thus, the tradition and the method of worship itself teaches quite clearly that `sAmba-shiva' does not really refer to `umA-maheshvara'. [s.Rath:] That was a very important point which I was trying to drive into the jyotishi that when it comes to jupiter, any form is differentiation of rajas guna is prohibited and ignorance of tamas guna is not tolerated. The guna is very important to understand what the Rishi is trying to tell us. In Surya Jaimini talks of Shiva and with Jupiter Saamba Shiva. What is the difference if there is any? That ws my point and you have brought this out so very nicely.When is an adjective used to quality another word? Only when the sense it conveys is not self-existent in the word being qualified. Thus, blue-throated (nIla-kaNTha) makes sense because the neck is not usually blue in colour. But `quick-fastness' is not normally used since quick & fast refer to the same concept. Now, we can apply this concept to `sAmba-shiva'. [s.Rath:] Really? So are you saying that saamba is not an adjective for describing shiva? That implies that saamba is a *normal* state of Shiva like the neck is normally white and sometimes blue. Kindly clarify. ambA is she who is the progenitor or all, or the creator of all `ambate janayati sarvam (amarakosha)'. Thus, in the expression `sAmba-shiva', the word `shiva' by itself is understood to be the one who is not the progenitor (i.e. ambA is prakriti, and shiva is puruSha). [s.Rath:] Here we are with the Sun and Moon n the Jaimini sutras...

Actually, we prefer the expression `sAmba-sadA-shiva'. Since `sadA' (always) is also used to qualify it, the word `shiva' by itself is furthur understood to be him who is beyond time itself. i.e. we commonly understand that the interaction between brahman and maya "creates time". But here, since sadA qualifies `shiva', shiva is beyond time itself, and there cannot be any such interaction between purusha & prakriti. All that exists is brahman alone. Observe that the process used to arrive at the inner meaning of shiva is the process of `neti-neti' itself. [s.Rath:] I wonder why Jaimini did not prefer sadaa in between saamba shiva. Any inputs? I remember reading an episode of one of the Sringeri Shankaracharyas. He was taking private classes on the brahma-sutras to a few select students. One day, when they arrived at the appointed time, the acharya was in the midst of shri-chakra puja. An hour or two later, the acharya was still performing the puja, and only one student remained. At the end, he commented `As a teacher of vedanta, I would have thought that you would prefer teaching brahma-sutras to performing this outward puja.' The acharya replied by taking one of the names from lalita-sahasranama and explaining its inner meaning. He said `This itself is the highest teaching of vedanta. What more is there?'Words like `sAmba shiva' can be understood as `sa-ambA'. But, it has a much deeper meaning too. It is also the highest teaching of vedanta. Sorry for the non-jyotisha posting. [s.Rath:] There is nothing non-jyotish in this posting ...please this IS JYOTISH..and you know that. So go ahead and give us another beautiful writing like this, and write thinking that you are talking to a layman, one who knows little sanskrit and needs to be told things with examples and simple lingo...just let go Ajit. If there is one who can explain advaita well then I think it will be you.

[s.Rath:] Thereafter we shall starting talking about dvaita, which so many seem to understand so well (??). ajit

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sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of SouravTuesday, May 09, 2006 7:56 PMsohamsa Subject: Re: Sanskrit and Pramod Mahajan

|| Hare Rama Krishna ||

Dear Sanjay-ji,

Pranam. While Visti-ji/Sundeep and others were discussing whether longevity should be analysed in apamrityu cases, I tried to post my calculations (twice) on ayurdayas. For some reason didn't post that message and there was some problem going on with server, I suppose. [s.Rath:] Please try reposting. is great sometimes. These past weeks I the group owner, am also moderated!!! Please repost after a day and things generally work, or try posting from web.

I did a calculation based on the process delineated in Uttara Kalamrita (Pt. Sashtri translation) and I arrived at an answer 60.1 years (off by a couple of years from acutal age). Further deductions were suggested by Pt. Sashtri and I am unable to find the references. In any case he gave a good exposition on Ayurdaya principles in his book Scientific Hindu Astrology, and I believe ayurdaya principles (where each grahas contribution are taken into account) are more accurate that approximations based on Method of pairs and thumb rules like Budh and Guru being in strength in Kendra, and other rules. You have already hinted at 'Guru will look away during certain antar dasas', so there are possibilties that such thumb rules may not work.[s.Rath:] Good can you tell us which method you have used? Pindayu, Amsayu, Naisargikayu or something else? Have ou tried the same in some charts like say the Gandhi family - Mahatma, Indira and Rajiv Gandhi?

(a) Would you kindly comment on which ayurdaya principle is best in such matters ?[s.Rath:] The Pindayu is good if used with Pindayu dasa when Sun is strong; Nisargika ayu is good with Naisargika dasa if Moon is strong and Amsayu is good with Amsayu dasa if Lagna is strong. This is my understanding of the views of Satyacharya. I don't have software to do this and the kings of India have been reduced to beggars since the last century - they take more than giving to brahmins and astrologers. So I also follow simple shortcut methods and thumbs rules so long as it is the thumb of Parasara or Jaimini and my understanding of the shula dasa that goes with it.

(b) Since Aayus can be altered by personal will and also by present life's karma, are such estimations useful always ?[s.Rath:] Really? I didn't know that Sourav. Otherthan Vivekananda can you give me some more examples who have altered their longevities by will or their own wish? I feel that the estimates are very useful and good and they give us an idea of what is to come in the life. It also gives us an idea of benefic planets and malefic ones.

© How to use prashna to find aayu of an adult age person, if it is advisable/ethical to use prashna in this way ?[s.Rath:] The Pancha-shputa and Pancha sutras are very useful. Yes it is ethical as per Prasna Marga. When people think about death they will start doing good karma (provided they know the meaning of karma).

Thank you for sharing. Pranam.

Best wishes,

Sourav[s.Rath:] My pleasure Sourav. Which house is Sagittarius in your chart? Which arudha are there?

Best wishes and warm regards,Sanjay RathPersonal: WebPages ¡ü Rath¡Çs Rhapsody SJC WebPages: Sri Jagannath Center ¡ü SJCERC ¡ü JIVAPublications: The Jyotish Digest ¡ü Sagittarius Publications----

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Dear Sanjay-ji,

Pranam. Thank you much for reply.

(1) I have used the method delineated in Uttara Kalamrita. The method is based on Elasped navamsas of each graha and lagna counted from Mesha 0 deg. Multiples of 12 are removed. Further a number of rules regarding vriddhi/hrasha due to exaltation, debility, being in 7th to 12th houses, drekkana etc are applied. (I will try to replicate the calculation later and post it). This is I believe Amsa Ayurdaya as per Pt. Sashtri's translation. Surya is weak and Chandrama doesn't have pakshabala. So Lagna can be taken stronger (?) for this calculation. Again, I will post the calculation once I get a bit time off.

Pt. Sashtri is also saying Krurodayaharana to be applied and I don't know what he is refering to so I stopped at 60.1 years.

(2) > [s.Rath:] Really? I didn't know that Sourav. Otherthan Vivekananda can you> give me some more examples who have altered their longevities by will or> their own wish? I feel that the estimates are very useful and good and they> give us an idea of what is to come in the life. It also gives us an idea of> benefic planets and malefic ones.

I mentioned this because (a) remedies help (b) there is the case of iccha mrityu © For manishi's this is possible. Perhaps this is not an every-day occurance.

Now, you gave a hint that from ayurdaya applications, we can see benefic and malefic grahas. How? Kindly elaborate.

(3) > [s.Rath:] My pleasure Sourav. Which house is Sagittarius in your chart?> Which arudha are there?

My chart should be with you. In my chart, Sagittarius is in 7th house with Surya and Shukra, aspected by Guru from lagna and no Arudhas falling in it. Any significance ?

Pranam & Best wishes,

Sourav

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sohamsa , "Sanjay Rath" <guruji wrote:>> > > > | om gurave namah |> Dear Sourav> > > > _____> > sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of> Sourav> Tuesday, May 09, 2006 7:56 PM> sohamsa > Re: Sanskrit and Pramod Mahajan> > > > || Hare Rama Krishna ||> > Dear Sanjay-ji,> > Pranam. While Visti-ji/Sundeep and others> were discussing whether longevity should be analysed in apamrityu cases, I> tried to post my calculations (twice) on ayurdayas. For some reason > didn't post that message and there was some problem going on with server, I> suppose.> [s.Rath:] Please try reposting. is great sometimes. These past weeks I> the group owner, am also moderated!!! Please repost after a day and things> generally work, or try posting from web.> > I did a calculation based on the process delineated in Uttara Kalamrita (Pt.> Sashtri translation) and I arrived at an answer 60.1 years (off by a couple> of years from acutal age). Further deductions were suggested by Pt. Sashtri> and I am unable to find the references. In any case he gave a good> exposition on Ayurdaya principles in his book Scientific Hindu Astrology,> and I believe ayurdaya principles (where each grahas contribution are taken> into account) are more accurate that approximations based on Method of pairs> and thumb rules like Budh and Guru being in strength in Kendra, and other> rules. You have already hinted at 'Guru will look away during certain antar> dasas', so there are possibilties that such thumb rules may not work.> [s.Rath:] Good can you tell us which method you have used? Pindayu, Amsayu,> Naisargikayu or something else? Have ou tried the same in some charts like> say the Gandhi family - Mahatma, Indira and Rajiv Gandhi?> > (a) Would you kindly comment on which ayurdaya principle is best in such> matters ?> [s.Rath:] The Pindayu is good if used with Pindayu dasa when Sun is strong;> Nisargika ayu is good with Naisargika dasa if Moon is strong and Amsayu is> good with Amsayu dasa if Lagna is strong. This is my understanding of the> views of Satyacharya. I don't have software to do this and the kings of> India have been reduced to beggars since the last century - they take more> than giving to brahmins and astrologers. So I also follow simple shortcut> methods and thumbs rules so long as it is the thumb of Parasara or Jaimini> and my understanding of the shula dasa that goes with it.> > (b) Since Aayus can be altered by personal will and also by present life's> karma, are such estimations useful always ?> [s.Rath:] Really? I didn't know that Sourav. Otherthan Vivekananda can you> give me some more examples who have altered their longevities by will or> their own wish? I feel that the estimates are very useful and good and they> give us an idea of what is to come in the life. It also gives us an idea of> benefic planets and malefic ones.> > © How to use prashna to find aayu of an adult age person, if it is> advisable/ethical to use prashna in this way ?> [s.Rath:] The Pancha-shputa and Pancha sutras are very useful. Yes it is> ethical as per Prasna Marga. When people think about death they will start> doing good karma (provided they know the meaning of karma).> > Thank you for sharing. Pranam.> > Best wishes,> > Sourav> [s.Rath:] My pleasure Sourav. Which house is Sagittarius in your chart?> Which arudha are there?> > Best wishes and warm regards,> Sanjay Rath> > Personal: <http://srath.com/blog/> WebPages ¡ü <http://srath.com/blog/>> Rath¡Çs Rhapsody> SJC WebPages: <http://.org/> Sri Jagannath Center ¡ü> <http://sjcerc.com/> SJCERC ¡ü <http://jiva.us/> JIVA> Publications: <http://thejyotishdigest.com/> The Jyotish Digest ¡ü> <http://sagittariuspublications.com/> Sagittarius Publications> ----> > > > > > > > _____> > avast! Antivirus <http://www.avast.com> : Outbound message clean.> > > Virus Database (VPS): 0619-2, 05/11/2006> Tested on: 5/11/2006 11:08:47 PM> avast! - copyright © 1988-2006 ALWIL Software.>

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