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Dr.Rath sir,

I am happy you got my pont.

My intention is put before the members what information I have on the subject.

As it involves deep calculations of astronomy - I am not competent to certify / nor deny any body's openion/writings/coments etc. - on the article I quoted- So I have humbly given the source of my information for the benefit of members.

I am happy to note that you have well received the contents-thought on them and also mentioned your openion- Only astronomers can clarify further -

rao chitturu

--- On Wed, 18/2/09, Luther Rath <rathluther wrote:

Luther Rath <rathlutherRe: Re: Exaltation with reference to star strength Date: Wednesday, 18 February, 2009, 12:00 PM

 

 

 

 

Dear Sirs,

I do not intend to say any thing against that which Rao Sir has referred to, regarding the exaltation.He has given the extract of Sloka 13, Chapter 1 of Brihat Jataka. He in fact quoted from AM of June 1991 explanined by Mr R. Krishna Murthy.

Mr Krushnamurty has explained that when Jupiter transits at 3 degrees in Cancer it is exalted.

Quotation, "From the Earth when we see Jupiter at Kataka 3, it implies that our earth is at Makara 3 as viewed from Jupiter". What I want to say is that the Earth has a definite relation with the Sun around which it revolves. Earth does not have such relationship with Jupiter as both of them are planets in solar system and both revolve around the Sun indipendently. So when Jupiter transits at Kataka 3 it does not necessarily imply that Earth is situated at Makara 3. For instance, on 29th June 2014 Jupiter transits at Kataka 3. But Earth cannot be at Makara 3. It is because on that day Sun is at Gemini 14. The Earth virtually remains at 180 degrees to Sun and therefore it is sure that Earth transits at Sagittarious 14 but not at Makara 13. Hence the explanation by Krushna Murtyji cannot be justified. It is up to the seniors to examine and comment.

With due Regards to all.

Dr. Rath

 

 

 

rao chitturu <csr162002 >@gro ups.comWednesday, February 18, 2009 10:55:30 AMRe: Re: Exaltation with reference to star strength

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

To all Members

Exaltation and debilitation theory was explained by Mr.R.Krishna Murthy in his article "Exaltation and Debilitation of planets" in A.M of June 1991 page 495...with reference to the planets rotation onn its own axis in zodiac and its exposure to the earth...

pl.see attachment for extractrao chitturu

--- On Tue, 17/2/09, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > wrote:

Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ >Re: Re: Exaltation with reference to star strength@gro ups.comTuesday, 17 February, 2009, 7:53 PM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Bohraji

It is clear that the westerners did not copy the vedic exaltation. They developed their own. Being so, how the exaltation differ. Which exaltation is correct. Whether vedic or western?

Dhanabalan--- On Tue, 2/17/09, msbohra62 <msbohra62 (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote:

msbohra62 <msbohra62 (AT) (DOT) co.in> Re: Exaltation with reference to star strength@gro ups.comTuesday, February 17, 2009, 1:28 PM

 

 

Dear Dhanbalanji,Points never be different of exaltation,getting effects because oftime difference will be different as Dasa period will be differentplace to place.Universe activities are at same the time but effects getting on earthwill be different place to place.Thanks,M.S.Bohra@gro ups.com, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ ...> wrote:>> Dear Bohraji> Thank for your reference. The exaltation point in vedic and westerndiffers.. I want to find the reason. Whether exaltation point differfrom place to place on the earth.> Dhanabalan> > --- On Tue, 2/17/09, msbohra62 <msbohra62@. ..> wrote:> > msbohra62 <msbohra62@. ..>> Re: Exaltation with reference to star strength> @gro ups.com> Tuesday, February 17, 2009, 12:23 PM> > > > > > > Dear Dhanbalanji,> > See the references of "Uttar Kalamrita" by Kalidas,where well describe> about Exaltation of planets is related to spirituality. Karattava of> planets in particular Nakhshatra exhibit maximum results so it> consider at particular point of degree as exaltation.> > In astrology spiritual and karakttava is very important because every> one have certain reason to take birth and live the life accordingly> his "Karma" in previous birth it is the concept of Indian Astrology> and all "Dharm-Shashtra" .If we take like this in astrology we will can> assume the right forth coming events of the Native.> > Thanks,> >

M.S.Bohra> > @gro ups.com, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ ...>wrote:> >> > Dear Lutherji> > I have studied in an article that the astrology is based on our> galaxy only.. But there are billions of galaxies in the universe like> our galaxy. The entire universe is effecting us. Universe is> expanding. Our galaxy has self rotation and revolving around a center> point. Exaltation points are to be recalculated and so on...> > The exaltation point in western astrology differs from vedic.. So I> have the doubt in the degree of exaltation. > > Dhanabalan> > --- On Tue, 2/17/09, Luther Rath <rathluther@ ...> wrote:> > > > Luther Rath <rathluther@ ...>> > Re: Exaltation with reference to star strength> > @gro

ups.com> > Tuesday, February 17, 2009, 11:11 AM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected Sir,> > Thank you for at least a consideration regarding Sun's exaltion in> Aswini. I was studying this issue about a year back. I could justify> for some of the planets except one or two.According to my study the> constellations need to be changed for those planets. I never wanted to> bring controversies, since I am not an authority in astrology nor I> can face many more attackes from the traditionalists.> > Thanking you. With due regards.> > Dr. Rath.> > > > > > > > > > > > Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ >> > kpsystem groups <@ gro ups.com>> > Tuesday, February 17,

2009 11:43:23 AM> > Exaltation with reference to star strength> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lutherji> > Sun's exaltation is justified with bright stars in the sign. Like> this can you give justification for other planets also.> > Dhanabalan> >>

 

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Dear Sir,

Evey one of us should have an open mind to honour the opinions of others. Clinching to existing concepts and closing doors for more scientific approach does not help us. The theories of revolution and rotation of earth have undergone remarkable change since about 3 centuries. But still we have stayed back. We have to adjust to changes and recent developments. No? It is becomming difficult to cope up.

Its only my feeling and not intended or pointing to any body. Its general.

With due regards.

Dr. Rath

 

 

 

rao chitturu <csr162002 Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 11:17:45 AMRe: Re: Exaltation with reference to star strength-att:Dr.Rath

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dr.Rath sir,

I am happy you got my pont.

My intention is put before the members what information I have on the subject.

As it involves deep calculations of astronomy - I am not competent to certify / nor deny any body's openion/writings/ coments etc. - on the article I quoted- So I have humbly given the source of my information for the benefit of members.

I am happy to note that you have well received the contents-thought on them and also mentioned your openion- Only astronomers can clarify further -

rao chitturu

--- On Wed, 18/2/09, Luther Rath <rathluther > wrote:

Luther Rath <rathluther >Re: Re: Exaltation with reference to star strength@gro ups.comWednesday, 18 February, 2009, 12:00 PM

 

 

 

 

Dear Sirs,

I do not intend to say any thing against that which Rao Sir has referred to, regarding the exaltation.He has given the extract of Sloka 13, Chapter 1 of Brihat Jataka. He in fact quoted from AM of June 1991 explanined by Mr R. Krishna Murthy.

Mr Krushnamurty has explained that when Jupiter transits at 3 degrees in Cancer it is exalted.

Quotation, "From the Earth when we see Jupiter at Kataka 3, it implies that our earth is at Makara 3 as viewed from Jupiter". What I want to say is that the Earth has a definite relation with the Sun around which it revolves. Earth does not have such relationship with Jupiter as both of them are planets in solar system and both revolve around the Sun indipendently. So when Jupiter transits at Kataka 3 it does not necessarily imply that Earth is situated at Makara 3. For instance, on 29th June 2014 Jupiter transits at Kataka 3. But Earth cannot be at Makara 3. It is because on that day Sun is at Gemini 14. The Earth virtually remains at 180 degrees to Sun and therefore it is sure that Earth transits at Sagittarious 14 but not at Makara 13. Hence the explanation by Krushna Murtyji cannot be justified. It is up to the seniors to examine and comment.

With due Regards to all.

Dr. Rath

 

 

 

rao chitturu <csr162002 >@gro ups.comWednesday, February 18, 2009 10:55:30 AMRe: Re: Exaltation with reference to star strength

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

To all Members

Exaltation and debilitation theory was explained by Mr.R.Krishna Murthy in his article "Exaltation and Debilitation of planets" in A.M of June 1991 page 495...with reference to the planets rotation onn its own axis in zodiac and its exposure to the earth...

pl.see attachment for extractrao chitturu

--- On Tue, 17/2/09, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > wrote:

Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ >Re: Re: Exaltation with reference to star strength@gro ups.comTuesday, 17 February, 2009, 7:53 PM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Bohraji

It is clear that the westerners did not copy the vedic exaltation. They developed their own. Being so, how the exaltation differ. Which exaltation is correct. Whether vedic or western?

Dhanabalan--- On Tue, 2/17/09, msbohra62 <msbohra62 (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote:

msbohra62 <msbohra62 (AT) (DOT) co.in> Re: Exaltation with reference to star strength@gro ups.comTuesday, February 17, 2009, 1:28 PM

 

 

Dear Dhanbalanji,Points never be different of exaltation,getting effects because oftime difference will be different as Dasa period will be differentplace to place.Universe activities are at same the time but effects getting on earthwill be different place to place.Thanks,M.S.Bohra@gro ups.com, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ ...> wrote:>> Dear Bohraji> Thank for your reference. The exaltation point in vedic and westerndiffers.. I want to find the reason. Whether exaltation point differfrom place to place on the earth.> Dhanabalan> > --- On Tue, 2/17/09, msbohra62 <msbohra62@. ..> wrote:> > msbohra62 <msbohra62@. ..>> Re: Exaltation with

reference to star strength> @gro ups.com> Tuesday, February 17, 2009, 12:23 PM> > > > > > > Dear Dhanbalanji,> > See the references of "Uttar Kalamrita" by Kalidas,where well describe> about Exaltation of planets is related to spirituality. Karattava of> planets in particular Nakhshatra exhibit maximum results so it> consider at particular point of degree as exaltation.> > In astrology spiritual and karakttava is very important because every> one have certain reason to take birth and live the life accordingly> his "Karma" in previous birth it is the concept of Indian Astrology> and all "Dharm-Shashtra" .If we take like this in astrology we will can> assume the right

forth coming events of the Native.> > Thanks,> > M.S.Bohra> > @gro ups.com, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ ...>wrote:> >> > Dear Lutherji> > I have studied in an article that the astrology is based on our> galaxy only.. But there are billions of galaxies in the universe like> our galaxy. The entire universe is effecting us. Universe is> expanding. Our galaxy has self rotation and revolving around a center> point. Exaltation points are to be recalculated and so on...> > The exaltation point in western astrology differs from vedic.. So I> have the doubt in the degree of exaltation. > > Dhanabalan> > --- On Tue, 2/17/09, Luther Rath <rathluther@ ...> wrote:> > > > Luther Rath <rathluther@ ...>> > Re: Exaltation

with reference to star strength> > @gro ups.com> > Tuesday, February 17, 2009, 11:11 AM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected Sir,> > Thank you for at least a consideration regarding Sun's exaltion in> Aswini. I was studying this issue about a year back. I could justify> for some of the planets except one or two.According to my study the> constellations need to be changed for those planets. I never wanted to> bring controversies, since I am not an authority in astrology nor I> can face many more attackes from the traditionalists.> > Thanking you. With due regards.> > Dr. Rath.> > > > > > > > > > > > Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ >> > kpsystem groups

<@ gro ups.com>> > Tuesday, February 17, 2009 11:43:23 AM> > Exaltation with reference to star strength> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lutherji> > Sun's exaltation is justified with bright stars in the sign. Like> this can you give justification for other planets also.> > Dhanabalan> >>

 

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Dear Sir,

noted contents with thanks.

I am keen in the further study of members contribution.

rao chitturu--- On Thu, 19/2/09, Luther Rath <rathluther wrote:

Luther Rath <rathlutherRe: Re: Exaltation with reference to star strength-att:Dr.Rath Date: Thursday, 19 February, 2009, 7:23 PM

 

 

 

 

Dear Sir,

Evey one of us should have an open mind to honour the opinions of others. Clinching to existing concepts and closing doors for more scientific approach does not help us. The theories of revolution and rotation of earth have undergone remarkable change since about 3 centuries. But still we have stayed back. We have to adjust to changes and recent developments. No? It is becomming difficult to cope up.

Its only my feeling and not intended or pointing to any body. Its general.

With due regards.

Dr. Rath

 

 

 

rao chitturu <csr162002 >@gro ups.comThursday, February 19, 2009 11:17:45 AMRe: Re: Exaltation with reference to star strength-att: Dr.Rath

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dr.Rath sir,

I am happy you got my pont.

My intention is put before the members what information I have on the subject.

As it involves deep calculations of astronomy - I am not competent to certify / nor deny any body's openion/writings/ coments etc. - on the article I quoted- So I have humbly given the source of my information for the benefit of members.

I am happy to note that you have well received the contents-thought on them and also mentioned your openion- Only astronomers can clarify further -

rao chitturu

--- On Wed, 18/2/09, Luther Rath <rathluther > wrote:

Luther Rath <rathluther >Re: Re: Exaltation with reference to star strength@gro ups.comWednesday, 18 February, 2009, 12:00 PM

 

 

 

 

Dear Sirs,

I do not intend to say any thing against that which Rao Sir has referred to, regarding the exaltation.He has given the extract of Sloka 13, Chapter 1 of Brihat Jataka. He in fact quoted from AM of June 1991 explanined by Mr R. Krishna Murthy.

Mr Krushnamurty has explained that when Jupiter transits at 3 degrees in Cancer it is exalted.

Quotation, "From the Earth when we see Jupiter at Kataka 3, it implies that our earth is at Makara 3 as viewed from Jupiter". What I want to say is that the Earth has a definite relation with the Sun around which it revolves. Earth does not have such relationship with Jupiter as both of them are planets in solar system and both revolve around the Sun indipendently. So when Jupiter transits at Kataka 3 it does not necessarily imply that Earth is situated at Makara 3. For instance, on 29th June 2014 Jupiter transits at Kataka 3. But Earth cannot be at Makara 3. It is because on that day Sun is at Gemini 14. The Earth virtually remains at 180 degrees to Sun and therefore it is sure that Earth transits at Sagittarious 14 but not at Makara 13. Hence the explanation by Krushna Murtyji cannot be justified. It is up to the seniors to examine and comment.

With due Regards to all.

Dr. Rath

 

 

 

rao chitturu <csr162002 >@gro ups.comWednesday, February 18, 2009 10:55:30 AMRe: Re: Exaltation with reference to star strength

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

To all Members

Exaltation and debilitation theory was explained by Mr.R.Krishna Murthy in his article "Exaltation and Debilitation of planets" in A.M of June 1991 page 495...with reference to the planets rotation onn its own axis in zodiac and its exposure to the earth...

pl.see attachment for extractrao chitturu

--- On Tue, 17/2/09, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > wrote:

Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ >Re: Re: Exaltation with reference to star strength@gro ups.comTuesday, 17 February, 2009, 7:53 PM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Bohraji

It is clear that the westerners did not copy the vedic exaltation. They developed their own. Being so, how the exaltation differ. Which exaltation is correct. Whether vedic or western?

Dhanabalan--- On Tue, 2/17/09, msbohra62 <msbohra62 (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote:

msbohra62 <msbohra62 (AT) (DOT) co.in> Re: Exaltation with reference to star strength@gro ups.comTuesday, February 17, 2009, 1:28 PM

 

 

Dear Dhanbalanji,Points never be different of exaltation,getting effects because oftime difference will be different as Dasa period will be differentplace to place.Universe activities are at same the time but effects getting on earthwill be different place to place.Thanks,M.S.Bohra@gro ups.com, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ ...> wrote:>> Dear Bohraji> Thank for your reference. The exaltation point in vedic and westerndiffers.. I want to find the reason. Whether exaltation point differfrom place to place on the earth.> Dhanabalan> > --- On Tue, 2/17/09, msbohra62 <msbohra62@. ..> wrote:> > msbohra62 <msbohra62@. ..>> Re: Exaltation with reference to star strength> @gro ups.com> Tuesday, February 17, 2009, 12:23 PM> > > > > > > Dear Dhanbalanji,> > See the references of "Uttar Kalamrita" by Kalidas,where well describe> about Exaltation of planets is related to spirituality. Karattava of> planets in particular Nakhshatra exhibit maximum results so it> consider at particular point of degree as exaltation.> > In astrology spiritual and karakttava is very important because every> one have certain reason to take birth and live the life accordingly> his "Karma" in previous birth it is the concept of Indian Astrology> and all "Dharm-Shashtra" .If we take like this in astrology we will can> assume the right forth coming events of the Native.> > Thanks,> >

M.S.Bohra> > @gro ups.com, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ ...>wrote:> >> > Dear Lutherji> > I have studied in an article that the astrology is based on our> galaxy only.. But there are billions of galaxies in the universe like> our galaxy. The entire universe is effecting us. Universe is> expanding. Our galaxy has self rotation and revolving around a center> point. Exaltation points are to be recalculated and so on....> > The exaltation point in western astrology differs from vedic.. So I> have the doubt in the degree of exaltation. > > Dhanabalan> > --- On Tue, 2/17/09, Luther Rath <rathluther@ ...> wrote:> > > > Luther Rath <rathluther@ ...>> > Re: Exaltation with reference to star strength> > @gro

ups.com> > Tuesday, February 17, 2009, 11:11 AM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected Sir,> > Thank you for at least a consideration regarding Sun's exaltion in> Aswini. I was studying this issue about a year back. I could justify> for some of the planets except one or two.According to my study the> constellations need to be changed for those planets. I never wanted to> bring controversies, since I am not an authority in astrology nor I> can face many more attackes from the traditionalists.> > Thanking you. With due regards.> > Dr. Rath.> > > > > > > > > > > > Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ >> > kpsystem groups <@ gro ups.com>> > Tuesday, February 17,

2009 11:43:23 AM> > Exaltation with reference to star strength> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lutherji> > Sun's exaltation is justified with bright stars in the sign. Like> this can you give justification for other planets also.> > Dhanabalan> >>

 

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Dear Dr.Rath

Our charts in usage are Geo Centric - (i.e., as seen from earth - this was already mentioned by Mr.Dhanabalam in his mail.)

So earth is not indicated among the planets in the chart-

But the position of fortune (as shown in western charts and KP charts may indicate the place of earth among other planets.

Fotune formula: =(longitudes of Ascendent + Moon ) minus Sun.

We have calculate and seen in example charts with Jupiter in exalted posiion;

I have yet to calculate and verify.

rao chitturu--- On Thu, 19/2/09, Luther Rath <rathluther wrote:

Luther Rath <rathlutherRe: Re: Exaltation with reference to star strength-att:Dr.Rath Date: Thursday, 19 February, 2009, 7:23 PM

 

 

 

 

Dear Sir,

Evey one of us should have an open mind to honour the opinions of others. Clinching to existing concepts and closing doors for more scientific approach does not help us. The theories of revolution and rotation of earth have undergone remarkable change since about 3 centuries. But still we have stayed back. We have to adjust to changes and recent developments. No? It is becomming difficult to cope up.

Its only my feeling and not intended or pointing to any body. Its general.

With due regards.

Dr. Rath

 

 

 

rao chitturu <csr162002 >@gro ups.comThursday, February 19, 2009 11:17:45 AMRe: Re: Exaltation with reference to star strength-att: Dr.Rath

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dr.Rath sir,

I am happy you got my pont.

My intention is put before the members what information I have on the subject.

As it involves deep calculations of astronomy - I am not competent to certify / nor deny any body's openion/writings/ coments etc. - on the article I quoted- So I have humbly given the source of my information for the benefit of members.

I am happy to note that you have well received the contents-thought on them and also mentioned your openion- Only astronomers can clarify further -

rao chitturu

--- On Wed, 18/2/09, Luther Rath <rathluther > wrote:

Luther Rath <rathluther >Re: Re: Exaltation with reference to star strength@gro ups.comWednesday, 18 February, 2009, 12:00 PM

 

 

 

 

Dear Sirs,

I do not intend to say any thing against that which Rao Sir has referred to, regarding the exaltation.He has given the extract of Sloka 13, Chapter 1 of Brihat Jataka. He in fact quoted from AM of June 1991 explanined by Mr R. Krishna Murthy.

Mr Krushnamurty has explained that when Jupiter transits at 3 degrees in Cancer it is exalted.

Quotation, "From the Earth when we see Jupiter at Kataka 3, it implies that our earth is at Makara 3 as viewed from Jupiter". What I want to say is that the Earth has a definite relation with the Sun around which it revolves. Earth does not have such relationship with Jupiter as both of them are planets in solar system and both revolve around the Sun indipendently. So when Jupiter transits at Kataka 3 it does not necessarily imply that Earth is situated at Makara 3. For instance, on 29th June 2014 Jupiter transits at Kataka 3. But Earth cannot be at Makara 3. It is because on that day Sun is at Gemini 14. The Earth virtually remains at 180 degrees to Sun and therefore it is sure that Earth transits at Sagittarious 14 but not at Makara 13. Hence the explanation by Krushna Murtyji cannot be justified. It is up to the seniors to examine and comment.

With due Regards to all.

Dr. Rath

 

 

 

rao chitturu <csr162002 >@gro ups.comWednesday, February 18, 2009 10:55:30 AMRe: Re: Exaltation with reference to star strength

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

To all Members

Exaltation and debilitation theory was explained by Mr.R.Krishna Murthy in his article "Exaltation and Debilitation of planets" in A.M of June 1991 page 495...with reference to the planets rotation onn its own axis in zodiac and its exposure to the earth...

pl.see attachment for extractrao chitturu

--- On Tue, 17/2/09, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > wrote:

Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ >Re: Re: Exaltation with reference to star strength@gro ups.comTuesday, 17 February, 2009, 7:53 PM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Bohraji

It is clear that the westerners did not copy the vedic exaltation. They developed their own. Being so, how the exaltation differ. Which exaltation is correct. Whether vedic or western?

Dhanabalan--- On Tue, 2/17/09, msbohra62 <msbohra62 (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote:

msbohra62 <msbohra62 (AT) (DOT) co.in> Re: Exaltation with reference to star strength@gro ups.comTuesday, February 17, 2009, 1:28 PM

 

 

Dear Dhanbalanji,Points never be different of exaltation,getting effects because oftime difference will be different as Dasa period will be differentplace to place.Universe activities are at same the time but effects getting on earthwill be different place to place.Thanks,M.S.Bohra@gro ups.com, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ ...> wrote:>> Dear Bohraji> Thank for your reference. The exaltation point in vedic and westerndiffers.. I want to find the reason. Whether exaltation point differfrom place to place on the earth.> Dhanabalan> > --- On Tue, 2/17/09, msbohra62 <msbohra62@. ..> wrote:> > msbohra62 <msbohra62@. ..>> Re: Exaltation with reference to star strength> @gro ups.com> Tuesday, February 17, 2009, 12:23 PM> > > > > > > Dear Dhanbalanji,> > See the references of "Uttar Kalamrita" by Kalidas,where well describe> about Exaltation of planets is related to spirituality. Karattava of> planets in particular Nakhshatra exhibit maximum results so it> consider at particular point of degree as exaltation.> > In astrology spiritual and karakttava is very important because every> one have certain reason to take birth and live the life accordingly> his "Karma" in previous birth it is the concept of Indian Astrology> and all "Dharm-Shashtra" .If we take like this in astrology we will can> assume the right forth coming events of the Native.> > Thanks,> >

M.S.Bohra> > @gro ups.com, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ ...>wrote:> >> > Dear Lutherji> > I have studied in an article that the astrology is based on our> galaxy only.. But there are billions of galaxies in the universe like> our galaxy. The entire universe is effecting us. Universe is> expanding. Our galaxy has self rotation and revolving around a center> point. Exaltation points are to be recalculated and so on....> > The exaltation point in western astrology differs from vedic.. So I> have the doubt in the degree of exaltation. > > Dhanabalan> > --- On Tue, 2/17/09, Luther Rath <rathluther@ ...> wrote:> > > > Luther Rath <rathluther@ ...>> > Re: Exaltation with reference to star strength> > @gro

ups.com> > Tuesday, February 17, 2009, 11:11 AM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected Sir,> > Thank you for at least a consideration regarding Sun's exaltion in> Aswini. I was studying this issue about a year back. I could justify> for some of the planets except one or two.According to my study the> constellations need to be changed for those planets. I never wanted to> bring controversies, since I am not an authority in astrology nor I> can face many more attackes from the traditionalists.> > Thanking you. With due regards.> > Dr. Rath.> > > > > > > > > > > > Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ >> > kpsystem groups <@ gro ups.com>> > Tuesday, February 17,

2009 11:43:23 AM> > Exaltation with reference to star strength> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lutherji> > Sun's exaltation is justified with bright stars in the sign. Like> this can you give justification for other planets also.> > Dhanabalan> >>

 

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Dear Rao Sir,

Namaskar.

Exaltation points for different planets are already defined and in no case can be denied unless otherwise prooved. I do not intend to say that Jupiter is not exalted at 3 degrees n Cancer. But on this point we cannot say that, 'it implies that our Earth is at Makara 3 degrees'.

On 29th June 2014 when Jupiter shall be at 3 degrees in Cancer, Sun transits at 74 degrees and Moon at 90 degrees (approximately). Ascendant shall be at 78 degrees at 5-30 AM on that day. So fortuna falls at 94 degrees i.e. Cancer 4 degrees not in Makara. This also does not suit for finding the location of the Earth.

Therefore I wanted to say an implication cannot be relied upon. Sri Dhanabalanji said that the Earth is at the center of the chart. This again implies that the Earth is at the center of the solar system. This is the theory of 2nd century. Science has changed this concept since 17th century. But astrology has laged back by 3 centuries. We cannot change over-night. It is very dfficult to alter the old science of astrology. But one should be concerned about it, else what the educated mass and the scientists say? We must find out the position of the Earth in the zodiac and the chart, sincerely.

With regards.

Dr. Rath

 

 

 

rao chitturu <csr162002 Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 8:29:14 AMRe: Re: Exaltation with reference to star strength-att:Dr.Rath

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Dr.Rath

Our charts in usage are Geo Centric - (i.e., as seen from earth - this was already mentioned by Mr.Dhanabalam in his mail.)

So earth is not indicated among the planets in the chart-

But the position of fortune (as shown in western charts and KP charts may indicate the place of earth among other planets.

Fotune formula: =(longitudes of Ascendent + Moon ) minus Sun.

We have calculate and seen in example charts with Jupiter in exalted posiion;

I have yet to calculate and verify.

rao chitturu--- On Thu, 19/2/09, Luther Rath <rathluther > wrote:

Luther Rath <rathluther >Re: Re: Exaltation with reference to star strength-att: Dr.Rath@gro ups.comThursday, 19 February, 2009, 7:23 PM

 

 

 

 

Dear Sir,

Evey one of us should have an open mind to honour the opinions of others. Clinching to existing concepts and closing doors for more scientific approach does not help us. The theories of revolution and rotation of earth have undergone remarkable change since about 3 centuries. But still we have stayed back. We have to adjust to changes and recent developments. No? It is becomming difficult to cope up.

Its only my feeling and not intended or pointing to any body. Its general.

With due regards.

Dr. Rath

 

 

 

rao chitturu <csr162002 >@gro ups.comThursday, February 19, 2009 11:17:45 AMRe: Re: Exaltation with reference to star strength-att: Dr.Rath

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dr.Rath sir,

I am happy you got my pont.

My intention is put before the members what information I have on the subject.

As it involves deep calculations of astronomy - I am not competent to certify / nor deny any body's openion/writings/ coments etc. - on the article I quoted- So I have humbly given the source of my information for the benefit of members.

I am happy to note that you have well received the contents-thought on them and also mentioned your openion- Only astronomers can clarify further -

rao chitturu

--- On Wed, 18/2/09, Luther Rath <rathluther > wrote:

Luther Rath <rathluther >Re: Re: Exaltation with reference to star strength@gro ups.comWednesday, 18 February, 2009, 12:00 PM

 

 

 

 

Dear Sirs,

I do not intend to say any thing against that which Rao Sir has referred to, regarding the exaltation.He has given the extract of Sloka 13, Chapter 1 of Brihat Jataka. He in fact quoted from AM of June 1991 explanined by Mr R. Krishna Murthy.

Mr Krushnamurty has explained that when Jupiter transits at 3 degrees in Cancer it is exalted.

Quotation, "From the Earth when we see Jupiter at Kataka 3, it implies that our earth is at Makara 3 as viewed from Jupiter". What I want to say is that the Earth has a definite relation with the Sun around which it revolves. Earth does not have such relationship with Jupiter as both of them are planets in solar system and both revolve around the Sun indipendently. So when Jupiter transits at Kataka 3 it does not necessarily imply that Earth is situated at Makara 3. For instance, on 29th June 2014 Jupiter transits at Kataka 3. But Earth cannot be at Makara 3. It is because on that day Sun is at Gemini 14. The Earth virtually remains at 180 degrees to Sun and therefore it is sure that Earth transits at Sagittarious 14 but not at Makara 13. Hence the explanation by Krushna Murtyji cannot be justified. It is up to the seniors to examine and comment.

With due Regards to all.

Dr. Rath

 

 

 

rao chitturu <csr162002 >@gro ups.comWednesday, February 18, 2009 10:55:30 AMRe: Re: Exaltation with reference to star strength

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

To all Members

Exaltation and debilitation theory was explained by Mr.R.Krishna Murthy in his article "Exaltation and Debilitation of planets" in A.M of June 1991 page 495...with reference to the planets rotation onn its own axis in zodiac and its exposure to the earth...

pl.see attachment for extractrao chitturu

--- On Tue, 17/2/09, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > wrote:

Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ >Re: Re: Exaltation with reference to star strength@gro ups.comTuesday, 17 February, 2009, 7:53 PM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Bohraji

It is clear that the westerners did not copy the vedic exaltation. They developed their own. Being so, how the exaltation differ. Which exaltation is correct. Whether vedic or western?

Dhanabalan--- On Tue, 2/17/09, msbohra62 <msbohra62 (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote:

msbohra62 <msbohra62 (AT) (DOT) co.in> Re: Exaltation with reference to star strength@gro ups.comTuesday, February 17, 2009, 1:28 PM

 

 

Dear Dhanbalanji,Points never be different of exaltation,getting effects because oftime difference will be different as Dasa period will be differentplace to place.Universe activities are at same the time but effects getting on earthwill be different place to place.Thanks,M.S.Bohra@gro ups.com, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ ...> wrote:>> Dear Bohraji> Thank for your reference. The exaltation point in vedic and westerndiffers.. I want to find the reason. Whether exaltation point differfrom place to place on the earth.> Dhanabalan> > --- On Tue, 2/17/09, msbohra62 <msbohra62@. ..> wrote:> > msbohra62 <msbohra62@. ..>> Re: Exaltation with

reference to star strength> @gro ups.com> Tuesday, February 17, 2009, 12:23 PM> > > > > > > Dear Dhanbalanji,> > See the references of "Uttar Kalamrita" by Kalidas,where well describe> about Exaltation of planets is related to spirituality. Karattava of> planets in particular Nakhshatra exhibit maximum results so it> consider at particular point of degree as exaltation.> > In astrology spiritual and karakttava is very important because every> one have certain reason to take birth and live the life accordingly> his "Karma" in previous birth it is the concept of Indian Astrology> and all "Dharm-Shashtra" .If we take like this in astrology we will can> assume the right

forth coming events of the Native.> > Thanks,> > M.S.Bohra> > @gro ups.com, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ ...>wrote:> >> > Dear Lutherji> > I have studied in an article that the astrology is based on our> galaxy only.. But there are billions of galaxies in the universe like> our galaxy. The entire universe is effecting us. Universe is> expanding. Our galaxy has self rotation and revolving around a center> point. Exaltation points are to be recalculated and so on....> > The exaltation point in western astrology differs from vedic.. So I> have the doubt in the degree of exaltation. > > Dhanabalan> > --- On Tue, 2/17/09, Luther Rath <rathluther@ ...> wrote:> > > > Luther Rath <rathluther@ ...>> > Re: Exaltation

with reference to star strength> > @gro ups.com> > Tuesday, February 17, 2009, 11:11 AM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected Sir,> > Thank you for at least a consideration regarding Sun's exaltion in> Aswini. I was studying this issue about a year back. I could justify> for some of the planets except one or two.According to my study the> constellations need to be changed for those planets. I never wanted to> bring controversies, since I am not an authority in astrology nor I> can face many more attackes from the traditionalists.> > Thanking you. With due regards.> > Dr. Rath.> > > > > > > > > > > > Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ >> > kpsystem groups

<@ gro ups.com>> > Tuesday, February 17, 2009 11:43:23 AM> > Exaltation with reference to star strength> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lutherji> > Sun's exaltation is justified with bright stars in the sign. Like> this can you give justification for other planets also.> > Dhanabalan> >>

 

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Dear Luther ji

I have already discussed with many leading astrologers. All said that in rasi chart, the earth is in the centre of rasi chart. If one sees from cancer, the earth appears to be in Makara. If you accept the concept of rasi chart, you have to accept this also.I will give you evidence afterwards.

Dhanabalan--- On Thu, 2/26/09, Luther Rath <rathluther wrote:

Luther Rath <rathlutherRe: Re: Exaltation with reference to star strength-att:Dr.Rath Date: Thursday, February 26, 2009, 1:31 AM

 

 

 

 

Dear Rao Sir,

Namaskar.

Exaltation points for different planets are already defined and in no case can be denied unless otherwise prooved. I do not intend to say that Jupiter is not exalted at 3 degrees n Cancer. But on this point we cannot say that, 'it implies that our Earth is at Makara 3 degrees'.

On 29th June 2014 when Jupiter shall be at 3 degrees in Cancer, Sun transits at 74 degrees and Moon at 90 degrees (approximately) . Ascendant shall be at 78 degrees at 5-30 AM on that day. So fortuna falls at 94 degrees i.e. Cancer 4 degrees not in Makara. This also does not suit for finding the location of the Earth.

Therefore I wanted to say an implication cannot be relied upon. Sri Dhanabalanji said that the Earth is at the center of the chart. This again implies that the Earth is at the center of the solar system. This is the theory of 2nd century. Science has changed this concept since 17th century. But astrology has laged back by 3 centuries. We cannot change over-night. It is very dfficult to alter the old science of astrology. But one should be concerned about it, else what the educated mass and the scientists say? We must find out the position of the Earth in the zodiac and the chart, sincerely.

With regards.

Dr. Rath

 

 

 

rao chitturu <csr162002 >@gro ups.comSaturday, February 21, 2009 8:29:14 AMRe: Re: Exaltation with reference to star strength-att: Dr.Rath

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Dr.Rath

Our charts in usage are Geo Centric - (i.e., as seen from earth - this was already mentioned by Mr.Dhanabalam in his mail.)

So earth is not indicated among the planets in the chart-

But the position of fortune (as shown in western charts and KP charts may indicate the place of earth among other planets.

Fotune formula: =(longitudes of Ascendent + Moon ) minus Sun.

We have calculate and seen in example charts with Jupiter in exalted posiion;

I have yet to calculate and verify.

rao chitturu--- On Thu, 19/2/09, Luther Rath <rathluther > wrote:

Luther Rath <rathluther >Re: Re: Exaltation with reference to star strength-att: Dr.Rath@gro ups.comThursday, 19 February, 2009, 7:23 PM

 

 

 

 

Dear Sir,

Evey one of us should have an open mind to honour the opinions of others. Clinching to existing concepts and closing doors for more scientific approach does not help us. The theories of revolution and rotation of earth have undergone remarkable change since about 3 centuries. But still we have stayed back. We have to adjust to changes and recent developments. No? It is becomming difficult to cope up.

Its only my feeling and not intended or pointing to any body. Its general.

With due regards.

Dr. Rath

 

 

 

rao chitturu <csr162002 >@gro ups.comThursday, February 19, 2009 11:17:45 AMRe: Re: Exaltation with reference to star strength-att: Dr.Rath

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dr.Rath sir,

I am happy you got my pont.

My intention is put before the members what information I have on the subject.

As it involves deep calculations of astronomy - I am not competent to certify / nor deny any body's openion/writings/ coments etc. - on the article I quoted- So I have humbly given the source of my information for the benefit of members.

I am happy to note that you have well received the contents-thought on them and also mentioned your openion- Only astronomers can clarify further -

rao chitturu

--- On Wed, 18/2/09, Luther Rath <rathluther > wrote:

Luther Rath <rathluther >Re: Re: Exaltation with reference to star strength@gro ups.comWednesday, 18 February, 2009, 12:00 PM

 

 

 

 

Dear Sirs,

I do not intend to say any thing against that which Rao Sir has referred to, regarding the exaltation.He has given the extract of Sloka 13, Chapter 1 of Brihat Jataka. He in fact quoted from AM of June 1991 explanined by Mr R. Krishna Murthy.

Mr Krushnamurty has explained that when Jupiter transits at 3 degrees in Cancer it is exalted.

Quotation, "From the Earth when we see Jupiter at Kataka 3, it implies that our earth is at Makara 3 as viewed from Jupiter". What I want to say is that the Earth has a definite relation with the Sun around which it revolves. Earth does not have such relationship with Jupiter as both of them are planets in solar system and both revolve around the Sun indipendently. So when Jupiter transits at Kataka 3 it does not necessarily imply that Earth is situated at Makara 3. For instance, on 29th June 2014 Jupiter transits at Kataka 3. But Earth cannot be at Makara 3. It is because on that day Sun is at Gemini 14. The Earth virtually remains at 180 degrees to Sun and therefore it is sure that Earth transits at Sagittarious 14 but not at Makara 13. Hence the explanation by Krushna Murtyji cannot be justified. It is up to the seniors to examine and comment.

With due Regards to all.

Dr. Rath

 

 

 

rao chitturu <csr162002 >@gro ups.comWednesday, February 18, 2009 10:55:30 AMRe: Re: Exaltation with reference to star strength

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

To all Members

Exaltation and debilitation theory was explained by Mr.R.Krishna Murthy in his article "Exaltation and Debilitation of planets" in A.M of June 1991 page 495...with reference to the planets rotation onn its own axis in zodiac and its exposure to the earth...

pl.see attachment for extractrao chitturu

--- On Tue, 17/2/09, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > wrote:

Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ >Re: Re: Exaltation with reference to star strength@gro ups.comTuesday, 17 February, 2009, 7:53 PM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Bohraji

It is clear that the westerners did not copy the vedic exaltation. They developed their own. Being so, how the exaltation differ. Which exaltation is correct. Whether vedic or western?

Dhanabalan--- On Tue, 2/17/09, msbohra62 <msbohra62 (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote:

msbohra62 <msbohra62 (AT) (DOT) co.in> Re: Exaltation with reference to star strength@gro ups.comTuesday, February 17, 2009, 1:28 PM

 

 

Dear Dhanbalanji,Points never be different of exaltation,getting effects because oftime difference will be different as Dasa period will be differentplace to place.Universe activities are at same the time but effects getting on earthwill be different place to place.Thanks,M.S.Bohra@gro ups.com, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ ...> wrote:>> Dear Bohraji> Thank for your reference. The exaltation point in vedic and westerndiffers.. I want to find the reason. Whether exaltation point differfrom place to place on the earth.> Dhanabalan> > --- On Tue, 2/17/09, msbohra62 <msbohra62@. ..> wrote:> > msbohra62 <msbohra62@. ..>> Re: Exaltation with reference to star strength> @gro ups.com> Tuesday, February 17, 2009, 12:23 PM> > > > > > > Dear Dhanbalanji,> > See the references of "Uttar Kalamrita" by Kalidas,where well describe> about Exaltation of planets is related to spirituality. Karattava of> planets in particular Nakhshatra exhibit maximum results so it> consider at particular point of degree as exaltation.> > In astrology spiritual and karakttava is very important because every> one have certain reason to take birth and live the life accordingly> his "Karma" in previous birth it is the concept of Indian Astrology> and all "Dharm-Shashtra" .If we take like this in astrology we will can> assume the right forth coming events of the Native.> > Thanks,> >

M.S.Bohra> > @gro ups.com, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ ...>wrote:> >> > Dear Lutherji> > I have studied in an article that the astrology is based on our> galaxy only.. But there are billions of galaxies in the universe like> our galaxy. The entire universe is effecting us. Universe is> expanding. Our galaxy has self rotation and revolving around a center> point. Exaltation points are to be recalculated and so on....> > The exaltation point in western astrology differs from vedic.. So I> have the doubt in the degree of exaltation. > > Dhanabalan> > --- On Tue, 2/17/09, Luther Rath <rathluther@ ...> wrote:> > > > Luther Rath <rathluther@ ...>> > Re: Exaltation with reference to star strength> > @gro

ups.com> > Tuesday, February 17, 2009, 11:11 AM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected Sir,> > Thank you for at least a consideration regarding Sun's exaltion in> Aswini. I was studying this issue about a year back. I could justify> for some of the planets except one or two.According to my study the> constellations need to be changed for those planets. I never wanted to> bring controversies, since I am not an authority in astrology nor I> can face many more attackes from the traditionalists.> > Thanking you. With due regards.> > Dr. Rath.> > > > > > > > > > > > Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ >> > kpsystem groups <@ gro ups.com>> > Tuesday, February 17,

2009 11:43:23 AM> > Exaltation with reference to star strength> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lutherji> > Sun's exaltation is justified with bright stars in the sign. Like> this can you give justification for other planets also.> > Dhanabalan> >>

 

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Dear Shri.Luther Ji

The formula of fotuna may not be suitable for finding the place of earth - I have only expected that - So leave that formula. Howerver, I am glad for your calculations.

Coming to the place of earth on our Rasi charts -which basically geo-centric - earth is at the center - So when Jupiter is seen at cancer - earth is in between cancer and Capricorn if you take 180 degrees line from cancer –

 

Sri Dhanabalanji said that the Earth is at the center of the chart. Because our rasi charts are geo-centric – that means as seen from earth- I aso say the same.

The other type is Heileo-centric –where Sun is at the center – Astronomers use Heileo-centric charts.

 

Improvements in astronomical theories are doubtless. Development in astronomical theories cannot change the rotation of planets and relationship among them –with reference to earth or sun.

As far as astrological charts are geo-centric apparent place of earth and consequent reception of planets (jupiter in our example)-power at certain points - say exaltation or debilitation cannot change.

 

I think the whole exercise, among us has started with the chance of finding reasons for exaltation / debilitation points- - I think old astrological theories are adequate to understand these points of exaltation.

rao chitturu

 

 

 

--- On Thu, 26/2/09, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan wrote:

Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalanRe: Re: Exaltation with reference to star strength-att:Dr.Rath Date: Thursday, 26 February, 2009, 10:03 AM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Luther ji

I have already discussed with many leading astrologers. All said that in rasi chart, the earth is in the centre of rasi chart. If one sees from cancer, the earth appears to be in Makara. If you accept the concept of rasi chart, you have to accept this also.I will give you evidence afterwards.

Dhanabalan--- On Thu, 2/26/09, Luther Rath <rathluther > wrote:

Luther Rath <rathluther >Re: Re: Exaltation with reference to star strength-att: Dr.Rath@gro ups.comThursday, February 26, 2009, 1:31 AM

 

 

 

 

Dear Rao Sir,

Namaskar.

Exaltation points for different planets are already defined and in no case can be denied unless otherwise prooved. I do not intend to say that Jupiter is not exalted at 3 degrees n Cancer. But on this point we cannot say that, 'it implies that our Earth is at Makara 3 degrees'.

On 29th June 2014 when Jupiter shall be at 3 degrees in Cancer, Sun transits at 74 degrees and Moon at 90 degrees (approximately) . Ascendant shall be at 78 degrees at 5-30 AM on that day. So fortuna falls at 94 degrees i.e. Cancer 4 degrees not in Makara. This also does not suit for finding the location of the Earth.

Therefore I wanted to say an implication cannot be relied upon. Sri Dhanabalanji said that the Earth is at the center of the chart. This again implies that the Earth is at the center of the solar system. This is the theory of 2nd century. Science has changed this concept since 17th century. But astrology has laged back by 3 centuries. We cannot change over-night. It is very dfficult to alter the old science of astrology. But one should be concerned about it, else what the educated mass and the scientists say? We must find out the position of the Earth in the zodiac and the chart, sincerely.

With regards.

Dr. Rath

 

 

 

rao chitturu <csr162002 >@gro ups.comSaturday, February 21, 2009 8:29:14 AMRe: Re: Exaltation with reference to star strength-att: Dr.Rath

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Dr.Rath

Our charts in usage are Geo Centric - (i.e., as seen from earth - this was already mentioned by Mr.Dhanabalam in his mail.)

So earth is not indicated among the planets in the chart-

But the position of fortune (as shown in western charts and KP charts may indicate the place of earth among other planets.

Fotune formula: =(longitudes of Ascendent + Moon ) minus Sun.

We have calculate and seen in example charts with Jupiter in exalted posiion;

I have yet to calculate and verify.

rao chitturu--- On Thu, 19/2/09, Luther Rath <rathluther > wrote:

Luther Rath <rathluther >Re: Re: Exaltation with reference to star strength-att: Dr.Rath@gro ups.comThursday, 19 February, 2009, 7:23 PM

 

 

 

 

Dear Sir,

Evey one of us should have an open mind to honour the opinions of others. Clinching to existing concepts and closing doors for more scientific approach does not help us. The theories of revolution and rotation of earth have undergone remarkable change since about 3 centuries. But still we have stayed back. We have to adjust to changes and recent developments. No? It is becomming difficult to cope up.

Its only my feeling and not intended or pointing to any body. Its general.

With due regards.

Dr. Rath

 

 

 

rao chitturu <csr162002 >@gro ups.comThursday, February 19, 2009 11:17:45 AMRe: Re: Exaltation with reference to star strength-att: Dr.Rath

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dr.Rath sir,

I am happy you got my pont.

My intention is put before the members what information I have on the subject.

As it involves deep calculations of astronomy - I am not competent to certify / nor deny any body's openion/writings/ coments etc. - on the article I quoted- So I have humbly given the source of my information for the benefit of members.

I am happy to note that you have well received the contents-thought on them and also mentioned your openion- Only astronomers can clarify further -

rao chitturu

--- On Wed, 18/2/09, Luther Rath <rathluther > wrote:

Luther Rath <rathluther >Re: Re: Exaltation with reference to star strength@gro ups.comWednesday, 18 February, 2009, 12:00 PM

 

 

 

 

Dear Sirs,

I do not intend to say any thing against that which Rao Sir has referred to, regarding the exaltation.He has given the extract of Sloka 13, Chapter 1 of Brihat Jataka. He in fact quoted from AM of June 1991 explanined by Mr R. Krishna Murthy.

Mr Krushnamurty has explained that when Jupiter transits at 3 degrees in Cancer it is exalted.

Quotation, "From the Earth when we see Jupiter at Kataka 3, it implies that our earth is at Makara 3 as viewed from Jupiter". What I want to say is that the Earth has a definite relation with the Sun around which it revolves. Earth does not have such relationship with Jupiter as both of them are planets in solar system and both revolve around the Sun indipendently. So when Jupiter transits at Kataka 3 it does not necessarily imply that Earth is situated at Makara 3. For instance, on 29th June 2014 Jupiter transits at Kataka 3. But Earth cannot be at Makara 3. It is because on that day Sun is at Gemini 14. The Earth virtually remains at 180 degrees to Sun and therefore it is sure that Earth transits at Sagittarious 14 but not at Makara 13. Hence the explanation by Krushna Murtyji cannot be justified. It is up to the seniors to examine and comment.

With due Regards to all.

Dr. Rath

 

 

 

rao chitturu <csr162002 >@gro ups.comWednesday, February 18, 2009 10:55:30 AMRe: Re: Exaltation with reference to star strength

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

To all Members

Exaltation and debilitation theory was explained by Mr.R.Krishna Murthy in his article "Exaltation and Debilitation of planets" in A.M of June 1991 page 495...with reference to the planets rotation onn its own axis in zodiac and its exposure to the earth...

pl.see attachment for extractrao chitturu

--- On Tue, 17/2/09, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > wrote:

Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ >Re: Re: Exaltation with reference to star strength@gro ups.comTuesday, 17 February, 2009, 7:53 PM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Bohraji

It is clear that the westerners did not copy the vedic exaltation. They developed their own. Being so, how the exaltation differ. Which exaltation is correct. Whether vedic or western?

Dhanabalan--- On Tue, 2/17/09, msbohra62 <msbohra62 (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote:

msbohra62 <msbohra62 (AT) (DOT) co.in> Re: Exaltation with reference to star strength@gro ups.comTuesday, February 17, 2009, 1:28 PM

 

 

Dear Dhanbalanji,Points never be different of exaltation,getting effects because oftime difference will be different as Dasa period will be differentplace to place.Universe activities are at same the time but effects getting on earthwill be different place to place.Thanks,M.S.Bohra@gro ups.com, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ ...> wrote:>> Dear Bohraji> Thank for your reference. The exaltation point in vedic and westerndiffers.. I want to find the reason. Whether exaltation point differfrom place to place on the earth.> Dhanabalan> > --- On Tue, 2/17/09, msbohra62 <msbohra62@. ..> wrote:> > msbohra62 <msbohra62@. ..>> Re: Exaltation with reference to star strength> @gro ups.com> Tuesday, February 17, 2009, 12:23 PM> > > > > > > Dear Dhanbalanji,> > See the references of "Uttar Kalamrita" by Kalidas,where well describe> about Exaltation of planets is related to spirituality. Karattava of> planets in particular Nakhshatra exhibit maximum results so it> consider at particular point of degree as exaltation.> > In astrology spiritual and karakttava is very important because every> one have certain reason to take birth and live the life accordingly> his "Karma" in previous birth it is the concept of Indian Astrology> and all "Dharm-Shashtra" .If we take like this in astrology we will can> assume the right forth coming events of the Native.> > Thanks,> >

M.S.Bohra> > @gro ups.com, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ ...>wrote:> >> > Dear Lutherji> > I have studied in an article that the astrology is based on our> galaxy only.. But there are billions of galaxies in the universe like> our galaxy. The entire universe is effecting us. Universe is> expanding. Our galaxy has self rotation and revolving around a center> point. Exaltation points are to be recalculated and so on.....> > The exaltation point in western astrology differs from vedic.. So I> have the doubt in the degree of exaltation. > > Dhanabalan> > --- On Tue, 2/17/09, Luther Rath <rathluther@ ...> wrote:> > > > Luther Rath <rathluther@ ...>> > Re: Exaltation with reference to star strength> > @gro

ups.com> > Tuesday, February 17, 2009, 11:11 AM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected Sir,> > Thank you for at least a consideration regarding Sun's exaltion in> Aswini. I was studying this issue about a year back. I could justify> for some of the planets except one or two.According to my study the> constellations need to be changed for those planets. I never wanted to> bring controversies, since I am not an authority in astrology nor I> can face many more attackes from the traditionalists.> > Thanking you. With due regards.> > Dr. Rath.> > > > > > > > > > > > Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ >> > kpsystem groups <@ gro ups.com>> > Tuesday, February 17,

2009 11:43:23 AM> > Exaltation with reference to star strength> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lutherji> > Sun's exaltation is justified with bright stars in the sign. Like> this can you give justification for other planets also.> > Dhanabalan> >>

 

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Respected Sir,

I am so grateful for explaining me the way you did. Thank you so much.

I have got nothing to say regarding the points of exaltation and debilitation of differeent planets. From the observation and experience of the Munis and Rishis and other great astrologers the points have been determined. We cannot disprove them at this level.

The only confusing point was regarding the assumtion that earth is implied to have been at 3 degrees in Makara when Jupiter transits at 3 degrees in Cancer. Supposing on the same day Venus transits at 27 degrees in Pisces, we would say that the Earth is implied to be at 27 degrees in Virgo. Saturn could occupy 20 degrees in Libra and then Earth is aspected to be at 20 degrees in Aries. How could we expect the Earth at three different places? Yes, when we observe from Jupiter or Venus or Saturn it appears to be so. But how does it help us in astrology, or in prediction ? Is there any basis to consider this apparent contradicting location of Earth on the same day? Does it in any way change our predictions? I am not clear on this pint. I shall be ever grateful to have your valuable openion.

Will you please explain why a particular planet is exalted at a particular point or particular constellation, planetwise? Of courese if time permits, Sir.

With due respect.

Dr. Rath

 

 

 

rao chitturu <csr162002 Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2009 9:07:33 PMRe: Re: Exaltation with reference to star strength-att:Dr.Rath

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Shri.Luther Ji

The formula of fotuna may not be suitable for finding the place of earth - I have only expected that - So leave that formula. Howerver, I am glad for your calculations.

Coming to the place of earth on our Rasi charts -which basically geo-centric - earth is at the center - So when Jupiter is seen at cancer - earth is in between cancer and Capricorn if you take 180 degrees line from cancer –

 

Sri Dhanabalanji said that the Earth is at the center of the chart. Because our rasi charts are geo-centric – that means as seen from earth- I aso say the same.

The other type is Heileo-centric –where Sun is at the center – Astronomers use Heileo-centric charts.

Improvements in astronomical theories are doubtless. Development in astronomical theories cannot change the rotation of planets and relationship among them –with reference to earth or sun.

As far as astrological charts are geo-centric apparent place of earth and consequent reception of planets (jupiter in our example)-power at certain points - say exaltation or debilitation cannot change.

 

I think the whole exercise, among us has started with the chance of finding reasons for exaltation / debilitation points- - I think old astrological theories are adequate to understand these points of exaltation.

rao chitturu

 

--- On Thu, 26/2/09, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > wrote:

Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ >Re: Re: Exaltation with reference to star strength-att: Dr.Rath@gro ups.comThursday, 26 February, 2009, 10:03 AM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Luther ji

I have already discussed with many leading astrologers. All said that in rasi chart, the earth is in the centre of rasi chart. If one sees from cancer, the earth appears to be in Makara. If you accept the concept of rasi chart, you have to accept this also.I will give you evidence afterwards.

Dhanabalan--- On Thu, 2/26/09, Luther Rath <rathluther > wrote:

Luther Rath <rathluther >Re: Re: Exaltation with reference to star strength-att: Dr.Rath@gro ups.comThursday, February 26, 2009, 1:31 AM

 

 

 

 

Dear Rao Sir,

Namaskar.

Exaltation points for different planets are already defined and in no case can be denied unless otherwise prooved. I do not intend to say that Jupiter is not exalted at 3 degrees n Cancer. But on this point we cannot say that, 'it implies that our Earth is at Makara 3 degrees'.

On 29th June 2014 when Jupiter shall be at 3 degrees in Cancer, Sun transits at 74 degrees and Moon at 90 degrees (approximately) . Ascendant shall be at 78 degrees at 5-30 AM on that day. So fortuna falls at 94 degrees i.e. Cancer 4 degrees not in Makara.. This also does not suit for finding the location of the Earth.

Therefore I wanted to say an implication cannot be relied upon. Sri Dhanabalanji said that the Earth is at the center of the chart. This again implies that the Earth is at the center of the solar system. This is the theory of 2nd century. Science has changed this concept since 17th century. But astrology has laged back by 3 centuries. We cannot change over-night. It is very dfficult to alter the old science of astrology. But one should be concerned about it, else what the educated mass and the scientists say? We must find out the position of the Earth in the zodiac and the chart, sincerely.

With regards.

Dr. Rath

 

 

 

rao chitturu <csr162002 >@gro ups.comSaturday, February 21, 2009 8:29:14 AMRe: Re: Exaltation with reference to star strength-att: Dr.Rath

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Dr.Rath

Our charts in usage are Geo Centric - (i.e., as seen from earth - this was already mentioned by Mr.Dhanabalam in his mail.)

So earth is not indicated among the planets in the chart-

But the position of fortune (as shown in western charts and KP charts may indicate the place of earth among other planets.

Fotune formula: =(longitudes of Ascendent + Moon ) minus Sun.

We have calculate and seen in example charts with Jupiter in exalted posiion;

I have yet to calculate and verify.

rao chitturu--- On Thu, 19/2/09, Luther Rath <rathluther > wrote:

Luther Rath <rathluther >Re: Re: Exaltation with reference to star strength-att: Dr.Rath@gro ups.comThursday, 19 February, 2009, 7:23 PM

 

 

 

 

Dear Sir,

Evey one of us should have an open mind to honour the opinions of others. Clinching to existing concepts and closing doors for more scientific approach does not help us. The theories of revolution and rotation of earth have undergone remarkable change since about 3 centuries. But still we have stayed back. We have to adjust to changes and recent developments. No? It is becomming difficult to cope up.

Its only my feeling and not intended or pointing to any body. Its general.

With due regards.

Dr. Rath

 

 

 

rao chitturu <csr162002 >@gro ups.comThursday, February 19, 2009 11:17:45 AMRe: Re: Exaltation with reference to star strength-att: Dr.Rath

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dr.Rath sir,

I am happy you got my pont.

My intention is put before the members what information I have on the subject.

As it involves deep calculations of astronomy - I am not competent to certify / nor deny any body's openion/writings/ coments etc. - on the article I quoted- So I have humbly given the source of my information for the benefit of members.

I am happy to note that you have well received the contents-thought on them and also mentioned your openion- Only astronomers can clarify further -

rao chitturu

--- On Wed, 18/2/09, Luther Rath <rathluther > wrote:

Luther Rath <rathluther >Re: Re: Exaltation with reference to star strength@gro ups.comWednesday, 18 February, 2009, 12:00 PM

 

 

 

 

Dear Sirs,

I do not intend to say any thing against that which Rao Sir has referred to, regarding the exaltation.He has given the extract of Sloka 13, Chapter 1 of Brihat Jataka. He in fact quoted from AM of June 1991 explanined by Mr R. Krishna Murthy.

Mr Krushnamurty has explained that when Jupiter transits at 3 degrees in Cancer it is exalted.

Quotation, "From the Earth when we see Jupiter at Kataka 3, it implies that our earth is at Makara 3 as viewed from Jupiter". What I want to say is that the Earth has a definite relation with the Sun around which it revolves. Earth does not have such relationship with Jupiter as both of them are planets in solar system and both revolve around the Sun indipendently. So when Jupiter transits at Kataka 3 it does not necessarily imply that Earth is situated at Makara 3. For instance, on 29th June 2014 Jupiter transits at Kataka 3. But Earth cannot be at Makara 3. It is because on that day Sun is at Gemini 14. The Earth virtually remains at 180 degrees to Sun and therefore it is sure that Earth transits at Sagittarious 14 but not at Makara 13. Hence the explanation by Krushna Murtyji cannot be justified. It is up to the seniors to examine and comment.

With due Regards to all.

Dr. Rath

 

 

 

rao chitturu <csr162002 >@gro ups.comWednesday, February 18, 2009 10:55:30 AMRe: Re: Exaltation with reference to star strength

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

To all Members

Exaltation and debilitation theory was explained by Mr.R.Krishna Murthy in his article "Exaltation and Debilitation of planets" in A.M of June 1991 page 495...with reference to the planets rotation onn its own axis in zodiac and its exposure to the earth...

pl.see attachment for extractrao chitturu

--- On Tue, 17/2/09, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > wrote:

Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ ..com>Re: Re: Exaltation with reference to star strength@gro ups.comTuesday, 17 February, 2009, 7:53 PM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Bohraji

It is clear that the westerners did not copy the vedic exaltation. They developed their own. Being so, how the exaltation differ. Which exaltation is correct. Whether vedic or western?

Dhanabalan--- On Tue, 2/17/09, msbohra62 <msbohra62 (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote:

msbohra62 <msbohra62 (AT) (DOT) co.in> Re: Exaltation with reference to star strength@gro ups.comTuesday, February 17, 2009, 1:28 PM

 

 

Dear Dhanbalanji,Points never be different of exaltation,getting effects because oftime difference will be different as Dasa period will be differentplace to place.Universe activities are at same the time but effects getting on earthwill be different place to place.Thanks,M.S.Bohra@gro ups.com, Dhanabalan R <r..dhanabalan@ ...> wrote:>> Dear Bohraji> Thank for your reference. The exaltation point in vedic and westerndiffers.. I want to find the reason. Whether exaltation point differfrom place to place on the earth.> Dhanabalan> > --- On Tue, 2/17/09, msbohra62 <msbohra62@. ..> wrote:> > msbohra62 <msbohra62@. ..>> Re: Exaltation with

reference to star strength> @gro ups.com> Tuesday, February 17, 2009, 12:23 PM> > > > > > > Dear Dhanbalanji,> > See the references of "Uttar Kalamrita" by Kalidas,where well describe> about Exaltation of planets is related to spirituality. Karattava of> planets in particular Nakhshatra exhibit maximum results so it> consider at particular point of degree as exaltation.> > In astrology spiritual and karakttava is very important because every> one have certain reason to take birth and live the life accordingly> his "Karma" in previous birth it is the concept of Indian Astrology> and all "Dharm-Shashtra" ..If we take like this in astrology we will can> assume the right

forth coming events of the Native.> > Thanks,> > M.S.Bohra> > @gro ups.com, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ ...>wrote:> >> > Dear Lutherji> > I have studied in an article that the astrology is based on our> galaxy only.. But there are billions of galaxies in the universe like> our galaxy. The entire universe is effecting us. Universe is> expanding. Our galaxy has self rotation and revolving around a center> point. Exaltation points are to be recalculated and so on.....> > The exaltation point in western astrology differs from vedic.. So I> have the doubt in the degree of exaltation. > > Dhanabalan> > --- On Tue, 2/17/09, Luther Rath <rathluther@ ...> wrote:> > > > Luther Rath <rathluther@ ...>> > Re: Exaltation

with reference to star strength> > @gro ups.com> > Tuesday, February 17, 2009, 11:11 AM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected Sir,> > Thank you for at least a consideration regarding Sun's exaltion in> Aswini. I was studying this issue about a year back. I could justify> for some of the planets except one or two.According to my study the> constellations need to be changed for those planets. I never wanted to> bring controversies, since I am not an authority in astrology nor I> can face many more attackes from the traditionalists.> > Thanking you. With due regards.> > Dr. Rath.> > > > > > > > > > > > Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ >> > kpsystem groups

<@ gro ups.com>> > Tuesday, February 17, 2009 11:43:23 AM> > Exaltation with reference to star strength> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lutherji> > Sun's exaltation is justified with bright stars in the sign. Like> this can you give justification for other planets also.> > Dhanabalan> >>

 

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Respected Luther Rath

The EARTH is always at the center in geo-centric charts. when you see from kataka 3 deg - it looks like that earth is on the makara 3 deg. because earth is in the line of 180 deg from kataka. Similarly from the exaltation points of each planets- So even when two or more planets are in exaltation - the earth is always at the center of the chart.

 

next point - why at certain points - a planet get exalted - It is because of the ecliptical shape (not a circular one) of zodiac -refer Keplar theory- and retardation of planets. At certain times the planets move away from sun and go nearer to sun - when they are nearer to sun they loose some of their power (because of suns's radiation) - when they are away they are more independent - This is one of the reasons why the planets are some times exalted with reference to earth.

 

Another aspect - Every planet exihits its influence on it's 360 degrees- But with reference to earth certain degrees are considered - It is different in different theories - So the 7th aspect for all planets and special aspects in case of Mars,Saturn and Jupiter are considered in Hindu system and angles, trines,sextile etc., are considered in western system and tajaka system etc., etc.,

Comming to the need of exaltation for predictive purpose--

For predictive purpose in astrology positional strenbgth of a planet vis -vis the strength of other planets is essential. Strength of a planet is necessary to know the quantum of benefit and the relative strength of planets- (malefic and benefic nature of a plkanet is different from its strength). This is reconed by way of Shadbala in traditional system. Exaltations are considered in traditional system - beacuse a span of 30 deg of rasi is considered- But in KP system the position of a planet on a particular degree is taken (sub-lord-star lord-sign lord) - So in KP there is no much talk of exaltations. Even if that cuspal point falls on the traditional points of exaldation - we need not switch over to exaltation - while the chart is being studied in Kp system - If anybody does it it amounts to mixing up the systems- by luck he may get good predicitons - but not always it is good to mix the systems.

Strength and relative strength of planets is a vitlal concern in predictive astrology.

I Hope I have covered the doubts raised -

rao chitturu

 

--- On Mon, 2/3/09, Luther Rath <rathluther wrote:

Luther Rath <rathlutherRe: Re: Exaltation with reference to star strength-att:Dr.Rath Date: Monday, 2 March, 2009, 11:05 AM

 

 

 

 

Respected Sir,

I am so grateful for explaining me the way you did. Thank you so much.

I have got nothing to say regarding the points of exaltation and debilitation of differeent planets. From the observation and experience of the Munis and Rishis and other great astrologers the points have been determined.. We cannot disprove them at this level.

The only confusing point was regarding the assumtion that earth is implied to have been at 3 degrees in Makara when Jupiter transits at 3 degrees in Cancer. Supposing on the same day Venus transits at 27 degrees in Pisces, we would say that the Earth is implied to be at 27 degrees in Virgo. Saturn could occupy 20 degrees in Libra and then Earth is aspected to be at 20 degrees in Aries. How could we expect the Earth at three different places? Yes, when we observe from Jupiter or Venus or Saturn it appears to be so. But how does it help us in astrology, or in prediction ? Is there any basis to consider this apparent contradicting location of Earth on the same day? Does it in any way change our predictions? I am not clear on this pint. I shall be ever grateful to have your valuable openion.

Will you please explain why a particular planet is exalted at a particular point or particular constellation, planetwise? Of courese if time permits, Sir.

With due respect.

Dr. Rath

 

 

 

rao chitturu <csr162002 >@gro ups.comThursday, February 26, 2009 9:07:33 PMRe: Re: Exaltation with reference to star strength-att: Dr.Rath

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Shri.Luther Ji

The formula of fotuna may not be suitable for finding the place of earth - I have only expected that - So leave that formula. Howerver, I am glad for your calculations.

Coming to the place of earth on our Rasi charts -which basically geo-centric - earth is at the center - So when Jupiter is seen at cancer - earth is in between cancer and Capricorn if you take 180 degrees line from cancer –

 

Sri Dhanabalanji said that the Earth is at the center of the chart. Because our rasi charts are geo-centric – that means as seen from earth- I aso say the same.

The other type is Heileo-centric –where Sun is at the center – Astronomers use Heileo-centric charts.

Improvements in astronomical theories are doubtless. Development in astronomical theories cannot change the rotation of planets and relationship among them –with reference to earth or sun.

As far as astrological charts are geo-centric apparent place of earth and consequent reception of planets (jupiter in our example)-power at certain points - say exaltation or debilitation cannot change.

 

I think the whole exercise, among us has started with the chance of finding reasons for exaltation / debilitation points- - I think old astrological theories are adequate to understand these points of exaltation.

rao chitturu

 

--- On Thu, 26/2/09, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > wrote:

Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ >Re: Re: Exaltation with reference to star strength-att: Dr.Rath@gro ups.comThursday, 26 February, 2009, 10:03 AM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Luther ji

I have already discussed with many leading astrologers. All said that in rasi chart, the earth is in the centre of rasi chart. If one sees from cancer, the earth appears to be in Makara. If you accept the concept of rasi chart, you have to accept this also.I will give you evidence afterwards.

Dhanabalan--- On Thu, 2/26/09, Luther Rath <rathluther > wrote:

Luther Rath <rathluther >Re: Re: Exaltation with reference to star strength-att: Dr.Rath@gro ups.comThursday, February 26, 2009, 1:31 AM

 

 

 

 

Dear Rao Sir,

Namaskar.

Exaltation points for different planets are already defined and in no case can be denied unless otherwise prooved. I do not intend to say that Jupiter is not exalted at 3 degrees n Cancer. But on this point we cannot say that, 'it implies that our Earth is at Makara 3 degrees'.

On 29th June 2014 when Jupiter shall be at 3 degrees in Cancer, Sun transits at 74 degrees and Moon at 90 degrees (approximately) . Ascendant shall be at 78 degrees at 5-30 AM on that day. So fortuna falls at 94 degrees i.e. Cancer 4 degrees not in Makara.. This also does not suit for finding the location of the Earth.

Therefore I wanted to say an implication cannot be relied upon. Sri Dhanabalanji said that the Earth is at the center of the chart. This again implies that the Earth is at the center of the solar system. This is the theory of 2nd century. Science has changed this concept since 17th century. But astrology has laged back by 3 centuries. We cannot change over-night. It is very dfficult to alter the old science of astrology. But one should be concerned about it, else what the educated mass and the scientists say? We must find out the position of the Earth in the zodiac and the chart, sincerely.

With regards.

Dr. Rath

 

 

 

rao chitturu <csr162002 >@gro ups.comSaturday, February 21, 2009 8:29:14 AMRe: Re: Exaltation with reference to star strength-att: Dr.Rath

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Dr.Rath

Our charts in usage are Geo Centric - (i.e., as seen from earth - this was already mentioned by Mr.Dhanabalam in his mail.)

So earth is not indicated among the planets in the chart-

But the position of fortune (as shown in western charts and KP charts may indicate the place of earth among other planets.

Fotune formula: =(longitudes of Ascendent + Moon ) minus Sun.

We have calculate and seen in example charts with Jupiter in exalted posiion;

I have yet to calculate and verify.

rao chitturu--- On Thu, 19/2/09, Luther Rath <rathluther > wrote:

Luther Rath <rathluther >Re: Re: Exaltation with reference to star strength-att: Dr.Rath@gro ups.comThursday, 19 February, 2009, 7:23 PM

 

 

 

 

Dear Sir,

Evey one of us should have an open mind to honour the opinions of others. Clinching to existing concepts and closing doors for more scientific approach does not help us. The theories of revolution and rotation of earth have undergone remarkable change since about 3 centuries. But still we have stayed back. We have to adjust to changes and recent developments. No? It is becomming difficult to cope up.

Its only my feeling and not intended or pointing to any body. Its general.

With due regards.

Dr. Rath

 

 

 

rao chitturu <csr162002 >@gro ups.comThursday, February 19, 2009 11:17:45 AMRe: Re: Exaltation with reference to star strength-att: Dr.Rath

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dr.Rath sir,

I am happy you got my pont.

My intention is put before the members what information I have on the subject.

As it involves deep calculations of astronomy - I am not competent to certify / nor deny any body's openion/writings/ coments etc. - on the article I quoted- So I have humbly given the source of my information for the benefit of members.

I am happy to note that you have well received the contents-thought on them and also mentioned your openion- Only astronomers can clarify further -

rao chitturu

--- On Wed, 18/2/09, Luther Rath <rathluther > wrote:

Luther Rath <rathluther >Re: Re: Exaltation with reference to star strength@gro ups.comWednesday, 18 February, 2009, 12:00 PM

 

 

 

 

Dear Sirs,

I do not intend to say any thing against that which Rao Sir has referred to, regarding the exaltation.He has given the extract of Sloka 13, Chapter 1 of Brihat Jataka. He in fact quoted from AM of June 1991 explanined by Mr R. Krishna Murthy.

Mr Krushnamurty has explained that when Jupiter transits at 3 degrees in Cancer it is exalted.

Quotation, "From the Earth when we see Jupiter at Kataka 3, it implies that our earth is at Makara 3 as viewed from Jupiter". What I want to say is that the Earth has a definite relation with the Sun around which it revolves. Earth does not have such relationship with Jupiter as both of them are planets in solar system and both revolve around the Sun indipendently. So when Jupiter transits at Kataka 3 it does not necessarily imply that Earth is situated at Makara 3. For instance, on 29th June 2014 Jupiter transits at Kataka 3. But Earth cannot be at Makara 3. It is because on that day Sun is at Gemini 14. The Earth virtually remains at 180 degrees to Sun and therefore it is sure that Earth transits at Sagittarious 14 but not at Makara 13. Hence the explanation by Krushna Murtyji cannot be justified. It is up to the seniors to examine and comment.

With due Regards to all.

Dr. Rath

 

 

 

rao chitturu <csr162002 >@gro ups.comWednesday, February 18, 2009 10:55:30 AMRe: Re: Exaltation with reference to star strength

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

To all Members

Exaltation and debilitation theory was explained by Mr.R.Krishna Murthy in his article "Exaltation and Debilitation of planets" in A.M of June 1991 page 495...with reference to the planets rotation onn its own axis in zodiac and its exposure to the earth...

pl.see attachment for extractrao chitturu

--- On Tue, 17/2/09, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > wrote:

Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ ..com>Re: Re: Exaltation with reference to star strength@gro ups.comTuesday, 17 February, 2009, 7:53 PM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Bohraji

It is clear that the westerners did not copy the vedic exaltation. They developed their own. Being so, how the exaltation differ. Which exaltation is correct. Whether vedic or western?

Dhanabalan--- On Tue, 2/17/09, msbohra62 <msbohra62 (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote:

msbohra62 <msbohra62 (AT) (DOT) co.in> Re: Exaltation with reference to star strength@gro ups.comTuesday, February 17, 2009, 1:28 PM

 

 

Dear Dhanbalanji,Points never be different of exaltation,getting effects because oftime difference will be different as Dasa period will be differentplace to place.Universe activities are at same the time but effects getting on earthwill be different place to place.Thanks,M.S.Bohra@gro ups.com, Dhanabalan R <r..dhanabalan@ ...> wrote:>> Dear Bohraji> Thank for your reference. The exaltation point in vedic and westerndiffers.. I want to find the reason. Whether exaltation point differfrom place to place on the earth.> Dhanabalan> > --- On Tue, 2/17/09, msbohra62 <msbohra62@. ..> wrote:> > msbohra62 <msbohra62@. ..>> Re: Exaltation with reference to star strength> @gro ups.com> Tuesday, February 17, 2009, 12:23 PM> > > > > > > Dear Dhanbalanji,> > See the references of "Uttar Kalamrita" by Kalidas,where well describe> about Exaltation of planets is related to spirituality. Karattava of> planets in particular Nakhshatra exhibit maximum results so it> consider at particular point of degree as exaltation.> > In astrology spiritual and karakttava is very important because every> one have certain reason to take birth and live the life accordingly> his "Karma" in previous birth it is the concept of Indian Astrology> and all "Dharm-Shashtra" ..If we take like this in astrology we will can> assume the right forth coming events of the Native.> > Thanks,> >

M.S.Bohra> > @gro ups.com, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ ...>wrote:> >> > Dear Lutherji> > I have studied in an article that the astrology is based on our> galaxy only.. But there are billions of galaxies in the universe like> our galaxy. The entire universe is effecting us. Universe is> expanding. Our galaxy has self rotation and revolving around a center> point. Exaltation points are to be recalculated and so on......> > The exaltation point in western astrology differs from vedic.. So I> have the doubt in the degree of exaltation. > > Dhanabalan> > --- On Tue, 2/17/09, Luther Rath <rathluther@ ...> wrote:> > > > Luther Rath <rathluther@ ...>> > Re: Exaltation with reference to star strength> > @gro

ups.com> > Tuesday, February 17, 2009, 11:11 AM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected Sir,> > Thank you for at least a consideration regarding Sun's exaltion in> Aswini. I was studying this issue about a year back. I could justify> for some of the planets except one or two.According to my study the> constellations need to be changed for those planets. I never wanted to> bring controversies, since I am not an authority in astrology nor I> can face many more attackes from the traditionalists.> > Thanking you. With due regards.> > Dr. Rath.> > > > > > > > > > > > Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ >> > kpsystem groups <@ gro ups.com>> > Tuesday, February 17,

2009 11:43:23 AM> > Exaltation with reference to star strength> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lutherji> > Sun's exaltation is justified with bright stars in the sign. Like> this can you give justification for other planets also.> > Dhanabalan> >>

 

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Dear Luther ji

He scanned and e-mailed only the first page of that chapter. If he scanned and e-mailed the other pages, it would be beneficial for us.

Earth is at center of rasi chart. Now let us see what is retrogration.

Retrogration occurs when sun is 6,7,8 sign away from outer planets Jupiter, Saturn and Mars. Let us take Jupiter. When Jupiter is 180 degrees from Sun(earth is in betwen Sun and Jupiter), earth is closer to Jupiter. The motion of Jupiter appears to be faster than the normal. So retrogration. If Jupiter is conjoined with Sun(earth and Jupiter are either side of Sun), earth is away from Jupiter. The motion of Jupiter appears slow while seeing from earth.

Dhanabalan--- On Mon, 3/2/09, Luther Rath <rathluther wrote:

Luther Rath <rathlutherRe: Re: Exaltation with reference to star strength-att:Dr.Rath Date: Monday, March 2, 2009, 5:35 AM

 

 

 

 

Respected Sir,

I am so grateful for explaining me the way you did. Thank you so much.

I have got nothing to say regarding the points of exaltation and debilitation of differeent planets. From the observation and experience of the Munis and Rishis and other great astrologers the points have been determined.. We cannot disprove them at this level.

The only confusing point was regarding the assumtion that earth is implied to have been at 3 degrees in Makara when Jupiter transits at 3 degrees in Cancer. Supposing on the same day Venus transits at 27 degrees in Pisces, we would say that the Earth is implied to be at 27 degrees in Virgo. Saturn could occupy 20 degrees in Libra and then Earth is aspected to be at 20 degrees in Aries. How could we expect the Earth at three different places? Yes, when we observe from Jupiter or Venus or Saturn it appears to be so. But how does it help us in astrology, or in prediction ? Is there any basis to consider this apparent contradicting location of Earth on the same day? Does it in any way change our predictions? I am not clear on this pint. I shall be ever grateful to have your valuable openion.

Will you please explain why a particular planet is exalted at a particular point or particular constellation, planetwise? Of courese if time permits, Sir.

With due respect.

Dr. Rath

 

 

 

rao chitturu <csr162002 >@gro ups.comThursday, February 26, 2009 9:07:33 PMRe: Re: Exaltation with reference to star strength-att: Dr.Rath

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Shri.Luther Ji

The formula of fotuna may not be suitable for finding the place of earth - I have only expected that - So leave that formula. Howerver, I am glad for your calculations.

Coming to the place of earth on our Rasi charts -which basically geo-centric - earth is at the center - So when Jupiter is seen at cancer - earth is in between cancer and Capricorn if you take 180 degrees line from cancer –

 

Sri Dhanabalanji said that the Earth is at the center of the chart. Because our rasi charts are geo-centric – that means as seen from earth- I aso say the same.

The other type is Heileo-centric –where Sun is at the center – Astronomers use Heileo-centric charts.

Improvements in astronomical theories are doubtless. Development in astronomical theories cannot change the rotation of planets and relationship among them –with reference to earth or sun.

As far as astrological charts are geo-centric apparent place of earth and consequent reception of planets (jupiter in our example)-power at certain points - say exaltation or debilitation cannot change.

 

I think the whole exercise, among us has started with the chance of finding reasons for exaltation / debilitation points- - I think old astrological theories are adequate to understand these points of exaltation.

rao chitturu

 

--- On Thu, 26/2/09, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > wrote:

Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ >Re: Re: Exaltation with reference to star strength-att: Dr.Rath@gro ups.comThursday, 26 February, 2009, 10:03 AM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Luther ji

I have already discussed with many leading astrologers. All said that in rasi chart, the earth is in the centre of rasi chart. If one sees from cancer, the earth appears to be in Makara. If you accept the concept of rasi chart, you have to accept this also.I will give you evidence afterwards.

Dhanabalan--- On Thu, 2/26/09, Luther Rath <rathluther > wrote:

Luther Rath <rathluther >Re: Re: Exaltation with reference to star strength-att: Dr.Rath@gro ups.comThursday, February 26, 2009, 1:31 AM

 

 

 

 

Dear Rao Sir,

Namaskar.

Exaltation points for different planets are already defined and in no case can be denied unless otherwise prooved. I do not intend to say that Jupiter is not exalted at 3 degrees n Cancer. But on this point we cannot say that, 'it implies that our Earth is at Makara 3 degrees'.

On 29th June 2014 when Jupiter shall be at 3 degrees in Cancer, Sun transits at 74 degrees and Moon at 90 degrees (approximately) . Ascendant shall be at 78 degrees at 5-30 AM on that day. So fortuna falls at 94 degrees i.e. Cancer 4 degrees not in Makara.. This also does not suit for finding the location of the Earth.

Therefore I wanted to say an implication cannot be relied upon. Sri Dhanabalanji said that the Earth is at the center of the chart. This again implies that the Earth is at the center of the solar system. This is the theory of 2nd century. Science has changed this concept since 17th century. But astrology has laged back by 3 centuries. We cannot change over-night. It is very dfficult to alter the old science of astrology. But one should be concerned about it, else what the educated mass and the scientists say? We must find out the position of the Earth in the zodiac and the chart, sincerely.

With regards.

Dr. Rath

 

 

 

rao chitturu <csr162002 >@gro ups.comSaturday, February 21, 2009 8:29:14 AMRe: Re: Exaltation with reference to star strength-att: Dr.Rath

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Dr.Rath

Our charts in usage are Geo Centric - (i.e., as seen from earth - this was already mentioned by Mr.Dhanabalam in his mail.)

So earth is not indicated among the planets in the chart-

But the position of fortune (as shown in western charts and KP charts may indicate the place of earth among other planets.

Fotune formula: =(longitudes of Ascendent + Moon ) minus Sun.

We have calculate and seen in example charts with Jupiter in exalted posiion;

I have yet to calculate and verify.

rao chitturu--- On Thu, 19/2/09, Luther Rath <rathluther > wrote:

Luther Rath <rathluther >Re: Re: Exaltation with reference to star strength-att: Dr.Rath@gro ups.comThursday, 19 February, 2009, 7:23 PM

 

 

 

 

Dear Sir,

Evey one of us should have an open mind to honour the opinions of others. Clinching to existing concepts and closing doors for more scientific approach does not help us. The theories of revolution and rotation of earth have undergone remarkable change since about 3 centuries. But still we have stayed back. We have to adjust to changes and recent developments. No? It is becomming difficult to cope up.

Its only my feeling and not intended or pointing to any body. Its general.

With due regards.

Dr. Rath

 

 

 

rao chitturu <csr162002 >@gro ups.comThursday, February 19, 2009 11:17:45 AMRe: Re: Exaltation with reference to star strength-att: Dr.Rath

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dr.Rath sir,

I am happy you got my pont.

My intention is put before the members what information I have on the subject.

As it involves deep calculations of astronomy - I am not competent to certify / nor deny any body's openion/writings/ coments etc. - on the article I quoted- So I have humbly given the source of my information for the benefit of members.

I am happy to note that you have well received the contents-thought on them and also mentioned your openion- Only astronomers can clarify further -

rao chitturu

--- On Wed, 18/2/09, Luther Rath <rathluther > wrote:

Luther Rath <rathluther >Re: Re: Exaltation with reference to star strength@gro ups.comWednesday, 18 February, 2009, 12:00 PM

 

 

 

 

Dear Sirs,

I do not intend to say any thing against that which Rao Sir has referred to, regarding the exaltation.He has given the extract of Sloka 13, Chapter 1 of Brihat Jataka. He in fact quoted from AM of June 1991 explanined by Mr R. Krishna Murthy.

Mr Krushnamurty has explained that when Jupiter transits at 3 degrees in Cancer it is exalted.

Quotation, "From the Earth when we see Jupiter at Kataka 3, it implies that our earth is at Makara 3 as viewed from Jupiter". What I want to say is that the Earth has a definite relation with the Sun around which it revolves. Earth does not have such relationship with Jupiter as both of them are planets in solar system and both revolve around the Sun indipendently. So when Jupiter transits at Kataka 3 it does not necessarily imply that Earth is situated at Makara 3. For instance, on 29th June 2014 Jupiter transits at Kataka 3. But Earth cannot be at Makara 3. It is because on that day Sun is at Gemini 14. The Earth virtually remains at 180 degrees to Sun and therefore it is sure that Earth transits at Sagittarious 14 but not at Makara 13. Hence the explanation by Krushna Murtyji cannot be justified. It is up to the seniors to examine and comment.

With due Regards to all.

Dr. Rath

 

 

 

rao chitturu <csr162002 >@gro ups.comWednesday, February 18, 2009 10:55:30 AMRe: Re: Exaltation with reference to star strength

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

To all Members

Exaltation and debilitation theory was explained by Mr.R.Krishna Murthy in his article "Exaltation and Debilitation of planets" in A.M of June 1991 page 495...with reference to the planets rotation onn its own axis in zodiac and its exposure to the earth...

pl.see attachment for extractrao chitturu

--- On Tue, 17/2/09, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > wrote:

Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ ..com>Re: Re: Exaltation with reference to star strength@gro ups.comTuesday, 17 February, 2009, 7:53 PM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Bohraji

It is clear that the westerners did not copy the vedic exaltation. They developed their own. Being so, how the exaltation differ. Which exaltation is correct. Whether vedic or western?

Dhanabalan--- On Tue, 2/17/09, msbohra62 <msbohra62 (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote:

msbohra62 <msbohra62 (AT) (DOT) co.in> Re: Exaltation with reference to star strength@gro ups.comTuesday, February 17, 2009, 1:28 PM

 

 

Dear Dhanbalanji,Points never be different of exaltation,getting effects because oftime difference will be different as Dasa period will be differentplace to place.Universe activities are at same the time but effects getting on earthwill be different place to place.Thanks,M.S.Bohra@gro ups.com, Dhanabalan R <r..dhanabalan@ ...> wrote:>> Dear Bohraji> Thank for your reference. The exaltation point in vedic and westerndiffers.. I want to find the reason. Whether exaltation point differfrom place to place on the earth.> Dhanabalan> > --- On Tue, 2/17/09, msbohra62 <msbohra62@. ..> wrote:> > msbohra62 <msbohra62@. ..>> Re: Exaltation with reference to star strength> @gro ups.com> Tuesday, February 17, 2009, 12:23 PM> > > > > > > Dear Dhanbalanji,> > See the references of "Uttar Kalamrita" by Kalidas,where well describe> about Exaltation of planets is related to spirituality. Karattava of> planets in particular Nakhshatra exhibit maximum results so it> consider at particular point of degree as exaltation.> > In astrology spiritual and karakttava is very important because every> one have certain reason to take birth and live the life accordingly> his "Karma" in previous birth it is the concept of Indian Astrology> and all "Dharm-Shashtra" ..If we take like this in astrology we will can> assume the right forth coming events of the Native.> > Thanks,> >

M.S.Bohra> > @gro ups.com, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ ...>wrote:> >> > Dear Lutherji> > I have studied in an article that the astrology is based on our> galaxy only.. But there are billions of galaxies in the universe like> our galaxy. The entire universe is effecting us. Universe is> expanding. Our galaxy has self rotation and revolving around a center> point. Exaltation points are to be recalculated and so on......> > The exaltation point in western astrology differs from vedic.. So I> have the doubt in the degree of exaltation. > > Dhanabalan> > --- On Tue, 2/17/09, Luther Rath <rathluther@ ...> wrote:> > > > Luther Rath <rathluther@ ...>> > Re: Exaltation with reference to star strength> > @gro

ups.com> > Tuesday, February 17, 2009, 11:11 AM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected Sir,> > Thank you for at least a consideration regarding Sun's exaltion in> Aswini. I was studying this issue about a year back. I could justify> for some of the planets except one or two.According to my study the> constellations need to be changed for those planets. I never wanted to> bring controversies, since I am not an authority in astrology nor I> can face many more attackes from the traditionalists.> > Thanking you. With due regards.> > Dr. Rath.> > > > > > > > > > > > Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ >> > kpsystem groups <@ gro ups.com>> > Tuesday, February 17,

2009 11:43:23 AM> > Exaltation with reference to star strength> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lutherji> > Sun's exaltation is justified with bright stars in the sign. Like> this can you give justification for other planets also.> > Dhanabalan> >>

 

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Dear Dhanabalam,

P.give me few days time- I will can the entire article and send- because you are interested.

Only time factor.

rao chitturu--- On Mon, 2/3/09, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan wrote:

Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalanRe: Re: Exaltation with reference to star strength-att:Dr.Rath Date: Monday, 2 March, 2009, 3:33 PM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Luther ji

He scanned and e-mailed only the first page of that chapter. If he scanned and e-mailed the other pages, it would be beneficial for us.

Earth is at center of rasi chart. Now let us see what is retrogration.

Retrogration occurs when sun is 6,7,8 sign away from outer planets Jupiter, Saturn and Mars. Let us take Jupiter. When Jupiter is 180 degrees from Sun(earth is in betwen Sun and Jupiter), earth is closer to Jupiter. The motion of Jupiter appears to be faster than the normal. So retrogration. If Jupiter is conjoined with Sun(earth and Jupiter are either side of Sun), earth is away from Jupiter. The motion of Jupiter appears slow while seeing from earth.

Dhanabalan--- On Mon, 3/2/09, Luther Rath <rathluther > wrote:

Luther Rath <rathluther >Re: Re: Exaltation with reference to star strength-att: Dr.Rath@gro ups.comMonday, March 2, 2009, 5:35 AM

 

 

 

 

Respected Sir,

I am so grateful for explaining me the way you did. Thank you so much.

I have got nothing to say regarding the points of exaltation and debilitation of differeent planets. From the observation and experience of the Munis and Rishis and other great astrologers the points have been determined... We cannot disprove them at this level.

The only confusing point was regarding the assumtion that earth is implied to have been at 3 degrees in Makara when Jupiter transits at 3 degrees in Cancer. Supposing on the same day Venus transits at 27 degrees in Pisces, we would say that the Earth is implied to be at 27 degrees in Virgo. Saturn could occupy 20 degrees in Libra and then Earth is aspected to be at 20 degrees in Aries. How could we expect the Earth at three different places? Yes, when we observe from Jupiter or Venus or Saturn it appears to be so. But how does it help us in astrology, or in prediction ? Is there any basis to consider this apparent contradicting location of Earth on the same day? Does it in any way change our predictions? I am not clear on this pint. I shall be ever grateful to have your valuable openion.

Will you please explain why a particular planet is exalted at a particular point or particular constellation, planetwise? Of courese if time permits, Sir.

With due respect.

Dr. Rath

 

 

 

rao chitturu <csr162002 >@gro ups.comThursday, February 26, 2009 9:07:33 PMRe: Re: Exaltation with reference to star strength-att: Dr.Rath

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Shri.Luther Ji

The formula of fotuna may not be suitable for finding the place of earth - I have only expected that - So leave that formula. Howerver, I am glad for your calculations.

Coming to the place of earth on our Rasi charts -which basically geo-centric - earth is at the center - So when Jupiter is seen at cancer - earth is in between cancer and Capricorn if you take 180 degrees line from cancer –

 

Sri Dhanabalanji said that the Earth is at the center of the chart. Because our rasi charts are geo-centric – that means as seen from earth- I aso say the same.

 

 

The other type is Heileo-centric –where Sun is at the center – Astronomers use Heileo-centric charts.

Improvements in astronomical theories are doubtless. Development in astronomical theories cannot change the rotation of planets and relationship among them –with reference to earth or sun.

As far as astrological charts are geo-centric apparent place of earth and consequent reception of planets (jupiter in our example)-power at certain points - say exaltation or debilitation cannot change.

 

I think the whole exercise, among us has started with the chance of finding reasons for exaltation / debilitation points- - I think old astrological theories are adequate to understand these points of exaltation.

rao chitturu

 

--- On Thu, 26/2/09, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > wrote:

Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ >Re: Re: Exaltation with reference to star strength-att: Dr.Rath@gro ups.comThursday, 26 February, 2009, 10:03 AM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Luther ji

I have already discussed with many leading astrologers. All said that in rasi chart, the earth is in the centre of rasi chart. If one sees from cancer, the earth appears to be in Makara. If you accept the concept of rasi chart, you have to accept this also.I will give you evidence afterwards.

Dhanabalan--- On Thu, 2/26/09, Luther Rath <rathluther > wrote:

Luther Rath <rathluther >Re: Re: Exaltation with reference to star strength-att: Dr.Rath@gro ups.comThursday, February 26, 2009, 1:31 AM

 

 

 

 

Dear Rao Sir,

Namaskar.

Exaltation points for different planets are already defined and in no case can be denied unless otherwise prooved. I do not intend to say that Jupiter is not exalted at 3 degrees n Cancer. But on this point we cannot say that, 'it implies that our Earth is at Makara 3 degrees'.

On 29th June 2014 when Jupiter shall be at 3 degrees in Cancer, Sun transits at 74 degrees and Moon at 90 degrees (approximately) . Ascendant shall be at 78 degrees at 5-30 AM on that day. So fortuna falls at 94 degrees i.e. Cancer 4 degrees not in Makara.. This also does not suit for finding the location of the Earth.

Therefore I wanted to say an implication cannot be relied upon. Sri Dhanabalanji said that the Earth is at the center of the chart. This again implies that the Earth is at the center of the solar system. This is the theory of 2nd century. Science has changed this concept since 17th century. But astrology has laged back by 3 centuries. We cannot change over-night. It is very dfficult to alter the old science of astrology. But one should be concerned about it, else what the educated mass and the scientists say? We must find out the position of the Earth in the zodiac and the chart, sincerely.

With regards.

Dr. Rath

 

 

 

rao chitturu <csr162002 >@gro ups.comSaturday, February 21, 2009 8:29:14 AMRe: Re: Exaltation with reference to star strength-att: Dr.Rath

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Dr.Rath

Our charts in usage are Geo Centric - (i.e., as seen from earth - this was already mentioned by Mr.Dhanabalam in his mail.)

So earth is not indicated among the planets in the chart-

But the position of fortune (as shown in western charts and KP charts may indicate the place of earth among other planets.

Fotune formula: =(longitudes of Ascendent + Moon ) minus Sun.

We have calculate and seen in example charts with Jupiter in exalted posiion;

I have yet to calculate and verify.

rao chitturu--- On Thu, 19/2/09, Luther Rath <rathluther > wrote:

Luther Rath <rathluther >Re: Re: Exaltation with reference to star strength-att: Dr.Rath@gro ups.comThursday, 19 February, 2009, 7:23 PM

 

 

 

 

Dear Sir,

Evey one of us should have an open mind to honour the opinions of others. Clinching to existing concepts and closing doors for more scientific approach does not help us. The theories of revolution and rotation of earth have undergone remarkable change since about 3 centuries. But still we have stayed back. We have to adjust to changes and recent developments. No? It is becomming difficult to cope up.

Its only my feeling and not intended or pointing to any body. Its general.

With due regards.

Dr. Rath

 

 

 

rao chitturu <csr162002 >@gro ups.comThursday, February 19, 2009 11:17:45 AMRe: Re: Exaltation with reference to star strength-att: Dr.Rath

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dr.Rath sir,

I am happy you got my pont.

My intention is put before the members what information I have on the subject.

As it involves deep calculations of astronomy - I am not competent to certify / nor deny any body's openion/writings/ coments etc. - on the article I quoted- So I have humbly given the source of my information for the benefit of members.

I am happy to note that you have well received the contents-thought on them and also mentioned your openion- Only astronomers can clarify further -

rao chitturu

--- On Wed, 18/2/09, Luther Rath <rathluther > wrote:

Luther Rath <rathluther >Re: Re: Exaltation with reference to star strength@gro ups.comWednesday, 18 February, 2009, 12:00 PM

 

 

 

 

Dear Sirs,

I do not intend to say any thing against that which Rao Sir has referred to, regarding the exaltation.He has given the extract of Sloka 13, Chapter 1 of Brihat Jataka. He in fact quoted from AM of June 1991 explanined by Mr R. Krishna Murthy.

Mr Krushnamurty has explained that when Jupiter transits at 3 degrees in Cancer it is exalted.

Quotation, "From the Earth when we see Jupiter at Kataka 3, it implies that our earth is at Makara 3 as viewed from Jupiter". What I want to say is that the Earth has a definite relation with the Sun around which it revolves. Earth does not have such relationship with Jupiter as both of them are planets in solar system and both revolve around the Sun indipendently. So when Jupiter transits at Kataka 3 it does not necessarily imply that Earth is situated at Makara 3. For instance, on 29th June 2014 Jupiter transits at Kataka 3. But Earth cannot be at Makara 3. It is because on that day Sun is at Gemini 14. The Earth virtually remains at 180 degrees to Sun and therefore it is sure that Earth transits at Sagittarious 14 but not at Makara 13. Hence the explanation by Krushna Murtyji cannot be justified. It is up to the seniors to examine and comment.

With due Regards to all.

Dr. Rath

 

 

 

rao chitturu <csr162002 >@gro ups.comWednesday, February 18, 2009 10:55:30 AMRe: Re: Exaltation with reference to star strength

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

To all Members

Exaltation and debilitation theory was explained by Mr.R.Krishna Murthy in his article "Exaltation and Debilitation of planets" in A.M of June 1991 page 495...with reference to the planets rotation onn its own axis in zodiac and its exposure to the earth...

pl.see attachment for extractrao chitturu

--- On Tue, 17/2/09, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > wrote:

Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ ..com>Re: Re: Exaltation with reference to star strength@gro ups.comTuesday, 17 February, 2009, 7:53 PM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Bohraji

It is clear that the westerners did not copy the vedic exaltation. They developed their own. Being so, how the exaltation differ. Which exaltation is correct. Whether vedic or western?

Dhanabalan--- On Tue, 2/17/09, msbohra62 <msbohra62 (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote:

msbohra62 <msbohra62 (AT) (DOT) co.in> Re: Exaltation with reference to star strength@gro ups.comTuesday, February 17, 2009, 1:28 PM

 

 

Dear Dhanbalanji,Points never be different of exaltation,getting effects because oftime difference will be different as Dasa period will be differentplace to place.Universe activities are at same the time but effects getting on earthwill be different place to place.Thanks,M.S.Bohra@gro ups.com, Dhanabalan R <r..dhanabalan@ ...> wrote:>> Dear Bohraji> Thank for your reference. The exaltation point in vedic and westerndiffers.. I want to find the reason. Whether exaltation point differfrom place to place on the earth.> Dhanabalan> > --- On Tue, 2/17/09, msbohra62 <msbohra62@. ..> wrote:> > msbohra62 <msbohra62@. ..>> Re: Exaltation with reference to star strength> @gro ups.com> Tuesday, February 17, 2009, 12:23 PM> > > > > > > Dear Dhanbalanji,> > See the references of "Uttar Kalamrita" by Kalidas,where well describe> about Exaltation of planets is related to spirituality. Karattava of> planets in particular Nakhshatra exhibit maximum results so it> consider at particular point of degree as exaltation.> > In astrology spiritual and karakttava is very important because every> one have certain reason to take birth and live the life accordingly> his "Karma" in previous birth it is the concept of Indian Astrology> and all "Dharm-Shashtra" ..If we take like this in astrology we will can> assume the right forth coming events of the Native.> > Thanks,> >

M.S.Bohra> > @gro ups.com, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ ...>wrote:> >> > Dear Lutherji> > I have studied in an article that the astrology is based on our> galaxy only.. But there are billions of galaxies in the universe like> our galaxy. The entire universe is effecting us. Universe is> expanding. Our galaxy has self rotation and revolving around a center> point. Exaltation points are to be recalculated and so on.......> > The exaltation point in western astrology differs from vedic.. So I> have the doubt in the degree of exaltation. > > Dhanabalan> > --- On Tue, 2/17/09, Luther Rath <rathluther@ ...> wrote:> > > > Luther Rath <rathluther@ ...>> > Re: Exaltation with reference to star strength> > @gro

ups.com> > Tuesday, February 17, 2009, 11:11 AM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected Sir,> > Thank you for at least a consideration regarding Sun's exaltion in> Aswini. I was studying this issue about a year back. I could justify> for some of the planets except one or two.According to my study the> constellations need to be changed for those planets. I never wanted to> bring controversies, since I am not an authority in astrology nor I> can face many more attackes from the traditionalists.> > Thanking you. With due regards.> > Dr. Rath.> > > > > > > > > > > > Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ >> > kpsystem groups <@ gro ups.com>> > Tuesday, February 17,

2009 11:43:23 AM> > Exaltation with reference to star strength> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lutherji> > Sun's exaltation is justified with bright stars in the sign. Like> this can you give justification for other planets also.> > Dhanabalan> >>

 

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Respected Dhanabalanji,

Namaskar.

It is true that when Jupiter is at180 degrees from the Sun, the Earth is in between the Sun and the Jupiter and Jupiter is nearest to Earth. But Jupiter is slower than the Earth not fast. Had it been faster it would go ahead of Earth, it would not retrograde. If 2 cars run parellel to each other the slower one appears to lag behind (retrograde).Jupiter is slower by about 8 seconds on 10th July 2008 when Sun is in Gemini and Jupiter in Sagittarius.

 

 

 

Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan Sent: Monday, March 2, 2009 3:33:38 PMRe: Re: Exaltation with reference to star strength-att:Dr.Rath

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Luther ji

He scanned and e-mailed only the first page of that chapter. If he scanned and e-mailed the other pages, it would be beneficial for us.

Earth is at center of rasi chart. Now let us see what is retrogration.

Retrogration occurs when sun is 6,7,8 sign away from outer planets Jupiter, Saturn and Mars. Let us take Jupiter. When Jupiter is 180 degrees from Sun(earth is in betwen Sun and Jupiter), earth is closer to Jupiter. The motion of Jupiter appears to be faster than the normal. So retrogration. If Jupiter is conjoined with Sun(earth and Jupiter are either side of Sun), earth is away from Jupiter. The motion of Jupiter appears slow while seeing from earth.

Dhanabalan--- On Mon, 3/2/09, Luther Rath <rathluther > wrote:

Luther Rath <rathluther >Re: Re: Exaltation with reference to star strength-att: Dr.Rath@gro ups.comMonday, March 2, 2009, 5:35 AM

 

 

 

 

Respected Sir,

I am so grateful for explaining me the way you did. Thank you so much.

I have got nothing to say regarding the points of exaltation and debilitation of differeent planets. From the observation and experience of the Munis and Rishis and other great astrologers the points have been determined.. We cannot disprove them at this level.

The only confusing point was regarding the assumtion that earth is implied to have been at 3 degrees in Makara when Jupiter transits at 3 degrees in Cancer. Supposing on the same day Venus transits at 27 degrees in Pisces, we would say that the Earth is implied to be at 27 degrees in Virgo. Saturn could occupy 20 degrees in Libra and then Earth is aspected to be at 20 degrees in Aries. How could we expect the Earth at three different places? Yes, when we observe from Jupiter or Venus or Saturn it appears to be so. But how does it help us in astrology, or in prediction ? Is there any basis to consider this apparent contradicting location of Earth on the same day? Does it in any way change our predictions? I am not clear on this pint. I shall be ever grateful to have your valuable openion.

Will you please explain why a particular planet is exalted at a particular point or particular constellation, planetwise? Of courese if time permits, Sir.

With due respect.

Dr. Rath

 

 

 

rao chitturu <csr162002 >@gro ups.comThursday, February 26, 2009 9:07:33 PMRe: Re: Exaltation with reference to star strength-att: Dr.Rath

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Shri.Luther Ji

The formula of fotuna may not be suitable for finding the place of earth - I have only expected that - So leave that formula. Howerver, I am glad for your calculations.

Coming to the place of earth on our Rasi charts -which basically geo-centric - earth is at the center - So when Jupiter is seen at cancer - earth is in between cancer and Capricorn if you take 180 degrees line from cancer –

 

Sri Dhanabalanji said that the Earth is at the center of the chart. Because our rasi charts are geo-centric – that means as seen from earth- I aso say the same..

 

 

The other type is Heileo-centric –where Sun is at the center – Astronomers use Heileo-centric charts.

Improvements in astronomical theories are doubtless. Development in astronomical theories cannot change the rotation of planets and relationship among them –with reference to earth or sun.

As far as astrological charts are geo-centric apparent place of earth and consequent reception of planets (jupiter in our example)-power at certain points - say exaltation or debilitation cannot change.

 

I think the whole exercise, among us has started with the chance of finding reasons for exaltation / debilitation points- - I think old astrological theories are adequate to understand these points of exaltation.

rao chitturu

 

--- On Thu, 26/2/09, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > wrote:

Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ >Re: Re: Exaltation with reference to star strength-att: Dr.Rath@gro ups.comThursday, 26 February, 2009, 10:03 AM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Luther ji

I have already discussed with many leading astrologers. All said that in rasi chart, the earth is in the centre of rasi chart. If one sees from cancer, the earth appears to be in Makara. If you accept the concept of rasi chart, you have to accept this also.I will give you evidence afterwards..

Dhanabalan--- On Thu, 2/26/09, Luther Rath <rathluther > wrote:

Luther Rath <rathluther >Re: Re: Exaltation with reference to star strength-att: Dr.Rath@gro ups.comThursday, February 26, 2009, 1:31 AM

 

 

 

 

Dear Rao Sir,

Namaskar.

Exaltation points for different planets are already defined and in no case can be denied unless otherwise prooved. I do not intend to say that Jupiter is not exalted at 3 degrees n Cancer. But on this point we cannot say that, 'it implies that our Earth is at Makara 3 degrees'.

On 29th June 2014 when Jupiter shall be at 3 degrees in Cancer, Sun transits at 74 degrees and Moon at 90 degrees (approximately) . Ascendant shall be at 78 degrees at 5-30 AM on that day. So fortuna falls at 94 degrees i.e. Cancer 4 degrees not in Makara.. This also does not suit for finding the location of the Earth.

Therefore I wanted to say an implication cannot be relied upon. Sri Dhanabalanji said that the Earth is at the center of the chart. This again implies that the Earth is at the center of the solar system. This is the theory of 2nd century. Science has changed this concept since 17th century. But astrology has laged back by 3 centuries. We cannot change over-night. It is very dfficult to alter the old science of astrology. But one should be concerned about it, else what the educated mass and the scientists say? We must find out the position of the Earth in the zodiac and the chart, sincerely.

With regards.

Dr. Rath

 

 

 

rao chitturu <csr162002 >@gro ups.comSaturday, February 21, 2009 8:29:14 AMRe: Re: Exaltation with reference to star strength-att: Dr.Rath

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Dr.Rath

Our charts in usage are Geo Centric - (i.e., as seen from earth - this was already mentioned by Mr.Dhanabalam in his mail.)

So earth is not indicated among the planets in the chart-

But the position of fortune (as shown in western charts and KP charts may indicate the place of earth among other planets.

Fotune formula: =(longitudes of Ascendent + Moon ) minus Sun.

We have calculate and seen in example charts with Jupiter in exalted posiion;

I have yet to calculate and verify.

rao chitturu--- On Thu, 19/2/09, Luther Rath <rathluther > wrote:

Luther Rath <rathluther >Re: Re: Exaltation with reference to star strength-att: Dr.Rath@gro ups.comThursday, 19 February, 2009, 7:23 PM

 

 

 

 

Dear Sir,

Evey one of us should have an open mind to honour the opinions of others. Clinching to existing concepts and closing doors for more scientific approach does not help us. The theories of revolution and rotation of earth have undergone remarkable change since about 3 centuries. But still we have stayed back. We have to adjust to changes and recent developments. No? It is becomming difficult to cope up.

Its only my feeling and not intended or pointing to any body. Its general.

With due regards.

Dr. Rath

 

 

 

rao chitturu <csr162002 >@gro ups.comThursday, February 19, 2009 11:17:45 AMRe: Re: Exaltation with reference to star strength-att: Dr.Rath

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dr.Rath sir,

I am happy you got my pont.

My intention is put before the members what information I have on the subject.

As it involves deep calculations of astronomy - I am not competent to certify / nor deny any body's openion/writings/ coments etc. - on the article I quoted- So I have humbly given the source of my information for the benefit of members.

I am happy to note that you have well received the contents-thought on them and also mentioned your openion- Only astronomers can clarify further -

rao chitturu

--- On Wed, 18/2/09, Luther Rath <rathluther > wrote:

Luther Rath <rathluther >Re: Re: Exaltation with reference to star strength@gro ups.comWednesday, 18 February, 2009, 12:00 PM

 

 

 

 

Dear Sirs,

I do not intend to say any thing against that which Rao Sir has referred to, regarding the exaltation.He has given the extract of Sloka 13, Chapter 1 of Brihat Jataka. He in fact quoted from AM of June 1991 explanined by Mr R. Krishna Murthy.

Mr Krushnamurty has explained that when Jupiter transits at 3 degrees in Cancer it is exalted.

Quotation, "From the Earth when we see Jupiter at Kataka 3, it implies that our earth is at Makara 3 as viewed from Jupiter". What I want to say is that the Earth has a definite relation with the Sun around which it revolves. Earth does not have such relationship with Jupiter as both of them are planets in solar system and both revolve around the Sun indipendently. So when Jupiter transits at Kataka 3 it does not necessarily imply that Earth is situated at Makara 3. For instance, on 29th June 2014 Jupiter transits at Kataka 3. But Earth cannot be at Makara 3. It is because on that day Sun is at Gemini 14. The Earth virtually remains at 180 degrees to Sun and therefore it is sure that Earth transits at Sagittarious 14 but not at Makara 13. Hence the explanation by Krushna Murtyji cannot be justified. It is up to the seniors to examine and comment.

With due Regards to all.

Dr. Rath

 

 

 

rao chitturu <csr162002 >@gro ups.comWednesday, February 18, 2009 10:55:30 AMRe: Re: Exaltation with reference to star strength

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

To all Members

Exaltation and debilitation theory was explained by Mr.R.Krishna Murthy in his article "Exaltation and Debilitation of planets" in A.M of June 1991 page 495...with reference to the planets rotation onn its own axis in zodiac and its exposure to the earth...

pl.see attachment for extractrao chitturu

--- On Tue, 17/2/09, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > wrote:

Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ ..com>Re: Re: Exaltation with reference to star strength@gro ups.comTuesday, 17 February, 2009, 7:53 PM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Bohraji

It is clear that the westerners did not copy the vedic exaltation. They developed their own. Being so, how the exaltation differ. Which exaltation is correct. Whether vedic or western?

Dhanabalan--- On Tue, 2/17/09, msbohra62 <msbohra62 (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote:

msbohra62 <msbohra62 (AT) (DOT) co.in> Re: Exaltation with reference to star strength@gro ups.comTuesday, February 17, 2009, 1:28 PM

 

 

Dear Dhanbalanji,Points never be different of exaltation,getting effects because oftime difference will be different as Dasa period will be differentplace to place.Universe activities are at same the time but effects getting on earthwill be different place to place.Thanks,M.S.Bohra@gro ups.com, Dhanabalan R <r..dhanabalan@ ...> wrote:>> Dear Bohraji> Thank for your reference. The exaltation point in vedic and westerndiffers.. I want to find the reason. Whether exaltation point differfrom place to place on the earth.> Dhanabalan> > --- On Tue, 2/17/09, msbohra62 <msbohra62@. ..> wrote:> > msbohra62 <msbohra62@. ..>> Re: Exaltation with

reference to star strength> @gro ups.com> Tuesday, February 17, 2009, 12:23 PM> > > > > > > Dear Dhanbalanji,> > See the references of "Uttar Kalamrita" by Kalidas,where well describe> about Exaltation of planets is related to spirituality. Karattava of> planets in particular Nakhshatra exhibit maximum results so it> consider at particular point of degree as exaltation.> > In astrology spiritual and karakttava is very important because every> one have certain reason to take birth and live the life accordingly> his "Karma" in previous birth it is the concept of Indian Astrology> and all "Dharm-Shashtra" ...If we take like this in astrology we will can> assume the right

forth coming events of the Native.> > Thanks,> > M.S.Bohra> > @gro ups.com, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ ...>wrote:> >> > Dear Lutherji> > I have studied in an article that the astrology is based on our> galaxy only.. But there are billions of galaxies in the universe like> our galaxy. The entire universe is effecting us. Universe is> expanding. Our galaxy has self rotation and revolving around a center> point. Exaltation points are to be recalculated and so on......> > The exaltation point in western astrology differs from vedic.. So I> have the doubt in the degree of exaltation. > > Dhanabalan> > --- On Tue, 2/17/09, Luther Rath <rathluther@ ...> wrote:> > > > Luther Rath <rathluther@ ...>> > Re: Exaltation

with reference to star strength> > @gro ups.com> > Tuesday, February 17, 2009, 11:11 AM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected Sir,> > Thank you for at least a consideration regarding Sun's exaltion in> Aswini. I was studying this issue about a year back. I could justify> for some of the planets except one or two.According to my study the> constellations need to be changed for those planets. I never wanted to> bring controversies, since I am not an authority in astrology nor I> can face many more attackes from the traditionalists.> > Thanking you. With due regards.> > Dr. Rath.> > > > > > > > > > > > Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ >> > kpsystem groups

<@ gro ups.com>> > Tuesday, February 17, 2009 11:43:23 AM> > Exaltation with reference to star strength> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lutherji> > Sun's exaltation is justified with bright stars in the sign. Like> this can you give justification for other planets also.> > Dhanabalan> >>

 

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Dear Luther ji

You are correct that Jupiter is slower than earth. But when seeing from earth, it appears (not actual) that the Jupiter is faster than earth. While travelling in a train, it appears that the trees nearby are moving in the opposite direction and the train is standstill.

Dhanabalan--- On Mon, 3/2/09, Luther Rath <rathluther wrote:

Luther Rath <rathlutherRe: Re: Exaltation with reference to star strength-att:Dr.Rath Date: Monday, March 2, 2009, 12:07 PM

 

 

 

 

Respected Dhanabalanji,

Namaskar.

It is true that when Jupiter is at180 degrees from the Sun, the Earth is in between the Sun and the Jupiter and Jupiter is nearest to Earth. But Jupiter is slower than the Earth not fast. Had it been faster it would go ahead of Earth, it would not retrograde. If 2 cars run parellel to each other the slower one appears to lag behind (retrograde) .Jupiter is slower by about 8 seconds on 10th July 2008 when Sun is in Gemini and Jupiter in Sagittarius.

 

 

 

Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ >@gro ups.comMonday, March 2, 2009 3:33:38 PMRe: Re: Exaltation with reference to star strength-att: Dr.Rath

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Luther ji

He scanned and e-mailed only the first page of that chapter. If he scanned and e-mailed the other pages, it would be beneficial for us.

Earth is at center of rasi chart. Now let us see what is retrogration.

Retrogration occurs when sun is 6,7,8 sign away from outer planets Jupiter, Saturn and Mars. Let us take Jupiter. When Jupiter is 180 degrees from Sun(earth is in betwen Sun and Jupiter), earth is closer to Jupiter. The motion of Jupiter appears to be faster than the normal. So retrogration. If Jupiter is conjoined with Sun(earth and Jupiter are either side of Sun), earth is away from Jupiter. The motion of Jupiter appears slow while seeing from earth.

Dhanabalan--- On Mon, 3/2/09, Luther Rath <rathluther > wrote:

Luther Rath <rathluther >Re: Re: Exaltation with reference to star strength-att: Dr.Rath@gro ups.comMonday, March 2, 2009, 5:35 AM

 

 

 

 

Respected Sir,

I am so grateful for explaining me the way you did. Thank you so much.

I have got nothing to say regarding the points of exaltation and debilitation of differeent planets. From the observation and experience of the Munis and Rishis and other great astrologers the points have been determined... We cannot disprove them at this level.

The only confusing point was regarding the assumtion that earth is implied to have been at 3 degrees in Makara when Jupiter transits at 3 degrees in Cancer. Supposing on the same day Venus transits at 27 degrees in Pisces, we would say that the Earth is implied to be at 27 degrees in Virgo. Saturn could occupy 20 degrees in Libra and then Earth is aspected to be at 20 degrees in Aries. How could we expect the Earth at three different places? Yes, when we observe from Jupiter or Venus or Saturn it appears to be so. But how does it help us in astrology, or in prediction ? Is there any basis to consider this apparent contradicting location of Earth on the same day? Does it in any way change our predictions? I am not clear on this pint. I shall be ever grateful to have your valuable openion.

Will you please explain why a particular planet is exalted at a particular point or particular constellation, planetwise? Of courese if time permits, Sir.

With due respect.

Dr. Rath

 

 

 

rao chitturu <csr162002 >@gro ups.comThursday, February 26, 2009 9:07:33 PMRe: Re: Exaltation with reference to star strength-att: Dr.Rath

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Shri.Luther Ji

The formula of fotuna may not be suitable for finding the place of earth - I have only expected that - So leave that formula. Howerver, I am glad for your calculations.

Coming to the place of earth on our Rasi charts -which basically geo-centric - earth is at the center - So when Jupiter is seen at cancer - earth is in between cancer and Capricorn if you take 180 degrees line from cancer –

 

Sri Dhanabalanji said that the Earth is at the center of the chart. Because our rasi charts are geo-centric – that means as seen from earth- I aso say the same..

 

The other type is Heileo-centric –where Sun is at the center – Astronomers use Heileo-centric charts.

Improvements in astronomical theories are doubtless. Development in astronomical theories cannot change the rotation of planets and relationship among them –with reference to earth or sun.

As far as astrological charts are geo-centric apparent place of earth and consequent reception of planets (jupiter in our example)-power at certain points - say exaltation or debilitation cannot change.

 

I think the whole exercise, among us has started with the chance of finding reasons for exaltation / debilitation points- - I think old astrological theories are adequate to understand these points of exaltation.

rao chitturu

 

--- On Thu, 26/2/09, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > wrote:

Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ >Re: Re: Exaltation with reference to star strength-att: Dr.Rath@gro ups.comThursday, 26 February, 2009, 10:03 AM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Luther ji

I have already discussed with many leading astrologers. All said that in rasi chart, the earth is in the centre of rasi chart. If one sees from cancer, the earth appears to be in Makara. If you accept the concept of rasi chart, you have to accept this also.I will give you evidence afterwards..

Dhanabalan--- On Thu, 2/26/09, Luther Rath <rathluther > wrote:

Luther Rath <rathluther >Re: Re: Exaltation with reference to star strength-att: Dr.Rath@gro ups.comThursday, February 26, 2009, 1:31 AM

 

 

 

 

Dear Rao Sir,

Namaskar.

Exaltation points for different planets are already defined and in no case can be denied unless otherwise prooved. I do not intend to say that Jupiter is not exalted at 3 degrees n Cancer. But on this point we cannot say that, 'it implies that our Earth is at Makara 3 degrees'.

On 29th June 2014 when Jupiter shall be at 3 degrees in Cancer, Sun transits at 74 degrees and Moon at 90 degrees (approximately) . Ascendant shall be at 78 degrees at 5-30 AM on that day. So fortuna falls at 94 degrees i.e. Cancer 4 degrees not in Makara.. This also does not suit for finding the location of the Earth.

Therefore I wanted to say an implication cannot be relied upon. Sri Dhanabalanji said that the Earth is at the center of the chart. This again implies that the Earth is at the center of the solar system. This is the theory of 2nd century. Science has changed this concept since 17th century. But astrology has laged back by 3 centuries. We cannot change over-night. It is very dfficult to alter the old science of astrology. But one should be concerned about it, else what the educated mass and the scientists say? We must find out the position of the Earth in the zodiac and the chart, sincerely.

With regards.

Dr. Rath

 

 

 

rao chitturu <csr162002 >@gro ups.comSaturday, February 21, 2009 8:29:14 AMRe: Re: Exaltation with reference to star strength-att: Dr.Rath

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Dr.Rath

Our charts in usage are Geo Centric - (i.e., as seen from earth - this was already mentioned by Mr.Dhanabalam in his mail.)

So earth is not indicated among the planets in the chart-

But the position of fortune (as shown in western charts and KP charts may indicate the place of earth among other planets.

Fotune formula: =(longitudes of Ascendent + Moon ) minus Sun.

We have calculate and seen in example charts with Jupiter in exalted posiion;

I have yet to calculate and verify.

rao chitturu--- On Thu, 19/2/09, Luther Rath <rathluther > wrote:

Luther Rath <rathluther >Re: Re: Exaltation with reference to star strength-att: Dr.Rath@gro ups.comThursday, 19 February, 2009, 7:23 PM

 

 

 

 

Dear Sir,

Evey one of us should have an open mind to honour the opinions of others. Clinching to existing concepts and closing doors for more scientific approach does not help us. The theories of revolution and rotation of earth have undergone remarkable change since about 3 centuries. But still we have stayed back. We have to adjust to changes and recent developments. No? It is becomming difficult to cope up.

Its only my feeling and not intended or pointing to any body. Its general.

With due regards.

Dr. Rath

 

 

 

rao chitturu <csr162002 >@gro ups.comThursday, February 19, 2009 11:17:45 AMRe: Re: Exaltation with reference to star strength-att: Dr.Rath

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dr.Rath sir,

I am happy you got my pont.

My intention is put before the members what information I have on the subject.

As it involves deep calculations of astronomy - I am not competent to certify / nor deny any body's openion/writings/ coments etc. - on the article I quoted- So I have humbly given the source of my information for the benefit of members.

I am happy to note that you have well received the contents-thought on them and also mentioned your openion- Only astronomers can clarify further -

rao chitturu

--- On Wed, 18/2/09, Luther Rath <rathluther > wrote:

Luther Rath <rathluther >Re: Re: Exaltation with reference to star strength@gro ups.comWednesday, 18 February, 2009, 12:00 PM

 

 

 

 

Dear Sirs,

I do not intend to say any thing against that which Rao Sir has referred to, regarding the exaltation.He has given the extract of Sloka 13, Chapter 1 of Brihat Jataka. He in fact quoted from AM of June 1991 explanined by Mr R. Krishna Murthy.

Mr Krushnamurty has explained that when Jupiter transits at 3 degrees in Cancer it is exalted.

Quotation, "From the Earth when we see Jupiter at Kataka 3, it implies that our earth is at Makara 3 as viewed from Jupiter". What I want to say is that the Earth has a definite relation with the Sun around which it revolves. Earth does not have such relationship with Jupiter as both of them are planets in solar system and both revolve around the Sun indipendently. So when Jupiter transits at Kataka 3 it does not necessarily imply that Earth is situated at Makara 3. For instance, on 29th June 2014 Jupiter transits at Kataka 3. But Earth cannot be at Makara 3. It is because on that day Sun is at Gemini 14. The Earth virtually remains at 180 degrees to Sun and therefore it is sure that Earth transits at Sagittarious 14 but not at Makara 13. Hence the explanation by Krushna Murtyji cannot be justified. It is up to the seniors to examine and comment.

With due Regards to all.

Dr. Rath

 

 

 

rao chitturu <csr162002 >@gro ups.comWednesday, February 18, 2009 10:55:30 AMRe: Re: Exaltation with reference to star strength

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

To all Members

Exaltation and debilitation theory was explained by Mr.R.Krishna Murthy in his article "Exaltation and Debilitation of planets" in A.M of June 1991 page 495...with reference to the planets rotation onn its own axis in zodiac and its exposure to the earth...

pl.see attachment for extractrao chitturu

--- On Tue, 17/2/09, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > wrote:

Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ ..com>Re: Re: Exaltation with reference to star strength@gro ups.comTuesday, 17 February, 2009, 7:53 PM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Bohraji

It is clear that the westerners did not copy the vedic exaltation. They developed their own. Being so, how the exaltation differ. Which exaltation is correct. Whether vedic or western?

Dhanabalan--- On Tue, 2/17/09, msbohra62 <msbohra62 (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote:

msbohra62 <msbohra62 (AT) (DOT) co.in> Re: Exaltation with reference to star strength@gro ups.comTuesday, February 17, 2009, 1:28 PM

 

 

Dear Dhanbalanji,Points never be different of exaltation,getting effects because oftime difference will be different as Dasa period will be differentplace to place.Universe activities are at same the time but effects getting on earthwill be different place to place.Thanks,M.S.Bohra@gro ups.com, Dhanabalan R <r..dhanabalan@ ...> wrote:>> Dear Bohraji> Thank for your reference. The exaltation point in vedic and westerndiffers.. I want to find the reason. Whether exaltation point differfrom place to place on the earth.> Dhanabalan> > --- On Tue, 2/17/09, msbohra62 <msbohra62@. ..> wrote:> > msbohra62 <msbohra62@. ..>> Re: Exaltation with reference to star strength> @gro ups.com> Tuesday, February 17, 2009, 12:23 PM> > > > > > > Dear Dhanbalanji,> > See the references of "Uttar Kalamrita" by Kalidas,where well describe> about Exaltation of planets is related to spirituality. Karattava of> planets in particular Nakhshatra exhibit maximum results so it> consider at particular point of degree as exaltation.> > In astrology spiritual and karakttava is very important because every> one have certain reason to take birth and live the life accordingly> his "Karma" in previous birth it is the concept of Indian Astrology> and all "Dharm-Shashtra" ...If we take like this in astrology we will can> assume the right forth coming events of the Native.> > Thanks,> >

M.S.Bohra> > @gro ups.com, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ ...>wrote:> >> > Dear Lutherji> > I have studied in an article that the astrology is based on our> galaxy only.. But there are billions of galaxies in the universe like> our galaxy. The entire universe is effecting us. Universe is> expanding. Our galaxy has self rotation and revolving around a center> point. Exaltation points are to be recalculated and so on.......> > The exaltation point in western astrology differs from vedic.. So I> have the doubt in the degree of exaltation. > > Dhanabalan> > --- On Tue, 2/17/09, Luther Rath <rathluther@ ...> wrote:> > > > Luther Rath <rathluther@ ...>> > Re: Exaltation with reference to star strength> > @gro

ups.com> > Tuesday, February 17, 2009, 11:11 AM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected Sir,> > Thank you for at least a consideration regarding Sun's exaltion in> Aswini. I was studying this issue about a year back. I could justify> for some of the planets except one or two.According to my study the> constellations need to be changed for those planets. I never wanted to> bring controversies, since I am not an authority in astrology nor I> can face many more attackes from the traditionalists.> > Thanking you. With due regards.> > Dr. Rath.> > > > > > > > > > > > Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ >> > kpsystem groups <@ gro ups.com>> > Tuesday, February 17,

2009 11:43:23 AM> > Exaltation with reference to star strength> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lutherji> > Sun's exaltation is justified with bright stars in the sign. Like> this can you give justification for other planets also.> > Dhanabalan> >>

 

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Thank you very much Sir, for your clerifications.

Dr. Rath

 

 

 

rao chitturu <csr162002 Sent: Monday, March 2, 2009 3:07:46 PMRe: Re: Exaltation with reference to star strength-att:Dr.Rath

 

 

 

 

 

 

Respected Luther Rath

The EARTH is always at the center in geo-centric charts. when you see from kataka 3 deg - it looks like that earth is on the makara 3 deg. because earth is in the line of 180 deg from kataka. Similarly from the exaltation points of each planets- So even when two or more planets are in exaltation - the earth is always at the center of the chart.

 

next point - why at certain points - a planet get exalted - It is because of the ecliptical shape (not a circular one) of zodiac -refer Keplar theory- and retardation of planets. At certain times the planets move away from sun and go nearer to sun - when they are nearer to sun they loose some of their power (because of suns's radiation) - when they are away they are more independent - This is one of the reasons why the planets are some times exalted with reference to earth.

 

Another aspect - Every planet exihits its influence on it's 360 degrees- But with reference to earth certain degrees are considered - It is different in different theories - So the 7th aspect for all planets and special aspects in case of Mars,Saturn and Jupiter are considered in Hindu system and angles, trines,sextile etc., are considered in western system and tajaka system etc., etc.,

Comming to the need of exaltation for predictive purpose--

For predictive purpose in astrology positional strenbgth of a planet vis -vis the strength of other planets is essential. Strength of a planet is necessary to know the quantum of benefit and the relative strength of planets- (malefic and benefic nature of a plkanet is different from its strength). This is reconed by way of Shadbala in traditional system. Exaltations are considered in traditional system - beacuse a span of 30 deg of rasi is considered- But in KP system the position of a planet on a particular degree is taken (sub-lord-star lord-sign lord) - So in KP there is no much talk of exaltations. Even if that cuspal point falls on the traditional points of exaldation - we need not switch over to exaltation - while the chart is being studied in Kp system - If anybody does it it amounts to mixing up the systems- by luck he may get good predicitons - but not always it is good to mix the systems.

Strength and relative strength of planets is a vitlal concern in predictive astrology.

I Hope I have covered the doubts raised -

rao chitturu

 

--- On Mon, 2/3/09, Luther Rath <rathluther > wrote:

Luther Rath <rathluther >Re: Re: Exaltation with reference to star strength-att: Dr.Rath@gro ups.comMonday, 2 March, 2009, 11:05 AM

 

 

 

 

Respected Sir,

I am so grateful for explaining me the way you did. Thank you so much.

I have got nothing to say regarding the points of exaltation and debilitation of differeent planets. From the observation and experience of the Munis and Rishis and other great astrologers the points have been determined.. We cannot disprove them at this level.

The only confusing point was regarding the assumtion that earth is implied to have been at 3 degrees in Makara when Jupiter transits at 3 degrees in Cancer. Supposing on the same day Venus transits at 27 degrees in Pisces, we would say that the Earth is implied to be at 27 degrees in Virgo. Saturn could occupy 20 degrees in Libra and then Earth is aspected to be at 20 degrees in Aries. How could we expect the Earth at three different places? Yes, when we observe from Jupiter or Venus or Saturn it appears to be so. But how does it help us in astrology, or in prediction ? Is there any basis to consider this apparent contradicting location of Earth on the same day? Does it in any way change our predictions? I am not clear on this pint. I shall be ever grateful to have your valuable openion.

Will you please explain why a particular planet is exalted at a particular point or particular constellation, planetwise? Of courese if time permits, Sir.

With due respect.

Dr. Rath

 

 

 

rao chitturu <csr162002 >@gro ups.comThursday, February 26, 2009 9:07:33 PMRe: Re: Exaltation with reference to star strength-att: Dr.Rath

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Shri.Luther Ji

The formula of fotuna may not be suitable for finding the place of earth - I have only expected that - So leave that formula. Howerver, I am glad for your calculations.

Coming to the place of earth on our Rasi charts -which basically geo-centric - earth is at the center - So when Jupiter is seen at cancer - earth is in between cancer and Capricorn if you take 180 degrees line from cancer –

 

Sri Dhanabalanji said that the Earth is at the center of the chart. Because our rasi charts are geo-centric – that means as seen from earth- I aso say the same.

 

 

The other type is Heileo-centric –where Sun is at the center – Astronomers use Heileo-centric charts.

Improvements in astronomical theories are doubtless. Development in astronomical theories cannot change the rotation of planets and relationship among them –with reference to earth or sun.

As far as astrological charts are geo-centric apparent place of earth and consequent reception of planets (jupiter in our example)-power at certain points - say exaltation or debilitation cannot change.

 

I think the whole exercise, among us has started with the chance of finding reasons for exaltation / debilitation points- - I think old astrological theories are adequate to understand these points of exaltation.

rao chitturu

 

--- On Thu, 26/2/09, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > wrote:

Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ >Re: Re: Exaltation with reference to star strength-att: Dr.Rath@gro ups.comThursday, 26 February, 2009, 10:03 AM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Luther ji

I have already discussed with many leading astrologers. All said that in rasi chart, the earth is in the centre of rasi chart. If one sees from cancer, the earth appears to be in Makara. If you accept the concept of rasi chart, you have to accept this also.I will give you evidence afterwards.

Dhanabalan--- On Thu, 2/26/09, Luther Rath <rathluther > wrote:

Luther Rath <rathluther >Re: Re: Exaltation with reference to star strength-att: Dr.Rath@gro ups.comThursday, February 26, 2009, 1:31 AM

 

 

 

 

Dear Rao Sir,

Namaskar.

Exaltation points for different planets are already defined and in no case can be denied unless otherwise prooved. I do not intend to say that Jupiter is not exalted at 3 degrees n Cancer. But on this point we cannot say that, 'it implies that our Earth is at Makara 3 degrees'.

On 29th June 2014 when Jupiter shall be at 3 degrees in Cancer, Sun transits at 74 degrees and Moon at 90 degrees (approximately) . Ascendant shall be at 78 degrees at 5-30 AM on that day. So fortuna falls at 94 degrees i.e. Cancer 4 degrees not in Makara.. This also does not suit for finding the location of the Earth.

Therefore I wanted to say an implication cannot be relied upon. Sri Dhanabalanji said that the Earth is at the center of the chart. This again implies that the Earth is at the center of the solar system. This is the theory of 2nd century. Science has changed this concept since 17th century. But astrology has laged back by 3 centuries. We cannot change over-night. It is very dfficult to alter the old science of astrology. But one should be concerned about it, else what the educated mass and the scientists say? We must find out the position of the Earth in the zodiac and the chart, sincerely.

With regards.

Dr. Rath

 

 

 

rao chitturu <csr162002 >@gro ups.comSaturday, February 21, 2009 8:29:14 AMRe: Re: Exaltation with reference to star strength-att: Dr.Rath

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Dr.Rath

Our charts in usage are Geo Centric - (i.e., as seen from earth - this was already mentioned by Mr.Dhanabalam in his mail.)

So earth is not indicated among the planets in the chart-

But the position of fortune (as shown in western charts and KP charts may indicate the place of earth among other planets.

Fotune formula: =(longitudes of Ascendent + Moon ) minus Sun.

We have calculate and seen in example charts with Jupiter in exalted posiion;

I have yet to calculate and verify.

rao chitturu--- On Thu, 19/2/09, Luther Rath <rathluther > wrote:

Luther Rath <rathluther >Re: Re: Exaltation with reference to star strength-att: Dr.Rath@gro ups.comThursday, 19 February, 2009, 7:23 PM

 

 

 

 

Dear Sir,

Evey one of us should have an open mind to honour the opinions of others. Clinching to existing concepts and closing doors for more scientific approach does not help us. The theories of revolution and rotation of earth have undergone remarkable change since about 3 centuries. But still we have stayed back. We have to adjust to changes and recent developments. No? It is becomming difficult to cope up.

Its only my feeling and not intended or pointing to any body. Its general.

With due regards.

Dr. Rath

 

 

 

rao chitturu <csr162002 >@gro ups.comThursday, February 19, 2009 11:17:45 AMRe: Re: Exaltation with reference to star strength-att: Dr.Rath

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dr.Rath sir,

I am happy you got my pont.

My intention is put before the members what information I have on the subject.

As it involves deep calculations of astronomy - I am not competent to certify / nor deny any body's openion/writings/ coments etc. - on the article I quoted- So I have humbly given the source of my information for the benefit of members.

I am happy to note that you have well received the contents-thought on them and also mentioned your openion- Only astronomers can clarify further -

rao chitturu

--- On Wed, 18/2/09, Luther Rath <rathluther > wrote:

Luther Rath <rathluther >Re: Re: Exaltation with reference to star strength@gro ups.comWednesday, 18 February, 2009, 12:00 PM

 

 

 

 

Dear Sirs,

I do not intend to say any thing against that which Rao Sir has referred to, regarding the exaltation.He has given the extract of Sloka 13, Chapter 1 of Brihat Jataka. He in fact quoted from AM of June 1991 explanined by Mr R. Krishna Murthy.

Mr Krushnamurty has explained that when Jupiter transits at 3 degrees in Cancer it is exalted.

Quotation, "From the Earth when we see Jupiter at Kataka 3, it implies that our earth is at Makara 3 as viewed from Jupiter". What I want to say is that the Earth has a definite relation with the Sun around which it revolves. Earth does not have such relationship with Jupiter as both of them are planets in solar system and both revolve around the Sun indipendently. So when Jupiter transits at Kataka 3 it does not necessarily imply that Earth is situated at Makara 3. For instance, on 29th June 2014 Jupiter transits at Kataka 3. But Earth cannot be at Makara 3. It is because on that day Sun is at Gemini 14. The Earth virtually remains at 180 degrees to Sun and therefore it is sure that Earth transits at Sagittarious 14 but not at Makara 13. Hence the explanation by Krushna Murtyji cannot be justified. It is up to the seniors to examine and comment.

With due Regards to all.

Dr. Rath

 

 

 

rao chitturu <csr162002 >@gro ups.comWednesday, February 18, 2009 10:55:30 AMRe: Re: Exaltation with reference to star strength

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

To all Members

Exaltation and debilitation theory was explained by Mr.R.Krishna Murthy in his article "Exaltation and Debilitation of planets" in A.M of June 1991 page 495...with reference to the planets rotation onn its own axis in zodiac and its exposure to the earth...

pl.see attachment for extractrao chitturu

--- On Tue, 17/2/09, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > wrote:

Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ ..com>Re: Re: Exaltation with reference to star strength@gro ups.comTuesday, 17 February, 2009, 7:53 PM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Bohraji

It is clear that the westerners did not copy the vedic exaltation. They developed their own. Being so, how the exaltation differ. Which exaltation is correct. Whether vedic or western?

Dhanabalan--- On Tue, 2/17/09, msbohra62 <msbohra62 (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote:

msbohra62 <msbohra62 (AT) (DOT) co.in> Re: Exaltation with reference to star strength@gro ups.comTuesday, February 17, 2009, 1:28 PM

 

 

Dear Dhanbalanji,Points never be different of exaltation,getting effects because oftime difference will be different as Dasa period will be differentplace to place.Universe activities are at same the time but effects getting on earthwill be different place to place.Thanks,M.S.Bohra@gro ups.com, Dhanabalan R <r..dhanabalan@ ...> wrote:>> Dear Bohraji> Thank for your reference. The exaltation point in vedic and westerndiffers.. I want to find the reason. Whether exaltation point differfrom place to place on the earth.> Dhanabalan> > --- On Tue, 2/17/09, msbohra62 <msbohra62@. ..> wrote:> > msbohra62 <msbohra62@. ..>> Re: Exaltation with

reference to star strength> @gro ups.com> Tuesday, February 17, 2009, 12:23 PM> > > > > > > Dear Dhanbalanji,> > See the references of "Uttar Kalamrita" by Kalidas,where well describe> about Exaltation of planets is related to spirituality. Karattava of> planets in particular Nakhshatra exhibit maximum results so it> consider at particular point of degree as exaltation.> > In astrology spiritual and karakttava is very important because every> one have certain reason to take birth and live the life accordingly> his "Karma" in previous birth it is the concept of Indian Astrology> and all "Dharm-Shashtra" ...If we take like this in astrology we will can> assume the right

forth coming events of the Native.> > Thanks,> > M.S.Bohra> > @gro ups.com, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ ...>wrote:> >> > Dear Lutherji> > I have studied in an article that the astrology is based on our> galaxy only.. But there are billions of galaxies in the universe like> our galaxy. The entire universe is effecting us. Universe is> expanding. Our galaxy has self rotation and revolving around a center> point. Exaltation points are to be recalculated and so on......> > The exaltation point in western astrology differs from vedic.. So I> have the doubt in the degree of exaltation. > > Dhanabalan> > --- On Tue, 2/17/09, Luther Rath <rathluther@ ...> wrote:> > > > Luther Rath <rathluther@ ...>> > Re: Exaltation

with reference to star strength> > @gro ups.com> > Tuesday, February 17, 2009, 11:11 AM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected Sir,> > Thank you for at least a consideration regarding Sun's exaltion in> Aswini. I was studying this issue about a year back. I could justify> for some of the planets except one or two.According to my study the> constellations need to be changed for those planets. I never wanted to> bring controversies, since I am not an authority in astrology nor I> can face many more attackes from the traditionalists.> > Thanking you. With due regards.> > Dr. Rath.> > > > > > > > > > > > Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ >> > kpsystem groups

<@ gro ups.com>> > Tuesday, February 17, 2009 11:43:23 AM> > Exaltation with reference to star strength> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lutherji> > Sun's exaltation is justified with bright stars in the sign. Like> this can you give justification for other planets also.> > Dhanabalan> >>

 

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