Guest guest Posted March 25, 2009 Report Share Posted March 25, 2009 All Senior KP members,Hello to all of you. If a person first child is dead by Birth,and he wants to know when he will become Father.In such type of situations which house should we consider for birth of child- 5th or 7th cusp. We consider 7th cusp as second child because first one is no more and person wants his desire to be fulfilled,initially his wish was not fulfilled. Will we consider 5th cusp as birth of child.Here I am bit confused,so pls guide me. Best Regards Vinod Verma Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Invite them now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 26, 2009 Report Share Posted March 26, 2009 The 7th normally, but 5th will also be indicated, as ahouse for Children, in general. raichur anant --- On Thu, 26/3/09, Vinod Verma <vinodverma236 wrote: Vinod Verma <vinodverma236 Child Birth after 1st one is dead Date: Thursday, 26 March, 2009, 1:08 AM All Senior KP members,Hello to all of you. If a person first child is dead by Birth,and he wants to know when he will become Father.In such type of situations which house should we consider for birth of child- 5th or 7th cusp. We consider 7th cusp as second child because first one is no more and person wants his desire to be fulfilled,initially his wish was not fulfilled. Will we consider 5th cusp as birth of child.Here I am bit confused,so pls guide me. Best Regards Vinod Verma Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Invite them now. Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Invite them now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 26, 2009 Report Share Posted March 26, 2009 Death by born means, alive birth in the womb.so take 7th.sunaparanthaVinod Verma <vinodverma236 Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2009 1:08:07 AM Child Birth after 1st one is dead All Senior KP members,Hello to all of you. If a person first child is dead by Birth,and he wants to know when he will become Father.In such type of situations which house should we consider for birth of child- 5th or 7th cusp. We consider 7th cusp as second child because first one is no more and person wants his desire to be fulfilled,initially his wish was not fulfilled. Will we consider 5th cusp as birth of child.Here I am bit confused,so pls guide me. Best Regards Vinod Verma Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Invite them now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 3, 2009 Report Share Posted April 3, 2009 Dear MR. Vinod Verma, Whether the first child is alive or not the creteria. Even if the conception takes place it is considered as child and then we have to calculate 5/7/9/11 like that as per kp. tfyki wkr Padmakar Duvva 09884807575 , Vinod Verma <vinodverma236 wrote: > > All Senior KP members,Hello to all of you. > If a person first child is dead by Birth,and he wants to know when he will become Father.In such type of situations which house should we consider for birth of child- 5th or 7th cusp. > We consider 7th cusp as second child because first one is no more and person wants his desire to be fulfilled,initially his wish was not fulfilled. Will we consider 5th cusp as birth of child.Here I am bit confused,so pls guide me. > Best Regards > Vinod Verma > > > From Chandigarh to Chennai - find friends all over India. Go to http://in.promos./groups/citygroups/ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 4, 2009 Report Share Posted April 4, 2009 Dear MR. Vinod Verma In KP system first child is 5th cusp sub lord,2nd one is 7,like that, if first child is alive or dead by birth or abortion we have to calculate 5th cusp only, and then next child is 7th cusb,if the second child is alive or dead by birth or abortion we have to calculate 7h cusp only like that 9 & 11. Best Regards K.RAJA --- > > > > > --- > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 5, 2009 Report Share Posted April 5, 2009 Dear Raja Abortion when? Within two months or three months or four months or five months. Dhanabalan--- On Sat, 4/4/09, kkrsaro <kkrsaro wrote: kkrsaro <kkrsaro Re: Child Birth after 1st one is dead Date: Saturday, April 4, 2009, 5:17 AM Dear MR. Vinod VermaIn KP system first child is 5th cusp sub lord,2nd oneis 7,like that, if first child is alive or dead by birth or abortion wehave to calculate 5th cusp only, and then next child is 7th cusb,if thesecond child is alive or dead by birth or abortion we have to calculate7h cusp only like that 9 & 11.Best RegardsK.RAJA--->>>>>>>>>>>> --->> >> >>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 9, 2009 Report Share Posted April 9, 2009 Dear Sirs, When the faetus is expelled before 28 weeks of conception then we call it an abortion. If it is expelled between 28 weeks to full term it shall be called Pre-mature delivery. 280 days( +/- 7 days) of conception is full-term delivery. This is only for information and in no way to be taged with the opinion of K Rajaji. With regards. Dr. Rath Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan Sent: Sunday, April 5, 2009 7:55:17 AMRe: Re: Child Birth after 1st one is dead Dear Raja Abortion when? Within two months or three months or four months or five months. Dhanabalan--- On Sat, 4/4/09, kkrsaro <kkrsaro > wrote: kkrsaro <kkrsaro > Re: Child Birth after 1st one is dead@gro ups.comSaturday, April 4, 2009, 5:17 AM Dear MR. Vinod VermaIn KP system first child is 5th cusp sub lord,2nd oneis 7,like that, if first child is alive or dead by birth or abortion wehave to calculate 5th cusp only, and then next child is 7th cusb,if thesecond child is alive or dead by birth or abortion we have to calculate7h cusp only like that 9 & 11.Best RegardsK.RAJA--->>>>>>>>>>>> --->> >> >>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 9, 2009 Report Share Posted April 9, 2009 > Dear Sri Dhanabalanji If first child take abortion after four months,we have to calculate 5th sub only and then we have to see next child to 7th,like this With regards. K.RAJA > > > > > > __ > > > > > --- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 9, 2009 Report Share Posted April 9, 2009 Dear Lutherji If a lady gets abortioned within 3 months, whether the 7th house should be considered for the next child or 5th house? Dhanabalan--- On Thu, 4/9/09, Luther Rath <rathluther wrote: Luther Rath <rathlutherRe: Re: Child Birth after 1st one is dead Date: Thursday, April 9, 2009, 3:44 AM Dear Sirs, When the faetus is expelled before 28 weeks of conception then we call it an abortion. If it is expelled between 28 weeks to full term it shall be called Pre-mature delivery. 280 days( +/- 7 days) of conception is full-term delivery. This is only for information and in no way to be taged with the opinion of K Rajaji. With regards. Dr. Rath Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ >@gro ups.comSunday, April 5, 2009 7:55:17 AMRe: Re: Child Birth after 1st one is dead Dear Raja Abortion when? Within two months or three months or four months or five months. Dhanabalan--- On Sat, 4/4/09, kkrsaro <kkrsaro > wrote: kkrsaro <kkrsaro > Re: Child Birth after 1st one is dead@gro ups.comSaturday, April 4, 2009, 5:17 AM Dear MR. Vinod VermaIn KP system first child is 5th cusp sub lord,2nd oneis 7,like that, if first child is alive or dead by birth or abortion wehave to calculate 5th cusp only, and then next child is 7th cusb,if thesecond child is alive or dead by birth or abortion we have to calculate7h cusp only like that 9 & 11.Best RegardsK.RAJA--->>>>>>>>>>>> --->> >> >>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 10, 2009 Report Share Posted April 10, 2009 Dear Sir, Good Morning. We all are aware that life begins instantly at the time of implanatation of the fertilised ovum in the uterus of the mother. The embryo begins to live as the future child of the parents. The embryo grows to faetus stage and when it takes birth it is a baby and then the development goes on. So 'Embryo', faetus' and 'Baby' are three different stages of development of the child. Birth is a phase of transformation only. Its the time when the child becomes independent of the mother. So in which ever stage the child dies it is death of one offspring of the parents. So, on the event of an abortion one child passes away. Hence VII has to be taken for the next one. This is my opinion rather. With due regards. Dr. Rath. Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan Sent: Thursday, April 9, 2009 5:40:21 PMRe: Re: Child Birth after 1st one is dead Dear Lutherji If a lady gets abortioned within 3 months, whether the 7th house should be considered for the next child or 5th house? Dhanabalan--- On Thu, 4/9/09, Luther Rath <rathluther > wrote: Luther Rath <rathluther >Re: Re: Child Birth after 1st one is dead@gro ups.comThursday, April 9, 2009, 3:44 AM Dear Sirs, When the faetus is expelled before 28 weeks of conception then we call it an abortion. If it is expelled between 28 weeks to full term it shall be called Pre-mature delivery. 280 days( +/- 7 days) of conception is full-term delivery. This is only for information and in no way to be taged with the opinion of K Rajaji. With regards. Dr. Rath Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ >@gro ups.comSunday, April 5, 2009 7:55:17 AMRe: Re: Child Birth after 1st one is dead Dear Raja Abortion when? Within two months or three months or four months or five months. Dhanabalan--- On Sat, 4/4/09, kkrsaro <kkrsaro > wrote: kkrsaro <kkrsaro > Re: Child Birth after 1st one is dead@gro ups.comSaturday, April 4, 2009, 5:17 AM Dear MR. Vinod VermaIn KP system first child is 5th cusp sub lord,2nd oneis 7,like that, if first child is alive or dead by birth or abortion wehave to calculate 5th cusp only, and then next child is 7th cusb,if thesecond child is alive or dead by birth or abortion we have to calculate7h cusp only like that 9 & 11.Best RegardsK.RAJA--->>>>>>>>>>>> --->> >> >>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 10, 2009 Report Share Posted April 10, 2009 Dear Raja Ji,I am waiting for ur BTR, for which I have forward all particulars.RegdsSunaparantha. kkrsaro <kkrsaro Sent: Thursday, April 9, 2009 5:21:35 PM Re: Child Birth after 1st one is dead > Dear Sri Dhanabalanji If first child take abortion after four months,we have to calculate 5th sub only and then we have to see next child to 7th,like this With regards. K.RAJA > > > > > > __ > > > > > --- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 10, 2009 Report Share Posted April 10, 2009 Dear Dr. Rath,In some occasions the abortion takes place even without the notice of the mother with irregular cycles and she could not identify that she carries embryo and later it got aborted.Hope more practical explanations will help.!? Thanks and RegardsAdith On Fri, Apr 10, 2009 at 5:57 AM, Luther Rath <rathluther wrote: Dear Sir, Good Morning. We all are aware that life begins instantly at the time of implanatation of the fertilised ovum in the uterus of the mother. The embryo begins to live as the future child of the parents. The embryo grows to faetus stage and when it takes birth it is a baby and then the development goes on. So 'Embryo', faetus' and 'Baby' are three different stages of development of the child. Birth is a phase of transformation only. Its the time when the child becomes independent of the mother. So in which ever stage the child dies it is death of one offspring of the parents. So, on the event of an abortion one child passes away. Hence VII has to be taken for the next one. This is my opinion rather. With due regards. Dr. Rath. Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan Thursday, April 9, 2009 5:40:21 PMRe: Re: Child Birth after 1st one is dead Dear Lutherji If a lady gets abortioned within 3 months, whether the 7th house should be considered for the next child or 5th house? Dhanabalan--- On Thu, 4/9/09, Luther Rath <rathluther > wrote: Luther Rath <rathluther >Re: Re: Child Birth after 1st one is dead@gro ups.com Thursday, April 9, 2009, 3:44 AM Dear Sirs, When the faetus is expelled before 28 weeks of conception then we call it an abortion. If it is expelled between 28 weeks to full term it shall be called Pre-mature delivery. 280 days( +/- 7 days) of conception is full-term delivery. This is only for information and in no way to be taged with the opinion of K Rajaji. With regards. Dr. Rath Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ >@gro ups.com Sunday, April 5, 2009 7:55:17 AMRe: Re: Child Birth after 1st one is dead Dear Raja Abortion when? Within two months or three months or four months or five months. Dhanabalan--- On Sat, 4/4/09, kkrsaro <kkrsaro > wrote: kkrsaro <kkrsaro > Re: Child Birth after 1st one is dead@gro ups.com Saturday, April 4, 2009, 5:17 AM Dear MR. Vinod VermaIn KP system first child is 5th cusp sub lord,2nd oneis 7,like that, if first child is alive or dead by birth or abortion wehave to calculate 5th cusp only, and then next child is 7th cusb,if the second child is alive or dead by birth or abortion we have to calculate7h cusp only like that 9 & 11.Best RegardsK.RAJA--->>>>>>>>> >>> --->> >> >>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 10, 2009 Report Share Posted April 10, 2009 Dear Dr.Rath Ji, Is this view of KP or Vedic Astrology view ? Regds. Naidu KP. K. P. Naidu,Flat E-1, Prince Aptmts.,Nowroji Road,Maharanipeta,VISAKHAPATNAM 530002.Phone Resi: 0891-2712591.--- On Fri, 10/4/09, Luther Rath <rathluther wrote: Luther Rath <rathlutherRe: Re: Child Birth after 1st one is dead Date: Friday, 10 April, 2009, 5:57 AM Dear Sir, Good Morning. We all are aware that life begins instantly at the time of implanatation of the fertilised ovum in the uterus of the mother. The embryo begins to live as the future child of the parents. The embryo grows to faetus stage and when it takes birth it is a baby and then the development goes on. So 'Embryo', faetus' and 'Baby' are three different stages of development of the child. Birth is a phase of transformation only. Its the time when the child becomes independent of the mother. So in which ever stage the child dies it is death of one offspring of the parents. So, on the event of an abortion one child passes away. Hence VII has to be taken for the next one. This is my opinion rather. With due regards. Dr. Rath. Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ >@gro ups.comThursday, April 9, 2009 5:40:21 PMRe: Re: Child Birth after 1st one is dead Dear Lutherji If a lady gets abortioned within 3 months, whether the 7th house should be considered for the next child or 5th house? Dhanabalan--- On Thu, 4/9/09, Luther Rath <rathluther > wrote: Luther Rath <rathluther >Re: Re: Child Birth after 1st one is dead@gro ups.comThursday, April 9, 2009, 3:44 AM Dear Sirs, When the faetus is expelled before 28 weeks of conception then we call it an abortion. If it is expelled between 28 weeks to full term it shall be called Pre-mature delivery. 280 days( +/- 7 days) of conception is full-term delivery. This is only for information and in no way to be taged with the opinion of K Rajaji. With regards. Dr. Rath Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ >@gro ups.comSunday, April 5, 2009 7:55:17 AMRe: Re: Child Birth after 1st one is dead Dear Raja Abortion when? Within two months or three months or four months or five months. Dhanabalan--- On Sat, 4/4/09, kkrsaro <kkrsaro > wrote: kkrsaro <kkrsaro > Re: Child Birth after 1st one is dead@gro ups.comSaturday, April 4, 2009, 5:17 AM Dear MR. Vinod VermaIn KP system first child is 5th cusp sub lord,2nd oneis 7,like that, if first child is alive or dead by birth or abortion wehave to calculate 5th cusp only, and then next child is 7th cusb,if thesecond child is alive or dead by birth or abortion we have to calculate7h cusp only like that 9 & 11.Best RegardsK.RAJA--->>>>>>>>>>>> --->> >> >>> Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Invite them now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 11, 2009 Report Share Posted April 11, 2009 Dears Rathji and Naiduji, In my considered opinion,astrologically speaking, as per our revered Guruji,the late Jyotish Marthand K.S.Krishnamurthiji : "...a Human being begins living,from the moment he takes his first Breath..." This is,also the opinion of Vedic Astrology...infact,the discussion on the interesting topic ... "The Time of Epoch...etc" , The correct Time of Birth etc...by Guruji KSK , elaborated by the late M.P.Shanmugham,in his excellent book Astrosecrets & K.P., is recommended for study... With best wishes, L.Y.Rao. GOOD LUCK ! K. P. Naidu <konathalan Sent: Friday, 10 April, 2009 3:51:31 PMRe: Re: Child Birth after 1st one is dead Dear Dr.Rath Ji, Is this view of KP or Vedic Astrology view ? Regds. Naidu KP. K. P. Naidu,Flat E-1, Prince Aptmts.,Nowroji Road,Maharanipeta,VISAKHAPATNAM 530002.Phone Resi: 0891-2712591.--- On Fri, 10/4/09, Luther Rath <rathluther > wrote: Luther Rath <rathluther >Re: Re: Child Birth after 1st one is dead@gro ups.comFriday, 10 April, 2009, 5:57 AM Dear Sir, Good Morning. We all are aware that life begins instantly at the time of implanatation of the fertilised ovum in the uterus of the mother. The embryo begins to live as the future child of the parents. The embryo grows to faetus stage and when it takes birth it is a baby and then the development goes on. So 'Embryo', faetus' and 'Baby' are three different stages of development of the child. Birth is a phase of transformation only. Its the time when the child becomes independent of the mother. So in which ever stage the child dies it is death of one offspring of the parents. So, on the event of an abortion one child passes away. Hence VII has to be taken for the next one. This is my opinion rather. With due regards. Dr. Rath. Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ >@gro ups.comThursday, April 9, 2009 5:40:21 PMRe: Re: Child Birth after 1st one is dead Dear Lutherji If a lady gets abortioned within 3 months, whether the 7th house should be considered for the next child or 5th house? Dhanabalan--- On Thu, 4/9/09, Luther Rath <rathluther > wrote: Luther Rath <rathluther >Re: Re: Child Birth after 1st one is dead@gro ups.comThursday, April 9, 2009, 3:44 AM Dear Sirs, When the faetus is expelled before 28 weeks of conception then we call it an abortion. If it is expelled between 28 weeks to full term it shall be called Pre-mature delivery. 280 days( +/- 7 days) of conception is full-term delivery. This is only for information and in no way to be taged with the opinion of K Rajaji. With regards. Dr. Rath Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ >@gro ups.comSunday, April 5, 2009 7:55:17 AMRe: Re: Child Birth after 1st one is dead Dear Raja Abortion when? Within two months or three months or four months or five months. Dhanabalan--- On Sat, 4/4/09, kkrsaro <kkrsaro > wrote: kkrsaro <kkrsaro > Re: Child Birth after 1st one is dead@gro ups.comSaturday, April 4, 2009, 5:17 AM Dear MR. Vinod VermaIn KP system first child is 5th cusp sub lord,2nd oneis 7,like that, if first child is alive or dead by birth or abortion wehave to calculate 5th cusp only, and then next child is 7th cusb,if thesecond child is alive or dead by birth or abortion we have to calculate7h cusp only like that 9 & 11.Best RegardsK.RAJA--->>>>>>>>>>>> --->> >> >>> Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Invite them now. Bollywood news, movie reviews, film trailers and more! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 13, 2009 Report Share Posted April 13, 2009 Dear Adithji, It is definitely confusing when there is abortion before pregnancy is diagnosed. This often happens when there is abortion in early weeks of pregnancy. Usually arounf 6 to 8 weeks of conception if bleeding occurs the lady may consider it as a late menstruation particularly when henr periods come irregularly because of various reasons. I don't find any way to solve this problem. There are menas to dignose conception even during these early weeks but practly we mis many a times. In such cases we definitely err in accuracy. Dr. Rath. adith kasinath.g.k <gkadithkasinath Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 3:31:13 PMRe: Re: Child Birth after 1st one is dead Dear Dr. Rath,In some occasions the abortion takes place even without the notice of the mother with irregular cycles and she could not identify that she carries embryo and later it got aborted.Hope more practical explanations will help.!?Thanks and RegardsAdith On Fri, Apr 10, 2009 at 5:57 AM, Luther Rath <rathluther > wrote: Dear Sir, Good Morning. We all are aware that life begins instantly at the time of implanatation of the fertilised ovum in the uterus of the mother. The embryo begins to live as the future child of the parents. The embryo grows to faetus stage and when it takes birth it is a baby and then the development goes on. So 'Embryo', faetus' and 'Baby' are three different stages of development of the child. Birth is a phase of transformation only. Its the time when the child becomes independent of the mother. So in which ever stage the child dies it is death of one offspring of the parents. So, on the event of an abortion one child passes away. Hence VII has to be taken for the next one. This is my opinion rather. With due regards. Dr. Rath. Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ >@gro ups.comThursday, April 9, 2009 5:40:21 PM Re: Re: Child Birth after 1st one is dead Dear Lutherji If a lady gets abortioned within 3 months, whether the 7th house should be considered for the next child or 5th house? Dhanabalan--- On Thu, 4/9/09, Luther Rath <rathluther > wrote: Luther Rath <rathluther >Re: Re: Child Birth after 1st one is dead@gro ups.com Thursday, April 9, 2009, 3:44 AM Dear Sirs, When the faetus is expelled before 28 weeks of conception then we call it an abortion.. If it is expelled between 28 weeks to full term it shall be called Pre-mature delivery. 280 days( +/- 7 days) of conception is full-term delivery. This is only for information and in no way to be taged with the opinion of K Rajaji. With regards. Dr. Rath Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ >@gro ups.comSunday, April 5, 2009 7:55:17 AMRe: Re: Child Birth after 1st one is dead Dear Raja Abortion when? Within two months or three months or four months or five months. Dhanabalan--- On Sat, 4/4/09, kkrsaro <kkrsaro > wrote: kkrsaro <kkrsaro > Re: Child Birth after 1st one is dead@gro ups.comSaturday, April 4, 2009, 5:17 AM Dear MR. Vinod VermaIn KP system first child is 5th cusp sub lord,2nd oneis 7,like that, if first child is alive or dead by birth or abortion wehave to calculate 5th cusp only, and then next child is 7th cusb,if thesecond child is alive or dead by birth or abortion we have to calculate7h cusp only like that 9 & 11.Best RegardsK.RAJA--->>>>>>>>>>>> --->> >> >>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 13, 2009 Report Share Posted April 13, 2009 Dear Sir, This is neither KP nor Vedic. It is science and Medical Science. We have to consider such scientific basics also. Almost always we have to base on Astronomical Science, Medical science, existant laws for cases of litigation, common sense in general issues. with due regards. Dr. Rath. K. P. Naidu <konathalan Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 3:51:31 PMRe: Re: Child Birth after 1st one is dead Dear Dr.Rath Ji, Is this view of KP or Vedic Astrology view ? Regds. Naidu KP. K. P. Naidu,Flat E-1, Prince Aptmts.,Nowroji Road,Maharanipeta,VISAKHAPATNAM 530002.Phone Resi: 0891-2712591.--- On Fri, 10/4/09, Luther Rath <rathluther > wrote: Luther Rath <rathluther >Re: Re: Child Birth after 1st one is dead@gro ups.comFriday, 10 April, 2009, 5:57 AM Dear Sir, Good Morning. We all are aware that life begins instantly at the time of implanatation of the fertilised ovum in the uterus of the mother. The embryo begins to live as the future child of the parents. The embryo grows to faetus stage and when it takes birth it is a baby and then the development goes on. So 'Embryo', faetus' and 'Baby' are three different stages of development of the child. Birth is a phase of transformation only. Its the time when the child becomes independent of the mother. So in which ever stage the child dies it is death of one offspring of the parents. So, on the event of an abortion one child passes away. Hence VII has to be taken for the next one. This is my opinion rather. With due regards. Dr. Rath. Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ >@gro ups.comThursday, April 9, 2009 5:40:21 PMRe: Re: Child Birth after 1st one is dead Dear Lutherji If a lady gets abortioned within 3 months, whether the 7th house should be considered for the next child or 5th house? Dhanabalan--- On Thu, 4/9/09, Luther Rath <rathluther > wrote: Luther Rath <rathluther >Re: Re: Child Birth after 1st one is dead@gro ups.comThursday, April 9, 2009, 3:44 AM Dear Sirs, When the faetus is expelled before 28 weeks of conception then we call it an abortion. If it is expelled between 28 weeks to full term it shall be called Pre-mature delivery. 280 days( +/- 7 days) of conception is full-term delivery. This is only for information and in no way to be taged with the opinion of K Rajaji. With regards. Dr. Rath Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ >@gro ups.comSunday, April 5, 2009 7:55:17 AMRe: Re: Child Birth after 1st one is dead Dear Raja Abortion when? Within two months or three months or four months or five months. Dhanabalan--- On Sat, 4/4/09, kkrsaro <kkrsaro > wrote: kkrsaro <kkrsaro > Re: Child Birth after 1st one is dead@gro ups.comSaturday, April 4, 2009, 5:17 AM Dear MR. Vinod VermaIn KP system first child is 5th cusp sub lord,2nd oneis 7,like that, if first child is alive or dead by birth or abortion wehave to calculate 5th cusp only, and then next child is 7th cusb,if thesecond child is alive or dead by birth or abortion we have to calculate7h cusp only like that 9 & 11.Best RegardsK.RAJA--->>>>>>>>>>>> --->> >> >>> Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Invite them now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 13, 2009 Report Share Posted April 13, 2009 Respected Sir, The time of epoch, the time of conception, time of birth all are inter related. We are not able to fix the times of the first two. It is easier to find out the third one so we consider it for erection of horoscope of the native. We can never say when the couple met, when the ovum was fertilised, when the fertilised ovum was implanted in the uterus. On the other hand we can know when the child was born and when it breathed in for the first time.It is up to the individual astrologer how he consider the things. Dr. Rath. Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1 Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2009 11:35:00 AMRe: Re: Child Birth after 1st one is dead Dears Rathji and Naiduji, In my considered opinion,astrologically speaking, as per our revered Guruji,the late Jyotish Marthand K.S.Krishnamurthiji : "...a Human being begins living,from the moment he takes his first Breath..." This is,also the opinion of Vedic Astrology...infact,the discussion on the interesting topic ... "The Time of Epoch...etc" , The correct Time of Birth etc...by Guruji KSK , elaborated by the late M.P.Shanmugham, in his excellent book Astrosecrets & K.P., is recommended for study... With best wishes, L.Y.Rao. GOOD LUCK ! K. P. Naidu <konathalan (AT) (DOT) co.in>@gro ups.comFriday, 10 April, 2009 3:51:31 PMRe: Re: Child Birth after 1st one is dead Dear Dr.Rath Ji, Is this view of KP or Vedic Astrology view ? Regds. Naidu KP. K. P. Naidu,Flat E-1, Prince Aptmts.,Nowroji Road,Maharanipeta,VISAKHAPATNAM 530002.Phone Resi: 0891-2712591.--- On Fri, 10/4/09, Luther Rath <rathluther (AT) (DOT) . com> wrote: Luther Rath <rathluther >Re: Re: Child Birth after 1st one is dead@gro ups.comFriday, 10 April, 2009, 5:57 AM Dear Sir, Good Morning. We all are aware that life begins instantly at the time of implanatation of the fertilised ovum in the uterus of the mother. The embryo begins to live as the future child of the parents. The embryo grows to faetus stage and when it takes birth it is a baby and then the development goes on. So 'Embryo', faetus' and 'Baby' are three different stages of development of the child. Birth is a phase of transformation only. Its the time when the child becomes independent of the mother. So in which ever stage the child dies it is death of one offspring of the parents. So, on the event of an abortion one child passes away. Hence VII has to be taken for the next one. This is my opinion rather. With due regards. Dr. Rath. Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ >@gro ups.comThursday, April 9, 2009 5:40:21 PMRe: Re: Child Birth after 1st one is dead Dear Lutherji If a lady gets abortioned within 3 months, whether the 7th house should be considered for the next child or 5th house? Dhanabalan--- On Thu, 4/9/09, Luther Rath <rathluther > wrote: Luther Rath <rathluther >Re: Re: Child Birth after 1st one is dead@gro ups.comThursday, April 9, 2009, 3:44 AM Dear Sirs, When the faetus is expelled before 28 weeks of conception then we call it an abortion. If it is expelled between 28 weeks to full term it shall be called Pre-mature delivery. 280 days( +/- 7 days) of conception is full-term delivery. This is only for information and in no way to be taged with the opinion of K Rajaji. With regards. Dr. Rath Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ >@gro ups.comSunday, April 5, 2009 7:55:17 AMRe: Re: Child Birth after 1st one is dead Dear Raja Abortion when? Within two months or three months or four months or five months. Dhanabalan--- On Sat, 4/4/09, kkrsaro <kkrsaro > wrote: kkrsaro <kkrsaro > Re: Child Birth after 1st one is dead@gro ups.comSaturday, April 4, 2009, 5:17 AM Dear MR. Vinod VermaIn KP system first child is 5th cusp sub lord,2nd oneis 7,like that, if first child is alive or dead by birth or abortion wehave to calculate 5th cusp only, and then next child is 7th cusb,if thesecond child is alive or dead by birth or abortion we have to calculate7h cusp only like that 9 & 11.Best RegardsK.RAJA--->>>>>>>>>>>> --->> >> >>> Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Invite them now. Bollywood news, movie reviews, film trailers and more! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 13, 2009 Report Share Posted April 13, 2009 Yes Dr.Rath Ji it is impossible to find out the time of epoch and time of conception. But the time of birth may be possible to find out but it is noit so easy as mentioned by you. Practically this is also not possible to record the time of birth up to exact minutes/seconds. Is it practically easy to find out exactly the time of first breath ? whether it is 1st breath or second breath by the time we notice/record the time. In my case earlier quoted in this forum, my grand daughter immediately after birth, oxygen was supplied through her nose and moved to ICU and kept in incubation. what is the time of 1st breath in this case, frankly speaking is not easy to say. For theoriticaly argument, considering the time of 1st breath as Birth Time, sounds well, but it is not so easy practically. Let us admit franly the TRUTH. Regtards Naidu KP K. P. Naidu,Flat E-1, Prince Aptmts.,Nowroji Road,Maharanipeta,VISAKHAPATNAM 530002.Phone Resi: 0891-2712591.--- On Mon, 13/4/09, Luther Rath <rathluther wrote: Luther Rath <rathlutherRe: Re: Child Birth after 1st one is dead Date: Monday, 13 April, 2009, 9:22 AM Respected Sir, The time of epoch, the time of conception, time of birth all are inter related. We are not able to fix the times of the first two. It is easier to find out the third one so we consider it for erection of horoscope of the native. We can never say when the couple met, when the ovum was fertilised, when the fertilised ovum was implanted in the uterus. On the other hand we can know when the child was born and when it breathed in for the first time.It is up to the individual astrologer how he consider the things. Dr. Rath. Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1 (AT) (DOT) co.in>@gro ups.comSaturday, April 11, 2009 11:35:00 AMRe: Re: Child Birth after 1st one is dead Dears Rathji and Naiduji, In my considered opinion,astrologically speaking, as per our revered Guruji,the late Jyotish Marthand K.S.Krishnamurthiji : "...a Human being begins living,from the moment he takes his first Breath..." This is,also the opinion of Vedic Astrology...infact,the discussion on the interesting topic ... "The Time of Epoch...etc" , The correct Time of Birth etc...by Guruji KSK , elaborated by the late M.P.Shanmugham, in his excellent book Astrosecrets & K.P., is recommended for study... With best wishes, L.Y.Rao. GOOD LUCK ! K. P. Naidu <konathalan (AT) (DOT) co.in>@gro ups.comFriday, 10 April, 2009 3:51:31 PMRe: Re: Child Birth after 1st one is dead Dear Dr.Rath Ji, Is this view of KP or Vedic Astrology view ? Regds. Naidu KP. K. P. Naidu,Flat E-1, Prince Aptmts.,Nowroji Road,Maharanipeta,VISAKHAPATNAM 530002.Phone Resi: 0891-2712591.--- On Fri, 10/4/09, Luther Rath <rathluther (AT) (DOT) . com> wrote: Luther Rath <rathluther >Re: Re: Child Birth after 1st one is dead@gro ups.comFriday, 10 April, 2009, 5:57 AM Dear Sir, Good Morning. We all are aware that life begins instantly at the time of implanatation of the fertilised ovum in the uterus of the mother. The embryo begins to live as the future child of the parents. The embryo grows to faetus stage and when it takes birth it is a baby and then the development goes on. So 'Embryo', faetus' and 'Baby' are three different stages of development of the child. Birth is a phase of transformation only. Its the time when the child becomes independent of the mother. So in which ever stage the child dies it is death of one offspring of the parents. So, on the event of an abortion one child passes away. Hence VII has to be taken for the next one. This is my opinion rather. With due regards. Dr. Rath. Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ >@gro ups.comThursday, April 9, 2009 5:40:21 PMRe: Re: Child Birth after 1st one is dead Dear Lutherji If a lady gets abortioned within 3 months, whether the 7th house should be considered for the next child or 5th house? Dhanabalan--- On Thu, 4/9/09, Luther Rath <rathluther > wrote: Luther Rath <rathluther >Re: Re: Child Birth after 1st one is dead@gro ups.comThursday, April 9, 2009, 3:44 AM Dear Sirs, When the faetus is expelled before 28 weeks of conception then we call it an abortion. If it is expelled between 28 weeks to full term it shall be called Pre-mature delivery. 280 days( +/- 7 days) of conception is full-term delivery. This is only for information and in no way to be taged with the opinion of K Rajaji. With regards. Dr. Rath Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ >@gro ups.comSunday, April 5, 2009 7:55:17 AMRe: Re: Child Birth after 1st one is dead Dear Raja Abortion when? Within two months or three months or four months or five months. Dhanabalan--- On Sat, 4/4/09, kkrsaro <kkrsaro > wrote: kkrsaro <kkrsaro > Re: Child Birth after 1st one is dead@gro ups.comSaturday, April 4, 2009, 5:17 AM Dear MR. Vinod VermaIn KP system first child is 5th cusp sub lord,2nd oneis 7,like that, if first child is alive or dead by birth or abortion wehave to calculate 5th cusp only, and then next child is 7th cusb,if thesecond child is alive or dead by birth or abortion we have to calculate7h cusp only like that 9 & 11.Best RegardsK.RAJA--->>>>>>>>>>>> --->> >> >>> Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Invite them now. Bollywood news, movie reviews, film trailers and more! Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Invite them now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 13, 2009 Report Share Posted April 13, 2009 Dear Dr.Rath,I agree with you sir!I hope 5th cusp can also be considered in all cases which will be of useful!Thanks and RegardsAdithOn Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 9:09 AM, Luther Rath <rathluther wrote: Dear Adithji, It is definitely confusing when there is abortion before pregnancy is diagnosed. This often happens when there is abortion in early weeks of pregnancy. Usually arounf 6 to 8 weeks of conception if bleeding occurs the lady may consider it as a late menstruation particularly when henr periods come irregularly because of various reasons. I don't find any way to solve this problem. There are menas to dignose conception even during these early weeks but practly we mis many a times. In such cases we definitely err in accuracy. Dr. Rath. adith kasinath.g.k <gkadithkasinath Friday, April 10, 2009 3:31:13 PMRe: Re: Child Birth after 1st one is dead Dear Dr. Rath,In some occasions the abortion takes place even without the notice of the mother with irregular cycles and she could not identify that she carries embryo and later it got aborted. Hope more practical explanations will help.!?Thanks and RegardsAdith On Fri, Apr 10, 2009 at 5:57 AM, Luther Rath <rathluther > wrote: Dear Sir, Good Morning. We all are aware that life begins instantly at the time of implanatation of the fertilised ovum in the uterus of the mother. The embryo begins to live as the future child of the parents. The embryo grows to faetus stage and when it takes birth it is a baby and then the development goes on. So 'Embryo', faetus' and 'Baby' are three different stages of development of the child. Birth is a phase of transformation only. Its the time when the child becomes independent of the mother. So in which ever stage the child dies it is death of one offspring of the parents. So, on the event of an abortion one child passes away. Hence VII has to be taken for the next one. This is my opinion rather. With due regards. Dr. Rath. Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ >@gro ups.com Thursday, April 9, 2009 5:40:21 PM Re: Re: Child Birth after 1st one is dead Dear Lutherji If a lady gets abortioned within 3 months, whether the 7th house should be considered for the next child or 5th house? Dhanabalan--- On Thu, 4/9/09, Luther Rath <rathluther > wrote: Luther Rath <rathluther >Re: Re: Child Birth after 1st one is dead@gro ups.com Thursday, April 9, 2009, 3:44 AM Dear Sirs, When the faetus is expelled before 28 weeks of conception then we call it an abortion.. If it is expelled between 28 weeks to full term it shall be called Pre-mature delivery. 280 days( +/- 7 days) of conception is full-term delivery. This is only for information and in no way to be taged with the opinion of K Rajaji. With regards. Dr. Rath Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ >@gro ups.com Sunday, April 5, 2009 7:55:17 AMRe: Re: Child Birth after 1st one is dead Dear Raja Abortion when? Within two months or three months or four months or five months. Dhanabalan--- On Sat, 4/4/09, kkrsaro <kkrsaro > wrote: kkrsaro <kkrsaro > Re: Child Birth after 1st one is dead@gro ups.com Saturday, April 4, 2009, 5:17 AM Dear MR. Vinod VermaIn KP system first child is 5th cusp sub lord,2nd oneis 7,like that, if first child is alive or dead by birth or abortion wehave to calculate 5th cusp only, and then next child is 7th cusb,if the second child is alive or dead by birth or abortion we have to calculate7h cusp only like that 9 & 11.Best RegardsK.RAJA--->>>>>>>>> >>> --->> >> >>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 14, 2009 Report Share Posted April 14, 2009 Dear Naiduji, Yes. What you say is quite right. Unless the attendants are aware of the importance of first breath they do mis it. and it usually happens so. But it is relatively easier to know this than to know the other times. In case of hanging or smoothering or strangling (suffocation) the person dies if the obstruction is more than 2 minutes. If we consider this in case of a sstill born, if the baby does not take respiration in 2 minutes it shall be very difficult to revive it. So the first breath should be with in 2 minutes of exposure of the body of the baby to the external atmosphere. We may relax this time limit for a further of 2 to 3 minutes. It should not be more than that. Technicaly it should be 2 minutes only. With regards. Dr. Rath. K. P. Naidu <konathalan Sent: Monday, April 13, 2009 7:53:20 PMRe: Re: Child Birth after 1st one is dead Yes Dr.Rath Ji it is impossible to find out the time of epoch and time of conception. But the time of birth may be possible to find out but it is noit so easy as mentioned by you. Practically this is also not possible to record the time of birth up to exact minutes/seconds. Is it practically easy to find out exactly the time of first breath ? whether it is 1st breath or second breath by the time we notice/record the time. In my case earlier quoted in this forum, my grand daughter immediately after birth, oxygen was supplied through her nose and moved to ICU and kept in incubation. what is the time of 1st breath in this case, frankly speaking is not easy to say. For theoriticaly argument, considering the time of 1st breath as Birth Time, sounds well, but it is not so easy practically. Let us admit franly the TRUTH. Regtards Naidu KP K. P. Naidu,Flat E-1, Prince Aptmts.,Nowroji Road,Maharanipeta,VISAKHAPATNAM 530002.Phone Resi: 0891-2712591.--- On Mon, 13/4/09, Luther Rath <rathluther > wrote: Luther Rath <rathluther >Re: Re: Child Birth after 1st one is dead@gro ups..comMonday, 13 April, 2009, 9:22 AM Respected Sir, The time of epoch, the time of conception, time of birth all are inter related. We are not able to fix the times of the first two. It is easier to find out the third one so we consider it for erection of horoscope of the native. We can never say when the couple met, when the ovum was fertilised, when the fertilised ovum was implanted in the uterus. On the other hand we can know when the child was born and when it breathed in for the first time.It is up to the individual astrologer how he consider the things.. Dr. Rath. Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1 (AT) (DOT) co.in>@gro ups.comSaturday, April 11, 2009 11:35:00 AMRe: Re: Child Birth after 1st one is dead Dears Rathji and Naiduji, In my considered opinion,astrologically speaking, as per our revered Guruji,the late Jyotish Marthand K.S.Krishnamurthiji : "....a Human being begins living,from the moment he takes his first Breath..." This is,also the opinion of Vedic Astrology...infact,the discussion on the interesting topic ... "The Time of Epoch...etc" , The correct Time of Birth etc...by Guruji KSK , elaborated by the late M.P.Shanmugham, in his excellent book Astrosecrets & K.P., is recommended for study.... With best wishes, L.Y.Rao. GOOD LUCK ! K. P. Naidu <konathalan (AT) (DOT) co.in>@gro ups.comFriday, 10 April, 2009 3:51:31 PMRe: Re: Child Birth after 1st one is dead Dear Dr.Rath Ji, Is this view of KP or Vedic Astrology view ? Regds. Naidu KP. K. P. Naidu,Flat E-1, Prince Aptmts.,Nowroji Road,Maharanipeta,VISAKHAPATNAM 530002.Phone Resi: 0891-2712591.--- On Fri, 10/4/09, Luther Rath <rathluther (AT) (DOT) . com> wrote: Luther Rath <rathluther >Re: Re: Child Birth after 1st one is dead@gro ups.comFriday, 10 April, 2009, 5:57 AM Dear Sir, Good Morning. We all are aware that life begins instantly at the time of implanatation of the fertilised ovum in the uterus of the mother. The embryo begins to live as the future child of the parents. The embryo grows to faetus stage and when it takes birth it is a baby and then the development goes on. So 'Embryo', faetus' and 'Baby' are three different stages of development of the child. Birth is a phase of transformation only. Its the time when the child becomes independent of the mother. So in which ever stage the child dies it is death of one offspring of the parents. So, on the event of an abortion one child passes away. Hence VII has to be taken for the next one. This is my opinion rather. With due regards. Dr. Rath. Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ >@gro ups..comThursday, April 9, 2009 5:40:21 PMRe: Re: Child Birth after 1st one is dead Dear Lutherji If a lady gets abortioned within 3 months, whether the 7th house should be considered for the next child or 5th house? Dhanabalan--- On Thu, 4/9/09, Luther Rath <rathluther > wrote: Luther Rath <rathluther >Re: Re: Child Birth after 1st one is dead@gro ups.comThursday, April 9, 2009, 3:44 AM Dear Sirs, When the faetus is expelled before 28 weeks of conception then we call it an abortion. If it is expelled between 28 weeks to full term it shall be called Pre-mature delivery. 280 days( +/- 7 days) of conception is full-term delivery. This is only for information and in no way to be taged with the opinion of K Rajaji. With regards. Dr.. Rath Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ >@gro ups.comSunday, April 5, 2009 7:55:17 AMRe: Re: Child Birth after 1st one is dead Dear Raja Abortion when? Within two months or three months or four months or five months. Dhanabalan--- On Sat, 4/4/09, kkrsaro <kkrsaro > wrote: kkrsaro <kkrsaro > Re: Child Birth after 1st one is dead@gro ups.comSaturday, April 4, 2009, 5:17 AM Dear MR. Vinod VermaIn KP system first child is 5th cusp sub lord,2nd oneis 7,like that, if first child is alive or dead by birth or abortion wehave to calculate 5th cusp only, and then next child is 7th cusb,if thesecond child is alive or dead by birth or abortion we have to calculate7h cusp only like that 9 & 11.Best RegardsK.RAJA--->>>>>>>>>>>> --->> >> >>> Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Invite them now. Bollywood news, movie reviews, film trailers and more! Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Invite them now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 15, 2009 Report Share Posted April 15, 2009 Thanks & Regards Dr.Rath Naidu KP K. P. Naidu,Flat E-1, Prince Aptmts.,Nowroji Road,Maharanipeta,VISAKHAPATNAM 530002.Phone Resi: 0891-2712591.--- On Tue, 14/4/09, Luther Rath <rathluther wrote: Luther Rath <rathlutherRe: Re: Child Birth after 1st one is dead Date: Tuesday, 14 April, 2009, 6:26 PM Dear Naiduji, Yes. What you say is quite right. Unless the attendants are aware of the importance of first breath they do mis it. and it usually happens so. But it is relatively easier to know this than to know the other times. In case of hanging or smoothering or strangling (suffocation) the person dies if the obstruction is more than 2 minutes. If we consider this in case of a sstill born, if the baby does not take respiration in 2 minutes it shall be very difficult to revive it. So the first breath should be with in 2 minutes of exposure of the body of the baby to the external atmosphere. We may relax this time limit for a further of 2 to 3 minutes. It should not be more than that. Technicaly it should be 2 minutes only. With regards. Dr. Rath. K. P. Naidu <konathalan (AT) (DOT) co.in>@gro ups.comMonday, April 13, 2009 7:53:20 PMRe: Re: Child Birth after 1st one is dead Yes Dr.Rath Ji it is impossible to find out the time of epoch and time of conception. But the time of birth may be possible to find out but it is noit so easy as mentioned by you. Practically this is also not possible to record the time of birth up to exact minutes/seconds. Is it practically easy to find out exactly the time of first breath ? whether it is 1st breath or second breath by the time we notice/record the time. In my case earlier quoted in this forum, my grand daughter immediately after birth, oxygen was supplied through her nose and moved to ICU and kept in incubation. what is the time of 1st breath in this case, frankly speaking is not easy to say. For theoriticaly argument, considering the time of 1st breath as Birth Time, sounds well, but it is not so easy practically. Let us admit franly the TRUTH. Regtards Naidu KP K. P. Naidu,Flat E-1, Prince Aptmts.,Nowroji Road,Maharanipeta,VISAKHAPATNAM 530002.Phone Resi: 0891-2712591.--- On Mon, 13/4/09, Luther Rath <rathluther > wrote: Luther Rath <rathluther >Re: Re: Child Birth after 1st one is dead@gro ups..comMonday, 13 April, 2009, 9:22 AM Respected Sir, The time of epoch, the time of conception, time of birth all are inter related. We are not able to fix the times of the first two. It is easier to find out the third one so we consider it for erection of horoscope of the native. We can never say when the couple met, when the ovum was fertilised, when the fertilised ovum was implanted in the uterus. On the other hand we can know when the child was born and when it breathed in for the first time.It is up to the individual astrologer how he consider the things.. Dr. Rath. Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1 (AT) (DOT) co.in>@gro ups.comSaturday, April 11, 2009 11:35:00 AMRe: Re: Child Birth after 1st one is dead Dears Rathji and Naiduji, In my considered opinion,astrologically speaking, as per our revered Guruji,the late Jyotish Marthand K.S.Krishnamurthiji : "....a Human being begins living,from the moment he takes his first Breath..." This is,also the opinion of Vedic Astrology...infact,the discussion on the interesting topic ... "The Time of Epoch...etc" , The correct Time of Birth etc...by Guruji KSK , elaborated by the late M.P.Shanmugham, in his excellent book Astrosecrets & K.P., is recommended for study.... With best wishes, L.Y.Rao. GOOD LUCK ! K. P. Naidu <konathalan (AT) (DOT) co.in>@gro ups.comFriday, 10 April, 2009 3:51:31 PMRe: Re: Child Birth after 1st one is dead Dear Dr.Rath Ji, Is this view of KP or Vedic Astrology view ? Regds. Naidu KP. K. P. Naidu,Flat E-1, Prince Aptmts.,Nowroji Road,Maharanipeta,VISAKHAPATNAM 530002.Phone Resi: 0891-2712591.--- On Fri, 10/4/09, Luther Rath <rathluther (AT) (DOT) . com> wrote: Luther Rath <rathluther >Re: Re: Child Birth after 1st one is dead@gro ups.comFriday, 10 April, 2009, 5:57 AM Dear Sir, Good Morning. We all are aware that life begins instantly at the time of implanatation of the fertilised ovum in the uterus of the mother. The embryo begins to live as the future child of the parents. The embryo grows to faetus stage and when it takes birth it is a baby and then the development goes on. So 'Embryo', faetus' and 'Baby' are three different stages of development of the child. Birth is a phase of transformation only. Its the time when the child becomes independent of the mother. So in which ever stage the child dies it is death of one offspring of the parents. So, on the event of an abortion one child passes away. Hence VII has to be taken for the next one. This is my opinion rather. With due regards. Dr. Rath. Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ >@gro ups..comThursday, April 9, 2009 5:40:21 PMRe: Re: Child Birth after 1st one is dead Dear Lutherji If a lady gets abortioned within 3 months, whether the 7th house should be considered for the next child or 5th house? Dhanabalan--- On Thu, 4/9/09, Luther Rath <rathluther > wrote: Luther Rath <rathluther >Re: Re: Child Birth after 1st one is dead@gro ups.comThursday, April 9, 2009, 3:44 AM Dear Sirs, When the faetus is expelled before 28 weeks of conception then we call it an abortion. If it is expelled between 28 weeks to full term it shall be called Pre-mature delivery. 280 days( +/- 7 days) of conception is full-term delivery. This is only for information and in no way to be taged with the opinion of K Rajaji. With regards. Dr.. Rath Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ >@gro ups.comSunday, April 5, 2009 7:55:17 AMRe: Re: Child Birth after 1st one is dead Dear Raja Abortion when? Within two months or three months or four months or five months. Dhanabalan--- On Sat, 4/4/09, kkrsaro <kkrsaro > wrote: kkrsaro <kkrsaro > Re: Child Birth after 1st one is dead@gro ups.comSaturday, April 4, 2009, 5:17 AM Dear MR. Vinod VermaIn KP system first child is 5th cusp sub lord,2nd oneis 7,like that, if first child is alive or dead by birth or abortion wehave to calculate 5th cusp only, and then next child is 7th cusb,if thesecond child is alive or dead by birth or abortion we have to calculate7h cusp only like that 9 & 11.Best RegardsK.RAJA--->>>>>>>>>>>> --->> >> >>> Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Invite them now. Bollywood news, movie reviews, film trailers and more! Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Invite them now. Did you know? You can CHAT without downloading messenger. Click here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 16, 2009 Report Share Posted April 16, 2009 Dear Thiru Dhanbalan, In my practical experience while seeing number of charts during last 30 yrs I had the opportunity to test this principle (especially for a women when I am seeing verification of stars Like Sri Raja informed this forum i.e. 5th cusp connection to the star of first child, 2nd 7th cusp and so on for consequecutively for children - but when I had problem while matching the star of the child with the 5th cusp, it matches with 5th - sometimes it may not match with 5th but 7th or 9th then I used elicit information whether she is having any abortions., then she agreed that there one/two abortions so that it matches with corresponding cusp of relationship with the mother,) As said by Sri Raja the tallying of birth stars of different relatives with the native's related cusps were coming very much true when we do BTR basing on this princple which was followed long back in 1985's by KM Subramaniam, Ganapathi and many other kp stalwarts. Now coming to the point Mr. Raja has given a good tested formula for this forum. as far as my knowledge goes it is working wonderfully. next point as U have asked the number of months for an abortion to qualify this formule. It is humbly submitted that I am counting each conceiving as one irrespective of number of months (here many astrologers will have different views) Some may say the soul would enter that is to be counted that my be possible in particular month as per Hindu theory. Here Conceiving is possible from 5th house 1st and every third house is next conceiving. Once it is conceived it will be that corresponding cusp If first conceiving lost (may beany month) it is indicated thru that cuspal sublord may be it indicates abortion also in that female chart, the next conceiving is 7th cusp. In this connection I request the KP seniors to share their knowledge to this forum. regards OVN MURTHY HYD , Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan wrote: > > Dear Raja > Abortion when? > Within two months or three months or four months or five months. > Dhanabalan > > --- On Sat, 4/4/09, kkrsaro <kkrsaro wrote: > > kkrsaro <kkrsaro > Re: Child Birth after 1st one is dead > > Saturday, April 4, 2009, 5:17 AM > Dear MR. Vinod Verma > > In KP system first child is 5th cusp sub lord,2nd one > is 7,like that, if first child is alive or dead by birth or abortion we > have to calculate 5th cusp only, and then next child is 7th cusb,if the > second child is alive or dead by birth or abortion we have to calculate > 7h cusp only like that 9 & 11. > > Best Regards > > K.RAJA > --- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 16, 2009 Report Share Posted April 16, 2009 Dear Dr. Luther Ruth, Your explanation is very lucid and excellent about the pregnancy and birth of a child /abortion for counting the connected house in the mother's chart. Thanks n Regards, OVN Murthy, M.Com.FCS.ICWAI. Company Secretary, Nizam Sugars Ltd., BashirBagh, Hyderabad 13. Ph. 9441778427 / 040-23232212 , Luther Rath <rathluther wrote: > > Dear Sir, > Good Morning. > We all are aware that life begins instantly at the time of implanatation of the fertilised ovum in the uterus of the mother. The embryo begins to live as the future child of the parents. The embryo grows to faetus stage and when it takes birth it is a baby and then the development goes on. So 'Embryo', faetus' and 'Baby' are three different stages of development of the child. Birth is a phase of transformation only. Its the time when the child becomes independent of the mother. So in which ever stage the child dies it is death of one offspring of the parents. So, on the event of an abortion one child passes away. Hence VII has to be taken for the next one. This is my opinion rather. > With due regards. > Dr. Rath.. > > > > > ________________________________ > Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan > > Thursday, April 9, 2009 5:40:21 PM > Re: Re: Child Birth after 1st one is dead > > > > > > Dear Lutherji > If a lady gets abortioned within 3 months, whether the 7th house should be considered for the next child or 5th house? > Dhanabalan > > --- On Thu, 4/9/09, Luther Rath <rathluther > wrote: > > Luther Rath <rathluther > > Re: Re: Child Birth after 1st one is dead > @gro ups.com > Thursday, April 9, 2009, 3:44 AM > > > Dear Sirs, > When the faetus is expelled before 28 weeks of conception then we call it an abortion. If it is expelled between 28 weeks to full term it shall be called Pre-mature delivery. 280 days( +/- 7 days) of conception is full-term delivery. This is only for information and in no way to be taged with the opinion of K Rajaji. > With regards. > Dr. Rath > > > > > ________________________________ > Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > > @gro ups.com > Sunday, April 5, 2009 7:55:17 AM > Re: Re: Child Birth after 1st one is dead > > > Dear Raja > Abortion when? > Within two months or three months or four months or five months. > Dhanabalan > > --- On Sat, 4/4/09, kkrsaro <kkrsaro > wrote: > > kkrsaro <kkrsaro > > Re: Child Birth after 1st one is dead > @gro ups.com > Saturday, April 4, 2009, 5:17 AM > > > > Dear MR. Vinod Verma > > In KP system first child is 5th cusp sub lord,2nd one > is 7,like that, if first child is alive or dead by birth or abortion we > have to calculate 5th cusp only, and then next child is 7th cusb,if the > second child is alive or dead by birth or abortion we have to calculate > 7h cusp only like that 9 & 11. > > Best Regards > > K.RAJA > --- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 16, 2009 Report Share Posted April 16, 2009 Dear Dr. Luther Rath ji, In this connection I want to share my experience with the Members of the Forum. Many times I had the occasion when I am discussing the Natal Charts of Ladies while discussing the BTR to know the birth stars first child,, second and so on. they used to give thebirth stars of the first second etc. Some times if it is not tallying when I put some more questions they used to come out with right answer, that they have last the first conceiving or second or third (they used tell the abortions categorically in between the issues they had) then the existing children birth stars are tallying with the relvant cusps. It is for KP Astrologer who can identify the same (abortions) when put to questions the facts would be reveled by the parents which they have forgotten long back and now remember the event and gives the report and they feel also the KP Astrologer is very accurate in his predictions with this initial probing itself. Thanks n Regards OVN Murthy, Hyderabad. , Luther Rath <rathluther wrote: > > Dear Adithji, > It is definitely confusing when there is abortion before pregnancy is diagnosed. This often happens when there is abortion in early weeks of pregnancy. Usually arounf 6 to 8 weeks of conception if bleeding occurs the lady may consider it as a late menstruation particularly when henr periods come irregularly because of various reasons. I don't find any way to solve this problem. There are menas to dignose conception even during these early weeks but practly we mis many a times. In such cases we definitely err in accuracy. > Dr. Rath. > > > > > ________________________________ > adith kasinath.g.k <gkadithkasinath > > Friday, April 10, 2009 3:31:13 PM > Re: Re: Child Birth after 1st one is dead > > > > > > Dear Dr. Rath, > > In some occasions the abortion takes place even without the notice of the mother with irregular cycles and she could not identify that she carries embryo and later it got aborted. > > Hope more practical explanations will help.!? > > Thanks and Regards > Adith > > > On Fri, Apr 10, 2009 at 5:57 AM, Luther Rath <rathluther > wrote: > > > > > Dear Sir, > Good Morning. > We all are aware that life begins instantly at the time of implanatation of the fertilised ovum in the uterus of the mother. The embryo begins to live as the future child of the parents. The embryo grows to faetus stage and when it takes birth it is a baby and then the development goes on. So 'Embryo', faetus' and 'Baby' are three different stages of development of the child. Birth is a phase of transformation only. Its the time when the child becomes independent of the mother. So in which ever stage the child dies it is death of one offspring of the parents. So, on the event of an abortion one child passes away. Hence VII has to be taken for the next one. This is my opinion rather. > With due regards. > Dr. Rath. > > > > > ________________________________ > Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > > @gro ups.com > Thursday, April 9, 2009 5:40:21 PM > > Re: Re: Child Birth after 1st one is dead > > > Dear Lutherji > If a lady gets abortioned within 3 months, whether the 7th house should be considered for the next child or 5th house? > Dhanabalan > > --- On Thu, 4/9/09, Luther Rath <rathluther > wrote: > > Luther Rath <rathluther > > Re: Re: Child Birth after 1st one is dead > @gro ups.com > > Thursday, April 9, 2009, 3:44 AM > > > Dear Sirs, > When the faetus is expelled before 28 weeks of conception then we call it an abortion. If it is expelled between 28 weeks to full term it shall be called Pre-mature delivery. 280 days( +/- 7 days) of conception is full-term delivery. This is only for information and in no way to be taged with the opinion of K Rajaji. > With regards. > Dr. Rath > > > > > ________________________________ > Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > > @gro ups.com > Sunday, April 5, 2009 7:55:17 AM > Re: Re: Child Birth after 1st one is dead > > > Dear Raja > Abortion when? > Within two months or three months or four months or five months. > Dhanabalan > > --- On Sat, 4/4/09, kkrsaro <kkrsaro > wrote: > > kkrsaro <kkrsaro > > Re: Child Birth after 1st one is dead > @gro ups.com > Saturday, April 4, 2009, 5:17 AM > > > > Dear MR. Vinod Verma > > In KP system first child is 5th cusp sub lord,2nd one > is 7,like that, if first child is alive or dead by birth or abortion we > have to calculate 5th cusp only, and then next child is 7th cusb,if the > second child is alive or dead by birth or abortion we have to calculate > 7h cusp only like that 9 & 11. > > Best Regards > > K.RAJA > --- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 18, 2009 Report Share Posted April 18, 2009 Dear Murthyji, Thank you for sharing. Dr. Rath OVN MURTHY <ovnmurthy Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2009 10:48:44 PM Re: Child Birth after 1st one is dead Dear Dr. Luther Rath ji,In this connection I want to share my experience with the Members of the Forum.Many times I had the occasion when I am discussing the NatalCharts of Ladies while discussing the BTR to know the birth starsfirst child,, second and so on. they used to give thebirth starsof the first second etc. Some times if it is not tallying when I put some more questionsthey used to come out with right answer, that they have last the first conceiving or second or third (they used tell the abortionscategorically in between the issues they had) then the existing children birth stars are tallying with the relvant cusps.It is for KP Astrologer who can identify the same (abortions)when put to questions the facts would be reveled by the parents which they have forgotten long back and now remember the eventand gives the report and they feel also the KP Astrologer is veryaccurate in his predictions with this initial probing itself.Thanks n RegardsOVN Murthy, Hyderabad.@gro ups.com, Luther Rath <rathluther@ ...> wrote:>> Dear Adithji,> It is definitely confusing when there is abortion before pregnancy is diagnosed. This often happens when there is abortion in early weeks of pregnancy. Usually arounf 6 to 8 weeks of conception if bleeding occurs the lady may consider it as a late menstruation particularly when henr periods come irregularly because of various reasons. I don't find any way to solve this problem. There are menas to dignose conception even during these early weeks but practly we mis many a times. In such cases we definitely err in accuracy.> Dr. Rath.> > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> adith kasinath.g.k <gkadithkasinath@ ...>> @gro ups.com> Friday, April 10, 2009 3:31:13 PM> Re: Re: Child Birth after 1st one is dead> > > > > > Dear Dr.. Rath,> > In some occasions the abortion takes place even without the notice of the mother with irregular cycles and she could not identify that she carries embryo and later it got aborted.> > Hope more practical explanations will help.!?> > Thanks and Regards> Adith > > > On Fri, Apr 10, 2009 at 5:57 AM, Luther Rath <rathluther> wrote:> > > > > Dear Sir,> Good Morning.> We all are aware that life begins instantly at the time of implanatation of the fertilised ovum in the uterus of the mother. The embryo begins to live as the future child of the parents. The embryo grows to faetus stage and when it takes birth it is a baby and then the development goes on. So 'Embryo', faetus' and 'Baby' are three different stages of development of the child. Birth is a phase of transformation only. Its the time when the child becomes independent of the mother. So in which ever stage the child dies it is death of one offspring of the parents. So, on the event of an abortion one child passes away. Hence VII has to be taken for the next one. This is my opinion rather.> With due regards.> Dr. Rath.> > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ >> @gro ups.com> Thursday, April 9, 2009 5:40:21 PM > > Re: Re: Child Birth after 1st one is dead> > > Dear Lutherji> If a lady gets abortioned within 3 months, whether the 7th house should be considered for the next child or 5th house?> Dhanabalan> > --- On Thu, 4/9/09, Luther Rath <rathluther> wrote:> > Luther Rath <rathluther>> Re: Re: Child Birth after 1st one is dead> @gro ups.com > > Thursday, April 9, 2009, 3:44 AM> > > Dear Sirs,> When the faetus is expelled before 28 weeks of conception then we call it an abortion. If it is expelled between 28 weeks to full term it shall be called Pre-mature delivery. 280 days( +/- 7 days) of conception is full-term delivery. This is only for information and in no way to be taged with the opinion of K Rajaji.> With regards.> Dr. Rath> > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ >> @gro ups.com> Sunday, April 5, 2009 7:55:17 AM> Re: Re: Child Birth after 1st one is dead> > > Dear Raja> Abortion when?> Within two months or three months or four months or five months.> Dhanabalan> > --- On Sat, 4/4/09, kkrsaro <kkrsaro > wrote:> > kkrsaro <kkrsaro >> Re: Child Birth after 1st one is dead> @gro ups.com> Saturday, April 4, 2009, 5:17 AM> > > > Dear MR. Vinod Verma> > In KP system first child is 5th cusp sub lord,2nd one> is 7,like that, if first child is alive or dead by birth or abortion we> have to calculate 5th cusp only, and then next child is 7th cusb,if the> second child is alive or dead by birth or abortion we have to calculate> 7h cusp only like that 9 & 11.> > Best Regards> > K.RAJA> ---> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > ---> >> > >> > >> >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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