Cuspal Displacement & Intercepted Signs

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Dear VSN ji,

 

I am a member of KPAF Forum, Hyderabad, headed by Sri Rajendra Nimje, IAS., recently conducted in the 2nd week of Dec. 2008 KP International Summit 2008 wherein it was undertaken to come out with 4 Research concept papers basing on atleast 50 practical natal charts.

 

These topics are 1. Role Badhaka Lord (apart from Longevity) in affecting the houses to which it is connected. 2. Subsub Theory - MST of Dr. K.R. Kar and its efficacy in correct tob natal charts and horary charts wherein 1-2193 nos. used. It is brought that the role of subsub lord of any cusp thru its F1 and F3 established the fructification of house results either way. 3. Role of Retro Planets as envisaged by Sri MP Shanmugam in sublord speaks vol. 3nos. 4. Second Marriage Rules. 5. Watch Predictive Techiniques

 

In this summit the members were felt to take up the new areas such as Sahams in KP as envisaged by Sri Vijay KUmar of Bangalore.

 

Secondly Cuspal Interception (which some classify as Cuspal Displacement as per Sri TAP Rao's Article in KPAF Souvenir of 2007.)

 

In normal distribution every Rasi would get one cusp but in some cases where the birth time is near/end of cusp in Placidius House division two cusps may fall in one Rasi and consequently another Rasi may not get a Cusp. Thus in all the 12 signs the Cuspal Interception is possible and I have gathered such practical charts (who are my clients visited during last 10 years maintained in my data base in which I know many of the events of the life).

 

Cuspal interception gives a new picture of the natal chart that Some Rasis are empty without cusps and some Rasis would get two cusps. In this case empty house portfolio and two cusps Rasi portfolio (Like Saturn who is the only planet who gets two partfolios consecutively in Zodiac for any Ascendant) has to be determined as per KP.

 

In these charts I found the peculiarity that either the cusp may go anticlockwise to the previous rasi (e.g. Mesha lagna II cusp in Taurus and III also in Taurus which is anticlockwise);

 

where the cusp goes in Clockwise (eg. Sagi Laga 1 cusp Sagi, 2 cusp in Aqua 3 in Pisc)in both cases Cuspal Interception is there. In these collection I could not get the Charts which are of Leo Ascendant. I require from the Members of this group to contribute if such charts are with them to me (by giving the imp life events also).

 

Now coming to the important Rule which we have to frame after thorough research on atlest 50-100 natal charts this cuspal interception.

 

In normal distribution of cusps KP gives wonderful predictions but when coming to cuspal interception we have to modify some of the rules for giving accurate predictions.

 

In one example of Libra Asc. the Lagna sublord is Sun (who normally is bhadhaka lord of Libra Moveable) but in this chart the native was born in Deharadoon and the cusp of 11 is in Virgo instead of Leo. Hence the native is enjoying long life now crossed 75 years still with good health. Here the cuspal interception saved him.

 

During Anticlock direction cusp shifting would loose its bhava qualities by shifting the cusp to its 12th Rasi, in Clock wise direction the Cusp shifts to next Rasi which is encouraging. Now in cuspal interceptions the 12th cusp shifts to 11 Rasi where 12 looses its negative qualities and gives labha results only but abroad opportunities were not afforded to the native.

 

In placidius houses division for higher latitudes two houses may fall in one Rasi/ I am not aware that even 3 cusps may fall in one Rasi, as said by Sri Dhanabalan, Sri Vaikari Ramamurthy, I request Sri Tinwin ji who is the encyclopedia on many tough matters with full references to through light on this subject.

 

Now I request the KP Stalwarts of this Forum to through light on this grey area in identifying new rules about this matter. I have seen in the Role of Bhadhaka where it shifts to previous Rasi in anticlock and next Rasi in clockwise has totally lost its negative qualities becaz of its connection with Lagna Lord in Kalachakra (e.g Taurus Lagna 9th cusp in Sagi along with 8th favours the native as Bhadhaka got negative house 8 which is 12th to 9th; Mesha lagna 12 in Khumbha and 11th in Makara deprives bhadhaka propensity of the Saturn)/

 

Regards,

 

O.V.N.MURTHY,M.Com.FCS.,COMPANY SECRETARY,NIZAM SUGARS LIMITED,HYDERABAD-A.P.PH.NO.23232212 / CELL NO.9441778427

 

 

 

, Luther Rath <rathluther wrote:>> Dear Murthyji,> Will you please elaborate a bit more what you actualy want to know. I too want to learn it.> Thanking you.> Dr. Rath> > > > > ________________________________> satyanarayana murthy <vsnm_vdl> punitp Cc: K_p_Systems > Tuesday, February 10, 2009 11:29:58 PM> Fw: Cuspal Displacement & Intercepted Signs> > > > > --- On Tue, 10/2/09, satyanarayana murthy <vsnm_vdl (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote:> > satyanarayana murthy <vsnm_vdl (AT) (DOT) co.in>> Cuspal Displacement & Intercepted Signs> "K_p_Systems" <@gro ups.com>> Tuesday, 10 February, 2009, 8:29 PM> > > Respected Members ,> Namaskarams to all of you.> As I wish to know more about the cuspal displacement and intercepted signs, can any body help me . Plese.> with best regards,> Yours faithfully, > VSN. Murthy. > ________________________________> Did you know? You can CHAT without downloading messenger. Click here > > ________________________________> Get rid of Add-Ons in your email ID. Get yourname@rocketmail .com. Sign up now!>

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, " OVN Murthy M.Com.FCS \(Gmail\) "

<ovnmurthy wrote:

> " In placidius houses division for higher latitudes two houses may

fall in one Rasi/ I am not aware that even 3 cusps may fall in one

Rasi, as said by Sri Dhanabalan, Sri Vaikari Ramamurthy, I request

Sri Tinwin ji who is the encyclopedia on many tough matters with full

references to through light on this subject. "

 

Dear Sir

 

I can answer your above question with one example. My relative was

born in Fairbank, Alaska whose birth details are: DOB-5,Oct.1949,

TOB: 7.19 PM, POB: Fairbanks,Alaska (USA), 147W43; 64N40, Time

Zone:10 hour West S.T. You will find in this chart 3 houses each in

Gemini and in Sag, 2 each in Cancer and Capricorn and 1 each in

Virgo and Pisces . I do not have any example from India. When I was

in Canada for sometime I have seen a few horocopes from North Canada

with placement of 3 cusps in one Rasi. I found it tough to analyse

such horoscopes from KP angle and simply adopted sign based system.

That is the reason I raised a question on this in another thread in

this forum last week.

 

Regards

 

Srinivasan Kannan

 

> Dear VSN ji,

>

> I am a member of KPAF Forum, Hyderabad, headed by Sri Rajendra

Nimje, IAS., recently conducted in the 2nd week of Dec. 2008 KP

International Summit 2008 wherein it was undertaken to come out with

4 Research concept papers basing on atleast 50 practical natal

charts.

>

> These topics are

> 1. Role Badhaka Lord (apart from Longevity) in affecting the houses

to which it is connected.

> 2. Subsub Theory - MST of Dr. K.R. Kar and its efficacy in correct

tob natal charts and horary charts wherein 1-2193 nos. used. It is

brought that the role of subsub lord of any cusp thru its F1 and F3

established the fructification of house results either way.

> 3. Role of Retro Planets as envisaged by Sri MP Shanmugam in

sublord speaks vol. 3nos.

> 4. Second Marriage Rules.

> 5. Watch Predictive Techiniques

>

> In this summit the members were felt to take up the new areas such

as Sahams in KP as envisaged by Sri Vijay KUmar of Bangalore.

>

> Secondly Cuspal Interception (which some classify as Cuspal

Displacement as per Sri TAP Rao's Article in KPAF Souvenir of 2007.)

>

> In normal distribution every Rasi would get one cusp but in some

cases where the birth time is near/end of cusp in Placidius House

division two cusps may fall in one Rasi and consequently another Rasi

may not get a Cusp. Thus in all the 12 signs the Cuspal Interception

is possible and I have gathered such practical charts (who are my

clients visited during last 10 years maintained in my data base in

which I know many of the events of the life).

>

> Cuspal interception gives a new picture of the natal chart that

Some Rasis are empty without cusps and some Rasis would get two

cusps. In this case empty house portfolio and two cusps Rasi

portfolio (Like Saturn who is the only planet who gets two partfolios

consecutively in Zodiac for any Ascendant) has to be determined as

per KP.

>

> In these charts I found the peculiarity that either the cusp may go

anticlockwise to the previous rasi (e.g. Mesha lagna II cusp in

Taurus and III also in Taurus which is anticlockwise);

>

> where the cusp goes in Clockwise (eg. Sagi Laga 1 cusp Sagi, 2 cusp

in Aqua 3 in Pisc)in both cases Cuspal Interception is there. In

these collection I could not get the Charts which are of Leo

Ascendant. I require from the Members of this group to contribute if

such charts are with them to me (by giving the imp life events also).

>

> Now coming to the important Rule which we have to frame after

thorough research on atlest 50-100 natal charts this cuspal

interception.

>

> In normal distribution of cusps KP gives wonderful predictions but

when coming to cuspal interception we have to modify some of the

rules for giving accurate predictions.

>

> In one example of Libra Asc. the Lagna sublord is Sun (who normally

is bhadhaka lord of Libra Moveable) but in this chart the native was

born in Deharadoon and the cusp of 11 is in Virgo instead of Leo.

Hence the native is enjoying long life now crossed 75 years still

with good health. Here the cuspal interception saved him.

>

> During Anticlock direction cusp shifting would loose its bhava

qualities by shifting the cusp to its 12th Rasi, in Clock wise

direction the Cusp shifts to next Rasi which is encouraging. Now in

cuspal interceptions the 12th cusp shifts to 11 Rasi where 12 looses

its negative qualities and gives labha results only but abroad

opportunities were not afforded to the native.

>

> In placidius houses division for higher latitudes two houses may

fall in one Rasi/ I am not aware that even 3 cusps may fall in one

Rasi, as said by Sri Dhanabalan, Sri Vaikari Ramamurthy, I request

Sri Tinwin ji who is the encyclopedia on many tough matters with full

references to through light on this subject.

>

> Now I request the KP Stalwarts of this Forum to through light on

this grey area in identifying new rules about this matter. I have

seen in the Role of Bhadhaka where it shifts to previous Rasi in

anticlock and next Rasi in clockwise has totally lost its negative

qualities becaz of its connection with Lagna Lord in Kalachakra (e.g

Taurus Lagna 9th cusp in Sagi along with 8th favours the native as

Bhadhaka got negative house 8 which is 12th to 9th; Mesha lagna 12 in

Khumbha and 11th in Makara deprives bhadhaka propensity of the

Saturn)/

>

>

> Regards,

>

> O.V.N.MURTHY,M.Com.FCS.,

> COMPANY SECRETARY,

> NIZAM SUGARS LIMITED,

> HYDERABAD-A.P.

> PH.NO.23232212 / CELL NO.9441778427

>

>

>

>

> , Luther Rath <rathluther@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Murthyji,

> > Will you please elaborate a bit more what you actualy want to

know. I too want to learn it.

> > Thanking you.

> > Dr. Rath

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ________________________________

> > satyanarayana murthy <vsnm_vdl@>

> > punitp@

> > Cc: K_p_Systems

> > Tuesday, February 10, 2009 11:29:58 PM

> > Fw: Cuspal Displacement & Intercepted Signs

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > --- On Tue, 10/2/09, satyanarayana murthy <vsnm_vdl (AT) (DOT) co.in>

wrote:

> >

> > satyanarayana murthy <vsnm_vdl (AT) (DOT) co.in>

> > Cuspal Displacement & Intercepted Signs

> > " K_p_Systems " <@gro ups.com>

> > Tuesday, 10 February, 2009, 8:29 PM

> >

> >

> > Respected Members ,

> > Namaskarams to all of you.

> > As I wish to know more about the cuspal displacement and

intercepted signs, can any body help me . Plese.

> > with best regards,

> > Yours faithfully,

> > VSN. Murthy.

> > ________________________________

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here

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Dear Kannan

Four cusps in one sign.

Longitude : 78E12.00

Latitude : 65N00.00

Time : 06:18: 9.547

Time Zone: +05.30

Sidereal Time: 015°45'34.207

Ayanamsa : 023°53'39"

Date : 16/02/2009 Monday

Cuspal Positions

Cusp Sign Degree SGL STL SL SSL SSSL

I Sco 26°58'41" Ma Me Ju Ke Me

II Aqu 25°47'26" Sa Ju Ke Ke Mo

III Ari 16°34'09" Ma Ve Mo Ju Sa

IV Tau 04°43'59" Ve Su Sa Ra Ve

V Tau 14°39'20" Ve Mo Ju Me Sa

VI Tau 21°28'27" Ve Mo Ve Ra Ve

VII Tau 26°58'41" Ve Ma Ju Ke Me

VIII Leo 25°47'26" Su Ve Me Sa Ma

IX Lib 16°34'09" Ve Ra Ve Ju Mo

X Sco 04°43'59" Ma Sa Sa Ma Ra

XI Sco 14°39'20" Ma Sa Ra Mo Ju

XII Sco 21°28'27" Ma Me Ve Ke Ma

Dhanabalan--- On Sun, 2/15/09, srinivasankannan77 <srinivasankannan77 wrote:

srinivasankannan77 <srinivasankannan77 Re: Cuspal Displacement & Intercepted Signs Date: Sunday, February 15, 2009, 4:26 PM

 

 

@gro ups.com, "OVN Murthy M.Com.FCS \(Gmail\)" <ovnmurthy@. ..> wrote:>"In placidius houses division for higher latitudes two houses may fall in one Rasi/ I am not aware that even 3 cusps may fall in one Rasi, as said by Sri Dhanabalan, Sri Vaikari Ramamurthy, I request Sri Tinwin ji who is the encyclopedia on many tough matters with full references to through light on this subject." Dear SirI can answer your above question with one example. My relative was born in Fairbank, Alaska whose birth details are: DOB-5,Oct.1949, TOB: 7.19 PM, POB: Fairbanks,Alaska (USA), 147W43; 64N40, Time Zone:10 hour West S.T. You will find in this chart 3 houses each in Gemini and in Sag, 2 each in Cancer and Capricorn and 1 each in Virgo and Pisces . I do not have any example from India. When I was

in Canada for sometime I have seen a few horocopes from North Canada with placement of 3 cusps in one Rasi. I found it tough to analyse such horoscopes from KP angle and simply adopted sign based system. That is the reason I raised a question on this in another thread in this forum last week. RegardsSrinivasan Kannan> Dear VSN ji,> > I am a member of KPAF Forum, Hyderabad, headed by Sri Rajendra Nimje, IAS., recently conducted in the 2nd week of Dec. 2008 KP International Summit 2008 wherein it was undertaken to come out with 4 Research concept papers basing on atleast 50 practical natal charts. > > These topics are > 1. Role Badhaka Lord (apart from Longevity) in affecting the houses to which it is connected. > 2. Subsub Theory - MST of Dr. K.R. Kar and its efficacy in correct tob natal charts and horary charts wherein 1-2193 nos. used. It

is brought that the role of subsub lord of any cusp thru its F1 and F3 established the fructification of house results either way. > 3.. Role of Retro Planets as envisaged by Sri MP Shanmugam in sublord speaks vol. 3nos. > 4. Second Marriage Rules. > 5. Watch Predictive Techiniques> > In this summit the members were felt to take up the new areas such as Sahams in KP as envisaged by Sri Vijay KUmar of Bangalore. > > Secondly Cuspal Interception (which some classify as Cuspal Displacement as per Sri TAP Rao's Article in KPAF Souvenir of 2007.) > > In normal distribution every Rasi would get one cusp but in some cases where the birth time is near/end of cusp in Placidius House division two cusps may fall in one Rasi and consequently another Rasi may not get a Cusp. Thus in all the 12 signs the Cuspal Interception is possible and I have gathered such practical

charts (who are my clients visited during last 10 years maintained in my data base in which I know many of the events of the life).> > Cuspal interception gives a new picture of the natal chart that Some Rasis are empty without cusps and some Rasis would get two cusps. In this case empty house portfolio and two cusps Rasi portfolio (Like Saturn who is the only planet who gets two partfolios consecutively in Zodiac for any Ascendant) has to be determined as per KP.> > In these charts I found the peculiarity that either the cusp may go anticlockwise to the previous rasi (e.g. Mesha lagna II cusp in Taurus and III also in Taurus which is anticlockwise) ; > > where the cusp goes in Clockwise (eg. Sagi Laga 1 cusp Sagi, 2 cusp in Aqua 3 in Pisc)in both cases Cuspal Interception is there. In these collection I could not get the Charts which are of Leo Ascendant. I

require from the Members of this group to contribute if such charts are with them to me (by giving the imp life events also).> > Now coming to the important Rule which we have to frame after thorough research on atlest 50-100 natal charts this cuspal interception.> > In normal distribution of cusps KP gives wonderful predictions but when coming to cuspal interception we have to modify some of the rules for giving accurate predictions. > > In one example of Libra Asc. the Lagna sublord is Sun (who normally is bhadhaka lord of Libra Moveable) but in this chart the native was born in Deharadoon and the cusp of 11 is in Virgo instead of Leo. Hence the native is enjoying long life now crossed 75 years still with good health. Here the cuspal interception saved him.> > During Anticlock direction cusp shifting would loose its bhava qualities by shifting the cusp to

its 12th Rasi, in Clock wise direction the Cusp shifts to next Rasi which is encouraging. Now in cuspal interceptions the 12th cusp shifts to 11 Rasi where 12 looses its negative qualities and gives labha results only but abroad opportunities were not afforded to the native. > > In placidius houses division for higher latitudes two houses may fall in one Rasi/ I am not aware that even 3 cusps may fall in one Rasi, as said by Sri Dhanabalan, Sri Vaikari Ramamurthy, I request Sri Tinwin ji who is the encyclopedia on many tough matters with full references to through light on this subject. > > Now I request the KP Stalwarts of this Forum to through light on this grey area in identifying new rules about this matter. I have seen in the Role of Bhadhaka where it shifts to previous Rasi in anticlock and next Rasi in clockwise has totally lost its negative qualities becaz of its

connection with Lagna Lord in Kalachakra (e.g Taurus Lagna 9th cusp in Sagi along with 8th favours the native as Bhadhaka got negative house 8 which is 12th to 9th; Mesha lagna 12 in Khumbha and 11th in Makara deprives bhadhaka propensity of the Saturn)/> > > Regards,> > O.V.N.MURTHY, M.Com.FCS. ,> COMPANY SECRETARY,> NIZAM SUGARS LIMITED,> HYDERABAD-A. P.> PH.NO.23232212 / CELL NO.9441778427> > > > > @gro ups.com, Luther Rath <rathluther@ > wrote:> >> > Dear Murthyji,> > Will you please elaborate a bit more what you actualy want to know. I too want to learn it.> > Thanking you.> > Dr. Rath> > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________

_________ __> > satyanarayana murthy <vsnm_vdl@>> > punitp@> > Cc: K_p_Systems <@gro ups.com>> > Tuesday, February 10, 2009 11:29:58 PM> > Fw: Cuspal Displacement & Intercepted Signs> > > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 10/2/09, satyanarayana murthy <vsnm_vdl (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote:> > > > satyanarayana murthy <vsnm_vdl (AT) (DOT) co.in>> > Cuspal Displacement & Intercepted Signs> > "K_p_Systems" <@ gro ups.com>> > Tuesday, 10 February, 2009, 8:29 PM> > > > > > Respected Members ,> > Namaskarams to all of you.> > As I wish to know more about the cuspal

displacement and intercepted signs, can any body help me . Plese.> > with best regards,> > Yours faithfully, > > VSN. Murthy. > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > Did you know? You can CHAT without downloading messenger. Click here > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > Get rid of Add-Ons in your email ID. Get yourname@rocketmail .com. Sign up now!> >>

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Dear Murthy ji,

1. When it was mentioned "It will be more interesting for

the charts with four intercepted

signs (in the `sidereal' Placidus houses), like the 27-52 (KP Ayanamsa) Scorpio

arising Cheiro, 28-39 Sagittarius rising Queen Elizabeth II, 11-43 Taurus

rising PM Tony Blair and 29-39 Scorpio rising Catherine Zeta-Jones." in Msg#860

of this Group, it was said "There is no such thing as "interception" etc.,

in K.P." in Msg#861. What is "Intercepted?" is explained in "Handbook on

Astrology" by K. Hariharan, 1998, p 8.

 

2. In Msg#2005, Tony Blair Charts with 4 intercepted signs

and Greta Garbo with 3 cusp in one sign are mentioned. The similar type of

chart is Catherine Zeta Jones' as discussed in the astrodatabank forum given by

the links below.

http://www.astrodatabank.com/NM/BlairTony.htm

http://www.astrodatabank.com/NM/ZetaJonesCatherine.htm

 

3. For those who are interested to study their charts the

Timelines are provided as follows:

 

Tony Blair

29-03-1980 (Rah/Moo/Sat/Ven) marriage

19-01-1984 (Jup/Jup/Rah/Mer) son Euan born

06-12-1985 (Jup/Sat/Mar/Mer) son Nicky born

02-03-1988 (Jup/Mer/Rah/Mer) daughter Kathryn born

01-05-1997 (Jup/Rah/Ven/Mar) became PM

20-05-2000 (Sat/Sat/Rah/Sat) youngest son Leo born

07-06-2001 (Sat/Mer/Mer/Sat) won general election & reelcted for PM

19-10-2003 (Sat/Ket/Ket/Ket) hospitalised for irregular heartbeat

01-10-2004 (Sat/Ket/Mer/Ven) hospitalised for heart flutter; purchase of a house for 3.5 mln pound

05-05-2005 (Sa/Ve/Ve/Me) won general election & reelcted for PM

27-06-2007 (Sa/Ve/Me) resigned from PM post

 

Greta Garbo

21-04-1926 (Mar/Ven/Ven) 2nd elder sister died

1927 (Mar/Moo) changed her mind to marry at the last moment

of the church ceremony (unmarried)

1931 (Rah/Jup) became a millionaire

1937 (Rah/Mer/Jup) & 1939 (Rah/Ven/Ven) was nominated

for Oscar

30-03-1955 (Jup/Ven/Rah) honorary Oscar awarded

1967 (Sat/Mer/Rah) eldest sister died

15-04-1990 (Mer/Mar/Sat) her death

 

Catherine Zeta-Jones

1996 (Mer/Rah) moved to Hollywood

from London

08-08-200 (Mer/Sat/Mer) a son was born

18-11-200 (Mer/Sat/Mer) marriage to a rich actor Michael

Douglas

23-03-2003 (Ket/Ket/Mer) Oscar Academy

award for best supporting actress

 

4. Pl check whether the examples

in Msg#22863 in response to ""When we talk about the Maraka or Badhaka, it

`should be only' the Rasi and `not not' the Bava." are correctly quoted.

 

5. Those charts with

intercepted signs make confusion not only in deciding Badhaka, Maraka but also

in application of Hindu aspects in KP.

 

6. Some more charts as said by Sri Dhanabalan, Sri Vaikari Ramamurthy may be

presented later for discussion.

 

7. BTW could you send me a

copy of your Badhaka study published in Astrovision.

 

Thanks and regards,

 

tw

, "srinivasankannan77" <srinivasankannan77 wrote:>> , "OVN Murthy M.Com.FCS \(Gmail\)" > ovnmurthy@ wrote:> >"In placidius houses division for higher latitudes two houses may > fall in one Rasi/ I am not aware that even 3 cusps may fall in one > Rasi, as said by Sri Dhanabalan, Sri Vaikari Ramamurthy, I request > Sri Tinwin ji who is the encyclopedia on many tough matters with full > references to through light on this subject." > > Dear Sir> > I can answer your above question with one example. My relative was > born in Fairbank, Alaska whose birth details are: DOB-5,Oct.1949, > TOB: 7.19 PM, POB: Fairbanks,Alaska (USA), 147W43; 64N40, Time > Zone:10 hour West S.T. You will find in this chart 3 houses each in > Gemini and in Sag, 2 each in Cancer and Capricorn and 1 each in > Virgo and Pisces . I do not have any example from India. When I was > in Canada for sometime I have seen a few horocopes from North Canada > with placement of 3 cusps in one Rasi. I found it tough to analyse > such horoscopes from KP angle and simply adopted sign based system. > That is the reason I raised a question on this in another thread in > this forum last week. > > Regards> > Srinivasan Kannan> > > Dear VSN ji,> > > > I am a member of KPAF Forum, Hyderabad, headed by Sri Rajendra > Nimje, IAS., recently conducted in the 2nd week of Dec. 2008 KP > International Summit 2008 wherein it was undertaken to come out with > 4 Research concept papers basing on atleast 50 practical natal > charts. > > > > These topics are > > 1. Role Badhaka Lord (apart from Longevity) in affecting the houses > to which it is connected. > > 2. Subsub Theory - MST of Dr. K.R. Kar and its efficacy in correct > tob natal charts and horary charts wherein 1-2193 nos. used. It is > brought that the role of subsub lord of any cusp thru its F1 and F3 > established the fructification of house results either way. > > 3. Role of Retro Planets as envisaged by Sri MP Shanmugam in > sublord speaks vol. 3nos. > > 4. Second Marriage Rules. > > 5. Watch Predictive Techiniques> > > > In this summit the members were felt to take up the new areas such > as Sahams in KP as envisaged by Sri Vijay KUmar of Bangalore. > > > > Secondly Cuspal Interception (which some classify as Cuspal > Displacement as per Sri TAP Rao's Article in KPAF Souvenir of 2007.) > > > > In normal distribution every Rasi would get one cusp but in some > cases where the birth time is near/end of cusp in Placidius House > division two cusps may fall in one Rasi and consequently another Rasi > may not get a Cusp. Thus in all the 12 signs the Cuspal Interception > is possible and I have gathered such practical charts (who are my > clients visited during last 10 years maintained in my data base in > which I know many of the events of the life).> > > > Cuspal interception gives a new picture of the natal chart that > Some Rasis are empty without cusps and some Rasis would get two > cusps. In this case empty house portfolio and two cusps Rasi > portfolio (Like Saturn who is the only planet who gets two partfolios > consecutively in Zodiac for any Ascendant) has to be determined as > per KP.> > > > In these charts I found the peculiarity that either the cusp may go > anticlockwise to the previous rasi (e.g. Mesha lagna II cusp in > Taurus and III also in Taurus which is anticlockwise); > > > > where the cusp goes in Clockwise (eg. Sagi Laga 1 cusp Sagi, 2 cusp > in Aqua 3 in Pisc)in both cases Cuspal Interception is there. In > these collection I could not get the Charts which are of Leo > Ascendant. I require from the Members of this group to contribute if > such charts are with them to me (by giving the imp life events also).> > > > Now coming to the important Rule which we have to frame after > thorough research on atlest 50-100 natal charts this cuspal > interception.> > > > In normal distribution of cusps KP gives wonderful predictions but > when coming to cuspal interception we have to modify some of the > rules for giving accurate predictions. > > > > In one example of Libra Asc. the Lagna sublord is Sun (who normally > is bhadhaka lord of Libra Moveable) but in this chart the native was > born in Deharadoon and the cusp of 11 is in Virgo instead of Leo. > Hence the native is enjoying long life now crossed 75 years still > with good health. Here the cuspal interception saved him.> > > > During Anticlock direction cusp shifting would loose its bhava > qualities by shifting the cusp to its 12th Rasi, in Clock wise > direction the Cusp shifts to next Rasi which is encouraging. Now in > cuspal interceptions the 12th cusp shifts to 11 Rasi where 12 looses > its negative qualities and gives labha results only but abroad > opportunities were not afforded to the native. > > > > In placidius houses division for higher latitudes two houses may > fall in one Rasi/ I am not aware that even 3 cusps may fall in one > Rasi, as said by Sri Dhanabalan, Sri Vaikari Ramamurthy, I request > Sri Tinwin ji who is the encyclopedia on many tough matters with full > references to through light on this subject. > > > > Now I request the KP Stalwarts of this Forum to through light on > this grey area in identifying new rules about this matter. I have > seen in the Role of Bhadhaka where it shifts to previous Rasi in > anticlock and next Rasi in clockwise has totally lost its negative > qualities becaz of its connection with Lagna Lord in Kalachakra (e.g > Taurus Lagna 9th cusp in Sagi along with 8th favours the native as > Bhadhaka got negative house 8 which is 12th to 9th; Mesha lagna 12 in > Khumbha and 11th in Makara deprives bhadhaka propensity of the > Saturn)/> > > > > > Regards,> > > > O.V.N.MURTHY,M.Com.FCS.,> > COMPANY SECRETARY,> > NIZAM SUGARS LIMITED,> > HYDERABAD-A.P.> > PH.NO.23232212 / CELL NO.9441778427> > > > > > > > > > , Luther Rath <rathluther@> wrote:> > >> > > Dear Murthyji,> > > Will you please elaborate a bit more what you actualy want to > know. I too want to learn it.> > > Thanking you.> > > Dr. Rath> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________> > > satyanarayana murthy <vsnm_vdl@>> > > punitp@> > > Cc: K_p_Systems > > > Tuesday, February 10, 2009 11:29:58 PM> > > Fw: Cuspal Displacement & Intercepted Signs> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 10/2/09, satyanarayana murthy vsnm_vdl (AT) (DOT) co.in> > wrote:> > > > > > satyanarayana murthy vsnm_vdl (AT) (DOT) co.in>> > > Cuspal Displacement & Intercepted Signs> > > "K_p_Systems" @gro ups.com>> > > Tuesday, 10 February, 2009, 8:29 PM> > > > > > > > > Respected Members ,> > > Namaskarams to all of you.> > > As I wish to know more about the cuspal displacement and > intercepted signs, can any body help me . Plese.> > > with best regards,> > > Yours faithfully, > > > VSN. Murthy. > > > ________________________________> > > Did you know? You can CHAT without downloading messenger. Click > here > > > > > > ________________________________> > > Get rid of Add-Ons in your email ID. Get > yourname@rocketmail .com. Sign up now!> > >> >>

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, " tw853 " <tw853 wrote:

>Dear Sirs

 

OK, we can show any no of charts beyond the high latitude,with 3 or 4

houses in one rasi, but what about the anlysis. You cannot apply

Placidus house system as the size of the cusps will be too distorted

for any meaningful analysis.That leaves only sign based judgemant for

a small section of people. There are many children today born in

extreme north and working elsewhere as adults in various jobs and

well settled. How are you going to handle these charts, wth a

diffrent method ??. If you call astrology a divine science it should

be applicable to all people of the world uniformly. Perhaps our

traditional astrology has foreseen this problem of house system and

stopped at using the Divisional charts for analysis and

interpretation.

 

Experts views will be appreciaated.

 

Regards

Srinivasan Kannan

> Dear Murthy ji,

>

>

> 1. When it was mentioned " It will be more interesting for the charts

> with four intercepted

> signs (in the `sidereal' Placidus houses), like the 27-52 (KP

Ayanamsa)

> Scorpio arising Cheiro, 28-39 Sagittarius rising Queen Elizabeth II,

> 11-43 Taurus rising PM Tony Blair and 29-39 Scorpio rising Catherine

> Zeta-Jones. " in Msg#860 of this Group, it was said " There is no

> such thing as " interception " etc., in K.P. " in Msg#861. What is

> " Intercepted? " is explained in " Handbook on Astrology "

> by K. Hariharan, 1998, p 8.

>

>

>

> 2. In Msg#2005, Tony Blair Charts with 4 intercepted signs and Greta

> Garbo with 3 cusp in one sign are mentioned. The similar type of

chart

> is Catherine Zeta Jones' as discussed in the astrodatabank forum

> given by the links below.

>

> http://www.astrodatabank.com/NM/BlairTony.htm

> <http://www.astrodatabank.com/NM/BlairTony.htm>

>

> http://www.astrodatabank.com/NM/ZetaJonesCatherine.htm

> <http://www.astrodatabank.com/NM/ZetaJonesCatherine.htm>

>

>

>

> 3. For those who are interested to study their charts the Timelines

are

> provided as follows:

>

>

>

> Tony Blair

> 29-03-1980 (Rah/Moo/Sat/Ven) marriage

> 19-01-1984 (Jup/Jup/Rah/Mer) son Euan born

> 06-12-1985 (Jup/Sat/Mar/Mer) son Nicky born

> 02-03-1988 (Jup/Mer/Rah/Mer) daughter Kathryn born

> 01-05-1997 (Jup/Rah/Ven/Mar) became PM

> 20-05-2000 (Sat/Sat/Rah/Sat) youngest son Leo born

> 07-06-2001 (Sat/Mer/Mer/Sat) won general election & reelcted for PM

> 19-10-2003 (Sat/Ket/Ket/Ket) hospitalised for irregular heartbeat

> 01-10-2004 (Sat/Ket/Mer/Ven) hospitalised for heart flutter;

purchase

> of a house for 3.5 mln pound

> 05-05-2005 (Sa/Ve/Ve/Me) won general election & reelcted for PM

>

> 27-06-2007 (Sa/Ve/Me) resigned from PM post

>

>

>

> Greta Garbo

>

> 21-04-1926 (Mar/Ven/Ven) 2nd elder sister died

>

> 1927 (Mar/Moo) changed her mind to marry at the last moment of the

> church ceremony (unmarried)

>

> 1931 (Rah/Jup) became a millionaire

>

> 1937 (Rah/Mer/Jup) & 1939 (Rah/Ven/Ven) was nominated for Oscar

>

> 30-03-1955 (Jup/Ven/Rah) honorary Oscar awarded

>

> 1967 (Sat/Mer/Rah) eldest sister died

>

> 15-04-1990 (Mer/Mar/Sat) her death

>

>

>

> Catherine Zeta-Jones

>

> 1996 (Mer/Rah) moved to Hollywood from London

>

> 08-08-200 (Mer/Sat/Mer) a son was born

>

> 18-11-200 (Mer/Sat/Mer) marriage to a rich actor Michael Douglas

>

> 23-03-2003 (Ket/Ket/Mer) Oscar Academy award for best supporting

actress

>

>

>

> 4. Pl check whether the examples in Msg#22863 in response to " " When

> we talk about the Maraka or Badhaka, it `should be only' the

> Rasi and `not not' the Bava. " are correctly quoted.

>

>

>

> 5. Those charts with intercepted signs make confusion not only in

> deciding Badhaka, Maraka but also in application of Hindu aspects

in KP.

>

>

>

> 6. Some more charts as said by Sri Dhanabalan, Sri Vaikari

Ramamurthy

> may be presented later for discussion.

>

>

>

> 7. BTW could you send me a copy of your Badhaka study published in

> Astrovision.

>

>

>

> Thanks and regards,

>

>

>

> tw

>

>

> , " srinivasankannan77 "

> <srinivasankannan77@> wrote:

> >

> > , " OVN Murthy M.Com.FCS

\(Gmail\) "

> > ovnmurthy@ wrote:

> > > " In placidius houses division for higher latitudes two houses may

> > fall in one Rasi/ I am not aware that even 3 cusps may fall in one

> > Rasi, as said by Sri Dhanabalan, Sri Vaikari Ramamurthy, I request

> > Sri Tinwin ji who is the encyclopedia on many tough matters with

full

> > references to through light on this subject. "

> >

> > Dear Sir

> >

> > I can answer your above question with one example. My relative was

> > born in Fairbank, Alaska whose birth details are: DOB-5,Oct.1949,

> > TOB: 7.19 PM, POB: Fairbanks,Alaska (USA), 147W43; 64N40, Time

> > Zone:10 hour West S.T. You will find in this chart 3 houses each

in

> > Gemini and in Sag, 2 each in Cancer and Capricorn and 1 each in

> > Virgo and Pisces . I do not have any example from India. When I

was

> > in Canada for sometime I have seen a few horocopes from North

Canada

> > with placement of 3 cusps in one Rasi. I found it tough to analyse

> > such horoscopes from KP angle and simply adopted sign based

system.

> > That is the reason I raised a question on this in another thread

in

> > this forum last week.

> >

> > Regards

> >

> > Srinivasan Kannan

> >

> > > Dear VSN ji,

> > >

> > > I am a member of KPAF Forum, Hyderabad, headed by Sri Rajendra

> > Nimje, IAS., recently conducted in the 2nd week of Dec. 2008 KP

> > International Summit 2008 wherein it was undertaken to come out

with

> > 4 Research concept papers basing on atleast 50 practical natal

> > charts.

> > >

> > > These topics are

> > > 1. Role Badhaka Lord (apart from Longevity) in affecting the

houses

> > to which it is connected.

> > > 2. Subsub Theory - MST of Dr. K.R. Kar and its efficacy in

correct

> > tob natal charts and horary charts wherein 1-2193 nos. used. It

is

> > brought that the role of subsub lord of any cusp thru its F1 and

F3

> > established the fructification of house results either way.

> > > 3. Role of Retro Planets as envisaged by Sri MP Shanmugam in

> > sublord speaks vol. 3nos.

> > > 4. Second Marriage Rules.

> > > 5. Watch Predictive Techiniques

> > >

> > > In this summit the members were felt to take up the new areas

such

> > as Sahams in KP as envisaged by Sri Vijay KUmar of Bangalore.

> > >

> > > Secondly Cuspal Interception (which some classify as Cuspal

> > Displacement as per Sri TAP Rao's Article in KPAF Souvenir of

2007.)

> > >

> > > In normal distribution every Rasi would get one cusp but in some

> > cases where the birth time is near/end of cusp in Placidius House

> > division two cusps may fall in one Rasi and consequently another

Rasi

> > may not get a Cusp. Thus in all the 12 signs the Cuspal

Interception

> > is possible and I have gathered such practical charts (who are my

> > clients visited during last 10 years maintained in my data base in

> > which I know many of the events of the life).

> > >

> > > Cuspal interception gives a new picture of the natal chart that

> > Some Rasis are empty without cusps and some Rasis would get two

> > cusps. In this case empty house portfolio and two cusps Rasi

> > portfolio (Like Saturn who is the only planet who gets two

partfolios

> > consecutively in Zodiac for any Ascendant) has to be determined as

> > per KP.

> > >

> > > In these charts I found the peculiarity that either the cusp

may go

> > anticlockwise to the previous rasi (e.g. Mesha lagna II cusp in

> > Taurus and III also in Taurus which is anticlockwise);

> > >

> > > where the cusp goes in Clockwise (eg. Sagi Laga 1 cusp Sagi, 2

cusp

> > in Aqua 3 in Pisc)in both cases Cuspal Interception is there. In

> > these collection I could not get the Charts which are of Leo

> > Ascendant. I require from the Members of this group to contribute

if

> > such charts are with them to me (by giving the imp life events

also).

> > >

> > > Now coming to the important Rule which we have to frame after

> > thorough research on atlest 50-100 natal charts this cuspal

> > interception.

> > >

> > > In normal distribution of cusps KP gives wonderful predictions

but

> > when coming to cuspal interception we have to modify some of the

> > rules for giving accurate predictions.

> > >

> > > In one example of Libra Asc. the Lagna sublord is Sun (who

normally

> > is bhadhaka lord of Libra Moveable) but in this chart the native

was

> > born in Deharadoon and the cusp of 11 is in Virgo instead of Leo.

> > Hence the native is enjoying long life now crossed 75 years still

> > with good health. Here the cuspal interception saved him.

> > >

> > > During Anticlock direction cusp shifting would loose its bhava

> > qualities by shifting the cusp to its 12th Rasi, in Clock wise

> > direction the Cusp shifts to next Rasi which is encouraging. Now

in

> > cuspal interceptions the 12th cusp shifts to 11 Rasi where 12

looses

> > its negative qualities and gives labha results only but abroad

> > opportunities were not afforded to the native.

> > >

> > > In placidius houses division for higher latitudes two houses may

> > fall in one Rasi/ I am not aware that even 3 cusps may fall in one

> > Rasi, as said by Sri Dhanabalan, Sri Vaikari Ramamurthy, I request

> > Sri Tinwin ji who is the encyclopedia on many tough matters with

full

> > references to through light on this subject.

> > >

> > > Now I request the KP Stalwarts of this Forum to through light on

> > this grey area in identifying new rules about this matter. I have

> > seen in the Role of Bhadhaka where it shifts to previous Rasi in

> > anticlock and next Rasi in clockwise has totally lost its negative

> > qualities becaz of its connection with Lagna Lord in Kalachakra

(e.g

> > Taurus Lagna 9th cusp in Sagi along with 8th favours the native as

> > Bhadhaka got negative house 8 which is 12th to 9th; Mesha lagna

12 in

> > Khumbha and 11th in Makara deprives bhadhaka propensity of the

> > Saturn)/

> > >

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > >

> > > O.V.N.MURTHY,M.Com.FCS.,

> > > COMPANY SECRETARY,

> > > NIZAM SUGARS LIMITED,

> > > HYDERABAD-A.P.

> > > PH.NO.23232212 / CELL NO.9441778427

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > , Luther Rath <rathluther@>

wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Murthyji,

> > > > Will you please elaborate a bit more what you actualy want to

> > know. I too want to learn it.

> > > > Thanking you.

> > > > Dr. Rath

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ________________________________

> > > > satyanarayana murthy <vsnm_vdl@>

> > > > punitp@

> > > > Cc: K_p_Systems

> > > > Tuesday, February 10, 2009 11:29:58 PM

> > > > Fw: Cuspal Displacement & Intercepted

Signs

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > --- On Tue, 10/2/09, satyanarayana murthy vsnm_vdl (AT) (DOT)

co.in>

> > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > satyanarayana murthy vsnm_vdl (AT) (DOT) co.in>

> > > > Cuspal Displacement & Intercepted Signs

> > > > " K_p_Systems " @gro ups.com>

> > > > Tuesday, 10 February, 2009, 8:29 PM

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Respected Members ,

> > > > Namaskarams to all of you.

> > > > As I wish to know more about the cuspal displacement and

> > intercepted signs, can any body help me . Plese.

> > > > with best regards,

> > > > Yours faithfully,

> > > > VSN. Murthy.

> > > > ________________________________

> > > > Did you know? You can CHAT without downloading messenger.

Click

> > here

> > > >

> > > > ________________________________

> > > > Get rid of Add-Ons in your email ID. Get

> > yourname@rocketmail .com. Sign up now!

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Friends,

 

1. Perhaps three issues are mixed up in the application of Placidus

house system, i.e. 1) polar charts, 2) charts with 2 to 4 intercepted

signs placing 2 to 4 cusps in one sign, and 3) whether Badhaka and

Maraka are Rasi based or Bhava based.

 

2. We need to look at each issue separately. Generally the KP rules

are found to be the same.

 

3. Regarding the polar charts, there are two views. As the system be

applicable anywhere on Earth, Placidus is unsatisfactory, for example,

at 70 N it is possible to have some houses spread across 3 or 4 signs

while others are only 2-3 degree wide. The other accepts the

shortcomings, as Davison has said, you can play many good tunes on a

piano whose top is defective; hence Placidus is satisfactory.

 

4. If one has a client out of about one million people living in polar

regions, the Topocentric house system seems to provide a solution.

 

Regards,

 

tw

, " srinivasankannan77 "

<srinivasankannan77 wrote:

>

> , " tw853 " <tw853@> wrote:

> >Dear Sirs

>

> OK, we can show any no of charts beyond the high latitude,with 3 or 4

> houses in one rasi, but what about the anlysis. You cannot apply

> Placidus house system as the size of the cusps will be too distorted

> for any meaningful analysis.That leaves only sign based judgemant for

> a small section of people. There are many children today born in

> extreme north and working elsewhere as adults in various jobs and

> well settled. How are you going to handle these charts, wth a

> diffrent method ??. If you call astrology a divine science it should

> be applicable to all people of the world uniformly. Perhaps our

> traditional astrology has foreseen this problem of house system and

> stopped at using the Divisional charts for analysis and

> interpretation.

>

> Experts views will be appreciaated.

>

> Regards

> Srinivasan Kannan

> > Dear Murthy ji,

> >

> >

> > 1. When it was mentioned " It will be more interesting for the charts

> > with four intercepted

> > signs (in the `sidereal' Placidus houses), like the 27-52 (KP

> Ayanamsa)

> > Scorpio arising Cheiro, 28-39 Sagittarius rising Queen Elizabeth II,

> > 11-43 Taurus rising PM Tony Blair and 29-39 Scorpio rising Catherine

> > Zeta-Jones. " in Msg#860 of this Group, it was said " There is no

> > such thing as " interception " etc., in K.P. " in Msg#861. What is

> > " Intercepted? " is explained in " Handbook on Astrology "

> > by K. Hariharan, 1998, p 8.

> >

> >

> >

> > 2. In Msg#2005, Tony Blair Charts with 4 intercepted signs and Greta

> > Garbo with 3 cusp in one sign are mentioned. The similar type of

> chart

> > is Catherine Zeta Jones' as discussed in the astrodatabank forum

> > given by the links below.

> >

> > http://www.astrodatabank.com/NM/BlairTony.htm

> > <http://www.astrodatabank.com/NM/BlairTony.htm>

> >

> > http://www.astrodatabank.com/NM/ZetaJonesCatherine.htm

> > <http://www.astrodatabank.com/NM/ZetaJonesCatherine.htm>

> >

> >

> >

> > 3. For those who are interested to study their charts the Timelines

> are

> > provided as follows:

> >

> >

> >

> > Tony Blair

> > 29-03-1980 (Rah/Moo/Sat/Ven) marriage

> > 19-01-1984 (Jup/Jup/Rah/Mer) son Euan born

> > 06-12-1985 (Jup/Sat/Mar/Mer) son Nicky born

> > 02-03-1988 (Jup/Mer/Rah/Mer) daughter Kathryn born

> > 01-05-1997 (Jup/Rah/Ven/Mar) became PM

> > 20-05-2000 (Sat/Sat/Rah/Sat) youngest son Leo born

> > 07-06-2001 (Sat/Mer/Mer/Sat) won general election & reelcted for PM

> > 19-10-2003 (Sat/Ket/Ket/Ket) hospitalised for irregular heartbeat

> > 01-10-2004 (Sat/Ket/Mer/Ven) hospitalised for heart flutter;

> purchase

> > of a house for 3.5 mln pound

> > 05-05-2005 (Sa/Ve/Ve/Me) won general election & reelcted for PM

> >

> > 27-06-2007 (Sa/Ve/Me) resigned from PM post

> >

> >

> >

> > Greta Garbo

> >

> > 21-04-1926 (Mar/Ven/Ven) 2nd elder sister died

> >

> > 1927 (Mar/Moo) changed her mind to marry at the last moment of the

> > church ceremony (unmarried)

> >

> > 1931 (Rah/Jup) became a millionaire

> >

> > 1937 (Rah/Mer/Jup) & 1939 (Rah/Ven/Ven) was nominated for Oscar

> >

> > 30-03-1955 (Jup/Ven/Rah) honorary Oscar awarded

> >

> > 1967 (Sat/Mer/Rah) eldest sister died

> >

> > 15-04-1990 (Mer/Mar/Sat) her death

> >

> >

> >

> > Catherine Zeta-Jones

> >

> > 1996 (Mer/Rah) moved to Hollywood from London

> >

> > 08-08-200 (Mer/Sat/Mer) a son was born

> >

> > 18-11-200 (Mer/Sat/Mer) marriage to a rich actor Michael Douglas

> >

> > 23-03-2003 (Ket/Ket/Mer) Oscar Academy award for best supporting

> actress

> >

> >

> >

> > 4. Pl check whether the examples in Msg#22863 in response to " " When

> > we talk about the Maraka or Badhaka, it `should be only' the

> > Rasi and `not not' the Bava. " are correctly quoted.

> >

> >

> >

> > 5. Those charts with intercepted signs make confusion not only in

> > deciding Badhaka, Maraka but also in application of Hindu aspects

> in KP.

> >

> >

> >

> > 6. Some more charts as said by Sri Dhanabalan, Sri Vaikari

> Ramamurthy

> > may be presented later for discussion.

> >

> >

> >

> > 7. BTW could you send me a copy of your Badhaka study published in

> > Astrovision.

> >

> >

> >

> > Thanks and regards,

> >

> >

> >

> > tw

> >

> >

> > , " srinivasankannan77 "

> > <srinivasankannan77@> wrote:

> > >

> > > , " OVN Murthy M.Com.FCS

> \(Gmail\) "

> > > ovnmurthy@ wrote:

> > > > " In placidius houses division for higher latitudes two houses may

> > > fall in one Rasi/ I am not aware that even 3 cusps may fall in one

> > > Rasi, as said by Sri Dhanabalan, Sri Vaikari Ramamurthy, I request

> > > Sri Tinwin ji who is the encyclopedia on many tough matters with

> full

> > > references to through light on this subject. "

> > >

> > > Dear Sir

> > >

> > > I can answer your above question with one example. My relative was

> > > born in Fairbank, Alaska whose birth details are: DOB-5,Oct.1949,

> > > TOB: 7.19 PM, POB: Fairbanks,Alaska (USA), 147W43; 64N40, Time

> > > Zone:10 hour West S.T. You will find in this chart 3 houses each

> in

> > > Gemini and in Sag, 2 each in Cancer and Capricorn and 1 each in

> > > Virgo and Pisces . I do not have any example from India. When I

> was

> > > in Canada for sometime I have seen a few horocopes from North

> Canada

> > > with placement of 3 cusps in one Rasi. I found it tough to analyse

> > > such horoscopes from KP angle and simply adopted sign based

> system.

> > > That is the reason I raised a question on this in another thread

> in

> > > this forum last week.

> > >

> > > Regards

> > >

> > > Srinivasan Kannan

> > >

> > > > Dear VSN ji,

> > > >

> > > > I am a member of KPAF Forum, Hyderabad, headed by Sri Rajendra

> > > Nimje, IAS., recently conducted in the 2nd week of Dec. 2008 KP

> > > International Summit 2008 wherein it was undertaken to come out

> with

> > > 4 Research concept papers basing on atleast 50 practical natal

> > > charts.

> > > >

> > > > These topics are

> > > > 1. Role Badhaka Lord (apart from Longevity) in affecting the

> houses

> > > to which it is connected.

> > > > 2. Subsub Theory - MST of Dr. K.R. Kar and its efficacy in

> correct

> > > tob natal charts and horary charts wherein 1-2193 nos. used. It

> is

> > > brought that the role of subsub lord of any cusp thru its F1 and

> F3

> > > established the fructification of house results either way.

> > > > 3. Role of Retro Planets as envisaged by Sri MP Shanmugam in

> > > sublord speaks vol. 3nos.

> > > > 4. Second Marriage Rules.

> > > > 5. Watch Predictive Techiniques

> > > >

> > > > In this summit the members were felt to take up the new areas

> such

> > > as Sahams in KP as envisaged by Sri Vijay KUmar of Bangalore.

> > > >

> > > > Secondly Cuspal Interception (which some classify as Cuspal

> > > Displacement as per Sri TAP Rao's Article in KPAF Souvenir of

> 2007.)

> > > >

> > > > In normal distribution every Rasi would get one cusp but in some

> > > cases where the birth time is near/end of cusp in Placidius House

> > > division two cusps may fall in one Rasi and consequently another

> Rasi

> > > may not get a Cusp. Thus in all the 12 signs the Cuspal

> Interception

> > > is possible and I have gathered such practical charts (who are my

> > > clients visited during last 10 years maintained in my data base in

> > > which I know many of the events of the life).

> > > >

> > > > Cuspal interception gives a new picture of the natal chart that

> > > Some Rasis are empty without cusps and some Rasis would get two

> > > cusps. In this case empty house portfolio and two cusps Rasi

> > > portfolio (Like Saturn who is the only planet who gets two

> partfolios

> > > consecutively in Zodiac for any Ascendant) has to be determined as

> > > per KP.

> > > >

> > > > In these charts I found the peculiarity that either the cusp

> may go

> > > anticlockwise to the previous rasi (e.g. Mesha lagna II cusp in

> > > Taurus and III also in Taurus which is anticlockwise);

> > > >

> > > > where the cusp goes in Clockwise (eg. Sagi Laga 1 cusp Sagi, 2

> cusp

> > > in Aqua 3 in Pisc)in both cases Cuspal Interception is there. In

> > > these collection I could not get the Charts which are of Leo

> > > Ascendant. I require from the Members of this group to contribute

> if

> > > such charts are with them to me (by giving the imp life events

> also).

> > > >

> > > > Now coming to the important Rule which we have to frame after

> > > thorough research on atlest 50-100 natal charts this cuspal

> > > interception.

> > > >

> > > > In normal distribution of cusps KP gives wonderful predictions

> but

> > > when coming to cuspal interception we have to modify some of the

> > > rules for giving accurate predictions.

> > > >

> > > > In one example of Libra Asc. the Lagna sublord is Sun (who

> normally

> > > is bhadhaka lord of Libra Moveable) but in this chart the native

> was

> > > born in Deharadoon and the cusp of 11 is in Virgo instead of Leo.

> > > Hence the native is enjoying long life now crossed 75 years still

> > > with good health. Here the cuspal interception saved him.

> > > >

> > > > During Anticlock direction cusp shifting would loose its bhava

> > > qualities by shifting the cusp to its 12th Rasi, in Clock wise

> > > direction the Cusp shifts to next Rasi which is encouraging. Now

> in

> > > cuspal interceptions the 12th cusp shifts to 11 Rasi where 12

> looses

> > > its negative qualities and gives labha results only but abroad

> > > opportunities were not afforded to the native.

> > > >

> > > > In placidius houses division for higher latitudes two houses may

> > > fall in one Rasi/ I am not aware that even 3 cusps may fall in one

> > > Rasi, as said by Sri Dhanabalan, Sri Vaikari Ramamurthy, I request

> > > Sri Tinwin ji who is the encyclopedia on many tough matters with

> full

> > > references to through light on this subject.

> > > >

> > > > Now I request the KP Stalwarts of this Forum to through light on

> > > this grey area in identifying new rules about this matter. I have

> > > seen in the Role of Bhadhaka where it shifts to previous Rasi in

> > > anticlock and next Rasi in clockwise has totally lost its negative

> > > qualities becaz of its connection with Lagna Lord in Kalachakra

> (e.g

> > > Taurus Lagna 9th cusp in Sagi along with 8th favours the native as

> > > Bhadhaka got negative house 8 which is 12th to 9th; Mesha lagna

> 12 in

> > > Khumbha and 11th in Makara deprives bhadhaka propensity of the

> > > Saturn)/

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Regards,

> > > >

> > > > O.V.N.MURTHY,M.Com.FCS.,

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> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > , Luther Rath <rathluther@>

> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Murthyji,

> > > > > Will you please elaborate a bit more what you actualy want to

> > > know. I too want to learn it.

> > > > > Thanking you.

> > > > > Dr. Rath

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > ________________________________

> > > > > satyanarayana murthy <vsnm_vdl@>

> > > > > punitp@

> > > > > Cc: K_p_Systems

> > > > > Tuesday, February 10, 2009 11:29:58 PM

> > > > > Fw: Cuspal Displacement & Intercepted

> Signs

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > --- On Tue, 10/2/09, satyanarayana murthy vsnm_vdl (AT) (DOT)

> co.in>

> > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > satyanarayana murthy vsnm_vdl (AT) (DOT) co.in>

> > > > > Cuspal Displacement & Intercepted Signs

> > > > > " K_p_Systems " @gro ups.com>

> > > > > Tuesday, 10 February, 2009, 8:29 PM

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Respected Members ,

> > > > > Namaskarams to all of you.

> > > > > As I wish to know more about the cuspal displacement and

> > > intercepted signs, can any body help me . Plese.

> > > > > with best regards,

> > > > > Yours faithfully,

> > > > > VSN. Murthy.

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