Equal house system is better than placidus house system ? ! !

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Dear Punit,

There are two Equal House systems...

One equal house system is perhaps the oldest system of House division and is ascribed to sage Parasara, and according to this system,the Xth house is the Zenith...not the conventional Midheaven or

Median Colei(M.C.),as in the quadrant systems...while Zenith is the point overhead in the sky and the M.C., is a circle around it...hence the Equal House System is also(correctly) known as the Zenith System...as the importance is given to the Zenith itself...etc....

The Zenith System assumes that we are primarily citizens of the solar system and not of the planet Earth itself... !

The late Alan Leo,dismissed the Equal House system as rough and ready and without any mathematical basis...

Again,the system of EQUAL DIVISION of Houses from the M.C.,is also a rough and ready system,apart from it's simplicity it has nothing else to commend itself...because :For births which take place at the same sidereal time,the cusps of the various houses would be identical,whatever be the lattitude of the place,and a single "Table of Houses",would suffice to find the cusps in all Lattitudes... ! !

Thus, Punit,it will be seen that any kind of equal house division is not desireable...

BTW,just why are you wasting your time...and ours ?

With kind regards,

L.Y.Rao.

 

 

 

 

Punit Pandey <punitp Sent: Friday, 27 February, 2009 2:35:43 PMRe: Equal house system is better than placidus house system

 

Dear Dhanabalan ji,What you said is not correct. Agents, though are not part of the four-fold significator table, are still significators. We need to include nodes if they are found to be agents of the planets in four-fold significator table. Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey

 

 

 

 

On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 11:03 AM, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Sujata ji

It seems you have not understood the concept of four fold table. Jupiter should appear directly in the four fold table. If any significator is aspecting the Jupiter or if any significator is conjoining with Jupiter, then only Jupiter can be included in the significator list. Can you give evidence in support of your statement in KP Readers.

Dhanabalan--- On Wed, 2/25/09, sujata das <sujatadash1@ .co. in> wrote:

sujata das <sujatadash1@ .co. in>

Re: Equal house system is better than placidus house system@gro ups.comWednesday, February 25, 2009, 5:04 PM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Mr DhanbalanReg. The husband, 11th lord ve is in close sonj. with sun (1 Degree) so su will substitute for ven, an inferior planet. Ju is in sun star, so becomes significator of 11th bhavaReg. wife, ra is an agent of mar,signifying 2 11We students are not making 4 fold table correctlyRegardsSujata--- On Wed, 25/2/09, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > wrote:

 

Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ >Re: Equal house system is better than placidus house system@gro ups.com

 

 

Wednesday, 25 February, 2009, 8:28 AM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Punit ji

Husband DOB:15-4-1965, 23-40PM,Delhi

Wife DOB:14-4-1967, 02-34AM,Delhi

Marriage date:02-05-1991 at Delhi

Husband DBAS on 2-5-1991 are:Jup-Sat- Jup-Sat

Four fold table significators for husband

II Sat

VII Mer,Ketu

XI Mars,Venus

Jupiter did not find a place in four fold table

Wife DBAS on 2-5-1991 are:Rahu-Mer- Rah-Rah

Four fold table significators for wife

II Venus,Sun,Mer, Sat

VII Moon

XI Mars

Rahu did not find a place in four fold table.

Dhanabalan--- On Tue, 2/24/09, Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:

Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com>Re: Equal house system is better than placidus house system@gro ups.comTuesday, February 24, 2009, 3:50 PM

 

 

Dear Dhanabalan ji,One chart is not an enough sample size to say that the rule fails. As mentioned, a rule should be judged on at least 100 charts. If the rule doesn't pass with at least 80% accuracy, we can say that rule failed. I can understand that it is not easy for an individual to study 100 charts and that is the reason I suggested 10 as the number to start this process. I believe the same number was mentioned by Tw ji. Would appreciate if you can post at least 10 charts where you find the rule failed and then we will collectively work on that.Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey

On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 8:30 PM, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Punit ji

To fix the timing for marriage DBAS, the KP rule says that the significators in 2,7,11 houses in four fold table will come as DBAS. I have checked many charts that the planets DBAS have not come in the four fold table. In my chart DOB 5-8-1954, 17.19PM, Salem, Jupiter has not come as significator table. But my marriage was celebrated in Jupiter Dasa. My marriage date 4-9-1978. So, this KP rule fails.

Dhanabalan --- On Tue, 2/24/09, Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:

 

Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com>Re: Equal house system is better than placidus house system @gro ups.comTuesday, February 24, 2009, 7:14 AM

 

 

 

Dear Dhanabalan ji,This way present debate can never be resolved. Questioning something is very easy. One can question anything and everything. You can say that KP ayanamsa is incorrect as Westerns are not using any ayanamsa. You can say that Vimshottari dasa is not correct and Progression is better as Western astrologers are using that. There is no end to it.I feel that this debate is waste of time if we are not discussing on practical charts. From the forum perspective, whatever is written in KP readers (1971 edition) is correct till the time somebody proves otherwise "practically". Just questioning will not help. Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey

 

On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 2:36 PM, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear TinWin ji

I have gone through the site you referred. I came to know that Equal house system is better than placidus system and Koch system.

"The equal house system has several characteristics to recommend it: - It does not breakdown at extreme latitudes. - It is completely symbolic. - It gives one an extra element of delineation. Whereas the MC shows our area of acclaim, the 10th cusp may be read as a life-pattern.

"Furthermore, it has worked best for me in my practice. There are a number of fine astrologers who have truly researched Placidus vs. Koch vs. Equal and found Equal to deliver the most accurate information with house rulers and progressed planets. But this is all a matter for further research. I sincerely hope that AstroDatabank data plays a role in finally resolving the great house system debate."

Dhanabalan--- On Sun, 2/22/09, tw853 <tw853 > wrote:

 

tw853 <tw853 > Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator of that cusp?

 

 

@gro ups.comSunday, February 22, 2009, 9:56 PM

 

 

Dear Dhanabalan ji,1. If you could come up with, let us say, at least 10 charts showingthat any other house system is working better for KP rules thanPlacidus, we are ready to join your research work. 2. The reason of the Astrodatabank AA rated charts are being analysedwith equal house system is that they are posted in this house system.Why posted in this house system is given in the following link:http://www.astrodat abank.com/ AstrologyFAQ. htm#EqualHouse3. Church of Light research on events provides intriguing evidence forthe validity of Placidus houses. Using at least 100 cases for eachevent, they found that without exception a progressed major or minoraspect (orb one degree) existed at the time of the event to the rulerof certain houses which were usually (but not always) in

agreementwith tradition. (Astrology, 30 Years Research, AFA, 1956) 3. The Equal house system was used in ancient India and by Ptolemy. Today we find it used in Britaian, as it was promoted by Carter, Hone,the Faculty of Astrological Studies and The Mayo School of Astrology.Each house is, of course, exactly 30 degrees, and it is therefore theeasiest system to construct. Here are three main types of Equal Housesystem:a) Ascendant based: the Ascendant is the cusp of the 1st House; allother House cusps are spaced 30 degrees apart. The Midheaven is notthe cusp of the 10th House, and may not even be IN the 10th House.b) Midheaven based: The Midheaven is the cusp of the 10th House; allother House cusps are spaced 30 degrees apart. The Ascendant is notthe cusp of the 1st House, and may not even be IN the 1st House.c) Whole Sign Houses: The Houses correspond exactly with the Signs,beginning at 0

degrees of each Sign. The Ascendant and Midheaven arenot House cusps, only sensitive points. The 1st House begins with 0degrees of the Sign of the Ascendant, and the Ascendant may actuallybe ABOVE the horizon (in the "modern" 12th House).4. Guruji KSK clearly mentioned in the KP Reader I that the Placidushouse system was chosen as the most commonly used house system and itis still leading even though the Koch house system has become popular.Regards,tw @gro ups.com, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ ...> wrote:>> Dear Sujata ji> If the 9th cusp falls in 10th sign then it will support 9th housematters but it will spoil 10th house matters. If the 9th cusp falls in8th sign then it will reduce the strength of 9th house. As per

myunderstanding, the badhaka effect will increase in your case. You cansend your birth details to Mr.Murthy and get direct opinion from him.He will analyse your chart and give opinion. I accept that the cuspalinterception needs research. Many of the westerners are using equalbhava method for their prediction. Even the Astrodatabank AA ratedcharts are analysed with equal house system. Westerners are studyingthe charts with all types of house system and choose the one suitablefor them. Here, no one is doing study in the house system.. Mr.Punitjirequested Mr.Murthy to explain his research with examples. We hopethat Mr.Murthy will explain his study in detail.> Dhanabalan > > --- On Thu, 2/19/09, sujata das <sujatadash1@ ...> wrote:> > sujata das <sujatadash1@ ...>> Re: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significatorof that

cusp?> @gro ups.com> Thursday, February 19, 2009, 2:36 PM> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mr Dhanbalan> Mr OVN Murthy has done some research on 100charts of badhaka.(Msg.23298) He is of the opinion that if Leo instead of cancer becomes the9th cusp for scorpio, then the effects of badhaka are mitigated tosome extent as mars and sun are friends. KSKji, if alive today, wouldhave given due weightage to research being carried out by his students> Regards> Sujata> > --- On Thu, 19/2/09, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > wrote:> > Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ >> Re: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significatorof that cusp?> @gro ups.com> Thursday, 19 February, 2009, 12:29 PM> > > > > > > > > > Dear TinWin ji> Mr.KSK is very specific that the badhaka, Kendradhipathi dosa, Marsdosa should be sign based eventhough KP is stood on placidus system. Ihave already shown the evidences in KP Readers.> Further, exaltation and debilitation are extensively used in KPReaders. One cannot say that there is no exaltation and debilitationin KP.> It is difficult to prove KP without cuspal interlink. > Dhanabalan> > --- On Thu, 2/19/09, tw853 <tw853 > wrote:> > tw853

<tw853 >> Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator ofthat cusp?> @gro ups.com> Thursday, February 19, 2009, 3:32 AM> > > > > Dear Dhanabalan ji and Friends,> > 1. That is true as mentioned in Msg#6816 and there is also one> exception in Prasna Marga where more details of Badhaka are explained> and Jataka Parijata is more oriented with 22 Drekkana, which is used> in Vedic.> > 2. In KP death rules, there is no place for 22 Drekkana. (Msg#8964)> These rules are found approved, for in stance in my current> observation of 40 charts regarding death of father.> > 3. In KP, Badhaka, Maraka is bhava based due to application of> Placidus and as a result in some charts 2 or 4 signs may be>

intercepted with 2 or more cusps falling in the same sign, which can> be found in examples of Guruji KSK, Bhatt, K. Hariharan, Khullar and> Marthy etc. This is the normal outcome of Pladicus and no misplacement> of cusps, and the same KP rules are applied, nothing special is not> found to adjust the rules in the cases of intercepted signs. The same> is in Western astrology and the only discussion is which house system> is better fit for the case under study. In KP, there is no choice,> only Placidus.> > 4. Another important point is that Badhaka lord is only grade D> significator and there are more strong grade A to C significators of> Badhaka to be considered.> > 5. Of course, the Badhaka related bhavas will be effected according to> the signification of Badhaka, for instance 7 for marriage, 9 for> foreign, 11 for gain, but not all adverse for being

Badhaka, otherwise> movable rising borns are almost to be finished.> > 6. Another thing is it may depend on age of the native, for 2,7> Maraka, Badhaka, at the younger age having good time with play mates> and then with love ones at middle age and finally death at older age.> Early death is another matter of short life.> > 7.. In the modern time, the idea of a planet including Badhaka to be> wholly bad becomes less acceptable even in Vedic and Western astrology.> > Thanks and regards,> > tw > > @gro ups.com, "dubeyamitkumar"> <dubeyamitkumar@ ...> wrote:> >> > > > > > Respected sir> > I agree with you condition no 2 should also be> > considered .> > With Regards> > AMIT>

> > > @gro ups.com, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ >wrote:> > >> > > Dear Murthyji> > > Thank you for your posting. You have done a research on the cuspal> > interception on badhaka lords. I consider your study on the charts> > having cuspal interception. In my own chart, Saggitarius lagna 28> > degree, 6th cusp falls in 7th sign, 12th cusp falls in first sign. 2nd> > sign and 8th sign are empty. According to your study, the badhaka> > effect in my chart should have been reduced due to the malefic cusp> > falls in Badhaka sthana. Due to the shifting of 6th cusp to 7th sign,> > the 6th bhava gets strengthened. . Due to the shifting of 12th cusp to> > first sign, the 12th bhava is strengthened. First bhava is weakened.> O.k.>

> > In tradition,> > > "According to Jataka Parijata (Chapter II, Sloka 48):In order for a> > planet to qualify as Badhka two condition are laid down.> > > a) 11, 9, 7 houses or lords for moveable, fixed and dual sign> > respectively.> > > b)Such a planet should simultaneously be the ruler of the house> > occupied by Mandi or Kharesha (22 Drekkana from Lagna).> > > So according to Jataka Parijata defination of Badhka many charts> > may not have the badhka at all because very few charts will qualify> > both the conditions."> > > > > > Please give your comment on the above.Dhanabalan> > > > > > --- On Tue, 2/17/09, OVN Murthy M.Com.FCS (Gmail) <ovnmurthy@>wrote:> > > > > > OVN Murthy M.Com.FCS (Gmail) <ovnmurthy@>> > > Subject:

Sub lord of a cusp is a significator of that> cusp?> > > @gro ups.com> > > Tuesday, February 17, 2009, 8:11 AM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sri Dhanabalan ji,> > > > > > At the outset let me introduce myself, I started learning Vedic from> > 1975 thru Astrology magazines of BVRaman Later in 1980 I switched over> > to KSK method after going thru Astrology & Athrista Magazines from> > Chennai. > > > Since 1980 I had clients and many practical charts wherein I applied> > KP princples only (basing on the reading of the 6 readers). IN> > majority of cases clients used to return back with good feed back and>

> used bring their friends/relatives also. But in negligible cases the> > feed is not favourable (where some exceptions we are not able to> > forsee at that time) Subsequently when I go deep into the subject as> > a part of research basing on many practical charts, I could see> > Bhadhaka connection to other bhavas are affecting the features of the> > other bhavas (apart from the same is used for determining longevity> > since a long time). On a deep insight I found when bhadhaka lord cusp> > shifts to either backward/forward rasis in cuspal interception, the> > origal bhadhaka Rasi lord is not functioning as Bahdhaka and the other> > Rasilord becoming Bhadhaka where the effects bhadhaka is diluted becaz> > the properties of bhadhaka has got modified. (e.g. for Libra11thSun is> > > bhadhaka (which is a fiery sign) but when shifted to

Virgo (earthy)> > Mercury gets badhaka who is natural friend to lagnesh Venus. unlike> > Sun who is enemy to Venus. Mercury is not acting as true bhadhaka> > (more damaging) but with salya saradhyam (mahabharath) that he is not> > acting as an enemy. > > > In case of Dual signs when the 7th lord is bhadhaka also gets its> > 12th house i.e. 6th cusp the intensity is reduced becaz owning a> > negative house.> > > > > > According to me all the books were generated by many stalwarts of KP> > who are having Book printing Yoga in their Charts and it might have> > come into the market. But according to me many seniors (now I am> > seeing in this Forum) are also having many theories which they follow> > regularly gives fairly good results might not have come into> publication. > > > > > > Now

I humbly submit to Sri Dhanbalan/Sri Punit ji, the experiences> > which I submitted to the forum is basing on the many practical kp> > charts which I am handling since a long time (previously it is hand> > written calculations basing on logirithams and ephemeries, then using> > scientific calculators, subsequently dos programmes Bhrigu IV, where> > chart will be printed but not saving method in the system.. after> > windows introduction we had sws which will allow us to save soft copy> > for our future Research purpose). The opinion given is purely basing> > on my owning reading from practical charts who visits me for> > consultation. On going thru nearly 100 charts the Bhadhaka> > concept/Cuspal Interception charts will have to be read on different> > footing (KP only) but not in a routine way. In those cases the> > readings are gets

altered and I request the Seniors of this Forum to> > enlighten more on the Predictive area wherein the following principles> > existing.> > > > > > 1. Role of Bhadhaka Lord - when placed in negative houses,> > connection to other bhavas, during cuspal intercetion,> > > 2. When Cuspal Interception clockwise/anticlock wise missing cusps> > in some Rasis, more than one cusp.> > > 3. Role of Retro planets in giving their Bhava results.(does it> > encourage/discourag e).> > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > O.V.N.MURTHY, M.Com.FCS. ,> > > COMPANY SECRETARY,> > > NIZAM SUGARS LIMITED,> > > HYDERABAD-A. P.> > > PH.NO.23232212 / CELL NO.9441778427> > > > > > www.saibhavishyavan i.com

> > > ovnmurthy (AT) gmail (DOT) com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3.1. > > > > > > Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator of that cusp? > > > Posted by: "Dhanabalan R" r.dhanabalan@ r.dhanabalan > > > Fri Feb 13, 2009 9:24 am (PST) > > > Dear Murthyji> > > //But however in Dual signs during cuspal interception 7th cusp may> > also gets 6th cusp in the same Rasi, in such case the Bhadhaka lord> > gets another cusp which is 12th to its 7th cusp,(Like Saturn in Leo> > Ascendant) wherein in such cases we found there is a dilution of the> > bhadhaka intensity.//> > > Any reference in books or it is your own experience.> > > Dhanabalan> > > >

> > --- On Fri, 2/13/09, OVN Murthy M.Com.FCS (Gmail) <ovnmurthy (AT) gmail (DOT) > > com> wrote:> > > > > > OVN Murthy M.Com.FCS (Gmail) <ovnmurthy (AT) gmail (DOT) com>> > > Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator of> > that cusp?> > > @gro ups.com> > > Friday, February 13, 2009, 2:24 PM> > > > > > Dear Dhanapalanji and Punjit ji> > > > > > As indicated by me earlier, when there is cuspal interception the> > 2nd cusp may join with 1st (while anticlock) and with 3rd house (while> > it is clockwise) In those cases the propensity of the 2nd cusp sign> > lord gets diluted. This principle we can see while in normal condition> > for Capricorn Asc. 2nd is also Saturn. For Sagi

Asc. 2nd and 3rd> > Saturn, so the intensity is diluted becaz of its assocition with its> > vyayasthanam. > > > > > > But in case of 7th Marakasthan does not alter in any type of charts> > becaz 1st goes with 7th no cuspal interception for these two cusps> > would take place. But however in Dual signs during cuspal> > interception 7th cusp may also gets 6th cusp in the same Rasi, in such> > case the Bhadhaka lord gets another cusp which is 12th to its 7th> > cusp,(Like Saturn in Leo Ascendant) wherein in such cases we found> > there is a dilution of the bhadhaka intensity.> > > > > > Regards> > > > > > > > > O.V.N.MURTHY, M.Com.FCS. ,> > > COMPANY SECRETARY,> > > NIZAM SUGARS LIMITED,> > > HYDERABAD-A. P.> > > PH.NO.23232212 / CELL

NO.9441778427> > > www.saibhavishyavan i.com > > > ovnmurthy (AT) gmail (DOT) com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Posted by: "Dhanabalan R" r.dhanabalan@ r.dhanabalan > > > Sun Feb 8, 2009 9:19 am (PST) > > > Dear Punitji> > > If lagna falls at 00.16 degree in Saggitarious then II cusp falls in> > the first sign only.> > > Dhanabalan> > > > > > --- On Sun, 2/8/09, Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:> > > > > > Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com>> > > Re: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator> > of that cusp?> > > @gro ups.com> > > Sunday, February 8, 2009, 4:59 PM> > > > > > Regarding marakasthana also I don't see any problem because> > maraksthana are 2nd and 7th "house", so goes well with the house based> > system like KP. > > > > > > Thanks & Regards,> > > > > > Punit Pandey> > > > > > > > > > > > Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post> > >> >> > > > > > Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Invite them now.>

 

 

 

 

 

 

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