Guest guest Posted May 8, 2006 Report Share Posted May 8, 2006 Om Gurave Namah Dear Freedom, Namaste. That's a lovely explanation:--)) If I may add further, I feel that the Rishis attached great importance to the ability to see " objectively " . Subjectivity is supposed to be a trait of rajo-, tamo-gunas, so rasi drishti within the same guna is avoided, as also with the adjoining houses (too close), so objectivity is maitained. Sattwa guna is supposed to bestow an impartial, objective vision, so drishti within the same guna is allowed. If two dual houses are adjacent, perhaps drishti would have been allowed there too. Regards, Lakshmi sohamsa , " freeflowaum " <freeflowaum wrote: > > Hare Rama Krsna > > This is my simple understanding regarding rasi drsti: They are based on > chara, sthira, and dvisvabhava signs, which are rajas, tamas and sattva > signs. The sattva signs interact among themselves, the learned pandits > (Jupiter) and the scholars and students (Mercury) have a balanced > relationship between themselves. The rajas and tamas signs aspect > themselves, it is a constant continuum back and forth. The nature of rajas > is to crash into tamas (like a coffee high lets you down even more tired), > and the nature of tamas is to break ungracefully into rajas (like a lazy > person getting angry). They falter back and forth among themselves from one > extreme to the other, without balance, but in total interaction. > > The most important thing for us as Jyotish students is to trust the Rishis. > The ahamkara is constantly trying to fit the ancient teachings into its > frame of thought, instead of fitting the ahamkaras thoughts into the frame > of the Rishis. One of my spiritual gurus always says that 'to understand is > to stand under'. > > Parashara has taught that rashi drishti is based in the > chara-sthira-dvisvabhava signs, it is our job to look closely and try to > understand why he says this. The great teaching is there for us to awaken. > Parashara describes a " maha drishti chakra " to understand rasi aspect in the > rasi aspect chapter of BPHS, study this. It works much like the way the > sarvatobhadra chakra gives vedha, which I have been comparing to the three > types of vedha. Also notice the nature of the Abhimukha sign pair relative > to this. > > Namah Sivaya > > _____ > > sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of > Sourav > Sunday, May 07, 2006 11:24 AM > sohamsa > Re: Rashi Drishti - Some Thoughts/Doubts - Repost with > Modification > > || Hare Rama Krishna || > Dear Vijaydas-ji, > Namaskar. Without going into any possible > disputes/arguments I would like to state that as a student who is still > struggling with basics, I am also in the want of conceptual understanding of > rasi aspects. My questions are similar to your first e-mail. > (1) Why Chara -rasis aspect (or have mutual control on each other with) > sthira rasis and Dwisabhaba rasis aspect each other? Why not adjacent > rasis? > (2) Why this aspect is based on chara-sthira-dwisabhaba classification of > rasis and why not on other classifications viz. odd/even, > odd-footed-even-footed-ness, udaya, rasi tattva (fiery, earthy etc).? > -- For example, out of the tattva classification, in each class there are > three rasis, chara-sthira-disabhaba and in each class there are mutual rasi > drishti's between two of the three rasis. Hence my idea that tattva can have > a possible bearning. I do not know how. > (3) Does rasi aspect have anything to do with sambandhas of their lords > (e.g. relation per planetary cabinet) ? > > > sohamsa , " vijayadas_pradeep " <vijayadas_pradeep@> > wrote: > > > > Dear Sanjay ji > > > > Thanks a lot for your time. > > Kindly see my replies. > > > > Warm regds > > Pradeep > > > > If shri Rath is unable to answer i am requesting other learned members > > like shri Sanjay Prabhakaran to comment on Rashi drishtis. > > [s.Rath:] 'unable' is not the right word. It assumes too much. I told > > you so many times that I don't have to answer which you cannot take for > > some reason. Try 'would not like to answer' next time. It can start > > changing things inside. > > > > Pradeep:''Unable'' was not having any specific intention.It can be lack > > of time as well.Kindly understand. > > > > My strong feeling is Rashi drishtis are not to be used along with graha > > drishtis. > > Rashi dashas are not based on the nakshthra placement of moon and > > progressions,rather that of Rashis.Grahas in chara rashis can influence > > those in Sthira Rashis(chara has some reason to infleunce sthira and > > vice-versa?).Similarly Grahas in Dwisabhava Rashis will influence those > > in other dwisabhava rashis. > > [s.Rath:] That is a wrong assumtion you have made. (1) Kalachakra dasa > > is a rashi dasa based on the nakshatra placement of the Moon. Su dasa is > > also a rashi dasa based on not only nakshatra placement of Moon but also > > of Lagna degree. (2) statement in bold is a fact. > > > > 1)Though Kalachakra dasha has dasha orders based on Rashis,as in > > Vimshottari,initially moon has a significant role.9 rashis dashas are > > calculated based on janma nakshathra navamsha.Also it is suitable, if > > navamsha lord of moon is with moon or aspects moon.Thus i feel > > Kalachakra dasha is quite different from the Rashi dashas advised by > > Jaimini.It can very well be classified under nakshathra dashas,as well. > > > > > > If we study carefully, why immediate sthira and chara rashis are > > avoided,can be understood.For a graha to influence another rashi a > > minimum angle is must.Dwisabhava rashis are always in kendras from one > > another,and hence there is no need for such an exclusion. > > [s.Rath:] That again is an assumption. Rahu aspects the sign next to it > > and there is no minimum angle required in this graha drishti. For > > example if Rahu is in Pisces in 29 degrees, it aspects another planet > > say Mars in Aries 1 degree and here the angle between the two is only > > two degrees. So the minimum angle theory is wrong. > > > > Whether Rahu has got an aspect or not itself is debatable.They are > > Chayagrahas and do not cast aspects.Rahu does not lord any signs. > > > > Rashi drishtis will explain how planets can influence another > > rashi/planets,while thinking of Rashi based progressions.We should never > > ever mix these two systems. > > [s.Rath:] Firstly, these are not two systems. You have assumed again > > that there are only two types of aspects and hence the development of > > the theory is wrong. There can be and are many other types of aspects. > > Some of these are (1) graha drishti (2) rashi drishti and (3) nakshatra > > drishti...you forgot the third one. > > > > Pradeep:Thanks for reminding the same.I will read more.Sreenadh ji had > > mentioned this some time back.May be it points to existence of another > > system purely based on constellations and without any signs.Could you > > tell why adjacent rashis are ignored in case of chara/sthira. > > > > Also i got a chance today to listen to the audio from shri Rath ji.He is > > a scholar and got indepth knowledge.Also im thankful and respectful > > towards his contributions and sharing of free knoweldge.But i have > > disagreements regarding his understandings on Divisional charts and > > Karakamsha analsysis. > > [s.Rath:] You are free to try your own system, and this is not the first > > time you are saying this. > > > > Chandrena Gouryam - It simply means if Chandra is there in Karakamsha > > Rashi,then one worships Gowri.Similarly Rahu Durga - Shri Rath has > > brought in concepts of Rashi drishti.Jaimini has not told us to use > > rashi drishti in so called ''D-9''. > > [s.Rath:] Are you sure of this statement? Listen to my recent audio > > about this in the Atri SJC class for further clarification. Someone > > present there can help you. > > Pradeep:I will listen.But if i say it is your assumption that Jaimini > > expected us to take rashi drishti in ''D-9'' arrangement ,what will be > > your opinion.Also do all those shlokas mention conjunction of planets > > with ketu. > > > > Let us take a case which i had mentioned in the past too.Sun joining > > Karakamsha will give political connections - Most translators have > > interpreted this as Sun joining Atmakaraka in the navamsha.This is not > > correct,as, then all with Sun as Atmakaraka will have political > > connections. > > [s.Rath:] 'political connection' is not what was meant by the > > translation.' > > Pradeep:Sorry it is not connections but political activities > > itself.Still i feel there is a point. > > > > We have only 12 Rashis.The rashi on to which Atmakaraka graha has > > navamsha becomes Karakamsha Rashi.If Sun is placed in this Rashi,then > > the yoga applies. > > [s.Rath:] There is a difference between Karakamsa and Karakamsaka ...see > > the additional 'ka' used in the end. Similarly there is a difference > > between Lagnamsa and Lagnamsaka where the last word has a 'ka' attached > > in the end implying that the sign is taken back to the rashi chart. So > > lagnamsaka dasa is a dasa used in the rashi chart. You are trying to use > > Karakamsa rules for Karakamsaka rashi. I think you are completely > > confused about all these basics. Let us be clear on terminology first. > > > > Pradeep:These are essentially the same.Karakamsha is pointing to the > > amsha of karaka graha.Karakamsha''ka'' is the proper grammatic form to > > represent the rashi on to which it has amsha.For me these transfering > > back to ''Rashi''does not happen at all.It is always happening in the > > same 12 rashis,but different kinds of sambandhas.If we write > > navamsha/dashamsha etc along with natal position in the chart,how untidy > > and cumbersome it would be.Those who try to understand in a > > comprehensive way will find all part of the same framework.It depends on > > the speed of rashis,w.r to harmonics of various divisionals. I feel am > > not confused at all.If i say it is your assumption to think of graha > > drishti in varga arrangements - can you correct me.Parashara has never > > mentioned about any such charts.Graha drishti fundamentals can never > > digest these aspects. > > > > Shani joining Karakamsha rashi - fame and doing well in his line of > > occupation.It is very clear that,the rashi on to which Atmakaraka graha > > has amsha is the environment where the aatma or soul has applied > > prana/life(navamshas are navapranas).If a hardworking planet like Saturn > > is there to promote the desire of soul,will not that person become > > famous in his line? > > [s.Rath:] Why do you assume this? Do you not know that behind the > > success of any and every human being stands 90% hard work (saturn) and > > only 10% luck and other factors. So will Shani not give fame in one line > > of work simply because the native puts his heart and soul behind the > > work. > > > > > > This is not at all a personal criticism but an astrological > > disagreement.If shri Rath finds time to reply ,it will be highly > > beneficial for the astrological community. > > [s.Rath:] Replied today...but don't waste time without reading the > > archives of the various groups. I have answered these questions so many > > times. Perhaps you should get in touch with someone like Jaan (Umesh > > Kulasingham) or Visti who can mail you a CD with all my old mails. > > > > Pradeep:I can get the CD's if you think i will get some answers with > > classical references,regarding usage of a)divisional charts b) Rashi > > drishti usage in navamsha.Else you too might agree,if i treat your > > views as assumptions:-).I have read archives and various sites/articles > > from you,but never there was any explanations meeting my questions. > > > > Pradeep, that will help you. > > > > Have a nice day but do keep reading...even if I am not going to be > > finding time to answer to you due to my so many other commitments. > > > > Thanks again for your valuale time. > > It is my feeling that, as Karakas are based on the degrees planets have > > traversed in signs,Rashi dashas(Jaimini) along with such karakas and > > Rashi aspects forms completely a different sysytem as compared to > > nakshthra dashas,advised by Parashara. > > > > > *tat savitur varenyam* > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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